#assassination

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latent kernel
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the trading game just doesnt work sometimes

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everyone tried having the item and the vendor just doenst accep it

warm vortex
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Think im at the point where i have to lie about my spec to get into groups

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Sad days

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Even though it's like
super troll to do on hunter

true elbow
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Well, straight to the point :,d i will spam that shit than

midnight oar
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Funny I was about to ask the same question

viscid spear
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!energy

prisma monolithBOT
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Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

midnight oar
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But my question comes from experience. On my rogue on pure single target I'm around 2.5M. And I also tank and I encounter another rogue in ruelle that was dealing way more so I checked the logs and was staying above 50% energy the whole fight

cunning needle
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!design

prisma monolithBOT
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Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

zealous moth
main bridge
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hit em with the double

zealous moth
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it may be gear / play issue

midnight oar
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I'm definitely not excluding that

zealous moth
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not really sure how much is way more but

midnight oar
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but the guy was still staying above 50% energy and from his parse he's not bad

zealous moth
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what was his dps?

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and what was the boss?

main bridge
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if you really think that's the key then go AFK during the fight and see what happens kekw

midnight oar
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3.8M bosses only (gambit not street)

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all 3 bosses combined

zealous moth
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i mean

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first boss you have adds like half the fight

frigid leaf
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Bubbling Wax has not become relevant again, right? Please tell me I dont have to farm it.

zealous moth
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second boss same if your tank is sleeping and not doing breath

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and third boss you have adds a good chunk of the first phase

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i'll assume you're rupturing adds for the agi%

midnight oar
zealous moth
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in all bosses you have cs + multirupture potential

main bridge
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unless there are logs we're just speculating and this isn't really a useful discussion

zealous moth
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which would inflate your dps a bit

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yeah

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for sure

loud light
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also how exactly do you know they were above 50% energy the "whole fight"? just staring at their bars?

loud light
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or is there a log

zealous moth
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he did say he checked the logs

midnight oar
zealous moth
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on the first message

rigid flicker
zealous moth
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french log

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noice

loud light
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this is hooktail

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they're absolutely not trying to play for sanguine blades outside CDs

midnight oar
normal mist
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Guys i got a fun joke

loud light
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and they went back up once they were able to rupture two brutes

zealous moth
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if i'm looking at this right

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he was doing 2.8m dps to hylbrande

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to the boss itself

midnight oar
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My bad guys I probably did not select energy here

desert crest
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How much more dmg do we think meld is for us in m+?

normal mist
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0

zealous moth
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3.3m to hooktail

normal mist
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I've failed more melds than the ones I've pulled off

zealous moth
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and 2.5m to soleah

desert crest
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Is it really that unreliable

zealous moth
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so yeah, as i said before, those aren't really ST fights

normal mist
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I want to say 50 50

zealous moth
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you have adds, rupture and ct potential will inflate the numbers

normal mist
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Because you can't be hit by anything between pressing meld and stealth

zealous moth
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if you compare it to a completely st fight like postmaster, of course you will be doing less

midnight oar
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I thought sanguine blades would be interesting in ST honestly

normal mist
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It's a nice bonus when you have it

midnight oar
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I wanted so bad to be true that I probably misread the logs willingly

normal mist
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But you don't force it

desert crest
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I will have to test it out abit on my alt then

zealous moth
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yeah

midnight oar
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I tried after to stay above 50% energy during st fights and saw no improvements myself in fact

zealous moth
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it's strictly good for aoe bc the energy gain from multiple bleeds keeps you almost maxed in energy by default

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but in st, it's not worth it imo

desert crest
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Yeah it is really really nice for chaining

zealous moth
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that and the agi buff helps it deal even more damage

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it has so many synergies for aoe

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for st? not really

midnight oar
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for aoe it's quite easy to stay above 50% energy

midnight oar
zealous moth
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my dumb ass just learned recently that you're supposed to

midnight oar
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yeah bleed build requires it

zealous moth
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other than that, i'm not sure what else, just maybe trying to optimize shiv usage with 4set for more dn procs without wasting the stack consume

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and the usual

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also using shiv outside of dm

midnight oar
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yeah I'm spamming shiv as much as possible

zealous moth
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i can't really think of much more, we don't have a lot going on for st atm

midnight oar
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nice button this season

zealous moth
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yeah

humble verge
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finally in the top 100

zealous moth
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sheesh

humble verge
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and later tonight after raid

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ill be back to under top 100

zealous moth
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lmao

royal lantern
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you are top10 in my heart

humble verge
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top10?

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not even top3 OR EVEN TOP5

zealous moth
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damn

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bro wants it all

humble verge
zealous moth
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is it zac?

royal lantern
zealous moth
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big boy 4 u

humble verge
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@normal mist

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come out with your hands up

runic hinge
humble verge
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i think im like

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top 30 assa rogue rn

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might be wrong

normal mist
humble verge
zealous moth
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this was my 2nd season

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not much but i was pretty happy with it

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c:

warm vortex
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Niceee, what's the rio atm :O

zealous moth
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2.6k

winged sun
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8 on realm

zealous moth
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on wra but still

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i was pretty happy

alpine grotto
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so i would like to talk about just overall dps for m+ 10 for weekly vault. if a player has same skill level and tank is not chain pulling what spec would have the most overall dps?? Sin vs Outlaw vs Sub

potent oracle
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guys we should use shiv on cd on ST ?

unborn rain
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no

zealous moth
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2 during deathmark, then you can use 2 after it

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but save 2 for next deathmark

potent oracle
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perfect 😄

waxen oyster
zealous moth
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doesn't have to be on cooldown tho, just whenever you feel like it

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ideally, always when you have lingering darkness and 1 stack on your dsmark

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so you proc dn with lingering and shiv

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but the window for that is huge now so, it's not that tight

zealous moth
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if you're swapping specs for each dungeon you'll have to look into which one for each

waxen oyster
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idk sin is still extremely strong

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idk what people are yappin about constantly

zealous moth
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It is, yeah

runic hinge
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they think the bugs is the reason they arent timing keys and not their poor gameplay

zealous moth
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Who said it was bad?

