assassination

[thorn thorn]

[viscid spear]

[visual sun]

[outer adder]

Is there a target for stat breakpoints? I'm sitting at 12k Crit but running Idol and Antenna with council's guile.

[humble verge]

im being clowned in sub

i have used radiant this whole time

not knowing its recommended to use the secondary stat weapon enchants

[fallow canopy]

[barren yarrow]

on wcl, how do you see your timeline again? like second by second ability usage

[earnest remnant]

timelines

and casts

[barren yarrow]

perfect ty

[balmy condor]

No, just sim

[waxen oyster]

[balmy condor]

👏

[earnest remnant]

u raiding tnite?

[balmy condor]

No, I’m bowling like shit instead

[brazen garden]

Is there a bug tracker for Assassination like in the subtlety channel?

[balmy condor]

Just the list in the pins

[brazen garden]

thanks

[granite sentinel]

blizzard thinks rogue is fine
bugs fine too

[balmy condor]

I mean the bugs are mostly inconsequential

fatebound is annoying

[unborn rain]

dear realz,

[balmy condor]

But like

[granite sentinel]

when your 100 sin parse looks like 80 hunter parse it's not looking good

[waxen oyster]

Nah 30% nerf

unplayable

[balmy condor]

It’s not like we’re doing shit damage because of bugs

In raids we’re doing more than intended on 6/8 fights

You’ll live

[brazen garden]

it's not the bugs that make the class grainy to play

[sly spoke]

why are we still wasting our times with this god forsaken spec

[granite sentinel]

i'm bottoming my guild details, doing 98+ parses. rogue deserves better

[sly spoke]

mass reroll sub shut down the cord

[waxen oyster]

isnt sub worse at pure st

[scarlet orbit]

we have litterly a spec which is called sub who else should be bottoming details?

[balmy condor]

🤨

On some dogass wipe log or what

[sly spoke]

assa worse at everything eta gg

[waxen oyster]

we’re kind of like not on details until execute

ike last tier

[scarlet orbit]

im not on details because i somehow play way worse then last season

[granite sentinel]

fucking furry warrior beat my ass on fract feels so annoying

[thorn thorn]

Furry warrior

Show log

[waxen oyster]

isnt fury one of the best st specs rn

[scarlet orbit]

it is

just the classic hotfix with no post which made them overnight alot better

[waxen oyster]

oh im aware how it works

my warrior at 700 eq sims like 4.9 patchwerk

nice spec

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[scarlet orbit]

And im here trying to get my warri to play slayer instead of the other hero talent on m council 🙂

[waxen oyster]

why would he not

its less braincells to play

[scarlet orbit]

He is a bit special ^^ he only plays it in pure singletarget even if its now better even in other content

[half moss]

- /-

[granite sentinel]

sin fine

[zinc galleon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[zinc galleon]

Hey all, watched our dear leaders 3 hour video (THANK YOU for doing that) and some data is muddled in my brain... do we want to Envenom with 5+ or hold out for 7 if we won't overcap?

[fringe spear]

Bottom 2 got buffs, competing for last place maybe?

[runic hinge]

Where feral buffs

[buoyant herald]

As fatebound just send at 5+

Coin is love, coin is life

[zinc galleon]

kk

thank you

[rotund oak]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-raccoon-dancing-dancing-fat-raccoon-dance-gif-20945326

[formal pewter]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[marsh ferry]

checking logs for dimensius burn phase. is there any reason not to garrote before mutilate?

[hoary acorn]

Hi guys, juanchio again. Quick question. Wich build should be the most viable for raiding? I used to be the top dps on my guild but so far im the lowest. Trying my best to figure out whats going on. I read Sub is now the default raiding spec.

Thats correct?

BTW im Assa+Deathstalker

[oak tangle]

fatebound on single target

[hoary acorn]

Sub+Fate or Ass+Fate?

[balmy condor]

Sub can’t play fatebound

Assassination plays fatebound on all fights except soulbinder

[oak tangle]

sub plays trickster in all content

[hoary acorn]

Hahaha my apologies what i meant is should I stay ass or switch? Fatebound seems fun never tried before but all aim for Sub+tricks on what i found.

[oak tangle]

that's up to you

i personally swap, but there are others who dont and it's fine

[hoary acorn]

Yeah thats what i was gathering. I feel frustrated. My rotation aint perfect but not bad. And today my DPS was a bit above tanks. And no idea why.

[hoary acorn]

I think i will. Its being a while since i played sub. And used to love that spec.

[oak tangle]

same reasoning for me

[hoary acorn]

Thanks so much for the comments. Means a lot to know im not alone on the confussion.

[balmy condor]

You’ve not played Fatebound this patch?

[hoary acorn]

Not at all. Stayed to DS since i love the rotation and feel of it.

But seems like I should either learn fatebound or switch to Sub.

On m+ im doing fine with Assa+DS

[balmy condor]

well, there’s your problem

[oak tangle]

the learning for fb is rather simple, and gives you a 1:30 timer on your cd's

[balmy condor]

Deathstalker is ~17% behind Fatebound in single target

[hoary acorn]

With t4 bonus, right?

[oak tangle]

yup

[honest anchor]

idk what to take
mainly playing m+
soleahs seems to sim better but idk about m+ sims

[oak tangle]

what do you currently have

and what are the other options

[honest anchor]

hc prism and pacemaker is on the left

[oak tangle]

cause i dont think you want a new trinket

[honest anchor]

only 2 viable options are the trinkets

[oak tangle]

socket angle

belt for later is good too

[honest anchor]

3. slot is boots and i have hc soul hunter and i already have the raid belt

[somber fractal]

anyone else on mythic nexus king. something about that fight makes the 4 piece bug out like every other pull

[oak tangle]

on myth track though?

[honest anchor]

yes

[oak tangle]

then socket

could always sim for any upgrades

[balmy condor]

It bugs every other pull for me regardless of boss, teach me your ways

[oak tangle]

i've had the bug on frac and plexus

oddly after i shifted my vanish placement

the plexus one was with kb only, not dm

[balmy condor]

I’ve given up trying to understand the bug

[oak tangle]

ok, no it was on dm too kek

i wonder if wcl can make a filter for bugged cd's

[somber fractal]

it feels different on that fight for some reason. like im popping on cd in p1 but they are always at different timings going into intermission

normally the bug happens like 1/5 pulls maybe on other bosses

[cyan lily]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[jolly stirrup]

Really? I thought Forgeweaver and Soulhunters also?

[marsh fjord]

your playing fatebound on council boss?

