assassination

[dense cove]

What are the chances they stealth fix some of the bugs today when servers come up? Lol

[bright tartan]

Deathmaker’s stalk

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/awsten-explode-explosion-bomb-fire-gif-6202146838929910592

[balmy condor]

Not 0 I guess

[golden loom]

what if we just bring this back and then you can kidney shot into darkest night a mob that isnt stun immune during cds

[grim jay]

Thats probably one of the worst ideas today

[balmy condor]

What if shiv was also a dispel and an aoe interrupt

[red schooner]

We can get worse

[balmy condor]

So your group would just permanently ask you to do anything other than your rotation

[golden loom]

make shiv apply ironwire?

HOLY

[fallen arch]

Make shiv like blast wave and aoe stun for 5 seconds

Or daze whatever

[balmy condor]

Dragon tempered blades was so Dragonflight, we should have war tempered blades that let me use 3 poisons

[golden loom]

idk I love ironwire just wish it wasnt such a shit talent to take

[grim jay]

What about 4

And we can apply kingsbane to our weapon

[balmy condor]

That’s midnight tempered blades

[golden loom]

azeroth tempered blades

[grim jay]

They should bring slaughter poison or what it was called back with midnight aswell

[golden loom]

has occult poison been a thing outside of sod?

[dawn seal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/z1QjVYarZGATKxWv?fight=14&type=damage-done&source=176 is my damage like that cuz of my ilvl

[balmy condor]

Red deadly poison

[grim jay]

But its also shadow!

They could make it a bleed

A 1h bleed enchant!!

[golden loom]

holy raidbuff

[bright tartan]

And a red runeforge

[grim jay]

And brother wait

They can make poisons toggle-able

So we switch between deadly and slaughter

To keep them both running

[drifting cloud]

Whispyr are we shitposting in bed again

[grim jay]

Just brainstorming the bestest sin ideas

[red schooner]

Poison twisting let's go

[gritty laurel]

https://tenor.com/b1DV5.gif

[knotty forge]

How much crit for fatebound single target, like i dont crit at all xdd

I have 36% with flask for crit

And rarely get ambush thingy

[golden loom]

well blindside is not crit related

also dont use crit flask

and use whatever crit amount the robot tells you

[knotty forge]

What robot

[shy axle]

raidbots

[golden loom]

raidbots sim

[knotty forge]

I know how to Quick sim etc but how to make it tell u hiw much u need x and y stat

[shy axle]

top gear

• enchants ticked

[knotty forge]

Ok got it thx

[red schooner]

Ignore stats, just sim gear

We don't need x or y amount of stats

We just feed data to the robot

[knotty forge]

Blindside thing, why i get it so rarely if its not ces

Crit

[golden loom]

well you dont even have to do gem/enchant stuff, if you have for example multiple rings (like here I have a heavy crit/low haste, a vers/mastery and a low haste heavy mastery ring), you can do simple checks like this @knotty forge

[red schooner]

And the robot tells us which items give us an increase

[golden loom]

for example if it would want me to run the mastery/vers + haste/mastery ring then I am pretty good on crit already

[red schooner]

Its random

Just get lucky idk

[golden loom]

it for sure does not want me to drop the crit ring though

[balmy condor]

[fickle latch]

If you run only M+ do you guys sim Patchwerk or DSlice on Bleed Build ?

[balmy condor]

Dslice

[red schooner]

Crit is a useless stat for this reason. Just crit, you don't need a higher crit chance if you get lucky

[balmy condor]

Wow is a gambling game

[red schooner]

Why increase your odds, just high roll idk what to tell you

[knotty forge]

Can u confirm? Xd like there is no way I was Just unlucky to that extend

[twin plume]

gambling with nerves

[knotty forge]

Damn

[red schooner]

'Ambush and Mutilate have a 15% chance to make your next Ambush free and usable without Stealth. Chance increased to 30% if the target is under 35% health.'

Like, why would crit increase that?

[lunar pond]

The more you crit the lower their health

[knotty forge]

Also on heroic nexus king, should i try to send king+deathmark when they show up before adds?

Hc

[red schooner]

Run fatebound, send CDs on cooldown

It lines up pretty well

[knotty forge]

Ok ill try

[faint quartz]

With your Plater profile, how do I know which target has the mark?

[red schooner]

Obviously, send it on the actual cooldowns and not the bugged ones where it desyncs

[knotty forge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2VgR1JadkQpxh3zr?fight=7&type=damage-done any good soul knows why I have so low dps

I sim for 4.6m patchwerk

[jade abyss]

Matches well with last tier

[red schooner]

Brief scan through it, you desynced your kingsbane and didn't send it with cold blood, your shiv usage looks wrong

[knotty forge]

Ive noticed due to bug

That i have kingbane 30 faster sometimes quicker

And if I postpone deathmark 10 sec I fit 3 kingbanes

Its not optimal?

[red schooner]

And you're delaying cooldowns so you missed a death mark in execute it looks like

Just use kingsbane when coldblood is back, don't desync

[knotty forge]

Because this way I can fit more deathmarks right?

Cuz I dint have to wait for both to line up

Or is there any other reason im not aware

[zenith prairie]

Crafting OH is simming best option for dungeon slice am I just doing something wrong?

[grim jay]

If you get the bug and kb goes off CD quicker than DM, you just delay kb

Kb without DM Hits like a noodle

And not using CB with kb all the time is wasted aswell

The shiv usage he mentioned is somewhat important, your first shiv is way late

Also the killtime is rather bad

As the boss died right before your CDs came up

[grim jay]

Maybe your offhand is lacking hard in ilvl

[red schooner]

Huh, kill timer is showing 4:29 but the cast timer looks like it goes beyond that

There's casts going on beyond the supposed kill time

So no clue what's going on there

[grim jay]

Idk but its only a few seconds anyways

[knotty forge]

Asking Just to confirm because i Look at some top log kills. Kingbane deathmark >kingbane>kingbane deathmark

Not kingsbane deathmark>kingbane deathmark

[red schooner]

But yeah, shivs are as follows;

Shiv, deathmark, kingsbane, normal rotation and then shiv when there's 8 seconds left on deathmark.

For your solo kingsbane, shiv when kingsbane has 8 seconds left.

[knotty forge]

Ok

That helps

[red schooner]

Pretty much.

00:00 - kingsbane deathmark
00:45 - kingsbane
01:30 - kingsbane deathmark
02:15 - kingsbane

Etc etc

[knotty forge]

Okey

Prism with dropamizer shows massive increase if I get it

And I Just use it every 1:30 no matter stacks

Unless AMP fights

Ye?