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Ohhh

fallen charm
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if they patch the bugs they would also need to give a 10% aura nerf to assassination

zealous moth
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Guys i swear if singular focus wasn't bugged my ST would be better

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If they fix the bugs they should not touch anything as an apology for ignoring them for so long

runic hinge
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I swear if momentum of despair was working I wouldnt die first mechanic every single boss

zealous moth
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1 broken hero tree talent and the double proc on the lucky coin SOMEHOW

fallen charm
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if only my tier set didn't bug on lucky coins I could have timed my +10

ebon steppe
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Seems like

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Balance druid discord has been closed

fallen charm
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nice

zealous moth
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Fr?

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Lmao

ebon steppe
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Now it's officially

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ret druid

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i guess

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Man that shit is just crazy

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if druid couldn't get the buff they want

red schooner
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It looks normal

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I dunno

ebon steppe
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Idk man

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hearsay

red schooner
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I just checked dreamgrove and, yeah

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You heard some bad info I guess

ebon steppe
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kekdog sory guys

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Guess some trolls just made that bait up

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and unfortunately i ate it without hesitation

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That hurts man

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Hurts me more than assa bugs

fallen charm
fallen charm
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they are still missing the addon

waxen oyster
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assa 15% decrease from bugs (not clickbait)

fallen charm
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ou need both to get buffs

ebon steppe
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Man so many fucking bugs

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And I've been asking around

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Looks like most classes

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are just like us

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Severely bugged

fallen charm
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which one has more bugs? assa or dawnbreaker?

ebon steppe
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Warlock, dk, monk etc.

pure moth
zealous moth
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lots of bugs in dawnbreaker

ebon steppe
zealous moth
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so many spiders to kill

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big bug right at the end

fallen charm
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spiders are no bugs tho

ebon steppe
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Yes

waxen oyster
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i like the dawnbreaker bug

zealous moth
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true

waxen oyster
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where you step and go through the church wall

ebon steppe
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hooray for bio guy

zealous moth
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if you dismount without touching the ship you just went through and died

mint urchin
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I love the DB bug where the pack falls through the boat instead of the players, great way to share the experience

fallen charm
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and they come back on the last phase of final boss

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my favorite too

fallow canopy
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having a resto druid makes the ship experience very a e s t h e t i c with all the flowers and shit going with the wind

mint urchin
fallen charm
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seeing the hunter having a meltdown because their pet went flying away is also a good one OMEGAKEKW

mint urchin
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Saw it happen yesterday

zealous moth
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it is? damn

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i've been gambling with my life then lol

fallen charm
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I always stealth mid air

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guess I'm more solid

mint urchin
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It happened to me a few days ago when I stealthed mid air and then saw someone fall last night

spice spire
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Oh yeah that bug still exists

mint urchin
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I also had one bug where when landing on the boat it teleported me back to the boat respawn point but I was still mounted

zealous moth
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Oh yeah

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That one is fucked

wanton spear
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i like the one wher you kill first boss, everyone lands then you all just die to the darkness because it doesn't register that it ended

winter willow
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!gear

cosmic robin
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Streets and Dawnbreaker we play Sub right?

mint urchin
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You can play either on any key

livid dagger
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I like the bug where the tank and one of the dps start fighting in chat and the tank refuses to pull and the run falls apart when there were 0 deaths up to then and you were doing good on time

zealous moth
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Just go raw ass fb on every dungeon

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You'll be fine

mint urchin
livid dagger
mint urchin
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Just like Fort!

waxen oyster
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Real affix is mage player

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its where you get 0.5 a dps

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on details

stark halo
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Are they attempting to fix our spec tomorrow, or are we forever the red-headed step child?

umbral sigil
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Rogue is actually only mentioned in the pvp tunings

slate scarab
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The bright side is at least red heads are in this year.

reef shuttle
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Mmhmm redheads

proud pilot
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hello one question

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loomithar big explosion and it killed me even throuhgh cheat death

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is it normal?

latent kernel
livid dagger
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Loomithar big explosion killed him

royal lantern
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cheat death effects cant safe you from mechanics that are supposed to literally kill you, dont work when the dmg overkills you by 200% (too prevent degenerate "let mages/rogues do soaks solo with their cheat death" stuff) and you can still die from follow up dmg

proud pilot
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tried feint it was not enough 😄

vestal wren
royal lantern
waxen oyster
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yeah you need to cloak

royal lantern
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with big explosion?

waxen oyster
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if you want to stay in

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or step last second

proud pilot
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cloak works but second one I wanted to try survive also 😄

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bad idea

royal lantern
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no tank in range and got meleed i gues

