assassination

[humble verge]

i havent even opened my vault yet

ive been up since 9am

gamba

NAH WTF IS DAT TRINKET DAWN

IMMA KMS

WHAR MY FORG

[sharp trellis]

Hi all, i am looking for good plater profile recommendation . i use Cev's one but i find that once there is more than 5 target it start to be hard to see what happens , the nameplate keep overlap to each others. m+ focus

[red schooner]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[red schooner]

May be worth checking these out

[sharp trellis]

guess where i found ceverion one in the first place

[viscid spear]

One of those ex-girlfriend sites?

https://tenor.com/view/its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-mac-rob-mcelhenney-which-one-there-are-so-many-gif-26569501

[midnight scroll]

got a whole lotta work to do

[old lily]

when simming bleed build in dungeon slice is there any changes that need to be made to the sim to account for when simming prism? or is it just plop it in and press sim

[spice surge]

No just sim

[old lily]

ty

just wanted to check since apparently you should do something when simming locks

[marsh fjord]

I picked mythic shoulders on vault thinking they were tier. im doing normal omega and i was like why is my tier set not working. was it just non tier mythic shoulders and i had 3p equipped lol

[solar wyvern]

Oop

Got BiS sub shoulders now tho

!

[marsh fjord]

who you?

[solar wyvern]

U

[marsh fjord]

I dont play sub bro

fuck that 😄

[solar wyvern]

U got loom shoulders didnt u

[marsh fjord]

was just in my vault i turned it into tier 😄

[solar wyvern]

Hehe

[marsh fjord]

Sub you need a degree

im to stupid for that

[ocean quiver]

I have a ring already crafted at 720, simmed another ring to see if it would be better, sims higher, as the mythic ring in the raid from first boss and araz everyone needs, so chances of me getting is slim, worth just crafting a 2nd ring?

[solar wyvern]

There is quite a bit of sweaty stuff for sub this tier lmao

[marsh fjord]

I just want to press mutilate envenom keep bleeds up

and im happy

[solar wyvern]

2 crafted rings is fine esp on prog and no plexus reclear

[ocean quiver]

We are clearing plexus every week, ring has not dropped once, but everyone in the guild needs it

so chances of me getting it is quite slim to begin wtih

[solar wyvern]

Probably a craft angle

[marsh fjord]

Ring is quite rare

[viscid spear]

I was sure we were getting a charge this week because I needed 4pc on Lock, thankfully I got Hero-track tier for my desired slot in Vault.

[oak tangle]

Raid was a success tonight

[ocean quiver]

@solar wyvern just simmed it too,

0.5% increase for max 723 ring

crafted 720 is 1.1%

crafted it is

[ripe sphinx]

it’s like so easy

you just need to manage ur cds properly

that’s the learning curve ig

[marsh fjord]

Yeah no thank you 😄

[oak tangle]

yeah it's not too hard

i managed to pick it up well enough for an orange parse on H dim

and i'm sin main

[vestal wren]

ye, subtlety is easy

just don't make mistakes and you do good dps

and we all know, making mistakes is nothing people do in wow, right

[oak tangle]

i don't wanna smack talk sub channel, but they do say you gotta be perfect and not use certain macros etc

but you really can simplify things with macros

and its fine

[wanton spear]

is there a setting on raidbots that needs to be changed, havn't been able to run a sim for like 2 days

[vestal wren]

na, macroing is fine when learning, when optimizing you might want to stop using certain ones

i was also a bit joking above, while its true that mistakes are bad, doing your 90 sec cooldowns correct opts for the majority of the damage. Means if you don't fuck that up, you are good.

[ocean quiver]

Does anyone know how to sim 2 crafted rings together? I'm unable to do it as it's trying to replace my current crafted ring that I have right now, treats it as 1 ring rather than 2 seperate ones

[vestal wren]

you can switch the simc version to latest, but there isn't much else you need to do

[vestal wren]

you can press "lock" to lock down a slot before simming, raidbots won't replace it then

[ocean quiver]

sweet thank you

[mortal crystal]

!restealth

!stealth

Halp

[oak tangle]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[mortal crystal]

Thanks

[wanton spear]

i keep getting network error anytime i try to run the sim

[vestal wren]

sounds like a isp problem, you can either try to see if its a dns issue by changing your dns to a public one like 1.1.1.1 or 8.8.8.8

or ask for support in the raidbots discord

[wanton spear]

aright, i'll give it a shot, it was working fine until this yesterday.

[oak tangle]

oh i didnt mean in relation to your comment, more that i use a macro to just put symbols on my sectec button and that would be blasphemy

[coral jasper]

Do we have some haste and mastery cap that we want for raid?

[golden loom]

nope

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[coral jasper]

K im kinda lowish on haste but its fine i gues

Tyy

[left nacelle]

Netherprism question. Should I always use netherprism with deathmark or wait till it’s fully stacked (= every second cd window)?

[brisk forge]

Algari Mana Oil or wheatstone for m+?

[tranquil jungle]

with DS u always want to use deathmark with prisme but with fatebound u ll use it 1/2 to setup your prisme with vanish

[tranquil jungle]

algari

[ancient ingot]

holy shittest vault, what can i do with this shit?

[oak tangle]

myth dagger

is an upgrade

almost for sure

[warm vortex]

“Shittest vault “

looks inside

Upgrade

https://tenor.com/view/cat-look-cat-look-at-camera-silly-cat-in-a-cage-gif-889392959852579879

[oak tangle]

3 ilvls on your mainhand weapon will be abotu as good as you can hope

[warm vortex]

I took tokens this morning

With 1 myth raid slot and 3 mythic dungeon slots

[ancient ingot]

should i up with crest dagger or just wait another one?

[oak tangle]

what do you mean wait anothero ne?

are you doing loom on mythic?

[ancient ingot]

with good stats

[ancient ingot]

no im learning game and heroic player)

[oak tangle]

brother, the only stat that matters is weapon ilvl

[warm vortex]

For reference

This was mine
This morning

[oak tangle]

i can't say anythin i got hero antenna

[static glacier]

3 mh ilvls and 16 oh ilvls is pretty good no?

[ancient ingot]

and should i max his lvl this dagger? ?

[oak tangle]

for sure

weapon dps is the highest scaling modifier for our damage

i wont get you to do it, cause stat weights omegalul, but the main hand weapon dps stat is something liek 10x as strong as any secondary

it's one of the reasons why rogues do so well week 1 of raid, comparitively we get so much benefit from crafting a 720 weapon before all the casters / 2h users

[warm vortex]

Forge/neck/neck/ring no good?

