assassination

[winged sun]

idk

assa makes me want to quit M+ this season

[humble verge]

same :)

[winged sun]

therefore

im not pushing

this season

[waxen oyster]

The problem is havoc players all share one collective braincell

[young reef]

ok niche rotation question time

say you guys are going into a boss bleed build

and u have all cds

do use single shiv deathmark, and save the second for a darkest night dry shiv after?

[vapid terrace]

2 shivs with deathmark, 1 shiv last 8 seconds of KB

[wary breach]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[balmy condor]

You literally always double shiv deathmark that is not optional

[young reef]

ok sounds good

i wasnt sure how worth it was with 10 second shiv

[zealous moth]

No

Never

Oh whyspir already saw this

God have mercy in your soul

[young reef]

its ok he wants to help 🙂

[vapid terrace]

Parsing heroics is so hard.. seems my execute cds are either cut short or don't come off cd in time. I jokingly call in coms to stop dmg 😆

[humble verge]

you just need a better group/guild to parse

or just be better

icl

[vapid terrace]

I orange parse. I want pink

[young reef]

does anyone have a sense of how much of a dps increase it is to refresh second shiv with 5 seconds on dm tho

just curious

[cobalt robin]

teach me senpai T.T im literally greyparsing and i dont know why 🙁

[humble verge]

well

just git gud

[zealous moth]

Uh

You should always aim to cover your entire deathmarj with shivs

If that answers your question

[young reef]

are we also pre-shiving in bleed build

[zealous moth]

Don't know numerically but

[zealous moth]

No

[waxen oyster]

kill times, gear

[zealous moth]

That's just to boost tail flips with fatebound

[zealous moth]

If you're asking for the bleed build, always try to cast 2 shivs during dm

That way you are buffing your 200% damage bleeds

[young reef]

sounds good

[zealous moth]

Outside of that i think it's less of a damage gain

[young reef]

just tested on a dummy seems noticeably better for st

ty

[zealous moth]

Unless you're saving it for something specific

[vapid terrace]

Yeah our kill times are the issue. I either delay so I get execute bonus or send it and hope i get another use but don't get it in time

[zealous moth]

Maybe like a shiv + CT on prio adds to kill them faster

[waxen oyster]

well for st at least

[young reef]

the dry shiv darkest night caustic spatter is also decent burst cleave right

i think i saw someone in here say that

[zealous moth]

But you can always use 1 shiv between deathmarks and have 1 up for the next cd

[waxen oyster]

env spatters yes

and dry shiv envs truck

[zealous moth]

Yeah, but requires a bit more setup, asi you need to have darkest night, lingering darkness and put rupture first

If it's on shit like ara / eda first boss adds, they are dead by the time you set that up

Unless the other dps are sleeping

[young reef]

true true

[waxen oyster]

its only niche cases

where it works

[zealous moth]

Yeah

[young reef]

maybe on like hylbrande or something?

if adds arent getting njuked

[zealous moth]

But, you're right, it is technically more damage

[young reef]

especially hardmode

[waxen oyster]

you arent dry shiv’ing

[zealous moth]

Those you can just

[waxen oyster]

in bleed

[zealous moth]

Rupture and cleave

[waxen oyster]

no sc

[young reef]

whats sc

[zealous moth]

Supercharger

[waxen oyster]

supercharger

[young reef]

o

[waxen oyster]

the next 2 envenoms are big boom

[zealous moth]

The talent that gives +2 cp to finisher after shiv

[young reef]

yea i know the talents lol just not the abbreviation

[zealous moth]

Without that, dry shiv is kinda meh

[waxen oyster]

Yeah bleed without it

just kinda slams non dm envs

[young reef]

ok but there we're talking about single target yeah

in aoe random shiv is big

[waxen oyster]

when you can fit more damage

also dont shiv on dn

wasting the mark consumption

[zealous moth]

It's not that big in st as that's the weakest part

You can do it, but you won't lose 1M dps for not doing it

[waxen oyster]

in brief add spawn it can be ok

[balmy condor]

You are

Tier set

[waxen oyster]

i thought dryshiv as a term

[young reef]

i feel like theres so much to keep track of with conditions with different builds this tier lol

[waxen oyster]

only counted for ones roided by sc too

[winged sun]

can i be a tier set too

[zealous moth]

Not really

[winged sun]

[young reef]

on bleed build aoe do we like having shiv consume deathstalkers mark?

[zealous moth]

It means just shiving without any major cooldowns going on

[balmy condor]

96% dn and 48% lingering makes up for that

[waxen oyster]

the tier bonus effects the env bonus of dn right

[zealous moth]

Yes

Every damage aspect of the hero tree if im not wrong

[balmy condor]

What tier set would you like to be

[zealous moth]

NP

[balmy condor]

I mean, rather it consume a mark than not

[young reef]

i think someone yesterday here said you can shiv on 1 stack deathstalkers mark during lingering darkness so you buff the next max combo point envenom

[waxen oyster]

np set was boring as balls

[zealous moth]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

You’re just describing a dry shiv, yes

[waxen oyster]

wait can you fit 2 dry shivs in lingering with tier

[unborn rain]

is using wound poison on the hoa miniboss a legit strat

[zealous moth]

I mean you can technically shiv at 3 stacks, consume the other 2 marks

[unborn rain]

instead of lust and blasting it

[zealous moth]

You probly have the time with the 10s shiv

[balmy condor]

Not usually no

In aoe it can

But it’s hard

[zealous moth]

Yeah

You need a big pull that doesnt die quick for that

[young reef]

occasionally i guess your dm runs out and shiv is sitll running and you can get lucky

[zealous moth]

Having momentum not bugged would help too

[balmy condor]

Well you literally always get 1 darkest night in your shiv I’m pretty sure

[zealous moth]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

So it’s kinda whatever

[zealous moth]

Unless you have no energy and no tea with that shiv

You always get one

[balmy condor]

2 is really hard and 1 is basically guaranteed

So your shivs kinda don’t matter

But obviously pressing them during cooldowns is good

Cause buffing damage in cooldowns is better than buffing damage out of cooldowns

Hard hitting theorycrafting from whispyr this morning

[young reef]

i was under the impression that just using it for arterial precision aoe is pretty nice

[zealous moth]

Hell yeah

[balmy condor]

Correct

[zealous moth]

Ass masterclass

[balmy condor]

In aoe you shiv for arterial

[lunar pond]

Do both? I guess key level comes into play as well. I’ve taken the WP talent when there isn’t a war in group

[young reef]

ty all

[zealous moth]

What poison would you take off for wound poison?