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and, well

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CD is not supposed to be used for shit like that lmao

waxen oyster
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i tried week 1 on hc

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procced me through feint and ps

livid dagger
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Triangle bite hold hands 🥹

umbral sigil
# warm vortex

My brain interpreting the long winded explanation of "dont stand in shit" by my raid leader

warm vortex
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Take a wild guess what sever this copypasta was from

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Ill give a hint it's an EU one

unborn rain
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quel thalas

warm vortex
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Nope

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wasn't my screenshot

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was a friends

storm forum
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Idk eu servers

dire ivy
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silvermoon is usually up to date with their copypata

warm vortex
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It's argent dawn

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Everything i see from that sever makes it seem like 4chan as a wow sever

coral walrus
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how do i make plater tro track deathstalker's mark on platers?

main bridge
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Just use an existing plater that does this like Whispyrs or look at how his does it

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!plater

prisma monolithBOT
coral walrus
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i have whyspir but i dont see the mark / caustic. Maybe it s not working on dummies?

rotund oak
coral walrus
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@balmy condor any idea why your plater is not showing me deathstalker's mark on plater and the caustic, how is shows on the wago page of your profile? (tried on mobs too, not working)

flint trench
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hey guys just started playing rogue in raid this patch , i've seen a lot of videos / guides etc and i got a good grip of the spec but i still find my damage lacking especially in mythic, im always energy starved and even when i play perfectly i don't do that much , any way can i see what i can improve?

normal mist
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mythic raid

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or mythic plus

flint trench
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raid

main bridge
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I like the confidence that you’re playing perfectly

normal mist
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xD

rotund oak
prisma monolithBOT
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Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

flint trench
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like from what i know lmao

rotund oak
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well if u play perfectly how can u improve

normal mist
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Dmg wise, if you're doing everything well, you just lack ilvl and padding

rotund oak
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kinda contradictory dont u think

flint trench
unborn rain
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
rotund oak
flint trench
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more like i follow what people say perfectly

normal mist
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I've probably given you the best answer already

flint trench
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it's true i've not been lucky with trinkets too sadgers

ebon steppe
normal mist
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knowing when to pad is important too for most fights

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and when to rupture snipe

flint trench
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especially p1

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i guess more m+ to get used to being melee too

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ty for help hope they hire a rogue dev this season lmao

night vessel
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and again, no bug fixes for asa

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assa

zenith elm
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why cant we be more like fury warr

nova gust
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assa fixes are not real

zenith elm
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and just get our bugfixes unannounced

nova gust
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you've fallen prey to big funny hair for thinking assa has bugs

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(blizz probably)

unreal tide
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thats how caustic double dipping and singular bug came to us

zenith elm
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it didnt get bugfixed tho?

unreal tide
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it litterally did, it bug fixed caustic's double dipping, and took away SF at the same time

vocal cradle
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@balmy condor you are playing fatebound for everything except soul hunters?

vocal cradle
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Word

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I'll look em up

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Thanks!

main bridge
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There is also a pinned message about what to play

flint escarp
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why does the game claim that cabachon of the infinite flight is 46% better than mamas mega medallion>:( liabel

timber pawn
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More tuning, no Rogue bug fixes lol Blizz wonders why no one plays us

umbral sigil
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I also couldnt imagine anyone playing FB on soulbinder or Forgeweaver

main bridge
flint escarp
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are there any diminishing returns for stats? I see a lot of top assa players opting for more vers

umbral sigil
royal lantern
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hell, nobody here would know about it without some clickbait videos telling them assa is "unplayable because of bugs"

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can we stop being overly dramatic over some bugs and acting as if its some gigantic impact thing

warm vortex
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So

main bridge
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Bro you don’t understand I have a massive collection of details screenshots and I instantly noticed my damage being reduced by 4% and I definitely noticed and felt all the bugs (after I watched Whispyrs video)

warm vortex
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they super buffed one of BMs aoe talents
and it's still not taken over the other choice node

royal lantern
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but like

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jfc the comments here act 24/7 as if they are missing 25% of their dmg

oak tangle
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i didn't know there was bugs, my game wasnt impacted

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i now feel worse for reading there is bugs

umbral sigil
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just always blue parse and youll never need to worry about bugs

oak tangle
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bruh i orange parse and dont worry about bugs

umbral sigil
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😠

spice spire
oak tangle
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i just dont have time to, im raid logging with 2 guilds whilst blasting poe2

waxen oyster
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clearly not a player skill

waxen oyster
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you seem way more invested in claiming its bad

oak tangle
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why play a zoomer spec, or a 5head spec, or a plate spinning spec, when you can play paladin and press divine storm

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the real reason no one plays rogue

royal lantern
haughty flicker
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Plate spinning is warrior

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They wear plate and spin

royal lantern
royal lantern
haughty flicker
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Not the same

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A cheap imitation at best

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Real men spin themselves

grave osprey
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I spit at spinning hammers

earnest flume
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anyone got any tips for delaying early cooldowns on Loom to make hitting tangles less annoying of an overlap. just looking for a bit of room. and no i wont be swapping sub so i may just suffer

oak tangle
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you hit tangles?

haughty flicker
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The answer is don't hit tangles

grave osprey
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Why u hitting tangles?

royal lantern
grave osprey
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Assa target swap is trash

earnest flume
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i havent been hitting tangles.

