assassination

[tawdry halo]

Still cursed tbh

[balmy condor]

I mean how many targets do you have

if you have 50 targets, you're casting garrote until your fingers bleed

[mental trout]

so first pull of eco we just finger bleeding with the murloks

[tawdry halo]

Until the IC window ends

Yes

Use garotte to generate combo points

[coral walrus]

I think i am using too many bleeds in the bleed build in big packs. I see people aplying x3-4 casts of garrote and x2 rupture then full caustic spatter. any ideas?

[tawdry halo]

This sounds sensible. We can look at logs if you have specific questions pertinent to your latest key or whatever

[coral walrus]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KTt3QZfkLa916Vyn?fight=last i have this floodgate (we had 6 deaths though) but my overall seems way worse than it should.

[unique lark]

while I was searching for estimates of the dps% lost when Master Assassin is swapped for Iron Wire, I saw a few posts about dungeons where Iron Wire is good this season. A few days late, but I was very pleasantly surprised to find that it works on every mob in Halls that isn't a mini/boss. I expected it to only work on a few casters in a dungeon, like last season.

[main bridge]

You can sim that

[balmy condor]

I’m on mobile, someone might be able to give a better review but just off the glance I can give, your caustic is suspiciously low

[tawdry halo]

I’m out for the next hour but if no one takes a look within that time DM me

[unique lark]

I always forget what the idiosyncrasies of simming assasination are--it's aoe sims that're unreliable?

[balmy condor]

Would assume some mark mismanagement or general bad envenom/whatever management

[balmy condor]

AoE sims are fixed, we generally prefer dungeonslice for all situations

AoE sims don’t take a lot of factors into account that dungeonslice does, such as restealthing/chain pulling, varying target counts, a boss fight

Dungeonslice is just more well rounded for what you actually encounter in a dungeon

Versus some hyper-specific aoe sim

[cerulean karma]

We're progressing Loomithar right now and I'm getting called out for not blasting the adds more. I'm unable to do more than 75-100m

I see all logs hardly anyone hits the adds

[balmy condor]

Yeah, we can’t target swap for shit

[tawdry halo]

Yep your RL is an idiot

[balmy condor]

You just hit boss and tell your raid to eat bricks

[tawdry halo]

Or swap to the add for 2 pulls and show him damage

[balmy condor]

Sub doesn’t swap either

[tawdry halo]

And be like “what do you want here?”

[coral ibex]

its rik part 2

slap a rupture on it for energy and call it a day

[thick sigil]

man, i love parsing a bit higher than other classes while doing 5-600k less dps

rogue is great you guys

[red schooner]

I love it when raid leaders go on at rogues for low add damage when the classes that can actually damage adds are slacking and go un-hassled.

Its neat.

[lucid silo]

yeah jsut leave that guild because the raid leader is dumb

[red schooner]

My RL is fine with it, you just see it posted so often in here.

[thick sigil]

Imagine volunteering to play a class that cant swap targets AND does shit ST

[balmy condor]

You just play for boss damage and then pump

[wide berry]

for 10s, are we preferring hybrid or bleed? honestly dont even know what considered a low key since sifferent players have different ideas

[humble verge]

me for the past 10 years

[red schooner]

I just can't play anything else at a level I'm comfortable with

[balmy condor]

No one plays hybrid

It’s awful

[red schooner]

I enjoy sub, I'm just shit at sub

[thick sigil]

Was loom, but then again i had to switch targets...

[balmy condor]

Yeah you can do great damage on loom

But only if you don’t swap

[thick sigil]

Shouldve sent your message

[late basalt]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[red schooner]

Just need !rik but for loom, !moth

Problem sorted

[humble verge]

me when i talent off CS on loomithar

[wide berry]

👍

[humble verge]

[balmy condor]

You were talented into caustic? Holy hell

Down horrendous

[humble verge]

well i was for some of the prog pulls

then i realized i didnt need to

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/despair-gif-25063053

[humble verge]

me when im on the other side soaking beam

not being able to cleave

[eager bough]

Hi, I think there’s a bug with my Rogue talent (Fatal Concoction / Fit Pound – the one that doubles Combo Point generation during Deadly Mark and Kingsbane).

Here’s what happens:

When I activate Deathmark and Kingsbane, the talent correctly doubles the Combo Points gained (so each generator gives 2 CP instead of 1).

Then, when I use Envenom twice in a row, it should properly consume the CP and increase the buff stacks as expected.

However, instead of stacking correctly, the talent seems to “skip” or remove 2 stacks after using Envenom. Basically, the buff does not stack as intended and it feels like the talent effect is bugged.

Can you check if this talent is currently bugged or not working as intended?

[violet flint]

is the hybrid build better for 10+ and above than the bleed build? i feel like single target is severely lacking

[humble verge]

damn there isnt one where hes just pointing

[runic hinge]

nothing will fix your ST

[humble verge]

just play bleed

[runic hinge]

this spec is just bad at it in m+ builds

play bleed, top overall invite classes that do ST

[main bridge]

it's true that bleed does not have the best ST comparatively but i think the reflex shouldn't just be "this is how it is". lots of players make mistakes and assume it's the fault of the spec

[violet flint]

yeah, i guess that we cant have it all, but i just feel so weak to other classes comparatively

[runic hinge]

And then you look at details at the end of the run and you top overall?

[violet flint]

usually yea

[eager bough]

?

[runic hinge]

is this in mop

[violet flint]

cus bleed aoe is good but prot warr almost does as much ST as me sometimes xD

[runic hinge]

do you know what the loss is?

[main bridge]

there are lots of bugs in the pins. check if it's there

[runic hinge]

Do we have a talent that doubles combo point generation during kb?

[inner cave]

what you do think is the better stats for raid ? full critc- mastery o some haste?¡

[balmy condor]

Doubling combo points during…. What?

That’s not a talent we have

[coral ibex]

whatever sims highest

[main bridge]

not stat weights though, sim top gear

[sinful night]

if assassination wasnt bugged would it pull ahead of sub?

[balmy condor]

That depends, are you also assuming sub bugs get fixed?

[humble verge]

when im being told to go sub in keys

[red schooner]

Glorious

[sinful night]

I'm trying to figure out what spec to craft items for but i need some hopium to commit to one lol

[balmy condor]

Why would you need to craft for a spec

[humble verge]

you can just recraft stats

if u wanna swap fully

[red schooner]

For sub if you avoid haste you're chilling anyhow

[placid wave]

also crit master is just pretty good for both anyway who cares

[balmy condor]

Yeh just craft mast + not haste

[eager bough]

i mean this talent dosent work the coin after use envenom

[red schooner]

Vers/crit/mast, you're fine

[balmy condor]

It works fine, what are you expecting it to do

[humble verge]

do a gazilljon damage

[balmy condor]

You press cold blood, the next two envenoms critically strike and match the previous coin flips

That’s why we cast cold blood after kingsbane, to match edge case flips

[sand lichen]

quick question

did i do smtn wrong here?