[unborn rain]

deadly

[zealous moth]

Oh wait with bleed you only take 2

[unborn rain]

ye

[young reef]

im used to sub so theres like 2 conditions to consider xdd

[zealous moth]

So, with dtb, is it still deadly?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[wise pike]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[unborn rain]

not using dtb in m+ spec tho

[zealous moth]

You can for higher end keys supposedly

Last i checked archon hybrid was the most used for like +21s

[unborn rain]

lol i was doing 12s

[zealous moth]

Yeah same

[unborn rain]

is it worth? what do u drop?

[zealous moth]

I just like to test the builds myself and swap them around depending on the team

[unborn rain]

i gotchu

[zealous moth]

Not really, depends on the dungeon

[lunar pond]

Depending on your group skill and ilvl a 12 should be an easy blast without a mortal strike effect with lust, provided you all have CDs up as well

[zealous moth]

Like, in dawn it could be good bc it's basically kill 3 elites 3 bosses and a bunch of trash

But on dungeons with more adds just go bleed

[unborn rain]

miniboss took like 2-3 mins

my st dmg on last boss was painful as well god this dungeon is so fucking cooked

[zealous moth]

I remember getting flamed last season for doing 1.7m on mechagon last boss with bleed build

What did that tank want from me

[unborn rain]

i didnt get flamed but it didnt matter

[waxen oyster]

to do 2m

[unborn rain]

second i saw details it was jover

[royal lantern]

your number

[waxen oyster]

[lunar pond]

There are two “free” points that go into like the pot/heal/etc., reduced energy on stun, shroud, stealth speed….that you can swap over to the far left side

Idr the names I’m stupid

[waxen oyster]

stealth speed is bis

[unborn rain]

yeah

[zealous moth]

Zoomy rogue

I like going fast when crouching

Thank god they changed it from early expansions

50% speed was painful

[waxen oyster]

sub gets an extra util point

[zealous moth]

Just rpwalk around the world

[waxen oyster]

since shiv isnt mandatory

[lunar pond]

Yeah I mean wound could help but if it was like 2 heals and the second heal was just before its death

[waxen oyster]

also because instant poison is a complete nothingburger

to drop for wound

[lunar pond]

2-3 minutes is brutal though lol

[waxen oyster]

in situations

[unborn rain]

i swapped to wound at like 40% ho

hp

[zealous moth]

The omega cheese

Swapping poisons mid combat

[unborn rain]

yeah idk if ppl were saving cds for last boss

loll

the hunter kept typing

[lunar pond]

Def don’t do that

[zealous moth]

You think blizzard will ever give us a menu for poisons?

[unborn rain]

telling me wound wound wound

[zealous moth]

Just choose them, boom, they are applied

[lunar pond]

That mini is a cockblock

[zealous moth]

Instead of having to 4x cast every hour?

[waxen oyster]

why did hunter

not have an ms pet

[unborn rain]

hoa being last key for 12 resi is cursed

[subtle tundra]

i can find you a boost

[waxen oyster]

why do barely any hunters

keep ms pet handy

[subtle tundra]

whats MS pet

[lunar pond]

Wound should just become a secondary/NL poison at this point

[unborn rain]

nah i cant

[subtle tundra]

oh mortal striken

pet

[unborn rain]

this dg is my white whale

[flint escarp]

man i regrettaking lily of the eternal weave in vault when the trinket im pairing it up with is netherprism...didn't think about double use trinket CD

[subtle tundra]

this dih is the white whale 🍆

you can block me

[runic hinge]

I can’t

[livid dagger]

I got myth lily , and was curious what I’d do if I got Araz trinket in vault or something

Maybe just bind lily to something else and use outside of deathmark

[subtle tundra]

why? this dih not letting you?

[royal mauve]

Sweet that's what I figured. Thank you!

[runic hinge]

That’s exactly it

[hidden crown]

any good?

[waxen oyster]

for sub/outlaw

[flint escarp]

yeah I'm thinking about doing something like that, might be like a slight damage boost. My backup is so'leahs technique it might just be better overall

[hidden crown]

well thats most unfortunate

I still have house of cards, was desperate for a replacement

[waxen oyster]

farm a lily

[hidden crown]

I will once my IO gets higher

for Echo

[waxen oyster]

ig theres also the 2min delve trinket

for non fatebound builds

[hidden crown]

simming

me asking questions while in a raid

[humble verge]

im so bad

jesus

my cds were so bad

also lost out on a lot of damage cause i went wound on miniboss xd

[wise pike]

guys in Raid ST boss, how do you manage energy ?

[red schooner]

you don't

[humble verge]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[humble verge]

@winged sun

but jesus my damage was so bad

no CDs really lined up well

[winged sun]

nice dude

gz gz

[humble verge]

now ill just go hang myself

[unborn rain]

gz

[humble verge]

since i wont get into 17 keys

honestly

[winged sun]

idk i haven't been eager about keys this season much

fml dude

i just might play osrs idk

[humble verge]

maybe im just using my CDs wrong

[winged sun]

fml man

[humble verge]

arent you raiding tho

[winged sun]

ye

[humble verge]

just make em funnel gear to you

[winged sun]

raiding is just 2 days for me so

[humble verge]

make it easier

Kap

oh

[winged sun]

nah its not about gear

its just m+ feels wack

idk

[humble verge]

yeah but im making it about gear

[winged sun]

i dont enjoy rogue

[fickle quiver]

Usually when my parses with assa are low, my envenom hits are very low on average compared to top parses. What could the reason be?