[marsh fjord]

nah forgeweaver is FB

mark is bugging out on pillars

[honest anchor]

sim says this both trinkets and belt upgraded to 723
dungeon slice

[oak tangle]

you should do one with an extra socket

does socketted belt = more than soleah

[honest anchor]

guess i should also disable some raid buffs

[balmy condor]

I forget that’s a boss lowkey, but yes that’s also deathstalker

[coral ibex]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtlety.

[fading kite]

chat how much crit and mastery % should I have? cus I feel I'm not doing enough dmg for like +10 mythic keys, maybe I am a bit high on mastery and a bit low on crit? or just a skill issue

[versed saddle]

Not far off from me and overall +10 Floodgate i did 5.6Mil

[balmy condor]

Secondaries on assassination are very close in general

Crit > mast is a rough guideline but we’re just interested in item level for the most part

Well, mast > crit for m+

But same shit

[jagged niche]

when do I wanna use Lily when doing M+? the 1:30cd is awkward opposed to being in fatebound which lines up perfectly

[jolly stirrup]

Dont you use Forge in M+?

[jagged niche]

i dont have forge yet

[balmy condor]

Always with deathmark

[jagged niche]

but I thought i wanted prism(which i alr have)+antenna?

[versed saddle]

With DM up or when you vanish and about to Ambush to reapply?

[jagged niche]

according to

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

You could technically make the argument to just use it at the start of a pull instead but it would desync from your deathmark and then get really yucky

[jolly stirrup]

I also want to ask if its worth to craft something? Everything is 704, hands are champ 8/8

[jagged niche]

yea this is what ive been doing

[balmy condor]

Vanish to reapply for what

[runic hinge]

Deathmark not deathstalkers mark

[versed saddle]

oops

getting 2 confused its late

[runic hinge]

No worries I got you

[balmy condor]

Yeah that shit might be like 0.x% better or whatever but good fucking luck playing that perfectly and then re-syncing it for bosses

[jagged niche]

exactly haha

[balmy condor]

That shits borderline inhuman

[runic hinge]

Just like me fr

[loud light]

surely the big ST things will be exactly 6 minutes apart

[sly ginkgo]

I heard that the disc belt might not be as good as it once was,. Did it change yesterday? It is still up to 710 ilvl or less? thanks. I got the H bis belt last night

[jagged niche]

also, gear optimization/minmaxing question:

i get that raid = crit>mas and m+ = mas>crit,

so:

do i want to gear up for two different equipment sets if i dont want to keep buying enchantment/gem replacements? or just have the best(worst) of both worlds and go for hybrid mastery/crit ench/gems?

what are you guys doing

[runic hinge]

It’s getting nerfed with the 10.2.5 patch. So not yet.

[runic hinge]

I gear for raid and just send it the same here in m+ til raid is over. And then I might swap some gems and stuff

[loud light]

laziest is just pick which thing you care the most about and gear for that. one step above that, keep some extra pieces in another gear set with trinkets, rings, etc. since those will swing your stats in one fell swoop

[golden loom]

yesterday was a very good day

[loud light]

these are very small % differences at the end of the day

[balmy condor]

If you’re super min-maxing, yes, you would technically want two sets. But it’s really not that necessary

Like generally you’ll find more gains just equipping your highest ilvl

Once you’re full 723’s then okay

Sure

Fuck it, get a second set

[jagged niche]

gotcha, thanks

[golden loom]

you can already swing ur secondaries pretty hard by swapping cloak gem

[cunning needle]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[zenith elm]

Hello fellow rogues

i'm tired but at work already, i wanna die

[main bridge]

just vanish

[zenith elm]

Wish i could

[jade abyss]

vanish or backstab your boss and become new company owner

[oak tangle]

i feel like if you backstab your boss, you might have to vanish from the law anyway

[jade abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-the-law-gif-23135062

it has to look like a accident

[zenith elm]

hum

i'm in the pew pew governement industry

i aint trying to become the chief of armed forces guys

so idk about backstabbing my boss

[kindred imp]

how come rogues play DS on Soulbinder instead of FB with CS? The adds are dying so fast its like they are not even there (on mythic)

[balmy condor]

The fight is a 2min timer

And deathstalker does infinite more aoe than fatebound

[waxen oyster]

ds is a better aoe tree

plain and simple

[golden loom]

this shit hurts my soul tho

[balmy condor]

Fatebound is ahead by 17-18% in single target, once you get to 3ish targets, Fatebound is equal or slightly worse

[waxen oyster]

wow fatal intent coming in hot

[balmy condor]

[oak tangle]

it would only double it's dps tho

still less than amp poison

[ebon glade]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[knotty forge]

Why I do my rotation same

Opener same to a T

And im in first 50 sec either 3th or 5th

Assa Ramps up later?

I recently started to put more attention to details and its hard to tell if i do good rotation or not cuz im max 3th either way and all in our guild are 711ilvl

+-

[tawdry halo]

Natural spec variation

Just because of rng you might do slightly more or less damage each pull, and so will your guildies

[runic hinge]

just wait until execute

[vale fox]

whats your rotation in M+ on those super big pulls?

do yall try to dot everything or just around 8-9 targets and the rest caustic spatter?

[knotty forge]

Whats bigger dps on nexus add phase

Instant single target with maybe two adds rapture

Or 4-5 raptures and rhen st funnel

[cyan summit]

anyone got tricks macro?

that will always give it to the tank

[cunning needle]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[cinder bobcat]

what build would you go for hardmode for sin?

[delicate trench]

I think you can freely change talents in this dun

so you can full aoe for packs and fb st for bosses

[pastel roost]

Quick question guys, i'd like a reminder. How are we supposed to play ST encounter in bleed build in M+ ? Do we just apply bleed and let it tick with Sanguine Blades ? De we never envenom or only to darkest night ?