[red schooner]

Don't let the desync bug trick you, hold that kingsbane until cold blood is up

[knotty forge]

Ok

[red schooner]

Dunno, not had prism drop so I've not looked into the timings

[knotty forge]

I was afraid i can only fit kingbane cuz of bug

[red schooner]

So I can't comment confidently on that

[knotty forge]

U clarified a lot, gonna come back when parses start Look human

[rugged basalt]

Is there a way to for me to run a sim and disable jastor's skill from being considered? I know to replace it when I can and have done so, but I got curious

[golden loom]

I think you can put this into expert settings: override.spell_data=effect.1196163.coefficient=0

[marsh fjord]

You use it every 3 minutes

With your vanish

[fallen arch]

Wait

What's the added value of vanish

In FB st build

[normal mist]

Double Jeopardy

[red schooner]

!dj

[normal mist]

Fatebound talent

[prisma monolith]

Vanishing On Fatebound

• you vanish for double jeopardy, a Fatebound talent
• this causes your next flip to flip an additional coin, and this coin can be an edge-case coin
• because of this, you want to vanish when you know the next flip is an edge-case flip
• edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
• you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst

[normal mist]

Ohhhhhhhhh there's a command!!!!

[red schooner]

Keep up with the latest commands royal, jeez

[normal mist]

Never

[red schooner]

The future is now old man

[normal mist]

And let it be known I have access to them all

I just don't go there to check them

[fallen arch]

Right, thanks

[viscid spear]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[fallen arch]

Just let me fucking play Deathstalker

[warm vortex]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtlety.

[fallen arch]

I hate this Fatebound bs

[warm vortex]

!unity

How am i supposed to know about my double leggo without a command?

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/well-that's-too-damn-bad-holes-too-bad-oh-well-suck-it-up-gif-14703423262202948839

[warm vortex]

Also i feel like imma be stuck doing these 3 for a bit

Getting into groups sucksss

[main bridge]

Fatebound is easier and does good damage. What’s not to like?

[warm vortex]

The bugs

[main bridge]

Stack charisma so you can make friends and stop pugging

[normal mist]

You're the bug

[main bridge]

The most noticeable Fatebound bug is favorable

[warm vortex]

Tbh ive already added a lot of friends this season

[fallen arch]

It's just the dumbest shit ever, the entire hero talent tree is passive

[normal mist]

What's the issue

[fallen arch]

What IS to like I ask you

[main bridge]

I agree it could be more engaging but the results are nice

Better than playing DS and being bottom dps

[normal mist]

You have dm more often, kb more often, coin sounds, amazing ST

[fallen arch]

Coin sounds

Cos we like slot machines?

[normal mist]

Of all that, you picked the meme

[fallen arch]

Yes sir

[warm vortex]

Could be wrose

[normal mist]

Fatebound is simple to play honestly

[warm vortex]

could be bm pack leader

[fallen arch]

Also from an uh rp perspective

Deahtstalker kinda bad ass

FB dumb

[rocky ridge]

!FB mythic plus

[prisma monolith]

Only changes for fatebound are macroing cold blood to kingsbane and vanishing during the cold blood buff during deathmark in order to double flip coins. Otherwise regular rotation, finishers on 5+

Min-maxes currently only include using shiv before deathmark with the Fatebound 2 piece equipped in order to buff the coins. The 4 piece is worth using, and you will want an 1:30 trinket (lily or prism) to buff your deathmark windows accordingly.

[normal mist]

No

No m+ fb

[dim gorge]

any idea why wowhead bis lists haste and versa rings, but stat prio is for mastery and crit? is that intended for full bis set with diminishing returns?

[fallen arch]

Cause all stats be fine

[normal mist]

Yeah

[normal mist]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[normal mist]

Tldr sim your character with what you have on your bags

[dim gorge]

im in veteran/champ gear so im just thinking ahead

[normal mist]

You're not

Because you're checking a bis list

There's no bis list

Wowhead has them because the guide writers are forced to put something there

Sim yourself > bis list

[fallen arch]

SIM STAT WEIGHTS

[midnight atlas]

One gem can change your bis list in this game, so just sim whatever items u got and use them

[rocky ridge]

Stat weights is now a legacy tool on SIMC no?

or should I look elsewhere

[coral ibex]

its a bit

[midnight atlas]

Stat weight simming is a meme, dont listen to him

[coral ibex]

stat weights dont matter

[magic horizon]

Got eem.

[fallen arch]

jk dont sim stat weights

[wild pine]

how good is sin after that 15% nerf

with the CS bug

[red schooner]

It ain't 15℅, it still does good

[wild pine]

how good compared to sub

[analog field]

but what about after the 60% nerf incoming ?

[wild pine]

been trying to get good at sub since that nerf and idk if its a placebo effect but i can definitely see much bigger numbers xD

[spice surge]

You can play whichever spec you prefer, all 3 are good

[analog field]

the difference between them is irrelevant, play the one you play better

[red schooner]

Don't encourage him to play outlaw, wtf

[analog field]

and you will have bigger numbers

[wild pine]

i would never xD too big of a hassle to swap now anw

[wild pine]

ive been a sin main since season 1, but this season it doesnt feel great dps wise compared to other classes (excluding frostdk cz that shit is busted)

and sub is just doing much better on both aoe and ST

so im torn tbh

[analog field]

i am topping the meters in almost all dungeons (i am pugging)

and in the highest level probably assa is a bit better?! but they are both very good so play the one that is better for you

[wild pine]

assa is definitely more consistent i guess

[analog field]

but also if tank pulls adds on bosses you can be competitive even in ST ( in aoe assa is beast)

[wild pine]

ive always accepted the fact that assa sucks in ST xD

and try to rely on my group

[analog field]

i did a streets 13 yesterday where tank pulled adds on everyboss and it was amazing

[wild pine]

mustve been nice

especially with the energy regen you get from your bleeds xD

and yet im out here with tanks who chain pull when theres 1 add left at 3% hp 😭

[wild pine]

do you run kb at those levels by any chance?

or still not worth

[analog field]

nah

[spice surge]

nop

[analog field]

i tried cleave

but i wasn't feeling it

and i am doing more with bleed even with no adds

coz you gain so much in some big pulls than you lose in st

[wild pine]

fair

is there a good bleed tracker weakaura?

i always kinda try to guess how many times i need to garrote/rupture in a big pack

[analog field]

i use whispyr's

and a plater , but mostly going about with the WA

[wild pine]

end up either wasting a lot of time or not spread them enough xD

does anyone else have that issue or am i just bad

[analog field]

just vibe and give like 2-3 rupt 4-5 garr and its enough

[wild pine]

HAHA

fair i guess

[ivory glacier]

what's more important moving your mark on a new pack or spreading bleeds

if I had darkness with some time on it

[coral ibex]

mark

spreading bleeds will consume marks and cycle your next DN faster

[little current]

no way its 15%

[astral oar]

in m+ do i have to stay above 50% energie in singletarget with blood build ?

