#assassination

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worthy rose
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found it guys

unborn rain
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2945 smiles

worthy rose
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2988 to be precise

unborn rain
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these last io have been so painful lol

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nice

analog owl
worthy rose
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pugging 12-13 is elo hell

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truly

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dk is just faceroll

unborn rain
analog owl
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i only have rogue rn

worthy rose
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i had survivability issues as rogue last season when i got to around 3300 rating

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i had to reroll a dk to go even higher in keys

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assassination rogue in s2 lived or died on your feint usage

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i kept getting gcd locked sometimes out of using it or no energy and dying

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i ragequit roguing

analog owl
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lol

worthy rose
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dk just dumb

unborn rain
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bring back free feint talent

worthy rose
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i truly dont understand how people can fail at playing dk

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its faceroll as hell

unborn rain
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if dks get fucking ams we should get free feint

worthy rose
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dk's dont even need ams

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alot of the time

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as a plate wearer you can just tank a hit

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then immediately death strike it back

unborn rain
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saf

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sad

worthy rose
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ive been limit testing and dk's can generally survive just about anything

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unfortunately as a frost dk

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you run into the ret pally problem where if you have a shit tank

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you immediately rip aggro and become certified offtank

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unlike rogue where the damage is ramp for the first little bit so the tank has time to generate his aggro

analog owl
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sounds fun

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me try

granite sentinel
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double vanish pog dont trust logs sin

worthy rose
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bro done did a 100% parse

balmy condor
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isn't it like 60% double vanish

granite sentinel
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last time i saw it was like 80% logs 2x lethality over double van, personally i think 2/2 subterfuge is a must on this fight

balmy condor
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double lethality is really silly

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no clue why people would do that

solar wyvern
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My garrote dam

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It FEELS better

worthy rose
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you probably need double vanish

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becuase racist tanks are gonna be racist

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you need your stealth openers on pulls

balmy condor
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yes

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all those chain pulls

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on mythic soul hunter

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so true bestie

granite sentinel
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something dies in me when they grip the boss during my burst window, when u press ct but somehow it hits 2 targets of 3

worthy rose
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assassination damage profile in a nutshell

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assasination without the vanishes

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wait i forgot a second peak coz theres one vanish still

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yallget the picture

haughty flicker
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Advocating for both murlok.io and restealths in the same day

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I'm amazed you're still alive

worthy rose
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its getting outta hand

hexed harbor
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for the people who were watching whispyr last night what game was he playing before he had to hop on WoW to help with rotations?

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nvm i remembered

cyan lily
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i switched to rogue after some tittles on mage, and iits crazy how the bliz just forgive rogue

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no fixxes

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😂

visual sun
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what even is a fix, they did something to "fix" 4pc cd shennanigans but we all know its all a lie

haughty flicker
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Ono

balmy condor
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Another lamb driven towards the unending cosmic slaughter

livid dagger
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Happy vault day eve everyone

analog owl
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my first vault opening

hollow elk
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@balmy condor should i macro my netherprism?

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or is it better to actually just use it every 3min

balmy condor
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both can be true

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people been macroing to vanish cause 3 min is better

hollow elk
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i just see people use it every 1.5m

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in the top logs

balmy condor
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depending on what's happening in the fight, sure, might be better

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but generally should be every 3 min

hollow elk
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but what is the difference exactly, since it keeps stacking while the buff is on

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like is there actually a difference

balmy condor
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you get 18 stacks for a vanish-dm

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rather than a regular dm

hollow elk
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ah

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but for sub it shouldnt make a difference then i guess

balmy condor
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no clue

slender trail
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lol

balmy condor
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but fatebound has an extra cd on 3mins

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so you prism with 3min

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deathstalker you can just macro to dm

hollow elk
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yea that makes sense

balmy condor
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cause it's every 2 min

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so unless sub has something similar to that, probably safe to macro

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but I would check with the sub players

hollow elk
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yea sim rotation is throwing me off on that

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ty broski

wind totem
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How do you play with netherprism in m+ as deathstalker? Do you just pump it with 2 min cds and never wait for max stacks?

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Also does it decay outside of combat?

amber brook
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!Wa

prisma monolithBOT
spice surge
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It doesnt stack up though

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But yes, you just use it with your deathmark

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If you happen to delay your deathmark for a specific pull (or the mobs youre currently facing have like 20% left or something) then youll get some extra juice

wind totem
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So basically makes holding cds less punishing

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sometimes

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Do I just macro it to deathmark and forget about it?

buoyant herald
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I can’t imagine many situations you wouldn’t be using it with DM

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Maybe some weird niche scenario where you want to DM a boss during execute but save prism for a huge aoe pull right after boss

wind totem
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Sounds like I should just macro it and forget about it considering I dont plan on doing any high keys

spice surge
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yes

buoyant herald
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That’s a sure yes then

wind totem
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Is it as good as a dungeon slice sim says or is it a little bit of bait? Basically should I try to get the Araz trinket instead?

manic sedge
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anyone has a WA to see who u shold put the deathmark on while doing soul hunters??

digital venture
coral ibex
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soul hunters down boys

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the real march to HOF begins

spring creek
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hey how is tricks of the trade useful in pve? i get that its good for pvp but why should i ever use it in a raid setting?

spice surge
fallow canopy
spice surge
fallow canopy
spice surge
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Dimensius got hands too

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Not only in the sense that he is hard, but also that his hands literally cover my entire screen so i cant see anything

fallow canopy
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literally forearm gaming

spice surge
fallow canopy
spice surge
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The powder we used on razsageth to make her translucent was clearly too OP, cant have that

fallow canopy
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sometimes the epic vs clarity factor gets too strong on the designer's side and by sometimes I mean most of the times garf

spice surge
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My favourite is the circles youre supposed to stand in to pull down your friends get covered by the "safe zone" circle

vocal cradle
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anyone got a wa for netherprisim stacks?

