assassination

[maiden sierra]

the rule of thumb is to not invite the pink and orange class

[vagrant urchin]

i feel that, i rushed my 3k and starting selling keys, midnight epic wasn't gonna buy itself

[vagrant urchin]

never invite pink, chicken or magus

any logs enjoyer?

[maiden sierra]

cant help you buddy

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/goara-dodosolsollalasol-dream-dreaming-cute-gif-19051865

me imagining the logs

[waxen oyster]

rob washed

/j

[maiden sierra]

fr

i had richard barrel flashbacks on that boss

getting yelled at to switch to tangles

[raw marlin]

this was a dh that did like 1000+ dungeons in time last season and didnt get title... like.. wtf

[vagrant urchin]

lmao get owned kid

[raw marlin]

nah we want to actually push lol

[weary spear]

The players 100 score under title are always the most toxic

I usually quit after 2 months cuz I can’t handle LFG

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/period-gif-17588437242254228503

[vagrant urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/merlinators-ethansinteriude-kansas-city-chiefs-mascot-get-a-load-of-this-guy-gif-15431858764913838521

[maiden sierra]

guys trust im not totally washed

[raw marlin]

i think these are the worst because the only reason they even have that score is because they legit play 6 hours a day for the entire season and yet STILL cant even get title.. it amazes me lol

[maiden sierra]

on a 5% araz wipe i got an 84

[nova kelp]

bro

i fucking suck on araz

[vagrant urchin]

i swear i can press my buttons

[nova kelp]

I need to work something out for that boss

[maiden sierra]

i play sub

copy shindig lorgs page

listen to kazi

ez game

[nova kelp]

you get so fucked by just like running around 90% of pulls

[maiden sierra]

running around?

[nova kelp]

I feel like these mega parses on araz are just like "yeah so I didn't get any mechanics bruh"

[undone glacier]

How does this spec feel on dimensius? I usually play outlaw and it feels so bad and sub is not clicking for me

[vagrant urchin]

fatescribe all over again

[nova kelp]

running adds to the other side of the void, then like sprinting to your soak

[maiden sierra]

wait are we talking mythic or heroic

[nova kelp]

then the raid has killed the adds

and you're chasing the boss

mythic

[maiden sierra]

i didint have a problem there

i just shadowstep

[vagrant urchin]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aHmxcRMyJg4GK6Pw?fight=14&type=casts&source=327&view=timeline wtb help

[scarlet wyvern]

idk i just use hekili and top dps

just big envenoms and cd management

[main bridge]

is that supposed to be a brag

[waxen oyster]

just flip tails

30x

[nova kelp]

all raid bosses hate this one simple trick!

[lunar pond]

It is dumb. Play between 90-100 is who got the most/highest tails streaks, no bugs and least knocks

[timber pawn]

Has Blizzard acknowledged the bugs at all?

[haughty flicker]

i think they're planning a press release to address the issues next week in fact

[unreal tide]

no crits? sadge

[oak eagle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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Whispyr's Plater

[humble verge]

poomping

3 melee setup

[ebon prism]

But u lost to the fdk

[coral ibex]

overtuned spec

and muh assa bugs

[solid hemlock]

thats like 90% of comps i play rn

[ebon prism]

What is ideal shiv outside of DM window? Is it just with darkest night full cp envenom?

[humble verge]

well it works with prot tank

protwarr i mean

https://tenor.com/view/333-gif-16633742758176803867

almost there

[solid hemlock]

yo relax u trying to get me or what

[humble verge]

wya

[young reef]

in aoe

shiv and thistle tea on cd

giga damage

[gray raven]

Are we just hoping for tuning tomorrow with no notes?