warm vortex
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:O

oak tangle
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the best i can offer is to caustic and hope ur team doesn't kill in time Kappa

royal lantern
grave osprey
uneven plume
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everything is fixed

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else*

grave osprey
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Did i miss a bluepost ?

warm vortex
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they fixed ara kara

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so like

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that's technically bug fixing?

uneven plume
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no. but they were stealth nerfs

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caustic with focus was intended

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dont expect it to get fixed

royal lantern
waxen oyster
royal lantern
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where did you get that one from

uneven plume
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its obvious

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it would have been fixed by now

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maybe im rage baiting

haughty flicker
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Even if you assume that's intended (which we have no indication of), momentum if despair is still bugged as well

uneven plume
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but it seems set in stone

haughty flicker
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So yes that's massive rage bait

oak tangle
waxen oyster
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Here's my s tier ragebait

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m+ shouldnt give myth track in vault

royal lantern
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m+ should have stayed in legion

haughty flicker
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Trial of style should give myth track in vault

waxen oyster
royal lantern
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stain on the game

haughty flicker
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Nah m+ is a net positive for the game

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Even if it's not my favorite thing

unborn rain
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!plater

prisma monolithBOT
oak tangle
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bring back titanforging

waxen oyster
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all m+ did was up tuning way tf up

uneven plume
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if M+ is removed, hall of fame would need to take 6 months

waxen oyster
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because you have an infinite gear source

royal lantern
unborn rain
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an endless gear source worthless after a certain point besides vault

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whu

void pecan
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Give me reforging again.

lusty kraken
royal lantern
haughty flicker
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That doesn't make the bug intended

oak tangle
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as much as i like it cause it lets me get better gear, remove the crest system

haughty flicker
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That just makes not fixing a bug intended

royal lantern
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people would make themself weaker with reforging like crazy dracthyr_kek

waxen oyster
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hold on

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let me reforge all to mastery

haughty flicker
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Reforging would go hard

waxen oyster
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WHAT DO YOU MEAN ITS 30% LOSS

haughty flicker
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Let me reforge all haste to fix energy issues in st

vestal wren
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we have crafted gear

waxen oyster
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anytime i hear people say "i need crit mast on every slot"

royal lantern
waxen oyster
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its m+ers

warm vortex
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God i miss having defensives

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so much

vestal wren
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so you are already allowed to spezialise

waxen oyster
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i heard they have the best immunity

warm vortex
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But i like bombing things

waxen oyster
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Well

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playing survival is a self exercise in cbt

warm vortex
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And you gotta learn to turn that cock and ball pain into cock and ball pleasure

vestal wren
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dk has one of the best defensives

warm vortex
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Tbh

waxen oyster
warm vortex
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did time a floodgate 15 earlier

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so im feeling happy with myself

waxen oyster
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the community somehow manages to pretend it does

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wow players need to be studied

vestal wren
waxen oyster
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in a case on following like sheep

oak tangle
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even if secondaries don't matter, having a target to chase and optimise towards is rewarding

waxen oyster
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yeah its called

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item level

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big number

vestal wren
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you want a mix of all 4 stats, so a bit of haste and mastery too

waxen oyster
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"im bis geared"

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has all heroic items

vestal wren
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that too

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haha

waxen oyster
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somehow im impressed they've failed to make haste useful for sub

warm vortex
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Also holy

waxen oyster
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in a decade

warm vortex
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Fuu in assassination?

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In the ass assening nation?!?!

royal lantern
royal lantern
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also doesnt help that the average human is absolutely garbage with numbers in general

waxen oyster
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all these people stressing about how to gear early season

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meanwhile one of the highest players

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"Idk where the vendor is"

royal lantern
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like, i remember last season where people went CRAZY over the shity mythic HoC

and its insane reading the takes

waxen oyster
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i mean hoc had a quality buff

vestal wren
waxen oyster
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of not having to stress over mastery being the highest

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thats about it

royal lantern
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cus you had redditors (ofc, who else) saying stuff like "Mythic HoC is a 20% dps increase" because its 20% better then heroic one

not understanding that "this trinket is 20% better then the lower version" doesnt mean "you do fucking 20% more dmg"

warm vortex
royal lantern
#

and trying to explain the SIMPLE AS FUCK MATH behind it was in vain lol

waxen oyster
#

i think mythic over heroic hoc was like

#

13k on sims for me

#

which if that's 20%

#

boy....

vestal wren
#

or maybe i have not enough crit for the crit cap

spice spire
#

34%

oak tangle
spice spire
#

Remember fuu

vestal wren
#

(i am joking, caps don't exist)

warm vortex
waxen oyster
#

outlaw only spec that a cap somewhat matters

#

because their spec somehow doesnt work

#

without enough haste

royal lantern
waxen oyster
#

idk it just seems everything is made to bait

#

for engagement

vestal wren
#

I mean, i get a lot of logs send in dm's recently

warm vortex
#

@vestal wren

vestal wren
#

and people hold both 90 sec cooldowns

#

for 2 minutes

warm vortex
#

how can i increase my damage

#

right now im not doing a lot

vestal wren
#

and then ask me why they do bad damage

waxen oyster
#

Wait

#

if i get less cd uses

#

as a cd spec

#

i do less daamge?

vestal wren
#

to be fair

#

i do think its easy to do

#

you want to use it when its efficient

#

but then you are like "next pack"