[royal lantern]

probs will be one of the necks

still sucks

rocking a normal atenna man

oh and normal shity raid boots

[red schooner]

I stole your antenna sorry

[spice spire]

Kill the witch

[dense cedar]

how many have u destroyed now?

[red schooner]

....2

I've not opened my vault today

[dense cedar]

oo

3 for 3 time

[red schooner]

SO WE COULD GET A THIRD

[red schooner]

I think if I get antenna again and don't pick it I'm getting gkicked

[ancient ingot]

guys if dont have boe belt on auc, i should just wait when someone will add him or how can i found him?

[main bridge]

Do mythic raid

[dense cedar]

why do u want a boe belt?

[coral ibex]

he was talking about it yesterday

he wants a 1% dps increase

[oak tangle]

i dont got boots yet

[dense cedar]

i don't think you'd even get a 1% increase

a 6/6 belt is barely better rn

[coral ibex]

he showed a sim that it was 1%

[dense cedar]

is he using charged bolts?

[coral ibex]

idk

[oak tangle]

if you want a 1% dps increase

send me the gold for the belt boe

[coral ibex]

i didn't really engage beyond "1% dps is not worth 1 million gold"

[oak tangle]

and i'll do a log review

[coral ibex]

i wouldn't pay 1 mil for 10% dps increase

[red schooner]

I'm still questioning if the perma augment rune was worth the 100k

[shy heron]

Disc belt punches way above its weight class so it'll probably be my last crafted slot

[red schooner]

It hurt me to buy

[oak tangle]

it amy just consist of "yeah you held dm for 3 seconds here, dont do that"

[fathom lintel]

Hey, I got hc antena from vault but sims shows that M Lily and M Prism are better. Should I just go double on use on fatebound then?

[coral ibex]

runes are ~1600g on my realm atm so

you'd break even after 63 uses

[oak tangle]

you dont wanna use 2 on use with sin

[thick bough]

BOE belt price going to go 2x once turbo boost nerf hits

[red schooner]

I never used runes anyhow

[coral ibex]

assuming you'd have used 63 runes

i have nothing to spend gold on so i just buy runes

[red schooner]

I'd have used none

[coral ibex]

and i cba to grind rep

[fallow canopy]

I used the dragonflight infinite rune until this patch so that thing is gonna get a long mileage

[dense cedar]

thing should be a toy

[red schooner]

I didn't really grind it I'm just a weekly content enjoyer between raids

[oak tangle]

it would be okay if buying it once bought it for all alts

[dense cedar]

stupid thing can only be for 1 toon

[red schooner]

So I hit 18 just from doing weekly things

[shy heron]

I would definitely buy it if warbound

[coral ibex]

same

[shy heron]

Or 50k

100k is just too much

[red schooner]

It sells for 20k so its only 80k technically

[fathom lintel]

oke then can you explain why please?

[coral ibex]

i’ve already used more than enough runes for it to have been worth

i just don’t do weeklies

my rep is like level 8

[red schooner]

I aint buying it on my alt

Fuck that

[coral ibex]

it is wild that it’s not war bound or a toy

[oak tangle]

i mean you are only considering it for the 3 min prism, but it means that lily is sitting there doing fuck all for 2x it'scd

[red schooner]

The day I have to main feral/guardian is the day I unsub

[fathom lintel]

that's fair

[oak tangle]

passive trinkets do ALOT during downtimes, but also during your on use trinkets

[jolly stirrup]

Got lucky and had weapon in Vault today

[oak tangle]

so your prism will hit harder with antenna

[fathom lintel]

oke thx for the answer 🙂

[oak tangle]

the double on use is more of a sub thing and in keys

like sub in keys is whati meant

[royal lantern]

NONE OF THE NECKS SIMS HIGHER THEN MY HEROIC NECK

[jolly stirrup]

I was hoping for Dawnbreaker weapon, but ill take it

[oak tangle]

i am a degenerate i know

[dense cedar]

mage...

[buoyant pilot]

LOCKDOWN. NOW. STEALTH TO HQ.

(how much would we creep towards the middle if they fixed all our damage related bugs?)

[fallen moss]

21d since last pin. Dark times

[royal lantern]

not really at all?

[coral ibex]

why are we looking at all damage logs

[royal lantern]

do you think assa is losing 5% raid dmg because singular focus doesnt work with spatter rn lol

when you literally dont even play deathstalker for 6 out of 8 fights

[main bridge]

Reddit

[oak tangle]

but the singular focus bug is 30% of my frac damage /s

[main bridge]

They see Reddit post and don’t put any more thought into it

Just straight to discord, post lockdown nonsense

[oak tangle]

either that, or they tryna bait us, but the don't realise we were born in the bait and moulded by it

[spice surge]

In raid most of the bugs are actually positive, so further down

[quaint spindle]

Time to doompost

[royal lantern]

like, assa rn has 2 bigger bugs

1 is the annoying fatebound cd thing, but thats a rng thing if it happens anyway and has no impact on your performance

the other is a small m+ dmg down

lol

[coral ibex]

not sure why people care so much, its not like it matters much

we have a raid buff, we will be in on basically every boss

and player skill accounts for more variance than class balancing when actually playing fights

[royal lantern]

ngl, my biggest suprise there is that so many play feral

[vital haven]

fatebound getting fixed prob makes it so we are worse on first boss actually lol

[spice surge]

But also its not like assa is outrageously buggy compared to other specs sadly

[quaint spindle]

Honestly facts

[pure moth]

How so?

[oak tangle]

if only they knew of some other bugs, like the dh one

[vital haven]

been a while since i checked but im pretty sure getting more cdr on that fight really helps with the timings

[oak tangle]

why that fight specifically lol, wouldn't more cdr be better on every fight

[buoyant pilot]

I mean I was kind of meme'ing on the quantity of bugs but holy shit kind of copium responses :D. But yeah as a main sin player you have to argue skill>all and "boss damage niche". Have you guys ever visited the boomkin discord? Heard it's fun there (they don't have any bugs btw).

Anyways sorry for wowhead copy pasta

[oak tangle]

what is the copium responses?

