assassination

[oak tangle]

the thing is though, they don't need to know why

[runic hinge]

The no WA argument is weird to me because blizz is trying to implement their own buff trackers and have said they aren’t taking out WA until it’s where they want it. Like you’ll be able to play the specs in the same way just without an addon and with base ui giving you the info.

[high dust]

backstab on shadow dance?

[balmy condor]

blizzard cannot do this ever, like people complain about how little invites they get for not being the "meta" spec. If you balance around difficulty, all you're doing is saying "if you aren't good enough to play the giga hard spec, you're shit and your damage is shit"

that's the opposite of what you're looking for

literally polar opposite

[oak tangle]

and if someone wants to know why, they are the kinda person who would enjoy the complexity of that being what they do

[knotty forge]

I agree that its like saying i wish there was no war in the world

Yup

[haughty flicker]

also any assa player saying that is advocating for their spec to be dogpiss forever

because lol

[red schooner]

My main request for rogue, a little bit more raid utility. My main midnight wish.

[runic hinge]

Maintain 2 dots press envenom is hard tho

[bronze pike]

i mean

[bright tartan]

Shroud before pulling is our utility

[bronze pike]

if they get overwhelmed by combo points

idk what to say

[hollow void]

Is there any weakaura to see how much garrotes/ruptures i have up in AoE? With Jundies its sometimes impossible for me to see

[red schooner]

We even have to advocate for people to not over think things in here

[bronze pike]

its common geenrator spender system

play ret?

[wispy orchid]

my dk nodds at me ever so slightly

[oak tangle]

maybe we need a dummies guide on wowhead, that forgoes any and all small optimisations, in favour of dumbed down things like, "maintain dots, else hit envenom"

[wispy orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/very-nice-excellent-yes-meme-nod-gif-17397471

[oak tangle]

people get so hung up on the optimisations they don't realise they can get 90% of the way there without them

[bright tartan]

No every wowhead guide should start with every 0,2% optimisation on earth

[worn bison]

wanna know what i do ? look at opener see the sequence

ignore opener tips move on to rotation

[knotty forge]

U do that deal below tank dps because damage is in min maxing and u get kicked

[high dust]

opener on a macro and move to rotation

[bronze pike]

i dont believe that is true, like i dont play sin, but thats never the case ever

[knotty forge]

Deathnark window etc

[balmy condor]

there's been many a long talk about how to streamline and make the guides for approachable for what it's worth

[haughty flicker]

you wouldnt do tank dps using one button rotation and that not only doesnt do any of the small optimizations, it also has a gcd penalty

[balmy condor]

hopefully midnight will help in that regard

[haughty flicker]

so thats just like provably wrong right away

[oak tangle]

i have sub optimal key binds, i dont seperately use netherprism, I dont do tank damage

[knotty forge]

I think single target rotation is better dmg that dumbed down guided guy

[worn bison]

yea if you learn the basic opener and maintain dots and envenom on 5+ i dont think i'll ever do less dam than a tank

[bronze pike]

unless your tank is absolutely cracked

[runic hinge]

I don’t even do the opener correctly and my average parse is in the 90’s

[knotty forge]

Single button will Press shiv, that guy wont

[bronze pike]

you shouldnt be doing bellow tank damage

[knotty forge]

Etc

[haughty flicker]

?

oops wrong one

[bronze pike]

heck if your doing less damage than a cracked tank, then thats sus af

[haughty flicker]

get ? though nerd

[bronze pike]

my source?

im a cracked tank

[haughty flicker]

?

[runic hinge]

I ambush from stealth on fatebound don’t ? Me

[balmy condor]

?

[haughty flicker]

pressing shiv isnt a min max

[balmy condor]

sauce?

[haughty flicker]

its a core part of your rotation

lmao

[bronze pike]

me

im the source

i am a cracked tank

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/sauce-crackermilk-ketchup-stain-gif-21853289

[bronze pike]

tank damage is 50% of a dps now, there is no excuse to be bellow a tank in damage

back then it was 70% of a dps damage

[balmy condor]

more SAUCE

[worn bison]

i have more trouble doing my sub rotation but then i just hate myself for messing it up cause it makes feel like an idiot

[runic hinge]

I got plenty of excuses

[worn bison]

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-ross-painting-yas-wisdom-art-gif-4514528

[knotty forge]

I think you guys breathe rogue so u have different pov, also even ur guilds are not casual ones. Im inbetween and that is Just my take. Right now its still fun but overall i understand his points on that post.

[runic hinge]

Should blizzard only make classes for people who can’t hit all their buttons?

[worn bison]

I wonder if its a hot take to think legion rogue was really good

[oak tangle]

I won't refute that i'm a rogue main, but i am in AOTC only guilds, and we are yet to kill dimensius

[knotty forge]

No they should make the ones that require precision to feel rewarding

[bronze pike]

i mean idk how anyone can reasonably think this person point is reasonable

like lets say it was

how do you fix it?

lobotamize the spec?

[worn bison]

i play disc priest since legion but i played rogue during first tier of legion and before that since classic

[knotty forge]

Lots of people have looks like it

[vestal granite]

my guild had 4mythic last season and they STILL dont have aotc

its such a noob killer boss

[oak tangle]

i often play and try other specs, and I can understand that rogue seemd confusing, because that is how i feel about all other specs. They are not fundamentally any harder though

[vestal granite]

worse than nzoth

[bronze pike]

ya im aware mob rule doesnt mean its right

[vestal granite]

and I dont understand how

[bronze pike]

most players think outlaw has rng variance and cant do damage due to rtb

[knotty forge]

Same legion Goat, got satyr boots and that was it

I started maining sub

[bronze pike]

but like you dont even need to optimize rtb logic to do damage

last season you pressed rtb on cd

thats how little impact its "rng variance" has on your dps output

like people can think something is correct, but its usually not

[worn bison]

outlaw confuses me on what it has become its like trying to be all the iterations its ever been

[vestal granite]

its because you have so many layers of RNG that it ends up consistent most of the time

pretty sure thats how it works at least

[bronze pike]

the only rng issue i have with law

is ss/ambush

thats its

[vestal granite]

what? who doesnt love sinister strike 5 times in a row while energy starved?

[oak tangle]

I just hate the class fantasy of Outlaw, the last time i liked pirates was pirates of the carribean. That and that i have to loot spec to get a sword. So i just refuse to play it, even if it's BiS and sub / sin are trash, i'll jsut play a different class

[bronze pike]

everything else you can wing it and still do competative damage, while yes its optimizations push it further and as a spec it has more than the normal amount. but like if more peopel dont focus on the optimization and just press buttons. they'll realize that its not rng fucked as reddit claims it to be

[high dust]

The tip to playing Rogue is turning off error sounds so your brain doesnt melt on "You dont have energy to do that"

[bronze pike]

if you really want to master rogue, then do the legwork to master it

dont think its optmizations are required when its not

[red schooner]

Squats it is

Gotta commit to leg day to play this class

Worst class confirmed

[vestal granite]

I think if you understand combo point efficiency you are 90% of the way there to understand rogue man

[bronze pike]

[vestal granite]

its not rocket science

[bronze pike]

when people especially reddit/forum rogues bring up the "weak aura" convo. it kinda tilts me, cause theyre just setting themselves up for disappointment

[oak tangle]

maybe people think it's elitism when it's not, sometimes "it doesn't fucking matter" literally means it doesn't matter. ambush or garrote opener on fb? IDFM

[bronze pike]

theres not much weakaura stuff to prune from outlaw and when that becomes apparent

people are gonna think blizzard did nothing

and riot like always

theres like, 2 things i can think about from the top of my head can be pruned

[vestal granite]

I swear ambush is better but its probably 0,005% better or worse at best

xd

[bronze pike]

unseen blades stacks, and rtb container

[haughty flicker]

i mean is it really them setting themselves up when blizzard is literally using outlaw as their poster child example of "spec that needs weak auras to exist"

[bronze pike]

to blizzard

weakaura means like

the 2 things ive listed

those are the types of things blizzard doesnt like

one was by their own design (unseen blades) the other is community made (rtb container)

[oak tangle]

people don't understand that we are an energy locked spec, not gcd locked. They always need to be pressing something cause that's what other specs have trained into them, and now that they can't just be pressing something it somehow comes across as complexity?