[winged sun]

its just dogshit atm

[humble verge]

maybe its time for a dh arc for me

or just go fdk

[dim slate]

My god I just did an 11 prio with 2 rets and finished at 4.9m overall. Chat am I cooked? I literally felt like couldn’t do anything the entire time

[humble verge]

show your details if u can

[west crown]

4.9 is cooked

[ashen fog]

its a funnel class with 2 cleaving class. most likely thrash was dying too fast and our single isnt all that great.

in a normal comp on PSF, whats your overall like usually^

[west crown]

Funnel class aside. Should just be doing 2 garrote 2 ruptures into shiv envenom/cds if the pulls don’t last long

[brittle siren]

do you guys use sharpening stones or mana oil for m+?

[waxen oyster]

overall is mostly just gonna be exploding the packs

especially in priory on 11

[thorn thorn]

Play Feral

[runic hinge]

I’m trying!

[hidden crown]

Sooooo

[lunar pond]

My second best key is a triple rogue ED key, one of each spec, with no BR. I used cables 4 times. Sitting here in queue looking at my key history

[hidden crown]

\

[lunar pond]

random comment

[hidden crown]

people are asking me to sell it

[waxen oyster]

Well its likely your best trinket

if you dont raid mythic

[drifting cedar]

guys does the dmg to plexus shield count in details/logs?

[hidden crown]

otherwise Heroic and M+?

not that good?

[waxen oyster]

well if you dont raid your best trinket is myth track lily from vault

or heroic araz if you only key

[hidden crown]

I simmed

it looks meh

[severe meadow]

I mean yeah it’s going to shit on HoC

Mf said meh

[round harbor]

Just keep it unless u need the gold

[severe meadow]

xd

[hidden crown]

A different rogue is going to trade me Araz trinket

[open jolt]

what is the best way to get into a guild

[copper hazel]

#recruitment

[unborn rain]

cry and beg for a spot

[open jolt]

yeah most of those are doing heroic/mythic I need a guild that will let me join while just getting back into raiding on retail

[round harbor]

Send them feet pics

[copper hazel]

guilds of wow or something maybe i guess

[round harbor]

(if female)

If male, lie and send them fake ones

[open jolt]

can I pretend to be a girl

will that work

[severe meadow]

How pretty are your feet

[round harbor]

👍

[severe meadow]

[open jolt]

not pretty

[severe meadow]

Not looking great

[open jolt]

I was in the military

[severe meadow]

But some people like ugly feet

[open jolt]

boots made my feet horrid

[thorn thorn]

They want them lambofeeties

[slim pebble]

Only girls play healer so just heal

[open jolt]

ew

I hate healing

[main bridge]

Stop the cringe plz

[hidden crown]

I got it 🙂

[slim pebble]

Hey man you said you had ugly feet just trying to help out

[unreal tide]

unlucky

[open jolt]

[hidden crown]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-exe-gif-12890623297943149339

[severe meadow]

“Unlucky”

[unreal tide]

traded ur prism for forge... def unlucky

[hidden crown]

I dont do mythic raiding

[severe meadow]

True and real

[hidden crown]

I only m+

[waxen oyster]

Neither is bis then

because not mythic

[hidden crown]

lmao

[waxen oyster]

I’d prob just play dk if i keyed

looks chill just afk

doing nothing

ignoring every mechanic ever

[hidden crown]

Yea especially in AraKara

I didnt know how stressful the 3rd boss was without Horseman

[waxen oyster]

that guy is fine

you just take close puddle asap

[hidden crown]

Tank moves boss to 3 puddles

no puddle for you

cloak on CD

https://tenor.com/view/funny-dog-face-gif-15852588031924953792

[normal mist]

Joined a 10 eco

ret + elemental and i think to myself "this will be great, both should fuck things up and pump dps!!!"

[waxen oyster]

thats just a bad tank

[thorn thorn]

[hidden crown]

I had a few

[waxen oyster]

your first mistake was playing with a ret

[red schooner]

every elesham I've done a key with this season

They do no damage

I swear

[humble thunder]

!sim

[hidden crown]

Wait remind me again why people hate Ret Pally again?

[thorn thorn]

Pressing ascendance is hard

[normal mist]

there were pulls i was doing 10-15 and he was doing 1.5 - 3k

[thorn thorn]

Im surprised you timed the key at all with you doing 10-15 dps and the ele doing 1.5-3k dps

[waxen oyster]

Oh no royal

you got grouped

with a guy playing male zanda ret

and expected him to do damage

[normal mist]

LOOOOOL

[thorn thorn]

Oh

Unlucky

You chose wrong

[normal mist]

yeah my bad

xD

[waxen oyster]

Only good rets i’ve seen

typically play fem dwarf or human

in t3

[hidden crown]

Mostly Human

[normal mist]

Oh

theres something funny

[thorn thorn]

Also

[normal mist]

i wanna show you guys

[thorn thorn]

Your mistake was inviting an ele shaman

[normal mist]

GG cloak

it was not my key

[thorn thorn]

That shit is not Osha approved

Do not invite shamans

[waxen oyster]

Whats worse

a shaman

[thorn thorn]

Shoulda left party when an ele was invited tbh

[waxen oyster]

or an evoker

[thorn thorn]

The correct answer is mage

[normal mist]

OH we timed the key btw

[waxen oyster]

thats a given

mage is a banned class

[thorn thorn]

Evoker and Shaman are tied

[scarlet orbit]

Enh sham > dev evo > ele shami > aug

[thorn thorn]

If its pres you check talents

If its dev expect they are shit

If its aug its a leave party angle

[waxen oyster]

idk most enh i run into

past s1

are real humans

the animals left after nerubar

[scarlet orbit]

enh are pretty good yes did not had a bad one this season

[thorn thorn]

Thats how it is with any fotm spec

The animals are playing dev rn too

and fdk

Animals are always playing mage so nothing has changed there

[waxen oyster]

i play sub

just to tricks fotm devs

[waxen oyster]

before secret lands

[thorn thorn]

Wymrest Temple is greatful for your service

[waxen oyster]

an old mw buddy friend of mine once said

[scarlet orbit]

should they got still nearly no aggro from you because of dance or did they remove the aggro modifier?

