assassination

[humble verge]

i dont thin kthere is one on my realm

just use wowpay2win to check

cheapest was like 3m

with mixed vers and mastery

[waxen oyster]

why is bro

buying a boe

then rank 2 consumables

[balmy condor]

gotta save money to make money

or some shit

[humble verge]

idk

[pliant remnant]

I am irrationally angry looking at that gear

[humble verge]

ive always had shit gold

but now i can just spend on r3 i guess

i did buy like

1k r2 pots tho

that id like to use

[thorn thorn]

Uber what on earth

[thorn thorn]

What the hell have you done

[humble verge]

what have i done

it was 20k

[balmy condor]

yeah

people glaze the shit out of augment runes

when it does basically fuck all

[humble verge]

wait

i didnt even enable the aug

but still

prolly like 30k more who knows

[balmy condor]

I think when I last simmed auggie on my character it was like 27k

like 0.4-0.5%

[spice spire]

Big

[vivid knoll]

can someone help me with why my dmg is so different from our other rogue, we were talking and we cant find an answer

[thorn thorn]

Provide log itself

[vivid knoll]

its in private let me see if i can get it public

[main bridge]

WCL has a compare function

[humble verge]

its never worked

its always bugged for me

[main bridge]

never heard of that

[haughty flicker]

well right away i dont see IB on your damage breakdown

which means you probably forgot to swap from caustic spatter

[thorn thorn]

Private logging is cringe

[haughty flicker]

but without seeing log itself

cant really say any more

[vivid knoll]

thats true ffs

[thorn thorn]

But no log means we are limited

[thorn thorn]

That 1.5% sure making a big difference

[flint tangle]

what is the best way to dont consume energy all at once? im allways so low on damage and i think its because of that

[haughty flicker]

i mean with what we have thats the best i can do

[vivid knoll]

yea i mean its like a 70k diff

[haughty flicker]

[nocturne quail]

bro its .07% main stat incr

[thorn thorn]

True

[balmy condor]

[thorn thorn]

Barely anything usable aside from casts and damage breakdowns

[vivid knoll]

https://es.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Jj4kDQvnM3mfc6Ga

okay here is the logs

[waxen oyster]

i sell the one use augments from undermine machine

[thorn thorn]

Hmmmm that one only has mythic sentinel

[waxen oyster]

ill have the infinite in maybe, 3-4 weeks?

im 14 and only do the weeklies

[thorn thorn]

And only one rogue

[vivid knoll]

ops wrong log

wait

https://es.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VCykMQH1Tf4zcavG

this should be the one

[flint tangle]

hope someone notices and gives me tips-

[main bridge]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[cyan summit]

!macros

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[vivid knoll]

if someone finds something and can help pls reach me

[formal pewter]

any tips for mythic soul hunters

[thorn thorn]

Someone smarter than me will have to look at this cuz I cant find any usual suspects

Only thing I noticed was the belt not having secondaries (not DISC) but it might just be some WCL shenanigans

[spice spire]

Pretty sure that’s the boe belt from raid

[balmy condor]

whats the question?

[spice spire]

And it’s secondaries are randomized

[waxen oyster]

every boe is now randomized

truly an expansion

[balmy condor]

the difference in the two rogues or what

[waxen oyster]

[thorn thorn]

That was my assumption since wowhead says its randomized

[balmy condor]

I was about to say one of you is using a shit enchant

but then I realized you're both using shit enchants

[humble verge]

whisp

[balmy condor]

the lower rogue is using caustic, that's funny

[humble verge]

you think i should go for

double crit or mastery

for weapons

[vivid knoll]

yea i forgot to change

[humble verge]

enchants

[balmy condor]

I don't care

[humble verge]

LMAO

[pliant remnant]

knife throw enjoyer

[humble verge]

ok then

blodi fak u

[vivid knoll]

my position for the circles is out of melee

[pliant remnant]

ok

go on

[thorn thorn]

Poisoned Knife is trash ability

[balmy condor]

[rancid spade]

Wasted energy

[balmy condor]

this log hurts my soul

[vivid knoll]

its better to stay doing nothing?

[balmy condor]

I was about to point out that the bottom rogue is just throwing their cold blood into the dumpster

because they rupture after cold blood

and waste the effect

but I literally just move my eyes up

and you're both fucking it up

[humble verge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6uEn3Y9BUDPC9okUvw6gGg 75k dps increase if i pay 3,7m for boes

[balmy condor]

why are you mirroring each others bad play

[humble verge]

[spice spire]

20% crit difference on envenoms GG

[balmy condor]

this is infuriating

[spice spire]

65v44.5%

[balmy condor]

yah

[vestal flame]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[balmy condor]

I mean it's starting to look like sloppy play from both, but one played slightly less sloppy and just got giga lucky

even the cloak procs are kinda insane

like the worse rogue is also holding the second shiv constantly

[undone axle]

why would rupture waste coldblood?

[balmy condor]

cause cold blood only works on envenom

[undone axle]

doesnt the talent say it only affects envenom?

[balmy condor]

yes

[round holly]

!m+

[balmy condor]

but you're using it to match edge case, right?

kingsbane flips edge case coins

so cold blood matches that

which means if you rupture, uhoh

no edge case

flips a normie ass single coin

[undone axle]

ahh i get what you mean

[round holly]

cleave build is dead in m+?

[humble verge]

well

[balmy condor]

kinda yeah

[round holly]

kinda sad to hit like a wet noodle in mono

[undone axle]

I thought you meant it ate the cb itself but now i get it^^

and why is there a fan of knives on frac?