[haughty flicker]

its still blizzard outright saying outlaw is too reliant on weak auras and they want to change it, you can read between the lines and decide what they mean but the average person isnt able to do that

because not everyone plays outlaw

[bronze pike]

cause people are used to gcd locked specs

[haughty flicker]

so if they get misled then thats not really their fault ngl

[bronze pike]

and then wonder why things do 0 damage when they press it once

[bronze pike]

sure fine thats fair

but again. to blizzard being w/a dependent coudl be the extra things. not rtb in general

and that tracks with blizzard philospy

while people expect rtb to be removed completely and utterly

[solar summit]

hey guys, how good is unyielding netherprism? is there perhaps a tierlist somewhere?

[balmy condor]

best trinket we have

[solar summit]

i mainly play m+

[desert crest]

Even better then

[solar summit]

oh awesome!!! thanks

is it true it doesnt sim well though?

[desert crest]

No should sim well

[frozen otter]

Wtf blizz? Asa still buggy?

[hearty seal]

Reddit post got removed

[frozen otter]

A whole spec is unplayble

[spice surge]

Its not unplayable

[frozen otter]

And we uber buffed hunters...

[hearty seal]

what do they mean tho
ngl the best outcome I personally can see is

1. RtB is removed
2. Actual good RtB stuff (BtE crits and Restless Blades bonus) is baked into the kit
3. the rest is just deleted

[frozen otter]

No theres no law that doesnt let you play it, if thats what you mean

[spice surge]

Its not unplayable in any sense of the word

Assa is good in keys

And the bugs arent the reason assa isnt good in raid

[old lily]

Assa is great in keys, our boss damage sucks duck but otherwise the overall is great

[scarlet orbit]

Assa is also fine in raid in most fights its just that the later part of the raid is like hand made to fit sub perfectly. If your not in a top guild when you come there its also fine to just play assa

[old lily]

Boss damage isn't terrible if you can drag adds on it like first, 2nd and 3rd boss in HoA or swamp boi in flood

[balmy condor]

a lot of people also just kinda

don't play it properly

I'm ngl

[frozen otter]

When half of the mandatory talents dont work is unplayble for me

[spice surge]

Well luckily they do

And you just made that up

[scarlet orbit]

So sub is unplaybale aswell for you sad

[balmy condor]

I review so many logs of people that just walk up to a boss without deathmark, cast one deathmark on a 3:30 fight halfway in, don't get execute value, forget their second shiv, don't vanish for their deathmark

like

it's really bad

deathmark is the entire damage window for the bleed build in single target

and when you fuck it up really bad, you well, do really bad damage

[spice surge]

If singular focus not working with spatter is something that causes you to not want to play the spec then im afraid you probably cant find any class in the game you'd want to play

Literally all of them have bugs like this

[scarlet orbit]

thats a really short boss but just for interest how low could we reasonable hold dm in such a case?

[desert crest]

Yeah our st dmg really suffers when u don't have cds on pull

[haughty pewter]

That's two in Deathstalker and three in Fatebound.

[desert crest]

But atleast our aoe is good with and without cds

[flint escarp]

I am a stupid person can someone explain again how you compare vault tiems in sims to see which one is better?

[balmy condor]

deathmark does no AoE, it's a pure single target cooldown. You should legit never be in a situation where you walk up to a boss without deathmark

[balmy condor]

/simc with your vault open will import your vault options into your import

raidbots has buttons for selecting your vault items and upgrading them, etc

you just go from there

[hearty seal]

that explains why I'm getting 75-80% parses for breathing

[flint escarp]

I had no idea the vault had to be open, thanks!<3

[proud charm]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. On top of this, all stats being good on Assassination means there are currently over 500 "BiS" combinations that are within margin of error. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS from world content is especially not helpful, and we do not maintain any lists of these types. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character.

[real pike]

so zzzzz bored of seeing other people get antenna in vault

[scarlet orbit]

ok im just dumb but i also just wiped i na follower dungeon so that was a given anyway

[real pike]

meanwhile I have this stupid ritual forge thing

[proud charm]

Myth stone idol is fine for dungeons

[hollow cedar]

it doesnt. that was the case in df

[haughty pewter]

What is the point of using vanish in a single target raid boss? I can't find anything from any tooltip that would justify it other than a single ambush. Is there some hidden energy regeneration mechanic?

[balmy condor]

batman could not beat this out of me

[balmy condor]

!dj

[prisma monolith]

Vanishing On Fatebound

• you vanish for double jeopardy, a Fatebound talent
• this causes your next flip to flip an additional coin, and this coin can be an edge-case coin
• because of this, you want to vanish when you know the next flip is an edge-case flip
• edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
• you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst

[spice surge]

!dj

[prisma monolith]

Vanishing On Fatebound

• you vanish for double jeopardy, a Fatebound talent
• this causes your next flip to flip an additional coin, and this coin can be an edge-case coin
• because of this, you want to vanish when you know the next flip is an edge-case flip
• edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
• you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst

[balmy condor]

me faster eleem

[spice surge]

[real pike]

it sims badly for me on dslice

[red schooner]

I'm waiting for a second antenna so I can not pick it again

[proud charm]

Is myth stone idol fine for dungeons ?

[haughty pewter]

ty

[balmy condor]

it's not ideal but it'll work, yeah

[proud charm]

I mean it feel really strong, Because you can only SIM low target number right

[noble onyx]

Honestly I think there were some good points in the post. I think we're about average if we talk about damage and that is fine. But is also true that we often need to rely on gimmicks for that extra push to stay on par with more performing classes. Also, pugging M+ as a rogue is definitely worse than with other DPS imho. Just my 2 cents.

[proud charm]

As its uncapd

[bronze pike]

rtb shouldnt be removed

its fine

if you really want to kill the rng nonsense

bake season 2 undermine tierset in

buff supercharger

[real pike]

I replied to you but Moroes told me off

[haughty pewter]

So the kingsbane 30s cd and deathmark 1m cd is not a bug and playing as intended to open a fight?

[bronze pike]

yay, your now pressing rtb on cd and not giving a shit about your buffs

[red schooner]

Thanks Moroes, saving me

[spice surge]

It is a bug

[red schooner]

Myth antenna in vault and it wasn't even my best option

[balmy condor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fF1yWzabwVGrQjXn?fight=20&type=damage-done&source=329&pull=9&ability=-360194

I opened random +13 priories and just checked the second boss, this was the third log I opened just on a whim

[hearty seal]

which would put it into the same spot as Ghostly Strike - fucking stupid button that you just press without a care, which makes it bad

[haughty pewter]

Well no that would be edgecase proccing twice.