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i think i found one nvm

main bridge
haughty flicker
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prism

fallow canopy
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prism

balmy condor
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prism

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why are we tracking prism stacks

vocal cradle
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im just curious

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so i want to see what i got when its time

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to send it

uneven plume
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you get about 9

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9-12

balmy condor
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not all that random

vocal cradle
unborn rain
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2 mythic bosses in one night

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still not aotc tho

main bridge
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why not

balmy condor
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myth loomi easier than hero dimmy

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I believe it

main bridge
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i'm not sure about that one

spice surge
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Prob not loomy, but soulbinder for sure

waxen oyster
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i dont even remember what changed about m soulbinder

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you need to send balls into the cages?

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to break them with the lines

sullen topaz
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Yes

balmy condor
nova kelp
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myth loomi kinda hard on the healers

balmy condor
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yeah but dimmy is hard on the intellect

balmy condor
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the question is like do you believe in your healers to push buttons really hard

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or do you believe in the general game sense of your raid

nova kelp
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no, but i believe between me and 2 other peeps in our raid, that we can crush the dim sum platforms

ivory kernel
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What is the length of a GCD with 0 and with max haste, Is it 1.00 -.75 still

fresh kelp
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As an energy spec it’s always 1

nova kelp
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ours doesn't change

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baseline 1

ivory kernel
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ty

nova kelp
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wait, wdym " is it x-x still"?

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what class goes under 1?

balmy condor
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outlaw player I assume

unborn rain
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lol

balmy condor
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0.8 - 1

ivory kernel
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the gcd was changed years ago and i could not remember the numbers

balmy condor
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with AR and haste or whatever

ivory kernel
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older player

nova kelp
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yeah outlaw is aids though

ivory kernel
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shut down the channel

nova kelp
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well... I mean I like outlaw

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but I'm too old for that shit now

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I have a time limit when I play it

balmy condor
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I don't remember when they changed the gcd tbh

nova kelp
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like Okarun, I can only go all out twice

ivory kernel
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Pre bfa or around then

balmy condor
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they added most major cds to the gcd in bfa

nova kelp
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is there a reason that hero isn't ogcd?

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like, personally idgaf when someone presses it 90% of the time as a rogue but like

ivory kernel
nova kelp
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there's always that annoying conversation "who's pressing hero? I gota do ....x"

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like bro, just press it?

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peeps will borderline get into an arguement over who loses the single gcd to press hero, and then bitch and moan when I ask about NOT losing 8 seconds of downtime

golden loom
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Lust isnt even on gcd?

nova kelp
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if it's not I'm even more mad

golden loom
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Stay mad garf

red sonnet
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Stay mad

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oh my singlarity

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T_T

unborn rain
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im gonna get 3/8 m before aotc

nova kelp
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get mad

vale fox
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is there any way where you can set a button hotkey to set your current target as focus target?

main bridge
vale fox
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lemme try that

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works like a charm

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and 1 more thing regarding macros. is there any macro that selects the focus target when available but if there is no focus target it selects current target?

oak tangle
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Yeah, /target [@focus,exists][]

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I don’t know for sure if that will work, but it’s something along those lines

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Might need a nodead in the first set of square brackets too

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Otherwise could target a dead corpse

cyan lily
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!sheet

prisma monolithBOT
red sonnet
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S3 1st week M+10 BIG MOMMA assassinate i could reach avr 18~20M dps

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but now why M+14/15 is decreased to 12~14?

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just a singlarity focus bug?

oak tangle
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Impossible to answer but I’m gonna go with no to the second question

sharp hemlock
vale fox
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so im using this macro to set focus on mouseover and clear focus:

/clearfocus
/focus [nomod,exists,nodead]mouseover

is there any way i can add a line here to make it so that if i dont mouseover anything it just sets my current target as focus?

red sonnet
stable sinew
sharp hemlock
stable sinew
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can take last line out if you dont want to put a marker on it

red sonnet
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i thought it should be the bug occurs since week2

vale fox
stable sinew
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what do you need to clear focus for

red sonnet
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did anyone report the singlarity focus bug to blizz forum?

vale fox
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basically need a button to set focus so i can dump cds in m+ into a focus target and then clear it so i can keep spreading dots without always hitting the focus target

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or maybe i can write the macros differently so that they hit mouseover first then focus target if mouseover not available

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can i pm you so we dont spam the sin chat?

stable sinew
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Im confused

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are you simply setting a focus so you dont lose your dsm?

sharp hemlock
red sonnet
sharp hemlock
oak tangle
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FFS people the bugs aren’t that impactful, it’s not fucking 33% of our dps

oak tangle
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If you didn’t know the bugs existed you wouldn’t know we had bugs

red sonnet
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so i thought it should be the tier suit causes the bug

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otherwise it can't be week3 damage far lower than week1

oak tangle
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You’re comparing apples to oranges my guy, a 14/15 vs a 10, you probably don’t have the same comp or kill time

red sonnet
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does 2 tier suit works properly on other heroic talents?

red sonnet
oak tangle
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Not true at all

oak tangle
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If you’re ranged stand is shit places, if people don’t interrupt them, they won’t be stacked under boss and you’ll do far less dos

red sonnet
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week1 M+10 with week3 M+13/14, with ilvl++, it should keep in a decent range

rotund oak
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right now 13-14 are barely relevant range keys anyway

oak tangle
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Fight takes longer to get into execute, potentially your dots are dropping off the adds before they get low hp

rotund oak
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10s dont even register

rotund oak
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the padtech

oak tangle
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I get that, but in a 10 they’ll die in one set, on a 14-15 if you have to recast you may not have a vanishing for the second set etc

rotund oak
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yup true

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depends always

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need to evaluate the situation

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thats why rogue isnt as easy as other classes

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adaptation is key

oak tangle
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Ilvl is not always the answer you have to show equal fight timers and comps to even begin comparing

red sonnet
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considering the singlarity focus provide nearly 1/3 part of full damage, i thought it should be 15M or higher

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not 12M

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that seems to be acceptable

oak tangle
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Wot

red sonnet
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hush, im braindead now

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let me rest in peace 😄

rotund oak
red sonnet
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does anyone knows former tier suit cause this bug or not?