I understand that we are dommed to have a bad ST as bleed but i'd like to do it as best as i can

[balmy condor]

you don't want to be above 150 energy, you play it the same as any other single target

all your damage comes from deathmark

if you don't double shiv + vanish every deathmark window you are simply trolling and losing hundreds of thousands of dps

[pastel roost]

Alright so the biggest impact would be to make sure i have Deathmark and at least 1 vanish for any serious ST encounter rather than trying to pool or anything like it

[balmy condor]

5 ruptures min, can do an extra cast or two depending on what's in the pack. Like if there's shitters that'll die quick or a lot of big targets might want to cast another to make sure you got max scent. Improved garrote on everything, then CT + spatter

[balmy condor]

having deathmark for a boss is a requirement not a suggestion, yes

[pastel roost]

For sure did not want to suggest otherwise,

[balmy condor]

seeing people cast 1 deathmark on a 3:30 boss cause they didn't have it ready

and then bitch about bad ST

makes me irrationally furious

[fluid dust]

I really hope they fix these rogue bugs unironically feels like im doing less damage now than i was in week 1-2

[balmy condor]

I mean that's not true, the bug fixes are more annoying than they are numerical

so

sounds like it's mostly in your head

but yes, bug fixes would be nice

[pastel roost]

Not gonna lie it happened to me sometimes as i learn the dungeon and also because sometime i'm an idiot

[fluid dust]

Y eah its definately more a feeling just dont seem to "pop off" anymore when splattering in keys

[balmy condor]

idk I'm still doing like 30mil on first pull flood/priory

the aoe is really strong

[pastel roost]

I'm curious what is the straight numerical answer to that ? like is there a figure to how much we are losing of dps in a funnel because of bug ? i doubt it's that much but maybe i'm wrong

[sharp viper]

@balmy condor would you be kind enough to share your MRT reminders for manaforge please?

[balmy condor]

singular focus is like 4-6% depending on how much funnel is in the dungeon, lower aoe dungeons obviously less

[honest bane]

Hey just started progging on mythic Loom, now guild told me its a ranged only mechanic but i seem to be baiting htem is this a bug? or is rogue being considered ranged like invokers are as well? seems my DH arent so curious if this a know thign i cant find anything about it tho im sure i could of just missed it

[balmy condor]

baiting what

[sharp viper]

probably the circles on the ground

[honest bane]

circles sorry yes

[balmy condor]

the circles on the ground are just for everyone I'm pretty sure

[fierce sigil]

Yep it happened to me too in raid yesterday

[fluid dust]

Yeah ive had them as melee

[fierce sigil]

Pretty sure its ranged and healer no?

[balmy condor]

nah

[honest bane]

where did you clip that from?

[balmy condor]

baiting circles is crazy though, are you guys actually trying to bait them?

[sharp viper]

I've been told they have a higher probability to spawn under ranged players but dunno if that is true

[cunning needle]

https://discord.gg/u4aybmsw

[balmy condor]

oh god not this shit hole

[sharp viper]

pointless either way

[cunning needle]

[balmy condor]

Circle Jerk Exchange

[cunning needle]

its great content

[sharp viper]

you mean #outlaw ?

[cunning needle]

also known as raid leading elitists

[balmy condor]

that's true yeah

[honest bane]

Yeah guild wants ranged baiting cause people are dumb

[balmy condor]

that's insane

[honest bane]

but it seemed like i was getting them more than anyone else XD

[fluid dust]

whispyr do you hard focus tangles on loom'athar? I've been swapping but even double rupturing and stepping the far one feel like im doing fuck all damage to them

[balmy condor]

hell fucking no

I don't even rupture them

[sharp viper]

people will end up cuddling anyways in p1, no point in dedicated "baiting"

[fluid dust]

Yeah fuck that then

just gonna tell my warlocks to havoc more

[pastel roost]

Would i be trolling if i tried to do Araz as Assa rogues ? We've been progressing 2 night on araz, played Sub because it seemed to be really that better, but right now i wonder if it's even worth it considering i don't have that much experience as sub. Wondering if doing a great job as assa might be better than a mediocre sub one

[honest bane]

idk people were saying they were dieing trying to running out and "bad" baits

[balmy condor]

if manifestation damage is an issue for some reason (it really shouldn't be), sub is by far better

for boss damage, sub is a little better but there's a couple assa parses in the top 50

so like

it's fine

I've played assa on all of our kills

and it's bee totally fine

[cunning needle]

nothing really matters what you play until nexus king

just play what you enjoy

[pastel roost]

I'll try it next time, sub is quite interesting but is kicking my ass if i do a single mistake

[balmy condor]

I mean even on nexus king, assa is probably fine

[cunning needle]

are you gonna assi on nexus king?

be the first public assi log

[balmy condor]

I am

[cunning needle]

based

[sharp viper]

just practice, sub is very strict sticking to a script

[cunning needle]

oh wait there's one assi public log now

[lavish portal]

As Fatebound ?

[balmy condor]

I'd hope to god it's fatebound

deathstalker fucking blows on that fight

[cunning needle]

it is

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qvXD9G1VfnL3B4pA?fight=1&type=damage-done

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's about what I was expecting

assa is totally fine

[sharp viper]

[pastel roost]

We'll see honestly, my guild is a 2 night raiding guild, so not a lot of time to train and progress the boss, assa might be the play even tho it's not as good as sub

[cunning needle]

gotta get your r1 parse somehow

that's how i got mine on soulbinder

[balmy condor]

he even cast his netherprism on the titan

so he didn't have a max stack for the amp

[sharp viper]

If you're the first, you'll always be #1

[normal mist]

You know what isn't fine?
Me doing around 5 million DPS on nexus king and our hunter above me pulling 6M

Just shitting on everyone else

[cunning needle]

ive never hated BM more than i did last night

theyre not even playing the same game

[balmy condor]

oh nvm

he didn't use prism on the titan

yeah this is basically exactly what my prep is for nexus king

except his opener is dogshit

but ya know

what can you do

[red schooner]

Nothing more demoralising than thinking you did good and then seeing your numbers against a highrolling MM hunter

[pastel roost]

Quick question fo Hall of atonement, Are you guys using the Wound poison for the miniboss before last boss and if so are you using the talent to stack 2 more stack of wound poison ?

[balmy condor]

you should take the talent, it doesn't cost you anything

[normal mist]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Cx8v72Dyft3QNMmb?fight=51&type=damage-done
Look at this shit

[balmy condor]

but you only really use wound poison on it in super high keys

like if he's healing 2+ times then it's probably worth

if you're one-banging him or it's just one heal and dead

there's no point

[cunning needle]

[normal mist]

Guy is playing another game

Jesus

[cunning needle]

just high roll and do 20% more damage than everyone else

yeah good game

[vale fox]

so you try to improve garrote the whole pack no matter the size?

[pastel roost]

Last group i did it with in a +13 felt like not having cds on him, so he did heal 2 times...

[oak tangle]

those cd timings look cooked af rip

[balmy condor]

yes

[vale fox]

im talking those first pulls that are huge

[balmy condor]

improved garrote hits like a fucking truck

you should have it on everything

[vale fox]

ok

[balmy condor]

what's the alternative, a shit ass fok?