[balmy condor]

it's the tier set proccing twice

which is not intended

and a bug

[bronze pike]

well thats what you guys want right?

[balmy condor]

kingsbane should be 0:45, deathmark should be 1:30

[bronze pike]

you cant have your cake without the calories

[frozen otter]

I thought only singular not working

[bronze pike]

no but fr man

[hearty seal]

no, the point is that RtB can't be good for the spec without also being more or less mindless, which means it's kinda pointless to begin with

[bronze pike]

burger kings oreo forsty slaps

[balmy condor]

that shit is just bulking cheat code

[bronze pike]

they already hit the perfect ratio they can have with rtb in s2 and now in s3

idk what more you want them to do

beyond

removing it

its rng variance does

jackshit

sub,mm,ele,enhance,ret, frostdk

all have bigger variance than rtb

[spice surge]

No thats not the only bug

That is not what i said

[bronze pike]

like i dont see people lobbying to remove art of war and radiant glory, even those both combined have more rng variance than rtb

funny

[haughty pewter]

How do I squeeze more damage out of thiis pull? Is it just lucky coin rng?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ybrPHqvVdTCtjBWz?fight=4&type=damage-done&source=21

[desert crest]

Trick is to pull the boss 10 times and only kill when u have good rng

might need to pay group quite a bit of gold tho

[hearty seal]

yep
and if it goes to being RNG, it'll be bad
and S2 it was basically automatic with tier
like there's no spot where RtB is good design, it's either too random like S1 or a button you press just because you have to keep up the buffs like S2

[spice surge]

I just find it fun when people say assa is unplayable because of a bug costing them 5% dps. And the response a lot of those do is to swap over to sub

[desert crest]

In m+ the bugs don't matter as much

[frozen otter]

The bugs cost 15% less dps

[desert crest]

but it is a big funnel dmg hit tho

[spice surge]

They do not

[bronze pike]

It’s good rn

[scarlet orbit]

Is there any estimate how much dmg sub loses through all their bugs? Cannt imagine that being less

[bronze pike]

Heck I can name

3 seasons where it was good

[spice surge]

Definitely more

[bronze pike]

Again y’all are focusing way too much on its “rng”

When it’s rng impacts nothing

[frozen otter]

+- 15% dps is kinda gamebreaking for me

[bronze pike]

That’s not saying that outlaw doesn’t have rng tho

[spice surge]

Yeah but thats just you making a number up

[desert crest]

but it is not 15%

[spice surge]

Its 5%

[desert crest]

Unless u are playing cooked talents

[bronze pike]

Wanna know what’s more rng than rtb? That no one talks about

[desert crest]

for no reason

[bronze pike]

Sinister strike/ambush

But no one talks about that

[hearty seal]

opportunity or w/e it is Blindside for Outlaw

[bronze pike]

No one

[real pike]

did I open my vault in sub loot spec? hello??? stupid shit game

[bronze pike]

People hyper focus on rtb

[desert crest]

I love the random +- like the bugs might be a 15% buff or smth

[subtle kiln]

Eleem Sub Bug video fueled by ghost energy drinks when?

[bronze pike]

When it’s like the most minimal thing in the spec

[frozen otter]

Maybe im wrong but Wisp said about 15% less dmg with the bugs and spatter fix

[spice surge]

He did not

[bronze pike]

He didn’t

[spice surge]

Im not much for energy drinks im afraid

[bronze pike]

Y’all need to read pins instead of taking whatever garbage the community repeats from random streamer no 186181751 as gospel

[sharp viper]

how about 2 L of green tea?

[subtle kiln]

Makes the video more edgy. Perfect!

[desert crest]

Rewatch the vid then check what bugs are actually affecting u in m+ and add up the numbers

[spice surge]

But yes it is silly that the tier set bug is still active

[frozen otter]

Someone said it for sure, i will find the video, didnt wake up today and made up a number

[sharp viper]

WHICH ONE PLEASE BE MORE SPECIFIC

[bronze pike]

Very likely it’s from someone misunderstanding video and numbers

[subtle kiln]

People can say anything. With confidence, and be completely wrong.

[bronze pike]

And spread it like wildfire

[desert crest]

Yes 15% is a number that has been said but not about dmg loss from bugs in m+

[flint escarp]

maaan why is mythic seaforium outsimming mythic lily?:(

[desert crest]

that would be the total loss from the fix in raid aoe deathstalker if i am not mistaken

so caustic + singular + momentum of dispair

[hearty seal]

uhhh
different purposes? one is passive, one is active

[frozen otter]

Maybe this

[desert crest]

But they will not revert the caustic fix so 15% buff is a pipe dream

[flint escarp]

do active trinkets not sim well?

does my sim get negatively effected dps wise because i run two active trinkets?

[hearty seal]

you're almost always encouraged to run 1 active, 1 passive

[hearty seal]

yes, because you can't use them in tandem and one misses the burst windows

[flint escarp]

thanks maybe i have to replace lily then RIP

hard regret last weeks choice

[hearty seal]

what's your second trink

[flint escarp]

netherprism heroic tho

[steel crystal]

random question, im new to rogue and my stealth seems to just randomly be breaking no matter where i am, does anyone know why stealth would just fall off for no reason?

[wide ferry]

why does this game love giving you keys youvr already done....3 characters 3 vaults 3 keys that ive timed already...what theeee

[hearty seal]

show equipped daggers

[hearty seal]

this is the reason

the passive property removes stealth from you

[steel crystal]

even in dorn?

[hearty seal]

yes

[spice surge]

Yes, and also its got intellect on it

[hearty seal]

it procs a pulse from you

[spice surge]

So its really really really bad

[hearty seal]

also yes, never equip int daggers

[steel crystal]

ah it was just something i bought cause i was a fresh 80 and had a 200 ilvl wep

very new to rogue lmfao ty guys

omg that was 100% it ty guys so much it was driving me insane

[hearty seal]

just buy a blue dagger from AH to replace it, they should be going for like 700g

[steel crystal]

thats what i did!

[normal mist]

intellect dagger: the movie

[pliant remnant]

Make sure you also don't "just" craft an Everforged Dagger 'cause you're looking for dagger

[glass hemlock]

!restealth

!stealth

😭

[normal mist]

Chain pulling?

[glass hemlock]

Yissss

[normal mist]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[glass hemlock]

Ta!

[hearty seal]

ngl playing Without a Trace and sometimes just ||muttering "fuck you dude, another 4 manual ruptures to apply, I hate this shit" under my breath|| fixed all chainpulling issues I had in S2

[green pier]

this vault though 👀

[flint escarp]

I'm being hardcore harrassed in whispers because I won bot ring and belt on plexus it's hilarious

[red schooner]

Tell them to roll better

[deep breach]

i won the boots on my shammy and people lost their minds

[haughty pewter]

Oh, you mean tanks pulling the last boss on dawnbreaker instead of giving you 2s to stealth

[flint escarp]

apparently I don't need crit ever

[balmy condor]

he knows

[oak tangle]

are you EU or NA

[balmy condor]

I'm BI

[hearty seal]

is this fucker arguing about Logic Gate

[green pier]

with Lily, do we drop on CD or do we line it up with deathmark?

[flint escarp]

yes he's trying to convince me I don't need it he's very pissed

[hearty seal]

always into DM

[red schooner]

Is this LFR loot

Or like, heroic?