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in current patch

rotund oak
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prolly whispyr can answer but highly doubt it matters or not

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basicly irrelevant

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im also confused

red sonnet
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me too

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ah, shit, here we go again

rotund oak
# oak tangle Wot

trying to find the perfect timing to bait stealthi again into a sin vs sub debate this tier but i get no solid data over it,whats best

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racoon lord is lucky

oak tangle
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lol

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@red sonnet if you post a damage breakdown it’s pretty easy to work out a estimate for what you lose dpswise rather than overthinking how important the bug is

red sonnet
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let me try

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but i should go custom care for sold previous suit(

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find them back

oak tangle
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I’m just gonna assume caustic is about 30% of dps, and if your total is 15m, then we are asking what 5% of 4.5mil is which is 225k

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You can go and wear old set for 225k if you want, but it’s really stupid

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Also that’s even assuming old set doesn’t bug which not even known, so I just want to clarify that before someone takes my comment out of context

red sonnet
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then for M+, i've already given up🥲

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this is not a good patch for assassinate

oak tangle
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It’s been a pretty okay patch for me so far

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We’re good in keys, we have fate bound to play in st raid

red sonnet
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in cn-retail, rogues application approval rate is under 2%

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i tested for about 3 day

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50~70 register = 1 approval

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even in M+10~12

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as i have all M+14 cleared

sharp hemlock
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Lack of tool kit. No BL no BR no HS nothing

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As DPS if your class brings BL easy invite

red sonnet
sharp hemlock
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Rouge DPS is good in M+ for all 3 specs

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And in this season classes and speccs are good balanced. So can almost invite all speccs

static glacier
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Good but is it good •enough•

sharp hemlock
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Yes until +15 100% sure

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As sin you play bleed build in M+ on Boss fights you will lose against classes like Frost DK, WL Arcane Mage or Sub rouge.
So depends who is in your grp and what Logs say

red sonnet
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in dawnbreaker, assassinate is embarassing

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lowest single target damage, and singlarity bug causes the triple elite slay speed is far lower than S1&S2

sharp hemlock
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Yes others too because of Boss fights.

red schooner
stable sinew
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this ^

sharp hemlock
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All speccs cleared +17 or higher

red sonnet
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even the discrimination

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how should i carry the team? only higher aoe damage?

stable sinew
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more st comp

red sonnet
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with such a shitty bug, the single target low is LETHAL

oak tangle
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bruh what bug?

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on st

red sonnet
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singlary focus bug

stable sinew
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thats not how that works lol

oak tangle
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dude you dont get caustic on st

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so bug has zero effect

red sonnet
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singlary focus bug -> lower aoe frame damage -> more creep time -> single target low hurts

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it that okay?

oak tangle
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i mean, it's 225k dps

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assuming you do 15mil

red sonnet
oak tangle
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??

stable sinew
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dawn is just assas like w2orst dungeon

oak tangle
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do you understand what the bug is with singular focus?

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cause all your bleeds still work with it

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just not caustic

red schooner
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Like, its not that bad

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Dawn isn't our best dungeon but let's not be overly dramatic here

sinful ice
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
indigo lagoon
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Is there any one have update on that Caustic spatter do not work on the singular focus?

vale fox
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So fellas in bleed build M+ on opener, am i supposed to try and garrote rupture every mob? Or is there a number where i’m better off just spamming envenoms on main target and let caustic splatter do the rest?

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So i know the opener. Which ends up putting rupture garrote on circa 6 targets and CT on all of them, then we go into deathmark and at this point should i start spamming envenoms or go back and try to dot more?

indigo lagoon
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shiv work on 8 target and the 4 set work on shiv, so at least 8 target to maximum your 4 set damege.

vale fox
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Ok but there’s no point in trying to dot everything in like a huge pull say 1st floodgate pull for example

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So hit like 8-9 targets with full bleeds and hit the rest with just CT and then caustic splatter?

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Is that the right way to think about it?

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Ok thanks. Cuz i was trying to full bleed as many mobs as possible and it felt like i would never get to the envenom spam part because there were so many targets

indigo lagoon
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your right, if can't make sure that fast make 8 target have rupture dot 7 is good enough.

waxen oyster
waxen oyster
stable sinew
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well i mean yeah theyre both pretty shit

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for assa

indigo lagoon
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dawn's boss fight type hit sub's sweet point..

night vessel
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I don't know about you guys, and this is the first time I've been affected by something like this, but I went all in on assassination this season in a new guild and I feel like all the effort has been for nothing. I have to play sub on most bosses in progress even though I am alot worse at that spec, and the fact that Blizzard isn't doing anything about the bugs that assassination currently has is really bothering me.
Of course, fixing the bugs won't change the fact that sub is simply better in certain fights, but how can it be that such bugs exist for so long without anything being done about them?

night vessel
cunning needle
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boooooooo mage

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well you see

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mage is a class that blizzard loves

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and respects

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so they put a lot of time and effort into it

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making sure the class experience is nice and smooth

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rogue on the other hand is the class thats least played next to evokers (might be less)

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so the amount of fucks that they give is approximately 0

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fortunatly though, assi is probably the most loved (at least of recently) in the rogue spec list

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so bugs will be fixed soon ™

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to be fair though, this is probably the worst assi has been in a while