I didnt get 4p cdr

i see 8 tails

[balmy condor]

You got the bug

[sand lichen]

ffs

and thats a kill man

i got 3 parse

[balmy condor]

Happens

[sand lichen]

and legit was getting 96s few times

[placid wave]

there's a bug that stops the CDR too? lmao

[glossy light]

thank you

[placid wave]

only knew about the one that gave you extra

[balmy condor]

Yes, rarely it can just not give any cdr

[sand lichen]

i usually got the 30 sec bug

and first time seeing that one

all I can say is fuck blizzard double bird

[lean drum]

!macros

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[silk sundial]

If you do get the 30 second bug. Is it better to just send it? Or hold/sync it with dm at 1min, if it also gets reduced?

[balmy condor]

I just hold for cb at 0:45 and go from there

Get things back on track

[sand lichen]

and if you get none what? grief the pull?

[silk sundial]

I haven't noticed a few times. Sending kb on its own at 30 seconds kinda sucks

[pliant silo]

bunch of top logs have the bug and send the kb immediately

I don't play assa much but... that bug seems fuckin' troll lmao

[balmy condor]

I’m getting 99/100’s just holding

[pliant silo]

doesn't it also reduce deathmark cd (so they'd realign still, earlier than 1:30)

[silk sundial]

Sometimes?

[pliant silo]

I zee

loom M 100

[silk sundial]

It can be good. It can also be troll if it messes up your timings. And then it sounds like sometimes it just doesn't work at all

[balmy condor]

If you can get an extra cast it can be good

[pliant silo]

rank 2 guy got the bug twice

crammed an extra KB at the end

[silk sundial]

Like an extra dm in execute. Awesome.

[pliant silo]

anyway yeah - crazy bug. I only noticed these because I was considering if I should spec swap for loom, and it's hard to differentiate the logs of skilled players from those who won the lottery (blindside procs, tierset bug)

[silk sundial]

On sentinel, it makes it easier to get your kb and shiv off before he pushes you back.
On loomithar it could be good since you can cast your dm/kb before the webs come in. More tails dmg since your burst doesn't get nerfed 30%

[quartz kiln]

In raid, should the prism be used every time we use the CDs or with Vanish?

[desert maple]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tawdry halo]

Vanish if playing fatebound

[spare kayak]

yeah, that happened

[harsh comet]

Guys, one question, have you already removed the bug from the Assa?

Coustic spatter is back?

[tawdry halo]

[covert creek]

there is no way to fetch the bug from logs if I held it right?
I either tripped balls or I got the cdr bug 2 times (+1 normal) after my 2nd DM

[waxen oyster]

caustic spatter has always worked

just doesnt singular rn

[balmy condor]

[waxen oyster]

Assa dead chat

i only did 2.5m more than #2

dead spec reroll

[unique lark]

No, I've not simmed it yet--I ran keys and didn't see Whispyr's reply about simming M+ specs. I'm hoping it's a relatively low dps% loss because Wire is proving pretty nice for gathering packs. Made the first two big mini boss pulls of a +14 Priory go pretty smooth.

[waxen oyster]

like 4-5%

[ripe sphinx]

i have like

double my mastery in crit

how bad is that

[severe meadow]

If only I knew your stat weights

[main bridge]

stat weights
2025

[severe meadow]

[slim copper]

so im assuming that before the intermissions on M plexus, we just throw a garrote and rupture on his ass?

[dim nymph]

If you are only reapplying during pandemic then it should line up everytime to where you don't need to reapply right before the phase starts

[slim copper]

gotcha ok thats something i havent looked at. So then that makes that fight and Araz timed (on a schedule) fights?

[humble verge]

man

i dont wanna get up tomorrow

18h and im back to nexus prog

[tawdry halo]

It’s an all you can eat saladbar

Where all you eat is wipe after wipe

[spice spire]

Us

[rancid raft]

antenna from timewalking cache lmfao

im done

[grizzled basin]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[vocal cradle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dvagmGWYk1tDhAC9?fight=last&type=damage-done&modal=fight-selection @balmy condor can you tell me why i suck?

or anyone xD

[haughty flicker]

dont have time for much but quick things

if you have prism bound to vanish, vanish before you do deathmark>kingsbane

so the coins are buffed by prism

your second shiv is late in deathmark, you want to shiv the full deathmark not back half of kb as fb

also dont use two shivs on lone kingsbanes

just shiv back half

[vocal cradle]

lol i do

i have been vanishing after

so bleeds vanish envenom?

[haughty flicker]

you have not been vanishing after

rather my bad

you should be vanishing before

you've been vanishing after

like just vanish at some point just before you dm

so prism is buffing it all

as you shiv or whenever

[idle lodge]

What's the proper key level to start swapping off of the bleed build for a hybrid for M+ for more boss DPS? or do I just eat the boss DPS loss in higher keys too?

[vocal cradle]

im looking at logs and all the rogues i am seeing are vanishing after kb and dm

[haughty flicker]

because like i said, normally it doesnt matter

it matters specifically because you seem to have macroed prism to vanish

[coral ibex]

none

[spice surge]

None really this tier

[vocal cradle]

ahh so they are likelying hitting prisim before everything

gotcha

[spice surge]

Its not worth tanking -10% aoe for like 1-2% ST

[coral ibex]

play bleed or swap to sub

[haughty flicker]

yeah

[idle lodge]

gotcha

[reef aspen]

They need to make kingsbane baseline. Locks hunters and dks have insane aoe while they get to keep really good st aswell

[marsh fjord]

And what if we have KB baseline

what does that do

[timber pawn]

Gives KB to Bleed Build

Can you imagine

[marsh fjord]

Again,

that doesnt do anything

Because our bleed build

compliments our bleed

kingsbane would be absolutely shit in a bleed build

[spice surge]

Kb isnt that strong, and its especially not strong without dragon tempered blades

[marsh fjord]

^^

[timber pawn]

It would still be doing 2-4M dmg a tick which is a massive boost to Bleed Builds garbage ass ST

[marsh fjord]

it really wouldnt

You underestimate how shit KB is

[latent kernel]

dragon tempered blades baseline would be sick

[timber pawn]

It is shit, but our Bleed Build ST is shit, so anything that enhances it some would be a win

[marsh fjord]

this is an kingsbane completely buffed

it would not even do 30% of this

n a bleed build

[timber pawn]