[coral ibex]

no

its the 2nd lowest priority action

below generating CP

[astral oar]

ok

[spice surge]

Just dont bother

[wild pine]

thats what i heard at least

[coral ibex]

if you have 5+ cp banked, rupture and CT dont need to be refreshed, and you dont have a DN to consume, then yea you can pool for sanguine

but that rarely happens

[spice surge]

Ye you heard wrong

[main bridge]

Do not believe clickbait YouTube videos

[spice lagoon]

what would they do to increase our ST

[main bridge]

Bring adds onto boss and ensure you’re doing the rotation correctly. Logs help with the second part

[static glacier]

buff mut and ambush

only real option

[wild pine]

my bad xD tbh im kinda glad tho

[static glacier]

or melee swings

[wild pine]

as long as it still rivals other classes then im good

[static glacier]

sin is competitive in all content

[coral ibex]

spec is bugged you should reroll to DK

asap

[midnight atlas]

how do you guys deal with mark at 2nd boss in Eco Dome?

[coral ibex]

i have a weakaura that counts down the intermission

and i save my DN

[red schooner]

Is your elesham okay?

[coral ibex]

i can't comment on the public

[spice lagoon]

i might reroll ele shaman lmao

[coral ibex]

hes just some bot from lfg

we needed a 4th and 5th for a vault 10

[spice lagoon]

is vault opened yet?

[coral ibex]

40 minutes

[pliant remnant]

[red schooner]

Just gonna get my button warmed up and ready

[spice lagoon]

ok bet

[random lark]

I'm ilvl 680 how much haste should I have

[little current]

200 gazillion

[main bridge]

69

[pure raptor]

Maybe deathmark or deathstalkersmark buff or something

[random lark]

lol

[red schooner]

It doesn't matter, ignore stats, sim your stuff

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[random lark]

that was a joke. my bad lol

[pliant remnant]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[bright tartan]

[pliant remnant]

Make Sanguine Blades also work below 50% energy, but without consuming energy when it's below

[gleaming geyser]

hold from spamming envenom when you have DN and pop on the stalker when he comes back? or just save a vanish

you preferably want to pop CDs during amp anyway

[pure raptor]

Or Autoattacks triggering Poisonbomb

[coral ibex]

NA up

[cloud nymph]

!chain

[spice lagoon]

bet

[languid grail]

No bugfix and balance chances this patch

Wow

[night vessel]

so sad to see

[little current]

you expect blizzard to give a solitary shit about anything rogue related?

[static glacier]

deathstalker's mark is somewhat converted into aoe through spatter, dm is mainly st ye - both fine suggestions too

[exotic pulsar]

That's it, delete the assassination channel and make a new one called fix bugs.

[night vessel]

Bugstalker is my favourite hero talent

[frozen glacier]

SHUT IT DOWN WHISPYR

[night vessel]

Fatebugger

[grave osprey]

Oh man! That ticking sack of terror is looking amazing 👀

[coral ibex]

avoidance on the belt

or myth tier gloves

[spice surge]

Assuming you dont have them nothing wrong with a pair of gloves

[coral ibex]

i have hero tier in gloves

simming to see if its a belt or glove angle

[ebon prism]

Ez avoidance

[coral ibex]

kinda want to yeet this disc thing

[ebon prism]

Can't sim living

[golden loom]

big mommy neck

[split veldt]

ez

[coral ibex]

fucking

how

how is a crit mastery belt at 723

a 0.2% upgrade

over this disc piece of shit

[golden loom]

yep

[desert vault]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hexed harbor]

bis trinket

KEKW

and myth tier piece

[golden loom]

well you probably go kill normal and heroic loomithar and see if one drops

[nova kelp]

obtained

[hexed harbor]

W myth antenna

[brazen heart]

what do you use for sim options? like fight style, bosses, fight length, etc? mostly doing keys. trying to sim my vault

[grim jay]

Bis where?

[grim jay]

Gz

[grim jay]

Dungeonslice on Standard settings no buffs but bloodlust

Nightly

[prisma quest]

Is double on-use good for sin? Have hero netherprism equipped and hero pacemaker but can take myth track Lily to replace pacemaker

[soft robin]

Before I select my vault - Am I seeing correctly in my sims that the OH weapon for assa is pretty meh? Sorry, new to the spec and want to make sure I'm running sims correctly

[spice surge]

Yes

Offhand is the least impactful slot for rogues

[soft robin]

Ok, that matches up with the sim, ty for the help

[solar flax]

Would myth level crit/mastery feet (707 ilvl) be better than normal raid quality Interlopers Feet? I know the reshi wrap feet is BIS but I don't know at what point ilvl overtakes it

[analog field]

sim it

[nova kelp]

they're probably pretty close, I'd probably just rock the interlopers

[lucid silo]

bad vault boys

[solar flax]

thank i'll sim it just to be sure

[nova kelp]

you already have a prism?

[lucid silo]

ritual forge and antenna

[nova kelp]

prism v good

VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV good

personally I'd rather rock a prism over a forge

for every situation

[brazen heart]

i have forge and prism in my vault, which would be better?

[quasi steeple]

Should i grab the trinket here? I dont raid frequently so, not so sure

[lucid silo]

i pretty much play m+ for the most part

[nova kelp]

yes

[quasi steeple]

I know the answer is sim it but, cant sim on a 6k queue xD

[nova kelp]

prism is VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRY good in m+

[frigid lagoon]

If you play prism as assa, can you hold it for 3m?

[nova kelp]

you can yes

[wanton spear]

hero antenna vs myth seaforium....

[nova kelp]

or you can just send it with DM in m+

[nova kelp]

antenna by a large margin

[hexed harbor]

over there

[wanton spear]

that was my initial thought I just wanted to get some 2nd opinions on it since useally if u pass a myth track vault trinket you never see it again

[desert vault]

wild our guild, have been clearing normal and heroic since week 1/2 basically, we have yet to see a single Antenna drop from raid, think we have seen 1-2 warbound and that's it

[nova kelp]

yeah we've only seen 1 lol

it was a myth one at least

but still

[livid dagger]

myth Lily

[desert vault]

we haven't seen a single one in vaults or raid, except LFR warbound it has been rough

[nova kelp]

we had a bunch of peeps get a myth one from their vaults before we killed loom

since binder is "boss 3"

[wanton spear]

winning the game i guess

[nova kelp]

hero prism, myth antenna

[dusty phoenix]

Im rocking a lfr antenna and I'm chillin

[tawdry root]

is there a macro to condense all our poisons into 1 button?

