assassination

[waxen oyster]

i mean thats the point

3 button rotation

practically

exe rb ramp

[hidden crown]

I mean yea but you press everything on CD and you gotta press like a crack addict

[waxen oyster]

somteimes spin

if you played outlaw enough fury doesnt even feel fast

[hidden crown]

my fingers hurt after hours playing that class but its fun over classes like outlaw or arm

thats why I hate outlaw

[waxen oyster]

and dh players manage to turn their raid build

into spamming chaos strike again

[hidden crown]

back to square for DH

cant wait for the void spec

will probably be bigginer friendly

[waxen oyster]

Probably overtuned

[hidden crown]

you play pbe?

[waxen oyster]

no

[jaunty warren]

At 711 ilevel I can pull about 4mill dps overall with 2.2.-2.6 on bosses in keys

Bleed build

FWIW

[balmy condor]

surely that's a typo, no?

4mil?

[jaunty warren]

Overall yes

[balmy condor]

last season?

[marsh fjord]

The hell you doing?

you afk?

[main bridge]

[humble verge]

assa op in melee arakara? noway?

honestly

[balmy condor]

4mil is very concerning

[humble verge]

it felt like i shouldve done more

some of the pulls i did was quite ass

[marsh fjord]

I think im 4 mill without using any shivs or dm's in my keys

[jaunty warren]

On big aoe pulls I can go 15is mil

Ish

[marsh fjord]

brother you know 4 mill is really low right

[balmy condor]

okay so where are you losing half your damage

like you do meh st and decent big aoe

are you alt-tabbing every other pull

I don't get it

[main bridge]

scrolling IG to maintain Sanguine Blades

[jaunty warren]

Nope ..all in..burning all my cooldowns at what I think are the right spots…

[balmy condor]

okay well something is terribly wrong

[jaunty warren]

Let me see if I can find a log

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

[hidden crown]

You should be at least doing over 6mil overall

[marsh fjord]

Im sitting good for this

[humble verge]

wtf is this on first boss

i just decided to do 40m on pull

either i got lucky dots

or smth idk

[marsh fjord]

stop flexing on us, can't you see we are trying to help someone doing more DPS then 4 milll

[hidden crown]

Satisfactory

[jaunty warren]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KchBFZjATDzHN6pV?fight=1&type=damage-done

[humble verge]

like unironically

i dont think ive ever

done the most dps on first boss

overall

[marsh fjord]

They stealth buffed bleeds

to your client

and now your first

[humble verge]

real

idk

almost 10m in ara

kinda crazy

[marsh fjord]

Did you guys do the strat

where you can do the spiders

• the boss

[waxen oyster]

no crafted gear

[marsh fjord]

very close

[waxen oyster]

no delve belt

what the helly

[humble verge]

yyy, u dont time the key if u dont do it lmao

[balmy condor]

this talent doesn't do anything

[marsh fjord]

yeah but some people dont do that 😄

[balmy condor]

but also this log you're doing 4mil at 702 I thought you said you were 711

this sucks

[waxen oyster]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KchBFZjATDzHN6pV?fight=1&type=casts&source=5&view=events

[balmy condor]

and then yeh

[waxen oyster]

3 garrotes into env

[balmy condor]

can't be doing this

[jaunty warren]

It’s a a one week old log …closest I had on hand

[hidden crown]

oh

[balmy condor]

you need to spread ruptures

for scent of blood

you just kinda spread 3 garrotes and then nothing

[waxen oyster]

what is that envenom doing

LMAO

[hidden crown]

Impostoer

[waxen oyster]

also idk why we're sending gildeds

to make a dungeon wep 710

instead of a crafted mh

[balmy condor]

also you overcap

legit so many cp

remember that you should be finishing if you have 5cp

only exception being darkest night, which requires max

that's just the first pull btw

[jaunty warren]

Ok overcap is fixable …I can fix opener and enchants

[balmy condor]

but seeing like 350 combo points overcapped that shouldn't, that's a ton of damage

so that's probably most of it

[jaunty warren]

Fair and reasonable thanks

[balmy condor]

and then you just gotta focus on your scent uptime more

like this is good

obviously not the overcapping 12 cp

but like conceptually this is good

once you got that figured out you gotta start managing your mark a little better

this is your darkest night uptime, the capstone for deathstalker

in the first 8ish minutes of the dungeon you let 3 or 4 expire, when in reality it is the most important, highest value finisher in your rotation

once you get your gar/rup up and get your caustic spatter

the rule is that you would rather darkest night if it meant watch your house burn to ashes

darkest night is ridiculous

[jaunty warren]

Good metaphor 🤣

[balmy condor]

shiv usage is kinda fine actually

[jaunty warren]

Thanks for the impromptu review

[waxen oyster]

why are we not crafting any gear

[balmy condor]

you're maybe holding onto it a bit much

but yeh

seems okay

[jaunty warren]

My main hand is crafted

Good to hear shiv is not terrible

[waxen oyster]

i mean its pretty chalked if you're not utilizing the capstone that much

tbh

[hidden crown]

honestly just needs a few ruptures and CT's and youre good to go

[waxen oyster]

tbh the number of people ignoring to use deathstalkers mark

is a bit concerning

[balmy condor]

yeah, listen to zecturne, he's #1 rupture casterr

[hidden crown]

fr fr

m+ player doing raids

[balmy condor]

no one casts rupture like he does

[hidden crown]

im dangerous

[jaunty warren]

I focused garrote to spread the iron wire silence effect …I will pare back for non caster mobs

[hidden crown]

thats fine you just dont wanna do it to much

[main bridge]

oh no...

[balmy condor]

iron wire

[jaunty warren]

Wait does that mean iron wire does not work or ?

[pliant remnant]

iron wire

[main bridge]

it's a significant dps loss and not worth

[hidden crown]

but useful?

rightt?

[pliant remnant]

if you're doing a dungeon solo, maybe

[hidden crown]

lmaooo

[jaunty warren]

Seems to make PUG keys much smoother ?

[main bridge]

you can also communicate with your team and not lose a ton of dps

[hidden crown]

never had a problem in No Pressure groups

cuz I never used it

pugs is pretty reasonable

no one communicates in pugs

[jaunty warren]

If I run with people who interrupt I swap but most pugs I run iron wire….looking at the feedback iron wire is a small part of the problem ..like <5% right ?

