#assassination

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velvet cairn
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okay thats pretty good then

knotty forge
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How do u plan ur cds as sub when u doing hc

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Nexus king - do u send 1 dance on add

velvet cairn
knotty forge
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Or two

velvet cairn
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think its this part ur talking about

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but this is mythic keep in mind

oak tangle
knotty forge
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Ur fast

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Thx

velvet cairn
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most people do around 2 dances tho

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since cds come up there

oak tangle
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i do 3 dances

sharp viper
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a lot of boss dmg for sure but that's also an unholy amount of caustic spatter

velvet cairn
velvet cairn
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#destroyingAssaMental

fierce sigil
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So at Nexus King hc u send Full CDs into Titan? And dont have CDs for damage amp on Dragon After?

sharp viper
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YEK that's what I did

oak tangle
velvet cairn
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on my log i went from 4.3m dps to boss to 6.82 with adds included

velvet cairn
fierce sigil
oak tangle
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anyone know if you can compress the timescale on the timelines section of wcl

velvet cairn
fierce sigil
velvet cairn
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newest pic

fierce sigil
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Oh… Crazy

velvet cairn
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but also with sole purpose of padding adds and getting cds in amp

fierce sigil
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I feel Like it wont line up Cause the Titan and the adds explode in hc 🙈

velvet cairn
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this one is prob more like urs

oak tangle
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yeah flag at the start of adds, lines up perfectly with start of the amp

velvet cairn
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they skip 2nd blades to get earlier dmg on adds so it lines up

oak tangle
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if you flag on cd, you are delayed for both

fierce sigil
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Ok

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Ty

velvet cairn
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in mythic same timer flag comes about 10 sec in the platform similare to hc

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but due to it lasting longer its not troll

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but hc u can squeeze a lot more in dmg amp specially with prism

oak tangle
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that's the adds intermission

sharp viper
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heroic saladbar logs are a memefest

oak tangle
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😄

knotty forge
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So hc - 1 forge blades on pull 2nd set cds again forge on adds and 3th full stacked prism on amp

oak tangle
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i use prism on adds

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cause im pad whore

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and they are 3 mins into fight

knotty forge
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Pad is the pall buff?

velvet cairn
oak tangle
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if you're being ethical you would prism amp

velvet cairn
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logs do this

sharp viper
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just prism 90s into the fight and then on the dmg amp

velvet cairn
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so a fully stacked for adds (or semi stacked) and a smaller prism on amp

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so prob around 9 stacks prism for amp and fully stacked on adds

hollow void
velvet cairn
velvet cairn
hollow void
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Never heard of that, thx!

velvet cairn
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u can take top logs timers to ert

oak tangle
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this is amp phase

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so realistically i coulda been ethical and could maybe burst more

sharp viper
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just beware that top logs never have to do mechanics

velvet cairn
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if u click on someones name u can get this other window which u can copy paste into ur mrt note to use TR or eh the other one to see when they click to "remind" you

velvet cairn
sharp viper
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i got disenchanted with lorrgs when I had to do bombs on tindral

knotty forge
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Can i filtr out new logs on loergs

velvet cairn
velvet cairn
knotty forge
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Cuz average gear dif plus add nerd to hp

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Can make it so on average now adds finish quicker

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So amp is faster

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Nerd*

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Nerf

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Fml

velvet cairn
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most top logs are the newest ones. otherwise u will have to find a person on warcraftlogs that is in top x position and take it from lorrgs from there

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example, newest log is #20 which means u find his name double check its same on lorrgs then u can take his cds

knotty forge
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I also filtr out some by my estimated kill time

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With my dad guild

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6-7min

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Which cuts it to around 7logs

oak tangle
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i can never get good parses on soul hunters, our ranged are too busy running the hunt soak into the middle of nowhere

hollow void
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Thats a pretty neat website thanks @velvet cairn

knotty forge
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Ye its bonkers

velvet cairn
# knotty forge Which cuts it to around 7logs

yeah nothing wrong to look at "better" logs, sometimes its a killtime diff or who gets padd or not. its just good to see if ur supposed to delay cds or not. eg araz u delay 30 sec

velvet cairn
oak tangle
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have to sneak in a lil bit of padding

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i was at least ethical and didnt black powder on add platform

knotty forge
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What is padd

sharp viper
knotty forge
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What does it mean

velvet cairn
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like soulbinder adds are important to kill but they get cleaved pretty well, but a bm hunter going full monkey on aoe and doing 0 st thats padd

velvet cairn
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like we have 0 problems with adds on araz. so i would call this padd to some part

knotty forge
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There is this guy on my guild who is a beast, xyrien-shadowsong i respect him a lot for playing like robot, 99 parse kind aof thing, ele sham. Wanna beat him in fights i can

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And if it requirws me to padd

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I padd

velvet cairn
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for comparisons

knotty forge
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On hc at least on prog diff story

velvet cairn
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yeah this is some random reclear

sharp viper
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playing like a robot Suseg

knotty forge
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Sus but no cheating

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Trust

oak tangle
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titan is important, so i'm only half memeing about padding

velvet cairn
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hes prob very good (no flame but prob ur team thats also a bit badge)

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this is one araz in ur guild thats a pretty big leap between #1 and #2 on details

knotty forge
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Ye totally this 2 things, guild bad he giga good