#

"Naahhh next for sure"

oak tangle
#

sometimes, when i fuck up the start of a fight, i just semi go afk, and cbf pressing buttons

vestal wren
#

2 mins later you finally have the oppotunity...

waxen oyster
#

i call that

#

the boomkin effect

royal lantern
# vestal wren and then ask me why they do bad damage

another classic

"the only reason this spec is meta in m+ is because of its UTILITY!!! its always UTILITY!!!! its because of (insert abiliy/buff/whatever) THAT ITS META AND NOTHING ELSE!!!!"

meanwhile the spec does like 400% more dmg then everything else

vestal wren
#

its a beginner mistake, but one if made aware of, easy to correct

waxen oyster
#

yeah when destro rain of fire casually does 2x the next dps

#

they start pretending warlock gate matters in keys

vestal wren
waxen oyster
#

easiest way to spot alt rogues

#

is how often they press cheapshot

#

ngl

vestal wren
#

you can unbind it

#

if you run with a DH

royal lantern
waxen oyster
#

vdh moment

#

"oops nova'ed first global"

royal lantern
#

kidney? yeha sure

but cheapshot, lol

vestal wren
#

i think he means kidney

waxen oyster
#

nah i've seen cheap

#

its even more cursed

vestal wren
#

its not even that bad

waxen oyster
#

i think i only pressed it in bfa outlaw when vanish was

oak tangle
#

DUDE I CAN PRESS SHADOW DANCE AND SPAM CHEAPSHOT

vestal wren
#

on subtlety

waxen oyster
#

not even a real dps button

#

i feel its probably not bad outside dance

#

to kidney

#

since you still get cdr?

#

for spending

#

sub i still have snd bound on the offchance a pack ends and i have full points

#

but kind of a waste to keep them since prem will fill first global

oak tangle
#

sometimes i press airborn iritant blind mid pull cause i'm "helpinge" tank survivability

radiant dagger
#

any1 have any tips to get some damage out on the tangle`s on loomithar? getting flamed for not hitting them even tho i hardswap the second i can hit (mythic)

vestal wren
#

ye vanish is luckily more cosmetic on sub

waxen oyster
#

You don't

#

you ask your ranged to stop sleeping

royal lantern
oak tangle
waxen oyster
#

like you'd need to bleed up a tangle then ramp for an env

#

and at that point if its not dead

#

the fuck

radiant dagger
#

yeah thats hwat ive been running into, and meanwhile i lose all bleeds on boss aswell which in turn again loses me dmg

waxen oyster
#

!rik

prisma monolithBOT
#

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

  • Not your problem.
  • Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
  • If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
  • Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
    With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
  • Swap to Subtlety.
oak tangle
#

i'll be honest though, i only found out the name of tangles today, cause of the peeps asking about them

radiant dagger
#

so ideally if i wanted to please them a bit and do better tangle dam just swap sub ye?

waxen oyster
#

No your ranged just need to wake up

static glacier
#

!tuning changes

royal lantern
#

i gues

static glacier
#

!bugfixes

royal lantern
#

but like

static glacier
#

!chickenwings

royal lantern
#

bro, you are at loom in week5 or smth like that

#

spec doesnt matter

#

people need to actually play the game

waxen oyster
#

yeah lmao people didnt even swap in the race

#

no excuse for weeks more gear for ranged to not be able to almost 1 tap

royal lantern
#

tell your boomkins to swap targets

and your mages

and hunters

#

cus its always those 3 brainlets

vestal wren
#

its a common thing to complain about tho

radiant dagger
#

wait this is mental, i did more tangle dmg than the boomie now u mention it

vestal wren
#

guilds are not always the smartest and raid leaaders love to play the statistics game without understanding implications

waxen oyster
#

guilds like that im pretty sure

oak tangle
#

melee get blamed for not swapping cause you can visually see us not moving, disrimination

waxen oyster
#

they dont know how to read logs

#

beyond %s

vestal wren
#

like i can say this from experience

#

the majority cares about your parse %

waxen oyster
#

its just ironic because the same people will tell you

#

"parses dont matter"

#

while not being able to read a log

#

past the parse numbers

vestal wren
#

even tho many of the top parsing players in your team do so because they literally do no mechanics and just tunnel vision the boss

#

every time you hear anything else metters

#

it will in the end come back to parses for more casual guilds

vestal wren
#

because its the only metric thats easy to understand

#

ofc unless there is something extremely obviouse

#

like someone dying every pull

coral ibex
#

my guild is pushing for higher rank and we hit enrage on soul hunters because its been like 5 tiers of being told your damage doesn't matter, dont try to parse, dont be greedy, dont complain about boss positioning

vestal wren
#

(but his parses will be bad if he dies too)

coral ibex
#

and now they expect all their dps players to wake up and be greedy parse goblins overnight

#

meanwhile the tanks tilt if anyone complains about positioning

royal lantern
# waxen oyster past the parse numbers

i still remember applying to a guild after SoD was over

and the guild ofc said "we check logs, not just parses"

and then i got declined with the words "your KT log was Gray on all 4 kills, thats a bad sing"

if they would have checked logs, they would have seen that i was a downwards realm guy that had to hold cds the entire time