[main bridge]

doing more damage also makes runs smoother. nobody is going to invite the rogue that is last in dps just because there were less spells to kick

[hidden crown]

pugs suck, so run with a guild or join No Pressure

[jaunty warren]

148 wasted combo points seems like a much bigger problem but fair

[main bridge]

for sure yeah. i didn't say this was the most significant issue

[jaunty warren]

Yep just trying to prioritize fixes …appreciate the help either way

[hidden crown]

https://tenor.com/view/yipee-gif-4779444820602299369

[main bridge]

[hidden crown]

im bored of the bleed build where is my kingsbane m+ build

[jaunty warren]

So looping back to what started this all …totally reasonable numbers if you play badly 🤣

[hidden crown]

blizzard fix

[jaunty warren]

Thanks for the help everyone..much appreciated

[pliant remnant]

I mean like where the fuck are the buffs

[hidden crown]

WHERE ARE THE FIXES

been 3 weeks

[hidden crown]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/378939804836036623/721773278800117810/pugPls.gif

My jam

[pliant remnant]

[humble verge]

@zenith elm

[hidden crown]

UUUUGHHHHH need to farm Lily

still stuck with House of cards

[hidden crown]

dw Araz trinket helps me in M+\

[humble verge]

[celest ruin]

[hidden crown]

I jsut need Lilly for raiding

it lines up really well with fatebound

[pliant remnant]

Thank you for telling us

Good comms

[nova kelp]

get prism, works for raid and m+

[tawdry halo]

just get prism

its that easy

[nova kelp]

I mean if you say "dw araz helps me in m+" then yeah

it's just that easy

[tawdry halo]

you have to imagine yourself looting fractillus

and he drops prism

and you win it

manifesting

[nova kelp]

harder to win araz

so still just that easy

lol

[tawdry halo]

prism never drops for my raid team

[hidden crown]

Dont need it

Now for the mythic one

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[restive crater]

I really need to switch WA packages. Been playing with Luxthos' but his doesn't emphasize the things I would like tracked.

[marsh fjord]

This was the main reasons why I just make my own packages

Because I like stuff that no other people kinda have

[nova kelp]

sorry, the real reason I was saying this is coz prism is BETTER for both

[hidden crown]

I dont like prism and I dont like stacking my trinket overtime :<

[nova kelp]

Fair enough, it's VERY strong by comparison though

and doesn't take any thinking

[hidden crown]

I can imagine but not my playstyle :<

[nova kelp]

i respect it

[agile locust]

Overall is prism better than Lilly in both raid and m+?

[hidden crown]

Like I literally traded it when I rolled it FOR the Araz trinket

[nova kelp]

an 18 stack into a massive pull is like giving double birds to everyone relying on hero/lust

in raid, an 18 stack into a sub 35% boss on a vanish...

just gap the raid

[hidden crown]

that trinket is really good on sub ngl

[nova kelp]

I'm talking about sin

it's amazing on sub too

[marsh fjord]

Sub means Below 35% he doenst mean sub the spec 😄

[hidden crown]

ooooooh

silly meeee

https://tenor.com/view/ehe-anime-gif-anime-girl-teehee-gif-27178660

[nova kelp]

look, so long as we all know CP is COMBO POINTS we all good

[hidden crown]

and DM is deathmark

and KB is KingsBane

speaking of DM

[nova kelp]

and DSM is Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Menta...
no wait, it's Deathstalkers Mark

[hidden crown]

Do I just add /cast vanish

[tawdry halo]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[tawdry halo]

better not to macro it to DM

[balmy condor]

for fatebound I guess you could

[nova kelp]

with fatebound you can macro lily to DM

[waxen oyster]

Honestly prisms biggest strength is it can really can be any cd of a trinket

[nova kelp]

but you're better off doing it with /use 13 /use 14
so you can use the same macro with either ds or fb

[waxen oyster]

frac has people just sending every dm

[nova kelp]

yeah I need to consider it next time around

not getting another vanish makes me sadface

my whole raid week this lockout was fucking mid though

best result was a 95 on loom, everything else I just giga sucked on

feelsbad

gota go back to taking the rogue to heroic just for the positive 99 vibes lol

[waxen oyster]

i feel loom kill time is gonna be cooked next week, 3% buff and you were barely getting off a final cd set this reset

[nova kelp]

yeah, been on my mind too

I saw in a sim I did the bot was sending prism on the non vanish dms, which was interesting

[waxen oyster]

maybe frac you move second vanish to 4:30 cds

or is that cooked

[nova kelp]

I might just try next week sending it on the dms in general and see if it fails given we won't see another BIG vanish window

unsure, I'm just gona vibe it out for a bit as the fights get shorter

not like we'll struggle because I haven't min maxed my prism use

[eager bough]

idk 😄

[woven frost]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[cyan dew]

Boys, on araz, when should I use FoK?

[coral ibex]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[cyan dew]

whispyr did like 6 FoK's on the entire fight. That's why idk If I should fok or not.

[balmy condor]

should be fok on 5-6

5 is fine but not really "better"

6 is better

[coral ibex]

4p bug on NK fucking up my cds for platforms

[formal pewter]

how important is it to stay above 150 energy? my dumb ass has been spamming >_<

[main bridge]

not

[cunning needle]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
• Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
• Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.

[formal pewter]

oh ok 150 before cooldowns..

[cunning needle]

spamming is fine

[balmy condor]

you should not be above 150 on purpose

[cunning needle]

it's not a negative to pool though is it?

so long as rupture/garrotes are being maintained

sometimes i just want to chill

and not press anything

[balmy condor]

I mean it is on bleed build, which I assume is what he's talking about

cause otherwise what is 150

gotta be sang

[cunning needle]

oh yeah true

damn

[main bridge]

subtlety might be more your speed if you like to AFK

[cunning needle]

yeah that's why i play it

afk 30 seconds on saladbar before burn phase

[nova kelp]

man I'm not even sure, these days with double cup the grass there's enough cd for dances all the god dam time now lol

[lost nexus]

Man.. I miss Kyle's Tall Sheathe, it was a useful spell when attempting to conceal blades in roleplay situa tions

[grim swift]

thats useful

thanks

[burnt lotus]

I've been doing M+ this whole time and didn't realize that caustic spatter existed

time to actually watch the videos

[balmy condor]

wdym you didn't know it existed

[burnt lotus]

I mean like

I literally had no idea it was a thing

[balmy condor]

you just put up your bleeds and went "whelp, that's my rotation, now I sit and wait"?