[flint escarp]

it's heroic

[oak tangle]

if NA ragnaros checks out

[balmy condor]

you would never want to use an on-use outside of your cooldowns, you want to buff the window where you're doing damage

[hearty seal]

logic gate simmed better for me than HoA ring :)

[balmy condor]

the off-pieces for the bis list are also entirely pulled out of my ass for what its worth

[haughty pewter]

lol, i had to pick between that mythic ring and 723 lily this morning. 2 hours of my life wasted on sims and "it's only plexus it'll drop" convo's

[green pier]

yeah i figured, i just didn't know if the 30s loss was worse than and extra pop if that makes sense

[hearty seal]

that's the answer you give to everything
"it sims better, lmao"

[real pike]

Saving this for when my RL challenges my rolls later

[haughty pewter]

How accurate is bloodmallet?

[flint escarp]

fair, my rings are shit as well so I didn't even really need to explain myself but he kept going

[bronze pike]

Your ass must be really smart

[flint escarp]

whispered me at least 30 times

[balmy condor]

accurate in the way that it's comparing one trinket slot on a single target fatebound raid build. But that is all it does

[red schooner]

Link him the ring every time he whispers

[balmy condor]

did he buy you dinner at least?

[oak tangle]

dw, they'll stop when their internet cafe time runs out

[hearty seal]

my evoker bro just rolled on logic gate without looking
then actually read the stats and figured out he needed omega, not alpha
so he gave his alpha to me
lucky breaks

[haughty pewter]

So Lily and Pacemaker/Antenna is the raid dream?

[balmy condor]

prism over lily probably cause you can control where you get a huge burst for adds/amps, but yeah

[flint escarp]

i was trying to be nice about it at first but then I just started flexing the ring

[real pike]

Prism and antenna

[balmy condor]

as fights get giga short, you would probably want lily

like in heroic right now, prism just ain't worth if you're doing a 2 min loom kill

[real pike]

Wait this was a pug and not your RL/guildie?

[haughty pewter]

I just have Lily tied to death mark and forget about it. I have a 710 Netherpriism too, I just don't see my guild gettiing to frac anytime soon.

[balmy condor]

that works

[haughty pewter]

I knew I was doing something right...

[flint escarp]

not sure if this is optimal but I netherprism on DM and then lily on the kingsbane that's not lined up with DM

if that makes sense

[real pike]

So would you use prism outside of CDs if it was during an adds/amp?

[balmy condor]

counter-question, why would you ever hold prism for adds/amp and not cooldowns

like if you want to pad aoe

or take advantage of an amp

you're going to be putting cooldowns into those windows, won't you?

soulbinder adds, araz amp, nexus king amp, etc

[real pike]

So then how is it any different to Lily? If you're holding CDs for it, Lily will be up too

[oak tangle]

but if i use triket outside cd, i can have a more balanced damage profile

[haughty pewter]

That actually sounds fluid.

[mint valve]

https://tenor.com/view/boner-hard-on-mushroom-growing-morning-wood-gif-16786445

the netherprism always grows 😄

[desert crest]

Lily buffs ur cds on pull

[balmy condor]

lets say lily gives you 100 damage when you press it every 1:30, and prism does the same

you have to press lily every 1:30 to get the value out of it, prism you can hold up to 3 min and line up 200 damage into an amp where the boss takes 100% extra damage

[oak tangle]

lily is a 1:30 min cd, netherprism is max stacked at 3 min, a 3 min prism mo betta than 2 1:30 lily, but you can't always gurantee a 3 min prism where you want

[desert crest]

Prism has a discontinuity on pull where u have 0 stacks

[mint valve]

prism would be broken if you could start the fight at 18 stacks ❤️

[balmy condor]

I'm getting full value out of my prism on every single one of these

[haughty pewter]

But I can sit on it for the entire P2 dimmy and send it on p3 lust?

[balmy condor]

18 stack lily into that amp at 3:45

isn't a thing

but 18 stack prism

is

[noble fractal]

Lily or araz for m+?

[real pike]

Ooh I didn't realise it was a whole 3 mins to max up prism (I don't have one), that makes sense

Thank you boys

[balmy condor]

araz

[haughty pewter]

Once every 10s = 180s = 3m

[real pike]

I haven't looked into it at all or how it works

I don't like to know what I'm missing

[oak tangle]

it's agi version of spymasters

like almost 1 for 1

[real pike]

I only play rogue I have no idea what spymasters did

[haughty pewter]

I just read the tooltip, makes sense

[real pike]

I don't have a tooltip to read because I don't own it and have no interest in knowing what I'm missing out on

[haughty pewter]

Oh, are you interested in looking at the in-game adventure guide to see what drops from each boss/dungeon and aim for specific items? That's what most of us do.

[real pike]

No interest whatsoever, I just follow the trinket tier list like an ape and sim items on the fly when they drop in m+ raid

[haughty pewter]

#Supershit

[humble verge]

aint no way

on my alt as well

[real pike]

There is no need to be upset

[haughty pewter]

No, that's a joke from the new superman movie.

[real pike]

There's a new superman movie?

Oh is that the one with the guy from Skins

[haughty pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/russell-westbrook-nba-okc-thunder-what-huh-gif-5070054

[real pike]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-maxxie-skins-gen1-kiss-gif-25536897

[haughty pewter]

ayo

[real pike]

True UK chads know bout Skins

[haughty pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-sleep-pokemon-go-to-bed-gif-11107370558672847622

[oak tangle]

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[oak tangle]

is there a pin for the fatebound use of vanish to macro it to netherprism

or is that just a random suggestion

[desert crest]

Where did u see that?

[flint escarp]

is my vers/haste too low?

[oak tangle]

!dj

[prisma monolith]

Vanishing On Fatebound

• you vanish for double jeopardy, a Fatebound talent
• this causes your next flip to flip an additional coin, and this coin can be an edge-case coin
• because of this, you want to vanish when you know the next flip is an edge-case flip
• edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
• you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst

[flint escarp]

I see top assa players pump more vers

[desert crest]

U want to pop prism before cds so u buff coin and u want to vanish after mark so i think it will be quite bad to macro

U could maybe macro prism mark and vanish together tho?

[oak tangle]

yeah you can vanish before dm

to dj the edge case

hence a macro to vanish is fine for timing it to 3 min cds

[desert crest]

Sounds wrong to me but whatever

[oak tangle]

probs too used to MA vanish end of kb

[humble verge]

i wanted prism or forge

[desert crest]

Maybe i just have shit reading skills

[oak tangle]

@balmy condor is there anything fundamentally wrong with vanish before dm?

[oak tangle]

no i can read that

[fresh estuary]

should i get myth chest or hero araz? raidbots says 0.1%

[oak tangle]

but the interaction does not seem to matter where it goes

[balmy condor]

nah I do that sometimes with prism

like araz amp I'll do that

[humble verge]

sim, but myth chests is probably the best option

[desert crest]

So it is only on opener where we care about edge case?

[balmy condor]

no, you vanish every 3 min because of edge case

!dj

[prisma monolith]

Vanishing On Fatebound

• you vanish for double jeopardy, a Fatebound talent
• this causes your next flip to flip an additional coin, and this coin can be an edge-case coin
• because of this, you want to vanish when you know the next flip is an edge-case flip
• edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
• you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst

[desert crest]

But how can u know nex flip is edge case if u have not poped mark?

sorry if this this dumb question

[sharp lily]

You dont Vanish unless you are hitting DM

[oak tangle]

mark is an edge case

[sharp lily]

DM makes the flip an edgecase

[desert crest]

ohh i am dumb thanks

[humble verge]

is there anyone here using cursed stone idol?