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean looking through this log, both rogues just made a ton of mistakes

but the better rogue got giga lucky, got more uptime, and made slightly less mistakes

[rare jackal]

do we not hold second shiv for the last 8 sec of kb anymore?

[balmy condor]

no, we haven't done that since amirdrassil

kingsbane cap got reduced

you still would do the last 8 on the non-deathmark kingsbanes obviously

but during deathmark there's no point in holding

shiv uptime during deathmark is very important

[deep flax]

so, i want to understand my mistakes, at least the bigger ones. Always 2 envenoms after CB, dont hold shiv on deathmark, something really blatant you can see on the log? Im the lucky rogue

[rare jackal]

i got fooled by the sexy rogue dude then

[cunning scaffold]

That’s for your kingsbane only window, for fatebound

[rare jackal]

all good, im glad to know now

[balmy condor]

fix the weapon enchants, never rupture when you have cold blood up, your deathmark shivs are actually correct, you shiv after the first shiv. The other rogue is the one holding. Make sure to also go into a kingsbane window with an envenom, so like envenom -> kingsbane or envenom -> shiv -> deathmark -> kingsbane. On the non-deathmark kingsbanes you sometimes just late your shiv, make sure those are the last 8, you cast on the last like 4-5. Don't use fan of knives in single target obviously. The other minor thing you can do is hold a bit of energy before your kingsbanes so you don't run into this awkward situation where you're just not casting really anything for like 10 seconds during your kb/shiv, but that's pretty minor

like the basics are all there, you're not wasting cp or whatever

but it's just a little rough around the edges

[balmy condor]

yeah a lot of people have been quoting that for some reason, maybe I wasn't clear with it or misspoke or something

but it doesn't make sense to hold your second shiv for the end of KB and waste uptime during deathmark

cause your kingsbane is max stacked in like 3-4 seconds

so you're not getting anything out it

[rare jackal]

i think the confusing part was you demonstrating that part during a deathmark window in the video
but i get that that was probably not intended

[balmy condor]

like if you immediately shiv, your actually buffing MORE kingsbane damage cause of lethal dose stacks from deathmark

[deep flax]

thanks for this man, seriously!

[nova kelp]

disappointed whispyr, so much help and no "monkey"

I came for the reputation

[runic hinge]

You what for the reputation

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr has a reputation of being helpful

[nova kelp]

did I... stutter?

lol

[runic hinge]

Oh no you’re gonna summon Jez

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/bop-bop-bop-shoebody-bop-squad-summon-dark-magic-gif-13983602502478731881

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/819918800022405122/1310776107196354715/speed.gif

[nova kelp]

FISH SAUSAGE FISH SAUSAGE FISH SAUSAGE!

[nova kelp]

Fuck that's so unhinged lol

[pulsar coral]

parsed 99 on h fractillius, fighting for 8th place on the meters feelsbadman

[humble verge]

i can be happy i somehow have good logs on forge and dim

they are both in rank 100

[humble verge]

rofl

[pulsar coral]

my mind was just blown at how bad our single target is i guess

[humble verge]

its not bad

its just there

[pulsar coral]

i can parse that well and almost not see myself on details

[humble verge]

just use

"always show me"

[pulsar coral]

good idea 😮

[viscid spear]

Love getting invited to a key, teleporting to the instance, waiting inside for group to fill, once it's full I get removed.

Why did I get removed, you may ask?

[vestal granite]

they done you a favour

[viscid spear]

No "hey a friend wanted to join"

Just removed

[pulsar coral]

i've done that before because a friend finally logs on 10 min after we messaged him on bnet

[viscid spear]

Did you tell the person you were kicking them?

[pulsar coral]

always say "hey sorry, buddy just logged on"

yes

[main bridge]

what difference does it even make what they say or don't say

[viscid spear]

Because I was on the other side of my room and looked over and didn't see party frames

[thorn thorn]

Report for gameplay sabotage and gg go next

[dusky summit]

does anyone know what i can do to not get broken aout of stealth on the first pull of ara kara. Seems to be happening every single time and im unsure why

[balmy condor]

are you using the int nightfall dagger or a shitty disc belt power

[dusky summit]

nope

unless critical chain is considered shitty now?

[pliant remnant]

I mean, it's just the random targeting abilities, no?

[static glacier]

ay, you guys wanna look through my frac log?

its wack

need to do more dmg

i do just send prism with dm but iirc its not a massive loss, sub 1%

[gray hazel]

Does battle shout give any benefits to casters?

[normal mist]

they get mad

[gray hazel]

Do they get anything from attack power?

[thorn thorn]

Nope

[static glacier]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/b1XmQ3Va6wvgx7rD/admjxZFDBvP973z4?fight=37%2C41&type=damage-done&translate=true

like wtf did I mess up here

[plain plaza]

Vanishes

[static glacier]

its 0.6%

it wouldn't result in this kind of gap

vanish on dm vs vanish on prism every 3min is litterally fuck all dps, it's just slightly better

did I just giga lowroll ambush procs?