[waxen oyster]

”i find it weird how every other mw i know is either a girl or gay”

”not sure if this is foreshadowing”

[hidden crown]

read mw and mawwalker

https://tenor.com/view/sir-pelo-scared-horrified-gif-8670593323793669205

[waxen oyster]

Pull up with your veilstrider title

[thorn thorn]

I pull up with my insane title

[wind spire]

is there an easy way to track if Garrote is on every target or can i just track on the nameplates with plater or something else?

[waxen oyster]

Whitelist poisons on nameplates

ermm

exclude

[wind spire]

do u mean blacklist? 😄

[waxen oyster]

Yeah

they’re not important to see

[wind spire]

okay but there is no weakaura or something that says "all targets have garrote"? 😄

[waxen oyster]

How would it track that

[thorn thorn]

Feasible, but not efficient in the least

Just tracking the dot on a plater would be both easier and less taxing

[weary spear]

Not much to gain there just try to estimate it

If you have 10 garrotes out instead of 12 and you start using fan of knives envenom I don’t think it’s noticeable

[wind spire]

10 or 12 definitely matters less but honestly i havnt know it before so it will change my whole m+ expierence xD

[hidden crown]

@waxen oyster just wanna say you were really helpful with advice c:

so imma ask another

how do I set up raidbots to AoE?

[waxen oyster]

you can do dslice

[wind spire]

if u scroll to the end of Top Gear u can choose dungeon slice for example

[hidden crown]

you both were really helpful ❤️

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/378939804836036623/721773278800117810/pugPls.gif

[wind spire]

i know to sim but obviously not how to play assa ^^'

[hidden crown]

At least youre not playing Arms

God Lord was fun but AoE makes 0 sense

[thorn thorn]

@fallow canopy

[humble verge]

so i guess im waiting until sunday then

i accidentally did it cause i helped a friend with some keys

[warm vortex]

Nut's how there is still no assa hotfix

[hexed pumice]

the BiS gear on wowhead guide says we should wear 5 pieces of tier set, but is it actually optimal if the chest piece has not the best stats?
should we aim to replace it with a crit mastery chest perhaps?

[rain coral]

hey guys what kind of macro you typically use for shadowmeld?

[warm vortex]

Sim

Stats and bis lists don't matter

[pliant remnant]

See, what you do is you sim, and if you have a better chest piece to replace with all the best current gear pieces you possess, then you replace it.

[vapid terrace]

whats sunday?

[hexed pumice]

ye, im talking about an ideal go to long term, not a right now solution

[humble verge]

funday

[warm vortex]

Thats,
Simming does that

[main bridge]

bro will do anything except click run sim

[pliant remnant]

I mean, you make that decision once you get two Myth track chests, I guess

[hexed pumice]

i ran the sims already bruh xD

[warm vortex]

And what do they say

[fallow canopy]

[pliant remnant]

I'm using like 3 different chests across gear sets

[rain coral]

hey guys what kind of macro you typically use for shadowmeld?

[pliant remnant]

Long-term, the tier chest is BIS, as per the BIS list, innit

like I dunno what the actual question is

you think they simmed it incorrectly 'cause it's not crit/mastery?

[main bridge]

if you're thinking about BiS lists at all you are already lost

[hexed pumice]

i think, that it could have been made as a general rule and thats why it has 5 tier set pieces

[tropic tulip]

🫦

[main bridge]

the concept of a BiS list is made with the idea that you have all of that gear. the point of a sim is to tell you what's best for your gear

[hexed pumice]

so it's easier and a starting point for newb

[rain coral]

hey guys what kind of macro you typically use for shadowmeld?

[warm vortex]

Bro

We see your messages

[ancient rain]

deathless winnings

[main bridge]

maybe if they send it one more time someone will answer

[warm vortex]

Shadowmeld is incredibly buggy and a lot of people don't use it
But im sure there is a macro on wowhead or something

[rain coral]

i have one and its works kind of

[thorn thorn]

hey guys what kind of macro you typically use for shadowmeld?

[rain coral]

so wanted to compare

[thorn thorn]

Personally I have a macro that uses Shadowmeld

[balmy condor]

even worse than that, the concept of a BiS list implies that you cannot reach a given stat distribution in any other way (because apparently 9 gem slots, a reshii wrap, 2 ring enchants, and 2 weapon enchants aren't stats)

[thorn thorn]

Very useful macro

[balmy condor]

hey guys what kind of macro you typically use for shadowmeld?

[thorn thorn]

hey guys what kind of macro you typically use for shadowmeld?

[hidden crown]

Hey guys kind of macro you typically use for repeating the same sentence?

[balmy condor]

hey guys what kind of macro you typically use for shadowmeld?

[warm vortex]

Tbh i don't even play assassination anymore really

I just come here to chat

[thorn thorn]

[hidden crown]

Ass rogues are fun

[balmy condor]

big fan of ctrl c and ctrl v

[warm vortex]

Survival is cool

Bomb go boom

Spear go slash

hog gets cranked

[thorn thorn]

BM cooler

[hidden crown]

#showtooltip Keyboard
/cast Control C
/cast Control V

[warm vortex]

But for the shadomeld

[tropic tulip]

Why boss are 2mn longer with my spec

[warm vortex]

Can't you like

just macro it and then have stealth right after

[thorn thorn]

What

[runic hinge]

There’s a search function I’m sure someone (me) has posted one in the past

[balmy condor]

you have to showtooltip Keyboard? bro what a loser, can't even cast spells without looking at his action bar

[balmy condor]

hey tony what kind of macro you typically use for shadowmeld?