And if they replaced it with a good node it might pull us out the fucking trash heap the bugs currently have us in

[marsh fjord]

So lets say 10 million

10 mill on a boss in an dungeon

[reef aspen]

Tbh it's hard to buff bleed st without buffing aoe aswell

[marsh fjord]

is completely arse

[marsh fjord]

Yeah because you need to buff garrote + rupture

and then our aoe gets touched

[reef aspen]

And if you buff envenom caustic spatter is getting buffed aswell

[waxen oyster]

yeah kb aint doing 4m a tick in bleed build buddy

[marsh fjord]

Thats what i said

lol

[waxen oyster]

you’re thinking fb raid builds

that have dtb

[spice surge]

Massive

[marsh fjord]

Eleem

i love you

[waxen oyster]

[tawdry halo]

1.5%

[marsh fjord]

😄

[tawdry halo]

sign me up

sell the house

mortgage the kids

[marsh fjord]

@timber pawn

[spice surge]

This is with hacking it in, so not removing any talents for it (as its not worthwhile)

[waxen oyster]

I mean we still do like

3m in bleed

i fail to see the issue with how gross our aoe is

[marsh fjord]

I mean, if our apex talent would be really shit next expansion. we might see bleed + DT

[waxen oyster]

i’ve never lost to a dk on trash

ever

[reef aspen]

Cuz you don't play with good dks

[waxen oyster]

i mean if you’re doing like 2m as bleed

[marsh fjord]

or mabye xiani just pumps?

[waxen oyster]

you just suck

at the spec

[jaunty sky]

I think a rework like that would be sick for all rogue specs tbh
Whod play outlaw without the cdr talent or crackshot
Whod play sub without sectech or flag
Idk if the assa thing would be DTB but i would enjoy a rework in that direction

[marsh fjord]

DTB for assa would be really cool

But that just means

we would play KB everywhere

[tawdry halo]

back to hybrid in keys

envenom simulator

[jaunty sky]

It would need more than just 'this talent is baseline now guys fuck you'

[marsh fjord]

Honestly i was laying in bed the other day and i was thinking. how nice would it be if we could have cheat death + elusiveness together

[waxen oyster]

I feel doing like 3.5m as assa on pure 1t is fine

when we do 10m with a charge of shiv

on aoe

[spring hill]

guys is it ever normal for sanguine blades to pull way ahead of caustic spatter in overall? (it's been consistently my 2nd highest damaging ability after CT in bleeds build at keystone levels ranging 12-13)

[waxen oyster]

like no one’s denying sub st is better

[reef aspen]

No one does 3.5m pure st on bleed build

[spice surge]

Ofc you can

[marsh fjord]

you do

[main bridge]

no i would say this means you aren't doing enough caustic damage

[waxen oyster]

Especially if a boss dies soon after a dm

[marsh fjord]

let me check for you

[waxen oyster]

dm maghar is funny number go up

[spring hill]

any tips for improving it? I'm guessing I don't spam enough envenoms in my shiv windows and so on?

[main bridge]

your WA should show when CS is up - just maintain it!

[tawdry halo]

yep without logs thats all we can say

[marsh fjord]

@spring hill Normally this is how it should look like

Kinda ish

[waxen oyster]

Yeah its been funny

[marsh fjord]

Rupture is here kinda high

[waxen oyster]

new tier makes caustic closer to ct

than it was last tier

[marsh fjord]

Yeah caustic is bombing people

[waxen oyster]

ct was like 20% a key last tier

xdddd

rupture is higher on logs than details

since corrupt the blood+sbs are baked into its bar

[spring hill]

I must be scuffing something big time, I'd normally use my opener window of master assassin buff to rupture/garrote as many mobs as possible on a big pull and only then I would start pumping caustic spatter envenoms

[marsh fjord]

What kinda keys are you doing?

What level

[waxen oyster]

Lower keys you need to get CT out sooner

tbh

[marsh fjord]

Yeah but if its low keys that he is doing

it would make sense

that spatter is low

[waxen oyster]

12-13

ig so

[marsh fjord]

Yeah

[waxen oyster]

SD is slacking this tier

[spring hill]

12-13 lately but I've noticed it happening even on 10s

[marsh fjord]

Yeah how lower your going

how less spatter will do

[waxen oyster]

Yeah i mean 10s you'll be lucky

to get even 5 ruptures

unless group is massively dogwater

[marsh fjord]

Weeklies with friends

[waxen oyster]

breh i watched a priory get abandoned

[spring hill]

would you recommend a "hard stop" on x amount of targets to keep rupture on?

[waxen oyster]

because the ppal

walked into 3 packs

and died in the first 3 gcds

[marsh fjord]

Situational honestly. 5 ruptures is very good. i would say 10+12 is a big overkill. but it also super depends on how long the pack is gonna live and so on

[waxen oyster]

The true friend weekly

is the night before reset 10

[marsh fjord]

hahaa yeah

[waxen oyster]

and someone brings an alt in greens

[marsh fjord]

those are scuffed

i did a 10 aldani with soem friends

and we couldnt even kill the first boss

took us 10 tries

[slim copper]

!wa

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[waxen oyster]

somehow those end better than some pug groups i see

SOMEHOW

i should stop doing 10s for vault slots

[marsh fjord]

@spring hill to add on this. some times i do 10 ruptures or so. but i need to make sure that the 10 pack is living my entire rupture or atleast 75% of it

[waxen oyster]

this shit is already animal territory

[marsh fjord]

Yeah 12

are easier

then 10s

becaujse of animals

[waxen oyster]

the real scary ones

are sub 7 keys

on rats

[marsh fjord]

if someone ask me to do 7 keys. im saying im riding trough an tunnel

and i cant hear them

[waxen oyster]

delves really removed the need

to do lower keys

[marsh fjord]

on season start i did a quick 3 tier 11 delves for 21 gilded

and then some 7's

[hexed harbor]

so why arent cursed enchants worth using right now?

[marsh fjord]

and boom was capped

[marsh fjord]

because they are

[waxen oyster]

yeah i tend to do a map on an 11 on reset if i want some quick gilded

[marsh fjord]

'cursed'

[waxen oyster]

cursed net loses some stats

and assa likes everything

honestly i feel cursed enchants are only good for specs that have one stat which is a real stinker

[cunning needle]

which is the one that gives negative haste

oh its crit

[spring hill]

when is it best time to vanish with bleeds build? I might have got a bit into the habit of vanishing when mobs approach <35% hp regardless of remaining duration of rupture/ct and then smack a big shiv on top of that, not sure if it's worth it

[marsh fjord]

I always use 1 vanish in my DM. after IC. to reapply if needed ( is also very situational)

But the qeustion is

• do you have a pug tank ( hold one vanish) for chain pulling if needed
• do you have a friend tank you can talk about the route and you can vanish for a massive pack.