[plain plaza]

Maybe kill timing with execute, not sure just seeing the the vanishes stick out

[static glacier]

my last set of cds

was cut short

had knock, i think I missequenced kb but regardless none of them got to tick

but the boss was dying so I just sent w/e I had

[balmy condor]

uglyassdog

[static glacier]

I have to do better

xds

[haughty flicker]

uglyassdog

[mint summit]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[balmy condor]

uglyassdog2

[static glacier]

bro this isn't losing me infinite dps

[balmy condor]

I mean it's losing you more than whatever 0.6% from macroing to dm

[static glacier]

iirc there's no rule anymore

about avoiding rupture in shiv

is there?

there used to be iirc

but idk about now

[runic hinge]

You don’t rupture during cb

[tawdry halo]

no but there is about using envenom after CB

[balmy condor]

that was never a rule

[static glacier]

OH SHIT

[balmy condor]

but the rule is definitely do not rupture during cold blood

[static glacier]

i just remembered

[balmy condor]

cause that is

dumb as shit

[static glacier]

ye i griefed that

will remember for future

[balmy condor]

idk rotation looks fine though

[tawdry halo]

also might have been useful to have a better stacked prism when you send 3min CDs during execute

[static glacier]

like im just surprised

it feels like there shouldn't be that much of a gap

[umbral flume]

I have main swapped! xD rogue io push time maybe future main for raid too. Big sin fan so far.

[static glacier]

also never punished

[tawdry halo]

you're not getting the full 4min30 CDs in anyway so may as well do more BIG DAM when the boss is at 35%

[balmy condor]

wdym

[static glacier]

didn't flip heads

[balmy condor]

I don't understand

[static glacier]

I thought the issue with rupture in cb is you risk griefing ur roll streak from it

no?

[balmy condor]

you grief because you don't match the edge case

[static glacier]

bruh

[balmy condor]

those kingsbane coins are edge coins

[static glacier]

i fucking forgot the tierset existed

[tawdry halo]

[static glacier]

ok

DO NOT RUPTURE IN CB EVER

[balmy condor]

yes

[static glacier]

sure easy enough

[balmy condor]

sims would rather drop rupture entirely

[static glacier]

just refresh dots before cds

[balmy condor]

no

[tawdry halo]

just cast envenom twice after CB/Kingsbane

ez

[balmy condor]

you just rupture in pandemic as normal

forcing dots before cds is also a loss

[static glacier]

so its just let it drop for a global if need be]

[balmy condor]

yes

[static glacier]

ok, so putting the rupture shit to the side, thats just be being cooked and forgetting

wtf else did I turbogrief here

[thorn thorn]

uglyassdog4

[balmy condor]

dunno, crit harder

[static glacier]

the late kb right at the end was bc it didn't go off

[balmy condor]

your stats are pretty cooked but like idk

[static glacier]

recrafted ring cus sub prison

since you never got back to me about sin on saladbar

[balmy condor]

wdym

[static glacier]

is the spec viable

[balmy condor]

yeah of course it is lmao

what kind of question is that

[static glacier]

ok bet, we going sin next raid

for saladbar

[balmy condor]

do you know the salhadaar timings at all

[static glacier]

brother idk anymore

legit i fear titan dmg on sin

[balmy condor]

you.... have a deathmark for the titan

[static glacier]

i can't believe im saying this

[balmy condor]

it's 3:00

[static glacier]

i miss ds

[thorn thorn]

Mo

It might be jover

[balmy condor]

okay well deathstalker would do less titan damage

so maybe you're just suffering from heatstroke or something

feel better

[static glacier]

singular bugged anyway

and we can't run ct i assume

[balmy condor]

heatstroke

only explanation

what are you cooking

[static glacier]

ill go envenom the boss

leaving the kitchen

[balmy condor]

you just fatebound, you deathmark the titan

you do damage

you get deathmark back for the amp

it's just like heroic

[nova kelp]

a guildy just told me that every time he comes into the sin disc it's always gooner talk

I bring up the disc and boom, whispyr talking about stroking

[static glacier]

whole loda gooners here

tbh

reprobates

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah kinda

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr is king gooner

[balmy condor]

how am I not supposed to have a stroke

I open the channel and we're missing deathstalker and talking about CT on salhadaar

which are both just like

[static glacier]

KEKW

[balmy condor]

the worst ideas I've heard all week

shits a fucking fever dream in here

[tawdry halo]

week's not over

[static glacier]

you can't understand

this patch has been hard on me

[tawdry halo]

there's time to cook harder

[balmy condor]

true actually

[static glacier]

i went from orange / purple to this

fuckin grey

anyways the cb reminder genuinely big ty gang

[static glacier]

bro missing ds is about missing aoe dps

life was better, i could play smart to win

I never truly grasped the implications of fatebound on aoe

until now

[balmy condor]

but... you're not concerned about aoe

you're concerned about titan damage?

[static glacier]

well im concerned about all damage

[static glacier]

but i can't slack on titan

[thorn thorn]

Another one for my collection

[static glacier]

ngl i've been high for like

two weeks straight

it's become a meme in my guild

[balmy condor]

but the rest of the platform is just whatever, no?

[tawdry halo]

there it is

man's cooking while cooked

[static glacier]

there's set people focused on aoe, but if i can crank it can't hurt

either way im assuming ct on 2 sucks ass

[balmy condor]

[tawdry halo]

CT would be relevant for like

a small part of the fight

then its wasted talent point

[balmy condor]

CT for 1/6th of the fight

[static glacier]

ngl I kinda don't know how long you get 2t on myth, if it's the same as hero or not

should probably watch an entire kill

jsut watched p1 / intermission

[tawdry halo]

isnt fatebound better / the same for 2T?

[jade abyss]

We use boths shivs for the second kb with fb?

[humble verge]

idk if ure replying to me on purpose now or what

[tawdry halo]

1 shiv for non DM KB

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/i-gif-17550168612388842309

[balmy condor]

I mean

[balmy condor]

you don't get any more 2t than you do on heroic right

you just have like a longer pre-amp

so like okay maybe 20 seconds more

gg I guess

+1 CT cast

[static glacier]

you better watch out before i ct this channel until we get bug fixes

[jade abyss]

Thank you was raiding today the first time with fb and it was feeling weird.