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I am also not on the level I want to be

oak tangle
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padding would be that i dont top damage on titan and instead went full even cleave on all targets

velvet cairn
velvet cairn
knotty forge
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Thx for cutting 3th dps on that ss

oak tangle
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be proud of your wins, and work on the losses

velvet cairn
oak tangle
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more often than not, sacrificing mechanics isn't actually the way to better parses

velvet cairn
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ur better than the "idol" in st

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which is what ur supposed to do (even if ele is broken)

knotty forge
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Thx, I try

static glacier
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@oak tangle you tried sin on saladbar? I was too high for 1st night of prog so just defaulted sub

oak tangle
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i see target swapping with adds, i dont talent into sin

static glacier
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kekw

oak tangle
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XD

static glacier
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on paper sin should be good at titan dmg

velvet cairn
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i lowkey wanna try sin on mythic saladguy

oak tangle
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not that mark management can't be done, but i dont wanna deal with it

velvet cairn
fresh kelp
static glacier
velvet cairn
static glacier
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mightasswell just go ds

velvet cairn
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prob better than a shitty sub

static glacier
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20% more ct dmg

velvet cairn
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true true

static glacier
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and mark swap is ez

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you can hold vanish for titan then it comes back for dragon

oak tangle
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theoretically you could hold a dsm from boss into add phase too

static glacier
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yeah that would be the general aim

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i just worry with the singular focus bug if sin can compete with sub

oak tangle
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p1 and 2 would be quite nice for sin damage, and then p3 carried by the execute, on paper it looks kinda nice

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sub is just so much less work right now

static glacier
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ye

oak tangle
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and with add hp nerf, only gonna get worse, if adds dont last a sin burst

velvet cairn
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but the st is kinda tight on boss

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which makes ds less worth right

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either u cd add platform or dmg amp

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meanwhile fb can do both

jaunty sky
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just found out i missed a whole DM cast on my saladbar kill lmao

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no wonder my dmg was bad

knotty forge
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Is there a situation in which 400 prime stat<600 secondary stat

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Thinking about vault 🤤

jaunty sky
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yeah but i don't think it's gonna happen on assa

oak tangle
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we have a emote for this 🙂

sullen fjord
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bugs fixed when

oak tangle
digital venture
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Any wa master that knows if it's possible to have a WA that tracks your Deathstalker Mark's target and if you click on the WA it targets it back for you?

drifting cloud
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clickable was in combat dont really work anymore

digital venture
weary stump
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Probably a focus on whoever has that debuff

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If you want to swap a lot anyways

cunning needle
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yeah

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something like that

split cipher
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I just mouseover garrote and rupture and stay on my dm target in the opener

cunning needle
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but its not perfect

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since you might change targets later

nova gust
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why swap tho?

weary stump
digital venture
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If anyone can cook something I'd appreciate I'm very bad with WA

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I have one that tracks de DS mark but it only reads if target has it or not

nova gust
cunning needle
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could make a custom plater where it makes the healthbar SUPER MASSIVE BIG

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but i dont know how to cook plater

jaunty sky
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Even if you show a big healthbar the hitbox to click it stays the same

marsh topaz
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Why would they fix the bugs ? To nerf the class after ?

grim jay
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no matter the impact

bronze marsh
velvet cairn
quartz path
velvet cairn
tranquil jungle
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Hello guys, can someone tell me how some top parses rogues are able to throw like 20-30 more envenom than me in a fight of 6-7Min (mythic boss ST) when i wasted less energy than them ?

velvet cairn
frigid kestrel
velvet cairn
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think that does what u wanted right

velvet cairn
tranquil jungle
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wait that was fast

velvet cairn
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if ur low energy and pop a rupture on a almost dead ring add u get energy refunded

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scales with combo points

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na could be

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havent looked

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wtf

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thats my log

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xd

scarlet orbit
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you also have mistakes in your opener the shiv is supposed to be before dm

velvet cairn
tranquil jungle
desert crest
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tbf i am pretty sure perfecto from echo also messed up the shiv in opener

velvet cairn
tranquil jungle
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but im trying to throw kingsban after what i didn't respect there

scarlet orbit
desert crest
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Atleast i remember seeing him not do it right at least a couple pulls

split laurel
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We using coins now for assa or is that a raid thing?

main bridge
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Fatebound single target thing

quiet oriole
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We are progressing loom on Mythic and im getting flamed for not swapping to break the tangles. Should I tell them to go F themselves or because I can play fatebound it's not as bad as reverb was?

tranquil jungle
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loomitar there

fresh kelp
tranquil jungle
split laurel
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Ah ok. I primarily do m+. Only used fatebound on sub

tranquil jungle
velvet cairn
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if u dont solve i can help after my key

fresh kelp
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the main difference i see here is just that you have less crit and less haste tbh

fresh kelp
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should be using stat enchants on your weapons fwiw

quiet oriole
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!rik

prisma monolithBOT
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Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

  • Not your problem.
  • Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
  • If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
  • Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
    With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
  • Swap to Subtlety.
velvet cairn
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fatebound scales good on crit

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more crit more cp

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if i remember right i got a lot of good crits with both daggs in end too

main bridge
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If they’re not even doing the opener correctly I’m not sure telling them stats are the problem is a good idea

fresh kelp
desert crest
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More crit is worth around 1%

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If ur stats are optimzied for m+

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Opener is less than that i think actually lul

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But yeah probably other mistakes reducing dmg also

tranquil jungle
main bridge
tranquil jungle
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but i think im not doing huge mistake juste a lot of a little mistake that are resulting with a big lose of dps

fresh kelp
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2x mutilate casts show up as 4 in logs