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in regards to bugs

balmy condor
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What’s wrong with assa on prog

red schooner
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He's here, fucking run boys

night vessel
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yes. like, we killed m fractilus yesterday and had like 20 pulls. and of all times, I completely desync during the kill try

night vessel
balmy condor
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Was your guild struggling with manifestation damage on forge

red schooner
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I just played sin on forge, I didn't do great but I had good boss damage

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So

balmy condor
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Bruh

red schooner
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Its fine

night vessel
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atleast the manifestions just before the intermission

hexed frost
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Are any of the assa bugs affecting M+? I did all 13s with sub and maybe it's time to return back to assa

balmy condor
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Your guilds struggling with manifestation damage and you can’t play assa? Tell your guild to get good

red schooner
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I forget the numbers

balmy condor
quiet oar
balmy condor
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Also true

cunning needle
night vessel
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but still. atleasat i do not have to deal with the desync. same shit on soulbinder in our reclears

red schooner
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We got araz down last night. It was an experience uglyassdog

hexed frost
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Well prio is the reason I stick to sub at this moment. Helps melt down the big beetles in ara kara kekdog

red schooner
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2 hours of waiting for the pull where somebody doesn't spawn an add in fucking narnia

night vessel
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the moment we got through the 2nd intermission, boss was dead

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had to send cds on the pillar tho

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bc it wouldnt have died otherwise

red schooner
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Our issues were 90% people being unable to move to the add spawn point

stable sinew
red schooner
stable sinew
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why do mech when can do dam!

cunning needle
red schooner
cunning needle
red schooner
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I want the break man

cunning needle
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bench is so fucking comfy

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i love the bench

quiet oar
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Soul Hunters

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Is such a shit fight

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Ongod

red schooner
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Raid leader went 'we got too many idiots so probably not' uglyassdog

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RELEASE ME

quiet oar
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I mean you could just skip it

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and go to NExus King

red schooner
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TRUE

cunning needle
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yeah

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and wipe to p1 for a night

red schooner
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Optional boss

quiet oar
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P1 is so fucking brutal

red schooner
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I'm waiting for our guild to employ the usual strategy

cunning needle
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dont forget to buy your inky black potions

quiet oar
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For what?

red schooner
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Only get to bosses when theyve been nerfed to oblivion

cunning needle
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makes it easier to see spirit

rotund oak
quiet oar
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I had no Problems seeing them

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tbh

rotund oak
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if anything rogues do the exact opposite

quiet oar
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But im also raidcalling

rotund oak
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i wanna be akio raidcalled

quiet oar
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so i look at the timer and know to be aware

rotund oak
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maybe

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some day

night vessel
quiet oar
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That will probably never happen

rotund oak
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never say never

runic hinge
rotund oak
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some times rogues even being exceptional dont get a spot or just perform bad

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it happens even on experienced rogues

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so dont take it personally

quiet oar
night vessel
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we mostly play guild keys and i had no problem in raid so far. i switched from outlaw to assa this season and i regret that

rotund oak
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most pirates in this channel regret that

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not a first one

rotund oak
quiet oar
hearty seal
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like, aside from missing out on loot

quiet oar
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Yes thats what i said

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You can skip Soul Hunters

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but why would you

hearty seal
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ye morning blindness

quiet oar
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If cant kill Soul Hunters, you sure as hell aint killing Nexus-King at this point

hearty seal
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but yea

rotund oak
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lul

hearty seal
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also reshii boots

quiet oar
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i mena Reshii Boots are unlocked for Vualt via Fractillus

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Just get them from that like me

hearty seal
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riiiight

hearty seal
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vault giving people what they want

runic hinge
hearty seal
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I've heard of that

rotund oak
quiet oar
proper tangle
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Does anyone have a poison weak aura that shows me when my poision has below 10 min duration? I'm tired of applying 4 poisons mid raid-fight because i dont notice 🥲

open jolt
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So if I don't have any gilded atm. Can an item be recrafted with gilded? Or should I just wait

pulsar elk
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so to change this last slot from M 7 to mythic 10, i need to run 3 more mythic 10 dungeons?

pulsar elk
balmy condor
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so like if it's 720 ilvl, you can recraft to anything you'd like at 720

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if it's 703 you would obviously need to use crests to go up to 720

open jolt
balmy condor
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yeah no

open jolt
balmy condor
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raising the ilvl requires you give it the enchanted crest

open jolt
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To raise the ilvl with the crests after

balmy condor
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you have to use the item from the vendor

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which costs crests

open jolt
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Yeah yeah ik

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I was asking if it was a thing

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To raise it after

balmy condor
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I mean yeh, it is

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no spark required

open jolt
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I have never tried tbh so I didn't know

balmy condor
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but you'd still need to give it the enchanted crest

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that's why usually for wrists you use the free hero enchanted crest you get from AOTC

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and then just sit on that

open jolt
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Hm I see

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This crafting system itself is still foreign to me tbh. I don't have much experience with it

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Thankfully im assuming alch stone is still an alch craft so I can do that myself instead of making an order

bitter trout
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I haven't played assa since s1, it's basically played the same when it comes to CDs right

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Doesn't look like shiv timings have changed with tier set

red schooner
#

Same timings as last season, I don't think we were dry shivving in season 1 so that'd be the main change

bitter trout
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Ohh that's a thing now?

red schooner
#

Yeah, shiv with lingering darkness and darkest night

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For the GIGA envenom

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And only 1 x shiv for the solo kingsbane

jolly stirrup
#

Do I just craft a second dagger if I don't have a myth track one? I already have wrists

bitter trout
red schooner
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Offhand is a bad slot

red schooner
bitter trout
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and am I correct in saying during non DM KB we use our only shiv at the end of KB

jolly stirrup
bitter trout
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As in basically whenever it has 50 stacks

bitter trout
#

WOW LOOK AT M

jolly stirrup
#

Should i craft hands and use catalyst for chest?

bitter trout
#

E

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MUM I AM IT

cunning needle
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or something like that

red schooner
#

Well, shiv the last 8 seconds of KB

cunning needle
#

it's only needed to press abilities

red schooner
#

But ye

cunning needle
#

!oh

prisma monolithBOT
#

biS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. On top of this, all stats being good on Assassination means there are currently over 500 "BiS" combinations that are within margin of error. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS from world content is especially not helpful, and we do not maintain any lists of these types. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character.

cunning needle
#

???????????