[static glacier]

wait i have the realest cook

look what I got today

time to join loktark and that other outlaw with saladbar ol kills

actually

upon examining how much dmg they did

i think this one's burnt too

since i am nowhere near as good as lok at OL

and he did wack dmg anyway

[balmy condor]

@reef cobalt goat kill btw

grats

[jade abyss]

Idk there was no moment on dimensius first phase where i was able to use non dm kb. When it was rdy i got to fly up or we had to stack to dont get devoured

[chilly marsh]

you guys doing m+ is Fractillus trinket that good?

[balmy condor]

yes

[jade abyss]

And his hitbox is small af?

[chilly marsh]

would you replace a mythic lilly with it? dropped now and i might need it xD

[balmy condor]

definitely

[chilly marsh]

but not wantign to be that asshole having good trinekt already

[balmy condor]

lily kinda blows in m+

[chilly marsh]

dam lost the roll but will keep a eye for it now

[jade abyss]

Prism would be so nice

[waxen oyster]

idk if hc prism is better

[balmy condor]

I would be surprised if it wasn't

[cyan lily]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-dog-hug-dog-question-mark-dog-question-mark-gif-14144426802562365039

[marsh fjord]

My hc prism is better then lily

i simmed it 10 minutes ago

( lily is mythic)

[coral ibex]

what ilvl is your prism

710?

or 704

[marsh fjord]

yes

710

i was checking it because i did soulbinder with lily mythic

instead of HC prism

[coral ibex]

i only have a 704 prism to work with

my sims always have me on 723 lily + 704 pace

for fb st

[marsh fjord]

yeah

for FB my lily also sims better

then my 710

but i was talking about DS

[coral ibex]

oh like for m+ or specifically soulbinder

[marsh fjord]

Yeah.

because previosuly people were talking about DS

and i was like testing if indeed prism was better in DS then my mythic lily. and it is

[neat rain]

Is momentum of despair still bugged?

like doesn't work at all?

[marsh fjord]

pins

[neat rain]

reading rn

[woven frost]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[coral ibex]

o neat

dslice prefers the 704 prism over a 723 lily

thats kinda wild

[marsh fjord]

yeah

thats what mine also said

[coral ibex]

i also have a 704 forge tho

i didnt include that

[marsh fjord]

yeah i dont 😄

[coral ibex]

gonna run those numbers

you feel me

[marsh fjord]

I feel you

big guns

[balmy condor]

1:30 trinket bad on a 2 min spec

big if true

[marsh fjord]

yeah i just didnt reall think of it

[coral ibex]

are you mocking me

are you calling me monkey?

[balmy condor]

I would never

[coral ibex]

i equip item level, and you're laughing?

[balmy condor]

[coral ibex]

honestly i just dont sim dslice bc im too impatient

that shit takes too long

1000 patchwerk 5m sims tho

[rigid fable]

how much mastery yall have?

m+ i mean

[coral ibex]

idk like 22k or something

[pliant remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-mad-rock-cute-squint-eyes-gif-1527158283964677241

[humble verge]

i did a 1800 combo patchwerk that took me 12 mins

[pliant remnant]

[coral ibex]

how do i fix the bug where mutilate is just permanently swapped to ambush so its unusable

[coral ibex]

i rebooted the game and its fine

but that is so aids

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/pretty-cat-pretty-girl-cat-dance-cat-girl-cat-wig-gif-11261174696631285231

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/chud-chudjak-wojak-soyjak-marcvin5-gif-13903021270190271130

[static glacier]

Here’s a fun tidbit

Prism scales harder with ilvl than lily

[marsh fjord]

because of it gives main stat right?

[static glacier]

Main stat scales harder with ilvl on trinks than secondaries and prism has almost all its power budgeted into mainstat on use

[coral ibex]

ye it has no passive stat

very stronk

[errant swallow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[waxen oyster]

”akshually it has a damage proc too”

[nova kelp]

SCALES!

SCALES ALERT!

[waxen oyster]

I love soulhunters

waiting for healers to do the job they signed up to do

[ripe sphinx]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[frozen iris]

Power went out and before that we had to do heroic/alt run night due to call outs on mythic..

Feels bad

[oak tangle]

I’m waiting for my ranged and sometimes even some melee dps on soul hunters to place the hunt on the bosses but inevitably it goes out to the other side of the arena and they wonder why they die cause no one soaked

[coral ibex]

i just aoe blinded the whole raid while i was mc'd on NK

[main bridge]

awesome

[cunning needle]

based

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/im-not-even-mad-thats-amazing-gif-11382871

[oak ember]

When using fatebound with 4p, after burst when vanish doesn't line up anymore do we just save it until it lines up again?

[nova kelp]

you'll miss it on your next DM yeah
hold it till the 3rd

[short pond]

is there any bug on simc right now? fatebound(tails) dps in simc looks much higher than actual dps

[balmy condor]

no

[short pond]

thx

[proper pendant]

Idk if this the place for it but, I used to CE raid in Legion and did well but right now in TWW I am struggling and not sure where to look. Is it possible for someone to look at my logs and help me out? Or just useful info to help me find my way

[main bridge]

you can link them here. WCL also has a nice compare function you can use to compare with better logs and see what you're doing differently

[oak ember]

In keys my overall is good but my boss dmg seems to be around tank level. Is that normal?