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each hand attack counts as a cast

tranquil jungle
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waht the hell i just saw

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look at this

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wtf is ambush giving him 111 combo point

red schooner
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One of them is in French, this may be the issue garf

velvet cairn
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aka me

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not better

tranquil jungle
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but the things is that he was able to throw 38 ambush

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when i only did 9

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what could explain that

velvet cairn
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do u use ambush when proc?

red schooner
desert crest
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He does i think

red schooner
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Might just be giga unlucky on blindsides

velvet cairn
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i got a lot in end i think

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not anything notable in middle i think

desert crest
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Seems very strange that he procs so little tho

velvet cairn
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check blindside uptime

desert crest
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I just posted his uptime

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He only procs 8 times

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Unless i am mistaken

main bridge
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Just be more lucky ez

desert crest
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vs 38 on the other log

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LIke wtf

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The chances of that must be insane

main bridge
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Swedish hacks

velvet cairn
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guys

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obviously

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im insane?

main bridge
fresh kelp
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im pretty sure 8 procs is a terminal lowroll

red schooner
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Correct choice

desert crest
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Yeah 38 is very high but 8 is also very low

fresh kelp
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like at 5:30 into the fight we've cast nearly 100 mutilates (15% chance) and procced twice

spice spire
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W

tranquil jungle
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so my main mistake there is that my luck suck ? xD

main bridge
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you are Fatebound....to be unlucky

tranquil jungle
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i guess i ll try again tomorrow then

spice spire
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Yeah that’s a cataclysmically low chance of hits

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That’s impressive actually

fresh kelp
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well there are other issues with damage but your envenom casts being low is largely in part due to this proc (and having low crit)

primal jolt
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!pooling

prisma monolithBOT
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  • Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
  • Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
  • Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.
desert crest
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The probability of the gap between the 2 and 3 proc has probability: 0.85^54=0.015%

tranquil jungle
desert crest
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Like that is crazy

tranquil jungle
main bridge
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i think it's more productive to focus on the issues in your control

desert crest
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One out of 6500 pulls

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Bro hit the master lowroll

digital venture
primal jolt
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so if i macro shiv to tristletea, do i have to pay attention to the 30% energy or what i cant seem to find that

main bridge
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no

wet spire
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Just ignore tea lol

primal jolt
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i remember that being a thing

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ah okay

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wtf

spice spire
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Tea doesn’t exist it can’t hurt you

red schooner
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Tea is gonna proc, it happens, bind it to shiv and remove it from your bars

primal jolt
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is the same for ST and AOE?

velvet cairn
red schooner
primal jolt
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tyvm

red schooner
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5 ruptures out leads to you being capped

primal jolt
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bro no pooling, no tea, ive been missing out

red schooner
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No thought, just hit buttons

primal jolt
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you guys are eating good copium

spice spire
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Yeah

spice spire
fresh kelp
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unless my probability math is wrong, the chance of only proccing a 15% hit twice or less in 101 casts is like 0.0002%

weary stump
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Okay but hear me out, we make a weak aura that makes thistle tea look like coffee

primal jolt
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is kb still bugged?

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from back in df

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or what lol

main bridge
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there are so many bugs that i think we have to ask "which bug"

primal jolt
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XDDDD

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based

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love it

golden loom
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pins have them

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or the most relevant ones

balmy condor
jagged niche
primal jolt
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hell yeah

velvet cairn
balmy condor
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You too man

velvet cairn
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but aint no way that ambush is the diff

balmy condor
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Grats

primal jolt
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oh yeah i remember someone giving me the opener weakaura with spell timelines marked

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is that still a thing

balmy condor
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No

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The timings aren’t tight anymore

primal jolt
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okay that's all the questions I've had Ty

balmy condor
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They removed a ton of the super complex stuff

primal jolt
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well yeah no pooling no tea

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like god damn

velvet cairn
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@tranquil jungle did u feel its solved?

balmy condor
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No ma timing

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No shiv timing

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Kb lower cap

spice spire
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No bitches

primal jolt
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that's also nuts

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pretty dope tbh

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rlly excited to dig back into sin

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after a while

balmy condor
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No echoing reprimand

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No dance

primal jolt
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wait its deleted??

balmy condor
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They reworked it

primal jolt
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bro this is awesome

balmy condor
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It’s just next 2 finishers

primal jolt
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all the shit i hated is gone

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but ye tysm for catching me up to speed

balmy condor
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Glad to hear it, back to bed with my ass it’s 7am

primal jolt
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appreciated

balmy condor
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And I need to be up at 9:30

primal jolt
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just stay up at that point

spice spire
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Go to sleep king

tranquil jungle
balmy condor
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Shithead

spice spire
balmy condor
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I love him less rn

velvet cairn
balmy condor
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He made biscuits on my nutsack

velvet cairn
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he got a phd in energy and rouge mechaniks

primal jolt
velvet cairn
balmy condor
spice spire
jagged niche
coral ibex
velvet cairn
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and i think the convo ended with i gapped him in rng blindside

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idk i was mid key

balmy condor
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Is he finishing on 5

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@tranquil jungle I assume you is he

tranquil jungle
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y this is me

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and y im using envenom at 5+pc

balmy condor
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30 env less and you finish on 5

tranquil jungle
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are u managing ur energy or just using it on cd

balmy condor
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I’m sending it unless my muscle memory takes over and I pool like a dumbass