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i said !oh not !bis

bitter trout
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got it tyvm

ancient verge
#

!macro

prisma monolithBOT
#

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

red schooner
bitter trout
#

Is it macroed?

red schooner
#

Yeah just macro it and forget

bitter trout
#

What is it macroed to sorry

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shiv?

red schooner
prisma monolithBOT
#

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

jolly stirrup
#

I had this Parse yesterday on a P3 19% Dimensius HC wipe. Man if all our DDs would have survived, and we killed him faster, this could have been even higher PeepoCryFloor

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I was so proud of myself garf_sit

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For someone that plays WoW for like 2 months i think thats decentkekdog

bitter trout
#

As I was going to ask what do you do for stat swapping or do you lean more towards sub sims for stats since assa doesn't really mind about 2ndary stats

red schooner
feral wasp
#

We try lomithar with 3 heals

jolly stirrup
feral wasp
#

Our guild almost disbanded last night because we asked for 4 heals

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No mythic

jolly stirrup
#

Ah

feral wasp
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The main healer guy, practically an officer said as a raider our opinions have no meaning

quiet oar
#

But i think its fine to craft stuff for Sub

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It hurts Sub more to craft for Sin, than the other way around

jade abyss
#

When i play bleed i press this in st right?

Keep bleeds up
Press envenom when all bleeds are up
Press shiv when rdy (hold one for dry shiv)
Have 2 shivs rdy when i go into deathmark

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Or is there something i miss?

velvet cairn
#

eh you can also be above 150 energy for sanguin but idk if u do it still

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but basically yeah

spice surge
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Dont bother with the sanguin e

novel star
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just spam envenom

spice surge
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Its not 1%, its like 0.3% but

novel star
spice surge
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Either way theres too many conditions for it to be applicable

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So people fuck it up

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Not worth bothering with

balmy condor
#

it's non-existent and incredibly difficult

novel star
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that makes it even more fake

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yea

red schooner
#

I just hit buttons it's fine

balmy condor
#

like

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INCREDIBLY difficult

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to do it properly you would need to balance yourself barely under 50% near constantly and then just fully stop and afk whenever you get like 4 conditions to line up

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it is

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actually so hellish

oak tangle
#

what should i uber eats for dinner

balmy condor
#

me

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wait

velvet cairn
#

also eleem are u in UF?

oak tangle
#

i got this place near me that does really nice charcoal chicken

spice surge
#

yes

velvet cairn
#

just saw u on meters and thought wtf are there 2?

oak tangle
#

what is the difference on mythic soulbinder? more adds?

spice surge
#

You have to hit the pillars with the orbs as well as the line

velvet cairn
spice surge
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But its pretty much the same as heroic

velvet cairn
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and more hurt type shi

oak tangle
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Damn, I can never get damage in in heroic so saw ur 9mil and wondered how

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I guess adds will live more of your burst

velvet cairn
#

cba logs on add fights

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but mythic is significally more hp atleast in my groups so more dam

oak tangle
#

Do you delay on pull cds to catch the first pack of adds?

jade abyss
#

So then is nothing wrong basicly in the things i do? I ask bcs i think im "suck" i know assa st is bad in m+ but sometimes i fighting with the tank especialy when i use my cds to kill a pack before boss and i have nothing rdy

oak tangle
#

Also random question, if I were to make a character on a us realm (not oce) would it default me to us realm or from where I connect

jade abyss
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And i dont wanna hold cds for too long

red sonnet
balmy condor
oak tangle
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don't be baited whispyr, i've already had a lengthy discussion about how singular focus isn't 33% of dps

balmy condor
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it's beating sub on 90% frac, soulbinder, loom, plexus

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it's barely behind on forgeweaver, still being a top 6 spec (playing fatebound, so literally 0 funnel)

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what low single target are you fucking seeing

red sonnet
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i mean in M+ meta

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assassinate single target is too low

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~= tank spec

balmy condor
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that's also factually untrue

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it's bad but it's not tank dps

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that's just skill issue

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but again, none of that was the conversation you pinged me about

red sonnet
#

fury frostDK nearly 4M ps, tank is about avr 1.9M~2M ps, assassinate simulated ~270 with ilvl 712 with raidH2+H4/6 items

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isn't too low?

golden loom
#

dead spec

oak tangle
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you know the only reason we do that low single target is to do more to add packs?

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and it balances out

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m+ isn't just bosses,

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also take adds onto a boss and suddenly there is no issue at all

red sonnet
ornate raptor
#

Someone pass the popcorn 🙊

red schooner
#

Whispyr is typing

#

Here we go boys

red sonnet
#

the time you saved on add packs, can never afford the squad clean the creeps&wiating for stealth, nor the pure single target time extend

desert crest
#

tbf there are specs that kinda do both

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But assa is still kinda the king of trash

oak tangle
#

fr, i sometimes do more on pulls where i have no cd's than when i do

fickle siren
#

whats the consensus on mythic loomithar adds? I've been called out for not doing enough dmg on them. I do swap out whenever I can, but I cant really do much dmg. I did around 80m on our best pull

cunning needle
red sonnet
#

assi rogue the trash king

cunning needle
#

👑
sin

red schooner
frigid lagoon
red schooner
#

But the tangles not dying isn't really our thing

winged quail
#

What if Assassination just did everything well all the time? That would be much better I think garf

red schooner
#

But raid leaders are dumb

oak tangle
#

The Aussie classic btw

frigid lagoon
#

raid leaders on guilds progging loom rn i might kms

cunning needle
balmy condor
# red sonnet fury frostDK nearly 4M ps, tank is about avr 1.9M~2M ps, assassinate simulated ~...