[vale fox]

but rupture isnt needed on the whole thing?

[balmy condor]

no

[vale fox]

ok

[balmy condor]

improved garrote does more than a rupture would

rupture is there for scent of blood

[vale fox]

so basically get like 9 ruptures maybe and the rest IG and Spatter

[normal mist]

His high rolls are every fight to be honest xD he has better overall score than me

[oak tangle]

actually no, that dm probs goes hard into titan

[balmy condor]

9 is pushing it, but sure yah

[balmy condor]

that's what I been sayin

[oak tangle]

im too used to heroic where it'd be dead by then

[vale fox]

ok i see

so you dont care about rupture dmg just the agility buff

thanks

[balmy condor]

correct

rupture is scent of blood, energy

and that's it

[vale fox]

i was trying to put IG and Rupture on everything before going to spatter

[cunning needle]

damn he pumping

[normal mist]

He's really good

[cunning needle]

except araz, must have low rolled that

[normal mist]

We love him

[vale fox]

im guessing you throw CT after the initial dotting and then go out to IG everything right?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[pastel roost]

Are you doing all the boss in assa, because " fuck sub" or is it because you're the " assassination guy". .. or both ? :p

[balmy condor]

I mean it's a combination of I can't be fucked learning sub, but also I don't see the point

[oak tangle]

does it cook your dm into amp phase, or is that delayed om mythic too

[pastel roost]

Based

[balmy condor]

the amp is 4:30

[oak tangle]

so you lose abotu 10s of amp

[balmy condor]

what

[oak tangle]

old mates logs, doesnt get dm till 4:40

[balmy condor]

I mean sure but your entire kb fits in the amp

the amp is 30

[oak tangle]

ah

oh shiet

that's giga

4:40 is 35% on amp phase

[balmy condor]

nice

yeah idk

people keep telling me sub is so much better

like my stream chat was cooking me for playing assa on araz

and I'm like guys

[oak tangle]

i mean on heroic yes, purely cause shit doesn't live long enough

[balmy condor]

it's literally fine

and then first kill, top boss damage

second kill, top boss damage, second overall

and I'm like

?????

do I really need to play sub?

[runic hinge]

I’m cooking you just cause

[balmy condor]

fatebound and sub are both 1:30 burst specs

sub just pads harder and has a higher peak

idk

[cunning needle]

adds need to die! its not pad!

[balmy condor]

the claims of assa's death are greatly exaggerated

[hearty seal]

yea I kinda hoped it'd pay off during dragon and platform phases, but it doesn't do jack

[oak tangle]

you are blinded by ravenholdt whispyr

[balmy condor]

so true

I'm blinded by the class discord that is full of people I scream at and disagree with 24/7

[cunning needle]

blinded by rage

maybe whispyr was a warrior main all along

[neat shell]

i think our bugs will get fix next expansion

[cunning needle]

i think we'll get new bugs next expansion

freshly cooked out of the oven

[neat shell]

trueeeee

[balmy condor]

I think assa is fun and will enjoy playing the spec I love

[golden loom]

had a bugfree pretty highroll 6% fract wipe into a bugged mess of a pull right after to kill it

I actually love playing fatebound so much when its working

like I love it on araz

and then when it bugs I want to never log in again

[neat shell]

i love sin rogue but its getting bad each time with bugs

makes me cry on the corner

and why we have bad st dmg in mythic + while other classes do aoe and st at the same time

fix that shit too thx

[balmy condor]

I love sin rogue and the only bug I notice is the fatebound cdr and I don't care

I just line it up with cold blood and move on with my life

[golden loom]

yeah same

[neat shell]

i do that too when its bugged

[golden loom]

but then when u get the bug

where u dont get CDR

[cunning needle]

you were just at bargaining

dw you are almost at the end

[neat shell]

bro i lapped this table so many times

dw

[cunning needle]

acutally no maybe it was denial

[neat shell]

xd

[cunning needle]

with bugs being fixed next expansion

[neat shell]

i know where iam at that table

[cunning needle]

[golden loom]

on fractillus you also have infinite time and brainpower to focus on being tilted at tier set

cause nothing happens

[normal mist]

Yesterday on nexus king we actually managed to kill the fucking dragon on the amp phase

And it was lovely

[red schooner]

Feign a DC

[ripe sphinx]

not ashamed to say i’ve done this….

[red schooner]

I haven't done it yet but I was sorely tempted when it happened back to back

[unique aspen]

Yo lads i would like a help ;d
what would u pick in this situation?

Atm i use HC peace maker & Lily

for M+ Purposes ofc

[orchid pewter]

Sim it

Prism probably best tho

[unique aspen]

I am terrible when it comes to simming ;d

[orchid pewter]

just take the prism xd

[ripe sphinx]

“bro my game crashed wtf”

knowing i just fucked up my opener

[vale fox]

Yo what would be the next crafted item? A neck or ring maybe?

[real pike]

whatever you got unlucky with

[vale fox]

Guess that’s about right

[jagged niche]

sim is saying that vers/mas gems are the best for dps in dungeon slice..?

[balmy condor]

reasonable

[jagged niche]

nice

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fyYisDWVATJWLz5LH6QDZa it's this one, btw

i just believed your wowhead guide more initially hence the skepticism 😄

[balmy condor]

the wowhead guide also says that secondaries are worth jack shit and you should sim yourself cause stats are fluid and everchanging based on the rest of your gear

[jagged niche]

right 😅

thx

[flint trench]

btw is it useful to enchant your off hand?

[stable sinew]

yes lol

[balmy condor]

having extra stats is good yeah

[urban surge]

Hey, I'm debating with myself, when I'm sending CDs
Shiv > DM > KB
When do I re-shiv? For the last 7s of DM or last 7s of KB?

[strange onyx]

kb

[balmy condor]

last 7 of dm

you shiv right after the first shiv drops

there is no point in waiting for the end of kingsbane

you simply lose out on shiv uptime during deathmark, which is troll

[urban surge]

There's a gap between shiv drop and 7s left on DM though

[rustic zealot]

isnt better to wait for max stacks on kingsbane?