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It’s a bad habit I have

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I can’t stop pooling

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It’s just so engrained

tranquil jungle
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ahah its ok then

velvet cairn
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im sending it on 5 or more too yes

agile osprey
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I take it the current bugs is the reason no one is playing DS on mythic araz?

tranquil jungle
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we are ok that mutilate switch to ambush when we got a blindside prok

cunning needle
prisma monolithBOT
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  • Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
  • Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
  • Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.
velvet cairn
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blindside is better than mutilate yes

hexed harbor
cunning needle
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i assume though that pooling is dps neutral

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as in you don't really lose dps if you pool

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so long as youre not wasting energy

tranquil jungle
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like u said the difference is crazy

main bridge
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You don’t need that

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Mutilate turns into ambush when blindside procs

velvet cairn
balmy condor
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Yeah idk I took a glance

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Bad procs, no crit, shit enchants

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Like 450 energy less from dashing scoundrel

tranquil jungle
velvet cairn
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this is what my rouge uses

tranquil jungle
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i saw deep of the depth if cool in ST

balmy condor
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Any of the secondary stat ones

balmy condor
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Depths and radiant power are awful

tranquil jungle
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really ? even in m+ ?

velvet cairn
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specially with fatebound it scales well with crit so crit enchant is really good

desert crest
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sec stat scaling in s3 is just insane

velvet cairn
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i swapped like 1 week ago

desert crest
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mana oil is also siming higher for me even in m+ build

balmy condor
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Secondary stat enchants were like -0.2% last patch

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Same with oil

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Oils kinda always been basically equal

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But 4x the price

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Didn’t make any sense to spend more money for identical damage

desert crest
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But it does make some stuff a bit more complex

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like main stat food is worse now i think

weary stump
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The choice of accepting slight loss to whetstone for more money or less money but mana oil

velvet cairn
weary stump
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Suffering truly

tranquil jungle
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i didn't take care to my enchants & stuffs but this is very interesting

balmy condor
desert crest
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Which like no one seems to care about

velvet cairn
balmy condor
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The only thing that really matters are weapon enchants tbh

desert crest
balmy condor
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Gems, food, temp enchants

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They’re all kinda whatever

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Embellishments?

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Who cares

weary stump
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We embellish how significant they are to feel better

balmy condor
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You’re just constantly picking between something that’s 0.8% and another thing that’s 0.85%

tranquil jungle
desert crest
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But atm swaping from all main stat to all sec stat will be quite a bit now i think

tranquil jungle
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but im gonna test this tomorrow

velvet cairn
tranquil jungle
tranquil jungle
velvet cairn
balmy condor
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What an utter waste of time

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I don’t even bother simming gems

spice lagoon
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just socket them things and call it a day

desert crest
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But @balmy condor u are just build different

tranquil jungle
desert crest
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Some of us need all the dmg we can get

tranquil jungle
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i was lost i didn't know how to improve dmg so i took anything i found xD

balmy condor
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Open character, see 7x crit/mast gems

desert crest
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How will i get 100 parse in lfr if i am not optimizing my food

balmy condor
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SPECIAL GEM NOT GOOD????

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WHISPUR?????

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DA GUIDE SAY GEM?????

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Gets a little old

vestal granite
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me sitting at 10 coins not pressing a button for 5 seconds, asking myself when the bugs will get fixed

main bobcat
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Hello why don't you have a blasphemite when it's in .... the guide....

main bobcat
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I added pwave to my bars btw

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It's now my explosve trap

balmy condor
pine tide
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Is assas still the go-to spec for +15 keys and below? Or is sub generally stronger now in keys?

desert crest
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But whisper my 25 target 15 min sim says that gems are cooked

lime onyx
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u gotta do a 66 min 6 target sim for best accuracy dude smh

desert crest
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ohh shi sorry

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will re sim all my gems and food and enchants and recrafts to see if anything changes

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be back in 2 hours

somber sparrow
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120 minutes it is then

royal lantern
somber sparrow
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one's an innie and one's an outie

desert crest
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Yeah in guide he is never crashing out

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very sus

spice spire
weary stump
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Imagine the fun of our crash outs when our spec is even buggier come midnight s1

primal jolt
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wait important question can dimencius parry our attacks

weary stump
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Yeah

primal jolt
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I'll jump off the platform when it happens ty

weary stump
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It's for immersion

primal jolt
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just attack him from the back bro

hollow fulcrum
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if i dont get prism today in vault im crashing out

weak plover
#

Get to crashing

weary stump
#

You will instead get rings

hollow fulcrum
#

its funny cux my dk got it first run within thr firdt hour at lvl 80

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and forge

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and idil

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and antenna

red schooner
#

The game is mocking you for having a DK

#

Alts can't get good vaults if you have no alts

slim jetty
#

i have prism, but i dont know how to use it.
I macro it to DeathMark, but it feels unoptimal.

hollow fulcrum
#

youd use double on use if you play sub but idk whats optimal for ass tbh

#

i just use forge seaforium in keys

jaunty sky
#

With DM

loud gull
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
loud gull
#

any1 knows how to chance color of target in plater that has deathmark on it ?