[runic hinge]

Some weird cast sequence one @light jacinth taught me

[thorn thorn]

hey Whispyr what kind of macro you typically use for shadowmeld?

[balmy condor]

I got 5 bucks that this is another "bleed ST bad boss damage in m+ wahhhhhh"

[runic hinge]

I’m at work so idk it

[warm vortex]

Whispyr if you had to chose, would you rather give head to 8 friends of your chosing or give head to 1 random person on earth

You have to make eye contact with said reciver and it has to last over 5 minutes

[thorn thorn]

Im not prepared to bet cuz I would be walking into owing 5 bucks

[balmy condor]

bro you had me at head to 8 friends

[tropic tulip]

U won

[warm vortex]

You can chose both

If you really want

[balmy condor]

holy shit that's taco bell for today

we eatin good

[main bridge]

[warm vortex]

Btw

bugs fixed?

Whisp?

The only way to know is to ask

there is no other way

not at all

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/katseye-judging-you-katseye-judging-katseye-staring-katseye-stare-katseye-gif-9531975394477924012

[hidden crown]

Whispyr Netherprism or Araz trinket?
'

[balmy condor]

in

what

context

[tropic tulip]

Idk if im waiting more for the pin or the blue post

[warm vortex]

Gear

[hidden crown]

m+

[warm vortex]

Like the stuff you put on your character

[hidden crown]

or heroic

[warm vortex]

to get stronger

You have 2 trinket slots and im curious if putting araz or nether is good

[balmy condor]

just wear prism man idk

[normal mist]

i simmed my character to become stronger and now i use a mastery enchant on my weapon

[warm vortex]

Whispyr, on my survival hunter whats better, ritual forge or stone idol

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-over-it's-genuinely-over-trout-trout-dying-trout-it's-over-gif-4267717049801794134

[warm vortex]

Powerful energy

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/luce-throwing-stone-luce-throwing-stones-throwing-rocks-throwing-rock-gif-8289221401342069099

[warm vortex]

Avarage SV hunter gameplay

[midnight atlas]

what miss chance do you put for antena when simming?

[warm vortex]

100%

[balmy condor]

15ish

[warm vortex]

Lies

[balmy condor]

some fights are far worse in the raid

so like idk

if you wanna super giga awful you can go 25ish

if you're the goat you can go like 5

[warm vortex]

I wish i had antenna tbh

I do on my rogue but not on my hutner :(

[midnight atlas]

its too hard to use on hunter, you have to use movment keys to pick up the orbs

[warm vortex]

I mean it's literally the same as it is on rogue

Im playing survival

[tropic tulip]

And do u blast with ur bombs

[warm vortex]

Gimmie a sec

Maybe

[novel star]

nice

[normal mist]

Thats wild

[balmy condor]

6 billion damage over what

100 years?

[warm vortex]

I mean hey
By then maybe Assa will be fixed

Nah I’m more talking about the %

[midnight atlas]

survival? is it push week?

[tropic tulip]

How do u survive with a spec that has no feint

[warm vortex]

As in 54.6% of a key is bomb

[balmy condor]

I'm banning you back to the shadowrealm vend (trueshot lodge)

[warm vortex]

Ok

[midnight atlas]

they just survive, its in the spec name

perma 100% hidden feint with elusiveness

[warm vortex]

I just press my few defs and say my prayers

Ok uhh Assa talk insread

I like spreading my bleeds
I like even spam

There no hunter talk

[warm vortex]

I’ve been trying lately tbh

Got 3 14s done this morning

[spice vale]

Since DM/Vanish CD is bugged are we holding Vanish or just sending it when it’s up?

[balmy condor]

okay but MY SINGLE TARGET???????????????????????????

[tropic tulip]

Seems like u take ur fun, ill try to be à survivor too

[warm vortex]

Hey guys why is my ST so low

[balmy condor]

vanish cd is bugged?

[warm vortex]

I saw zeros play this build

Is it meta

[main bridge]

guys my ST is below tank it's because of the bugs right?????

[midnight atlas]

i hope they fix singular focus interact with caustic because those liutenants in priory live forever

[warm vortex]

I mean
If you watch casauladdict

[balmy condor]

if your tier set bugs you can just hold for cold blood and everything lines back up

but vanish cd being bugged

is ludicrous

idk how that even works

[warm vortex]

Maybe he is just really bad at staying hidden

[main bridge]

i don't and i can't even understand that guy

[spice vale]

Ok

[normal mist]

ban him

[red schooner]

Until your tier set bugs where your 4 set doesn't proc at which point you feign a DC

[balmy condor]

true

[midnight atlas]

maybe he didnt read 4set for fatebound and wonders why is my vanish so long cd

[warm vortex]

That’s why your ST damage low

I mean, I know whip says to run x build

But casual ran this-

[balmy condor]

god I hope so, oddly enough vanish is like the only thing that ISNT bugged these days

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/connection-issue-world-of-warcraft-wow-orc-im-having-a-connection-issue-gif-4862866886490737694

[spice spire]

Hey

[balmy condor]

my favorite is casual dm'ing me questions and then 5 min later getting a ping from somone "hey whispyr, casual did X thing, so guide is wrong?"

and I'm like

[warm vortex]

Haha

[midnight atlas]

so casual took zerocool's spot this season ?

[balmy condor]

no

zerocool is still zerocool's spot

casual has always been casual

[warm vortex]

Btw @balmy condor
Should i drop quick shot for 1 point in explosive's expert

I've done some sims and som are saying to do it, but sometimes it says not to

[balmy condor]

yeah that sounds reasonable

[warm vortex]

Aight cheers

[balmy condor]

but let me ask my explosive's expert guy

[midnight atlas]

you should check what casual plays

[warm vortex]

Fuck you weasel

i was about to make that joke

god damn it

XD

[midnight atlas]

[red schooner]

Maybe if you had quick shot you'd have got to the punchline first

[balmy condor]

gotta call my buddy who's an expert in these quick shot things

[midnight atlas]

i didnt know survival has acro

[balmy condor]

@signal ridge hey, should I drop quick shot for 1 point in explosive's expert

[signal ridge]

that point is whatever

[balmy condor]

thanks king

[signal ridge]

wait wtf this is the rogue server

[warm vortex]

Yea

Cheers tho

[red schooner]

[balmy condor]

survival hunter is just a rogue with a really long dagger

[midnight atlas]

i joined a few other class servers but this one is a vibe

[signal ridge]

mut is just sv with a really small spear

[red schooner]

Welcome. You're one of us now

[signal ridge]

[warm vortex]

"sweeping spear" ac sounds like it could be a version of accro

[balmy condor]

my gf says it's the biggest.....