[balmy condor]

doesn't matter

when the first shiv drops, you shiv again

[spice surge]

You are already at max stacks

[balmy condor]

you reach max stacks in 3-4 seconds

[urban surge]

So not even 7s left, just send

[balmy condor]

yes

you want the second shiv to cover deathmark

as long as the entire duration of the second shiv is within deathmark

I don't really care when you cast it

but you want to have the shiv uptime during deathmark

[urban surge]

Alright, thanks for clarifying

[balmy condor]

np

[urban surge]

Love the amount of work you do Whispyr :)

[grim jay]

#uncapKB #makeKBgreatagain

[rustic zealot]

on some bosses like Fractillus i guess it's a little bit rng with shitty parries

[grim jay]

Most of the kb stacks are due to your auto attacks

Cant get delayed that much

[rustic zealot]

like for me on last night fracti i've got max stacks on opener when kb had 8 sec left

[bitter trout]

QQ - do we maintain Garrote during KB/DM?

[balmy condor]

during deathmark?

I can't believe that

[bitter trout]

Like our Garrote in opner falls off do we reapply during the DM/KB or do we wait till it's over?

[red schooner]

Yeah

Death mark doubles bleeds

[bitter trout]

yeye fair cool

[red schooner]

We want bleeds on target

[rustic zealot]

nevermind i'm stupid, i'm still tracking to 100 stacks 😄

[balmy condor]

nevermind i'm stupid, i'm still tracking

fixed that for you

what is the point of tracking it at all

[red schooner]

I like seeing numbers

Even if they mean nothing

[balmy condor]

[grim jay]

People like having insane wa setups where half of them dont serve a purpose

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-what-the-fuck-wtf-matrix-the-matrix-blink182-gif-11308275628706487257

[rustic zealot]

The wa for total kingsbane dmg, it's funny to see the records of kingsbane

[balmy condor]

tracking kingsbane stacks might as well just be a fucking swing timer in 2025

[spice surge]

Me when i track alacrity

[grim jay]

I will make a WA that gives my char son goku style hair on kb usage and with every kb stack it changes shape towards the super saiyajin version and adds a shade towards gold

[grim jay]

I actually dont know if I have it probably not, since im just using a modified Whispyr afenar edit.

But I had it for a long time to fill a space

[bitter trout]

Also when we vanish in our opener do we care what the global is that takes us out of stealth?

[golden loom]

my global after vanishing in opener is deathmark

so nope

[bitter trout]

Oh you Vanish after your shiv?

[golden loom]

yeah I have trinket macrod to vanish

so I vanish after shiv before DM to get the coins buffed by my 0 stack prism

[bitter trout]

Ye that's fair

[hexed basalt]

In fatebound you vanish after dm + kb right?

[bitter trout]

As long as it's in the opener it doesn't really matter where

[hexed basalt]

I thought it was important cause of Edge case?

[bitter trout]

My understanding is look at this

[hexed basalt]

Yes and there vanish is after

[balmy condor]

you can cast vanish at any point after that first vanish in the screenshot

[bitter trout]

as long as you vanish anywhere here

[balmy condor]

even before that

you can vanish -> shiv

as long as the next flip is an edge flip

[hexed basalt]

Oh ok

[balmy condor]

so after the first envenom, before the third envenom

[bitter trout]

Hi Whispyr

[balmy condor]

anywhere in that window

[hexed basalt]

Roger

[rotund oak]

based

[rotund oak]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-angry-speaking-head-tuco-squidward-gif-13808874276609302886

[feral mason]

Dont insult pookie

[rotund oak]

https://tenor.com/eN85caNnI91.gif

[peak lake]

Hey Whisp, how do you track the antenna spawn on logs ? I remember u did it for some maths

it's just the diff between thoses 2 ID ?

[spice surge]

yes

[peak lake]

thanks

[balmy condor]

Yes but with the caveat that the combatlog is actually kinda shit about it

And if you want to be fully accurate

You would need to count up the actual buff events by hand

[peak lake]

the count of spawn is correct, but the buff u wanna go event and count right

[balmy condor]

Well yes and no

When you lose a stack it fires an erroneous refresh event

[peak lake]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/knM1hTm9ZWVKBQyb?fight=57&type=auras&target=8&ability=1239641&view=events

[balmy condor]

For god knows what reason

[peak lake]

ye ok i see

this thing

[balmy condor]

Like this would suggest you picked up 4 more than you spawned

Which is obviously stupid

So you would have to go in and manually remove the erroneous triggers from the count

It does this on both spell id’s as well

So this log is actually 17/17

[marble wadi]

can no garrote build still be played

[balmy condor]

Yeh maybe in like streets or dawn or something

Could be okay as a niche thing for boss damage

[dawn seal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LPYXVQWwbrNZc91n?fight=37&type=damage-done&source=295 please roast me

I wanna know why I am not doing better

D:

[peak lake]

sorry i feel stupid, i dont understand the difference between 123941 ID (the blue one) and 1239640 ID (the yellow one) on buff tracker

[balmy condor]

The top one here is the pickup, the bottom one is the spawn

[peak lake]

if i look carefully here https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/knM1hTm9ZWVKBQyb?fight=57&type=auras&target=8&ability=1239641&view=events

i pickup only 9

on the 19 possible

[spice surge]

16 possible

[peak lake]

true

thanks a lot for ur time

now im wondering about araz 710 instead of antenna 723 XD

[balmy condor]

And play double on use?

I’m gonna fucking throw up

[peak lake]

im sub so wrong chan

just asked u bcs i remembered when u did the math

for someone

dw i wont double use as assa

dont hit anithing

😄

[balmy condor]

I mean eleem can correct me if I’m wrong but double on use is pretty shit on sub outside of hyper niche situations I’m pretty sure

[peak lake]

well for king and dim its very strong

a bit less now cuz platform got nerfed

[spice surge]

Its fine for ST, but sub has a lot more of its damage in its cooldowns compared to assa

But people overglaze it to high heavens for sure

[winged sun]

Because its good in m+

You can have an 18 stacker on a really hard pack

And use araz on an easier one

Basically preplan everything really

[spice surge]

You can have 18 stackers anyway

[winged sun]

Not really

Its not 1.5

[peak lake]

18 stackers + passiv on big and only passiv on chill pull

[spice surge]

Ive seen logs where the average use of araz is every 4:10

[balmy condor]

What if, 18 stacker and then a second trinket on top of the 18 stacker that also does something good and then you get TWO trinkets during your giga pull

[winged sun]

18 stack insta deletes the pack

[peak lake]

well like always when we talk about mm+

depend of what ur doin

[winged sun]

Issue with passives in m+ for sub is that u wont have good stacks on prism if u dont have araz most of the time

[spice surge]

A lot less of subs damage is tied to blades in aoe

[winged sun]

Its like

8 stacks

[spice surge]

Dance actually does respectable damage

[winged sun]

7 stacks

Forgot the exact number

But its not above 10

[spice surge]

What

You can hold it

[peak lake]

u can desync blades and prism

u know

:p

[winged sun]

And why would i do that

[peak lake]

bcs big pull ?