main bridge
#

I think all of the above plater profiles do that

#

I know Whispyrs does

loud gull
#

yeh but i like the profile i have atm abit more

main bridge
#

So look at how the others do it

tranquil jungle
#

if u want to add this to ur actual plater

loud gull
#

didnt even think of that

#

might be genius might be fraud

tranquil jungle
#

i did that for "no rupture" i put red border color hover every target were aura is missing

main bridge
#

Might also make stuff up as LLMs often do

tranquil jungle
#

i never tried to update a plater and did it pretty fast like 20min with gpt

loud gull
#

hmm doesnt chance color for me

#

local hasMark = Plater:UnitHasDebuff (unitFrame.unitId, SPELL_ID_OF_DEATHSTALKERS_MARK)
if hasMark then
unitFrame.HealthBar.Border:SetVertexColor(r, g, b)
else
unitFrame.HealthBar.Border:SetVertexColor(defaultR, defaultG, defaultB)
end
got this code, maybe its in there i guess

tranquil jungle
#

u need to switch this "SPELL_ID_OF_DEATHSTALKERS_MARK" with "457157"

slim jetty
#

FateBound SingleTarget - i press Shiv -> DeathMark to Buff the Coins on DeathMark
DeahStalker AOE - i press DeathMark -> Shiv because i dont have the coin mechnic and this is then the better order

Do i understand that right?

primal jolt
#

should i never manually swap targets for garrote and rupture in aoe? or i just let carnage do its job

tranquil jungle
primal jolt
#

k

#

shadowlands ptsd

tranquil jungle
#

tab target is ok at the opener but not that much when u are actually fighting and u want to refresh dot manually or with vanishing

#

u want to optimise ur uptime on main target

coral ibex
ornate gate
#

did they change it so you get loot from bosses you dont down?

coral ibex
#

it isn't a change but yes

round fjord
coral ibex
#

because of the dungeon journal order

#

people kill soulbinder 2nd but he's the 3rd boss

#

people kill fract 5th but he's the 6th boss

blazing tulip
ornate gate
#

so it goes by journal order

#

thats pretty dank

round fjord
#

holy

#

killed soulb/plex only

ornate gate
#

i got the same thing i was so confused

lyric vale
#

guys on st fate bound if the bug that reduce my kb and deathmark 2 time after first use

#

should i wait for cold blood to come up?

oak tangle
#

took a heroic antennae on my dh, time to see what rogue gets

#

boring 🙁

hoary mist
primal jolt
#

what happens if i shadow step dimencius

cyan trellis
#

Are either of these trinkets myth worth it if I have Heroic prism? For raid or m+?

humble verge
#

you die

#

like literally

#

afaik

#

you just jump into his sphere and get instakilled

coral ibex
#

i dont think thats actually true because ive watched every rogue pov of mythic dimensius

humble verge
#

like, gallywix' step is so bad

#

😭

coral ibex
#

and they all shadowstep to cancel the knockback

#

i think its dependent on your angle

primal jolt
#

i love having a borderline useless mobility spell

#

for last bosses at least

coral ibex
#

timestamp

#

you can see exile shadowsteps the tank knock

#

and he doesn't step to another player

weary stump
primal jolt
#

professional shadow stepper

sand otter
short olive
round fjord
#

m daggers, araz heroic, or m track head

oak tangle
coral ibex
#

because usually when you step something in the air, you fall down

#

and he doesn't appear to fall

#

maybe im wrong tho

oak tangle
#

you get knocked sideways there not up though

coral ibex
#

you definitely go up some

#

you dont slide on the ground

oak tangle
#

i mean yeah, but you dont go high, and if mid knock is the max height, stepping at the start will have you near ground, #physics

weary stump
coral ibex
#

yea i guess so

round fjord
oak tangle
golden loom
oak tangle
#

probs also shares the same soak in p3

earnest remnant
golden loom
#

he had weakaura reminders to focus priest in p1 and then to swap his focus to atlas in p2

primal jolt
earnest remnant
#

in p1 it just puts you infront of him
p3 you just go to his backside

primal jolt
#

i was lied to

oak tangle
earnest remnant
#

no

#

you are still on the platform

oak tangle
#

yeah but i get bonked by tank aoe

primal jolt
#

i was told you get sucked in and insta die

earnest remnant
#

if the tank stands at the edge yeh u do

#

but they normally kinda dont, so you are mostly fine, just annoying to ahve to absolutely sprint back to drop puddles

oak tangle
#

i shadowstepped from too far away and same thing ended up happening, and i used hunt on my dh and ended up inside his hitbox, p1 is trolling me

coral ibex
#

this is also why you have to first gcd shadowstrike a mass

#

because otherwise you end up in front of the tank

#

and then its gg

oak tangle
#

ye

earnest remnant
#

well you can just take 1 step forward and strike boss

coral ibex
#

ill just hit the mob and not risk it

earnest remnant
#

but on mythic you nuke the first adds anyway, so i dont even strike

oak tangle
#

that's what i've ended up doing, but our tank likes to try and help do damage to first mob

earnest remnant
#

i insta flag into dance+stab-sectech

coral ibex
earnest remnant
#

nah, its just for killing the first set of adds asap

#

cuz all adds need to be dead for them to drop their excess mass

#

and you need all 6 to live the suck

jagged niche
#

how do you guys keep your damage consistent on the Saladbar fight?

i find that for the first few seconds i'm at top of the meters, but after that first cooldown cycle is finished, and energy starts dropping low, i quickly move back down to 7-8th spot

coral ibex
#

well its a fight with adds and then an amp

oak tangle
#

haven't played sin on it to relate, but you're (depending on the build) a 1:30 spec

coral ibex
#

so i wouldn't really worry about your damage

#

other than after those phases

#

and you're basically describing "guys my damage goes down after my cd's end"