[signal ridge]

we used to have extendo range too until blizz decided to punish all melee

[balmy condor]

on god, survival should be the only melee with extended range

they have fucking spears

????

[midnight atlas]

they will give us negative range so we can only attack when not facing the mobs

[signal ridge]

my rogue is actualy outlul

[balmy condor]

this is not a controversial take

[warm vortex]

Idk, this looks dagger sized

[warm vortex]

Wait what the fuck

I said this as a joke

but one point in EE is simming higher than QS

???

[signal ridge]

yeah im saying that point is actually whatever

if you have the important nodes u can spend your points wherever u want

[midnight atlas]

i like your funny words magic man

[warm vortex]

I might tinker some more acc in that case

[signal ridge]

u guys lke pressing mutiliate?

[balmy condor]

yes

[signal ridge]

me too

[midnight atlas]

when it crits yeah

[warm vortex]

It actually does quite a bit now iirc

[red schooner]

Ye, it let's me spatter

[signal ridge]

i like the animation

[red schooner]

Good button

[midnight atlas]

sometimes i press mutilate when target count is higher than 3 because i like it

[warm vortex]

Enven female pandaren animation my beloved

[signal ridge]

doesnt everyone have the same mutilate anim

[warm vortex]

but if we talking melee anims
I think death strike / mongoose bite 5 looks slick

[midnight atlas]

its the same since tbc

[warm vortex]

Remind me, what ones are the nodes you can freely remove

[signal ridge]

pretty much that point as long as you have your cd and bomb abilities

are we the only specs with poisons

[warm vortex]

Survival should get poisons

Bring back wildfire infusion imo
(I know it's literally just more bomb damage but its cool)

[signal ridge]

we have poisons :3

[thorn thorn]

Doolb appearance 👀

[warm vortex]

True

vipers venoms

[midnight atlas]

does survival have pet?

[radiant dagger]

yoyo, recently picking up assa, do i have any breakpoints id ideally hit statwise? and any other potential tips that i should maybe look out for? 😄

[midnight atlas]

no breakpoints for stats, just sim your gear on raidbots

[radiant dagger]

aight thnx

[warm vortex]

Bro

That's literally lik

half of the class fantasy

[hidden crown]

Yea

Remember Rexxar?

[warm vortex]

Also fiddled a bit and it seems vipers + outland sims higher than vipers + contagious for m+

[signal ridge]

yeah thats another whatever point since literally all you do in m+ is slam wfb

sentinel m+ my beloved

[warm vortex]

You more of a sent guy or PL guy

Ik you just said beloved

but idk

Maybe hog cranking is more fun for ya

[signal ridge]

yeah i played pl all last season and sentinel is way comfier to play, dont need to worry about stampede hitting, and has a real defensive

in m+ atleast

[warm vortex]

Fair, i like both tbh, playing them and sorta swapping between

Oh yea don't look back feels insan

Wait just found new build

[signal ridge]

yes you should play the spec

[warm vortex]

Dropping vipers. contagious and alpha pred for sic 'em. cull and born to kill is simming better

Like what

XD

[signal ridge]

that doesnt sound right kill shot sucks!

[warm vortex]

I think i did it right? I havel ike a million sims up atm so this probably isn't right

[thorn thorn]

My lad new to the game was gonna play survival but he got convinced to play rogue instead

45m sim

[warm vortex]

MDT sim is the standard for M+ hunter stuff

[midnight atlas]

might give it a try, read the talents and some spells on wowhead.
i havent seen one since shadowlands s3 when they had giga broken tierset

[balmy condor]

hate that a lot

[spice spire]

MDT simming is Insane

[thorn thorn]

To my knowledge trueshot does tell people specifically not to use dslice for hunter specs

[balmy condor]

I mean there's more insane things to do

[spice spire]

As a baseline?

[signal ridge]

it's very fun to play

[balmy condor]

but saying dungeonslice sucks and then going to MDT instaed

is pretty stupid

[warm vortex]

100% agree with this

[thorn thorn]

Fairly certain

[warm vortex]

First time im doing mythic prog this early in the season and im playing SV

shit is super ufn

never pushed this high keystone wise either this eraly

and loving it

[thorn thorn]

Like using PTR sims as gospel

[spice spire]

Not again

[midnight atlas]

if i make a surv hunter im not even gonna sim

[thorn thorn]

Just dont sim in general

Feelycraft gear and be free

[pliant remnant]

Just get as much vers as possible

[tawdry halo]

Just follow your favourite streamer

[pliant remnant]

More damage and less damage taken?

Poggers

[tawdry halo]

Ask for their stat weights

Gg

Aim for that

[thorn thorn]

[tawdry halo]

Always good in Every situation

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/made-up-making-things-up-misinformation-spreading-misinformation-lying-gif-5615616319157116451

[thorn thorn]

[pliant remnant]

[open jolt]

how do I do the timewalk firelands raid?? Do I timewalk to cata and then LFR??

or look for a premade group

[midnight atlas]

look for a premade in raids legacy, either full run or skip

take the quest from capital city, the leader will queue

[open jolt]

ty goat

[turbid raft]

sorry, im sorting through search, can someone help a new rogue real quick... do we stack council's guile or put Radiant power on one?

[midnight atlas]

sim both enchants, i run council's guile but its not that big of a difference

[turbid raft]

derp, just sim em. thanks.