[coral ibex]

hoping for bug fixes more than anything

[humble verge]

@solid hemlock answer me goddamnit

[young reef]

i believe the shiv during darkest night is mostly a st only optimization? might be wrong about that

[humble verge]

reee

[coral ibex]

dont really feel like tuning is needed

[humble verge]

so 2 keys behind

[humble verge]

[solid hemlock]

cant time a 16 HoA but 18 gambit is easy

would have been timed with prot warr

[main bridge]

HoA is a harder key for sure

[solid hemlock]

but prot pala kinda felt nice ngl

[humble verge]

hoa is prolly the hardest

almost rn

[solid hemlock]

just lacking the dmg / ap buff

[main bridge]

oh yeah the extra interrupts in HoA probably own

[humble verge]

true

honestly

with more gear shits gonna get eaiser

[solid hemlock]

yeah for sure

just HoA feels tight rn

route was kinda slow aswell but

it was double funnel, we had wound poison etc - should be optimal tools for HoA

my guy even pulled in funnel for my second DM in execute first boss

[humble verge]

fix assa ST

this is 2nd boss

[tawdry halo]

holy thats a pres evoker's dream comp

i pray for groups like this when i heal

[humble verge]

pres evoker

wass

[scarlet wyvern]

with or without funnel? without its normal ST

nothing to fix assa is ass on ST

[half moat]

for keys do you guys just sim ST since we tunnel and cleave with spatter?

(and also our ST kind of blows without funnel)

[humble verge]

no funnel

[barren yarrow]

Sim dungeon not patchwork lol

[tawdry halo]

sim dungeon slice

it's useful for assa

[barren yarrow]

that’s it dungeon slice

[balmy condor]

simming single target is insane work

[half moat]

thats why we ask questions so we can learn 🙂

[balmy condor]

your funnel comes from aoe

bleeds on everything

[barren yarrow]

what IS funnel

[fading elbow]

Real

[half moat]

so DS actually works for sin?

[half moat]

surprised it works ill roll with it

[nova kelp]

define "works"

[half moat]

applicaable, not a worthless sim like most classes DS

[balmy condor]

dungeonslice has been the preferred method to sim m+ on rogues since legion

[half moat]

cool

[balmy condor]

we take good care of dungeonslice

[nova kelp]

oh

[half moat]

I appreciates you guys, probably the only ones

[nova kelp]

dungeonslice

thought we were talking deathstalker lol

[half moat]

Nah, DeathStalker is ass though worst Hero tree design Iv played but best we got in keys lol

fix the mark bugs and it would proably be fine

[waxen oyster]

Can't say deathstalker is the worst when fatebound literally exists.

Needed a tierset bonus to bandaid the fact your could just never get your capstone.

[tawdry halo]

we love a big flippa

but yeah, choose your poison

random buggy hero talent that disappears all the time

flippy flippy doesnt work without tierset

[coral ibex]

my DM was just a 45s cd

[balmy condor]

my raid leader keeps saying "light personal" on fractilus

someone know what that means

[fresh kelp]

this can't be true. blizzard said they fixed the bug!

[spice surge]

Like diet personals, not full sugar personals

[tawdry halo]

i think he's telling you to talent into elusiveness

[balmy condor]

bro I fucking am

[tawdry halo]

just press feint

or crimson vial?

[spring saffron]

Personal defences or heals.

[tawdry halo]

[waxen oyster]

trickster is honestly the only remotely alright rogue hero tree.

being immune to parry alone makes it better tbh

[tawdry halo]

i played sub for a bit last season and the no parry thing was so good

[amber brook]

We love pressing mutilate multiple times

[waxen oyster]

i guess outlaw had it to an extent prior

since bte technically cant be parried

[spring saffron]

I'm struggling with the raid aoe/council build I dont get it. With the aoe build for mythic+ I'm doing tons of damage in raid nothing. I must be missing something.

[balmy condor]

[waxen oyster]

feint is just the main one period

we dont get bait and switch as fb

[tawdry halo]

cant believe you'd do my boy crimson vial dirty like that

best self heal in the game

[waxen oyster]

i mean i use it alot

[tawdry halo]

[waxen oyster]

probably too much

i think i almost pressed on cd on gally

[balmy condor]

incredible

[coral ibex]

[tawdry halo]

[quaint nimbus]

Rogue is now healer

[balmy condor]

bro comcast is skull fucking my internet

fractilus is skull fucking my hp bar

what a day

[tawdry halo]

some days are for sweet success

others for pants-down punishment

[balmy condor]

the peepee whacking will continue until moral improves

[coral ibex]

dude

i got sent

THRU

the walls

at one point

ended up on the other side

[broken fractal]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
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[broken fractal]