[pure moth]

I would think so that's why I question why it would be worse

[coral ibex]

yea its copium to be unbothered by bugs that are largely immaterial to my gameplay and mythic prog

i should be doomposting

[buoyant pilot]

You should be!

[oak tangle]

go play dh, get 4 resets on immo aura

have you eye beam insta cancel

then talk about bugs

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/mhw-monster-hunter-monster-hunter-wilds-finger-point-gif-15920010080149579513

[thorn slate]

whats the command for helpful weakauras?

[tepid zephyr]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[fallen orbit]

on soulbinder you go fatebound with clastic ??

[red schooner]

Nah, DS, lines up better with the big add waves

[fallen orbit]

so DS with CS

[thorn slate]

The Plater profiles, do they require threat plates addon`?

[red schooner]

Just plater

[red schooner]

Unless something's changed since I've last checked, yup

[fallen orbit]

cause someone said FB with claustic its weird thats wh im asking

ty

[red schooner]

It might have changed since I last checked but it used to be DS for the big add waves

Yeah, still DS going by lorrgs

[copper lintel]

hey guys, is the rotation the same for pvp ?

[oak tangle]

my answer

yes

truthful answer? nfi

[sterile swallow]

Your more likely to get a better answer in the pvp channel.

[oak tangle]

try in the pvp channel

[copper lintel]

oopsi sorry

[weary stump]

The rotation in pvp is to stay stealthed and sap for as long as you can to inconvenience and annoy

You take the mental win regardless of outcome this way

[oak tangle]

lol

[weary stump]

Bonus points to find auction house npcs that you can shroud and make stealthed after the match

[humble verge]

[weary stump]

Timed in spirit

[humble verge]

8 deaths on 3rd boss btw

[weary stump]

Damn

[humble verge]

time for another halls run

[red sonnet]

marvellous

im not going to push my keys until assa or subt up fixed this season

[coral ibex]

not much reason to push until turbo boost anyway

[red sonnet]

turbo boost isnt important to me

i mean

cn-retail is a toxic meta

rogues currently hard to get spot to play

[tranquil cobalt]

man it feels pretty rough for rogue right now. or am i imagining things

[rotund oak]

get f@ck'd lul

[tranquil cobalt]

our damage just feels, poor to say the least

[red sonnet]

design is a bit bad now, but cn-retail is much more toxic

as i cleared all +15 timed runs

it's still hard to join squads in LFG for +10~+12

[tranquil cobalt]

there is fights where i am parsing 90% and losing to people in the 30's lol

[red sonnet]

in which i could only fill the weekly blanks

class weakness is much easier to be transformed to class discrimination in cn-retail

[tranquil cobalt]

like wtf is this on mythic forge

[red sonnet]

that make all cn-retail rogue players sick now

[red schooner]

Hmm, actually have a choice to make this time. Chest or legs. They sim the same.

[vital haven]

its either save crests or save a cata charge

[red schooner]

I wouldn't be cata'ing the chest

I have 4 piece without chest

And the uncata'd one is a slight upgrade

[oak tangle]

i'm vibing

[tranquil cobalt]

i mean sure, but man i feel like you can play so much better then other specs and come out no further ahead. idn maybe im losing it

but looking at logs everynight after raid is depressing

[red schooner]

But yeah may just go for the chest I think. Legs come from Loom so, easier to farm

[oak tangle]

i'm mostly top damage for group tbh

[zinc creek]

yo quick question is netherprism simmed correctly or

[royal lantern]

yes, why shouuld it not

[zinc creek]

cuz lily 710>prism 704 for me

[tranquil cobalt]

look at our mythic forge kill i pasted

[oak tangle]

maybe that says more about the team i'm in than rogue, but it's fun

[royal lantern]

you play for boss dmg on araz as assa, not overall dmg

[tranquil cobalt]

look where we are for frac mythic

[oak tangle]

how much of that forge stuff is cause most rogues are playing sub

[royal lantern]

what has that to do with anything

you both just say weird stuff rn

[rotund oak]

bro's oscillating in higher frequency,get on his level noob

[tranquil cobalt]

same log for boss damage

[oak tangle]

more people / people looking to optimise will be playing sub, meaning it's easier to get a higher parse on a dead spec

[royal lantern]

yes, you are #2 at the "actually killing the boss instead of using cds for orbs" part then

[oak tangle]

so your purple on sin, is less than a 30 on another spec, because no one is parsing sin on it

[tranquil cobalt]

this is 95%+ for mythic frac

thats rough man

[fallow canopy]

good thing that boss is basically a glorified dummy

[spice surge]

Good thing they buffed BM by 6%

[royal lantern]

thats not how it works

[spice surge]

They were struggling

[kind ore]

!bugs

[tranquil cobalt]

idn i will stop complaining. maybe we dont need a buff and im bad. but somehting feels off

sorry for the spam

[royal lantern]

BM hunter realising that they can press black arrow and do 4 billion dmg

[royal lantern]

nah, assa is kinda weak rn

[wanton spear]

weren't we supposed to be like one of the top st dmg specs?

[oak tangle]

idk i think it would be alot harder to do a higher parse if all the top rogues were playing sin instead of sub

[royal lantern]

what

[rotund oak]

all i can see is BM hunter being balanced

[royal lantern]

thats not how it works jfc

[spice surge]

Nah assa definitely needs a buff, sub kinda does too, or atleast a pad nerf with a ST buff

[oak tangle]

explain how it does work then please

[rotund oak]

[tranquil cobalt]

i agree with both here

[royal lantern]

you dont suddenly drop from purple to green because "all the top rogues play this spec now" or smth like that

[oak tangle]

huh? he didnt drop from purple to green

[royal lantern]

like, bro, top parses is literally that, TOP

aka 98 and upwards

the rest is not affected

[weary stump]

You drop from purple to green by swapping to the spec you don't like to play

[royal lantern]

the only time a spec becomes really weird with parses is when the number of kills on it is really frking low

[oak tangle]

parses are a percentage of your rank vs the number of parses that exist

[royal lantern]

and thats not the case with assa on araz lol

[oak tangle]

you can't have 5000/5000 getting 99's

[weary stump]

You also get to stay perma green if your raid lead makes you do weird shit

[oak tangle]

and if the people who would be the top 2000/5000 instead play another spec, suddenly the 3000'th is now #1

what do you mean that is not how it works lol

[tranquil cobalt]

all the top sin rogues seem to be still playing sin tho. the normal sin names are still at the top

from what i am seeing

[oak tangle]

there are outliers for sure

but the majority, and rerollers

will spec swap

[royal lantern]

because we are way past the "only top players are on that fight" point allready, the pool is diluted

and those "top players" you talk about is like, 10-20 people lol

[tranquil cobalt]

we need to recruit the pally discord dudes........ (jk)

[oak tangle]

poor wording from me, i mean top players as in above 50

%

[royal lantern]

araz is the fight where your average WR ~800 raider is right now

[mossy sundial]

More like 1300

[quiet oriole]

Surely now that sin is bottom we get buffed like bm?

