assassination

[vestal wren]

github exists too, but i would need to put more bugs onto it

some new ones

but i don't think any class is less buggy

the game is just too complex

and inherently, the bugs which matter are the ones that break gameplay

so to give some more concrete examples, if you look at the list in the pins

the bug around the 4pc fatebound is such a case

because it leads to bad player feedback, desync etc

for subtlety, you could say the bug around refund delays is on the same level

basically, subtlety gets cp refunds and there is always a certain delay on them, sometimes its long too

does still not sound that bad i guess, the problem is coup de grace causes a 1.2 sec gcd

so any delay you add on top during your cooldowns just adds up and you quickly lose one entire cast during your cooldowns

the delay makes it also so you feel bad if you send the wrong spell because it was delayed

anything gameplay impacting is what should be prioritized with fixes

everything else, is more a tuning thing

and while, some things can have bigger impact on dps, you can also mitgate it with buffs/nerfs

[sly spoke]

rogue bugged shut down the discord

[vestal wren]

haha

[rotund oak]

just play mage

or hunter

rogue deadge

[vestal wren]

warrior is a good example of somehting where bugfixes also introduce changes

they ended up being massive buffs all around and dramatically alter the relative performance

[rotund oak]

yup

and the good part about being a war is

u can surgically remove your brain and still perform

[vestal wren]

i don't know the entire story about BM/hunters

but why/how did they figure out that they perform massively better when switching hero talent?

[sly spoke]

rogue fell off hard mass reroll boys shut down the cord light up the torches

[modest karma]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[severe meadow]

Speaking on bugs, I can’t wait for the next expansion with them adding more hero stuff, buggy nightmare

[vestal wren]

it feels like they don't add that much

[severe meadow]

Possibly good then

I try not to complain about bugs too much, just wish they did a little more testing. Set desyncing feels like one they’d catch quick

I played sub for the first time last night during prog, not up to date on their bugs tbh

[vestal wren]

I think many of the bugs

are known but not fixed because of the effort involved with every bug fix

we just talked above (or well i voiced my opinion) how the important bugs to fix are the ones making the gameplay experience worse

[severe meadow]

Yeah, the desync isn’t game breaking, it’s just annoying at times

[red schooner]

Until it straight up doesn't apply the cooldown reduction

And then I die inside a little bit

[severe meadow]

Yeah that’s a little different

I really feel like I don’t get that side of the bug often

[red schooner]

It happened twice in a row on fractilus

And I was so tempted to feign a DC

[severe meadow]

As we’re progging Fract

God what a boring boss

[weary stump]

Terros 2 electric boogaloo

[severe meadow]

I’m just not a fan of WA fights

[weary stump]

At least it's not ovinax

[severe meadow]

I literally took a break during prog because of Ovi

And came back during the duo and queen

[weary stump]

My group had a bug like the second week of ovi prog where we all died but ovinax was still alive and taking damage from bone spike, tried to convince my raid lead that we could just keep the game on for a week so it dies

He didn't like that idea

[severe meadow]

We had a bug on Araz last night where we phased the 1st pylon set almost instantly and he went into damage amp xd

[weary stump]

God bless blizzard

[severe meadow]

Couldn’t replicate it

But he phased and pylons were at like 70ish%

[dense willow]

Do we just have to play sub now

[red schooner]

No

[cunning needle]

Yes

[static glacier]

tl;dr is just numerical buffs

they got buffed a bunch

[red schooner]

Don't make me fight you

[cunning needle]

[spice spire]

Clothes off or on

[severe meadow]

On, first one to get the other naked wins

[spice spire]

[hexed harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-cry-reading-pepe-the-frog-sad-gif-17607942

[grim hemlock]

Is there any talent we can forgo to take Iron WIre, I loved that talent when I played assa back in the day so much, especially for pug m+ groups

[rotund oak]

🫂

[iron karma]

Wait, do these 2 passives make evasion a -40% taken from magic?

[spice surge]

Yesnt, theyre multiplicative

So its 36%

[iron karma]

and you can add +40% (DRed) from feint?

So you literally cant die from any magical aoe

[spice surge]

Yes

If the spell is considered aoe feint reduces it by 40%

and if you spec elusiveness it reduces non-aoe by 20% (but still only 40% for aoe)

[iron karma]

And if incoming spell is magical aoe then you do evasion with bait and switch + feint and these all stack?

I know i can check on notevenclose but im lazy ass

[spice surge]

Yes

0.6 x 0.8 x 0.8 = 0.384 so you would take ~61.5% less damage

[humble verge]

someone got mad

[iron karma]

Salty + wrong, what could be better

[desert crest]

Best kind of wrong

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/wojak-shoot-gun-kill-gif-2158060397121513315

[plush isle]

or just 2 destro warlocks.

[zenith elm]

Ass rogue no pls

[amber swan]

personally I didnt mind hitting barrels but to be fair I am not a high parser and just do what my raid lead asked cuz I was happy to be raiding with my friends

[red schooner]

Yes

[red schooner]

Best you're getting from me is a rupture if I feel like it

And that's a strong maybe

[plush isle]

thats the right kind of mindset, you will be able to parse in like 3-5 weeks when itemlevel and 6% more damage makes up for the difference.

[zenith elm]

Nah not even rupture

[coral ibex]

sometimes i rupture if im in an energy valley between cd's

but usually

[zenith elm]

I need to do my soaks, so i hit noss

[coral ibex]

im just payphoning the boss

[zenith elm]

Boss*

[plush isle]

Tangles are cursed because they spawn every 45-50 seconds exactly into your Kingsbane Window.

[red schooner]

Are people having tangle issues at this point in the patch though? Like, they die pretty quick

[coral ibex]

yes i am doing less than tank damage on the tangles, no i will not swap

[red schooner]

Just, have your classes that CAN deal with them do their job

[cunning needle]

pretty sure people were having barrel issues on richard all the way till the end of the tier

[zenith elm]

Yes

[red schooner]

How though

[zenith elm]

It was annoying

[cunning needle]

well you see

when you get more gear

[zenith elm]

Bc ppl are dumb

[cunning needle]

you think "this isnt my problem anymore"

[coral ibex]

tangle damage last week

[amber swan]

by tangles do we mean the adds for loomithar?