#

which is entirely expected

#

thats just how cooldowns work

oak tangle
#

you have quite a comeback in execute, etc

weary stump
#

King salad needs to give us a pet that's a leafy green version of himself

coral ibex
#

its just how the spec works

main bridge
#

The phase with the titan on the island is also huge for us

#

I always shoot back up there

pulsar gulch
#

!gear

weary stump
# coral ibex

Don't label them sad faces they're simply happy times building up

pulsar gulch
#

Random but does anyone know the source to this gear chart? I tried searching those usernames cant find it

#

Wondering if theres one for all specs/ classes

weary stump
#

Could ping fuu and ask

tight oracle
#

pretty sure fuu is the source

weary stump
#

@vestal wren we have a quandary above

tight oracle
#

unless the meaning of author changed

vestal wren
#

whats the question?

weary stump
#

They want to know if you're the gearing chart source

vestal wren
#

yes, i did that

#

if there is something wrong lmk

oak tangle
#

is that just a sub sheet fuu?

weary stump
#

@pulsar gulch they did it

golden loom
#

it says assa

#

but the guy wanted to know if theres one for all specs/classes

vestal wren
#

na, i only did for rogue

#

also i asked solo/zac/whispyr/etc for input

weary stump
#

Also unrelated, mayo or butter for grilled cheese

vestal wren
#

grilled cheese isn't that common in asstria, think the classic is mayo tho

weary stump
#

This shall be noted in the archives antennaglorp

vestal wren
#

but ye i basically, do/did !sheet, !loot and !up this tier.
The 2nd was a last minute idea i had, !up only because the author of the old version stopped playing wow it seems and i did not find a good replacement.

coral ibex
#

the loot command is very useful

vestal wren
#

ye, i think it can be improved visually

#

but its good for a first version/iteration

oak tangle
raven wave
#

Got a vault with myth track lily + pacemaker and a hero netherprism. Simmed it out (dungeon slice) and hero netherprism beats out the mythic track trinkets by a decent margin. Does that sound reasonable? Just want to gut check it before I pass on mythic track S tier trinkets . . .

oak tangle
#

sounds correct

main bridge
high nacelle
#

Simmed as fate bound or mark?

raven wave
#

mark

high nacelle
#

Lily will sim higher on fate most likely

loud gull
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
grim jay
#

tho

#

just with less stacks

rigid fable
#

they neferd the belt delve?

pulsar gulch
still glade
#

I used to have a clear the witness weakaura sound but i had to purge my computer after a very serious hack. Anyone have such a weakaura? I can't remember where i got it. shotgun sound somehow.

grim jay
#

it will be nerfed later

lament bolt
#

Belt will be nerfed with the .5 patch I believe

rigid fable
#

ok

weary stump
storm forum
#

I'm a butter believer.

languid light
#

Antenna or Pacemaker?

deep breach
#

antenna harder to get surely

quiet oriole
#

Sim it but I cant see a world you dont take antena

warm vortex
coral ibex
#

if i race change before mythic raid tonight, will it affect my lockout at all

#

or do i have to do it monday night before reset

storm forum
#

Someone likes their grilled cheese ashy

weary stump
#

Bring back having to throw grenades at bosses for more damage

desert crest
#

Anyone know if loom is in loottable for vault if u kill 1st and 3rd boss?

loud gull
#

is there a WA or addon that shows if u dotted the complete pack ? sometimes shit get clusterd and cant see in big pulls

desert crest
#

Nice thanks

acoustic roost
desert crest
#

Yeah so u just get all the loot from bosses earlier then the one u killed then i guess

coral ibex
polar notch
#

Would a 720 crafted belt be better that the delve belt? I just see everyone still using the delve belt

desert crest
#

It will be turbo boost craft so higher thaan 720 tho right?

#

But i think it will be better anyway

coral ibex
#

prob a waste of a craft

#

before 11.2.5 at least

desert crest
#

U can recraft tho right?

polar notch
#

I already have my other two crafts for my embellishments

unkempt lantern
runic basin
#

today they will fix assa prayge

strange barn
#

Hey guys, I have a noob question.

In an AOE situation, 5+ Mobs, is my main combo point spender CT or Env?

oak tangle
#

CT is an apply and refresh not a spammer

main bridge
#

good to read all your abilities and talents

oak tangle
#

so you apply CT and then envenom into the caustic spatter target

oak tangle
#

i still hate it

quaint ivy
#

CT is like rupture you refresh before expires

zealous moth
#

H antenna beating M sacbrood's ass

#

based trinket

strange barn
#

ah okay, thank you

weary stump
dense cedar
#

coins from vault TheSaddest

latent kernel
#

so the BIS list on the guide is entirely dependent on if you every single piece of gear at myth level correct? so we should be simming until then

main bridge
red schooner
#

You should always be simming potential upgrades

gray raven
#

heroic prism and antenna is beating every mythic m+ trinket in sims for me

latent kernel
#

so realistcailly if a piece is the best upgrade out of vault but would go where a crafted piece would i should just take it and craft something else?

jade abyss
#

when is to much crit for fatebound ?

oak tangle
#

when sims say so

jade abyss
#

!macro

prisma monolithBOT
#

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

weary stump
ornate pond
#

Sims are telling me that doing a straight upgrade of my tier legs from champion to mythic is a major DPS loss which is baffling to me

main bridge
#

show sim

scarlet orbit
#

would bet its something with 1 is a tset piece and the other isnt

haughty lynx
#

Is there a macro to be able to retarget your DS Marked target?