[hexed harbor]

im normally doing this, i hold a vanish like all the time just cause the tanks i play with pull weird at some points.

[marsh fjord]

yeah you can neve be sure

[waxen oyster]

tanks that chain low make 0 sense

its 0 benefit

[spring hill]

today I had some very bad luck with some tanks who barely let me restealth

[waxen oyster]

average tank that does weird chaining doesnt even do it in a way for his personal dps gain

[spring hill]

for real!

[marsh fjord]

I mean restealthing isnt really needed. it actualyl slows the key in a negative way. but it also depends how the tank is chain pulling. if the mobs are 1/2/3% thats extremely bad. but chainpulling when they are 30/40% those are good imo

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[slim copper]

guys quick question. can we cloak the beam on M loomithar?

[balmy condor]

yes

[slim copper]

thank you sir

[unreal tide]

!wa

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[polar rampart]

i always chain pull at bad times when i group with an assa and ask them whats wrong with their damage

[balmy condor]

based

[unreal tide]

@balmy condor with the most recent WA update what is the logic around the deathstalkers mark addition? I'm too illiterate to figure out what it means from the actual triggers

[balmy condor]

technically the logic is "don't shiv in single target if deathstalker's mark is up"

but the weakaura has to do some hacky alternate logic

[winged laurel]

hello, why is double on use simming 200k higher than crystal? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s7gRT8386em3Cqe1WGMBDy should i trust it?

[tawdry halo]

nope dont trust it

absolutely cursed

double on use bad

[slim copper]

would numbing poison work on the tangle break?

[balmy condor]

what the

[balmy condor]

in what way

[winged laurel]

erm

[tawdry halo]

[slim copper]

making cast time longer

[winged laurel]

ill change it see what happens

[winged laurel]

should i just use lily and crystal ?

or signet and crystal

[tawdry halo]

uhhh

depends

sim it

[balmy condor]

the.... cast time on the tangles, which don't cast?

I don't understand

[tawdry halo]

but ignore double on use combinations

[slim copper]

sorry the tank mechanic that they have to aim at the tangles. Isnt that a cast?

[cunning needle]

soul hunters with the add that spawns on mythic

[winged laurel]

wat fight style is good for assasination

dungeon slice ?

[slim copper]

it might not matter at all

[balmy condor]

no that doesn't work

but you wouldn't want that to be slower even if it did

why would you want to break the shield later

[balmy condor]

ya

[slim copper]

true

[balmy condor]

[cunning needle]

https://tenor.com/view/spreading-misinformation-gifs-gif-11575348421930192102

[rain mortar]

Make sure you all send your rain dances for bug fixes to come on Tuesday with tuning. Do it or you curse us all.

[slim copper]

I'm pretty sure we have been forgotten about. Maybe if we close down the rogue discord we will get attention?

[rain mortar]

No you just have not been doing your rain dances

[slim copper]

i can't rain dance, what about tap dance?

[buoyant herald]

Belly dance

[vale shore]

Blizz devs: "there was a rogue discord? "

[slim copper]

pretty not too bad

[haughty flicker]

ive seen worse

[slim copper]

mythic progr tn

[haughty flicker]

ive done worse

[quiet oriole]

Heyo we got aotc tonight and 2 mythic bosses down. Im winning dad.

[unborn rain]

s ritual forge good for us

[runic hinge]

good for m+

[tawdry halo]

good for deathstalker in general

[lyric gate]

hey i have a quick question

is assasination rogue still buggy?

[marsh fjord]

Check the pins

for the love of god

[lyric gate]

ill ask later again

[marsh fjord]

ban him

[unborn rain]

mods find this dudes square root

[hexed harbor]

!addons

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[quiet oriole]

Do we have a day counter of how long the most recent bugs have been live so I can send a bug report in each day with just the list and that day counter?

Just spamming them until I get banned or it's fixed

[haughty flicker]

well i have good news and bad news

bad news is it'll never get fixed

good news is you wont get banned because they wont even notice your reports

[tawdry halo]

based

[little tulip]

sad cause cleave went* harder on packs than bleed

baby come back 🙁

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1210600979645595678/cheerzac.gif

[balmy condor]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[clever sparrow]

did they nerfed us?

feels like my dps gets lower by a ton

( i cant see any pin so its probably skill issue)

[tawdry halo]

i got bad news

no changes

[rotund oak]

not pressing those buttons hard enough

[jade abyss]

Your press not hard enough when your finger doesnt hurt after a key and you have to do a break

[haughty flicker]

the more times you press your buttons during the gcd the more damage you do

this is known

[jade abyss]

I can remember back in the days bc and wotlk my buddy in skype was always noticing when i reached the execute phase with my warrior

For my buddy it was sound like this

[last skiff]

No pin

[jade abyss]

We will fixed with midnight pre patch

[clever sparrow]

we will start a new expansion with bugs

trust me 😄

[jade abyss]

I mean how long was shadowstalker buggy in df? 2 seasons

[clever sparrow]

12.0 same bugs

[clever sparrow]

they dont even care 😭

[cinder bobcat]

can we take tight spender instead of improved ambush for M+ and/or raid?

[golden loom]

you could but why would you want to

[haughty flicker]

hes very thrifty

[buoyant dome]

quick question - would it be better to refresh garrote/rupture outside pandemic before DM to avoid refreshing them during DM - or just refresh as needed during DM?

[haughty flicker]

refreshing during dm is fine

[hearty seal]

it basically ONLY works if you don't have any source of free ambush in your build, so no Blindside, as any access to Ambush out of stealth will allow you to just do more damage due to extra combo points

[slate crown]

I remember watching hamtaro as a kid, but I don’t remember a single thing in any episode other than anime hamsters

[hearty seal]

note that Tight Spender is a miniscule cut, 6% is like 1-2 energy per finisher, i.e. you'll get maybe 3-4 more finishers in a whole key?

[humble verge]

not just us, its me in the middle with @maiden sierra, you, @zenith elm on the right side and @coral ibex @haughty flicker and @thorn thorn on the left

[ebon prism]

Huh, really?