[weary stump]

My group is in loomithar hell lads can't do pylons for their life

[tranquil cobalt]

yeah my guild is like rank 1000 and we have killed frac and working on soul hunters

[royal lantern]

going by the fact that last sunday EU had not even 600 Fract kills, i kinda doubt 1,3k lol

and EU is the biggest playerbase

[rotund oak]

its not that simple in actual statistical analysis but yes u cant have the entire Sum of registered parses classified as 99s unless u classify the range of specific dmg(e,g as 5mil to 5.5mil to being a 99 and get an entire sample of those out of a bigger group,hence having 5k parses of that range)

[oak tangle]

my assumption is the people playing sin on that fight, are tending towards the lower end of skill (aka <50%) because you would expect them to chase the higher parsing spec. so the ones who don't swap are not interested in that, so likely not as interested as optimising. I know there are people like whispyr playing sin, and to an extend there will be OTP players who push back against my assumption

[celest ruin]

[mossy sundial]

There's 1005 araz kills according progstats, so minimum is wr 1006+

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

[mossy sundial]

1300 probably ain't too far off for the average guild progging it rn

[frigid thunder]

Is this good?

[thorn bluff]

we killed araz this week and our guild rank is this on IO

[humble verge]

sugma cock

[mossy sundial]

Checks out

[rotund oak]

that is a quality factor which u cant really backup that easily.There are also ppl that try to parse on progress,not on farm and ppl that rly dont wanna sub coz they dont like it.So the assumption that there is a tendency towards the lower skill quantified might not be realistic.It is well known though that sub is much harder a spec,that doesnt mean it applies that way to reality though

[mossy sundial]

Grats on the kill

[thorn bluff]

Thx - wish we didn't royally mess up frac cause it should have been down this week too. Netherprism chance in vault would have been great 🙂

[tranquil cobalt]

vault isnt your friend. three weeks of antenna chances to get a shitty neck no one wants

[dense cedar]

i got antenna this vault, dunno what u mean

[tranquil cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/come-on-man-zac-sistas-s4e21-give-me-a-break-gif-26443339

[spring prawn]

any1 got a clue what that potion is called that tanks pop pre pull in m´+ to get threat while riding?

[quartz relic]

exiting the key with the prism loaded to re-enter without losing the stack still works?

[oak tangle]

which is fair, and why i clarified it was my assumption. but it would explain why purple parses are equivalent to another specs greens. for similar reasons to why LFR is easier to parse on because the better players are just not producing parses

[tranquil cobalt]

your searching hard for a reason besides the spec is just underperforming. sometimes the easiest answer is the right one

[oak tangle]

im not saying the spec isnt

it underperforming is inherent to what im saying

why would you swap to sub if sin wasnt underperforming

[main bridge]

i play other specs for fun

[oak tangle]

but the take from what im saying is to why it looks so exxagerated

[unborn rain]

dear realz,

[rotund oak]

as relative to math only wanted to point out that we shouldnt step into assumptions without proper documentation and study of the topology of the matter

the only way to see if it applies to reality

[dense cedar]

math dumb smh

sin is bad becasue i said so

everyone reroll outlaw for huge damage

[tranquil cobalt]

this is world 3rd frac parse for sin rogue

almost lost to 79 from a warrior lol

[main bridge]

warrior is so insane

[coral ibex]

yea and if i had sent my bugged DM at 4:10 it would be rank 1

[oak tangle]

i'm not arguing with you about sin being undertuned, i was commenting on you talking about a ~80 vs a 30, 79 is not a green parse

[tranquil cobalt]

sure buts its still a crazy difference imo

[oak tangle]

and that fight is the sin favoured one

[fallow canopy]

Didn't play around bugs smh my hips

[oak tangle]

so it checks out that we are closer in terms of parses

[coral ibex]

my 83 on soul hunters lost to a 21 by a destro lock tho

[fallow canopy]

Destro does some unholy things on that fight tho

[marsh fjord]

New spec confirmed?

[coral ibex]

yea but do you see the 37 parse fdk

directly below me

[marsh fjord]

Unholy destro?

[tranquil cobalt]

guys sin is fine everyone playing it is just bad

[oak tangle]

what was your dps / fight time btw, i'm curious to see a similar sub parse %

[fallow canopy]

Its fdk they are just turbo broken

[coral ibex]

7471k 7:00

[fallow canopy]

We are just not it rn compaared to the big dawgs

[coral ibex]

i played poorly tho

so

[tranquil cobalt]

in fairness we are not it compared to like 25 specs lol

[coral ibex]

dont really care about this fight tbh

[oak tangle]

84 for a sub

[tranquil cobalt]

atleast realz has DH in a good spot frfr

[main bridge]

it's joever reroll devourer DH

[coral ibex]

is this what its like every time assa isn't a top 5 spec in raid

[tranquil cobalt]

wouldnt that just mean every tier then?

[coral ibex]

we were literally mid as fuck in undermine

[fallow canopy]

We have had a lot of rerollers due to early season so I feel like its been worse than usual

[coral ibex]

why would anyone reroll rogue

[oak tangle]

did you play in nerubar?

[coral ibex]

this season

[dense cedar]

wow wonder who that nooj guy is

[tranquil cobalt]

yes sir CE last 5 tiers lol

[dense cedar]

maybe one day we will find out

[coral ibex]

we weren't projected to be op at any point

[fallow canopy]

People saw sin on m+ ptr and you know how it is

[tranquil cobalt]

idn but i heard he doesnt hold open doors for women smh

[coral ibex]

[tranquil cobalt]

its tongue in cheek lol

[devout rock]

hey guys we use finishers with 5 combo points in fatebound right?