!macros

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[runic hinge]

I don’t think that one is in rotation rn

[coral ibex]

?

what

on a fract break

i went

through

the walls

[humble verge]

doing keys with people 7 ilvl over idk

feels good

[balmy condor]

bro

how are arcane mages either doing a billion dps

or zero

[humble verge]

this is a good arcane

[balmy condor]

I don't get that spec

[humble verge]

hes actually a havoc main tho

[balmy condor]

yah but like

idk

[runic hinge]

De other side

[humble verge]

idk

[balmy condor]

sometimes it feels like even a good arcane mage

[humble verge]

you know first pull

[balmy condor]

just goes into a key

[humble verge]

in a 15 i did

[runic hinge]

Did you play shadowlands?

[humble verge]

arcane had 7m

[balmy condor]

and does like legit 5mil overall

[humble verge]

when i was doing 21m

[balmy condor]

whack ass spec

[humble verge]

kekw

i need to get anudda dagger eksde

[runic hinge]

It was a joke about the shadowlands dungeon

[nova kelp]

the only thing that's bothersome about that offhand is <Enchant: Missing>

[humble verge]

i cba enchanting vet gear

i dont have any gold on this

[nova kelp]

ew, brokie

[humble verge]

i have 3m on my main rogue tho

but cba placing in warbank

[coral ibex]

bruh

[humble verge]

need to buy myself

epic midnight

[coral ibex]

ok that’s a good one

[humble verge]

i get paid on wednesday

[nova kelp]

you can actually put so much gold in the warband bank

I wonder when they let us have more warbands if we'll be able to have more banks

that would be sick

[runic hinge]

Lmao good I was like damn am I that unfunny

[balmy condor]

yes

[runic hinge]

Fair

[humble verge]

crazy stats

on this rogue

[frozen iris]

Hey Whispyr just watched your Araz kill. Do you recommend FB for the soulbinder/araz?

[tawdry halo]

lol if you watch the beginning of the araz kill stream you can see him crashout after playing sub for 3 pulls

Deathstalker recommended for those fights, but it's currently a bit bugged

[frozen iris]

Yeah i know its bugged and have been running DS for those fights but was curious if i should change to FB

[tawdry halo]

try it for a few pulls and see if it makes a difference

[frozen iris]

Not having to deal with the mark would be nice

[balmy condor]

soulbinder no, araz yes

[mortal elm]

When playing M+ at what target count do we FoK instead of Mutilate ( other than keeping spatter up ofc) - and do we ever use IC garrote as a builder over Mut or FoK in opener?

[balmy condor]

fok on 3

and yes

ic garrote is your main builder from stealth

until everything has garrote

[covert adder]

so the recommended m+ build just does tank damage on bosses? 🤔

[balmy condor]

if you're bad, yes

[spice lagoon]

damn it im bad

[balmy condor]

if you're good, it does bad boss damage

many people just not vanishing in ST

[covert adder]

im bad. i multiclass and haven't played assassination in a couple years

[balmy condor]

or not shiv'ing

or casting one deathmark in 3.5 minutes

many such cases

[covert adder]

alright so you're telling me i should 'accidentally' pull mobs onto bosses then

[tawdry halo]

i mean

don't grief

[covert adder]

nah i run with irl friends

[tawdry halo]

oh sure

[covert adder]

a little griefing them is ok

[tawdry halo]

then yeah sure pull some safe mobs

but also its fine to pew pew on trash and do a "contribution" on boss

[haughty flicker]

tricks + poison knife

[tawdry halo]

like realistically you dont take assa in m+ for boss damage

you do it to delete the trash

so just dont do tank damage and you're good

[vestal granite]

idk man Tank damage is outrageous right now I m fine doing slightly more than tank damage

[covert adder]

yeah the aoe is pretty good. my main is DH though which just always has damage so its definitely a feels bad moment on bosses playing this rogue lol