[haughty flicker]

yes

mr whippy went on a tangent about it a few weeks ago if you want a better source

after someone said one of the shitty guides was recommending to refresh bleeds outside of pandemic

[ebon prism]

[balmy condor]

there has been a large influx of logs that I'm looking at

that force refresh rupture

before a cd window

and it makes me very upset

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

some of them aren't even like "I saw it on asdjflkjalskdj"

most of them are just

"a friend told me that it's better idk"

which is arguably worse

cause we're just learning rogue via word of mouth

rather than using like

the sources of information from subject matter experts

like there exists resources where you could find out the correct rotation

but instead you listen to the shit ass blue parse ret paladin in your aotc who supported the discord shutdown and played a rogue in mop classic

so he obviously knows what he's talking about

it's very tilting

I could make a statement about how that's just life in 2025 because no one is listening to experts anymore and just grabbing info from chatgpt and governments around the world are leaning further right ideologically and building mistrust in journalism and doctors and other experts to instead peddle their own narratives and control the flow of information to further their seats of power

but that would be incredibly bleak of me to say

[haughty flicker]

[little tulip]

idk characters with aura are a phenomenon

[lean drum]

wats better for keys whetstone or algari mana oil ?

[vale fox]

so whispyr i should vanish before every DM for DS. the 2nd charge of my Vanish can i use freely as i need?

and yall got me my 97 average heroic parse. so im happy with the information i'm getting here

[haughty flicker]

avoiding the filter in a message to someone with the power to ban you might not be the best choice

[vale fox]

thats just how i write the word. its the internet

here lemme fix it

[midnight atlas]

but the government told me assa rogue is not bugged

[haughty flicker]

well i tried

[vale fox]

XD

[balmy condor]

Mana oil

[balmy condor]

Yes

[little tulip]

idk the thought of sending deathmark with improved garrote talented and using a regular garrote is silly

didn't know mana oil was better than a whetstone, is it a lot or like 0.3% over?

[balmy condor]

!warn @vale fox Adding stars to the word doesn’t make it better, it’s still filter evasion, which is in fact a ban-able infraction of the rules

[vale fox]

apologies didnt know

ohh this is something else i wanted to ask: if you reapply regular garrote over improved garrote too early does it change the dmg?

[balmy condor]

Yeh like 0.2-0.3

[balmy condor]

Yes

Pandemic only transfers duration, the damage the new application does is entirely dependent on the new cast

[vale fox]

ok so you want to really wait until you do that

[balmy condor]

So going from regular garrote to improved garrote is fine

Improved garrote to improved garrote is fine

Improved garrote to regular garrote is bad

[vale fox]

gotcha

yo how can i join the defias brotherhood role?

this discord deserves all the support it can get

[static glacier]

swipe

[vale fox]

i've never had a more effective learning curve when picking up a class

thanks a bunch

[midnight atlas]

does CT keep the original damage when cast on multiple targets if some of targets die?
like for example i CT 5 enemies. 3 of them die. do i let CT run out because it deals dmg as if it affected 5 targets or refresh it for 2?

[balmy condor]

You let it run out

That portion of CT snapshots

My weakaura also tracks that bonus if you use it

It’s the 1-5 on the CT

[vale fox]

yea this was something i asked too lol. was always refreshing early and losing on a ton of dmg XD

[midnight atlas]

i was using feelcraft and let CT run out so i guess feelcraft is good sometimes

wanted to be sure

[humble umbra]

@balmy condor are you aware you aren't getting recent vods on your twitch channel? I like to use them to watch you run your fingers through your hair but I'm 10 days dry

[balmy condor]

Twitch hates my vods cause of the music and keeps taking them down, they always take like 3-4 times until they actually post

Sorry about your goon

Will try again tonight

[humble umbra]

Thanks boss

[harsh wraith]

M+ question: how do you guys use your kicks, silcence, stuns? Mousever macros? Focus macros? Any tips for effective use of cc in m+? i'm trying to improve and carry kesy in pugs. thx for your time

[vale fox]

i do mouseovers. but i have a cursor trail to track my mouse easily

[midnight atlas]

mouseover for small pulls, focus for big pulls. i keep a cast bar available for focus target frame as well in case i can't see the nameplate clearly during big pulls

focus kicks are way better than just target swapping or mouseover kicks

[vale fox]

^ he's right

but im out of bars.

so mouseover it is for me XD

[midnight atlas]

i use the old slice and dice bind for focus kick

and assa has the least ammount of binds our of the rogue specs

especially bleed

[harsh wraith]

i'm trying to do the same, since i've had the same issues with nameplates overlapping. Any tip for setting up a focus target as fast as possible. I mean when you assigned caster dies, and u need a new focus

[little tulip]

assign focus with mouseover macro and kick is set to focus first

it's really only useful on like bosses

[midnight atlas]

i use a focus macro, you can do it mouseover or @target, however you see fit. after your focus target dies, most of the pack should be dead anyway, unless its priory

[little tulip]

best advice is to find the caster the tank isn't sitting on and nuke it

[harsh wraith]

thx guys

much appreciated

[midnight atlas]

i got mouseover everything tbh. rupture garrote envenom

[little tulip]

ye those are clutch sometimes

[midnight atlas]

feels nice to afk and just fan of knives, refresh ruptures, or ez mark swap with mouseover envenom

[harsh wraith]

#showtooltip Kick
/focus [@mouseover,exists,nodead] []
/cast [@focus,exists,nodead] Kick; Kick

found this online, it should be good

i think

[little tulip]

yeah but i keep the focus part in a separate macro

[harsh wraith]

ok, nice

[little tulip]

so i tap shift 3 i think to reassign focus

[harsh wraith]

il have a separate kb

[little tulip]

also so you can reset focus on ya tank after combat ends

without a bunch of downtime

lol i've forgotten to tricks and insta gibbed myself more than a few times this week

[harsh wraith]

i know the feeling

thx again

[midnight atlas]

for tricks i use mouseover in the party frame

way easier than bothering with focus

[little tulip]

idk it does just feel like that auto tank weak aura is the play

not worth being a caveman over tricks honestly lol(thinking about lime tang rn tbh)

[shut marsh]

anyone mind pointing out what i did wrong here? trying to push for higher parse ( other than wrong talent causic over internal bleeding )https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Pf1g6yk7dmaCL3MX?fight=6&type=damage-done&source=134

[royal depot]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[midnight atlas]

baseline 1h tricks should be the standard now

[bronze pike]

hey man, do you need a hug

[scenic plank]

Hello ! for Tricks of the trade thought i'd share, i've been using this WA and Macro for some time now and they work just great ! https://wago.io/kQ2LnX4zP/3 (macro in the description of the WA )

[balmy condor]

we have a command for that

!tott

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[balmy condor]

always

[bronze pike]

[scenic plank]

Thaaank you

[normal kayak]

Day 1432 without a bug fix. logs on, opens up wowhead... See's every class buffed... closes wowhead

[bronze pike]

cept mine

:(

[midnight atlas]

because not many ppl play rogue. so they dont care

[cinder bobcat]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[quartz path]

It’d be great if someone could call me out on the dumb stuff I’m doing so I can actually improve... (do we have a log review channel?)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GLPrdTx9Zk63KQVf?fight=10&type=damage-done&source=29

[fallow trail]

Anyone have a WA that tells you when poisons are about to fall off or not buffed?