[oak tangle]

weren't we cracked in ammirdrassil too

[coral ibex]

definitely dont look at damage to bosses

[tranquil cobalt]

my fav was when we were looking so damn good in the fyraak tier tho and then got nuked very quickly

[dense cedar]

5+ ye

[devout rock]

ty

[oak tangle]

to be fair, some of that was warranted, they jsut did too much

and then we lost PI too

[fallow canopy]

Iirc there were some PI shenanigans involved

[dense cedar]

next spark might actually be the belt play just for the stam

[tranquil cobalt]

i mean do we not remember warlock in DF final season? that shit was left untouched the entire time well it was nuking the entire game ahaha

[oak tangle]

yeah look, bliz has their favourites

we aint it

[tranquil cobalt]

or was that shadowlands? i cant remember. but surv hunter and warlock were menaces

[oak tangle]

UHDK goes years as top pi spec, sin gets it for 2 weeks, and gets nerfed

[fallow canopy]

Survi s4 sl it was fated so who cares but it was cracked af

[dense cedar]

PI stinky anyway

should just not exist

[tranquil cobalt]

too be honest some of rogue being bad rn imo has to do with nthis tier just being ass for melee in general

[golden loom]

I mean outside of soul hunters, whats bad for melee

[oak tangle]

every fight, cause my tanks dont creep up with me in shroud and i proc cheat death on pull

[coral ibex]

PREACH

[golden loom]

skill issue

[dense cedar]

just don't get hit

smh

[golden loom]

havent u learned the evasion on opener

[oak tangle]

sometimes i am convinced it's the only reason we have that spell

[coral ibex]

also my shroud prepull was banned because we had some real fucking CREATURES casting spells within aggro range of NK

and early pulling

[golden loom]

???

[dense cedar]

i haven't done nexus or dimen but nothing else seems very melee bad

[coral ibex]

"oh, you can't cast spells in shroud?"

[dense cedar]

first 4 are fine and frac is frac

[golden loom]

so you punish all your melee cause ranged cant stand at range?

get them out of the raid

[coral ibex]

and replace them with who

my ass?

we dont have a bench

[golden loom]

bot erik and bot steve are probably better than castes prepulling from shroud

[tranquil cobalt]

Loom isn't great when your raid lead makes you do tangles smh

[fallow canopy]

ranged issue

[oak tangle]

i swear boomkins track whether or not they are the ones that pulled, and if not they start their cast 0.5s earlier each time

also it's wild to see people take the dimensius teleporter at 2s left

[dense cedar]

user error not the same thing

[oak tangle]

at that point just fucking shout "go" in discord

[dense cedar]

every fight would suck if ur RL told you to use a bow instead of daggers

[oak tangle]

side note, anyone tried shrouding just before taking the portal

[golden loom]

yeah

works

[oak tangle]

does it now?

[golden loom]

it did since day 1

[oak tangle]

i did it once it caused a wipe

boss did some cooked shit and insta failed the fight

[golden loom]

not a shroud issue

probably

[oak tangle]

ffs

i got blamed for this

[misty holly]

Dang we're bottom of the wowhead dps chart now. What happened.

[dense cedar]

i did it on purpose cos i hate rogues

[humble verge]

wait wtf

skate 4

is free to play??

[coral ibex]

yea except its f2p mtx slop

can barely call it skate

[humble verge]

ofc

[coral ibex]

you should just play skate 3

[celest ruin]

we gambling

[humble verge]

:D

[dense cedar]

one day dream of seeing the triple digit coin

[oak tangle]

what is the duration on coins between flips

do some degenerate spacing of edge cases

[ocean quiver]

Is lily better than prism for shorter fights?

[coral ibex]

no

[ocean quiver]

My burst is really low with prism because no stacks compared to another rogue using lily

[coral ibex]

how long is the fight

[ocean quiver]

like 3min

[coral ibex]

you can sim a 3m fight

[ocean quiver]

I did, lily seems to sim higher

in a 5min fight prism sims higher

[oak tangle]

maybe on a 3 min, seeing as you dont get to use the prism burst

[coral ibex]

yea if you never get to the 3m vanish then prism is bad

[ocean quiver]

Damn aight

[oak tangle]

kick ur top dps

try and extend fight to 3:30

[ocean quiver]

cant kick myself

jk im like 10th

:(

[opal dagger]

Just simed it, 3 min : lily is better

4 min prism is better

[humble verge]

wtf are these rolls

lmao

[oak tangle]

it hit a high roll in raid tonight

as a reward for our guild getting AOTC, we all got to enter a gamba roll of 500,000 i won 440k gold

[tranquil cobalt]

bro i wish my guild rewarded us for aotc. if we dont get aotc week 1 we all get a scolding chat instead

[ocean quiver]

Yeah bursting nearly 11m dps with lily

[ocean quiver]

share

[oak tangle]

casual gaming is where it's at, had my other guild blow up multiple times cause of trying to do mythic

you always get half the group who think they are better more capable etc, move on make their own guild and then have worse prog than us

[spice spire]

Love one day a week raiding

[oak tangle]

yeah crazy how casual the guilds gotten, we were 2 nights with a potential 3rd, doing 6/8 mythic, to now 1 night a week aotc only

[ocean quiver]

@opal dagger Actually too, for soulhunters, since we play ds do we play forge araz trinket or prism still? last kill like 4:20

[oak tangle]

my feel craft says prism cause you use it on 2 mins with DS

[cosmic robin]

Ayy lads, how we playin the soulhunters fight? do we use vanishes to reapply bleeds if all three are stacked?

[tranquil cobalt]

when you get aotc week 1 tho you will be unsubbed before the month ends lol unless you wanna grind m plus i guess

[wraith girder]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[oak tangle]

ye, i mean i thnk the fastest we've done it recently was sarkareth in week 4? we had the pressure of the D4 release so people popped off, also it was easier tier

[tranquil cobalt]

sark was harder then heroic dimmy imo

i think this tier is going to end up pretty easy tbh, maybe not undermine easy but not that far off.