[tawdry halo]

you can always learn sub

which has decent boss and trash

if it matters to you

[vocal cradle]

yall having to swap to the shits on loom'ithar?

i feel like its a waste of dmg for rogues to swap lol

[vestal granite]

its a free refill

[tawdry halo]

not hard swap, but a rupture for free energy is good

[balmy condor]

yeh just a rupture snipe

[vocal cradle]

WORD

caps

then they cant complain about me not swappign xD

[tawdry halo]

they can but that just means they dont understand your damage profile and why you swapping is a bad idea

[humble verge]

flood also fun

i died 4 times lolle

[ebon prism]

Rly, even on a spatter target? Thought it would be huge but I guess not. Better to just shiv/tea on cd between death marks and make sure I have 2 up later?

[balmy condor]

what's the question sorry

[tawdry halo]

shiv darkest night with lingering darkness is a lot of spatter damage

otherwise send shiv on CD

Deathmark is a single target DPS gain so send on CD in trash, make a judgement call on holding for boss

[coral ibex]

better to shiv on 1 stack of deathstalker mark tho

to consume it

and go to DN

[tawdry halo]

yes

sure

[balmy condor]

dry shiv good in aoe

idk if that's the discussion

but yes dry shiv

if you have shivs for that still

[tawdry halo]

hows comcast?

[balmy condor]

I mean it's not an issue for my gameplay or anything

the issue is I get 1000 down and 40 up

but the consistency is shit

so sometimes I'm at like 300 down and 7 up

but the ping is fine, the download is fine

I don't need 300

but 7 up is not enough to stream anything

[tawdry halo]

so weird

[coral ibex]

soul hunters blows btw

i hate this boss already

[main bridge]

you are not prepared

[coral ibex]

for what

this shit is ass

[balmy condor]

there was an abandoned house on the corner of the street, and they tore it down to put 3 houses on the plot

and there's 3 huge families in there now

one of them is legit grandparents, parents, 5 kids

and ever since then, my entire neighborhood has had capacity issues on our node

I had a friend who called in a favor at comcast to look at it, and like it just can't keep up, too much in/out

[oak tangle]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[humble verge]

how did we almost +2 a 15 gambit ayylamo

[balmy condor]

@tawdry halo

all is good

[coral ibex]

wow

happy for you

[balmy condor]

I have a new schizomaxx strat for you

[coral ibex]

oh word

lay it on me

[balmy condor]

Set all your alarms 2 minutes later

6:32 am alarm

6:47 am alarm

[coral ibex]

oh im way ahead of you on that angle

ive been setting my car clock and watch ahead 5 mins since high school

picked it up from my dad

[cursive root]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/war-within-class-tuning-incoming-–-september-3/1937024?blzcmp=app

[coral ibex]

2024 post

nice try

i literally know this post by heart by now

[cursive root]

LOL

[tawdry halo]

And I bet Comcast has no incentive upgrade the node for better capacity so like i guess you have to move now?

[tawdry halo]

Didn’t want to watch the kill anyway thanks Comcast

[tawdry halo]

Damn I got baited hard

[balmy condor]

I recorded it, YouTube will exist

The pull before the kill, I got 2min dm

And then when I cast my 2min dm

It double procced

[oak tangle]

you DM'ed your DM

[coral ibex]

i had my DM come up before my 45s kb earlier

[cursive root]

sorry im just like the rest of us, itching for class balance announcement but more fix rogue bugs 🙏🏼

[vale fox]

question. if team pops lust on pull on plexus

do i pop pot on pull or still after DM

[balmy condor]

[waxen oyster]

what

[balmy condor]

You can just macro the pot

[waxen oyster]

dont you get 2

on plexus anyway

[balmy condor]

Lust and potion are like

40 seconds

[waxen oyster]

I mean i just pop it right as i press my cds because fast fingers || your mom can verify this ||

[young reef]

TWW class tuning changes, assassination rogue buffed 100%! Log in!!