ornate pond
ornate gate
#

I used mouse over garrote and rupture so I’m always on the main dsm target idk if it’s bad or not butpeeposhrug

halcyon umbra
#

what should i craft guys? can i craft a 2nd weapon? all my gear is hero track except my void scarred signet/shoulders

fallow canopy
#

OH is the least valuable piece to craft

jade abyss
#

is there a command that explains maybe how to use second vanish on fatebound ?

fallow canopy
#

!dj

prisma monolithBOT
#

antennaglorp Vanishing On Fatebound antennaglorp

  • you vanish for double jeopardy, a Fatebound talent
  • this causes your next flip to flip an additional coin, and this coin can be an edge-case coin
  • because of this, you want to vanish when you know the next flip is an edge-case flip
  • edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
  • you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst
vale fox
#

this vault is so shit its insane

coral ibex
#

craft whatever is your largest dps increase

vale fox
#

any suggestions?

#

currently simming but i think ill take the socket

halcyon umbra
jade abyss
#

you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst it means i vanish the third deathmark right ?

fallow canopy
jade abyss
#

first and third

#

thanks

#

helps me alot

fallow canopy
ripe coyote
#

dear friends what do we craft after dagger/bracers combo ?

balmy condor
oak tangle
ripe coyote
#

yeah so ring/neck/waist seems like

oak tangle
#

Waist, not yet, disc probs still better

polar notch
#

So with prism do we still pop it with cds on pulls with lust since it would only have one or two stacks or is it better to hold for the second DM?

ripe coyote
#

based on sims its 1% upgrade so

oak tangle
#

But also you aren’t robot so likely you get the stack back anyway

ornate gate
#

guys for this attuned aether buff for the raid, does whetstone not get buffed?

covert elbow
#

wowhead says assassinations bis chest piece is the mythic track tier, but isn't that our Worst piece that would be better a crafted slot?

oak tangle
#

Crafted is minus 3 ilvl

#

Ilvl is king

#

Sim yo self

covert elbow
#

yeah, that's what I thought

oak tangle
#

Bis list works only if you have all of the list at the lists ilvl, don’t try and extrapolate to heroic gear etc

coral ibex
#

pretty sure you'd take a 723 tier chest for the ilvl

covert elbow
#

also, I am in the process of putting the vault into the sim

coral ibex
#

you dont have to input anything, simc addon will detect your vault

#

and put those items in top gear for you

covert elbow
#

oh okay

oak tangle
#

I believe you have to have vault open when you do it

coral ibex
#

no just open it once

#

you can walk away

humble verge
#

imagine if

#

u didnt open vault

mint valve
#

is ascension + writhing armor band okay for m+

oak tangle
#

Oh cool, I’ve always just done it with window open XD

humble verge
#

and /simc would just detect the items you would get

oak tangle
#

Ai + raidbots will soon be able to sim my parse beforehand

main bridge
#

what does it mean to "sim my parse"

oak tangle
#

They’ll tell me based on my mood and weather etc that I’ll get a 92% parse

covert elbow
#

the "mood parse"

#

buy yours now!

bright moth
#

Is singular focus still bugged?

oak tangle
wet spire
ornate gate
#

does anyone know if this week manaforge vandal buff work with whetstones or is it just mana oils

idle radish
#

this is an off spec vault for sure so i mposting here

#

i have heroic prism and i kill spider moth girl eery week

#

socket angle?

main bridge
#

what did your sim say?

latent kernel
#

is crafting a helmet worth?

idle radish
main bridge
#

then feelcraft away what does it even matter

#

seems like you have more feelings about it than any preference for objectivity

idle radish
#

the main Q is taking dagger a waste basically

main bridge
#

weapon is the biggest upgrade you can get on any spec as long as it's not off hand, usually

ornate gate
#

kinetic dunerunners for mog

coral ibex
#

you dont want to sacrifice ilvl on it

#

helm/chest/legs all offer the largest stat allocation

#

you want max ilvl on them

rancid raft
#

vault loves me

coral ibex
#

8300 agi on a 723 helm

#

vs 8071 on 720

slim jetty
#

look a all this american dudes with the early vault#

strange quest
#

are we applying bleed / garrot on every mob ?

radiant quarry
idle radish
#

yeah imma probs just take the dagger cuz i dont wannt take a socket yet its too early

#

even tho itll juist drop from uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh loom

main bridge
#

Yeah but you can benefit from it in all content until you get there

radiant quarry
#

lily is good. neck is bis for sin

radiant quarry
#

everyone wants antena

#

so i wouldnt wait for another good trinket

idle radish
#

im talking about the dagger sir

radiant quarry
#

my point still stands. maybe even more

unborn rain
#

post vaults

radiant quarry
#

if lily sims well, pick it up

unborn rain
#

i got myth crit mastery chest

main bridge
idle radish
idle radish
radiant quarry
idle radish
radiant quarry
#

if you are saying "i dont want to take the dagger because if it drops, ill get it. no other rogues in raid team" and you have prism so you want antena which everyone else wants, you should take another good trinket to hold you off, likely longer than a dagger

royal lantern
idle radish
#

cyklone cooked, welcome to assa chat

idle radish
astral current
#

anyone knows if raidbots already does consider new 50% buff in raid

coral ibex
#

its bugged anyway

#

hard to tell if its even worth caring about rn

young reef
#

it so fucking beautiful

#

😭

weary stump
#

Consume the sac

young reef
#

pleasse drop netherprism tonight so i can get sacborod

#

plssss

#

if not i got my prism 😃

weary stump
#

Please take the cursed stone idol and record yourself deleting it, then send it to a dh m+ player

young reef
#

lmao

#

i boosted a dh last week and didnt get a single piece of tier in my vault gg

#

i did get myth pacemaker which probably should be good?