[scenic plank]

i use this, it has a lot of other things, weapon buff, flask, food reminder ect, and poisons! and they are clickable https://wago.io/jNjrKl3US/300

[cyan lily]

yo

izi question i think

why some rogues are using araz on keys and not netherprism

and if is worth for like floodgate i run araz and nether prism for get 18 stacks for momma

[midnight atlas]

maybe they dont have netherprism

[west crown]

2 mins good for death stalker?

I dont understand how this is a question

[final star]

clickable weakauras should be banned

[cyan lily]

i agree too, its just when i sim, the dmg from nether is stronger

[final star]

they cause taint and weakauras wasn't made to be clickable

[fallow trail]

🐐

[haughty flicker]

taint dn

[cyan lily]

on sims , the nether does more dmg, and when i see some runs, they are using the araz

im talking about assa only btw, but i know like sub can run araz and nether also

[west crown]

Araz is a 2 min. We are a 2 min is m+. “The nether does more damage” I’d bet not in m+

Higher highs on every few packs maybe. It’s good but Araz is probably better on avg

[scenic plank]

this is the first one i tried that is clickable, imported it when started playing assa, but it dissapears when you go in combat !

[cyan lily]

i was thinking like that

especcialy on demand damage at some key starts

[red schooner]

You can pry the vantus weak aura I have from my cold dead hands

[final star]

Do you ever get those messages "action has failed because of x addon"

[final star]

bruh just set up a mouseover action bar

[red schooner]

I just have an add-on for poisons, it works

[west crown]

Default ai >

[final star]

I have poison reminder aura on my buffs

then I just have a left click/right click macro

for poisons

[scenic plank]

i will if I ever have any problems with it, but for now it's fine and i just wanted to answer my fellow rogue's question !

[final star]

Do you ever get those messages "action has failed because of x addon"

clickable auras are one of the causes of that

[opal needle]

nope

answering you on my other PC because i need to work .-.

[deep breach]

I've heard different things. Are you guys using CT on ST or no?

For bleed build I mean

[final star]

yes

[deep breach]

I thought so. Was getting flamed by a guildy for using it. Good to know.

[golden loom]

the 3rd boss in street menagerie, can you just stay in and evasion her deathspin?

[final star]

yes

[golden loom]

perfecto mundo

[cunning needle]

you can also tank the 1st boss with feint up till 13 at least

[golden loom]

the slam down?

[cunning needle]

yeah

on full hp of course

[sharp viper]

you need to make sure your back doesnt face the boss though, she will shred you

[cunning needle]

just take hands off keyboard when you pop evasion

[quasi grove]

What talents are you using on raids? Do you swap between bosses? FB bulid provided on wowhead guide is to go?

[warm vortex]

Just take the wowhead builds for each bosses ye

Whispy is a goat

[silk merlin]

what is this and where can i find it?

[pulsar dirge]

Well you mostly play FB except council dh I guess

[silk merlin]

how in the hell is this possible? KB again after that short time?

[jaunty sky]

Bug

[hardy dagger]

They just turbo buffed bm but cant fix rogue bugs

[spring hill]

yes, we need to lock down rogue discord just like the 2.5 button rotation divine storm champs did, to get noticed by blizz! 😅

[hardy dagger]

I really wonder how many people are working on tww atm I'd assume most of the wow team is busy with midnight

Bug fixing seems very low on the priority list

[desert crest]

All of this shi happend because of a bug fix like they should just revert the bug fix and do it so it works

Aint no way that takes long to do

Worst case we just get our 8% caustic bug back lul

I know i would not be out here complaining if that was the case

[cyan lily]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[humble verge]

the double proc bug do be like that :3

[silk merlin]

how does the bug even work? just random cdr or?

[grim vigil]

was on vacation why are ppl playing sub now? is assa not viable after bugs?

[warm vortex]

Tbf, it was mainly raid targeted

Hence why DR recived the brunt of the buffs and is now the go to for most raid encounters

but yea

it's outragous that rogue wasn't fixed

[red schooner]

We're still good though so, it's fine

[normal mist]

Most people see online videos saying "OMG ASSA IS SO BAD NOW 15% NEFF WJTH BUGS!!!!" And go with it

Meanwhile we're still topping meters

[grim vigil]

thats what i thought

[normal mist]

We could be better yeah but we're not in a terrible place

Both in m+ and raid

[grim vigil]

at least better than enhance

KEKW

[forest nacelle]

i think those ppl don't know how to play ASSA...............

[normal mist]

Obviously they don't

[forest nacelle]

yeah...

[desert crest]

How much of a dps loss are bugs even in m+ with bleed build atm?

[normal mist]

Again, we could be a bit better, especially in m+ if caustic / singular focus was working

[desert crest]

like 4% or so?

[forest nacelle]

yeah M+ i think i would like 2% or 4% better, but raid im very comfy.

and thats in ST not AoE

[normal mist]

Raid is good. We do lose the funnel aspect of DS in things like araz/soul but eh

[forest nacelle]

true

i just run fatebound for everything

xD

[normal mist]

Same but soul

[desert crest]

Just play sub in raid tbh

Just makes life easier

[forest nacelle]

yeah i gotta learn DS on soul but i get that.

[desert crest]

Apart from st encounters ofc

[normal mist]

Ive been telling myself for years that I'd do that one day. That day hasn't come yet

I literally am incapable of playing sub

(I've never bothered learning)

[forest nacelle]

im kinda the same, i can do the burst phase, but when i bottom out i feel so BAD

[desert crest]

Just play it in m+ u will learn quick

Learning only trough raid is very much more difficult

[normal mist]

I used to play sub in m+ during DF S1!!!

I enjoyed it

Then things changed a bit

And I went back to 100% assa

[open wolf]

[split cipher]

Storm black powder x infinity. The good ol days

[normal mist]

Right?!

[obtuse ruin]

Actually tho

[normal mist]

I wasn't even good at it but good enough to time the old 20s

(now current 10s)

[humble verge]

we ballin in new gym today

[marble bane]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[jade abyss]

Shuriken stom into black powder was definitly peak gameplay

I was doing it s1 and s2 :D

[verbal granite]

having: Netherprism, Ritual Forge, Lily & Ara'Kara trinkets would you still just go for what sim tells you to? I cant get Netherprism to ever sim higher than a 697 lily + 710 ritual forge. Ara seems only to be up there on ST when simming.