[cunning needle]

yeah loomi is acutally an add fight

[plush isle]

My raid leader gets anxious when the tangles last longer than 10 seconds.

[cunning needle]

spec deathstalker

(for legal reasons this is a joke)

[zenith elm]

Y

[coral ibex]

we were gonna make bank together tonight and now you've abandoned me

sm damn h

[amber swan]

Oh I dont hit them unless they get close...they move in too fast for my little rogue legs and I have attrocious movement with my old hands

[cunning needle]

im nice to leaves. usually

[red schooner]

Fim, start a fight with draco, this is your time

[cunning needle]

[zenith elm]

Yeah fight

[cunning needle]

just gotat make a slightly stupid comment

and he'll be out for blood

its too easy

but he knows i'd be baiting

[zenith elm]

And he'd still take the bait

[red schooner]

I just did my normal play of hard swap for a few pulls early on, show the RL my damage and then get told to just hit boss

And all is well

[cunning needle]

yeah i dunno ranged just do your job and swap

smh melee always having to do the mechanics

that'd be a good bait

[golden loom]

I am in a pug atm and the tangles are getting 1 shot

and I just vengeful retreated into web and died

[cunning needle]

average DH play

[red schooner]

Yeah you're playing dh right

Good job

Now you just need to wipe your raid by pressing the hunt

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-movie-joker-phoenix-joaquin-you-get-what-you-fucking-deserve-gif-15298100

[pliant remnant]

Draco is always mad

[red schooner]

But yeah if its an add that needs to be all hard swapping to kill it or we die then sure, I'll swap and do the thing

But the tangles ain't that

If my add swap damage is the difference between us dying and us not dying then something has gone horrendously fucking wrong somewhere down the line

[lean plover]

one more day checking pins, one more day im sad

[lyric vale]

Hi what u guys do when u get the bug that reduce ur kingsbane cd 2 time in fate bound and mess up all the ability line up?

[coral ibex]

hold

[lyric vale]

Aight

My leader was shouting at me for not being consistens;)
I was like lemme intruduce u to bugassin

[wanton spear]

I hate that a normal netherprism is better than a mythic lilly...

[bitter compass]

Does Shiv increase the damage of Sigil of the Comic Hunt, since it does Cosmic (nature) damage?

[lyric vale]

Its weird and i feel like i troll my vault with getting for lily mythic while i got nm prism next week

[wanton spear]

i took mythic lilly over hero prism week 1 because blood mallet and sims had it #1 clearly baited.

[lyric vale]

Remember we got execute phase we cant alwayes count on sims and bloodmallet

[wanton spear]

yea, I was really debating it but week 1 everyone even in here was like you take the lilly 100% i don't think anyone realised just how strong netherprism was going to be at first

[lyric vale]

I would suck dick if i could get a hc prism first week but well

Not ky chance

But lily was dope so

I run around 40eco for it

[wanton spear]

my week one was rediculous mythic lilly mythic seaforium hero prism, i was like wtf can i take 3

[lyric vale]

[wanton spear]

lilly had avoidance on it and pretty much everyone assumed it was gonna be bis for the season

[lyric vale]

Hmm lily and prism for might be good no?
We like mastery in m+

[wanton spear]

using lilly + hero antenna, but tested a normal prism last night and did almost 1.5 mil more overall for the same key

[amber brook]

why not araz forge in M+, is it not preferred?

[chilly sluice]

Anyone else having an issue where you envenom, get combo points from the coins and it then envenoms again without you pressing it?

[iron carbon]

Did you spam it? Might be still in queue

[chilly sluice]

Im guessing it's from spell queuing and I've just double pressed envelope

[iron carbon]

But it looks fucking weird

Don't forget the timbre

After pressing the envelope

[chilly sluice]

So i should single press envelope before mailing it?

[main bridge]

Don’t forget the stamp

[chilly sluice]

Ahh maybe that's the issue

[iron carbon]

Timbre is a stamp in french, it sounded way more funny

[main bridge]

Oh I was wondering what that meant

[worldly bridge]

!fok

wait this command isnt working anymore ?

[main bridge]

Bot vanished

[humble verge]

its 5pm, you know what that means

[coral ibex]

1 2 STEP IN THE BOX

[static glacier]

i just swapped sub after 1 wipe of cringe, inshallah one day they let us target switch like humans

[lethal lynx]

Fellas is it worth crafting boots?

this is just an alt and I won't be getting reshi boots

[main bridge]

Probably not. You should try to get the reshi boots even if you pug

[lethal lynx]

I remember back in DF boots were actually good to craft but idk if that changed

[main bridge]

Doesn’t your guild do alt runs?

[lethal lynx]

You guys have guilds?

[main bridge]

Yes. This game sucks without friends

[lethal lynx]

I don't raid at all outside of the one clear for aotc at some point in the season

Yeah I play m+ with my buddies

It's why I'm not very happy about those boots' existence

[main bridge]

Well if you want to get some raid gear it’s probably worth joining a guild

There is a recruitment discord

Otherwise neck, rings, wrist are good slots. Sim to figure out what works best for you

[normal mist]

I had a choice between those HC boots or myth helm last week

And I ain't changing my boots for the rest of the season

[main bridge]

Yeah they’re so good. Big passive damage

[worldly bridge]

hey what's the mecanic that refunds energy on ruptured mobs dying ? is it a talent ?

[main bridge]

Venomous wounds maybe

[lethal lynx]

yeah I know the boots are good I'm just likely not going to get them

[main bridge]

Can probably just search rupture

[lethal lynx]

[coral ibex]

you can just pug soul hunters kills every week

its not hard on heroic

[worldly bridge]

are all the commands gone ?

[coral ibex]

bot ded

[golden loom]

did 9 pulls of loomitar only seeing p2 once, and then when they say "last pull before we go soulbinder and call it" we kill it with 0 deaths

(in a pug)

[spice surge]

Lads fiending for that antenna

📡

[golden loom]

not a single good piece of loot dropped

[humble verge]

myffic?