[burnt lotus]

does it show up seperate on details?

[balmy condor]

yes

[burnt lotus]

yeah like

this is my recent +10

[radiant quarry]

What is typical uptime for Antenna trinket? How out of my way to grab orbs do i need to go? Just barely got it

[balmy condor]

holy shit

[burnt lotus]

yea like

[balmy condor]

bro is SPAMMING CT

that's insane

[hidden crown]

I just learned

[balmy condor]

they come to you

[burnt lotus]

I thought this was literally just the most undertuned spec oat

but apparently I'm just generationally bad at games

[tawdry halo]

this is fake

they "fixed" the tierset but it still happens

[balmy condor]

yeah caustic spatter is kinda

really big

[astral current]

they "fixed" it then broke it even worse

[balmy condor]

A WHOLE NEW WORLD

[hidden crown]

really? So this is not gonna be "fixed" after the reset?

[astral current]

im struggling with orbs running away from me sometimes when im trying to pick them up for burst

[balmy condor]

then you're moving away from them

[astral current]

their post about fixing is old

[tawdry halo]

isnt this the last hotifxes froma a few weeks ago?

[hidden crown]

this is from sep 12th

[tawdry halo]

feels like longer

[astral current]

one time i've spent 6 seconds running back and forth trying to grab this shit

[tawdry halo]

anyway, yes, it didnt work

its "implemented"

[astral current]

cuz character didnt want to soak it and orb didnt want to be pulled to me when i've ran towards it

not sure if there's been weirder trinket

[astral current]

well... it is

[tawdry halo]

[hidden crown]

I read it somewhere else and ctrl+F to find anything on rogue

[balmy condor]

the hotfixes they post

is one giga post

[tawdry halo]

its just one long post

[balmy condor]

that just keeps getting updated

so you opened it up, ctrl+f'd

and it sent you to the last mention of rogue

which was that august fix

[tawdry halo]

"fix" btw

[balmy condor]

I mean they fixed caustic

that's working now

[woven frost]

if only they made a giga update to those bugs

[hidden crown]

2 months of nothing

[tawdry halo]

yes welcome to rogue

[hidden crown]

zzzzzzzz

[woven frost]

1 month technically

[balmy condor]

the bugs ain't even that bad, it's just 4pc fatebound

[hidden crown]

https://tenor.com/view/erm-aksuali-veli-vel-nerd-nerd-emoji-gif-11908435316515627035

[woven frost]

Damn right

[tawdry halo]

and the only bad bit is when it doesnt proc

[balmy condor]

the rest are like kinda meh but just numerically whatever

[oak tangle]

makes me sad, i can't produce one of these for it 🙁

[hidden crown]

what I saw just now on stream was vanish and kingsbane

Imma update my macro after this

[tawdry halo]

uhh

[hidden crown]

tallking to myself and watching Whisspyr stream

[tawdry halo]

it doesnt matter when you vanish along the DM / Kingsbane / shiv window, as long as you do it before you envenom

[hidden crown]

ignore me!

[woven frost]

Is this reverse psychology so they'll fix us or the sound of a borken man?

[balmy condor]

it's just reality

[tawdry halo]

probably better to macro to DM so you dont accidentally blow it during your 2min 15 kingsbane

[oak tangle]

fuck even this one is wrong now

[tawdry halo]

which will do NOTHING

[vocal cradle]

on fract can i shadow step the break once im in the air and still break my wall?

[balmy condor]

ye

[hidden crown]

yea but when I do, it kinda looks like im vanishing and then DM

idk it feels wrong

[tawdry halo]

literally doesnt matter

[hidden crown]

Im used to garrote and or ambush after vanish

[balmy condor]

vanish and then dm is fine

[tawdry halo]

you can vanish anytime in this blue box

[balmy condor]

well

that blue box and then up to the envenom after that

[tawdry halo]

dont you have to do it before the envenom?

[oak tangle]

@balmy condor I updated my meme is this now lore accurate?

[hidden crown]

more bleeds = more dmg

[balmy condor]

based

[balmy condor]

no

you just have to vanish before an edge flip

so like in this one

that envenom on the left

is a normie flip

[tawdry halo]

oh true

[balmy condor]

can't vanish before that

but then the next 2 envenoms are cold blood

you can vanish before either of those

but if you vanish after the second envenom, the next finisher is normie again

so that's L

[tawdry halo]

yep true double jeapordy true true

[grim swift]

@balmy condor did a full mythic do you do reviews?

xDD

or anyone for that matter im not that experienced on the class i just started this season on it

[balmy condor]

I do when I have time

sometimes on stream and stuff as well

so I at least get some cents out of it

[grim swift]

ah you stream

link me up

i want to learn some

heres the log if anyone wants to give a review https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LxgGP67bk1Q4nfJH?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=6

[coral ibex]

idk man if you already cleared mythic

[oak tangle]

can always post a log in here, and we'll chip away at it like seagulls

[coral ibex]

o

m+

[grim swift]

have at it

xD

[oak tangle]

i am not so great at reviewing m+ though

so i tend not to

[balmy condor]

m+ logs are misery to read generally

it's also the primary reason why !log doesn't open a thread in here

[coral ibex]

you probably need to shiv more

i havent even opened the log

[balmy condor]

there's like 3-4 people in here that can do an m+ log review

[coral ibex]

just ripping that blind

[balmy condor]

and it's like 40 minutes for free

okay right off the bat 3 seconds in

where are the rest of your garrotes

where

vanishing into nothing

[grim swift]

use vanish on cd and garrote away right

thing is how to deal with chain pulls like that

[oak tangle]

would it not be best to rip an ambush from pull so those 2 ruptures get a DN ready?

[grim swift]

if no vanish im pooped

[oak tangle]

help get**

[balmy condor]

that's why you should hold vanish for it

instead of just ripping it into nothing

[balmy condor]

I'm guessing he wasnt' on top of the shredder at start

so that's actually kinda fine

but welcome to m+ logs

[grim swift]

got it

[balmy condor]

do you always just 2 gar 2 rup and then nothing else?

this is like every pull

[grim swift]

yeah

[balmy condor]

why are you not casting more garrotes?