idk what half of those words mean or what simulated ~270 is or what H2+H4/6 is supposed to be, google translate doesn't understand gibberish sadly. Regardless, here's 3 high level logs from full single target fights

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/njqWzvtGmC4yw9b6?fight=21&type=damage-done&pull=7

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GPj2w7frQX46VHKF?fight=12&type=damage-done&pull=18&translate=true

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Xw2WYhgd8aFZ1mz4?fight=4&type=damage-done&pull=19&translate=true

And if you look at the overalls, you look at big pulls, you look at big momma or any cleave fight like demo duo, the first boss in priory, you can easily see assa keeping up, doing more than other specs, or completely obliterating other classes in the game

Please go educate yourself instead of pinging me 2 hours later from an entirely unrelated conversation just to complain about your delusional world view, I don't have the time or the patience to deal with that shit

cunning needle
red schooner
#

Jesus

#

Better be a good parmo for that money

cunning needle
#

parmo?

oak tangle
#

sadly yeah

cunning needle
#

get the fuck out of here

red schooner
cunning needle
#

that's even worse than parma

red sonnet
oak tangle
#

👀

red schooner
# cunning needle parmo?

Parmo, or Teesside Parmesan, is a dish originating in Middlesbrough, England, and a popular item of take-away food in the Teesside area as well as Northern England. It consists of a breaded cutlet of chicken or pork topped with a white béchamel sauce and cheese, usually cheddar.
The name is a reference to the American dish chicken parmesan, whi...

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Its different apparently

cunning needle
#

??????

oak tangle
#

its the white sauce instead of tomato sauce

red sonnet
#

and, arcane 4.9M, assi 3.38M; frostDK 4.62, assi 3.37M; frostMage 4.35, assi 3.0M. is that good enough?

balmy condor
#

YES

#

IT LITERALLY IS

cunning needle
#

what the fuck is white sauce

balmy condor
#

THEY ARE

#

TIMING

#

THE

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FUCKING

#

KEYS

#

YOU MONKEY

red schooner
cunning needle
#

oh

red sonnet
cunning needle
#

i mean i guess but then its a parmo not a parmy

balmy condor
#

actually fuck off

oak tangle
#

closer to a lasangna than a parmi

balmy condor
#

I don't wanna deal with your dumb ass

#

holy hell

jolly stirrup
red schooner
red sonnet
red schooner
#

A parmo

cunning needle
# balmy condor YOU MONKEY

did you know that the scientific name of the western lowland gorilla (which is a critically endangered species) is gorilla gorilla gorilla

red schooner
cunning needle
oak tangle
#

does the parmo come with a side of mushy peas

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🤮

cunning needle
red schooner
cunning needle
#

get one of these bad boys in ya

red schooner
#

Normally just chips, maybe a salad if its posh

stable sinew
#

If you think assa is so shit why play the spec

oak tangle
#

i was watching a streamer play one of those food comparison games, and the amount of stadium food that had mushy peas on it lol

red schooner
cunning needle
red schooner
hollow void
#

Omg i love that there is a discussion going on and people are yapping about food in between. Actually lmfao 😂

cunning needle
oak tangle
#

standard day in sin channel

red schooner
oak tangle
#

on topic is actually off topic

hollow void
#

Thanks for making me laugh lol

cunning needle
red schooner
#

Food of the kings

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Carbs on carbs on carbs

oak tangle
#

wtf is on top of that pie

stable sinew
#

Guys he’s been typing for a while

cunning needle
#

crust

stable sinew
#

I’m scared

red schooner
#

Pie sandwich

oak tangle
#

dafuq

#

lol

velvet cairn
#

how do we think fb assa does on nexus king sallad or w/e he is called. im stuck on sub but im certainly a better assa player. we kinda weak on adds so kinda have to go sub. but thoughts?

oak tangle
#

oh i see it, i thought the base was a paper bag HAHA

balmy condor
# red sonnet insulting?

Yes, I am insulting you in fact. You pinged me out of nowhere with a conversation for 2 hours ago, a RAID conversation, that you were not a part of, just to complain about single target in mythic+. You are rude to waste my time like this, and then completely ignore the evidence I showed to prove that assa is totally fine in mythic+ and timing high level keys. If you don't want to play assa because of it's low single target, then fucking don't. But don't join the discord, ping me for some unrelated garbage, and waste my fucking time and energy when you could go look up any of this information on your own. You are not the first person to complain about the single target damage, and you will not be the last. I am not god, I can't fix any of your complaints at the snap of a finger. Assassination is really good in Aoe, and pretty bad in single target, that is currently the spec's tuning. Deal with it. If you want to waste my time and annoy me instead, I can assist you in leaving the discord

quiet oar
stable sinew
#

Just bring arcane mage to carry you in pure ST

hollow void
#

I just play arcane and assa

#

Problem solved

cunning needle
#

Gorilla arms are longer than their logs

red schooner
#

Just only do weekly 10s where nothing matters garf

oak tangle
#

what was the tech ages ago? hearth out and swap sub for final boss

red schooner
#

That's my plan

oak tangle
#

i was thinking back to necrotic wake

velvet cairn
stable sinew
#

Fuck that dungeon

quiet oar
red schooner
stable sinew
#

Going from melee to ranged for m+ is so relaxing

cunning needle
#

i wonder if there's ever a tech to triple rogue spec in a key

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like do first pull as assi

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swap to sub

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then outlaw for last boss or something

oak tangle
#

yeah start as outlaw, break a finger / key, and then swap to sin, and need to swap sub for final boss

cunning needle
#

my mate used to do it in HoV.