[golden loom]

ye

[humble verge]

ifk

idk

this is why i go sub/boost community alt runs

[golden loom]

well progging it was fun cause I got to die 7 times backflipping into webline

[humble verge]

noob

[fresh kelp]

Dinar boss acquisitioned

W

[golden loom]

W

maybe I can find another pug brave enough to try on warrior later this week

[umbral flume]

im watching a 9 hour video someone made about sin @balmy condor

[deep breach]

whats the current bugs we have as assan?

[golden loom]

can find them in the pins of this channel

[deep breach]

ahh cool ty

my god, i have noticed a lot of them but didn't realise it was that bad lmao

[spice spire]

It’s Friday king

[golden loom]

watching finland get knocked out of eurobasket but atleast there is beer... @humble verge

[ornate gate]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[humble verge]

AI VITTU SAATANA

[dawn seal]

I did the same

we didnt kill soulbinder

[golden loom]

[dawn seal]

[normal mist]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[umbral flume]

"and thats it, thanx for watching"

im watching these and learning the spec while sandbagging keys

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[zenith elm]

thats how you do it brother

parsing blue and purple in mythic, having ppl tell me i'm playing my spec really well

me (not knowing half of my spec correctly)

[umbral flume]

[quasi wasp]

Knowing the spec doesn't really matter, just don't trust the sims

[zenith elm]

i'm trusting the sims tho

sim is life

[quasi wasp]

Are they forcing you in haste too though

[zenith elm]

Nope

always more crit

i'm at 20k and still not enough

[main bridge]

stop caring about stats this is 2025 and you are not playing classic

[dawn seal]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[dawn seal]

is it normal for the wak aura to be broken

when I set it to load on only assasination

whispyrs

[eternal sandal]

!plates

[rotund oak]

[eternal sandal]

wasent scrolled down, happy acciden

[ancient ingot]

hi guys, how can i sim with item which i dont have?

[red schooner]

On top gear

[ancient ingot]

i cant find belt

[red schooner]

Say I wanted to sim a 723 netherprism

Which belt are you looking for?

[ancient ingot]

Harvested Creephide Cord

Belt from auc

[red schooner]

Search creep instead

came up then

Though it worked on harvested for me so I dunno

[ancient ingot]

i cant

[glad tusk]

is it bad to craft a ring

[red schooner]

I... have no clue then.

[fallow canopy]

same

[ancient ingot]

nah(

[woven ruin]

I was thinking the same thing lol

[spice surge]

No why would it be

[glad tusk]

No clue

i heard belt is getting fucked in some patch so belt craft is viable too?

[spice surge]

Well yeah in like a month or two

[glad tusk]

Oh, its that far

[red schooner]

We don't have dates for 11.2.5 yet

[glad tusk]

^ is why i wanted to craft a ring

[dawn seal]

do we ignore loom ithar

tangles

[red schooner]

As a rule of thumb, yes, but if your damage is going to be the difference between killing them or not, just hit them.

If sin rogue add swap damage is the make or break factor for the tangles though, something else has gone disastrously wrong before that point.

[zenith elm]

difference being like 1 percent lol

if you do need to do that

play sub

[main bridge]

if you're at that point it almost certainly means at least one ranged is ignoring them

[red schooner]

Like, hit them if you absolutely need to because a dead boss is better than a not dead boss.

[zenith elm]

not just one

[red schooner]

But, you shouldn't need to.

[zenith elm]

5 ranged are enough for tangles

[red schooner]

But I'd rather fuck my overall damage and have a boss kill than just tunnel boss and die to tangles

Though, it abso-fucking-lutely shouldn't be needed.

[ancient ingot]

finally, Is it fine 750000g for this ?)

[red schooner]

Can't really answer that on your behalf

Are you flush with gold? Then maybe. For me it'd be a hell fucking no.

[ancient ingot]

now i have 30000 ahahah

[red schooner]

[spice surge]

Make sure youre not importing your character via the armory thing

It puts the default power on the delve belt

[ancient ingot]

what it means

[spice surge]

Use /simc

[red schooner]

When you went to topgear, did you use the simc addon?

Or did you use the armory?

[spice surge]

Not the armory function on raidbots

Or make sure to edit the belt power manually by pressing the + on it

[ancient ingot]

im taking here

[red schooner]

Okay you're good then

[ancient ingot]

well, is it dangerous getting gold from hmm rmt?

[rotund oak]

Droptimizer/topgear

always

[ancient ingot]

idk where i can find a lot of money in this game

[coral ibex]

press esc and click shop

buy a wow token

[red schooner]

Buying a token, because buying gold from external sources can get you banned.

[analog field]

also 2 tokens for belt is surely not worth it

[red schooner]

£34 for a .9% dps increase

[ancient ingot]

perma?

[red schooner]

No clue, don't know what the punishments are for it.

[ancient ingot]

why 9%?

[red schooner]

.9%, less than a %, which is what the sim showed

[coral ibex]

a fool and his money are quickly separated

yes

buy your tokens and buy that belt

for 750k

[analog field]

I mean at the end of the day it is personal

but yeah for sure not worth

[coral ibex]

if it isn't clear why spending more gold than you've ever had on your account for less than 1% damage increase is a bad idea, then go for it

[red schooner]

Yeah for sure. I wouldn't do it because god no.

But each to their own I guess

[ancient ingot]

im just asking

but ig 2 tokens its cheap

[coral ibex]

[rotund oak]

herb/alch sell the new healing pots r3

[coral ibex]

save your money man its not worth it

[rotund oak]

best lazy way to make millions

unless ofc u can boost 15s,then thats the fastest way

[ancient ingot]

im just thinking about this because playing 3 weeks and idk how to make money in this game

[analog field]

I mean doing some raid boosting is ok money but still better to buy expansion

[spice surge]

You could get a pint in London with all that money instead!

[spark lion]

hello, been liking assassination but the st feels miserable in m+ is theere an alternative build that has better st but still viable in m+ / aoe

[neat plank]

how can that be good money, don't consumables just instantly lose any profit margin due to so many people spamming them?

[red schooner]

I like to rag on London but even London ain't that bad.

[ancient ingot]

raid boosting?

[rotund oak]

yeah herbalish/alchemy is the best and most easy way for new comers to make gold.Download auctionator addon and watch alchemy guides to make gold but u surely can sell the easiest craftable potions/flasks r3 and sell them

[analog field]

nope

[rotund oak]

consumables do what?