[main bridge]

if you are literally doing tank damage something is wrong

[oak ember]

Not literally but the dps are doing around 3.5m st and I'm at around 2.5-2.7

is the spec garbage at st when running deathstalker or is it just me

[main bridge]

it's not the best but it's also possible you are making mistakes

[proper pendant]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rKzV9yGNfg1qtPXn?fight=25&type=damage-done&source=11 I will also try to use the log compare option available. Ty @main bridge

[coral ibex]

the spec just does bad pure ST damage in bleed build

the tradeoff is omega funnel and perma aoe

pull mobs into bosses or suffer

[nova kelp]

wtb spatter funnel

but whispyr won't pipe up and call his blizz dev friends to get them to fix it

https://tenor.com/view/ugh-gif-5621610198334958462

[thorn thorn]

@fallow canopy

[proper pendant]

Looks like I'm dropping envenom buff. Do I just try to maintain 2 stacks or just maintain the buff as best I can

[fallow canopy]

[main bridge]

it's not something you really have to think about if you're doing the rotation correctly because you're constantly using finishers, including envenom

[balmy condor]

the envenom buff is not something we play around

[green oasis]

so feel free to call me stupid but need some help I am top dps for my raid team avg about 3.5-3.8m wondering if dropping some of my mastery for vers will help that at all. attached is my current stats just want to try to get some help to fix it

[balmy condor]

you sim yourself

no one can answer that for you

trust the clanker

[proper cosmos]

you just have to close the discord server, problem solved

[green oasis]

will try that whispyr thanks

[vale fox]

would we be better to craft a ring or neck piece come this week

im thinking since we get ring off M plexus its maybe better to get a neck pice?

or jut craft ring + pleus ring beats Neck craft

[vale fox]

he's not wrong

but we're not gonna listen

XD

[cunning needle]

💯

also craft whatever will give you the biggest stat upgrade within the next 2 weeks

don't craft like you are in week 10

craft like you are in week 6

[vale fox]

makes sense

i should craft a prism

most likely

but ill get it in vault so no need

[cunning needle]

craft a prism???

what is this tech

[marsh fjord]

hahahahahaha

this discord is so fucking cooked sometimes

its like everyone is using a different substance

[coral ibex]

man nk p1

thats something

my guild is experiencing

[fallow canopy]

yea

prob the hardest part

[marsh fjord]

Your also progging p1 now?

Whispyr is also

[coral ibex]

i mean we should be progging the platforms

been there multiple times

but just having soak and ghost issues

[marsh fjord]

Ohhh

[oak tangle]

my heroic guild still drops claws in melee

😢

[coral ibex]

get to here > people get MC'd and die > pull is over

[fallow canopy]

papi chulo spotted

[cunning needle]

i sure love it when the arcane mage decides to still channel arcane missiles during the ghosts

and gets mc'd

again

for the 9th time in the night

the ghosts are so free as well you need to be actively not looking at them to not proc it

like you could be facing there and it'd still be fine

[oak tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/looks-around-cat-what-wait-what-say-what-gif-4426648037839198942

this ur arcane mage?

[haughty flicker]

progging araz

guild decided to swap to the strat where you put adds behind void puddles instead of knocking them into them

spent all night getting my cds entirely fucked as sub by getting add spawn on me

last pull swap to fatebound

immediately get the tier bug

[earnest remnant]

tell them to look at their ghosts hear that helps a ton

[coral ibex]

really my main issue

is the "animation change"

to the ghosts

on tuesday

is so ass

monday

since tuesday

[earnest remnant]

made it easier to spot them without focusing too much on them imo

[coral ibex]

no way

huge black smoke bomb on them

vs bright white swirly

i hate it

hate hate hate hate hate

[cunning needle]

its so much better now?

[coral ibex]

[earnest remnant]

he is cooked

too much assa playing

it is what it is

[cunning needle]

true

this is what playing assi does to a person

dont do ass guys

[coral ibex]

you can't tell me a black smoke bomb is easier to pick out vs a bright white swirly

no shot

[cunning needle]

yes

[earnest remnant]

in contrast

yeh

[cunning needle]

thats exactly what im telling you

the smoke bomb also helps to tell you which order

[coral ibex]

just let me cope

[earnest remnant]

2v1

we win

outnumbered bozo

[coral ibex]

im coooooooping

[fallow canopy]

3v1

[coral ibex]

and idk about the smoke bomb order bit im looking at this replay and both ghosts are smoke bombed in the 2 set

[rigid fable]

i saw a lot of rogue running more crit then mastery in raid fatebound is that good?

[balmy condor]

fatebound is crit > mast, yes

[acoustic kite]

On loom rogues just don’t swap right? Hardly any damage and the adds usually come up during cds

[ebon glade]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[balmy condor]

Correct

[sand jewel]

Is this a simbait guys? Droptimizer saying 70k more in St than Antenna.

[lost nexus]

Anyone know why they removed Nezar's special poison? It was nice against slow targets

[sleek night]

Wouldn’t it be good to at least get a quick rupture on the add for the additional energy?

[balmy condor]

I mean maybe like once or twice I guess if it lines up

but if you're hitting cooldowns and then leaving the boss to go rupture some tether to get 2 muts worth of energy pack

you're hard trolling

[balmy condor]

whose special poison?

sounds like an elden ring consumable I'm ngl

[solar flax]

Do you guys use single target builds for Streets and Gambit? If so, do you use fatebound?

[cunning needle]

👀

[tight ginkgo]

Zanzil's Slow Poison??

[cunning needle]

ST for gambit???