[tawdry halo]

Nah I ain’t falling for another bait

[lethal arrow]

they got me playing sub

[tawdry halo]

your guild hates you confirmed

[vale fox]

yea i have it macroed to DM but i was wondering if i get more dps if i pop it as lust is popped

thats why i asked

cuz it takes like 5ish seconds to set up and then you DM

[balmy condor]

Nah

[vale fox]

so is that 5s making a difference?

ok

just pop on DM then

[grim jay]

I mean what would you be amping before your CDs are running?

[coral ibex]

since there’s no ld window after dm for fatebound would it make sense to hold dm for the last ~20s of a fight assuming you don’t lose a use

surely that results in the highest peak when the boss dies

[fresh kelp]

risking a kb usage too

wouldn’t be able to hold too long

[grim jay]

Idk how that would benefit you

The only way would be either some more prism stacks or if you would somehow be in execute range because of it, the latter cant be the case since you would be there way before

Factoring both out, you just juggle when you deal damage and when you dont

Which certainly doesnt change your overall dps on the fight

[dusty phoenix]

I mean you are not wrong but I am not sure if you meant it that way. If you look at the snapshot of your dps at the moment during the last seconds of the fight, it will be peaking. But what you are doing is essentially just delaying that peak so your Overall dps during the course of the whole fight does not change from it. You are just risking the Boss dying before your CDs finish ticking. It would be a gain if there is some amp Phase or any dps increase in any way like a new prism stack like davyn said

[vale fox]

do you hold cds for plexus intermission?

or pop them asap

[dusty phoenix]

They should come somewhat naturally if you pop on cd

Just not always at the moment you get to the Boss during shield

[deft geyser]

what is a good chain pull for us? only if vanish is up?

[red schooner]

When there's multiple mobs from last pull still with bleeds up

[grim jay]

^that dont die immediately

Gotta atleast live long enough to spread new ruptures

And ct

[safe patrol]

if its time efficient for the grp and key, my rule when I play assa and tank asks I just say its chill but dont chain when mobs are just abt to die

if they do I try my best to finish it off and spam stealth and pray I dont get in to combat with new enemies

[safe patrol]

to sum up I kinda tell em to go with your normal flow but dont be a cringe lord at the same time to a certain degree

[pulsar elk]

whats the prio upgrade order again? weapons->trinkets->tier?

[waxen oyster]

mh>trinkets>chest/legs/helm generally

if myth

[idle plaza]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/armWfkQqxZz3bYGA?fight=last&type=damage-done can u guys help me to understand what i am doing wrong atm ❤️

[vale fox]

i forget what is our execute talent?

i wanna read the tooltip

but im having a brainfart rn

[tawdry halo]

zoldycks something

yeah thats it

[vale fox]

thanks

[golden loom]

Some random notes: starting off, kinda low ilvl -> only 3/4 tier set -> no enchants -> not running the delve belt, you had instant poison on for a pull but seemed to notice it should be deadly poison
Rotation stuff: in the opener you send 5 garrotes in a row, not only are you just wasting combo points but not spending on finishers, but you also only ruptured once when you atleast should have 5 ruptures out. In the 2nd pull you dont ambush or anything so I am pretty sure you dont have a mark out, and again just spamming garrote

[cinder bobcat]

do we still go bleed build for low level keys?

[shadow scaffold]

Hi, I’ve read I should just macro tea with shiv, do I use it all times or it’s better to separate the two?

[narrow siren]

in single target with the m+ bleed build is clear the witness or ambush with blindside the priority?

[golden loom]

yes

[grim jay]

Macro and forget

[grim jay]

Shouldnt conflict with eachother

[shadow scaffold]

Perfect, thanks

[golden loom]

If you are just perma highrolling blindside procs you would ofc use the clear the witness proc before it times out

but yeah use your procs

[narrow siren]

makes sense yeah i get hella blindside

[golden loom]

at the end of the day its just a free ambush

doesnt do extra damage or anything

[honest lagoon]

Wait, we use the FoK proc in ST?

[golden loom]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[idle plaza]

dont we need garrote and rupture to be on 5 target then do normal rotation?

or just use it once and then go normal rotation?