[analog field]

yeah boosting people into raid (normal/heroic)

[rotund oak]

its the most used consumable in the game

literally eveyrone presses healing pots

[humble verge]

ER SÅ JÆVLIG RÆV MED HARDMODE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[neat plank]

basically mats on the AH cost more than the actual final product because if there's any profit to be made people instantly mass produce them until prices drop completely

[rotund oak]

the dude plays the game 3 weeks,u think he can join into boosting?

[rotund oak]

u get more from multicrafting,can actually proc x20 pots per craft

so no

[weary stump]

I got a mythic boe last night and sold it for 1.3mil, it was a belt too

[rotund oak]

stop it plz

[weary stump]

Like who tf buying that

[neat plank]

mythic belt enjoyers

[weary stump]

True

[severe meadow]

We’ve had someone in guild get 2 BoE rings in one run

He’s sitting at like 4m now

[ancient ingot]

im noob now, have only 2 heroic runs with green logs)

[weary stump]

Eat the boe rich is what I'm hearing

[severe meadow]

I took like 200k :^)

( I know him irl )

[rotund oak]

dont listen to unrealistic scenarios for you

jsut lvl up ur proffessions and play the game

farm and gold will come

u will also craft your potions and flasks,you wont spend for them and make gold from them,

can never go wrong

[coral ibex]

you will gain more than 0.9% dps if you learn to play your spec better

and it wont cost you any gold

!!!

[ancient ingot]

yes

thats what im learning now

but sad because cant get invite in raids with green logs for practice

just HC not myth ofc

btw someone said i can sell gear from raid but i cant selling or i do something wrong?

[analog field]

Just play the game and forget about gold

go raid and m+

it will be slow invites but they will invite you

[coral ibex]

find a guild

[analog field]

also that

[weary stump]

Your first 10 guilds by tradition will be terrible

So get it over with now

[ancient ingot]

i have random guild now, i ask about can i go heroic, RL saying go normal when we watching for u

on my opinion how can i learn heroic if i playing normal

[weary stump]

What's your m+ io at

[ancient ingot]

im only 2.5 now

[weary stump]

2.5k?

[ancient ingot]

yes

[weary stump]

Funny that they're demanding you do normal still then

[coral ibex]

there's basically no change from normal to heroic other than things hit harder and have more hp

the mechanical changes are extremely minor

if you can do normal you can do heroic

[weary stump]

Yeah, and rn none of the bosses are that complicated at heroic honestly

Hardest thing for you might be flying in dimensius but even then

[ancient ingot]

yes im understand

im also never die from mech things on king

but someone did wrong mech and wipe

[weary stump]

But what you could do is just go pug a normal raid and parse your ass off and show your guild those logs

Might let you skip their funny initiation of normal

[ancient ingot]

funny part its random guild randomly ppls

i thought this guild for education new players

and when i ask about heroic and RL saying "why should i take u", I realized that I was wrong.

[main bridge]

Probably should find a new guild if they won’t even take you to heroic

[ancient ingot]

but also this RL saying "dont take antena from vault its uncomfortable trinket for noob and u cant take ur orbs from him"

I'm from Russia, but sometimes I understand why a lot of ppls don't want to interact with people from Russia.

everyone from this meme

Curvalead or something

sry for my english if im wrong

[raw marlin]

is it just me or does night elf have higher definition models than humans

?

[zenith elm]

not just you, nelf better

where is the spreadsheet?

[pulsar dirge]

is the belt nerfed yet?

[drifting cloud]

no

[marsh fjord]

12.5 bro

[pliant remnant]

Damn, it's gonna be nerfed in the fifth season of Midnight?

Can't wait

[raw marlin]

You even still play

Poe2 abandoner

[subtle tundra]

poe2/10

[oak tangle]

take that back

[main bridge]

PoE2 is dead to me until they fix how you do all three acts twice

It’s so boring

[oak tangle]

they fixed that

awkward

[main bridge]

Oh good

[prime hull]

did 10 pulls and the kill like this notice anything missing

[main bridge]

I haven’t played in a while as you can tell

[oak tangle]

the league, brought with it act 4, and some interludes while they make 5 and 6

[main bridge]

Link the whole log if you want help. Damage breakdowns are less useful

[prime hull]

its very useful in this case

i got a 26 log

was very surprised

[main bridge]

No it’s not

[prime hull]

but something is missing from the breakdown

[oak tangle]

i mena about 6 spells

ethical dps

[prime hull]

🙃

[oak tangle]

spatter doesn't work on singular focus, so dps gain

[marsh fjord]

They fixed that Loooool

[oak tangle]

also crafting is mega good atm

[main bridge]

Took em long enough

[marsh fjord]

Took them 3 months

That’s shorter

Then some rogue bugs

[oak tangle]

i dropped a rathpith before i dropped an antenna

[marsh fjord]

Had an HH yesterday

sold it for 66 div

[oak tangle]

well i bought an original sin early league, thinking it was a steal at 2 div...

https://tenor.com/view/market-correction-bagholding-sell-bear-trap-falling-knife-gif-4329789944191850014

[static glacier]

[zealous moth]

wdym bro you're showing just your 5 highest dmg% abilities

how is anyone supposed to see your internal bleeding that shit is like bottom 5 dps every log lol

oh i see

it's araz

you ran internal instead of cs

bruh moment

[young reef]

i also suspect you're using fan of knives the mutilate damage seems low

fatebound cleave you only use with 5 or more targets

but yes its not very helpful to see just that

[normal mist]

It. is. done

[main bridge]

Needs more orange

[normal mist]

Probably wont be able to get those with my raid group

some timers are just shit

[main bridge]

Trudat

[normal mist]

watching the boss die sometimes with DM in 10 seconds 🥲

[main bridge]

[ruby shoal]

Do logs count the orbs in p2 on dimensius?