[cunning needle]

im annoyed the buff goes away when you log off for long enough

[tight ginkgo]

it is a very sad thing

[grim jay]

Stay on bleed or play sub

[balmy condor]

you def play bleed on gambit

gambit is giga aoe

[cunning needle]

wooooo rupturing the little shitty adds only for them to die by the time to start envenom spamming

[grim jay]

The only pulls where I actually target swap to rupture

So I can atleast guarantee some good ruptures

[cunning needle]

sounds smart

and well thought out

i definitely dont do that

[nova gust]

changing targets for optimization? heresy!

[balmy condor]

I also definitely don't do that

cannot be fucked

just cast +1 rupture

[nova gust]

did we time it? i did everything correctly
did we not time it? other people should get good

[cunning needle]

if im first on damage and not last on kicks. it's everyone elses fault except mine

[main bobcat]

Real

[nova gust]

that's almost too based

[desert moss]

I did my first heroic raid with the guild as assa yesterday. I did okay on ST fight even if I need more casts of Envenom, I tend to get max CP before casting it instead of just 5.
When I compare my logs with other rogues with better parse on fights with adds like Loomithar/Naaz, I see that I tend to have the same number of garrote but less rupture. Do we just rupture the adds for energy (what I am not really doing because they got destroyed so I was focusing on boss)?

[cunning needle]

loomithar is an adds fight?

i mean

i guess it has tangles

[desert moss]

you need to kill the adds to remove the link so not really adds yeah

I suppose that's what they use rupture on. I can check that

[nova gust]

I try to rupture without switching targets when tangles are close-ish for some energy, but I told my RL from the very beginning that I'm full-time boss puncher on this fight and thankfully she didn't force me to switch

[cunning needle]

what a nice RL

[nova gust]

I do go after them more actively when I get netted tho

[desert moss]

okay thanks, I really need to get better with extra targets, I don't manage that well at all

[nova gust]

me neither, and playing assa is a good excuse to not even try to

[knotty forge]

How do you proceed on hc king adds

Do u rapture Titan and spam envenoms

Or get Little ones with rapture too

[storm heron]

???

[nova gust]

yeah just caustic them out

I don't have the numbers but rapturing anything else doesn't seem necessary or efficient outside of trying to snipe something for energy

[terse ruin]

simming Dungeon slice for M+ good idea? it loves mastery

or is there a better way to sim for dungeons?

[jovial idol]

Mastery is bis in AoE from what I remember

[balmy condor]

Mastery is pretty good, 90% of your damage in aoe is buffed by mastery

[cunning needle]

dslice is good for rogue

[balmy condor]

Decent stat I think idk

[cunning needle]

100% of your damage in aoe is also buffed by vers though

[balmy condor]

True, except 1% vers requires more stat than 1 mastery point

And 1 mastery point is 1.7% mastery

So that would be an impressive hurdle to get over

[rotund oak]

you think?

[balmy condor]

Educated guess

[cunning needle]

lifes all about getting over hurdles though

dont let them keep you down homie

[balmy condor]

So true

Amen

[rotund oak]

''educated'' as in ''i carry a stupendous amount of backed up criteria in thousands of sims and hundreds of hours testing ''😉

respect on being a humble man

[gaunt sigil]

There is a fine line between sarcasm and being humble

[dense cedar]

#humblebrag

[balmy condor]

And I’m VERY humble

[gaunt sigil]

[balmy condor]

[rotund oak]

its all about the vibes

[runic hinge]

some might say im the most humble man of all time

[rotund oak]

u know

there are many pirates in the pirate channel

saying the same thing

[cunning needle]

okay donald

[balmy condor]

I believe that

[keen sonnet]

hello 😉 i have a question to assasination fate bound single simc. the lateset simc show that thistle tea was consumed automatically when energy below to 30 instead drink it during cooldown(death mask + kingsbane or kingsbane). as i know, should drink thistle tea during cooldown. what is the correct rule for thistle tea?.?

[balmy condor]

Why would you lie about being humble

[runic hinge]

I also would never tell a lie

[rotund oak]

shameless pirates

[severe silo]

Does anyone know how to remove these combo points?

[balmy condor]

It auto-drinks on fatebound because it matters even less than on deathstalker. The shiv macro is not a dps gain or loss, so letting it auto-drink is just as optimal

[golden loom]

search for combo points in plater probably

[balmy condor]

Looks like plater, there’s a setting to show resources on the target

[dense cedar]

plater? more like lamer

[balmy condor]

Plater? I do know her, and she’s a lovely lady

[severe silo]

ty

[keen sonnet]

what I understand, is it okay to say that there isn't a big difference in dps between using it while tied to a poison sword during the cooldown and just drinking it automatically?

[balmy condor]

Correct

[severe silo]

I don't know how the hell it got activated, I never do anything on platter

[balmy condor]

Plater has been doing a lot of strange things

I’ve been getting a lot of complaints about my plater turning on the personal resource display

Even though it doesn’t do that

Some goofy shit happening lately idk

[bleak plume]

Whispyr when will the assa bugs get fixed?

You have a direct line to the mods

[balmy condor]

Yeah let me just speed dial Johnathon Blizzard and ask him

[bleak plume]

Thx

[dense cedar]

I already fixed them

[balmy condor]

Why the fuck do you think I would know that

[dense cedar]

If u still have bugs

its skill issue

[bleak plume]

Cuz your name is purple

[dense cedar]

and you should uninstall

[balmy condor]

Ok,

[red schooner]

Whispyr delays the fixes by a day every time someone asks

[balmy condor]

And having a purple name means I just

[severe silo]

It may be that they are already adding code for the new WoW platter.

[balmy condor]

Snap my fingers

And find out random information?