[grim swift]

i figure its spreads up to five mobs around if i cast on a single target

[balmy condor]

yeah but what about the rest of the mobs

not swapping targets is fine, 5 ruptures is good, maybe in big pulls you cast an extra

but like

where garrote

[grim swift]

im afraid of losing the uptime on the ambush strike to proc the mark

how does it work

[balmy condor]

how does what work

(I'm in raid so bit laggy on replies)

improved garrote? or the ambush

[manic haven]

I think he means how much time he has to have ambush apply mark maybe

[balmy condor]

or the mark

[manic haven]

So sub window

[balmy condor]

yeh first 6 seconds cause of subterfuge

[grim swift]

yeah that

i gotta spread the bleed inside those 6 s or do i just ambush from the start to guarantee it

havent got the details down yet

[balmy condor]

you ambush first gcd ideally

but like on the first pull you spread bleeds and then applied to the shredder

that's fine too

but then after that, you can just go back to spreading garrotes

you don't have to stop

[grim swift]

ah i see

[balmy condor]

it's first 6 seconds for the mark

but improved garrote/carnage is baseline 6

so it's a total of 12 with subterfuge

[grim swift]

i understand now where to improve

thats a lot of help

im not using carnage well enough

[balmy condor]

in general shivs and cds look okay

there are some triple shivs back to back to back

which is probably a bit overkill

[grim swift]

could be the fat finger hahaha

[balmy condor]

like just take that 3rd shiv into the next pack

[grim swift]

also the shiv usage

after tempest or doesnt matter

[balmy condor]

after

[grim swift]

i see

[balmy condor]

I mean I think the question is "does it snapshot"

which the answer is no

so like it "doesn't matter"

but ideally you would just get everything out and then buff it

[grim swift]

got it so after rotation and spending carnage as best i can

[balmy condor]

yeh, spread the bleeds, CT, then you're looking for shiv/deathmark/etc

[grim swift]

ct?

[balmy condor]

crimson tempest

[grim swift]

ah yea

[balmy condor]

and then like

actually really well done here

but uh

2 shivs pl0x

single target

[grim swift]

HAHA

[balmy condor]

2 shiv on deathmark

very good

[grim swift]

overkill?

[balmy condor]

no you just

on swampface you had 1 deathmark in the middle of the fight

and said deathmark only had 1 shiv

[grim swift]

i gotta get better alignment on that cd

like when to use or which packs to use it on

so it aligns with the boss

[balmy condor]

deathmark in general is kinda awful in aoe

[grim swift]

it funnels the dmg to a mob right

[balmy condor]

the most aoe you get from deathmark is actually the lingering darkness you get after

so

you can just hold it

I mean it doesn't do any funnel

it just doubles bleeds and poisons

[grim swift]

yeah i havent got the mechanics on the darkest night talent

[balmy condor]

what

deathmark

the 2 min cd

[oak tangle]

i updated my pooling meme too

[main bridge]

impressive effort

[grim swift]

aaaaah

i see

[cunning needle]

damn a refried meme made fresh

[waxen oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[oak tangle]

ok my last one for now

[near valley]

You went above and beyond with this meme to capture sin players

[golden loom]

The real aoe from deathmark is the trinket you have macro'd to it getting used

[near valley]

Cause they can't spell but now you've deleted it so the joke doesn't land

[oak tangle]

HAHA

i do it so often, where i always press the next key first

[near valley]

Yeah it happens to me when I'm typing too fast

[oak tangle]

number one culprit is when i type play

it's 9/10 times aply

i want it to be noted i meant to type paly

case in point

[balmy condor]

based

[near valley]

Lmfao

[cyan lily]

no fix crazy

[severe jacinth]

If I dont have vanish for last boss of dawnbreaker am I just fucked? His flight just made me lose my DS mark

[waxen oyster]

need to phase while you have mark not darkest night

[severe jacinth]

Absolutely insane name btw

[waxen oyster]

[severe jacinth]

Shame that Reddit post got taken down

[severe jacinth]

He phases at 80% right

[tawdry halo]

he phases after 6 bombs

[severe jacinth]

Oh! I thought it was a flat hp amount

[tawdry halo]

nope

[severe jacinth]

Thanks

[tawdry halo]

all g

[severe jacinth]

But the fight ends when he reaches 60%?

[tawdry halo]

yep

same boss starts at 60% in nerubar palace iirc

nice bit of rp there

[oak tangle]

what is a dogshit boss cause no adds or execute for sin

in keys

was goated in raids

[waxen oyster]

*the pad boss

in raid

[severe jacinth]

Need more big momma bosses

For rupture sniping

[waxen oyster]

imagine they ever fix

caustic with singular

[severe jacinth]

Caustic positive bug: I fix

Caustic negative bug: I sleep

[oak tangle]

we'd honestly just get aura nerfed

and brok our st

[rotund oak]

Before transition proc your DN and fly with it.vanish for sure makes it easier though

[rotund oak]

[quiet oriole]

Wondering wtf is going on it seems like im having to spend more on Mutilate then most logs i see. How bad is my crit?

For FB ST on loom

[runic hinge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[oak tangle]

this image is infinitely more useless than a log

[cunning needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449080055893590017/1280746470815043646/456.gif

[quiet oriole]

Good talk

[waxen oyster]

i mean if sims tell you to get more crit than go get it

[runic hinge]

Sim the gear you have and replace gems and enchants and see if it wants more crit but tbh the robot will just direct you to whatever is the highest dps. It is stat agnostic it doesn’t necessarily mean you will be getting more crit always or whatever maybe what you have on is best

But without knowing your gear or what’s in your bags we’d never know what would be best for you

[quiet oriole]

Wasn't really asking about gear. I have the best I can have for my Sim. Just seemed in general my crit seemed criminaly low which may be why my rotation seems sus having to do more builders

[oak tangle]

get more lucky? idk, gearing is what determines what you're asking about

[cunning needle]

while statweights shouldnt be relied on for any real metric of gearing

you could use that to see if it's simming crit much highier than the other stats

to see if you're "short"

much higher being more than 0.5

[oak tangle]

if you posted your log rather than a picture we could help more

[cunning needle]

but a picture is worth a thousand words

[oak tangle]

the question i have is whether there is even a mutilate problem for you to begin with or just a perceived issue