[balmy condor]

No

[marsh fjord]

Did you guys got out of p1?

or still doomed

[balmy condor]

[marsh fjord]

HAHAHAHA

1% damage taken log btw

[royal lantern]

why where you not locked in

[sly yoke]

he probably just killed it

[normal mist]

i was so fucking locked in

[marsh ferry]

Your timers are pretty close to mine

[normal mist]

i reached p3 once

[normal mist]

poggers, hopefuly you do better than me

[marsh fjord]

Gotta lock in bro

[marsh ferry]

Just gotta high roll every single fatebound bug

[normal mist]

that nexus king

HOLYY

[marsh fjord]

pumping

[jaunty pumice]

whats the minimum amount of garrotes i should have out during indiscrimminate for example first pull of gambit?

[normal mist]

while IC is up

use it as a builder

[midnight atlas]

how can i sim a fight like soulbinder or araz?

[marsh fjord]

My qeustion would be

why do you wanna sim that

lets start there

[midnight atlas]

i got 2 mythic tiersets in vault. one sims higher for dslice, one sims higher for patchwerk. i dont know which one to pick so i was brainstorming ideas

[marsh fjord]

But you gotta have all 4 on mythic anyway bro?

[waxen oyster]

head chest legs are the big 3

[humble verge]

@balmy condor you think just even removing 2nd shiv for KB would even give slightly more ST dps on bosses?

in m+

[marsh fjord]

I had a mythic chest in my vault. and its not catalized yet

[waxen oyster]

mine already came as tier

[midnight atlas]

my sim wants me to pick shoulders which is low crit high haste but i dont want it

[normal mist]

Then you're feelscrafting 🙁

Which invalidates any answer

[marsh fjord]

well then dont take it?

juset take whatever you want broski

gotta have them all 4 anyway on mythic

[midnight atlas]

so for fights with adds do you just gear up same as single target spec even if u got some rings or offpieces that sim higher for dslice?

[waxen oyster]

I never sim dslice

[marsh fjord]

I mean if you would really want to optimise it. then you would want more mastery on your gear and less crit.

[marsh fjord]

GOT DAM BRO

[zinc vale]

XD

[waxen oyster]

private

split andys

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/spit-funny-frowning-grumpy-gif-14501018

[zinc vale]

cant say otherwise

[marsh fjord]

What world rank is your guild typical

[midnight atlas]

goodbye socket on random weekly quest helmet

[umbral flume]

tanks not letting us restealth is pain (new to rogue btw)

im doing 14s rn and holy shit

I ask to let me restealth and tanks make it their mission to chain pull everything with 1 mob at .1% health

xD

[marsh fjord]

Well thats not chain pulling

thats griefing

[umbral flume]

wtb 1 restealths sir and or mams

[strange python]

should i ever use CT on a single target boss in M+ ?

[midnight atlas]

yeah

[buoyant herald]

Always

Higher prio than envenom

[strange python]

phew, i have been. thanks

[buoyant herald]

Basically the bleed build buffs CT and removes all talents than buff env so it flips even in ST

[umbral sierra]

!stealth

!restealth

!chain pull

[midnight atlas]

!moroes dead

[umbral flume]

im having a blast with sin rn but I want so be as competative as possible as I main swap to rogue from dragon...should I start gearing sub or deep dive/get good with sin first?

im thinking just 1 trick sin for a bit but I dont like that it is so riddled with bugs

[unborn rain]

implying sub is less buggy

[umbral flume]

damn

my new class is scuffed

whatever I was a dragon main...I endured aug

I can handle bugs

[umbral sierra]

!chain

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[umbral flume]

dope

[buoyant herald]

Sin likes all stats and sub only hates haste so it’s super easy to cross gear

Both love netherprism, otherwise both like a 1.30 but you’ll also want a 2m for sin keys

[spice surge]

Prism is more than playable for keys as sin too

[buoyant herald]

Yeah I’m actually fiending for that bloody thing

5 heroic kills 5 normal kills haven’t seen it even drop

[balmy condor]

I think there are ways for you to figure this out on your own

[humble verge]

we finally got an invite

🥲

[onyx pond]

Damn bruh. What are you applying for tho

[humble verge]

17 keys

[onyx pond]

And you did all 16?

[humble verge]

rtesi

[knotty vapor]

does anyone else have issues with terrible dps on the first pull of arakara?

every other pull in every dungeon is fine but somehow not that one

I'll burst over 20m on the first big pulls of other dungeons with half the enemy density

then like 8m on this pull

like wtf am I doing wrong

[coral ibex]

its just a shitty pull

it almost never gets gathered in a reasonable way

[knotty vapor]

damn i shoulda clipped it so i could review it

[winged sun]

no reason to review

rupture the big mobs and CT the rest

then spam envenoms

[knotty vapor]

yeah of course, which is what I'm doing

[worldly dock]

!stats

[runic hinge]

Nice tag John wowhead

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr is no longer a dom

[uneven plume]

little ads get bursted down quick. Assa is not a bursty spec

[solar flax]

Does anyone here use single target builds when doing Streets or Gambit?

[coral ibex]

no

why would you play a single target build in gambit

its omega aoe

[uneven plume]

In reality, that pull is a 3-5 target pull if you cc one of the casters

[knotty vapor]

hm

[solar flax]

bosses

[uneven plume]

You play Sub in Streets/Gambit

[coral ibex]

[balmy condor]

didn't you ask this like half a day ago

was that answer not good enough or

[uneven plume]

playing assa in those keys is troll

[runic hinge]

I’ll show you a troll

[solar flax]

yeah no one really responed. it was late

[balmy condor]

I mean there were 2 direct answers and a guy going ??????? but yeh ok

you'll get the same asnwer from me though

street is questionable

not playing bleed in gambit is trolling

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr had receipts ready

[solar flax]

Thank you. I honestly didn't see your response. Much appreciated.

[balmy condor]

I mean it was deadass last night so I got insano deja vu

thought I was tripping for a second

[knotty vapor]

does sub and assa use the same stats, or do people maintain 2 sets of gear to swap between them? Or does it just not matter?

[thorn thorn]

Time went back

[balmy condor]

they both use mast, sub is vers, assa is crit

[knotty vapor]

yeah thats what I thought

[balmy condor]

you can get enough stats swapped around with like a ring/neck swap

it's not that big of a deal

[knotty vapor]

been playing this class since 2008 and I've still never touched sub for even a second

but I've been tempted lately

[lament bolt]

I'm terrible at sub, so no temptation for me.