"checking logs" btw

vestal wren
#

i mean for any melee without extended range on abilities

royal lantern
vestal wren
#

so like sub rogue, outlaw, warrior etc

#

if your tanks don't know what to do on soul hunters

#

you won't parse well

coral ibex
#

our tanks are busy ripping threat off each other

vestal wren
#

because your ability to cleave depends on good boss position

#

and if you can only play it single target

oak tangle
vestal wren
#

you compete with people who can cleave

waxen oyster
#

man i just checked loktark's farm loomithar kill

#

their ele has 500m to tangles

royal lantern
waxen oyster
#

and thats rank 2

coral ibex
#

tank spec trees need to be gutted of all damage nodes

#

100% defensive choices

#

get fucked

#

im so tired of these brainless monkeys playing like their damage matters

royal lantern
royal lantern
#

and they dont wanna do that FOR SOME REASON

#

so dmg buffs it is

#

making dps more and more bursty->tanks get aggro issues->"lol we buff tank dmg"

#

goes on for years now

coral ibex
#

"im gonna hit a generational crank on this boss"
15 pulls wiped every night because he keeps ripping off the other tank

#

nobody cares man

vestal wren
#

tho the fun part is

coral ibex
#

put the fries in the bag

vestal wren
#

when tanks ask you to not use tricks

waxen oyster
#

Yeah there's a reason i dont play tank in raid

#

its boring

#

+i dont feel like ripping off the other jimmy

oak tangle
#

can we fuckin invade the tank discords and tell them that shroud lets them walk close to the boss, sick and fuckin tired of proccing cheat death on pull

royal lantern
waxen oyster
#

i just dont shroud on pull

#

if they do that

#

doesnt matter since boss gets early pulled by a boomkin

#

99% of the time

wet spire
#

BROOOO

#

this

#

fucking fat birds

vestal wren
royal lantern
#

fucking boomkins

waxen oyster
#

alexa how do i count to 4

somber sparrow
waxen oyster
#

im upfront with tanks

#

"i dont check whos taunting first, i just pick a random one so i dont get meleed"

oak tangle
#

but there's 2 boomies in the group and they progressively pull earlier and earlier, cause they want to be the first to hit, and "the other one went earlier so i have to go earlier"

vestal wren
somber sparrow
#

in our guild usually the one in odd groups is always first so i always have my tricks macro with their name in it

waxen oyster
#

on fyrak i used to tricks boomkins in hc

#

and shadowstrike teleport pull

#

and blame them

somber sparrow
#

i miss tricksing other rogues for the damage buff we used to get

waxen oyster
#

i feel like

#

10% of our gallywix early deaths in s2

coral ibex
#

bro that was like

#

15 years ago

waxen oyster
#

were due to a ranged early pulling

#

or getting stomped on

coral ibex
#

tricksing for a buff

somber sparrow
#

i was there!

coral ibex
#

i mean same brother

#

icc was lit

waxen oyster
#

You can just play classic

#

and mog everyone

coral ibex
#

it actually wasn't lit because the other rogue in my guild never pressed his fucking tricks macro

manic quartz
haughty flicker
oak tangle
#

wait how does mouse scroll and alt tab go toether

#

8s early is impressive

mental canyon
#

!macro

prisma monolithBOT
#

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

manic quartz
#

he scrolls trough chrome and his scroll is between the "clicks" and when he alt tabbed and touched his mouse i guess the scroll moved a bit and thus pressed windshear

soft robin
#

Is there a way to make a macro that if I have atrophic on it switches to crippling and vice versa? Found myself switching back and forth a decent amount in halls

oak tangle
#

macro's can't look at buffs

soft robin
#

It’s not a huge deal but just one click would be nice

#

I didn’t think so

oak tangle
#

best you could do is a cast sequence with an hour reset?

#

idek if that spossible

marsh pasture
#

Hello guys, quick question. I’m having trouble clicking back to my deathmark target after spreading 2/3rd rupture to other targets. Is there any way or any addon that will make my deathmark target maybe like focus. Or do you have any ideal how to fix my bad targeting?🤣

coral ibex
#

dont tab

void pecan
#

Just slam rupture a few times, stay on prio target with the mark

manic quartz
#

or use mouseover rupture/garrote

marsh pasture
#

Ah okey, i thought it would be waste of one riptured target. But yeah it might me better

waxen oyster
#

You could just focus your mark target

marsh pasture
#

Kk Will try, thanks ❤️

waxen oyster
#

unless you focus your kick one like you should

oak tangle
#

i focus tanks for tricks that i never press

zealous moth
#

same

manic quartz
#

smart misdirect for tricks that i never use coz i talent the blind thingy

waxen oyster
#

i tricks ret paladins

#

to increase my overall

marsh pasture
marsh fjord
marsh pasture
#

Oh yeah, i will look into that too

balmy condor
pure raptor
balmy condor
balmy condor
umbral sigil
balmy condor
lethal arrow
#

day a billion of waiting for fatebound bug fixes

balmy condor
sly spoke
#

blud not ragebaiting at this point we should all accept the shadow nerfs feelscryman

limber swallow
waxen oyster
#

assa literally feels fine

#

90% of the mfs only know the bugs exist due to clickbait titles

mighty vine
#

the fatebound double cd reduction is hella annoying

soft robin
#

Do they usually announce when they’re addressing bugs in a balancing patch?