[spice surge]

To get more damage on the next pull?

[winged sun]

Thats where araz comes in handy

Wdym

[peak lake]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-thinking-gif-18107621495886085895

[winged sun]

Thats why every sub rogue plays it

[balmy condor]

I’m just glad I don’t gotta deal with this shit on assa I’m ngl

[winged sun]

Theres a reason why every top sub rogue uses it

Theres nothing much to point out on, in high keys u need dmg even on the easier packs

Not everything is sim based in there u know

[spice surge]

Im not basing it on sims

Im saying that if youre not using your araz trinket for 5 minutes sometimes

Why the fuck are you tanking a 10% constant damage loss for it

For 17k more agi every 5 minutes

(moreso 4 on average, but yeah)

[winged sun]

Its a 2 min trinket u use it every 3 anyone who delays it is losing dps its called misplay

[viscid spear]

Love how we have two separate commands about Rik Reverb Barrels.

[static glacier]

It’s been two weeks

[winged sun]

Besides eleem

[spice surge]

Yeah but youre not using your cooldowns literally on cd all the time

[static glacier]

😔

[winged sun]

Cds are scripted in premades

[static glacier]

Where are the fixes, tuning has come and gone

[winged sun]

Not in pugs

[winged sun]

Every 1.5, 3 min

[balmy condor]

Since you looked at me, cocked your head to the side and said I’m angry

[desert moss]

that answers the question I was about to ask, thanks

[winged sun]

Not 5 mins

[balmy condor]

Good song

[winged sun]

Why would someone delay his 2nd cd for 2 more mins im confused

@spice surge

[spice surge]

Idk

[spice surge]

Ask this guy

[winged sun]

Ur calling me out now

What key is that btw

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-moly-gif-7474551238665112561

[winged sun]

Send the link

[spice surge]

17 priory, but its not particularly hard to find other examples

[balmy condor]

17 priory it seems

[winged sun]

Because im pretty sure thats out of context

[daring trail]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-enjoying-lol-michael-jackson-gif-5256534

[winged sun]

Ye every priory i did was messed up to begin with

Havent had clean key sessions this season since playing with zac btw

[balmy condor]

So it’s every 3 min but also when it’s not every 3 min it’s out of context and the key actually was messed up so it doesn’t count

[winged sun]

?

Ur trolling or what

[balmy condor]

I mean isn’t this what you just said

[winged sun]

All 17 and higher priories i did were giga messed up

Literally microwaved route

We played a bunch of normal 5 mobs and more

[spice surge]

Most of the top logs have at some point held it for more than 4:30

[balmy condor]

Yeah so anyone who delays it is losing dps and misplaying

You delayed it, but it doesn’t count cause the route was microwaved

[winged sun]

Check kush and casual where they have proper tank instead of linking my logs with pug tanks

[balmy condor]

Is that not the argument

[spice surge]

Yeah i am

Thats what im saying

[winged sun]

On a perfect scenario

The trinket will be used every 3.0

[spice surge]

Ye but m+ isnt like the sim

So it wont be used every 3 min

[winged sun]

Route is messed up then things like that happen all the time

[balmy condor]

Yeah but eleem’s whole point is that perfect scenarios don’t just happen

[winged sun]

Routes are fked up

I didnt push seriously yet so

[balmy condor]

Like eleem is saying that because it’s m+ and not perfect timer, you have to delay all the time

And that makes the trinket worse

[spice surge]

Not all the time, but a lot of the time

[winged sun]

I agree, when you push with a proper grp and have the groups sorted things like that never really happen

[golden minnow]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[winged sun]

Your average pug grp sure run a passive but its mostly sorting cds early on

I think alot of classes that dont have cd management also fk up in random routes

Its just early season things

[balmy condor]

Okay so if I understand correctly, all the sub rogues play it because it’s giga, and you have to use it every 3 or close to every 3 because holding it is bad.

And then eleem opens log where it’s common to hold and delay it pretty frequently cause things just don’t line up

And so now it’s just groups haven’t sorted things and so that’s why the delay? Or is it like routes are all bad

Yeah I mean, eleem said kush’s group and stuff had the same thing

[winged sun]

that one i probably misclicked prism @spice surge ?

Still had my binds abit sus back then

[velvet cairn]

quick question do we think about raid renown? or i just use my council guidence and sharpening still?

[spice surge]

Its mana oils, but it doesnt affect mana oils

Its just affecting enchants, like guile

[velvet cairn]

so i just dont mind it ig?

or do i change something, like i want the 0.1% if i can get it easily (which doesnt matter but feels better)

[balmy condor]

Well if for example guile is 1.3% and stonebound is 1%

And you buff both by 50%

[winged sun]

Im pretty sure i misclicked prism

[balmy condor]

Stonebound still isn’t better

[winged sun]

U didnt show both trinket usages @spice surge

Its an example out of context

So

[feral mason]

Not that its super relevant but does it scale on both elements on radiant authority?

Like damage and ms?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[spice surge]

Nah youre just purposefully missing my point, i couldve picked casual or any other top log too

[velvet cairn]

so i just get buff and dont care about it no changes

[hexed basalt]

Yes guile just become inceeasingly better

[balmy condor]

Correct

The rep buff is only really like

1.15% dps

Or some shit like that

[feral mason]

the 125% wouldve been fun icl

[balmy condor]

It’s basically like the fire breathe from last tier

[feral mason]

We are getting 3% every now and again anyway

[balmy condor]

That did jack fucking shit

[velvet cairn]

i see, thanks a lot, keep up the good work whispyr

yeah never noticed it

[hexed basalt]

I wish someone made videos for other specs like whispyr does for assa

[feral mason]

3 hours of outlaw content

[hexed basalt]

I try to understand sub, but im too stupid

[golden minnow]

im sorry if its stupid to ask but can any1 explain how to maintain dps in raids, i do my opener and everything but the longer the fight lasts the more i seem to gradually fall off, im practicing on a dummy rn

im really bad at st

[feral mason]

if outlaw rework is intriguing ill probably no life beta and do some stuff for it

Gotta put my editing classes and expensive mic to use at some point

[balmy condor]

Holy, femboy outlaw asmr?

https://tenor.com/view/kelsier-kelsierbounceonit-kelsierbounce-bounceonitkelsier-gif-1447682110204017583

[feral mason]

YES YES YES

[winged sun]

We had this same discussion last season about cleave build where you called me out on alot of things and still ended up playing it anyway at the end of the season

[hexed basalt]

Would be welcoming!