[knotty vapor]

yeah I'm awful at it, but no reason you can't learn

[runic hinge]

I am very mid at sub but it’s passable for the key levels I’ll be doing

[buoyant herald]

It’s not that bad, I’ve been dabbling, kinda fun popping off on bosses

[thorn thorn]

@fallow canopy

[fallow canopy]

[coral walrus]

Any log reviewers? 😄

[earnest pilot]

sub is easy you should try it. its just punishing when you make a mistake

[humble verge]

aint no

way

i die on last boss

[earnest pilot]

but once you learn it it's really not bad

[coral ibex]

sub is easy, it just crushes your balls in a vice if you make a mistake

its fine tho

[humble verge]

I FORGOT TO FEINT

😭

and then one of the statues bug out

for the soak

[agile locust]

In the DM window, do I use vanish before KB or after?
Shiv-DM-KB-Vanish-Shiv?

[earnest pilot]

why are you shivving so soon

[humble verge]

hes not shivving soon

its a normal shiv

for FB

[earnest pilot]

the 2nd shiv

[agile locust]

Yea for FB, I’m just mapping the abilities

[humble verge]

well

his 2nd shiv is prolly after the first one is over

[agile locust]

The 2nd Shiv is 8 secs left on KB

[humble verge]

i assume

[earnest pilot]

oh

[humble verge]

no, you wanna use 2nd shiv with dm

do not care about kb

[coral walrus]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[earnest pilot]

i personally vanish as soon as i can after kb (assuming i dont have an ambush proc)

if i have a proc i wait then vanish

idk if thats correct tho

[runic hinge]

You vanish during cold blood

[balmy condor]

as long as the next flip is an edge flip

it don't matter

[humble verge]

boutta edge your flip

😏

[earnest pilot]

im gonna be honest i have no idea how the fb coins work LOL i just let it do its thing

like ik one is a dmg proc and one is a dmg buff but thats all i know 😭

[thorn thorn]

Thats basically it yea

[earnest pilot]

yea idk like how they function or how/why we minmax them the way we do - i just follow the guides/sims xd

[thorn thorn]

The tierset is the minmax

Follow guide

[earnest pilot]

shoutout whispyr for letting me be a brainless melee player 🫡

[thorn thorn]

Its morning for me

[umbral flume]

fav plater profile?

[runic hinge]

Whispyrs

[umbral flume]

I couldnt find in pins

[runic hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[umbral flume]

ohhh ty ty

[runic hinge]

Cevs is good too

[umbral flume]

love this discord

[runic hinge]

I used all of df

[umbral flume]

ok dope

[worldly dock]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-cat-cat-funny-cat-flashbang-flashbang-gif-8479999063609699416

[coral walrus]

Any log reviewers? winkwink

[agile locust]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[marsh fjord]

sure. paypal me after

[regal ice]

Eugh, I really wanna like Ass but mark feels so shit ngl

I know it's a skill issue, but I swear sometimes it just disappears and then you're just left without it for ages

[jovial idol]

I like ass

Especially big one

[regal ice]

Honestly same

[jade abyss]

How good is the delve belt for us?

[coral walrus]

LF a log review, i have came into a point when i do not see the problems, but watching people's stream i tend to have a lot less dmg (mostly single target dmg)

[thorn thorn]

Post log and someone smart will peek it

[coral walrus]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1JNyXPQHFgZML2f7?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=59&modal=fight-selection

[spice spire]

I am not smart I will not peak at it

Peek even

[waxen oyster]

disappears where

[regal ice]

idk bro, I just get left with no mark and no re-proc after some trash packs

[waxen oyster]

💀

in keys?

how tf

[regal ice]

Prolly doing something wrong, but it just seems that mob dies and it doesn't reset / give me the buff

[waxen oyster]

that means you’re hitting random targets

or a target died and you didnt spend at 7 to consume DN

[regal ice]

Usually only for rupture spread

[waxen oyster]

to get mark on something else

[regal ice]

If DN expires, what then happens to mark?

[balmy condor]

disappears

like you don't have a way to apply without stealth then

[waxen oyster]

You have 30s to 7pt env something

to get mark up

[regal ice]

[waxen oyster]

DN envenoms also do big spatter

[balmy condor]

true dat, whispyr

[regal ice]

Mark issues aside, kinda mid / poor ST is expected with the bleed build right?

[balmy condor]

ye

[waxen oyster]

How poor

[humble verge]

thats just life

innit

[waxen oyster]

Yeah you cap out at like 3mil ish

thats the tradeoff for how high the aoe is

[balmy condor]

well

3.5mil

but yeh

[waxen oyster]

Ye

[balmy condor]

you can def do over 3

[waxen oyster]

I’ve gotten 3.1 on speaker in dawn

which has giga downtime

[regal ice]

Sounds about right, I'm doing maybe 2.25m ST atm with 696 ilevel and 2 set

[waxen oyster]

4set you go through marks even faster

since slamming shiv insta consumes a stack

[balmy condor]

you get the giga aoe though

[regal ice]

Yeah it feels nice in AOE for sure

Yeh, 2.3m just say smacking a dummy

[ornate gate]

hey whats a good miss chance for antenna

[royal lantern]

idk, 10-15%?

[balmy condor]

usually can sim it with like 15%

[thorn thorn]

bro peaked it

[proper musk]

Should I be holding darkest night for lingering darkness in opener? dm will have 4-5 sec left, i have 7 combo points and darkest night up

[static glacier]

is there a non headache way to sim a bunch of different same ilvl items, gilded crest upgrades and crafted items of all stats without having it go to infinite combinations in top gear?