[quiet oriole]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2F3BDHpyTzRhJg7b?type=damage-done&fight=last

All the pulls from tonight on mythic loom prog. It was rough and would be aids to comb through tbh

[oak tangle]

we have ways

[quiet oriole]

Obvs some pulls better then others with how many wipes we had

[oak tangle]

dps dont matter, it's the ratios of seal / deal fate to mutilate im after

[quiet oriole]

Yeah im saying I got a lil lazy/tired with the constent pulls to wipe 45sec in

[balmy condor]

Can sim droptimizers or top gear with crafted gear to check how much of an upgrade crit stuff would be, in general though it doesn’t really make the rotation any different, the majority of your damage is from coins and your deathmark window, and like if you crit you crit and if you don’t you don’t

[quiet oriole]

Yeah i did top gear and I do really want more crit

[balmy condor]

Just looking at your rotation, your second shiv in deathmark is giga late

You’re double shiv’ing the naked kingsbanes, don’t do that

And you vanished on your 2:15 kb which is also no good

Also you’re using radiant power on your daggers

Which is trolling

But it’s actually double trolling if you consider that you’re crit starved

Can also swap the fiber in your cloak, that’s like 2k crit

Some pretty quick fixes all in all, should be a sizable gain

[marsh fjord]

yesterday i was doing mythic loom. and i couldnt get a DM in anymore. but i had KB up. i actually vanished on my KB and it did nothing

[oak tangle]

averaging over the whole night, your seal fate is is a bit lower than you'd expect of your crit, so unlukcy bozo go next XD

[grim jay]

@balmy condor did you try that one yet?

[runic hinge]

It’s pretty good if you like peach stuff but kinda mid overall I’d say

[grim jay]

I dont even know if its new or if ive just never seen it anywhere

[oak tangle]

ZUCKER

[rotund oak]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/germany-bavaria-lederhosen-dance-folk-dance-gif-10171177

[oak tangle]

like i know english takes alot of words from german but it's jsut funny af that on that can the only word that's different is zucker haha

[rotund oak]

You know what else is gigalate?My next ''Heya'' video

[oak tangle]

puts a new spin on fb ceo mark sugarmountain

[night vessel]

Just out of pure curiosity. Was there ever an occasion where a tier set and whole class had this many bugs, and it was ignored by blizz for this long? I heard about an evoker tier-set bug last season, I think? Or maybe it was just bad tuning.
I refuse to believe that they didn't notice any of this or that the bugs are "unknown".

And sorry, stuff like that was probably posted alot of times before but I am just frustrated with this whole situation.

[oak tangle]

yes, right now

[grim jay]

Yeah well "Zero" is somewhat of a buzzword that immediately catches people its meant for, Monster Energy is the brand name (which is the same in german, just different pronounciation and energie) and Ultra Peachy Keen is just a catchy name, different language is always more catchy

Think Monster and rockstar do that

[grim jay]

Actually more often than you would think

[oak tangle]

DH right now has only 4 id's for immo aura, (a 5th og one) and you can get immo resets to the point where you bug out your character and eye beam insta cancels

probs more broken than Singular focus bug tbh

[night vessel]

yeah thought so but i don't really spend time reading about other classes then rogue and mage

[grim jay]

Rogue itself has more buggy examples

Sub inherently always had many bugs

[night vessel]

but sub seems fine at the momemt. outlaw also

[grim jay]

The sin bugs arent even that bad, so I dont really get most of the frustration

[grim jay]

Nah sub has a shit load of bugs

[oak tangle]

bugs =/= unplayable

[grim jay]

It just performs well

[oak tangle]

a bug that steals a bit of %damage, is not really a big issue

that can be made up by other means

[night vessel]

i know that a bug does not make the class unplayable but i did spend alot of time learning assa since last season and everytime i feel like i do well on a boss, my tier-set bugs out and i lose damage. there is no consistency

[oak tangle]

i mean the fb tier set bug is cooked

maybe i've been lucky but i've only had it bug in my favour not against

[waxen oyster]

well everyone is bugged

so it wont affect logs

[night vessel]

i suddenly get a 99 parse on plexus mythic and a 36 parse on loomithar in the reclear without doing anything different

[grim jay]

It wont affect the average log on average *

It does certainly affect the extreme

[waxen oyster]

yeah

you can flip heads 56x

[night vessel]

yeah it doesnt affect logs directly BUT i do not know how to handle the desync on every boss so i fuck up. thats on me but still

[waxen oyster]

and it doesnt matter

how awful you play

[oak tangle]

wcl should just look for any logs with dm < 1:30 cd and remove it from rankings

[grim jay]

Tbf a 36 doesnt happen by having a tset bug

[oak tangle]

fuck all those autumn buffers

[waxen oyster]

syl dagger bug

was a dps gain

[oak tangle]

i mean we had the spatter / sanguine double dips for a bit

[night vessel]

yes it does not but in this situation, my cds desynced, didnt notice at first and fucked up my complete rotation so i had no cds in the dmg amp on loomithar. that sucked

[waxen oyster]

Yeah you go by

cb timer

not kb

[oak tangle]

just be ethical, and wait for 1:30

[night vessel]

its just taking away alot of fun and trying to optimize on certain bosses, especially in our reclears until soul-hunters

[waxen oyster]

idk

[oak tangle]

if you really want to avoid it, put your weak aura trigger to just be a 1:30 timer instead of the cooldown on the spell

[waxen oyster]

fuck fatebound

regardless of bugs

shit hero tree

[night vessel]

this also. alot of times i find myself staring at my coins

[night vessel]

how big of a dmg loss is holding kb in this situation?