[winged sun]

Im not purposely ignoring your points im telling you in a real key things are way different than those flawed runs

I still have the screenshot where u told me to remind you in 2 months where i’d end up playing bleed build

And you still ended up playing mine

[feral mason]

Gotta say though @balmy condor idk how you do it, whenever I’m trying to help out guildies with rogue I struggle to go to basics

[spice surge]

Ok so youve decided to attack me instead of argue more about the trinket.

I see

[feral mason]

Whatever I end up explaining is already way too out there for their prior knowledge

[winged sun]

Not really trying to sorry if it sounded that way

[velvet cairn]

when i coach people i prefer talking first and looking at opener kb window and then filler. then u see if u need basics or not

also pretty clear what need work

[winged sun]

Issue with 1x trinket is that u can run keys like the priory u linked, the pull after 1st boss requires 18 stacks on sub

[feral mason]

oh sure with logs im fine, just making videos and such

[winged sun]

And using sub cds without a trinket is a huge loss

[feral mason]

If I don’t know what peoples’ prior xp is I feel like ill probably suck at explaining stuff

feeling dry as hell sittin there explaining sinister strike and shi

[velvet cairn]

i also tell them to read wowhead first :x

[hexed basalt]

I like that he explains and shows the concepts of how things work

Often i read guides and like see What the rotation should look like, but not Why it should like like that

If that makes sense

[winged sun]

Btw @spice surge all top 10 sub rogues excluding 1 run araz+prism including kush, casual

It was played on all rwf sub bosses too iirc

[midnight mist]

I thought you were reformed and back to outlaw zeross

What happened

[winged sun]

I am wdym

[midnight mist]

I am once again disappointed

[winged sun]

Zac.. its not what it looks like

I promise.. @midnight mist

[static glacier]

the words nether prism doomed you zeross

bro is in the sin channel debating sub builds while claiming allegiance to outlaw

how rogueish

[midnight mist]

I see through your lies zeross

[winged sun]

nope

[winged sun]

Let me confront you instead zac

On your last 2 kills

What spec did you play in raid

?

Are you truly an outlaw player or are you a betrayer by heart

[midnight mist]

Ok but

[winged sun]

No buts

Dont but me zac

[plush umbra]

but how can you be a true outlaw without breaking the rules every now and then?

[winged sun]

Was it outlaw

Yes or no

Its a yes or no question zac

[midnight mist]

Even post nerf I don't think I would have been able to kill as outlaw

[winged sun]

sub player

Blue hiding in yellow i see

[quartz path]

Should I play Prism (hero) + Araz(champ) in M+ insted of Prism + Antenna(champ) ? Like start with araz and use prism when it's stacked. the sim says its bad tho xd

[midnight mist]

It's not even fair this season

Bro the spec is litteraly unplayable common

[winged sun]

Fine..

[rotund oak]

should follow the robot,never lies

[winged sun]

I wont make it pass like that next time zac

[static glacier]

go antenna, you're a 2min class

[winged sun]

Not easily

[static glacier]

these guys are talking sub

[winged sun]

Sub guy..

[quartz path]

Gotcha thanks

[winged sun]

Nah u cant ever run x2 on use on assa

[static glacier]

cook it, you could i just don't think it's ideal

[rotund oak]

pirate infestation corrupting both sub and sin sacred channels

[winged sun]

It was tested, maybe decent in keys like floodgates in specific routes when sin was giga broken

Now it isnt ideal at all on all scenarios

[quartz path]

Zeross never lies

[winged sun]

Sin was so broken to the level where any trinket u use would one shot the pack

i did ~40-45m on 1st pack in floodgates week 1

It was a totally different spec anyway

[midnight mist]

Ye now the spec is so bad bro ..

[winged sun]

.. outlaw worse

Fix outlaw plzz

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[winged sun]

@midnight mist everytime i join a grp..

Any tips to help

[midnight mist]

Spec assa before applying

[modern harbor]

guys a kinda strange question. But i feel like sometimes fan of knives is not generating enough combo points when i am to near in a pack and if i step out just a little bit its hitting correctly.. is this a thing or am i tripping?

[rotund oak]

!bug

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[rotund oak]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rotund oak]

ehhh

[winged sun]

Let me guess

U have 10% crit

1st of all

Momentum of despair doesnt work with 2set so u cant use that for fok generation

[rotund oak]

@vestal wren lord fuu sir,whats the command for the bug tracker

[winged sun]

2nd of all u need like idk 30% crit or something

Sim ur char i usually run 30 atm

[safe wasp]

Hi Guys, to sims M+ with bleed build, is "Patchwerk mode" good ? or maybe "Dungeon slice".. I'm not sure..

[winged sun]

Dslice

[midnight mist]

I run 34.56 is that good or too much?

[winged sun]

For high m+ we do different sims like 10 and 1 mobs but it misses some context u need to be aware of so

Dslice is the best sim

Never sim anything else unless u know that its inaccurate

[winged sun]

U dont even play assa bozo

[vestal wren]

think the bugs are pinned in this channel

[rotund oak]

cant find any bug on gifthub for fok,we already know seal fate generates 1 combo point extra so its prolly that

[rotund oak]

yup ive tried on sub and got it,much love though

[vestal wren]

👍

[winged sun]

@spice surge going back to the trinket discussion, how big of a loss is it to send sub cds and hold a prism for the cd after

[spice surge]

In sims slightly better than using every blades

[winged sun]

Im abit curious because if the loss is really low then you might be into something

[winged sun]

It skips it in sims?

[spice surge]

Yes

[winged sun]

Wait really

Every 3?

[spice surge]

Its like 0.5% or so higher, probably equal without orc

[spice surge]

Yeah, unless the fight ends

[winged sun]

Oh well i didnt know that at all

Thats interesting

I thought it was slamming it every cd

Ok i guess prism does allow more flexibility than araz afterall

Ye i was prob wrong on that then

[vestal wren]

prism has the benefit of allowing you to adjust the use to the boss/dungeon

[winged sun]

I think u still run araz in keys like dawnbreaker

[spice surge]

Again im not saying double on-use is horrible, but a bunch of people have been saying that its required to play sub

[winged sun]

Ye my bad i mean its a good point if its already using it every 3 mins

[spice surge]

And im pretty sure its atleast similar to passive

[winged sun]

Nah i see the value on passives

[vestal wren]

think it might be that people don't consider holding stacks

[winged sun]

Passives are op honestly

They just work all the time

No fuck ups

[spice surge]

Theres also the cursed tech if the fight is exactly 2:30 or 4:30 then araz+passive (holding 90s for 2 min)

[vestal wren]

discussions in the past often did not consider changing actions in comparisons

[winged sun]

I think u always have to run prism in m+ regardless of some timers in keys because of how op an 18 stacker is on almost impossible pulls

[vestal wren]

you always use prism on sub kinda

[spice surge]

Well yeah i was talking about raid, an entire m+ key is not 2:30

[winged sun]

Atleast on sin araz was simming higher for me sometiems before

Didnt check with the new trinket apl fixes tho

[modern harbor]

nah i am at 37 % crit.. its not the issue. its more like a feels weird thing. or is it simply the fact that fan of knives crits then i generate more or it doesnt crit.. is it just about the crit and not about the positioning?