[red schooner]

Yes

[bleak plume]

That's what I was told yeah

[nova gust]

if you have bugs, please contact you physician

[balmy condor]

I just get to know everything because I’m president of the local book club

Very cool

[sterile swallow]

We have a book club?!

[balmy condor]

This is the book club

[bleak plume]

Can I get an invite to this book club pls

[sterile swallow]

I was not informed I had to read

[balmy condor]

Blizzard could give less than zero shits about a community run discord

[red schooner]

Ravenholdt book club thread in off topic when?

[balmy condor]

Might as well get your grandmother to make a Facebook post about the bugs

Same impact

[bleak plume]

I'm on vacation so not playing the game for another week and a half but when I start playing again, I'd like the bugs fixed Whispyr please

👍

[red schooner]

He said please, gotta do it now

That's the law

[sterile swallow]

Please keep the bugs just to troll people

There counter acted

[dense cedar]

Please DON'T fix the bugs, wispur

[red schooner]

Wait no we're weighted too heavily to one side

[bleak plume]

Nice try teal boys

Sub will never shine

[sterile swallow]

Deathwing just wiped out

[balmy condor]

Are you calling me fat

[dense cedar]

i am sin main usually

[jade abyss]

Yes

[dense cedar]

blue just shows up first

[red schooner]

Nah, you're not allowed to lose your twink status

[red schooner]

Same

I enjoy sub I'm just bad at it and don't dare bring it for prog

[dense cedar]

also maybe just cos of this channel

i associate red names with having bad knowledge of rogue

[red schooner]

[balmy condor]

I try so hard

[dense cedar]

i don't read the sub channel too much so it probably happens a lot there too

[red schooner]

But in the end

It doesn't even matter

I forgot a line of the lyrics

[gaunt sigil]

[dense cedar]

but this is the channel I see people talk about using garrote on cd and suhc other scary things

i don't think garrote on cd is an actual one at least

dunno who would think that's a good idea

[red schooner]

Why is it called bleed build if I'm not using bleeds at every opportunity

I ask of you this

I also run internal bleeding

Because I'm not a coward and commit to the theme

[dense cedar]

internal bleeding should be buffed

to compensate for how awful the irl version of it is

[nova gust]

cause my eyes bleed every time tank pulls more adds just after my carnage ends

[red schooner]

In my ideal world internal bleeding would make sudden demise enemies explode and deal splash damage

[dense cedar]

Blood Beast from Wish

[keen sonnet]

sorry for asking so many questions😭 . Is it because increasing the number of envenom and its damage is more beneficial in terms of dps than using them during cooldown?

[balmy condor]

sure yeah

it's also cause often times forcing things into very specific windows is often a loss

[keen sonnet]

👍🏻 👍🏻

[zenith elm]

i just did a top 100 on fractillus yesterday, i'm glad 😄

[dense cedar]

next up: top 1

u can do it

[zenith elm]

no i cant

but thanks for the motivation haha

[drifting cloud]

kill nexus king as assa top100 guaranteed

[zenith elm]

No thank you

i wanna help my raid not actively troll them 🥲

[golden loom]

wouldnt say playing assa on it is trolling

[zenith elm]

No but i tried assa on forge

seeing as it seemed ok

and our raid doesnt dps adds a lot, so i needed to explode them, which sub did better

[fringe hare]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[buoyant herald]

Ooo that’s a good one I’m saving that for the next fight with the missus

[shell plaza]

we had too many AoE guys on our kill, so assa felt ok 😄

[normal mist]

You know guys, I'm getting really good at dimensius p1

Couldn't say the same about P2 because I never get there

[zenith elm]

P1 on mythic ??

damn

[normal mist]

Brother it's me

The casual guy

Ofc I'm talking heroic

[zenith elm]

Oh

still good for the sixth week btw

care to send logs so we can judge why it isnt working ?

[grim jay]

Ive been dodging heroic last 2 on my rogue since week 1

Still didnt get hero prism

[zenith elm]

yeah it fucks up our vault

[grim jay]

[zenith elm]

i didnt either

i'm not glad 🥲

[grim jay]

Its kinda funny not having them

But having mythic kills

[oak tangle]

I’m dodging all mythic and also not killing last boss in heroic

[grim jay]

First vaultslot for mythic is pretty fire if you dont want the other kills

Chance for m antenna is decently high

[oak tangle]

I’d have to search for a pug group / login though

[zenith elm]

first 4 are good for assa

even more if we are talking about M+

[oak tangle]

Besides I think one of my aotc guilds is thinking about some mythic prog after we get aotc

[normal mist]

I've had 3 prisms HC in my bag already

Gave them away

[zenith elm]

I HATE YOU

WHAT

NO

[oak tangle]

I’m still rocking week 1 champ prism

[normal mist]

Yeah

[zenith elm]

you can't do that

[normal mist]

Tbf 1 of them was to a sub rogue

So it's still between homies

[oak tangle]

We had a heroic one drop this week, I didn’t win the roll

[red schooner]

As long as you're looking after the homies it's fine

[normal mist]

1 other was basically stolen btw

Guy asks me if I can trade him so he can sim (I didn't judge maybe he didn't know how to use raids bots better) and never trade me back

And I ended up forgetting about it until the next day

[oak tangle]

Do you play poe

[normal mist]

I do not

[oak tangle]

For the best probs

[cunning needle]

hey it's me your guildie, can you trade me 1mill gold so i can sim it?