[hexed root]

better lucky then good

[nova kelp]

exactly

better lucky THEN good

[hollow fulcrum]

i want prism or antenae real bad

[stray fox]

myth track pants or heroic ritual forge

[hollow fulcrum]

we run antenna over seaforium right?

[nova kelp]

yes

[hollow fulcrum]

this is shit

only thinkg i would take is ring cuz my rings arent the best

itll replace a 675

[nova kelp]

the ring is a hella good ring, do you have a myth chest? coz if not hero chest tier is good too

[hollow fulcrum]

i dont have mythic chest but i already have hero chest

its either myth track belt to upgrade and replace delve belt or ring

cuz im not replace my reshii wraps

[nova kelp]

take care with the belt "upgrade"

unless that thing has a socket it's VERY unlikely to be an upgrade for a good fucking while

[hollow fulcrum]

exactly thats why im prolly just gonna take ring

[nova kelp]

I have the myth belt from the first boss, currently sims need me to upgrade it 3 times AND add a socket

[hollow fulcrum]

seems like biggest upgrade

[nova kelp]

so that's not happening for a LONG time

[hollow fulcrum]

jesus

[nova kelp]

I'm not putting 45 crests into a fucking belt for a good fucking while

[hollow fulcrum]

cuz basically ill fix my ring situation to craft a 720 ring with crit mastery and take that ring

[nova kelp]

that ring is a very good ring - and hotly contested

[hollow fulcrum]

and my 675 ring and 694 rings get replaced

bet

[nova kelp]

I wouldn't feel bad about it at all

[hollow fulcrum]

nopw i just need to get antenna or prism

or both

from raid

[stray fox]

pants or forge? forge seems awkward to play around. never gonna do mythic raiding

[gray raven]

are we fixed?

[spare kayak]

hm guys, how do i select different gem for the reshii wraps in the raidbots?

[hollow fulcrum]

forge is better in keys to play around since cds light up

[nova kelp]

unlikely, but nothing noted yet

[nova kelp]

in the gems section

mannnnnnnnn prism in keys is so giga underrated

[fallow canopy]

that's a lot of jewelry

[nova kelp]

thats a LOT of jewelery

lol

[frigid pilot]

[pliant remnant]

[hoary mist]

kinda mid i think

[unborn rain]

meh so leahs isnt bad if u dont have a good ms trinkets imo

[rugged basalt]

[analog field]

lol

[rugged basalt]

i probs take ring since i have myth pacemaker, but i gotta wait for raidbots to wake up

[nova kelp]

do you have antenna?

antenna destroys pace

[errant swallow]

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[rugged basalt]

Running myth track pace with lily/prism hero track atm

[nova kelp]

antenna DESTROYS pace

[rugged basalt]

is it bc it can stack many times

[nova kelp]

it's because it's overcooked asf

and pace isn't

[rugged basalt]

mmm this would be a great time for sim to work

[nova kelp]

there's a miss chance to antenna is all, because you have to collect the orbs

[white orchid]

Heroic King Shalad Necklace simming 100k dps almost over my 681 crafted. Probably take that over two myth tier pieces that have to be catalyzed first and wont be able to till next week huh

[rugged basalt]

luckily i DO have the hero track priory ring

[fallen charm]

idk how you can pass on a bis piece for a hero track gear

the hoarder in me is crying

[nova kelp]

it won't be close

[static glacier]

tbh they coulda done without nerfing dungeon trinks from last season

[static glacier]

you using signet?

[hexed harbor]

sim queues are insane right now lmao

[viscid spear]

Pray for my vault

In 6 hours

Heroic tonight though, so we'll see. I'm not raiding Thursday for reasons

[astral current]

finally got my hands on prism and i wonder what's best way to use it in HC raid
use it on each DM except fights when it's better to delay prism or just use it with vanish as whispyr recommends

[nova kelp]

generally when whispyr recommends something, it's probably because there's a good reason

you WANT to use it with vanish on fb

if something gets in the way of that, idk the fight is going to end before that point, then use it with dm or some shit

as ds, just use it with dm

as sub, use it with blades

as outlaw, use it when you reroll

spec, not bones

[quaint nimbus]

[astral current]

gotcha mate, thx

[white orchid]

No I have hero prism and hero pacemaker.

[burnt frost]

[hollow fulcrum]

so heres the thing, do i run 704 omega and upgrade my whispers of karesh which is 5k haste 3.3k mastery to 710, OR do i craft a 720 ring to use with omega and just upgrade my 7k vers 1.6k haste neck to 710

[idle plaza]

isnt lily on 710 sims higher?

[quaint nimbus]

WHY ARE YOU HERE YOU PLAY TANK DONT EVEN PLAY ANYMORE

[nova kelp]

than what? prism?

[idle plaza]

then antenna

for st at least?

[nova kelp]

antenna is a passive

unless you';re planning to use 2 use trinks

that's not a bad idea with sub

kinda jank for sin

[idle plaza]

ah true why tf tought about lily is a passive trinket LOL

[nova kelp]

it's probably more that antenna is so fucking cooked we just assume it's the same use case scenario as the use trinkets

[mental thistle]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/kisebae-kisebaes-kisekae-garfield-me-when-gif-19224589

[idle plaza]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[autumn idol]

[topaz frost]

Do people try to maintain buff from unyielding netherprism or are people pooling to align with cooldowns or pooling to max stacks for a burn phase?

Or all 3 depending

[spice surge]

Would you rather have 3000 agility when you are out of energy or 50000 agility during your cooldowns?

[topaz frost]

Currently I am pooling with kingsbane

[hearty shell]

is there a command for opening a thread for log reviews or do I have to ask someone with rights to do it?

[normal mist]

the right man for the job needs to do it

aka tag quake

heheh

[topaz frost]

But it is more like 9k vs 57k

[normal mist]

(we can open a thread but if there's no one to review it its meh)

[topaz frost]

Or on kingsbane cd closer to 30k

[spice surge]

You use it with vanish on your 3 min deathmark

[topaz frost]

Ah okay.

Thanks for the feedback

[hearty shell]

true true, is he alright with being tagged like that? Don't wanna just be annoying lol. Also thanks for the quick answer!

[coral ibex]

bruh.mp4

[coral ibex]

[subtle tundra]

fuck my ass man

[normal mist]

He won't mind, he'll do them as soon as he is available @spice spire Hello dear homie, if you won't mind doing a log review, @hearty shell was asking for help

[hearty shell]

You're a gem, thank you!