unreal tide
soft robin
#

Rip

#

The two classes I’m playing have been buggy as hell this patch lol

latent kernel
# soft robin Rip

You’re a chiefs fan so atleast you’re used to being disappointed 🦅

soft robin
#

lol I’m ok with the last 7 years of fandom

#

But that was a zinger after Friday

#

🤕

latent kernel
#

Lol atleast your star players got married

#

Yall will be okay

soft robin
#

In pat we trust

latent kernel
#

Lol

dapper parcel
#

Heya Peeps. What is the quickest way to target a tank in a mythic to cast ToT (instead of clicking on the tanks icon every time and then casting tricks)?

viscid spear
#

Guess you need both wings, duh

solid canopy
unreal tide
#

!tott

prisma monolithBOT
#

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
green silo
#

is single target with the bleed build just maintaing all bleeds and CT and letting sanguine do it's thing?

unreal tide
#

don't care about sang

#

all your damage is in your DM window so get that done right with double shiv and vanish

latent kernel
#

So this way I can put it on the healer too

humble verge
#

hoooly shit its a buff

#

but id rather have it 100%

#

now its atleast 2,9 instead of 1,9

normal mist
#

Plexus HC

#

we pumping tonight my doods?

jolly stirrup
#

Cleared HC today poggies HOLY

humble verge
#

:3

normal mist
#

4:24

gray raven
#

so weird that the pin icon still isn't lit up

hardy fox
#

do you guys have combat text turned off, im too old to pick out rupture icons on nameplates now with all the text flying

torn dome
#

Good idea tbf I might do that

vale shore
#

I live for the huge cloud of numbers flying over a crowd

coral ibex
#

combat text doesn't hit the same now that it doesn't explode over your screen like in classic

main bridge
#

But I like seeing big number

torn dome
#

Also true xD

coral ibex
#

crits in classic are peak dopamine hits

vale shore
#

"1200"!

torn dome
# normal mist Plexus HC

Can you share logs? Like on paper I think I am doing everything right but fuck me im miles off xD

waxen oyster
#

classic makes me fall asleep

#

nothing happens

hardy fox
#

i mostly have text on to make sure im cleaving everything i intend to

#

but man its fucking hard to see if rupture is up when u got like 10 targets

hardy fox
#

i tried out your plater and was wondering cause everything is occluded by damage numbers

balmy condor
#

Visual noise that doesn’t convey information

hardy fox
#

bonus question, is there any way to truncate incoming damage/healing numbers on personal unit frame?

viscid spear
#

Only teleports I'm missing this season are AK and Halls

#

I technically had Flood & Priory from last season but I don't have 10s on them this season

#

I need a Halls bad though

split laurel
cerulean nest
#

lily simming higher than netherprism is normal right?

static glacier
haughty sedge
snow kindle
hearty seal
unborn rain
#

guildie said halls is easy and he hasnt times above a 10

hearty seal
#

also, some extra hunter tuning but no fixes for rogue : )

unborn rain
#

1000% we get nerfed if we fixed

pliant remnant
#

why is bro waffling

#

1000% BM gets nerfed too since they do good AoE in keys

#

oh wait

#

As long as we keep sliding down in raid rankings, they're almost surely not nerfing us

waxen oyster
hearty seal
balmy condor
normal mist
#

we back?

#

is discord BACK??

haughty flicker
#

i hope not

normal mist
#

holy

nova kelp
#

I thought I'd been kicked for a minute there

#

I was like wadidido?!

zealous moth
#

same

balmy condor
#

discord ddos

#

happens

main bridge
#

Whispyr please do not DDoS Discord

zealous moth
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
winged sun
spice surge
#

No backshot for bro Sadge

waxen oyster
spring moat
#

For a moment, I thought the madman in charge closed the discord like the rets did

warm vortex
#

Wonder if whispyr gives good backshots

balmy condor
#

dawg what

visual sun
#

Discord ddos on pins?

earnest remnant
balmy condor
#

new bug

#

discord sometimes doesn't work

lucid silo
#

is the bug backshot related

balmy condor
warm vortex
spring moat
#

Just stop 😂

warm vortex
#

Bro im being genuine

unborn rain
#

lol

warm vortex
#

Fuck it im looking this up

balmy condor
#

the hole gets deeper

#

and deeper

#

and deeper

#

bro just keeps digging

spring moat
#

And this is how you end up on a watchlist

warm vortex
#

Any farmers in the chat wanna confirm or deny this

unborn rain
#

milk is just congealed cow cum

spring moat
#

They do not make milk

warm vortex
#

Based

#

Also it's fun seeing BM get buffed

and then become stupid rng

balmy condor
warm vortex
#

So happy im playing sv

#

Not with that attitude

spring moat
#

As the great Robert De Niro said I’ve got nipples. Can you milk me?

warm vortex
#

IM going to sleep man i need to drive in the morning

worthy rose
#

my jod

#

how are you guys and your climb to 3k

#

13's are so fking easy but trying to pug them and not get potatos in the team is so hard

#

truly the elo hell

trail hamlet
stone charm
#

Guys quesstion, If I was interested in doing just boss dmg on araz do you think assa will still do more? (despite logs saying sub is higher on boss dmg- since no one plays assa there)

analog owl
#

YO

#

so ive been testing my dps with the bleed build for mythic, ive tried caustic spatter and internal bleeding and theyre around the same dmg in aoe, am i doing something wrong

warm vortex
warm vortex
stone charm
analog owl
#

yeah, well ive been doing my rotation good so idk

worthy rose
#

caustic spatter in keys should be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay higher than internal bleeding

analog owl
#

i havent tested it on keys just normal dummies

unreal kayak
balmy condor
solar wyvern
#

It would take literally 1 envenom per pack to make spatter worse than internal bleeding on god

analog owl
#

ive only been using the internal bleeding for keys

balmy condor
#

your rotation must be insanely ass

main bridge
#

hard griefing

worthy rose
#

wait is internal bleeding better this season?