[bronze pike]

whisployr

im tanking keys again

kill me

all these dps

are such ass

ya its lowkeys i get it but its insane

[cunning needle]

smh so elitist

some of these people work 26 hours a day, 9 days a week

[orchid pewter]

Dont expect dam if you are not premade with known pumpers or in high keys

[cunning needle]

and dont have time to read wowhead

[grim jay]

You can always just not tank

[bronze pike]

[grim jay]

Was doing a 16 priory the other day to help a friend with his resi, there was a destruction wl doing 4m in the first pull

[balmy condor]

he must've forgotten to put on poisons

[grim jay]

He potentially was drinking them beforehand

[zenith elm]

Noice dps

never did better in first pull of priory

[normal mist]

I know exactly what isn't working, it's other people's hands

[fallow sonnet]

how much does mystic help assass rogue

is poisons and shit benefitted from that?

[balmy condor]

yes

[fallow sonnet]

mystic touch from monks*

[balmy condor]

oh

no

just bleeds/melee/mut

anything that's physical is mystic touch

[fallow sonnet]

ok so still pretty good then tho

[balmy condor]

everything else is havoc

[normal mist]

I hate dimensius, I'm gonna kill him once for curve and call it a season

*I hate dimensius because people don't know what to do

Queen all over again

[red schooner]

I'm not looking forward to taking the social raid to dimensius

We've only just got to saladhar

And I already know that's gonna be a clusterfuck

[zenith elm]

How is it going for you @red schooner ?

[red schooner]

For social raid? Got them to 6/8H so far. Its like herding cats though

[zenith elm]

ooooh i thought you were talking about mythic progress for your raid team

[red schooner]

Nah

Mythic we're inting hard on fractilus

Somehow

I don't know how

[zenith elm]

whut

with what mechanic?

did you already do soul hunters .

?*

[red schooner]

People not hitting defensives on the spread bit

[red schooner]

God no

I've asked to be benched for soul hunters

I don't wanna do it

[zenith elm]

why? seems fun

[zenith elm]

it doesnt do any dmg tho?

[red schooner]

That was my thought

Bit the spread happens and people just die

Meanwhile I'm chilling in my corner

[zenith elm]

bc ppl stack then

[static glacier]

I got the sauce for you if you want

You just gota step the boss or someone else, you get like 1-2 globals before the balls reach the boss

You step or sprint the boss of silences make it risky and sectec cds asap

[red schooner]

Yup, I dunno. I have my corner, I wedge myself into the corner and all is well

[cunning needle]

ranged players

[red schooner]

Its the ret paladin somehow

He just

I don't even know

[zenith elm]

but

he got like 7 defensives?

[red schooner]

That don't mean shit if he doesn't use them

[zenith elm]

true

[red schooner]

I just hit feint and I'm vibing.

[zenith elm]

but like, idk how

same brother

did 5M on that boss, i was second, felt like a true boss

[red schooner]

On our best pull I was on 5m and I'm never hitting those highs again

[spring pike]

finally got mythic netherprism, sims use it as a 1:30 trinket, should we just send it with deathmark? expect fights with damage amp i guess

[red schooner]

I thought the rule of thumb was to bind it to vanish

But I dunno I'm netherprismless

I am but a simple lily enjoyer

[spring pike]

well me too but i saw that whispyr is using as a 1:30 :x

[zenith elm]

same brother

if there isnt a dmg amp

use it as 1.30

if there is a dmg amp, stay use until the 3 min before dmg amp

[buoyant herald]

assuming patchwerk with no amp it's like a <1% increase to use as a 3min with vanish

[warm vortex]

Wonder if Assa will go a month without the bugs being fixed

[buoyant herald]

already has

[spice surge]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[warm vortex]

Not first time no

Feels like every patch has Assa like this

Or rogue in some aspect

[static glacier]

its normally the other specs

sin is less bug prone than the others which isn't saying much all 3 are bugged as hell usually

[balmy condor]

What does “less bug prone” even mean

[umbral summit]

I finally managed to replace my Heroic House of Cards with a Netherprism, is there a TL;DR for its use case in raids and m+?

[warm vortex]

Less prone to bugs

[balmy condor]

Every 3 min on fb, with deathmark on deathstalker or if lazy, in all conditions it’s possible to minmax for big pulls/damage amps, etc

[static glacier]

as in it tends to have spells that bug out less for some reason

[balmy condor]

[static glacier]

the amount of bugs that just existed for like 1+ year o the other specs

its crazy

maybe bc we have a bigger playerbase bugs are given higher prio, idk

[balmy condor]

Okay then

[static glacier]

or we're just easier to fix

[sharp viper]

rogues? the class within the lowest 3 played?

[midnight atlas]

man, the lucky coin desyncing my cds more than intended is so stupid.
they could've just made the 4set a baseline of CD reduction for dm and kb

[static glacier]

talking about sin vs sub / ol

we tend to get bugs fixed faster

[main bobcat]

Yeah yeah yeah buddy sure man go back to pressing flamestrike

[spring prawn]

xdd

[static glacier]

pyro incoming to ur kitchen, be careful

[main bobcat]

It's getting kinda cold here too

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-mage-tim-the-enchanter-fireball-pyroblast-holy-grail-gif-21014600

[subtle tundra]

bugges fixed?

ass \metA?

[red schooner]

Yeah but only if you return to the game

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-gif-20369681

[zenith elm]

come back friend

[onyx pond]

what can kill you if you go left side on psf? Lately i have been dying there but i used to not have that issue.

[zenith elm]

shield on miniboss

as assa be careful about sending CD on this boss if you dont have a cloack

cloak*

[onyx pond]

can u purge it with bf racial?

cloak is 5 secs so i could die after that

[rotund oak]

sub and bugs very familiar with each other

so familiar fuu has a spreadsheet

[vestal wren]

eleem created and maintains the sheet