[desert crest]

I thought pressing vanish insta poped the coins

[humble verge]

or has

[desert crest]

I had somehow never read the text of double jeopardy lul

[hidden beacon]

Like can we expect blizz to fix these bugs anytime soon or are we doomed?

Unbelievable

[balmy condor]

neither

the two big bugs are fatebound double cdr and singular focus

the first of which is annoying, the second is "big" numerically

but all in all it's like

not that big of a deal

[spare kayak]

Doomed, its over, delete game throw pc out go into mountain and become viking

[balmy condor]

we're still pumping without it

[normal mist]

Yesterday I had my first "tier set didn't activate at all" moment whispyr, during HC salad 🙁

[desert crest]

momentum of dispair bug is also kinda big in raid

[normal mist]

It was the first time so didn't bother me that much

[balmy condor]

yeh but you wouldn't play deathstalker on stuff anyway

like they fix momentum and what do you get

more soulbinder damage and like

maybe you have to suffer on araz for slightly more aoe?

but you wouldn't play deathstalker on nexus king or wahtever

[desert crest]

Soul hunters it should be better tho right?

[balmy condor]

follow the blood is good on soul hunters

[desert crest]

Yeah i guess true

[balmy condor]

momentum might be slightly better

but

[desert crest]

We are kinda lucky that we can avoid that talent in almost all content

would be crazy bad is follow the blood was cooked

[balmy condor]

yeah it's like 1 in 150 pulls

[normal mist]

There are more pulls where I can squeeze an extra KB for sure

[red schooner]

Twice for me last night on frac

[normal mist]

Oof, pain

[ancient ingot]

guys im newbee can someone help what should i take? im playing assa

[normal mist]

Did you sim it?

Antenna is a good contender

[midnight scroll]

i also need some help, idk if i should take the boots which are a 0.3% dps increase (i already have our bis boots on champ track) or should i take atomic phasebelt and hope i get the boots from raid (the belt sims as a 0.2% dps increase)

pretty shitty vault other than that

also by the boots i mean geezle's zapstep

[halcyon flame]

I have this vault ,I have antenna on heroic already ,but I dont have prism

[desert crest]

I mean i would take antenna and then just farm gold and hc frac so i could buy the next prism of some poor fool

getting myth antenna is gonna be much harder

[proud charm]

Where is the sheetscreen that shows everything bis / good items farmable raid and dungeon

!loot

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[halcyon flame]

I have some gold to spare

[velvet cairn]

imo dont take non reshii boots, better with belt. could be a socket angle too

[velvet cairn]

prism 100p

[velvet cairn]

antenna or hands imo

[midnight scroll]

took the belt, simmed it 3 times and got a different outcome 3 times lol

[ancient ingot]

not belt?

[potent oracle]

is worth to dot all ads on araz and soulbinder ?

[velvet cairn]

belt is okay but easier to get for you i think since taza hm

maybe do taza hm before taking if u get something there

[velvet cairn]

no

[dense willow]

I won a greed role on a heroic sigil of the hunt - is this a better passive trinket Pacemaker or Sac

[velvet cairn]

sim ur guy but on the top of my head i say its pretty bad

[dense willow]

sim says it's better which is why I am concerned

[velvet cairn]

i did rupture snipes otherwise its just caustic and other passive stuff

[velvet cairn]

what trinkets do u have?

[dense willow]

for FB myth lily and pacemaker for deathstalker I have H forge and pace maker atm

but have hero sac and hero sigil now

[ancient ingot]

belt not from taza on my i have vers mastery le

[velvet cairn]

no i mean do taza hm to try to get the belt from there first to help ur decision

[velvet cairn]

im not sure actually since i never seen someone use it if its good or not. but on the otherside that means its prob bad

also according to whispyrs simming its seems mediocre at best

[ancient ingot]

anyway u have +2.2

ig i should take antena

[velvet cairn]

ye antenna then

remember to do raid first if u can

[dense willow]

Reading sigil it seems like it might be ok for mythic +

[ancient ingot]

already did

[velvet cairn]

ye antenna then

[ancient ingot]

ty for help

[velvet cairn]

try it out a bit :p you will get a feel i believe

[velvet cairn]

no worries gl gl!

[dense willow]

will report back

[night vessel]

yo if i change my lootspec to outlaw for the vault, i still got the chance for all the is trinkets right?

[velvet cairn]

yes u do

only changes 1hs to be available

[ancient ingot]

btw im good with my stats? or i should take more haste, im trying to get chainbleed stats, i have 11k crit, 1k haste, 24k mastery, 14k vers

[velvet cairn]

chainbleed means optimised for bleed build?

[ancient ingot]

https://murlok.io/character/us/area-52/chainbleed/pve#gear this guy

[spice peak]

other than 18 what is the best time to send netherprism ?

[velvet cairn]

i mean its prob okay but sin usually stat weights go mas = crit -> haste -> vers

[velvet cairn]

its usually timer reliant but eg comparing a lily and prism 9 stacks is okay

[velvet cairn]

usually sim ur guy moment, its outdated to just go for x stat or x % of a stat. unless u need eg 10% vers to live a bolt on x keystone level. which is also kinda outdated nowdays

[stable pasture]

Is it worth running stone idol + on use like araz/lily?

[velvet cairn]

for example as sub on nexus king mythic u want to prism at 1.5m and then save to 18 for dmg amp at 4.5m. So its conditional in that way

[ancient ingot]

if im r vers for living in high keys mostly?

[velvet cairn]

stone idol feels bad due to cast time imo. but double on-use is kinda troll unless its prism+smth else

[stable pasture]

so far my only 2nd trinket is warpclaw so might be worth

[velvet cairn]

living in higher keys today is mostly reliant on stops and proper defensive usage. its not until title keys or hard overlaps u need vers. Example Shindig had problems on the dog boss last tier on their push key so he needed to use a vers pot which is definitly better alternative

[velvet cairn]

solid option as u said then. but i would recomend a pacemaker or maybe even a sacbrood. antenna or prism preferly

[stable pasture]

i still see so much usage of araz ritual forge over lily in keys

i guess because of 2min lineup

[ancient ingot]

im playing only 3 weeks never play before and bit confused, i ask some ppls they saying dont build like wowhead, if u want keys u go on myrlok.io and watch what top players building and their stats

[velvet cairn]

i would recomend watching whispyr talk about gear. tldr is that is kinda dont matter. their is no ”bis” and a lot of gear sims within 0.2% which means it does not matter

only relevant stuff with gear is to sim ur guy at raidbots for x content eg ST or dungeon slice. and follow trinket tier list kinda. not 100% but as a sense of direction

[pallid geyser]

Sorry, in Raidbots, when you indicate the failure rate of the astral antenna, do you tell it how long you've had it active or the percentage of orbs you can't catch?

[jade abyss]

People playing bleed build from wowhead in m+ people also: dont play like wowhead

[ancient ingot]

now im following sim and my stats on like 5 targets/st and what am i watching its how my crit/mastery give me more value in ST and mastery/vers in aoe

[velvet cairn]

% of orbs u miss. default is 30%

[round holly]

whats the benefit of lily over forge, if any?