[oak tangle]

depends, a few of our casuals suck at dragon flying, so had to wait for them. what week even is this

we got it last week with that guild

[tranquil cobalt]

raid has been out like a month

i think

and we are already 5/8 mythic. we are trying to finish ce before fellowship launches in a month

[pliant remnant]

It's week 6 now

[oak tangle]

ok so only 1 week later

[ocean quiver]

sweet, well I changed my macro for lily last boss and forgot to change back

[oak tangle]

not too bad

[ocean quiver]

lmfao

so no trinket usage the entire boss

[oak tangle]

i went in to heroic raid tonight with the aim to parse

[ocean quiver]

and tank hates me and pointed the eye beam at me 24/7 and I died lmfao

[oak tangle]

forgot to use the right trinkets on a few bosses

[ocean quiver]

didn't even use a trinket because it wasn't in the macro

[red schooner]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-2-5-releases-october-7th-legion-remix-release-date-378543 Wait no, i need more time to farm lower crests

[oak tangle]

well, i held cd's on saldaar for my 3 min prism

that turned out to be a lily

(as sub)

[ocean quiver]

lmfao

[oak tangle]

we managed to put it all together on loom at least

3:45

[hardy crypt]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[oak tangle]

i've given up parsing on araz / soulbinder / soulhunters, variation is too wild can't plan cd's at all

[tranquil cobalt]

heroic parsing is dead anyways.

[oak tangle]

it's all i have now 😢

i almost ragequit fractilus, i got wall breaks every time i went into cd's

[tranquil cobalt]

soul hunters heroic is annoying tho lol

[oak tangle]

i got a nice symmetrical parses

[humble verge]

forge

[tranquil cobalt]

we dont even kill heroic anymore. we just have a soul hunters lockout for boot chnaces lol

[oak tangle]

BRO dont talk to me about boots

i still dont have any

and i lost a roll tongiht

to someone who had champ ones

[humble verge]

i just boost heroic

[tranquil cobalt]

my wife will kill me if i add anymore raid days to my week ahah

[humble verge]

its like a max 1,5h

well

1h if you have full main people but

jaja

[oak tangle]

heroic soul hunters, when ranged dont come the fuck into melee with the hunt, sometimes i jsut give up and spam FoK for the rest of the fight

99.5% uptime btw

[clever sparrow]

Ambush vs Mutilate which one generate more CP?

[oak tangle]

what talents are you using

fate bound -
ambush 3 or 5
mutilate 2, 4 or 5

deathstalker
ambush 3 or 4
mutilate 2, 3 or 4

[clever sparrow]

in raids for example
how ambush can give 5?

ah

got it

seal + deal fate

[oak tangle]

with fatebound, seal fate adn deal fate

ye

[clever sparrow]

so why do people open with Garrote

instead of ambush?

i seen alot

using garrote first instead of ambush

(raid bosses)

[oak tangle]

it's a 0.3 or something gain

[clever sparrow]

hmmm

got it

[oak tangle]

likely a combination of systemic failure and doomblade

if i were to guess why

[clever sparrow]

HELP I DONT UNDESTAND THIS
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aTGrcpDABqQviatsyNRZt5

[oak tangle]

and garrote > mut has a higher chance of getting you to 5 cp without having to recast

[clever sparrow]

what hsould i craft if i want to only craft one of these

[clever sparrow]

let me see

[clever sparrow]

HMMMMMMMMMM

make sense

[clever sparrow]

OH didnt know that i always thought Ambush > garttoe have more chance lol

[oak tangle]

ambush is one hit, mutilate is 2

cause of deal fate

you only need 1 crit to get 4 cp

[clever sparrow]

OHHH

now it make sense

got it

can you also help me about that sim? 😭

im not understanding what to craft now

[oak tangle]

im not sure what you're asking

[cyan lily]

then no rogue fix

kekw

[clever sparrow]

well i can craft 1 item
i want to know which one is better to craft

neck or crit mast ring or crit vers ring

[oak tangle]

just look down the sim list until it's only 1 change from what oyu have now

[clever sparrow]

GOT IT

thanks

[oak tangle]

you can click the show gear differences from button to equiped

[clever sparrow]

got it

[oak tangle]

also, you should resim

your necks have only 1 socket

and rings too

[clever sparrow]

well.. how to add more socket on it xd

im bad!

[oak tangle]

when you add them in top gear

[humble verge]

WTF IS THIS

MAN I HATE THIS GAME

[oak tangle]

go down to the section, they'll appear there, you need to click the plus and "add max sockets"

[fallow canopy]

click the plus

[oak tangle]

and then untick the original

[clever sparrow]

i see

got it

how do i make it use the same gems as my own rings? 😭

[severe meadow]

New parses locked in, too bad we’re not clearing dimmy anymore

[main bridge]

The sim tells you what gems are best. You do not tell the sim

[oak tangle]

there is a button in the consumables section to use same enchants gems

but you should jsut check and run them to tell you whats best

[clever sparrow]

(my diamond is on speed so i need all colors xd)

[oak tangle]

dont check all of them though, it will be too many combinations

[main bridge]

The always use and max colors checkbox here will optimize for your meta gem

[drifting maple]

https://tenor.com/view/the-book-of-boba-fett-this-is-the-way-the-armorer-mandalorian-gif-25545276

[clever sparrow]

SPEED > Crit dmg

HIGHER UPTIME = MORE DMG

[oak tangle]

uhh... sure Xd

[gray raven]

you know what that sold me

[flat haven]

is there any haste point u wanna have as assa ? or is it fine if the sim says, other stats and u only have 2/3 % 2.5k ?

[oak tangle]

sim smarter than us

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/skate-kanji-cat-gif-18361256103636562809

[main bridge]

The whole point of sims is to tell you what gear is the best without ever having to think about stats

[oak tangle]

on top of this, sin cares about stats far less than most other specs

i monkey brained crit mastery and avoided all haste cause i play sub too, still can get 90+ parses

[waxen oyster]

I just follow sim

idk my %s

[main bridge]

Same

[waxen oyster]

[spice spire]

Same never thought about it a day in my life

Honestly

About it unnecessary

[oak tangle]

i don't sim alot, cause i dont have premium

just get ilvl

= win

[waxen oyster]

i bum my gm’s

also easy way to say

”my droptimizer is on your acc history i forgot to upload”

[oak tangle]

lol

[waxen oyster]

716 we getting big

[spice spire]

711 with 681 bracers are you proud of me dad

[waxen oyster]

[waxen oyster]

did you not use the free enchanted runed

bruh what are the pants

ermm feet

[oak tangle]

fract

[waxen oyster]

i mean doesnt match

[oak tangle]

or the actual ones

i dont care

they glow

i wear

XD

[spice spire]

I’ve just not crafted shit

[waxen oyster]

710 belt outsims delve for you?