[grim jay]

Which is funny because you could literally just remove the tracker

And it wouldnt matter

[oak tangle]

technically 0 cause you shouldn't bug abuse and sims don't take into account the bug

[waxen oyster]

Yeah the bug in reality

[night vessel]

naaaaaah thats an adiction. got heads 29 times on our first dimensius kill

[waxen oyster]

is just annoying

and sometimes a top log will rng extra cdr

i dont watch the stacks i just find the tree boring

[grim jay]

I hate it with passion

[night vessel]

meanwhile, we are progressing souldhunters atm with the best pull being 7%, bleed build is so much fun on this boss

[grim jay]

Fatebound to me is one step closer to outlaw

And fuck outlaw

[waxen oyster]

Im playing sub on soulhunters

lol

[night vessel]

played that at first aswell but i am just more comfortable with assa so i switched to bleed build and its very relaxing on this boss

[waxen oyster]

i find sub more chill

because most of the time it doesnt matter

if you’re hitting things

[night vessel]

also true but i literally do not even move that much on this fight except for soaking. just shadowstepping all the time

[balmy condor]

This happens constantly yes

[waxen oyster]

well the dot hurts like shii

[balmy condor]

The only reason people are freaking out is because I made a big stink about it and the fatebound bug is very obvious

But this isn’t even the most bugged that assassination or rogue has been

[waxen oyster]

30% assa nerf whispyr

unplayable

[balmy condor]

Yes I have a bunch atm, but it’s kinda mid as shit

[waxen oyster]

[night vessel]

yes can imagine that but still. blizzard not addressing those kind of things makes me furious. regardless of the class/specc

[grim jay]

Ye it felt like drinking one for the experience is enough, nothing I'd grab often. Its better than the other Peach one they had tho

[waxen oyster]

i mean

its a 50/50 gamble if i can pass the dawnbreaker boat

without it bugging

[night vessel]

thats the goat. doesnt even keep my awake anymore, just for the taste

[night vessel]

this also

[grim jay]

I only had it bug once this season tho tbf

[balmy condor]

Unfortunate timing, all the devs are probably working on midnight

It is what it is

[waxen oyster]

i went into lfr araz to try getting the 2h sword for mog

668 pally

3rd on dps using OBR

[grim jay]

Sounds like your average lfr run

[waxen oyster]

ngl ret is so cooked

why is this spec so easy

[limpid trench]

some one-tricks carried this class way higher than it ever deserved, and now they’re all hard-stuck. Even they can’t climb anymore, so everyone just rerolled DK.

[vale shore]

what is the command to post the re-stealth chain pulling thing?

[red schooner]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[vale shore]

thanks!

[balmy condor]

But there’s like 2 dozen rogues that are timing 19’s atm

[zenith elm]

Mmmm oh yes

unfactful claims

[grim jay]

There even are rogues in the +20 keys

[balmy condor]

I mean like I'm not saying the class is meta by any means but there's more rogues in +15's and up than the dps specs from warriors, shamans, druids, the combined all priest specs, all 3 evoker specs, all 3 monk specs

[limpid trench]

Yeah true, way better than before. But the fact is that the dilemma is becoming more and more obvious.

[grim jay]

Which Dilemma tho

[red schooner]

The dilemma of what do I get for breakfast

[balmy condor]

it's like just a middle of the population class, with a playerbase that's basically always been rock bottom

[grim jay]

Skyr

[balmy condor]

I'd probably argue that rogues are over-represented in the meta atm

[red schooner]

I will try and actually eat food today instead of the standard mixture of energy drink, nicotine and antidepressants

[limpid trench]

Most of those clears are from regular players, not the top guys. The struggles that average players go through are something the elite just don’t see.

[grim jay]

Sounds like a good plan tbf

[grim jay]

You can play whatever the fuck you want even more so if you arent elite

So whats the dilemma again

[balmy condor]

I don't really understand what that means

[grim jay]

Same

[balmy condor]

most of the clears are from regular players, so the struggles that average players go through, what

are they regular or not

[grim jay]

Im pretty sure its some translator issue

But he doesnt really interact with messages either, so pretty hard to tell

[balmy condor]

is this another spill-over from the insane dooming from the chinese forums

there's been a lot of that recently

[limpid trench]

Oh no, are you going to call me a monkey?

[balmy condor]

no I'm just confused why you guys are dooming so insanely hard because when you look at the data it's really not that bad

[limpid trench]

I'm just talking about my experience these past few days.

[balmy condor]

but then when I pull up the data the goalpost either gets moved

or it just gets ignored

and then the doom continues

like shit is not that serious idk

and like this is a class discord, what are we gonna do about it

we all know rogue isn't meta

everyone just opens discord and we all bitch and moan about it forever?

I just don't get what the end-goal is

are we bitching just to bitch

or like

what

[runic hinge]

We are bitching cause uhh dps queues long so we have time to bitch

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean that's not a rogue problem though

that's m+ being a shit system

[runic hinge]

(not me I play for fun with friends)

[balmy condor]

people have been complaining about DPS queues in m+ since m+ was a thing in legion

it's always been horrid if you weren't exactly the like 4ish "meta" dps specs

[golden loom]

I mean finding dungeon groups as a dps is a problem in CLASSIC

[balmy condor]

and then aug got added and the community rallied behind "god comp"

and it just got worse

that's just community/game issue

not rogue issue

[night vessel]

i feel like i get alot more invites this season in the 3200 io range atm. compared to last season

[golden loom]

its just the problem of a group needing 3 dps, everyone plays dps, ofc u are gonna have a harder time compared to tanks or healers

[balmy condor]

yeah this is probably true, our last tier was kinda rough

[golden loom]

its the same thing as when you queue up as mid/top/adc in league, do you have longer queue times compared to support/junglers? yes ofc

[grim jay]

A certain someone said we had INSANE AOE ON BIG PULLS AND INSANE ST WITH CLEAVE BUILD

Best spec

[zenith elm]

we are 5 healing soulhunters

but

[limpid trench]

Why does my DC crash every few seconds?