lucid silo
#

damn verse mastery is simming super high in d slice for me

quiet oriole
#

Im being forced to swap to sub for mythic loom prog because are other dps need there hands held....garf_sit

zealous moth
#

lol

unreal tide
#

Go sub, dont target swap collect loot

astral current
cyan surge
#

Is Attuned to the Aether affecting poisons?

spice surge
sharp estuary
#

!log

prisma monolithBOT
#

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

runic basin
#

16 ara...

coral ibex
#

druid speaking

#

convoke deez nuts

rotund oak
west crown
hexed harbor
#

myth lily and hero antenna

balmy condor
#

it doesn't change anything except number go up, and implementing it would require that they turn it on or off depending on your sim type, which doesn't quite make sense to do

gaunt sigil
#

Sims tell me double on use, should I ignore

#

Wants me to use Prism and Lily

balmy condor
#

I mean

#

sims are optimized for double on use

#

but that sounds really cooked

#

do you just not have a good second trinket

balmy condor
#

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeouch

gaunt sigil
#

Yeah my rogue gear is scuffed af

haughty flicker
coral ibex
#

get in the floodgate mines

#

go get a pacemaker

balmy condor
#

you've gotta be kidding me

waxen oyster
#

do you have myth of those slots

runic basin
#

this is ass

coral ibex
#

isn't that chest pretty good

#

704...

#

oh no...

spice surge
pliant remnant
coral ibex
pliant remnant
balmy condor
coral ibex
#

how did you flip him

#

wtf

pliant remnant
#

I picked that chest from vault last week

#

On reset I can finally catalyze it and use it

balmy condor
#

frankly I might unironically take the belt (it also has avoidance) and just cope that I will be saving crazy crests in like 4 weeks

coral ibex
#

holy moly

#

pass me that cope when ur done

waxen oyster
#

wait you only have hero chest?

#

ig thats biggest upgrade then

balmy condor
#

yeh

waxen oyster
#

wait leech

balmy condor
#

LEECH HOLY

waxen oyster
#

i had the same belt in my vault

balmy condor
#

now we simply HAVE TO

waxen oyster
#

also had db belt

#

and priory ring

coral ibex
#

surely you got some other chest drop at 710 right

waxen oyster
#

ig i had soulbinder neck

coral ibex
#

thats why you have 6/6 hero

waxen oyster
#

ended up taking priory ring

balmy condor
#

I did what I must for araz dps check my child

coral ibex
balmy condor
#

it was not pretty

#

but I did what I had to....

coral ibex
#

this is my excuse

limber oyster
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
haughty flicker
#

yeah uh

balmy condor
#

we were rank 6 speed on our prog kill

haughty flicker
#

my guild is not doing that for another 10 weeks

hexed harbor
#

wow so with myth tier gloves, thats a 1.4 millions dps increase

haughty flicker
#

i pray to even be able to kill it at all this week

hexed harbor
#

im surprised sims didnt want myth lily

balmy condor
#

how much?

haughty flicker
#

i mean if the tier is making 4p its being hyper inflated

#

so not a fair representation of myth gloves vs lily

#

lol

hexed harbor
#

1.4 lmao

clever sparrow
#

assassination good in melee comps?

haughty flicker
#

yeah its just 4p baiting you

#

run the sim again with some random lfr tier gloves and suddenly that number disappears

drifting cloud
#

do you have cloth gloves equipped or something

hexed harbor
#

nope theyre tier gloves. but champion quality

drifting cloud
#

you fucked the sim somewhere if its not obvious enough

hexed harbor
#

PogO idk

#

someone else do it for me im too dumb

drifting cloud
#

link it

hexed harbor
#

the simc thing or the raidbots with simc stuff in it?

drifting cloud
#

the raidbots link of the screenshot you took

hexed harbor
#

ok gimme a sec i have to run it again lol

haughty flicker
#

its saved

#

click the burger menu at top right

hexed harbor
balmy condor
#

not logged in

#

fish the link out of your browser history

haughty flicker
hexed harbor
#

its for single target

#

patchwerk

haughty flicker
#

its talents

#

the majority of that difference is fatebound st vs deathstalker m+

#

not the gloves

balmy condor
#

yeh

haughty flicker
balmy condor
#

your equipped is an m+ build

haughty flicker
#

also that helmet looks silly on a tauren

balmy condor
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this is the actual comparison kinda

hexed harbor
haughty flicker
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sorry i'd rather jump off the empire state building with a firecracker shoved up my ass than make a mog for a tauren

hexed harbor
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theres a reason why hes called bigstealthy

lapis fossil
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any reason not to take a Myth track belt if it is simming higher ~1% than a myth track Pacemaker?

main bridge
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i think there's a belt drop in early mythic and you can't get myth track pacemaker anywhere but vault

lapis fossil
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good point

jagged niche
lapis fossil
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thanks for the sanity check