[spice spire]

[oak tangle]

yeah cause socket

[spice spire]

Made a weapon week one

[oak tangle]

to be fair i can't remember if it was sin or sub sim

[waxen oyster]

that 1% haste

[oak tangle]

i've relatively min maxed for sub

[waxen oyster]

yeah i dropped my tier shoulders for loom

so that should take alot of my haste out

[oak tangle]

932 total haste atm

haha

[waxen oyster]

Imagine my surprise when sim tells me not to use logic alpha

despite having over 20k mast

sub sim

[oak tangle]

i think my mastery % was 106 with a flask active

[waxen oyster]

i think its due to haste

[oak tangle]

for sub

[waxen oyster]

ermm crit

with pace

being like 10k

sim is full mongo into vers mast otherwise

[oak tangle]

yeah, i crafted a ring today, sim wanted a crit vers ring

[waxen oyster]

i got priory one

still sitting on 2 sparks and no gilded to make stuff with

[oak tangle]

week 6 this was the right i had equipped

[viscid spear]

Well do some 7s

[coral ibex]

i basically crafted this ring on 720

[waxen oyster]

I still have that on

in my sub build

[coral ibex]

its the best ring for fb and sub according to my sims

[waxen oyster]

at 707

[waxen oyster]

im gilded capped

716 with no gilded left to earn

and my shoulders/gloves 3/6

[oak tangle]

assuming i get an upgrade from vault, i could maybe get to 715 next week

[coral ibex]

ye im also stuck with a 710 and a 714 with 30 crests left

[fallow canopy]

mostly the same

[waxen oyster]

i kind of wasted 30 gilded sending into hc prism

when i got mythic 2 weeks later

[fallow canopy]

It paid out for me since the dumbass rock seems to not drop that shit on m

[waxen oyster]

We got it first mythic kill

and lc gave me it

[fallow canopy]

[waxen oyster]

they also gave me one of the heroic ones last hc clear

[fallow canopy]

goat

[viscid spear]

[royal lantern]

we saw a grand total of 1 (one, a singular amount) of antenna drops

not mythic

in total

all difficultys

[waxen oyster]

i’ve literally graduated from all 3 tiers of prisms

[royal lantern]

[waxen oyster]

Yeah we saw maybe 2 antennas

[fallow canopy]

we've seen 2, one champion one mythic

we do splits btw

[royal lantern]

deserved

[fallow canopy]

honestly

[royal lantern]

get fucked degenerates

[fallow canopy]

true

[waxen oyster]

my warrior somehow has prism hc

even though its not great for that class

it probably has value on aoe bosses to pad

[coral ibex]

what kind of fucked up shit does warrior have going on that a 1.5x multiplier to your main stat isn't good

i dont get it

[oak tangle]

is it not agi

[coral ibex]

how is 55k main stat not good for a spec

[royal lantern]

bad lineup with cds?

[fallow canopy]

prob a flat dmg profile but I'm just making shit up

[coral ibex]

prism is agi/str

[oak tangle]

o

[coral ibex]

p sure

[fallow canopy]

ye

[oak tangle]

i was thinking if it were main stat why aren't arcane mages cooming theemselves

[fallow canopy]

I think on str users only fdk want it?

[coral ibex]

yea my main competition for prism drops is the fdk

praying he gets one in vault

[oak tangle]

warriors run 45s cds dont they

[wispy iris]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[fallow canopy]

this was prob our last reclear of prog and the dumbass rock didnt drop it so

praying for vault

[waxen oyster]

they are yeah

[oak tangle]

and a far more flat profile

[waxen oyster]

No reck gets cdr as you spend rage

so, varies

and bladestorm gets the same cdr

[fallow canopy]

yeah that makes sense

[coral ibex]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/season-3-turbo-boost-partially-launches-on-october-7th-track-upgrades-at-release-378544

There's still no word as to when or if crests will uncap for the Season 3 Turbo Boost event.

[oak tangle]

yeah but theres no mega burst that saving up for 3 mins is worth not just having a passive trinket

[coral ibex]

bro what

[waxen oyster]

spec is like outlaw

except you actually do damage

[coral ibex]

turbo boost without crest uncap

[waxen oyster]

i think their best trinket last i checked

is legit the str dmg proc one

off plexus

[oak tangle]

yeh makes sense

similar thing for dh

[coral ibex]

yea anything that procs on ability hit or attack

is good for warrior

[oak tangle]

depending on the build, double passive is a good option

[waxen oyster]

dh wants an on use for one of their hero trees

iirc

[oak tangle]

felscared has good burst

but it's pure st

[waxen oyster]

Well technically not pure

since demonsurge poops aoe

but its the better st tree

[oak tangle]

yeah but you dont run it on aoe

glaive funnel too good

[waxen oyster]

ye

its prob good in hc

due to adds dying in 2 gcds

[humble verge]

finally getting my deserved orange logs

[main bridge]

when gold

[humble verge]

never

...

dont remind me of cauldron

[main bridge]

[humble verge]

week 2

[oak tangle]

what is fight timer?

[wanton spear]

do i have way too much haste? like i don't think i messed rotation up really, grantide i have had to pug mythic kills, but my damage just feels really low.

[humble verge]

5:18

[fallow canopy]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[main bridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif?ex=68cc11be&is=68cac03e&hm=1179e138ff443cb600be5a043df9df79cdc4b7bae89c6c709f2d80bc25d6d819&

[oak tangle]

that kinda shit no?

or do you hold cds a bit

[humble verge]

for mythic?

[viscid spear]

No Armor Pen?

[oak tangle]

i mean in terms of parse

[main bridge]

not even hit rating capped

[humble verge]

i dont get your question at all

[coral ibex]

so many 6/6 hero track im gonna vombit

jesus christ

[spice spire]

Doesn’t that timing suck for parsing

Is his question

[humble verge]

well

yeah

i just had KB up

as we killed it

but it was fine still

we have a lot of pumpers there

[oak tangle]

timer wise, that ends just after a kb, and before a dm window

[humble verge]

even r1

for one guy

[waxen oyster]

You know i been thinking

why are there so many belf rogues

[main bridge]

pretty

[coral ibex]

because belf is popular

[dense garnet]

cuz horde is cool

[waxen oyster]

i see it more than other classes

also belf barely counts as horde

[waxen oyster]

the second i see void elves have better hairstyles and 50% mog discount

[wanton spear]

I mean i made mine for the silence when racial used to silence for pvp, and just never bothered race changing

[waxen oyster]

damn that was 9 years ago

[oak tangle]

my main rogue is nelf, so when i made a second i decided to make a hordie

and the options were some cringe kinda dead people or furries

[wanton spear]

been playing since launch lol so thats like almost half the time i've played for lol

[oak tangle]

so i took as normal as i could find

[waxen oyster]

Yeah horde stinky

unlucky

although i thought the old pvp mentality post human nerf was

any class that can be orc should be orc

[humble verge]

@balmy condor

[wanton spear]

imagine if they made be racial off the gcd or something useful

[humble verge]

did you hold your 3rd dmkb for amp on forge?