Fire for first pull up to first boss.
Frost for first boss and all the way up to last boss
Arcane for last boss

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yes this is the peak mage performance

velvet cairn
#

this looks based af

primal jolt
#

hello pumpers

quiet oar
#

What year is it

oak tangle
#

HoV year

cunning needle
#

whenever Hov was in teh rotation

quiet oar
#

Season 1

#

DF

cunning needle
#

so like 3 years ago

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or 2

quiet oar
#

Ragefeather is one trinket

#

thats Nokhud

velvet cairn
cunning needle
#

it was kinda only doable because we rolled with a warlock as well

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so we could summon him

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twice in the key

sturdy sentinel
#

guys on m+ is there any way i dont do 2M dps 😄 on ST ?

cunning needle
runic basin
lusty mountain
balmy condor
#

you also cannot go into a boss fight without deathmark, that would be extremely bad

#

usually if you go into the fight with a deathmark, you get another one in execute

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that's where your big damage is

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you're just playing for the big deathmark window at the start, and the huge deathmark window in zoldyck range at the end

sturdy sentinel
#

about the keep over 150 energy ? is it worth ? or just better to starve

balmy condor
#

no, just starve

sturdy sentinel
#

will do it thanks... wont hit sub numbers but at least not fighting with the tank...

balmy condor
sturdy sentinel
#

ye playing prism w pacemaker

balmy condor
runic basin
hollow dirge
#

no lie, jelly af

oak tangle
#

netherprism, or neverprism

sturdy sentinel
#

first pack of the dungeon we use it on 3 stacks or just hold it ?

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to get 18 for the next

runic basin
#

Hold

oak tangle
#

depends if the next time you wanna use it is 3 mins away or not

hollow dirge
runic basin
#

For sub with double use its perfect but for assa i guess we shouldn’t bind it into DM

sturdy sentinel
#

ye on sub with lily or araz its amazing

#

the burst window on 18 stacks is huge

oak tangle
#

as i understand it, if your dm is 2 mins send it with dm, if your dm is 1.5 mins send it with vanish every second dm

nova kelp
hearty seal
#

also lf tips for Avanoxx specifically
I've been sending Vanish into bug spawns to clear them more efficiently, is that any good?

oak tangle
#

i do that, if i have to swap

balmy condor
# nova kelp holy hell, bring up disc to see this, did someone try to box with god and realis...

we had a convo like 3-4 hours ago about someone feeling bad cause they felt forced to play sub on a lot of fights even though they prepped assassination, and the convo was basically "what's wrong with assassination", etc

This herbie rolls in and pings me in response to me asking what's wrong with assassination on prog, and says "LOW SINGLE TARGET DAMAGE". So I pulled out the receipts from loom, fract, plexus, soulbinder, araz (top 6 boss damage spec even without the funnel from deathstalker), etc, and I'm like ????? what are you on. Turns out they're bitching about mythic+ single target and not anything remotely about raid, so I pull up second boss priory and last boss floodgate, and like yeah it's bad but it's barely behind other stuff, and I tell him hey if you go to an AoE pull or big momma or any multi-target fight like demo duo or momma or first boss priory, assa is slamming, and they're all timing high keys. Bro just will not stop bitching

hearty seal
sturdy sentinel
oak tangle
fierce sigil
#

Do i always hold on vanish for my deathmark window in st fatebound in raid?

nova kelp
balmy condor
#

the pacing is crazy

oak tangle
#

people just want a reason to complain or explain their low dps

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and for some they are unwilling to accept it is their play

knotty forge
#

Idk i feel like single target on raids should be buffed

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Marksmanship destro fury doing better dps while being easier

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Doesnt feel right

strange quest
#

fairly new to rogue but how do i manage energy and not run out of it ?

knotty forge
#

Especially as outlaw or sub

oak tangle
#

idk, i personally think assassin is the easiest spec

#

but im biased

velvet cairn
#

i mean rouge in general is about 25% more work for same damage normally. enjoy this chill assa

runic basin
oak tangle
#

im not gcd capped

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plenty of time to just chill

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i'd have carpal tunnel playing fury

knotty forge
#

U dont alt much i think

oak tangle
#

i do quite a bit tbh

knotty forge
#

So u should know how easy it is to hop on Frost destro or ele

velvet cairn
oak tangle
velvet cairn
#

like in raid. main purpose is to get enveoms out. hold ur bleeds. but if kb is comin up u can chill for 4-8 sec or smth

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also like there is kinda no use to just spam to insta starve. u can chill a bit between envenoms

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specially during downtime between cds

oak tangle
#

just play not to use tea charges

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chain envenoms in envenom

knotty forge
strange quest
#

so its easier to pick assa than the other 2 ?

knotty forge
#

Ye

oak tangle
#

depends on what you find easier

knotty forge
#

Not even close

oak tangle
#

i know people who cannot wrap their heads around pandemic timers

runic basin
#

I mean sub is the same

#

Burst and chill windows

knotty forge
#

Wa fix pandemic

velvet cairn
strange quest
#

mainly been a mage main for 2 -3 xpac so i just wanted to new meele spec to try

oak tangle
velvet cairn
#

also sub can be pretty rough when it comes to new rouges with dance and when how to use. and if u fuck up anything its usually really punishing

#

outlaw kinda badge (sorry)

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m+ is fun with outlaw tho

strange quest
#

yea heared better to pick dh than rogue cause easy to pick up

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but meh

quiet oar
oak tangle
#

alot of people who come in here, don't grasp the concept of energy capped vs gcd capped, and that's why alot struggle to have energy at times it's needed

velvet cairn
#

rouge is niche but try both what u enjoy rizey

red schooner
strange quest
quiet oar
runic basin
oak tangle
#

i traded away my heroic soulhunter boots to a guildie cause he had non and i had normal ones already

#

sadge 🙁

velvet cairn
# strange quest sure thank you ❤️

fun rules here is check pins and wowhead since they are really well explained and talk about current stuff. but most people are happy to help including me.

quiet oar
velvet cairn
#

also amazing guide from whispyr eith encylopedia and shindig too

warm vortex
velvet cairn
#

its not rough when you understand core concepts

warm vortex
#

I’ve gotten them on

Champ I think?