[midnight atlas]

i got around 55% crit with council's guile and some antena procs its insane how smooth it is in m+

[balmy condor]

you just never use radiant power for what it's worth, just sim the secondary stat ones

depending on your gear it'll either double up on crit, but it could easily just be like 1x mast 1x vers or some shit

happens

[turbid raft]

Woa, i found and am using your plater and WAs... you came highly recommended.

[normal mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fvyAqoewiFUT4cckiGWcei

1 mastery 1 crit right here

[wind spire]

would u recommend craft a offhand if i have just a hero track offhand or should i craft neck/ring instead? dont know how strong the offhand is

[normal mist]

no

never offhand

[balmy condor]

I'm either highly recommended or highly hated, depends what side of the "I do no damage without restealth" fence you're on

reddit tore me to shreds over that a while back

[turbid raft]

sorry, not 12, i stay off reddit 😉

[balmy condor]

I would recommend crafting anything other than an offhand

literally anything else

[midnight atlas]

craft a cloak

[real pike]

You'd be surprised how many tanks pull the next pack with one 5% mob remaining at the level that the average redditor plays at

[wind spire]

funny ^^

[pliant remnant]

Neck/ring are also poggers

'cause big secondaries

[balmy condor]

okay well not a cloak

but literally any other slot

[midnight atlas]

i started crafting sub embelishments tbh. its fun but i dont have gear for it

[balmy condor]

every time a rogue crafts a second dagger, someone's pet gets run over on a busy intersection

[wind spire]

is the offhand so bad?

[normal mist]

yes

[pliant remnant]

This still happens in at least 15s

And you get responses like "play sub"

[balmy condor]

worst item slot in the game across every class and spec

[pliant remnant]

At least I heard that happened to a friend...

[midnight atlas]

its useless, its like 0.5% dps over a hero dagger and you waste a spark

[wind spire]

okay 🙂 thx

[midnight atlas]

and im generous with the 0.5%, thats just some feelcrafting

[turbid raft]

thats really good information

[real pike]

Lol it happens in my guild groups to troll me on purpose

[turbid raft]

lol, wtf, sims want me to stack verse

[balmy condor]

happens sometimes yeh

[humble verge]

is rio down

[normal mist]

not unusual

[humble verge]

just wont let me access

[balmy condor]

especially if you have like literally 0 vers

[normal mist]

i have a champ versa-mastery ring my sims NEVER replace

[pliant remnant]

nah, they just banned you

[pulsar coral]

are there any target dummy toys i can drop on a single target boss in m+ to bleed up

[orchid spear]

any gamer online here?

[pliant remnant]

No

[balmy condor]

no gamers here

only women

[midnight atlas]

i got 2 rings with haste crit and haste mastery, but both have speed im so glad sims find them the best i got like 16% speed

[pliant remnant]

bro...

[balmy condor]

this is a discord full of 5'4 latinas

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/pingu-pinguin-bomb-explosion-funny-gif-16410861993726820259

[normal mist]

im a latina

[warm vortex]

Minus me

[normal mist]

you are

[balmy condor]

royal is a latina

[warm vortex]

I'm a 7'5 rat

Shut

[midnight atlas]

ola papi

[balmy condor]

can confirm

[orchid spear]

what am i craft as 3rd piece? any knowers?

[normal mist]

im a latina knower

and i say SIM yourself

[pliant remnant]

Sim, but probably jewelry

[balmy condor]

probably a neck or a ring or an off-piece tier slot or absolutely nothing

sims didn't want me crafting something this week

[covert elbow]

I apologize to anyone who recently lost their pet. I just swapped to rogue this season and had zero idea it was that bad to craft a 2nd dagger. So, I've got 2 stabbers. Next saladbar dagger that drops should be mine, but we'll see how that rolls out.

That said, out of curiosity, why is it so bad to craft a second one? Or is it just bad because it uses up the spark that could be better served elsewhere?

[pliant remnant]

God, look at that sexy Logic Gate: Alpha

[real pike]

I got told to craft something today cause I've only done the dagger so far, plan was to wait until I was missing the same number of mythic pieces as sparks I had and finish the collection all in one go

[orchid spear]

Mine?

[coral ibex]

offhand is a low priority stat stick

[real pike]

But I'm second lowest ilvl in the guild and we're failing dps checks so

[pliant remnant]

No, not yours

[orchid spear]

Ahhh, got it myth this evening, thought you were checking my char

[normal mist]

what a hacker he would be

[humble verge]

im just sittting with one in my vault

[pliant remnant]

[humble verge]

jesus

whats whisp writing now

[pliant remnant]

ASSA BUGS HOTFIXED???????????????????????????????????????????????????

[coral ibex]

"hey guys what if my ass was like soooooooooooo huge"

[earnest remnant]

holy cope

[runic hinge]

Something about latinas I bet

[balmy condor]

ability damage is calculated with the damage on your mainhand weapon, your offhand doesn't impact it. Which would still be okay in theory if daggers as an item type had a decent amount of secondaries or something so you could get like, more stats or whatever.

But if you look at how much stat (including agi) a dagger has, it's even less than an equal item level wrist, and a pathetic 2/3rds of a belt, both of which are considered to be prime real-estate for embellishment slots due to their stat amount. Crafting loses 3 item levels, you want to lose those 3 item levels in the least-impactful slot for your embellishments. That will basically always be a combo of dagger + wrist/belt/boots.

Crafting the first dagger is fine, cause you get the embellishment, the ilvl on your mainhand, and when you get a myth dagger you can just move it over to your offhand. A second dagger is just offhand statstick ripe for replacement

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-the-hedgehog-shadow-sonic-the-hedgehog-latina-funny-gif-12823157149897775890

[pliant remnant]

[runic hinge]

Real

[real pike]

Nuh uh you forgot white hits

Massive dps increase

(in vanilla)

[balmy condor]

I said ability damage

:)

[real pike]

I guess auto attack is technically an ability

[humble verge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/462658384295100427/1408530850265694278/chobotchu_-_1958653731836162201.gif

[real pike]

You got me this time whispyr

[humble verge]

he just said this

to you

[runic hinge]

I’m ripe for replacement

[coral ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1413273499367374919/image0.gif

[real pike]

Combat misser is blasting off agaaaaiiiiiiin

https://tenor.com/view/team-rocket-pokemon-fly-sky-anime-gif-16659565

Ok time for bed

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-alerted-the-cat-cat-has-been-alerted-gif-26351872

[analog owl]

yo, what fiber is good here just the crit one or the mastery?