[grim jay]

Lily + ritual forge is bad in the first place

You dont want 2 on use

That aside, simming aint wrong

[verbal granite]

So I should try to get my hands on antenna or pacemaker I guess

[grim jay]

Definitely

Even the dawnbreaker trinket could work

Or soleahs

Just gotta sim to see what to farm

[verbal granite]

Thanks (Y)

[severe meadow]

Pacemaker was best for me until Antenna

[verbal granite]

paired with ritual forge? :)

[digital venture]

12d since last pin starting to lose hope x)

[winter salmon]

threaten to close discord?

[red schooner]

That's it, close outlaw. That'll show them.

Actually wait, we need the outlaw containment zone

[gusty mirage]

Man I miss shadowlands

Jk

[jade abyss]

Let us do the ret way D:

[gusty mirage]

I didn’t mean it

Don’t kill me

[zealous moth]

save it for midnight

we´ll get bugfixes by then IF WE ARE LUCKY

they are just saving them for next expansion so the 3 new hero talents don't break them again copium

[gilded swallow]

Heyey! Can I ask a super quick question?

Playing Assassin Deathstalker in M+, what talent do you drop if you want Iron Wire?

[zealous moth]

deathmark

[gilded swallow]

:(

[zealous moth]

i´m assuming you´re running standard bleed, right?

[gilded swallow]

Ye

Lightweigh shiv is what I've dropped atm

[zealous moth]

probly sbs

or shiv yeah

wait, can you drop spikes and not lose the lower tree?

[gilded swallow]

I can!

[zealous moth]

cause i feel like 2 shiv is a way bigger dps gain

[exotic hazel]

I dropped Doomblade personally

[royal lantern]

2nd shiv charge or Master Assassin

[royal lantern]

what?

how can you drop doomblade

[zealous moth]

if you can, run a dungeon slice sim with both options, dropping shiv in one and spkies on the other

[zealous moth]

huh

[exotic hazel]

Not doomblade, Master Assassin

[gilded swallow]

What do you get for the 2nd point then if you're not running doom- ah yeah

[exotic hazel]

Brain fart 😂

[zealous moth]

ohhhh

yeah i was like

is that even possible

[gilded swallow]

Thanks for the help tho <3

[exotic hazel]

It's not possible to drop Doomblade haha, was a brainfart don't mind me 😂

[unborn rain]

rogue friends

[royal lantern]

i have friends?

[exotic hazel]

Iron Wire is too good for PuGs imo

[zealous moth]

yes

true

i have considered running it for dungeons like priory

with those slices with 700 casters

where pugs just dig in their assholes while holding kicks for god knows what

[exotic hazel]

I normally only do 10s-12s anyways, so not sure if it matters much higher up with well coordinated groups

[exotic hazel]

But at my level, it's a lifesaver

[unborn rain]

ty to whoever looked at my logs ^_^

[zealous moth]

noice

what boss?

[unborn rain]

i forgor

heroic loomi

onwards to mythic soon tho ^_^

[zealous moth]

hell yeah

same here

[unborn rain]

dap me up gang

daps

[zealous moth]

https://tenor.com/view/greasestain-woody-dap-up-dapping-toy-story-gif-16829324021208675735

[zealous moth]

btw

kinda unrelated but

the cheesy cloak to immune loom's big slam

i love making people freak out

[royal lantern]

weeeeell

on mythic you probs need cloak to clear soak stacks

[zealous moth]

last week my raid lead was like
ok this guy not moving is dead
nothing happens
wuh??

[pine cave]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[unborn rain]

u can avoid the pishback on plexus?

[normal mist]

Everyone runs out

Me and my homie paladin tank

Bubble + cloak

https://tenor.com/view/eltonjohn-rocketman-i'mstillstanding-meme-music-gif-12342976644420671547

[main bridge]

hmm

wonder if my RL would notice and get mad at me for not hitting the adds

they die pretty quickly anyway

[zealous moth]

probly not

you can cheese it tho

void elf racial

is busted

you just ignore the mechanic altogether

[normal mist]

Why is my YouTube trolling me

[zealous moth]

man i love clickbait

THIS FUCK ASS SPEC IS GOD TIER AND BASICALLY YOU ARE FUCKING STUPID

yes youtube, thank you youtube

[humble verge]

petko being aut as usual

[zealous moth]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[zealous moth]

wtf is that green box next to rupture

envenom buff?

[violet hemlock]

ye and its 2 bars cause of twist the knife

[zealous moth]

ye

makes sense

thanks

looking for a nice wa, im tired of having my bars in the middle of my screen

[deep breach]

You guys think our m+ ST will ever get a bit of love?

[zealous moth]

not likely

[deep breach]

Every class seems to be getting buffed. Getting harder and harder to keep at the top of the meters 🤣😭

[zealous moth]

unless KB gets a fat buff

our or aoe gets a big nerf lol

[fluid dagger]

is mm hunter just busted? was here a year ago when it wasnt great lol

[deep breach]

Our aoe is good yeah but honestly, with all the other class buffs happening, it's not exactly impressive.

Anyone else see kess doing 55m on the first FG pull on his evoker? 🤣

[zealous moth]

yeah

[deep breach]

I love rogue, but we do seem to be the middle child of the classes.

[zealous moth]

saw an evoker do 30m on the first pull in streets

5 ADDS

[deep breach]

They're getting buffed as well lool

[zealous moth]

dev is getting buffed again?

[deep breach]

Yeah

[zealous moth]

newest class favoritismo

tbf tho

i haven't seen an evoker in a fat minute

[deep breach]

Evoker is fun, but the movement and charged spells in m+ feel bad

Plus Aug and pres are dog shit so I guess the class doesn't appeal to too many

[normal mist]

Favoritismo

[grave osprey]

Just tell ur tank to pull adds with boss and all your problems will disappear. Preferably 4

[zealous moth]

also we shouldn't hate on them

aren't they a sub 5% class like us?

underpicked brothers

[deep breach]

Yeah that's what I've been trying to do. Nice when it happens but rare in a pug.

[zealous moth]

man, wish we could just rupture our party members

bleed for me bitches

[grave osprey]

Thatd be sick

[deep breach]

Just had a tank rage quit because he pulled all the mobs including the gargoyles on the side in to the 2nd boss in a 10 HOA and died.

[zealous moth]

bleed and give me %Agi

[zealous moth]

no condom in his wallet

bc the only thing he's fucking is STUPID

[grave osprey]

A personal headache of mine is when tanks pull a single pack with all my CDs up as UHDK.