[balmy condor]

you never hold

[balmy condor]

no because you're describing making infinite combinations without infinite combinations

[proper musk]

thank you

[static glacier]

ok leme rephrase

is there a way to disqualify a lot of items from consideration to begin with

[balmy condor]

Not really unless you’re able to look at an item and go “vers mast probably ain’t it”

Like if you’re going to compare a bunch of crafted rings for example

You don’t ALSO need to compare all the stats on your other crafted piece

[static glacier]

after you outed my stats as wack I recrafted shit back to sin, took 1st boss ring from vault

[unborn rain]

outed my stats is crazy lmfao

[static glacier]

now ive got lily + dawnbreaker crystal outsimming prism and pacemaker

[static glacier]

ngl they were like giga low crit, was using sub focused shit but im determined to try sin on saladar next raidnight

[balmy condor]

Mo’s been on a bit of a bender recently it’s all good

[static glacier]

normally I don't really think much about stats but it did come up

[thorn thorn]

Mo are you good

[static glacier]

gained like 130k simdps today

[unborn rain]

lol

[balmy condor]

Yeh like “stats don’t matter” counts for “do I enchant mast or crit or do I craft my offhand with crit mast or crit vers”

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-nodding-dan-levy-david-david-rose-schitts-creek-gif-20776317

[balmy condor]

Not “I have 5k crit and crit is my mainstat but whispyr said it’s whatever”

[static glacier]

dw man, if I perform like dogshit on saladbar as sin im completely blaming you

my tc ❤️

[thorn thorn]

Are you sure

You are schizomaxing asf lately

[static glacier]

I've always been prone to cooking too much but idk lately i've been on a bender

mighta spent like 2 weeks not sober in a row

[unborn rain]

amateur

[severe meadow]

It’s okay pookie I swabbed to sub for the first time this tier for Araz

[waxen oyster]

all you kind of do is swap necks/rings maybe

idk im using priory ring and logic alpha for both

[severe meadow]

And blue parsed on it

[waxen oyster]

yeah parsing araz

entirely how much add burst you do

and phase

[severe meadow]

I griefed myself and didn’t burst at the end with adds up

[waxen oyster]

S tier pull

missed knock

go again

[severe meadow]

I sent everything before adds and was like .. why the fuck did I do that

And that was the kill

[static glacier]

same kekw

[waxen oyster]

which set

[severe meadow]

Like the last 10%

I sent everything before adds started spawning

[waxen oyster]

usually thats boss burn

[balmy condor]

[waxen oyster]

you send on

[severe meadow]

Add pad isn’t better?

For parsing purposes

[waxen oyster]

not sure

shindig’s was orange sending on boss burn

[static glacier]

im fairly sure that guy is bis'd out

myth prism and all

[severe meadow]

I’m really sin geared

Idk how much that matters tho

[waxen oyster]

i feel everyone who got kill around then was super geared

[thorn thorn]

This emoji is a W

[severe meadow]

I swapped out a few items for more vers

[static glacier]

i think sub can function with sin gear, starts salivating at any vers you can run though

[severe meadow]

I had uh

Like 14% vers or something

[waxen oyster]

I think really the most you do is swap

rings/necks

tbh…

[severe meadow]

Ye I swapped a ring and neck

[static glacier]

ye, I recrafted ring for sub

and changed enchants and gems

and ran a different chest too

[severe meadow]

I didn’t do all that but

[waxen oyster]

nah i didnt swap enchants

i just had a vers mast neck also at 704 from delves

[severe meadow]

I have the one from uh

Floodgate

[waxen oyster]

same stats i think

[severe meadow]

Yeah vers mast

[waxen oyster]

theres like 2 vers mast delve rings though

and dungeon ones

[severe meadow]

Is alpha the one with giga crit

From plexus

[waxen oyster]

Yeah

[severe meadow]

Yeah I have that one too

[waxen oyster]

sub wants everything now due to drs

[severe meadow]

I swapped it out

[waxen oyster]

so its not massive

i think

except haste

[severe meadow]

After Araz we got Fract down to 13% in like 20 minutes

[pliant remnant]

Plexus ring...

[severe meadow]

What a dumb fight

[pliant remnant]

My DK's picked up Myth track Plexus ring and Antenna from the last vault

[waxen oyster]

Yeah i got a plex ring

[pliant remnant]

I'm actually mad

[waxen oyster]

havent sent crests since only 45 left

and waiting reset

[severe meadow]

Honestly my rogue has been super lucky this tier

[waxen oyster]

if legs or an mh drop

[pliant remnant]

Whatever I main always gets shit vault luck

[severe meadow]

Myth antenna like 2nd week from vault

[pliant remnant]

Was the same the last time I mained something non-rogue

[severe meadow]

Plexus ring

[pliant remnant]

[severe meadow]

Prism week 2 I think

[waxen oyster]

got normal prism like week 1 or 2

then heroic 2 weeks ago

now mythic

lmfao

[severe meadow]

Our DK won the first one we had from heroic

[waxen oyster]

our dk is an unholy otp

[severe meadow]

Ours plays both

[waxen oyster]

well i dont think hes a true otp

just never plays frost

unless its way better

[severe meadow]

He was doing sicko damage on Araz xd

[waxen oyster]

idr if i got norm prism week 1 late

or week 2

[umbral flume]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[cosmic harness]

do you macro prism into DM?

[normal mist]

if DS yes

if FB no

[balmy condor]

what about if I'm playing spec-less rogue

perma starter

[normal mist]

i've actually thought about that once

[buoyant herald]

thats a fresh cook

[royal lantern]

what abilitys has a spec less rogue avaible?

sinester strike, rank1 eviscerate and SnD?

[balmy condor]

something like that

[royal lantern]

dont open wowgen btw

[static glacier]

wtf spells do you even have, sinister strike and evisc?

[balmy condor]

well now I have to

[runic hinge]

Is this Deja vu

[balmy condor]

I see

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/deja-vu-anime-car-gif-24099480

[sharp viper]

eurobeat intensifies

[iron karma]

Shoul I always use ambush > mutilate when ambush is available?

Im asking regarding keybinds if anything

[scarlet orbit]

blindside changes your mutilate spell to ambush so your not able to press mutilate even if you wanted

[iron karma]

The only thing I worry about is that ambush doesnt proc caustic spletter, thats what I am asking about. There are cases when both mutilate and ambush are available.

[sharp lily]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. On top of this, all stats being good on Assassination means there are currently over 500 "BiS" combinations that are within margin of error. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS from world content is especially not helpful, and we do not maintain any lists of these types. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character.