[golden loom]

atleast 5 ruptures and you use garrote as your builder during carnage if there still are targets without it
But when you send 5 garrote casts in a row thats 15 combo points and hitting 3 -> 2 -> 2 -> 2 -> 2 targets assuming you just cleave of the same target

So usually if you open without combo points you would ambush -> garrote -> rupture -> rupture -> garrote -> garrote (can be mutilate for spatter)-> CT or smthin similar

[celest blade]

I suck at rouge still, but here is your deathmark on hooktail; i don't see shiv, and you vanish 20 sec after ur deathmark - if u gonna use it not for bleed spread, use it with ur deathmark for imp. garrote and 20% crit. U also had 10% uptime for Crimson Tempest - bleed keeps up crimson tempest in ST same as rupture and garrote (which are close to 100% there so good job on that)

[boreal arrow]

Hello guys, how can I improve on this fight ? https://fr.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GQvcHjA6PgfzMbyw?fight=11&type=damage-done&source=7 It was first down, I focused on staying alive mostly but I want to do better on reclean next time, a bit of help is welcome. 😉

[golden loom]

would probably switch out jastors if you have another 704 or smthing ring cause this buggy ass ring is barely working

[golden loom]

oh and this coldblood should be macrod to kb, here you completely waste a stack

[white mulch]

@balmy condor
Hey
I think u really underrate double use forge + prism

It deals WAY better than 704 antenna if u have 710+ forge but haven’t 710 antenna or smth else

(Fractalus, 710 prism+714 forge)

[ebon prism]

what are we looking at

cant u just sim it?

[grim jay]

"I dealt damage" isnt really a valid approach

[ebon prism]

didnt even get a 100

[grim jay]

It is better than some passives obviously, but it also sims higher in those cases

[boreal arrow]

did not drop any good ring yet in keys 🙁

[boreal arrow]

ok i'll change this asap

[golden loom]

yeah happens

but treat jastors as like a 690 ilvl ring or smthin

[waxen oyster]

is the guy just leaving out

how 67 people did more damage

without double on use

[boreal arrow]

does haste/crit ring 704 better ? losing 7800 mastery is huge.

[supple spindle]

sims aren't taking the bugges jastor into account, right?

[golden loom]

sims are simming it with the effect working as normal

[supple spindle]

k

[balmy condor]

I even optimized prism + forge in sims yesterday and I still can't make it look good

[white mulch]

A u sure?

[balmy condor]

I mean there's probably some demonic timing where you could make it look presentable

but like

am I undervaluing it

[golden loom]

well assa likes all stats and a 704 ring is like 800 or so more total stat + extra stamina

[balmy condor]

or are you overvaluing it cause you got a good parse

[boreal arrow]

ok, so changing ring and tuning stats with gems enchant and probably recraft

[golden loom]

yeah its not the biggest deal but run some sims and see what you have etc, I just think getting away from jastors is a mental save 😄 @boreal arrow

[boreal arrow]

oh, and if i'm not wrong fatebond does not care about mastery

[grim jay]

Yeah I said some, except antenna obviously. 60k is a swing of pretty standard rng btw, so you might not notice it at all in a try or a couple

[supple spindle]

no? why?

[boreal arrow]

cosmic damage, not related to poison or bleed

[supple spindle]

yeah no

cosmic has part nature damage in it

[tawdry halo]

he's cooking

but not well

[waxen oyster]

if only

there was a website

that did gearing choices for me

[grim jay]

Cornhub?

[dry shoal]

!cloak

[waxen oyster]

anyone wanna make one?

[grim jay]

Oh

[golden loom]

mastery and the other stats are still good for fatebound, the only thing is that it likes crit more than deathstalker usually but simming is the real answer

[tawdry halo]

maybe it could use math to figure out the best combination of items or something

[boreal arrow]

already did but as sims is taking jastor without the bug, it is still better, way better

[golden loom]

yeah theres a line you can add to the expert settings to get rid of the effect if you really want to

[normal mist]

I just replaced my jastor once I had a 700+ ring

[vale fox]

YO

[boreal arrow]

oh, ok i'll look

[golden loom]

but yeah its probably totally fine idk

[vale fox]

i keep getting teleported in my raid group

by one of the party members

who tf does that

they are bullying me

xd

[normal mist]

Swapblaster

[boreal arrow]

but I'll keep running Dawn or PSF for better ring this night

[vale fox]

is that a toy?