[midnight mist]

I think it's just way better on last 2 bosses, or at least dimensius

[winged sun]

We used to run momentum of despair bro

It gave us giga cp

I did notice what ur talking about tho

Idk if its a real bug or rng

[spice surge]

Its more damage to the second platform for sure

[winged sun]

@spice surge ngl tho

[cinder bobcat]

!STATS

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[winged sun]

i dont mean to be arrogant in any way but most of the leaderboard just copies me,casual and kush @spice surge

i think thats where the x2 "requirement" hoax kinda spread out

[spice surge]

Yeah and while on PTR when you were testing

Araz was literally 10% stronger

[winged sun]

ye true

[cinder bobcat]

Whats the average amount of vers you should have if you are doing 16+ keys

[winged sun]

ngl ur definitely into something tho eleem

[spice surge]

And sure antenna got nerfed a bit, but most of the power of antenna is in the passive agi, compared to forge where almost all of it is in the on-use

[winged sun]

x1 passive does have light in it im pretty sure

[spice surge]

Too bad they nerfed pacemaker

Antenna is nice when theres not much happening because you can delay the orbs until you dance

[winged sun]

does the sim do that btw?

[spice surge]

But then you have stuff like dimmensius p3 where its literally impossible to pickup a single orb

[spice surge]

It does not

[winged sun]

or is it hard to tell

oh interesting

[spice surge]

Sim picks up the orb after a random amount of time

[desert crest]

Would it not be possible to implement that into sims

[winged sun]

i honestly dont think it should be implemented

[desert crest]

We know how long they are on the ground

[spice surge]

It definitely could be implemented

[winged sun]

its fine as it is

idk

[spice surge]

But regardless im not gonna push it as the default

[winged sun]

i think its good this way imo

[desert crest]

Yeah as default would be crazy true

[winged sun]

if its slightly undersimming it can give it some extra value

well i wouldn't call it undersimming more of a trinket that can work with ur cds

[desert crest]

But it would be intreresting too see how much of a diff it is to delay it

could be quite a lot of dmg

[spice surge]

Its like undersimming and oversimming at the same time

[winged sun]

ur practically doing 0 dps out of dance

[spice surge]

Weird ass trinket

[desert crest]

Yeah, why it would be nice too see how much of a dps increase it is too delay before cds

It feels like u can get 2 orbs in cds quite often

Which u will not get if u just pick up at random times

[winged sun]

idk

[spice surge]

Surely we get some new trinkets in .5 or .7 like the siren isle trinket

[winged sun]

i'll have to start pushing again to get a good feel on the trinkets yet

[spice surge]

Image this +prism

[desert crest]

That would be crazy

Might not even be that much better than antenna tho just because of how over stated it is

[blissful pumice]

is it possible to Night Elfe into stealth when the tank is chain pulling?

[desert crest]

But i guess this one also looked pretty over stated

[blissful pumice]

somehow it dosent work for me do i need a macro or something?

[spice surge]

Its very very janky

[desert crest]

Press stealth after u meld

[lament knoll]

Hi

[spice surge]

Being further away from the mobs usually increase the chances of it working

[desert crest]

Yeah it is pretty cursed

[blissful pumice]

Y i know but sometimes it works and often it dosent

[spice surge]

Yeah thats just how it is

[blissful pumice]

yeah thougt so 😄

always friends talkin like I am stupid if I tell them Meld into stealth dosent work

[desert crest]

Try to do it when u are not taking any dmg might help

[blissful pumice]

y or i try the distance thing eleem called

maybe just run away and meld into stealth 😄

[desert crest]

Then pray

[spice surge]

Generally if youre chaining something you can stay behind a bit to try to get the restealths

But like midpack i wouldnt recommend to try to meld

[knotty forge]

Question

Last few sec od kingsbane (its full stacked) i used full stack prism

In my last seconds od bonus ap do i send envenom or 5-7 ct rapture

Cuz its one last envenom with extra 60k Agi or one rapture with 60k Agi

[jade abyss]

Is rupture not dynamic?

[cyan lily]

Yo

The Sheet for raid on ds and fb build are updated?

[red schooner]

It is!

We don't snapshot apart from CT with target count

[knotty forge]

Ok thanks

[jade abyss]

Im glad that exsang dont exist anymore

[flint escarp]

man our bossing is bad enough as it is why do we have to suffer deathstalkers mark dissapearing on so many of them

maybe im just bad

[weary stump]

Clearly what we need is something that alters bone spike and makes rupture a pain in the ass in some way

[cyan lily]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[desert crest]

You can call it a skill check but i don't think it should be possible for us too lose our hero talent ever

Like idk make mutilate apply the mark or smth

[red schooner]

[weary stump]

It's immersive gameplay okay

[flint escarp]

hard agree

i like the concept of dsm

[red schooner]

Bring back exsanguinate but have it be a random proc on our next tier set. Do it.

[flint escarp]

but man there are so many stupid mobs in like tazavesh street that keep the mark on them when they die

WHY

[red schooner]

The delve mobs like to hold the mark as well

[weary stump]

Dsm disappears like the brain cells that let the raid leader understand rogue

[desert crest]

DSM would actaully be really cool if we could move it around

[flint escarp]

also that one duo boss in eco dome

fk me

[desert crest]

Like prio mob spawns easy just put mark on it and funnel it dead

[flint escarp]

jumping on and off his stupid mount

[desert crest]

Would be really nice

[weary stump]

Eco dome isn't real it can't hurt you

Him and his stupid lizard mount

[flint escarp]

i'd like some eco dome please

[desert crest]

Yeah when i fuck up that boss i just call too my other dps that he will have to kill boss from here

[weary stump]

I just save both my vanish charges for it and pray it's enough