#

P sure mythic boots out sim it, as in basic mythic boots

quiet oar
#

doubt that

oak tangle
#

i wish my mythic belt would outsim the fucking disc

warm vortex
#

I’m still bracing myself for the inevitable M+ level where I need to swap off survival

velvet cairn
warm vortex
#

Still not for a couple anyway

#

Done half of the 15s, only problem is pug queue times are reaching around an hour, and out of the 4 15s I’ve done, 3 of them are the “easy” keys

limber monolith
#

Hi all, I'm trying to create a kick macro that kicks my focus target when I have one or kicks my current target when I don't. Doesn't seem to working though. Please help!
#Showtooltip
/cast [@focus,exists] Kick
/cast Kick

limber monolith
limber monolith
rotund oak
#

f@ck man

warm vortex
#

That’s gay

rotund oak
#

lost whispyr's nuking

oak tangle
#

rekt

warm vortex
#

Wait what happened

rotund oak
#

no problem with gay ppl yo

oak tangle
#

ping him about it, can reenact

warm vortex
#

Exactly

#

I’m from the home of sexual myself

rotund oak
quiet oar
hollow dirge
warm vortex
#

Wait tir you have the boots and those trinks

#

wtf

quiet oar
#

Yes

warm vortex
#

Not even gonna share them?

rotund oak
warm vortex
#

I’d love that forge

oak tangle
#

my vault's bugging tonight, i get to pick 2 items i can feel it

quiet oar
#

I got Froge and Prism the same day

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on both first kills

#

Because the DH in the Loot Council told them its needed for sub !

oak tangle
#

how'd you swindle that

#

non edgelord dh?

quiet oar
#

Well he plays Sub as alt

#

and its really strong especially on Dimensius

warm vortex
#

Prog wise

quiet oar
#

Nexus king

warm vortex
#

Fair

#

I’m still on loony

#

*loomy

#

We could kill it this week but some healers are away

quiet oar
#

I just need Gloves, Legs and Rings

#

thats what left

warm vortex
#

Brother

#

You have fucking s tier gear you don’t need anymore

oak tangle
#

what are your ilvls?

quiet oar
#

714

#

I mean you can have as many Myth tracks as you want

oak tangle
#

i wish that were me

quiet oar
#

if you dont have gilded

warm vortex
#

712

#

But here’s the thing

oak tangle
#

710, haven't even killed H dimensius yet

warm vortex
#

I play a spec that’s worse than yours

#

:<

fierce pivot
#

Man rogues have been scuffed for me since leigon

quiet oar
#

im like 200 Gilded in deficit

fierce pivot
#

Rotations are all sorts of garbage now, my poor mind

quiet oar
#

and thats without next vault

oak tangle
#

i thought i was doing well being runed of the harbinger or whatever it is

rotund oak
oak tangle
#

oh yeah it's not too far away, just waiting for team mates to learn it i tihnk

rotund oak
#

just be a mage,be pretty,make a table,buff then intellect

#

press some barrages,magi on the adds

#

be the good person

oak tangle
#

im raiding in 2 aotc teams, one is one night a week prog

rotund oak
#

i dont even raid anymore

oak tangle
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managed to full clear up to dim, and prog to 30% in p3 in one night

rotund oak
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truth is

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this raidtier

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is hard

oak tangle
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i've enjoyed it, super happy i decided to main sub

rotund oak
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im playing sub pvp

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but ye

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cant say much there,getting oneshot by everything

oak tangle
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saladaar as sub makes anything worth it

rotund oak
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😂

oak tangle
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11th dps going into add phase, into gapping everyone by like 3mil dps by end of fight XD

humble verge
haughty sedge
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Random melee question, is there any plater plug-in or setting that will dim/fade a nameplate if they're outside of melee range? I have a hard time discerning sometimes in bigger packs/trash pulls

humble verge
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pretty sure jundies only shows you the platers youre in combat with

haughty sedge
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Yeah but I can be in combat with something 30y away and it'll show just as prominently on the screen. I imagine there's not a setting but I don't know addon tech anymore

oak tangle
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no issues here XD

rotund oak
oak tangle
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netherprism is some kinda drug

balmy condor
oak tangle
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fb + nether?

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nice

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i haven't completely abandoned sin, i am justa fotm sub

balmy condor
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It’s not even full stacked prism, I used the full stacked prism on the amp starege

balmy condor
oak tangle
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can we get a zoldick emote i have to replace deathstalker

bitter solar
balmy condor
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No other reason yes garf_sit

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Zero padding

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(Is it padding if I only hit the boss)

bitter solar
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Encounter doesn't end if the boss doesn't die smart

oak tangle
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ethical funnel that doesn't funnel cause bugged

red schooner
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I barely got to pad in p3 araz, the others padded instead antennaglorp

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Bastards

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Also, MM hunter doing 11 mil boss damage in p2, did he just highroll to fuck?

cunning needle
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Average mm hunter gameplay tbh

velvet cairn
red schooner
worthy rose
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name something more tilting than this

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one point off

sharp viper
worthy rose
quiet oar
supple spindle
normal mist
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... Nice

velvet cairn
balmy condor
spice lagoon
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i gotta get better at rogue

red schooner
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Damage amp included but not solely the amp