Most specs has their drawbacks

[deep breach]

Worst part was, we could have timed still but he stood there and waited for 12 minutes for the timer to run out so he could leave without getting deserter

[steady glen]

anyone gonna tell blizzard we deleting this discord if the bugs arent fixed

[zealous moth]

bruh i tried hard mode taza last night

i told my tank to take it easy-ish

he pulled the first pack and then 2 adds

we sat there killing 2 adds

i was like okay, not that easy

[grave osprey]

💀🤣 oh naaa

[main bridge]

Mods please start timing out people that ask for the server to close so this stops happening

[zealous moth]

i feel like

[normal mist]

Just look at them sideways

[deep breach]

A personal favourite of mine is when a tank pulls 2 mobs. Waits 20 secs, pulls 2 more waits a bit, pulls 1 more.

[main bridge]

I wish that worked

[fluid dagger]

also my favorite pull method

[zealous moth]

my personal fav is when they wait till 1% to chain another pull

[unborn rain]

dude same

[zealous moth]

no stealth but also EVERYONE LOST THEIR CLEAVE UPTIME

[fluid dagger]

blows cd for free stealth**

[unborn rain]

cant tell the tank anything tho

or

[deep breach]

I made a tank and invite rogues to my pugs deliberately to make them feel good for once.

[zealous moth]

godsent

[grave osprey]

Tanks outta know how to pull around their team’s CDs, but you cant expect too much from tanks. God forbid they have to use their brains once or twice.

[dense pine]

hello guys can we craft 2x everforged stabber ?

[zealous moth]

no

[deep breach]

"why are you pulling mobs on the boss if we don't need to" the rogue just being silent but I know he's happy.

[unborn rain]

ur lucky if a tank bothers to set a decent non troll route

[zealous moth]

don't make the same mistake as me

[unborn rain]

"well 4 years ago this was my hoa route wdym % got changes"

[grave osprey]

Mobs on boss should be the norm. I wish blizz would just implement that. Like 1 or 2 trash packs tied to the boss as a form of silent Assa tuning 🤣

[deep breach]

For real. I was telling my buddy to do it and see the difference in my dps on bosses when he does.

[deep breach]

Be me and craft the int dagger instead

4am crafting after a night out is not advisable

[grave osprey]

It’s a big difference, specially on overall damage at the end of the key. And it saves a ton of time. Some specs, such as Assa, benefit greatly from having more than one target.

[deep breach]

I mean, if you can pull mobs on to the boss, I don't know why you wouldn't

Especially in higher keys where the time is so punishing

[grave osprey]

Pulling mobs to bosses requires non-linear thinking.

[deep breach]

I've personally found streets to be the most punishing time wise this season

[grave osprey]

Its not nearly as bas as it used to br

I feel like echoes

Can be an easy brick

[deep breach]

Overall I like the current dungeon rotation. Although I'd be happy if I stopped falling through the boat in DB 🤣

[grave osprey]

Luckily I’ve never had that happen to me

[zealous moth]

you can craft a belt if not playing M raid

or a ring or neck if you aren´t having luck with those

[dense pine]

thx !

[zealous moth]

"bis" neck and 1 ring come from m+, other one comes from plexus so

those first 2 can take a while to get

recommendation is to always sim it to see what your biggest upgrade is tho

but i have no idea of how to sim for crafts

[spice surge]

same as other items, just add them into your topgear

[zealous moth]

yeah but like

i don't know how to add an item there

[main bridge]

Search box at the top

[zealous moth]

...

im fucking blind

[spice spire]

Same

[analog field]

Fastest way is to droptimizer crafting items though

[unborn rain]

fuck hoa

[latent tendon]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[zealous moth]

is mythic lily better than H forge for ds?

i'm pondering my vault options (knowing it will still be garbage)

[latent tendon]

Is there any way to extract only a mod from a plater profile?

I just want a way to change the color of the nameplates for the mob which has Deathmark on it

[dim nymph]

there is a weakaura for this

[whole wolf]

"oh yay 2 delves trinkets.. again"

[dim nymph]

https://wago.io/5FWtjYFgC/1

[zealous moth]

No that's for deathstalker mark

He wanted deathmark

[dim nymph]

can easily change it

also why deathmark tho lol?

[zealous moth]

I mean if you know how to use plater you can probly find it and copy it for dm yourself

But personally i just add the debuff highlight

Those are really easy to set up

[viscid spear]

+10 Eco

[zealous moth]

is elemental bad for m+? or is it just the players?

i keep seeing ele shammys doing sub tank dmg

[viscid spear]

Tank pulled big and fast, I did my best to bleed

[zealous moth]

also warrior but still

[viscid spear]

Hunter was pumping with his Beast Cleave

[spice surge]

Elemental is among the best specs for m+

So yeah playerissue

[zealous moth]

lol

[viscid spear]

His Overall

[zealous moth]

but like

3.3m overall is s2 numbers

[viscid spear]

On every trash pull he was barely squeaking by the tnak

[zealous moth]

they have to be doing something EXTREMELLY wrong

[red schooner]

Either that or a rat alt that got smuggled maybe?

[zealous moth]

could be

[agile flame]

damn sucks in priory paladin area if you never get to restealth.. paladin is just about to die and then the next pack is pulled haha

[zealous moth]

what was their ilvl?

[viscid spear]

Gimme a sec

[zealous moth]

just vanish

or like apply 5 ruptures manually

you get almost full combo from a single fok anyway in those pulls

[agile flame]

yeah I do

[zealous moth]

what was the command

!aoe

[cold palm]

happened to me last night.. bricked my +12 due to a 710ilvl ele who de 4.5 overall.. was wondering the same thing

[viscid spear]

698 on last logout

[zealous moth]

there's no way lol

[agile flame]

reminds me of sunkings blessing as fire mage though when the tank doesn't pull the next pack and i have like 3 seconds to cast... annoys me

[viscid spear]

That Eco-Dome right there he healed, it's not the only we just did

(this is his M+ page btw)

[viscid spear]

Also here's Details

That healer was insane, the tank was on a suicide mission

[humble verge]

your

[viscid spear]

Only 2 deaths in the entire dungeon, both were the Shaman

[royal lantern]

bro im just stealing memes other guys send

[viscid spear]

Wait shit, I had it on the wrong tab. There were 7

[zealous moth]

i mean, mythicstats shows ele doing 4.9M avg on week 1 so

that dude was just sleeping on the keyboard

[viscid spear]

[sacred ibex]

!chain

[true elbow]

Hey! With the bleed build in M+ on full single target are you suppose to stay above 50% energy to maximize sanguine blades, and if so how strict should I be with it ? 😄 Thanks

[spice surge]

No

[latent kernel]

tazavesh streets glitched again on market game for the 3rd key in a row 🙃

[main bridge]

What’s the glitch?