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/alice-in-wonderland-curtsy-gif-10714016786536042726

[thorn thorn]

[thorn thorn]

[ornate pond]

I feel like I gotta send it on mythic lily (currently have H), there's gonna be plenty of future chances to catalyze pants over the season

[normal mist]

hero pants are farmable

[young reef]

no trink in vault 😔

[normal mist]

skill issue obviously

you didn't pray enough

[young reef]

prob have to just take myth head

[ornate pond]

these are Mythic pants but still haha, eventually farmable and much more common

[young reef]

giga crit ring tho

[normal mist]

oh... LOL oops.

[ornate pond]

Yeah if you get a mythic dungeon trinket that's good it seems like that's usually correct, since it's the only place to get them

[slim copper]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qntpPJRsTyg7vYSipdH3w3 Am i stupid or shouldnt tier be a higher priority than Harvester's edict?

[young reef]

we can craft this week yea?

[young reef]

gg

[livid dagger]

Yes

[ornate pond]

Yes we can, I'm wondering what most people are sending it on. I've got bracers and one weapon, guessing lots of us will go ring or neck maybe? Or second dagger maybe, but I've got a decent heroic offhand

[normal mist]

second dagger never

[slim copper]

doesnt neck give most stats?

[livid dagger]

Belt /shrug

[normal mist]

belt isnt even a good upgrade overall VS delves belt

[livid dagger]

I’m not doing delves >:|

[young reef]

i guess ill make a neck

[normal mist]

?

[cyan trellis]

I was thinking wrist maybe? Seems kinda wasteful though

[livid dagger]

You can’t make me

[normal mist]

sure then

must be hard to do like a few lvl1 delves for a almost BiS belt

[ornate pond]

I'm leaning toward neck, I have the floodgate one at heroic and it's fine but mas/vers isn't the most ideal

[young reef]

i at least do my one treasure map delve

[livid dagger]

Yea small stats on wrists does feel bad but I figure you will make them eventually

[young reef]

at this point idk if i should start itemizing for sub lol

[ornate pond]

yeah you can do l1 sidestreet for a max level belt in like 30 min total lol

[young reef]

but i want giga st fatebound.

[spice surge]

Well theyre the same items really

[stable sinew]

Not having a free 701 piece cuz of delves is crazy

[spice surge]

As long as you dont stack tons of haste its fine

[sharp sinew]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[young reef]

crit not that much worse than versfor sub?

vers*

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/who-hath-summoned-me-to-this-realm-satan-south-park-time-to-get-cereal-who-dares-summon-me-gif-19489235

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-hi-hy-hey-gif-8520159980767013609

[young reef]

god my vault so boring :(

[light grove]

just to be sure, stupid question for sure, in mm+ we FoK at 3+ target always ? and when we have an ambush proc we use it right ?

[spice surge]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[frank idol]

Guys, question why the main dagger is being crafted with vers/mastery instead of crit/mastery?

[novel star]

it’s not

[coral ibex]

ok can someone explain this to me

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/crkacpxQAUCWPsxzwoL4gG

[novel star]

just sim the stats

[coral ibex]

723 belt 0.2% upgrade

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fDYCcvC6ci4SgLNk3Losub

720 crafted belt

0.8% upgrade

???

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hBV9MGio3WTjkV6ULdDomc

and this sim says the crafted belt is 1.4%

im so lost

[ancient pasture]

They royally fucked up with delve belt my god

[young reef]

15 min waits for premium raidbots holy

[lofty inlet]

Raidbots down 🙁

[coral ibex]

i guess im crafting a belt

but like

wtf

[frigid lagoon]

If the person wants more damage playing subtlety maybe

[spice surge]

Youre simming with different necks

[lofty inlet]

I got 2 myth rings and a myth belt with crit/mastery. Not sure what to pick :v

[celest mesa]

does DS favour mastery over crit in M+ bleed build? Also how much haste should we be looking for

[slim pasture]

I said a sim sim sim is the word a sim sim sim

[agile flame]

is heroic antenna better than myth sacbrood (i have a 723 pacemaker already)? i might just grab a myth signet of false accuser

[coral ibex]

😅

[frigid lagoon]

Noob

[hollow fulcrum]

why is assa bad in dawn

[magic fossil]

hands is better, ring is better and im almost going for netherprismo cuz have 0 luck in rolls

[young reef]

would it be absolute zero iq to take this over my myth head (my first myth tier)

[magic fossil]

fuck

[waxen oyster]

Ask your sim

[fallow canopy]

this basically says the same as the droptimizer btw 0.8%+, the extra 0.6% is from the trinkets

[waxen oyster]

i got db crit haste ring in my vault with a tert again

but also got a myth head with avoidance

[young reef]

i guess should i sim them both at max upgrades or sometihng

15 minutes in sim queue lets go

[waxen oyster]

Usually, helm chest or legs at myth will win on sim

purely because highest primary piece

[young reef]

i accidentally simmed without upgrading so ring won but i go agane

[autumn idol]

[waxen oyster]

Im more impressedi tert rolled on the db ring twice

in 3 vaults

and had something better

both times

[celest mesa]

Its not i usually top dps in dawn

[young reef]

i assume assa bad in streets is smaller pack size and many bosses

i also kinda dont get dawn

[waxen oyster]

dawn is fine for assa

[celest mesa]

thats what im sayin

tanks cant chain pull in that dung

[waxen oyster]

well they kind of can

[young reef]

feels like theres some good big puills in dawn for assa

[celest mesa]

First packs literally impossible

[spice surge]

Assa is good ye, but sub is insane in dawn, because 90s line up way better with how the pulls usually go

[young reef]

ah

[waxen oyster]

tbh i’ve run both and they both seem good

street defo feels more for sub

howeber

[young reef]

yea i think im just perma running streets sub

[rigid fable]

how do you guys using antenna trinket? you dodge the stacks to get all after?

[young reef]

yo umean nether prism?

[hexed frost]

Floodgate is the only assa dungeon at this point

Even gambit is sub dungeon after the murlock section

[nova kelp]

he means the antenna

I wouldn't dodge them

run the risk of missing them

[young reef]

that shit has stacks?

[nova kelp]

and fuck that

it spawns orbs that give you the buff stacks

you have to pick them up

[young reef]

oh

hmmm

[nova kelp]

you COULD game it I guess

[young reef]

i gues it really is the giga ring of doom

[nova kelp]

but if I wanted to load myself up with cognitive workload I'd play outlaw

[young reef]

feels so hard to make myself not take the tier piece though lmao

[nova kelp]

the logic gates are very good

but also that's not a huge diff

you can always buy good rings from the ah

[warm vortex]

You xalatoes

[halcyon flame]

!wa

[warm vortex]

Guess who got res 13/3k today

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[warm vortex]

:D

[young reef]

i dont like having a hard vault choice

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[covert elbow]

Had the lily pop up and im super stoked, but the sim is sayin' it's just as effective as the signet of the priory. I think im putting the info into raidbots incorrectly or something.