[jade abyss]

Maybe the mainstat

[velvet cairn]

lines with FB cds. otherise 0

[ancient ingot]

im using hybrid build in keys, maybe its working not better but for me (noob) i have more value from him

[jade abyss]

Forget hybrid

Go bleed

[pallid geyser]

Ty

[jade abyss]

Im sure it will sim easy 1 mio higher

[velvet cairn]

i mean then ur are doing it right. dont pull up a guys stats and try to match, follow sim and ur good trust

[velvet cairn]

yeah would look into cleave build instead of hybrid to start. but bleed is the way sorry

[round holly]

yeah so pointless in key right? 2min trinket all the way

[velvet cairn]

yeah kinda. lily kinda shit too so dont be bothered with it

[round holly]

i mean sadly i dont raid so its shit or shit

[velvet cairn]

only okay if u a sub gamer that needs double onuse

[velvet cairn]

could be worth to do first two. they are easy and drop solid ring+antenna

[round holly]

meh, only bait big enough is prism for sub

but even then im not baited in yet

[velvet cairn]

yeah that too. could be good in bleed too

since u can do araz->araz->prism

which should be pretty bonkers for m+

[spice peak]

as assa in m+

[velvet cairn]

lily bad in m+, its not that good of a trinket

should aim for araz instead

signet is also a better version of lily if u mainly play m+

atleast in my sims

[round holly]

yeah that'll do i guess

[velvet cairn]

sim it to be sure imo

but i think its better since more stats for longer duration

[spice peak]

crystal mythic gives me alot in my sims

i have araz and prizm

[velvet cairn]

i mean i personally like araz+prism more in theory. since its consistent. but the crystal could be good too

[ancient ingot]

is it ok if im taking this thing instead left?

[velvet cairn]

its okay to take tricks over blackjack yes. But blackjack is in theory and practice better. specially in higher keys

[ancient ingot]

ye, but im only 2500

idk is it ok for 3 weeks or no, im trying my best

[velvet cairn]

better than 90% of the playerbase be proud!

[ancient ingot]

but im so tilted when i see how a lot of ppls deal more dmg then me also if they are a bit lower gear

mostly its ret paladins and hunters

[velvet cairn]

yeah its kinda a rouge fault but also class balance. I think u was the hybrid player before. but if u go bleed and learn it you will beat a lot of players

[ancient ingot]

already do bleed build now i should try to find how to play bleed build and is it same rotation or no

[velvet cairn]

also with the talent. hopefully this clears up why its good. 30% dr is really big specially when u (usually) last in stop prio for the dr if something goes through

[vale fox]

When should i be pooling resources on both ST FB and DS and M+ bleeds build. If anyone knows the answer plz @ me

[velvet cairn]

kinda. whispyr has a really good video explaining it

[ancient ingot]

i like this talent on ara kara and prio first stage

[velvet cairn]

FB pooling is when KB is about to come up and before dm+kb. Otherwise its a bit of a feeling when u should save or not. But generelly its okay to starve

[velvet cairn]

in m+ u just starve in st outside cds

[vale fox]

Noted

[velvet cairn]

and pool a little bit around 90 energy before cds on st. aoe u should never have problem with energy as i think u know

[vale fox]

Yup

I just never really focues on pooling since i had other bigger issues with my rogue to worry about

[balmy condor]

true, I seen that shit

[velvet cairn]

there is a optimal pooling for sanguine blades (above 150) but its not worth doing since its incredibly hard to do right

[vale fox]

Now i’m getting around to ironing it all out

[vale fox]

Hey bub cut me some slack i’m trying here 🤣

[balmy condor]

You said cut you?

[vale fox]

But for picking up rogue 3 weeks ago realistically i think i’m doing pretty good

Lmao

What a nerd

🤣🤣

Yo whysp

I would love to hop in a 5 minute call with you whenever you are doing log reviews again

[ancient ingot]

ok i should try because i dont want to see how every lost key ppls saying "last time i play with russians" also when im not lowest dps

[vale fox]

I want to ask my question but writing them is meh.

I get more value i think from live explanations

[balmy condor]

Catch me right after I get my wisdom teeth out for maximum whispyr-isms

[vale fox]

My adhd is all over the place

[velvet cairn]

thats sadly just the community. Just practice and you will do big dam!

[vale fox]

🤣🤣 boy off that perc

[velvet cairn]

keys are pretty toxic specially when pugging so dont mind it and just go hard

[vale fox]

Because i think i’m at a point that i need to iron out the most specific little things to get those 99 parses

[vale fox]

If my grandma had wheels she would’ve been a bike ahh analogy

🤣🤣🤣

[ancient ingot]

im learning 24/7 this game but i cant focus on everything like, now i cant press my buttons automaticly, also i should try see interrupts and dont miss it and also some tanks saying can u pulling some mobs bro

[balmy condor]

Your girl always ring the way I got motion at my front door

[spice surge]

Sir this is a wendys

[velvet cairn]

pulling mobs is not a rouge job imo. Getting a focus kick macro and tracker is significally easier to get into it. Muscle memory comes after time dont worry

[ancient ingot]

on last 11 prio i have a bit lower dps then my dk and he saying about my dps, but i having 42 interrupts when he have 7, idk on which thing i should focus

[vale fox]

Giving this man ban authority was a mistake i’m telling you

[golden loom]

logging out forever

[balmy condor]

Yeah, Wendy’s nuts in my mouth cause she hasn’t had bottom surgery but she’s still a queen and deserves love like everyone else, how bout that

[velvet cairn]

thats just dumb ass. just dont hear him out. playing meta spec and a really good kick and not using hes at fault. ur doing good

as long u kick do your dam and help with the key then ur doing good. Rest of improvement is muscle memory of spec and mastery of it. kicking the most important stuff, cordinating with group. learning when to stop

[balmy condor]

What did you call me

This post has been deleted

[vale fox]

Lol power abuse

I saw it

[spice surge]

[vale fox]

But i cant snitch cuz he’s helping me with my rogue

So i didnt see

[ancient ingot]

well guys ty for a lot of things im going smoke and watching Mr Whispyr guide how to play bleed build i hope thats not a lot of harder then hybrid, my fingers have just started memorizing, and now i swap

[balmy condor]

It’s true, bro gave a prime sub, he’s literally paying for my teeth

[spice surge]

Now it just looks like a called you a slur lmao

[balmy condor]

that’s what they said on Reddit too

[velvet cairn]

its chill. goodluck! the discord is here to help you. take care!

[vale fox]

Lol i gotchu broski

You deserve the support

[spice surge]

Smh my head reddit mod glazing multitrillion indie company blizzard

[vale fox]

Cut my learning curve by an exponential amount

[balmy condor]

CUT?

[vale fox]

He’s a lost cause

This is our guide writer btw

[humble verge]

bruh my alt kinda pooping

i just need a dagger

[vale fox]

Fck this guy ^

[humble verge]

[velvet cairn]

enchant ur weapon mr casual

[vale fox]

i had to go get a N 704 antenna

[velvet cairn]

smh

[balmy condor]

That’s Mr Diablo News Lead Sir to you

[humble verge]

i have your children

[half plover]

any info on how to sim this?