[zenith elm]

i need to do at least one tank soak each time

[golden loom]

how did the 4 healing go

[balmy condor]

yeah that's a fairly standard rogue job

[zenith elm]

Not good

[grim jay]

And there always being someone with 10 rio more

In queue

[golden loom]

yeah I mean the amount of people that insta sign up when you list like a 15 key or something is insane

[zenith elm]

yeah but it feels a bit underwhelming for dmg since we arent in execute phase yet

[night vessel]

also i feel like its not just pure rio. if the difference is 20-30 points, completed dungeons also count. i got 63 completed 12-14 keys. that helps probably

[grim jay]

The amount of 15+ keys is also kinda low, been trying to find some random for my alt

[golden loom]

so of course you take the people with highest IO or whatever and then there are 30 people mad they didnt get invited

[golden loom]

I listed my floodgate 15 yesterday, got 20 ppl singed up insta -> big momma wipe -> abandon -> log out and back to weekly 10s on alts

[grim jay]

Wouldnt care at all about that in 16s or 17s+

[red schooner]

I had my row of all 10s bar gambit sullied by someone putting an 11 key in when I signed up to a 10 group

Absolute bastards

[night vessel]

sure but i am currently finishing my +15 keys so that still matters i suppose

[balmy condor]

yes but obviously that's a rogue design issue and realz is the anti-christ for making rogue this way even though I have no idea if he's even been working on rogue since the amirdrassil rework which everyone loved but because it's slightly shit this season he's obviously the worst thing to ever happen and I'm watching death knights be better, why can't I be a death knight? BETTER GO TO THE ROGUE DISCORD AND COMPLAIN ABOUT IT TO STRANGERS ON THE INTERNET

[grim jay]

Hey hey

[grim jay]

Its not easy to be a dk either

You need to play frost

How could you possibly stay awake

[night vessel]

played dk for some 10s weekly but can't do that anymore. its just to fucking slow

[golden loom]

the scythe swings in aoe are crazy dopamine

[balmy condor]

I mean, even unholy DK has issues with invites

they invite the DK, see it's not frost

and then kick it

[limpid trench]

Feeling offended.

[red schooner]

That's why you change spec just before the key is inserted

[balmy condor]

you're feeling offended, or who

[golden loom]

I just do a weekly 10 on my dk for vault, last week I got a belt in vault but I thought it was a chest cause the icon was weird, and then I catalyzed it, and then I realized it was a belt

[grim jay]

Gotta do the swapparoo just before it starts. Unholy is unironically not even far behind frost at all

[red schooner]

But my meta for 10s

[balmy condor]

stop using logic and reason

we don't care about that in pugs

frost is meta and unholy is not frost, therefore unholy is bad

[grim jay]

Based

Gotta wait for mdi again

[red schooner]

So far getting into 10s isn't bad on my rogue despite my scuffed score. Might help I'm ahead of the gear bell curve maybe?

[balmy condor]

are they even still doing MDi

I thought it was all TGP now

[grim jay]

Ive seen a wowhead post iirc

[balmy condor]

nice

[red schooner]

Give me the raid version of TGP. Infinitely scaling raids

[balmy condor]

I always thought TGP was super boring in comparison

MDI is just more fun

[red sonnet]

11.2, good version

[grim jay]

Same opinion, seen a reddit post where people think tgp is superior tho

Idk

[red sonnet]

all class perfect balanced

[grim jay]

And it won in some poll

[balmy condor]

yah I mean TGP is interesting but it's just too slow idk

like it ends up just being "oh lets watch this group attempt x key", do some insane pull, wipe, it fails, they run out and try a different key

which is just

kinda cringe

[grim jay]

Ye thats one point some people seem to like tho, they think its close to the ingame m+ experience, which to me just makes it kinda miserable

Can just watch some no life pusher's stream if I wanna see the everyday pushing experience

Or just... Play myself?

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean TGP could basically just be a stream compilation

[grim jay]

Probably. Even the people doing high end content have vastly different opinions there, iirc naowh prefers mdi, saying its way more enjoyable, and maximum tgp for example.

[balmy condor]

yeh to each their own

[grim jay]

Think the rio poll back then was 60/40 in favor of tgp, but nearly all of the competitors voted for mdi

[oak tangle]

mdi is far more entertaining

tgp is boring as hell

[runic hinge]

In my mind they are the same exact thing

[oak tangle]

tgp breaks players, mdi breaks dungeons

[vestal wren]

i think wow is just very hard to watch

the wfr needs casters to keep players engaged

because watching 20 man do splits or throw themselves hundreds of times on the same fight is just not super exciting

[golden loom]

yeah I think liquid is blessed with a lot of funny personalities that make it fun to watch rwf

[zenith elm]

Ye i liked watching liquid tbh 😄

[vestal wren]

tgp has the problem that its very meta heavy, there are certain rules to control meta chasing but its essentially everyone just playing the same spec/class with very similar strategies.
To make things worse its not even synced so you can't rly compare results well

and mdi had the problem that the key level they did was super trivial

who wants to see groups compete a level 10 key when you typically run a 12-14

^ and this with the best possible comp and bis gear

[balmy condor]

MDI is run on like 16's though aren't they?

[vestal wren]

the key level goes up during the competition

its hard to say what the base level was but it many times started at levels which are what most casuals do for their weeklies

not that it matters that much now, given that we have the new format

[golden loom]

the only mdi thing I ever watched/looked at was the arakara run where they sent a rogue and druid to solo a miniboss

[balmy condor]

yeh idk what the current format is

but there are definitely issues with wow e-sports

[vestal wren]

mdi is now just tgp

i watched it a bit last 2 seasons because a friend participated

but it lacks tension

teams have the agency to select which dungeon they do so you rarely can compare performance before closer to the end of a day

to make things worse, the official cast changes between teams who progress a key and not all of them are on screen at once

so if e.g. you wanted to watch a certain team, you kinda can't because chances they get rotated out are high

[oak tangle]

i recall mdi being equivalent of 19's

that aint my weekly casual key

[vestal wren]

i might missremember

but i remember my gf complaining that the key level was too low for it to be a competition as she was doing similar levels

[oak tangle]

i think so, it ramps up from early stagesm but each day the key levels went up, so maybe a current 16 as a start

[vestal wren]

don't know what season that was

that said i think mdi is more about "speedrunning" approach

where you intentionally have lower levels to allow for more risky pulls

[oak tangle]

correct, and i think that's the entertaining aspect, obviously it's different for other people

[vestal wren]

for tgp you luckily can watch individual streamers

[oak tangle]

the tech they would find to break the dungeons, was cool

[vestal wren]

it was always a balance act

between great use of dungeon mechanics

and straight out exploit abuse

e.g. a very good example for the later was tgp where a hunter bug was exploited to do a strategy which was impossible without. While its cool and all, it sparked a lot of discussion weather such exploits should be shared before the events in order to allow all teams to do them.

[cedar iron]

Allow all exploits, Noone has to share anything. Makes it more entertaining imo

[vestal wren]

I am for it, but i would think the healthiest approach would be to have a central place you have all bugs/snapping/etc shared.
It still needs players to figure out where to use them, but would not encourage bad practices land create a more fair enviroment.