[normal mist]

An item

[vale fox]

thanks

[normal mist]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=111820/swapblaster

[tawdry halo]

oh god swapblaster

the entirety of WoD raiding

[normal mist]

I use it till this day

Good to get people faster to the boss... Or to kill them

[tawdry halo]

literally never seen it used for good

only evil

[supple spindle]

if i recall correctly, not all people get the bug, right? Where do i look for that specifically, cuz my jastor also outsims other rings i got. Does this buff uptiime means it's working properly?

[golden loom]

Theres stuff in the pins

But yeah its inconsitent

[normal mist]

As rogues we can actually speed some things up like swapblasting the slowest guy to the front and shadowstepping

[tawdry halo]

i prefer to bully my guildies into rolling a non-wheelchair class

[normal mist]

Ahahah

[supple spindle]

oh i see, thanks

damn it's totally cooked

[viral axle]

hey can someone tell me what i can improve on? or if im doing something wrong, because i felt like i did everything correctly. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CrdLpA3WYqByj8nv?fight=57&type=damage-done&source=5

[tawdry halo]

first thing I can see is you missed vanish on your opener

nevermind im dumb

and cant read

[viral axle]

my heart stopped there for a second, would be embarassing if that was the case xD

[tawdry halo]

just ended my workday in aus so my brain is cooked

my b on the heart attack

[balmy condor]

@white mulch like I promise you, I tried to make double on use work, but even after optimizing it:
6 min: -1.4%
5 min: -1.3%
4 min: -1.2%
EXACTLY 5:07: -0.7%

That 5:07 is basically the best case scenario for forge + prism that can possibly be considered, and you can SEE WHEN ITS CASTING THE TRINKETS. It's araz on pull, prism with 1:30 dm, araz on 3:00 dm, and then it sends a 17-18 stack prism at the 4:30 dm in execute. It even uses the 2 stack prism at the end of the fight to try and get value right as the fight is ending.

Like idk what you want me to do but -0.7% is not even remotely close and I cannot conceive of a better way to double-on-use. I'm genuinely out of ideas. Even in the best case scenario of your exact 5:07 kill time with no variance, I have to sim a 35% miss chance on antenna just to make it EQUAL

So idk man. You can say I'm undervaluing it all you want, but literally tell me how I'm undervaluing it, cause I don't fucking see it.

I've put fucking TIME into this shit

[white mulch]

First of all
Ty for ur attention and time, I really appreciate it, bro

[rotund oak]

[white mulch]

About 35% miss , I feel I missed more than 35% in some pulls, cause boss really hates sometimes and u do kinda jogging left right routine and miss really a lot

[quiet oar]

Thats when all the Trinkets are same ilvl right

[rotund oak]

both 723 on sim

[quiet oar]

Tbh, Double on use might only be play on DMG amp fights

[rotund oak]

[quiet oar]

on sub Double on use is also "not" the best

But the Timings of the Fights with Adds and Dmg Amps make it better

But thats more a thing you have to try rather than sim

[rotund oak]

it wont rly get better than that sim though,most likely

[quiet oar]

Ye its only a Niche Situation thing

[rotund oak]

can see externals being a thing

or idk some rng procs

but normally

[quiet oar]

Like ill prolly just play double on use, because i have Forge and Prism on Mythic and no Antenna not even Heroic

[rotund oak]

antennas overrated and they polute the environment fam

better go wireless

or wait antenas are wireless

[white mulch]

Wifi

[rotund oak]

idk find something

[quiet oar]

[rotund oak]

😂

wifi technically is signaling from antennas btw

[quiet oar]

Whisp typing a lot

[rotund oak]

yeah someone getting nuked,i hope i survive

[red schooner]

It was nice knowing you

[quiet oar]

[rotund oak]

[sand jewel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grim jay]

Its really really close tho

But even more killtime sensitive fe

[quiet oar]