[vale fox]

And still didnt get a prism

And he outgears me on an alt

[velvet cairn]

eh fuck em, enchant ur gear broke boy

[vale fox]

Fck that guy

[balmy condor]

Add 1% dps to whatever number your sim spits out

[velvet cairn]

thats fire, u may not enchant ur dagger

[balmy condor]

Why is it so fried

[humble verge]

ask twitter dawg

thats where i get my shit

[humble verge]

but is this your main or youre alt

[balmy condor]

Oh heavens no

[eager bough]

main

[humble verge]

yeah but as i said

this is my alt

rogue

[balmy condor]

Bro you’re looking… a lil wide

[humble verge]

my main is slightly worse

[shy axle]

damn that reddit bullshit

[vale fox]

DOES EVERYONE HAVE BIS TRINKETS??!?

[humble verge]

ye u dont?

[velvet cairn]

natrually?

[balmy condor]

Yeah but it’s deleted

[humble verge]

i have bis trinkets

on both my alt and main

they both have myth antenna and hero prism

[vale fox]

FUCK NO I DONT

[humble verge]

slightly worse main* - but btw, why do you have those rings 😭

[shrewd night]

Is it really bis if its hero track

[eager bough]

[vale fox]

I HAD TO GO HUNT A NORMAL 704 ANTENNA

still waiting on my prism

[humble verge]

i got a champ antenna on my main in the TW chest

[balmy condor]

You didn’t buy myth BoE 2 ring+neck and then craft first two sparks on off piece and belt before getting funneled araz, prism, and antenna?

[humble verge]

i was hoping for forge but

lmao

[vale fox]

No buddy. I dont even have a guild

I pug everything

[humble verge]

kinda tempting

[eager bough]

nice I wasn't as lucky as you, but I still got accepted.

[balmy condor]

Oink lil piggy oink

[shrewd night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1288361913062789231/1415219456229249075/image.png?ex=68c26953&is=68c117d3&hm=ab2614f4bf6d5436d8c15d7f4a5271d17e6d0b57c25bfb339340b1be1d325203&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=482&height=324

[humble verge]

fuck you

fuck you

fuck you

[velvet cairn]

fuck you

[balmy condor]

Delve helm for cata, no?

[humble verge]

koffing sends 1 pic

[eager bough]

sadgeeeeeeeeee

[humble verge]

and gets 4 fuck you

[vale fox]

I really hope yall were caught in the fires of LA

To balance this luck out

[balmy condor]

JESUS

[velvet cairn]

i got tripple outlaw weapon wtf dude

[humble verge]

koffing do you have prism or forge already

i hope

[shrewd night]

No, I do have mythic antenna tho

[humble verge]

feels kinda tempting for sub tbh

i have the gold

i have 0 vers

[balmy condor]

Okay fuck you

[humble verge]

no fuck me 😏

[vale fox]

Send me 50k for this weeks consumables plz.

[eager bough]

you have mythic netherprism

[balmy condor]

Our first 3 antenna went to 2 locks and a mage

[shrewd night]

Just get it in vault, whats the problem

[balmy condor]

[humble verge]

go do a hc boost

its like 300k cut

[balmy condor]

Did you see my vault mate

[vale fox]

how?

[velvet cairn]

we have only gotten 1 antenna in total 2 weeks of 2 splits and mythic every week wtf

[humble verge]

git gud?

idk

[vale fox]

Im decent in heroic

[humble verge]

this was from a VIP HC i did yesterday, i was even saved on plex and forge

[vale fox]

But how would i boost cuz no guild lol

[velvet cairn]

yeah thats free money everyweek if u cba

[balmy condor]

We saw 2 loom daggers in heroic today, haven’t seen a myth loom dagger

[eager bough]

[humble verge]

0 99s

dawg

[velvet cairn]

only gotten 1 in total so i see u

[balmy condor]

Hey this looks like my myth parses but worse, nice work buddy

[strange quest]

are we supposed to use crimson tempest on st ?

[haughty pewter]

Is the main hand slot the right or left?

[vale fox]

I DONT HAVE FUCKING TRUNKETS

HDBREKBDJ

fck yall i’m going to bed

[velvet cairn]

holyyyyyy

[balmy condor]

With a bleed build yes

[humble verge]

well i cant really complain my logs are shit too

[vale fox]

Gn

[humble verge]

i have no r1

[strange quest]

i just copied a build from wow head idk if its bleed or not

[jaunty sky]

[vale fox]

How?

[humble verge]

if i could send invite to dawn without being filtered

i would

[velvet cairn]

there are boosting discords (basically internal groups that u sign up for x time)

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/hackquantum-dothackquantum-quantum-shamrock-tarvos-gif-25643376

[vale fox]

Ahh ok

Can you pm me some of those?

[eager bough]

https://tenor.com/view/ezio-auditore-da-firenze-ezio-auditore-ezio-gif-25151917

[vale fox]

One of these days when i get my trinkets i swear..

[balmy condor]

Probably is, you would CT in st, yes

[humble verge]

how am i worse than last season

with better logs

[balmy condor]

More gamers

[strange quest]

might as well do it

then

[humble verge]

how are more people playing this late in the expac

[jaunty sky]

FOTM spec sadge

[humble verge]

or are just people

[balmy condor]

Yes

[humble verge]

playing rogue cause muh "fotm"

[balmy condor]

Good patch, good rogue patch

[velvet cairn]

sent. cannot link u in my internal community sorry

[eager bough]

yeah but i tilt just for fatebound proc 😄

[vale fox]

Me stupid what dis mean??

[humble verge]

catch me lackin ever getting a fucking 8m log on forge lmao

wait wtf vain

[vale fox]

Also i didnt get a pm btw sophie

[humble verge]

are you just permaboosting?

[eager bough]

😂

[humble verge]

saved runs?

[balmy condor]

It means if your arms irl look anything like the arms in your name, you’d get snapped like a fucking twig the moment you get hit by a soft breeze

[vale fox]

And thanks for pointing me in the right direction

[eager bough]

yeah 😄

[orchid spear]

Sorry for noob q, is dungeon slice ok for assa?

[velvet cairn]

The groups in discords usually have their own discord which does service for x server = internal group = u kinda get a team for boost each week

[balmy condor]

Very good yes

[humble verge]

jesus

tf is your paycut for the season

[vale fox]

Thank god they dont

I dont wanna get snapped by elly shaman

[balmy condor]

Yeah of course not haha

[eager bough]

😄

[velvet cairn]

also benefictial if u know they are good. eg i boost with advance method and discoveries such sometimes

[spice surge]

Thunderbolts and lightning, very very frightening

[balmy condor]

Dude are you ok

[humble verge]

no, he didnt answer my question

[eager bough]

for what?

[balmy condor]

Like mentally

[vale fox]

Where did you say you sent me the link?

I cant seem to find it

[velvet cairn]

sent in discord pms

[eager bough]

yeah

[balmy condor]

I’m looking at 106 heroic dimensius kills

So ya know

I worry about you

[eager bough]

and this week start LS and VIp

[humble verge]

tf is LS

[balmy condor]

Lightning strike, used to be a really good skill in poe1

[humble verge]

id rather play LA

[eager bough]

im good dont worry 😄

[vestal granite]

Rip Splitting Steel

gutted

[eager bough]

yes mb

[ancient ingot]

wow, u so good, but me to, im not grey anymore, now im green Shrek

[humble verge]

im a grey whale

[eager bough]

😂

[humble verge]

that shit is what happens

when u die

and get ressed

try to get your deeps up but too late

[ancient ingot]

but idk how can i learning and practice if im not get invited because newbee and now have bad logs in raid

[humble verge]

find a guild :3

[strange quest]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-hide-in-shrubs-hiding-in-bushes-disappear-into-hedges-embarrassed-gif-24183287

[balmy condor]

Bro shows up in my stream, calls me poor, then goes in the rogue discord and posts ts

Vro…..