[young reef]

i can also craft an even better ring rn

[warm vortex]

Genuinly the hardest part was being invited as a survival

In S2 as a BM, i could just queue as MM and play BM
Can't rlly queue as MM and play SV, bit of a dick move

[nova kelp]

signet can only really be used if you're playing DS, FB or Sub will prefer lily, and can work just fine for DS too

[sullen hearth]

Anyone got Tips on getting the AutoMisdirect WA and Macro to work correctly?

[young reef]

raidbots seemingly back up btw

[sullen hearth]

Mine will assign the Tank but i still have to click on them to make it work

[nova kelp]

it's annoying when peeps invite based on spec reputation alone, I know a windwalker who probably trashes most peeps groups would instantly invite

[covert elbow]

So, I have a DS build I use for more aoe applications while one with FB for single target fights

[nova kelp]

the FB build will love lily MUCH more than signet

like not even close

[clever sparrow]

how to set keybind on a boss botton?

[minor coyote]

Lowkey forbid NA people to post vault, for us EU peeps to not be jealous

[clever sparrow]

like reshi wraps for first boss raid

i cant find my mouse

[young reef]

extra action button

in keybinds

[covert elbow]

I figured as much and there are more applications for FB, but just on raw input....lily activates for more mastery than the signet would offer assuming it's my highest secondary (it is)

[clever sparrow]

ah

ty

[young reef]

np

[waxen oyster]

Lily just has more widespread use

both are kind of worse than the raid on uses though

[minor coyote]

Lily lowkey S tier trinket

[mint valve]

if youre playing netherprism on assa, do you just press with every deathmark or do you hold?

[young reef]

holy sim really wants me to solve my rings this week i guess lmao

fuck it

we ball

[covert elbow]

I would be competing with almost everyone for the raid trinkets, so the lily's application would be stellar. Not only that, but the raw agility considering my sotp is 8/8 champ upgrading to the 1/6 myth lily

[dense cedar]

every DM with deathstalker, every vanish+DM on FB

[waxen oyster]

i should check how much crafted ring would be for me

[mint valve]

thank you vansolo

[waxen oyster]

though should hold gilded on the offchance loom drops his weapon

[upper spear]

if I have Lily and Prism, do i just Prism on KB and Lily on DM?

[royal lantern]

double on use will not be good, i can gurantee that

get a passive trinket as 2nd one

[young reef]

time to delve in my favorite game world of warcraft

[magic fossil]

prism and antenna

[young reef]

after 45 minutes of simming

[upper spear]

my patchwerk sim wants me to experience pain

[wanton remnant]

So i have a crafted dagger and bracers. Should i craft a 720 belt to replace my delve belt? Or a neck or ring with crit mastery on it

[young reef]

u can sim it

[royal lantern]

are you raiding mythic

[coral ibex]

the answer to that is obtained by a sim

[royal lantern]

if yes, first boss drops a belt

but sim yourself

[young reef]

this is what replacing the delve belt gives in my sim from just a second ago btw

[waxen oyster]

[young reef]

pretty ass

[waxen oyster]

ok yes 723 weapon would give me 100k dps, to 5.1 sim

not bad

[upper spear]

we get a craft this week right?

[proper tangle]

How do i make raidbots sim each of the items on their own so I can see what to craft instead of putting them all together like this?

[wanton remnant]

So maybe i get the belt from vault

[spice surge]

You edit this part to have as many crests and sparks as you have

[woeful galleon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aeMdXwfcyMs8zSczJJ61zy theres no way I take jastors over hero haste mast right right?

[rugged basalt]

It simmed lily/pace over prism/pace too, for me

[brazen walrus]

im getting lily/pace over prism/pace too (lily/pace is current gear)

[trim fjord]

Is blood mallet still up to date in terms of our BiS trinkets ? Shows Lily is 2nd best but wow head guide showing two raid trinkets would be our best .

[hearty seal]

can't wait to open vault tomorrow and find some bullshit in all three slots

[last skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-kurt-angle-meme-kurt-angle-thousand-yard-stare-kurt-angle-war-thousand-war-stare-gif-12128448474115985980

[rugged basalt]

I guess the item track does matter kek

[hollow fulcrum]

how much haste should we ideally have on ass

cuz im sitting at 4.4k rn

[hasty gate]

if your mythic raiding a myth belt drops 1st boos

[red schooner]

However much haste the sim tells you to get.

[royal lantern]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[gleaming geyser]

jastors sims wrong

or well, the buff proc variance is extremely unreliable in practice

[blissful walrus]

hätte wer eben zeit habe da Probleme und fragen zum meuchel schurken

[eternal hawk]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3AXEGgcYGc4KK79R8t6uYr this does not properly reflect jastor bug, would it be worth it to craft a ring anyways over neck?

[honest lagoon]

How come Sudden Demise sometimes procs without killing an enemy? I thought it was a definitive execute

[red schooner]

Was this in a delve/open world?

[honest lagoon]

Yep, open world

[magic horizon]

What is the proper macro for Deathmark, Tempered Potion, Blood Fury, and Araz's Ritual Forge?
Do I need to do a cast sequence?
Please lmk if I'm in the wrong area. Thanks!

[red schooner]

Things scale differently in delves/open world so its kind of scuffed.

[honest lagoon]

Oh, that's dumb. So it only works in dungeons?

[red schooner]

Dungeons/raids, yeah. It sort of 'works' in open world but the values vary

[honest lagoon]

Gotcha, thanks 🙂

[red schooner]

I don't think you'd need a cast sequence for it.

[flint star]

You def don't need castsequence

[magic horizon]

#showtooltip
/cast Deathmark
/use Tempered Potion
/use Blood Fury
/use Araz's Ritual Forge

Does that look right?

[red schooner]

#showtooltip Deathmark
/use 13 (or 14 depending on your trinket positions)
/cast Deathmark
/cast Bloodfury
/use Tempered Potion

[magic horizon]

ohhhh

Thanks dude

[red schooner]

You may need to do some weird things with the tempered potion, like if you have fleeting ones from cauldron and normal ones in your bags it may use the normal ones first

[flint star]

Yeah, put fleeting above the usual ones

[magic horizon]

Thats fine Im not worried about the fleeting really

So put
/use Feetling Tempered Potion
/use Tempered Potion

[flint star]

Yeah

[latent kernel]

do you use deathmark in aoe

[magic horizon]

13 is the top and 14 is the bottom trink right?