[pliant remnant]

You can buy all of them anyway

[pliant remnant]

and craft the good ones

so pick whatever

[analog owl]

oh ok

[pliant remnant]

Usually Crit or Mastery though yeh

[hidden crown]

watched Whispyrs video on how buggy some sin abillities are and this one made me laugh

[thorn thorn]

[pliant remnant]

Fatal Intent should be recalled Tickly Intent

[visual sun]

We watch it for the crashout

[hidden crown]

I didnt know we were suppose to do more damage?

[waxen oyster]

dont you have the free runed craft for bracers

[marsh fjord]

Does anyone know if there is like a sim command that i can paste into the sim to see what crafted item would be the best?

[balmy condor]

you can either get a huge copypasta with all the crafted gear from #tc-research

yeah

that one

or

[marsh fjord]

Thank you

[balmy condor]

the better idea imo

[marsh fjord]

or?

[balmy condor]

which is way lazier

[marsh fjord]

Tell me daddy

[balmy condor]

go to droptimizer, tick that box at the bottom for new tab

[little current]

hi nooj

[marsh fjord]

Ah oke will try that also. thanks!

[balmy condor]

and then you can just

hit all the stats

open like 8 sims

make a sandwich, come back

and then just sort through it

[marsh fjord]

Yeah i will do that

[little current]

what type though

[marsh fjord]

Thanks whisp

[little current]

that's the real question

[balmy condor]

np

[little current]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[balmy condor]

chicken sandwich

[waxen oyster]

Honestly in reality

[little current]

grilled or fried

[waxen oyster]

Unless you have myth track pants/helm/chest sim will likely tell you to craft one

since biggest stat pieces

[marsh fjord]

I have myth chest already. and on the other pieces are HC tier

so crafting on that is a no go

[waxen oyster]

sim would likely tell you cata chest

and make myth elsewhere

ermm gilded

[balmy condor]

fried

[flint escarp]

probably my best run to date (still got murdered by shammy)

[hazy horizon]

When fix

[hidden crown]

wH3n f1x?!

[pure moth]

Never

[hidden crown]

I wanna deathstalk ST 👹

[thorn thorn]

[balmy condor]

okay well that's not happening even with fixes

[pliant remnant]

at whispyr ARE THE BUGS FIXED YET OR

[balmy condor]

would need to see some insane buffs to deathstalker to make it better in ST

[grave trail]

They wont be fixed till midnight

[flint escarp]

fatebound is so satisfying though

[hidden crown]

Fatebound is so Outlaw coded its disgusting

[flint escarp]

very true

[waxen oyster]

yeah so satisfying

insta losing my tails streak

[turbid lion]

deathstalker is assa coded and trickster is sub coded

[little current]

i wish fatebound was better

[turbid lion]

kinda weird ngl

[little current]

[hidden crown]

Real

Sub rogues are my homies tho

[waxen oyster]

fatebound is a garbage tree

nothing about it interacts with the spec

in a meaningful way

[hidden crown]

I only like that my deathmark comes up faster

[flint escarp]

4 set is so weird

[turbid lion]

just randomly you get cdr twice for some fucking reason

[hidden crown]

they didnt fix that?

[turbid lion]

and i cant replicate that bug if my life depended on it

[waxen oyster]

no

[hidden crown]

Imma abuse this

[turbid lion]

it happend to me today in raid

its just rng double cdr idk how to make that reliably

[hidden crown]

give me a fatebound AoE build rn

[rotund oak]

schnitzel sandwich

[hidden crown]

imma get all +10s

[hidden crown]

Rada

[flint escarp]

fatebound aoe would be a nightmare for all caustic haters

[thorn thorn]

Bleed, swap to FB

[rotund oak]

whats that supposed to mean

[nova kelp]

So assassin wdym

[hidden crown]

Scnitzel

https://tenor.com/view/shnitzel-chowder-puppet-cat-petting-gif-7863138975403627796

[thorn thorn]

The only thing this makes me think of is how my pugs decide to conflip on if they wanna int the key or not

[rotund oak]

so schnitzel sandwish is called rada

cool had no idea

[thorn thorn]

Bro

Are you fr

[hidden crown]

nah he only says Radda

[nova kelp]

Makes perfect sense. Also valid and probably as accurate as most of the other preconceived BS the players come up with tbh lol

[flint escarp]

btw what's the purpose of vanis in assa ST rotation

[waxen oyster]

!dk

[rotund oak]

whatever u do friend

[waxen oyster]

!dj

[prisma monolith]

Vanishing On Fatebound

• you vanish for double jeopardy, a Fatebound talent
• this causes your next flip to flip an additional coin, and this coin can be an edge-case coin
• because of this, you want to vanish when you know the next flip is an edge-case flip
• edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
• you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst

[rotund oak]

dont read the guide

[warm vortex]

Yea instead read mine

My guide is really good

[rotund oak]

party pooper

[balmy condor]

bot commands exist for a reason

all gud

[hidden crown]

It better not be something you'll regret

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-exe-gif-12890623297943149339

[nova kelp]

Oh yo sick. There's a jeopardy command now

I didn't know

[waxen oyster]

asking wow players to read

[thorn thorn]

[rotund oak]

also true

[tawdry halo]

Cursed

[nova kelp]

I take great pride in the fact that I've played since vanilla and have YET to read a single quest to date.

[tawdry halo]

How did you know where to go or what to do in vanilla if you never read quest text?