🥀

[humble verge]

i never called u poor

🤨

also i have posted that log before lmao

ure just noob

[balmy condor]

You did, I didn’t pull money out my bank and you were like “25k? Holy poor”

I remember it cause it hurt my feelings really bad

[humble verge]

25k is holy poor

[balmy condor]

Sorry I don’t just hold all my gold in my bags like a pleb

[humble verge]

get your money up, not your funny up

https://tenor.com/view/get-ya-money-up-gif-26485285

[eager bough]

😁

[shrewd night]

Hello, its time for your monthly koffing tax. Thatll be 1,5m please.

[balmy condor]

Bro get a second trinket I beg

[humble verge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/462658384295100427/1408530850265694278/chobotchu_-_1958653731836162201.gif

[vestal granite]

No way I actiually got it for real for real

[humble verge]

dont listen to this guy

[summer cape]

Has jastor been fixed by any chance?

[shrewd night]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-oven-gif-22673229

[balmy condor]

Real vault?

[ancient ingot]

Guys is it ok if im playing on i5 12400f and 4060ti and have 50fps on bosses in raid?

[vestal granite]

its Plexus helmet

[balmy condor]

Probably not, I don’t think they fixed gallywix the fight either

[balmy condor]

Gz on antenna

[summer cape]

i was looking at my parses and random ppl and it looks like it's at 86%-ish, sims are fucked up for this bug

[hearty seal]

it's earlier in the season tho

[balmy condor]

86% sounds like it’s working for you

[balmy condor]

At this point with 3rd spark, a ring craft could replace it anyways

[eager bough]

any idea when they gonna fix the assassin rouge bugs?

[lilac oyster]

never

[balmy condor]

In the future

[lilac oyster]

next expack

[hearty seal]

sometime between now and the heat death of the universe

[balmy condor]

Proof?

[humble verge]

@zenith elm @maiden sierra and me coming to aura farm and ruin Whispyrs day

[summer cape]

I will probably keep it for this week and craft a ring next week in case i can't get logic gate omega this week

[eager bough]

thats true

[zenith elm]

Always brother

[hallow bobcat]

what i do ?

[eager bough]

[balmy condor]

I’m running myth omega and a crafted when I craft

[zenith elm]

so i have a question

why do we send on 5+ and not 6+?

[eager bough]

dontttt thinkkk soooo 😄

[hearty seal]

it's an informed guesstimate

[balmy condor]

6 would overcap cp

[zenith elm]

ok, so if i have 4 and i can either garrote ou mutilate, i mutilate to still get 6+ ?

[hearty seal]

yes

[zenith elm]

saying this like if garrote is in pandemic

[eager bough]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-smile-person-gif-3593640814102488583

[balmy condor]

You can do either

Garrote would technically be the priority

[balmy condor]

According to sim logic

[hearty seal]

you want to get 5+, it doesn't really matter, but refreshing Garrote is better flow-wise

[balmy condor]

But it doesn’t matter really

[summer cape]

i just got myth alpha so my mastery gets a little bit fucked up if i replace jastor, gonna get rid ofn nerubian signet (versa>mastery) and run mastery fiber, need some more crit :V

[deep gyro]

If we cloak frac spread circle does the aoe around us still come out? I feel like i may have killed people

[balmy condor]

:( sucks

[humble verge]

YEAH FUCK YOU TOO

[balmy condor]

You can pre-cloak it

[humble verge]

why would you play sub on dawn

its literally assa key

[zenith elm]

yeah i need to get my head around that, learning sub so its a bit inconsistent compared to assa

[balmy condor]

Ass* key

[zenith elm]

that too

[shrewd night]

Ascii?

[humble verge]

your ass

[balmy condor]

Dawnbreaker and streets are two most giga aids m+ ever

[humble verge]

streets is gigaeasy tho

[shrewd night]

Streets is fine

[humble verge]

dawnbreaker is just straight ass because timer gets tighter the higher the key

[zenith elm]

and it bugs

a fcking lot too

[lavish wing]

i feel like this week was Antenna for all week

[humble verge]

what bugs

in db

[zenith elm]

WHAT BUGS?

[strange quest]

umm how are we supposed to reapply dots even after 2x vanish ?

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t matter if it’s easy, dungeon with 3 mini bosses and 5 actually bosses simply should not exist

[haughty pewter]

DB is kinda chill

[humble verge]

the only bug im clearly knowledgeable about

[zenith elm]

sometimes you're in combat and cant proc the first boss

sometimes you get through the boat

[humble verge]

is the left

boat

[hearty seal]

the basic idea is this:

1. 5 triggers ALL required interactions, 6 and 7 are just more gooder but not worth extra GCDs to get
2. your basic builder creates at least 2 CP, often more (because Muti hits twice and can crit any of these, so with 30% crit you actually generate 3+ CP with Muti 51% of the time), so you would often overcap if you press Muti at anything higher than 4
3. your finishers don't actually matter as long as they're consuming DSM (5+), applying DSM (7 only) and not wasting dot uptime

[humble verge]

that is aids

yeah i guess boats are cursed

just land on the topside

[lavish wing]

does this count as asking

[balmy condor]

Spoke people tab, some mouseover

[haughty pewter]

Streets is easy

[strange quest]

wait each and every mob or what ?

[zenith elm]

yes

at least the important ones

[strange quest]

https://tenor.com/view/animaniacs-now-its-getting-scary-baloney-gif-19978041

[midnight scroll]

very long though

[hearty seal]

extremely slowly

[haughty pewter]

That's because they won't just get rid of the rp. too much damn talkiiiiing

[zenith elm]

you just munch the adds

a bit like a tortoise

https://tenor.com/view/chiikawa-hachiware-usagi-anime-cute-gif-2232118539245262356

@humble verge

[humble verge]

i decided not to save this, but you did

whar

[zenith elm]

its bc i love you

[normal mist]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/908700390743216138/1406790600992493659/horse_eye_zoom_small_1.gif

[zenith elm]

i'm learning sub for new extansion

so i can be good

[zenith elm]

and maybe end of season

[haughty pewter]

@balmy condor should I be potting on DM at under 30% or on pull?

[summer cape]

this looks like way too much crit tho

[zenith elm]

You pot on BL

[humble verge]

why would you not pot on pull

or BL i guess

[zenith elm]

not enough

[haughty pewter]

I am potting on pull, just trying to figure out how I can squeeze out more damage.

[zenith elm]

for FB? not enough AT ALL

[midnight scroll]

this is interesting, i've started playing sin in S1 of tww, so i have no experience in not sending finishers at 5+ combo points, what were we doing before that?

[hearty seal]

idk, I only started in TWW (all of my previous exp is like Cata and back, which...was very different)

[vital sundial]

Is Lily still the best choice for Deathstalker and 2 min Deathmark? As it only lasts 15 secs, opposed to the 20 secs duration on other on use such as Signet

[midnight scroll]

yea i played combat in cata, i kinda miss it, although i'm really enjoying using more than 3 spells in a fight

[oak tapir]

Hey guyz. What is your dmg breakdown at m+ ?

[humble verge]

if youre not stacking mastery so that signet gives mastery

i would just use lily

[fickle quiver]

Yo guys. I'm in doubt what to go for in this vault. Currently i have heroic pants, normal araz and heroic prism trinkets. Im considering swapping to sub in m+.

What are your thought? x)