[grim jay]

Idk in my head its the same as people watching other people run after a ball in the same two directions a couple of hundred times and sometimes they happen to score

[onyx pond]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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[knotty forge]

Assa feels great on hc dime

But why its so shit on mythic first 2

Whats wrong with pure st without caustic

And I feel like there is no escape cuz outlaw and sub is same or worse

[vestal wren]

to be fair, i find soccer boring to watch too

[grim jay]

Its that tuning thing

[grim jay]

Same, but many like it and I was just saying it has the same appeal from my perspective

Which can be good or bad

[static glacier]

Nothing is really, it’s litterally the best rogue spec for pure st

[severe jacinth]

How much of a damage diff is double dawnthread vs ascendance + armor banding typically?

In %

[balmy condor]

probably less than 0.2%

embellishments are kinda giga ass

across the board

none of them are worth more than like 0.8%

[severe jacinth]

Ok, not gonna bother swapping off then

[static glacier]

All ima say is sin being this low on loomithar compared to fury, CAN WE GET SOME BUGFIXES or atleast tune the game

[balmy condor]

the bugfixes would hurt our damage in raids btw

[grim jay]

The bug fixes wont get you any higher

[static glacier]

The amount of people fixated on crafting offhand and rejecting soulbinder staff

[vestal wren]

You think its comparable to the async nature of the current mdi approach?

[static glacier]

They sure as hell will stop me having to have the mrt woman say kingsbun in my ear 24/7

[oak tangle]

actual rat pally's all tryna get into my key

[vestal wren]

what key is it?

[grim jay]

Im not entirely in on the current mdi approach, stopped watching a while ago as that one just kinda feels like watching some high key pusher's stream basically, as Whispyr and I settled on earlier

[oak tangle]

just a 10 ara kara, but i hate pally's

[vestal wren]

could be worse could be arcane

[static glacier]

Fuu, picking this spec back up made me appreciate how good rogue TCs are, mage guides are some of the least accessible things ever, and they rotation is litterally missles > ab > ab repeated with barrage when 1 of 3 things procs, I don’t understand how they managed to write a book about it

My mage is like 713 now with myth antenna and I can confirm the funnel is better than sin atm

[vestal wren]

[proper tangle]

Just play fire like a chad

[grim jay]

There even is a WA that actually tells you what you need to know with barrage and blast/exlosion

[static glacier]

I did, it’s fine in raid but weekly keys it just sucks

I lose like 1-3m overall for playing it

[proper tangle]

But it gets your fingers warmed up properly

[static glacier]

Tried all its builds, it needs like 15s or a buff I think

[proper tangle]

And you feel like you are doing a lot of dmg until you look at details

[static glacier]

It’s the most fun mage spec by far

[static glacier]

Exactly!

[grim jay]

I actually always prefered arcane

Spellslinger arcane is kinda fun aswell

[static glacier]

This current version of sunfury arcane is like fine

Just not that interesting

I preferred when arcane actually played around charges and mana

ATM you never dip below 4

[oak tangle]

arcane is (and dont @ me for this) a ranged sin

[static glacier]

Maybe I’ll try learning spellslinger properly, did a key as it was fine dps but I was clueless

[grim jay]

You could try spellslinger, its pretty close in m+ as far as ive seen

[grim jay]

I will, arcane always was more sub

[static glacier]

I think it’s gonna just be more barrage > orb compared to sunfury

[static glacier]

I’d say affliction to me is more sin-like

Whole spec and rapture screams lethal dose / sin cds

It just lacks the funnel, not tuned to be good atm

But arcane deffo has the more similar dmg profile to sin for prio

[grim jay]

It has no similarity in function at all tho

It wouldnt be a stretch to say its more similar to outlaw even

[vestal wren]

think arcane has a very subtlety like profile

affliction makes sense historically, but the profile chanegd a lot

[static glacier]

dmg-profile wise affli is actually super bursty, but I was talking more about the mechanics of rapture and dot stacking for damage being similar to sin's dm

funnily enough i'd say affli is more similar to sub's dmg profile than arcane (arcane bursts slightly less than sub outside of execute) but has much higher lows than sub

affli has sub level lows at points

[vestal wren]

interessting

[static glacier]

actually nvm, lowest affli dps is like 2m

on wither build

[vestal wren]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[static glacier]

the other hero tree would be more sublike, less sustained dps

lemme see if i can find a sim for the other tree

[vestal wren]

sub goes all the way down

[static glacier]

yeah, but you're litterally runescape combat autoattacking the bos for sht here

which for the record I wish they'd change

[vestal wren]

i actually don't think its bad

the focus on burst and dynamic gameplay is what makes the spec fun

bugs, tight tollerances and some amount of lack of qol improvements is what holds it back a bit

[grim jay]

I hope they never will

Its like that forbidden era of the spamy sub gameplay

[static glacier]

no shot you enjoy just watching sectec uses go out the window

im ok with downtime and the cadence outside of dance

but this you gota stop everything pre cds

it can't be right man

rl says push araz pillars

and im doing healer dps

[vestal wren]

to be fair

the "not press anything"

is worth like 0.3% dps

[static glacier]

even outside of that

you can't send a dance

[vestal wren]

you just have the burden of knowlage, so now try to hyper optimize

[static glacier]

in that sense spammy sub was better, we weren't slaves to holding sectec and dance

[vestal wren]

the problem with "you can't send dance"

is related to how low the cdr on it is

it went from 1 sec per cp spend

[static glacier]

ye, they halved it iirc

[vestal wren]

all the way down to 0.5

0.6 or 0.7 and it would feel a lot better

[static glacier]

tbh i don't think it was good to have super high dance uptime either

[vestal wren]

but we would have a diffrent problem, because symbols is a static cd

[static glacier]

id rather them let flag or blades provide us with a charge of dance and symbols

[grim jay]

Idk, doesnt sound like much of an issue. A single spec shouldnt be able to be great on every part of a fight

[vestal wren]

its not about super high

the current approach is just very punishing

especially in keys

[static glacier]

brother do you realise what the healing officer said when i said i have to hold here

"sub has cdr, never hold"

and yes he has a sub alt

[grim jay]

Well other people being dented isnt the specs fault

Tho