[waxen oyster]

I mean i got my first glad as belf

but some games would have won w/ orc

hardiness 20% stun reduc is stupid

[fallow canopy]

since you said you have pumpers there is prob a chance that you don't see the 2nd dmg amp

[humble verge]

i was thinking first amp

[fallow canopy]

ah

nvm then

[humble verge]

LUL

[waxen oyster]

soulbinder if you want to parse is a boss

you dont want pumpers

in the raid

[royal lantern]

people are boring people and only play human or "i swear, human with pointy ears is totally not human"

[fallow canopy]

he did btw

[royal lantern]

in everything

[fallow canopy]

hold the 3rd for amp

[waxen oyster]

Yeah elf is basically human

with pointy ears

change my mind

This is why if i play male orc play hunch

straightback is too humanlike

[wanton spear]

have they shown haranir racials yet?

[waxen oyster]

Well they cant wear shoes

pretty big L

[wanton spear]

races that can't wear shoes should get a speed penalty

[waxen oyster]

I cant take anyone seriously who asks for a mog rating

as a no shoes race

[wanton spear]

i just like the way the rushed beta launchers look

[royal lantern]

mf talks about mog rating, and then probably plays a character with full tierset+the illidan blindfold

[oak tangle]

The rogue tier sets have been sick lately though

[spice spire]

@ me

[royal lantern]

when BG3 was in its late stages of the beta, larian posted what the "average" created character looks like based on their data

and it was literally the most generic white human male paladin in the world

followed by a female elf with blonde hair ofc

[spice spire]

Imagine not going tiefling Smdh

[wanton spear]

here you go whispyr hate on it lol

[royal lantern]

imagine not playing the scalie race, wow

[spice spire]

I’d never

Hate the froges

[wanton spear]

my Peace Cleric is tiefling, shits busted

[waxen oyster]

And people ask me why i say paladin is the most self insert hero complex people.

in any rpg

[spice spire]

Wild magic sorcerer on durge

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/what-did-i-do-saturday-night-live-i-didnt-do-anything-what-happened-whats-wrong-gif-20220837

mog looks sick

[wanton spear]

peace or twilight cleric is litterly the strongest D&D character at lvl 20 just saying

[spice spire]

I’ve done one dnd session in my life

[waxen oyster]

Idk from my experience people who play paladin in any rpg are just self insert boomers.

[dense garnet]

who plays lvl 20 tho

[haughty flicker]

lvl 20 lmao

[oak tangle]

i don't think i can play DDND

[waxen oyster]

Or people that play male human in wow.

[balmy condor]

dnd = dicken n' dashin? or what

[royal lantern]

@waxen oyster tbf, it doesnt help that espacially in BG3, paladin is just kinda the default choice for many people because of many things

no paladin companion avaible (no, 99% will not get the paladin companion without a guide or by choice)

Charisma is always OP, and its a Mainstat of Paladin

like 70% of dialoge checks are Charisma

the guy that talks (aka the character you controll) will always be in the front when combat starts

[spice spire]

Dog I was a Paladin in the one session what the fuck

[royal lantern]

its screams "play paladin" lmao

[wanton spear]

i played in a living world campaign with multiple dm's and once i hit 20 my cleric basically became an npc

[spice spire]

Dungeons and dicking

[haughty flicker]

yeah playing anything other than paladin, bard, or warlock in bg3 always makes me sad

[waxen oyster]

Like honestly how do you listen to the wow male human attack sounds

for 5 minutes

[fallow canopy]

ok boomer

[haughty flicker]

unless im leaning into being an asshole/ignoring dialogue

[royal lantern]

huh, but why

[waxen oyster]

without muting that shit

[royal lantern]

cleric is like

giga op

[waxen oyster]

huuuuuh

[spice spire]

Going to eat your ass

[waxen oyster]

haaah

[spice spire]

Imagine playing wow with sound?

[haughty flicker]

probably because playing at lvl 20 isnt actually very fun

[waxen oyster]

i mean when i was a noob

[haughty flicker]

because any spellcaster is literally realm warpingly powerful

so retire the character and have it in the world instead

[royal lantern]

OMG MALE HUMAN LOOKS SO GOOD IN TRANSMOG

and then the male human starts moving

[wanton spear]

because in 5e once a cleric hits 20, the dm can't deal with them. without creating equally as busted npc characters, you can pretty much handle gods.

[waxen oyster]

they’re too buff

for no reason

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-glorp-glorp-glorp-cat-nervous-gulp-cat-gif-6405647114975741623

[waxen oyster]

theres a reason blizz models all mogs on female human

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/shaking-booty-gif-10111486565593044883

[oak tangle]

how does DND work? i cant remember what i did last week how am i meant to remember what my character is, yo fuck ADHD man

[waxen oyster]

play an rpg

male human warrior

longsword

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-daring-today-spongebob-spongebob-meme-daring-today-arent-we-gif-23808696

[waxen oyster]

I say this while mine is female human with horns

tbh

[wanton spear]

I made a female human as first character, because it was the least goofy looking character.

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure i made male tauren

because big cow funny

to kid brain

[wanton spear]

like i was gonna make a male rogue, but hulk hogan the rogue wasn't for me

[oak tangle]

all i know is my friend made a bard in his dnd group that has the special ability to store shit up his ass

[waxen oyster]

And idk male undead rogue just screams

”im stuck in 2006”

[fallow canopy]

I just came from a wotlk private server vibes

[waxen oyster]

im bout to drop 5 different gamerwords

in /1

[humble verge]

maybe its time to change guilds soon

[waxen oyster]

uber is washed confirmed

[haughty flicker]

i wish we only had 44 wipes on araz

[humble verge]

no my guild is

i actually had a good parse

before we wiped on 17%

[weary stump]

At least you're on araz, I'm on pull 72 on loom