[thorn thorn]

Ambush will apply spatter so long as the condition for it to activate are present

[iron karma]

Blizzard wording as usual lol

[thorn thorn]

It doesnt say ambush but ambush will work

Their tooltips being not fully accurate as usual

[iron karma]

Why hater tho? 😄

[thorn thorn]

Cuz its a boring way to do aoe

Objectively strong, but not interesting

[iron karma]

On paper sounds like best prio damage profile

idk about actual gameplay, haven't tried it yet

[balmy condor]

Your prio damage is from deathstalker

Every class in the game has a caustic spatter talent at this point

Fire mage ignite, arcane mage has touch, shadow priest, trickster on sub and outlaw, outlaw itself has blade flurry

[iron karma]

Say that to ret apes

[balmy condor]

It’s become the default way to do aoe in the last 2 expansions sadly

I prefer to not associate with ret paladins

[iron karma]

Idk as shadow enjoyer I cant imagine anything else from that be decent in keys

Where 95% fights have a big prio target

[balmy condor]

Yah I mean it’s a bit of a failure in dungeon design tbh

We’re cruising back to homogenization

Everyone gets prio everyone gets funnel everyone gets to do giga st and giga aoe and also I did a 20 and got one shot but this mage didn’t why can’t I have defensives like that

[iron karma]

Defensives are main reason I am switching from shadow tho

[balmy condor]

It’s just always back to square one instead of making dungeon design actually reward specs having different niches

That’s crazy work

[iron karma]

Tried fdk, its op. Now i'm getting to try rogue

[balmy condor]

Get ready to feint

[iron karma]

Its off gcd now

Last time I played rogue somewhere in bfa it wasnt

Feels giga free to press

[oak tangle]

still costs energy tho 😦

but it's fair

[iron karma]

Im ready to trade some energy for infinite -20

[fallow canopy]

I feel like on sin you don't even feel the energy cost

[royal lantern]

its such a weird 180

like, 2-3 expansions ago they literally killed specs because of funnel, or made funnel they ONLY thing they can do

rn its just "lol if you cant do everything at once, you are borderline trolling for playing it xd"

[iron karma]

Also not related to the channel topic question, can you tldr on assa vs sub damage profiles in low/high keys and low/high target counts

[oak tangle]

idk if it's weird, if they stuck to one design philosophy forever games would be stale, not liking it is okay though

[royal lantern]

i mean, making everyone do everything because people start complaining that they cant do X when another spec can do X is not really "keeping the game fresh"

its more the opposite tbh

like, if we actually would have niche usages for stuff, that would make stuff overall more distinct

[thorn thorn]

Niche is being removed

[royal lantern]

but instead its always the age old circle of "why cant i do this thing?????"->blizz gives a spec that thing and then 4 more cry that they cant do it->now everyone cries that they cant do it and everyone gets it->repeat

then you get a pruning somewhere down the line

[thorn thorn]

Apparently thinking its fine for a spec to have weaknesses is a hot take in 2025

[oak tangle]

so pre DF we (sin) should just be unable to do keys? at the benefit of slightly better ST?

[royal lantern]

the fact that you can say since dragonfligh "assassination rogue is kinda squishy in m+" in a serious way is just pure insanity

[thorn thorn]

Poison bomb and dots

Current version of carnage would do a lot better in pre-spatter era than the old carnage

[twilit cargo]

how can i sim a fist weapon for sub on top gear
it doesnt work for me
since its a fist
but i want it as an offhand

[oak tangle]

right, i just mean how much work in an uncapped aoe meta

[iron karma]

Mutilate wouldnt work i think

[twilit cargo]

on sub rogue i was able to press all buttons and in gear compare when i have it equipped it sims higher

i wanna change the ilvl

[thorn thorn]

CT and poison bomb are both uncapped

Next question

[twilit cargo]

but it doesnt allow me to sim it

on top gear and choose an ilvl

[oak tangle]

CT was not okay lol

[royal lantern]

ofc a baseline should be fullfilled

but it NEVER stops at a baseline

like, again, in BfA sub rogue got literally removed from the game by nerf nukes for having funnel dmg (and literally nothing else except that funnel, not even real aoe stuff)

and nowdays they just throw that shit around left and right and everyone gets it and if you dont have funnel the spec is automatically kinda outdated allready lol

[scarlet orbit]

sims higher to what? a lvl 200 dagger?

[royal lantern]

how is THAT not making the game stale

[marsh fjord]

wwouldnt this be a qeustion to ask in the sub channel??

[twilit cargo]

well its a question that is about sims

and no one is acitve ins ub

rn

[marsh fjord]

dead spec

comfirmed

[oak tangle]

i agree that every class becoming the same method to do damage is lame, but i just mean that asking to fill their weaknesses isnt. no one wants to be excluded from things because they miss out on what they'd otherwise be able to do on a different spec.

it's a hard line to find

[thorn thorn]

You cant have both fully

If every class has the same method to do damage then the "weakness" becomes irrelevant since its no longer something you would be missing

If every spec needed funnel to do st then it would no longer just be considered a spec weakness it would just be a mechanic of the game

[royal lantern]

at the same time you have stuff like outlaw

[thorn thorn]

We dont talk about outlaw

[royal lantern]

where outlaws strenght was supposed to be "perma aoe with no downtime"

fast forward: lol

[thorn thorn]

Dragon would like a word with that statement

[oak tangle]

would it have been better for them if it were 5 boss council instead of 3? idk i have their channel muted and don't roll on swords

[thorn thorn]

5 boss council would still be afflock territory

lol

[balmy condor]

There should be trade offs though to fill their weaknesses. Theres a giant spec tree and two hero talents available

[royal lantern]

that would imply that outlaw is stronger at 5 targets then everything else

but like

[balmy condor]

It’s not about giving specs tools to do X or Y or Z

[royal lantern]

lol

[balmy condor]

It’s about giving specs the option to do so with a downside attached to balance it

[royal lantern]

was there EVER a council fight that was not doominated by ranged dps btw?

[balmy condor]

The way it’s done right now is sinply “if your raid spec isn’t your m+ spec, it’s doomed”

[royal lantern]

^

[static glacier]

issue is they don't balance the up and downsides

[balmy condor]

Like yeah, if you want to funnel that’s great, but you should give up ST or big aoe in return

[thorn thorn]

It depends, are we including fated