[red schooner]

Yup

[flint star]

Yeah

[magic horizon]

Prio target tho

[mint urchin]

No reason not to send it unless you have a boss immediately after

[hollow fulcrum]

so lets say we have lilly and forge for st

would we prefer to use lilly or forge

[devout hazel]

hey guys any actual godd assa player

that can watch my logs to see what im doing wrong?

feels like im doing something wrong on single target

[young reef]

uhh

[mint urchin]

Man parses 99 and wants a review?

[latent kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/cookies-enjoy-chocolate-chip-cookie-gif-11797931

[frigid lagoon]

Do I pot late on frac mythic for execute? Or is BL better?

[hollow fulcrum]

bro just wanted to flex that he parsed a 99

[ornate gate]

third craft is just filler right?

[hollow fulcrum]

i crafted a ring cuz my rings were shit

[devout hazel]

anyone here is a god rogue that can help

[royal lantern]

we love humblebraging

[frigid lagoon]

99 on add fight

[royal lantern]

"add fight"

you mean the fight where everyone hits them??

[frigid lagoon]

Maybe his st sucks

Stfu?!!

[unreal tide]

man posts a 99, already found a fan

[devout hazel]

i know

thats why i ask a review on the st fight

my parse is so bad there

[shrewd night]

[devout hazel]

i want to be able to do a 99 or a 98 in tonights raid

thats why i want any good help

[viscid spear]

[knotty vapor]

did I just get cucked

[red schooner]

mythic chest for catalyst maybe?

[knotty vapor]

i dont even want tier chest

[waxen oyster]

what

chest has one of the highest stat distros

[rough eagle]

huh main stat op :3

[knotty vapor]

I mean it feels like a shitty upgrade

the shiniest turd

yay now i get to lose a bunch of crit mastery

[runic hinge]

big agility

[waxen oyster]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[runic hinge]

more important

[red schooner]

An upgrade is an upgrade.

[knotty vapor]

yeah it is

[ornate gate]

should i just craft a 2nd dagger or is that not advised

[waxen oyster]

assa has no bad stats

[spice spire]

Not advised unless you have literally nothing else to do

[waxen oyster]

is the least impactful slot so its a bad choice

[red schooner]

Craft a cape, treat yourself

[waxen oyster]

unless you're like 3 months into a tier and nothing left

[ornate gate]

what would you upgrade here with a craft?

[red schooner]

Ring or a neck before an offhand dagger probably.

[waxen oyster]

^

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-fucking-get-you-neko-atsume-me-when-me-when-i-get-you-mrtheyes-gif-4157721420697656658

[red schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/glblglblgb-gif-24373863

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-dont-hurt-me-mike-ohearn-jokester-joke-funny-gif-27699537

[waxen oyster]

i would just say wait until raid and see if loomithar drops weapon

unless you'd have enough gilded to send a craft+max a 723 wep

[vivid mulch]

There's no reason to vanish in FB ST if you dont have imp garrote and MA right other than a free ambush

[spice surge]

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[spice surge]

Damn its not that one

[waxen oyster]

Read the hero talents

[vivid mulch]

xd

[waxen oyster]

[spice surge]

!dj

[prisma monolith]

Vanishing On Fatebound

• you vanish for double jeopardy, a Fatebound talent
• this causes your next flip to flip an additional coin, and this coin can be an edge-case coin
• because of this, you want to vanish when you know the next flip is an edge-case flip
• edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
• you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst

[vivid mulch]

ahhhh

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-ramsay-gordon-let-him-cook-let-willian-cook-gif-20750589

[brisk shadow]

Have they fixed the 4 set bugs yet for Fatebound?

[runic hinge]

the pins say no

[brisk shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/waah-waa-sad-wah-waaah-gif-25875771

[waxen oyster]

What bugs

sounds intended

[quiet oriole]

We always do x2 envenoms after KB cold-blood? Or was that just with vanish if couldnt remember why we wanted to make sure we did x2 envenoms

[tepid meadow]

Myth focusing crystal or myth tier wat we thinkin fellas (I have a shit ISP and hero lily atm)

[plain hare]

can someone tell me why am i slacking so low on this key ? https://fr.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DZHrKjn67QJyGMd2?fight=last

[hearty seal]

huffing copium for next week fixes

[hollow fulcrum]

is caustic bugged

[clever sparrow]

WTF HAVE I DONE

[fresh kelp]

[spice surge]

[waxen oyster]

Sounds like your sim wants vers

[runic hinge]

🐜

[teal palm]

guys is haste supposed to be simming high for assa rogue this season? I have a 7k haste 1k mastery neck and it's simming higher than any of my high mastery necks

[vapid terrace]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[solar flax]

Do champion items upgrade to hero automatically once upgraded past 4/8?

[spice surge]

no

[solar flax]

thank you

[eternal hawk]

I asked earlier but it didnt get answered, is it worth it to craft a ring to replace jastor even though crafting a neck sims higher? I dont know how much the jastor bug would decrease its sim value

[shrewd night]

Time for you to be stuck in HoA prison

[waxen oyster]

You have two ring slots so you're generally going to still get value from a ring craft even if you get one from vault.

[eternal hawk]

thats true. baseline it sims 3rd anyways for my other ring regardless, plus it sims #1 for sub as well and im flexing ATM

[waxen oyster]

Also the jastor thing depends how much you want to unequip/re-equip a ring every time you die

[gleaming geyser]

undermine exchange prison to snag a cheap hero BoE ring off server

[waxen oyster]

gl dishing out a small fortune for a myth boe ring

[gleaming geyser]

yea I aint buying myth track

[waxen oyster]

I think what's really comical this tier is 3 armor types have one of their boes as a pair of boots.

BLIZZARD?

[gleaming geyser]

I got a hero track for 250k off server about a week and a half ago

im still running on my myth neck boe drop sale from LoU

for 4.5m

[waxen oyster]

there's only one myth boe ring on na rn

vers mast for 6m

xddd

[gleaming geyser]

[waxen oyster]

Leather is the only type without a boe boot

we have a belt instead

much bigger improvement /s

[analog field]

i had this drop in mythic 2 days ago, but it is bop for now 🙁

[verbal hatch]

!buglist

[analog field]

lost like 10m

[waxen oyster]

i never get boe luck

[analog field]

me too

first time

[waxen oyster]

sell it to a guildie

obvs

[analog field]

a guildie had a hero ring

2m

[analog field]

it is bop

[spice surge]

Its gonna stay bop

[analog field]

cant give anywhere

[waxen oyster]

i thought it was tradeable in guild at leas

weird

[spice surge]

Only items that drop after they make em tradeable will be tradeable

[analog field]

dont think so (not 100%)

[waxen oyster]

tbh i initially assumed boes would become boe

after rwf

[shrewd night]

Cant even buy myth track yet, right

[waxen oyster]

you can now

theres vers mast on sarg

[shrewd night]

Oh fuck

[gleaming geyser]

[shrewd night]

[analog field]

it changed with todays reset?