analog owl
#

maybe, but im still dps like a mfker without it

jaunty sky
analog owl
#

with shit gear too

worthy rose
#

actually yall know what i have no idea i just copy people off murlok

#

lats season it was charrend and chainbleed

#

i havent rogued this season

haughty flicker
solar wyvern
#

Please show me a details screenshot with the % of overall damage done by internal bleeding

warm vortex
solar wyvern
#

Im so curious to see how youve come to this conclusion

balmy condor
worthy rose
#

imagine trying to figure out talent builds in game

solar wyvern
balmy condor
#

bro

worthy rose
#

when youcould just go to murlok and then check their dungeon builds on raiderio

balmy condor
#

I just did an opener just to check how bad it is

worthy rose
#

so much brainpower can be saved

balmy condor
#

it's getting beat by the fucking blocak

#

AHAHAHAHA

worthy rose
#

copying charrend and chainbleed

solar wyvern
#

Sorry to hear that again

analog owl
#

actually nvm

#

ignore what i said, i just havent tested it on keys

balmy condor
#

I need to see the details man

#

I'm blue balled

analog owl
worthy rose
#

the thing with murlok is you cant always trust it

#

coz you got trolls like zeross who put on troll builds

#

so you gotta go to raiderio to see the proper dungeon cleared builds

balmy condor
#

but

#

that's where it should be

solar wyvern
#

Guys i think ib is better

haughty flicker
#

was caustic lower than 3.1% on your dummy testing

#

because if it was we can probably fix that

analog owl
#

that was on a key

balmy condor
#

I was expecting like 15% internal bleeding damage just spamming IB

#

aight this was way more disappointing than I thought

analog owl
#

so when should i use internal bleeding and when should i use caustic, is it just better to run caustic then

solar wyvern
#

Caustic always

balmy condor
#

you run internal bleeding on ST raid fights with no adds, and caustic literally everywhere else

solar wyvern
#

Ib is used in pure ST (frsctillus) raid build

haughty flicker
#

if there is another add anywhere on your screen

#

use caustic

spice surge
#

If theres ever more than 1 target you should play caustic

analog owl
#

sounds good

worthy rose
#

those builds have been tested and proven to work yakno

analog owl
#

tf is murlok

worthy rose
#

murlok.io is a website that scrapes the top 50 mythic dungeoners based on score

#

it gets its data from wowarmory

#

it used to be a pvp focused site to track the top pvp'ers

#

it also does mythic dungeoners now

analog owl
#

cool

worthy rose
#

its pretty based

haughty flicker
#

whispyr is going to hunt you down

analog owl
#

but im better than them so im good

worthy rose
#

r u tho

analog owl
#

i will be

haughty flicker
#

confidence is good

analog owl
#

ive been running keys with internal and still out dpsing people with bis gear

#

so idk

worthy rose
#

yeah but the average wow player sucks

#

the gap between the average dude and the top 20% dude is huge

analog owl
#

i have blues still

worthy rose
#

and the gap between the top 20% player to the top 5% player is also huge

analog owl
#

is like league

worthy rose
#

then the gap between top 5% to top 1% is even bigger

analog owl
#

master to GM is like 0.1

worthy rose
#

kinda but not really

#

look at that apdo guy if he still plays

haughty flicker
#

last season i played a no deathmark build in keys and out dpsed people

worthy rose
#

he dunked on faker

haughty flicker
#

your average pug

#

is not great

worthy rose
#

and faker is the world champion many times over

#

you could press the on ebutton rotation

#

and still be better than the average player

analog owl
#

haha

#

faker only be performing on stage no cap

worthy rose
#

whats even funnier is the apdo guy

#

he has a whole closet full of his favourite mouse

#

coz apparently he cant perform with any other mouse

solar wyvern
balmy condor
#

this dudes gotta be ragebait right

haughty flicker
onyx scroll
#

jokes on us all, its all ragebait

worthy rose
#

someone

#

wheres that whispyr meme

#

"i know its bait but lets go anyway"

balmy condor
#

nah

solar wyvern
slender trail
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single button is a shit ?

balmy condor
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internal bleeding is way too obvious bait

balmy condor
worthy rose
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single button rotation is apparently 70-80% optimal dps

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which to be fair is significantly better than the avreage gamer

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and considering how blizzard tunes thier dungeons and content

balmy condor
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true

slender trail
worthy rose
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you probably can get 3k rating dungeon easily with one button rotation

balmy condor
slender trail
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I feel like my character can't do damage

worthy rose
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one button rotation has inferior logic and reasoning to its rotation than hekili

balmy condor
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there's a lot of reasons why that might be

slender trail
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but I don't know the rotation either and I end up losing

worthy rose
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its the new thing blizzard added months back

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you just press one button and it does your rotation for you

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with like a 0.3second gcd penalty

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its not very good

analog owl
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lmfao

worthy rose
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but its better than most players

balmy condor
analog owl
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thats funny