[verbal hatch]

My mutilate has just disappeared from my whole bars, and my spellbook

[waxen oyster]

idk but its on the site

[analog field]

hmm ok

[waxen oyster]

listed at 6m

6k vers 3k mast

[gleaming geyser]

That happened with my rupture a week ago, gone from each of my talent loadouts

[gleaming geyser]

Warrior in our raid got a double crit boe ring week 2; I can't imagine how much he could have sold it had it been tradeable

[verbal hatch]

did you find a fix?

[waxen oyster]

lmao

double crit

not even that great on warrior

[gleaming geyser]

yea lol

[waxen oyster]

if it was crit haste

welp prot jail for you

[gleaming geyser]

I swapped specs a few times and it came back

[waxen oyster]

i imagine double crit or double mastery

would cost the most

Well, with stat drs the plexus ring is probably enough

that shit already like 80% crit

[gleaming geyser]

double mastery would go hard

savant 🧠

[waxen oyster]

double vers ring is like

outlaw mains would like your location

[cyan dew]

Guys, does it matter if I use prism before DM or after (like, after pressing DM)?

[rigid fable]

buff ST when?

[cunning basin]

If you're playing fatebound p sure you're supposed to use it with vanish rather than deathmark

[cyan dew]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[cyan dew]

rly?

[solar flax]

How do you guys balance crit and mastery, if at all?

[iron carbon]

Sim

You listen to the robot

Because

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[cunning basin]

It's in da pins

[cyan dew]

How do we play around atenna? Any tech?

[normal mist]

you grab the orbs

[barren yarrow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iRSyhJR4AJGyc8oPU52S78

any chance someone can help me understand why prism is out and lily is in?

if feel like itll line up with our 3min better

but idk

[normal mist]

in theory lily lines up with every DM too

[spice spire]

^

[barren yarrow]

so i guess what im asking is listen to the sim and not my heart with wanting to play prism

[normal mist]

Prism makes your 3 min window really strong thats for certain

[barren yarrow]

yeah, but give some dps in return more steady dps overtime with lily

[fathom flax]

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[normal mist]

Sim knows better

[normal mist]

oof, hard choices?

[barren yarrow]

thnx flux

[distant plinth]

Lets fucking gooooo!!!! Be a team player and dont pick any of those after the reclear🤣

[spice spire]

Got me slapping my dick on the screen rn horny howling

[velvet pier]

I just got swapped out of Loom fight mythic because i didnt do DMG on wall xd

toxic RL >:)

[ancient pasture]

is sub just generally better this season, or just due to ass bugs?

[waxen oyster]

Depends on boss

you kind of thanos snap the last 2 as sub due to damage amps

[ancient pasture]

meant more for m+

i dont raid much

[cunning basin]

Link them the 400 other sin logs where the only DPS they did to wall was an occasional cleaved shiv or a rupture snipe for energy

[waxen oyster]

Streets is the only clear sub winner

I feel....

[cunning basin]

You don't play sin to damage the wall, you play it to kill the boss in p2 lll

[waxen oyster]

Rest likely depend on your group comp

[velvet pier]

i did

[waxen oyster]

ask your ranged do they have their keyboards plugged in

[worthy jetty]

is signet of the priory a bad trinket? why does bloodmallet have it so much lower than lily when they're very similar trinkets?

[velvet pier]

They wanted add dmg, ill let them come crawling back when they cant kill p2 boss

[normal mist]

find a new guild

[hearty seal]

FB desync
lower bonus value (for 5 seconds longer)
have to keep track of your stats so that mastery will be the highest (BM likely doesn't account for that tho)

it's not bad, but it's no longer top tier as it was back in s2

[worthy jetty]

correct for fatebound it is worse i agree, but i'm simming dungeon slice as deathstalker with a 2 min deathmark

[waxen oyster]

i mean tbf it wasnt really top tier in s2

there just was no options

[hearty seal]

it's like grades
if you got a B+, but nobody got an A
then you've got one of the best grades in class!

[waxen oyster]

signet just existed in a season where your only other on use option really was hoc

and ig funhouse if your spec liked haste on use

[hearty seal]

ye s2 itemization was kinda sad sometimes

[worthy jetty]

hmm so even for deathstalker lily is just way better?

[vestal granite]

so how do you "avoid" 4set bug? Cold blood to vanish? stop using finisher after 7th coin?

[hearty seal]

sim it, but generally yea

[waxen oyster]

I see it like market monopoly

[velvet pier]

Probably should xd

[waxen oyster]

If i sell you a shitty item from temu but its your only option in the area

it suddenly is the best

[jagged kite]

guys should i send my third crafted on a 2nd weapon? 🤔

[feral wasp]

Can you reproduce double 4set proc all the time or not?

[waxen oyster]

wdym bug its clearly fixed

blizzard said so

why would they lie

[hearty seal]

anyway I don't raid mythic so s3 itemization continues to kinda suck for me
maybe next expac...

[waxen oyster]

I think historically speaking

final raid tiers usualyl have cracked trinkets

[normal mist]

probably not

check your neck or rings

[runic hinge]

Offhand weapon stats are the lowest impact in the game

[jagged kite]

i got 665 neck

[waxen oyster]

Oh

yeah go fix that

we usually say neck or ring, assuming you have non bin of both.

[worthy jetty]

my sim is saying signet of the priory is simming 40k higher than lily for deathstalker sin rogue, i think that makes sense right?

[dense cove]

what kinda dps are most of y'all simming as full single target fatebound?

[young reef]

after vault i got 4.88milly

[normal mist]

deathstalker?

[young reef]

without any of the great trinkets

[worthy jetty]

yes

[normal mist]

2mins DM - 2mins Signet

[worthy jetty]

yep

[hearty seal]

kinda makes sense, yeah

[normal mist]

longer duration

[lament bolt]

I think so. Lily is good for FB because it's 90s CD.

[kind saffron]

is there a guide or WA for when to use CDs on each boss of raid?

[worthy jetty]

exactly. i would not take this trinket if i raided but i'm just a M+ guy

[normal mist]

on CD basically

[hearty seal]

except for Araz, IIRC