Anrenna is 0.7% better on my sub

[red schooner]

He's still typing

[grim jay]

Thats really really close

[balmy condor]

sure, a fair point that we can double check, here's some high ranked logs from other classes:
99 parse hunter, 14/15, 7% miss
Rank 1 feral, 15/16, 6.25% miss
Rank 1 unholy, 28/28, 0% miss
Rank 1 Ele sham, 17/17, 0% miss

"but those aren't rogues and those guys are literally rank 1". Okay so here's 10 rogue logs, sub and assa, ranging from 67 parse to 100 parse:
Rank 1 assa, 13/15, 14% miss
99% assa, 15/15, 0% miss
98% assa, 24/24, 0% miss
97% assa, 25/25, 0% miss
90% sub (eleem my goat), 13/14, 7.2% miss
78% assa, 13/14, 7.2% miss
78% assa, 19/19, 0% miss
87% sub, 12/15, 20% miss
68% assa, 18/18, 0% miss
67% assa, 9/10, 10% miss

But maybe those guys are too good and just got unlucky or something and they're secretly the 2025 antenna ball gobbling goats of the world or some shit idunno, so here's 5 more rogues from the literal piss shit grey single digit parse circle of hell

3% assa, 16/19, 16% miss
2% assa, 19/20, 5% miss
7% sub, 18/21, 14.3% miss
4% sub, 17/19, 10.6% miss
23% sub, 11/11, 0% miss

and like that's nearly 20 logs of antenna, with the worst being 20%, most being between 0-10%. COULD YOU have a 35% miss rate on a random shitty pull? Sure, I guess. But are you really gonna tell me that if we use a baseline miss rate which is nearly TWICE as bad as the WORST log in this bunch, and then sim actually perfect kill time conditions to use araz + prism, we get EQUALITY?

Be so fr right now, literally what am I supposed to do

[grim jay]

On the top profile its 0.2% tho

Which is basically what I meant

Probably has to do with crit on gear

[balmy condor]

like I optimized the usage conditions, I nearly doubled the miss rate on antenna to compare against, I actually can't do anything more

I'm giving double on use

the literal BEST CASE SCENARIO

[red schooner]

I'm still surprised fatebound is the play on araz. It feels weird rolling FB on an aoe heavy fight

[balmy condor]

in all regards

and it's fucking equal

I can do a lot of math magic

but I'm not jesus himself

the numbers just ain't addin up no matter how many times I try and add em

[grim jay]

You had much more impact on my life

[grim jay]

Ikr

[quiet oar]

Well Timings are better

With 45 sec and 90 sec

For adds and dmg amp

[solar wyvern]

And ds single target makes me wanna jump...

[golden loom]

surely fixed this reset

[tight ginkgo]

you can multiply my bread and fishes any day

[red schooner]

Yeah but also, its fatebound. In AoE.

Also the timings don't mean shit when the 4 set just decides to not give me cooldown reduction sometimes

Thanks game

[grim jay]

Its kinda the same as fb st, so its probably sin that makes you wanna jump

[idle plaza]

big upgrade i believe no?

[grim jay]

[solar wyvern]

I mean its aoe, but its only aoe for like 8 second intervals every 30 seconds

[red schooner]

Sim it, it might be

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simulate-gif-8199108223823847654

[idle plaza]

yea but what should i sim?

[solar wyvern]

Nah man ds st is much lower at least for me

[grim jay]

Ah you talking about numbers, I wouldnt jump for numbers, just for the overall feel

[grim jay]

The neck I suppose

[solar wyvern]

Oh just on araz haha

Yeah assa st is assa st feel.wise

[idle plaza]

no like dungeon slice or patchwork?

[grim jay]

Whatever you are gearing for

[idle plaza]

just for keys

[grim jay]

Then obviously dslice

[idle plaza]

and like is it normal that i suck balls in ST ?

[grim jay]

Keys are always dslice

[red schooner]

Slice it is

[red schooner]

Yes

[grim jay]

Depends on how big the balls are you suck on

[idle plaza]

cause i finished big momma with 9.5 dps and then the other bosses are like 2.3 2.5

[grim jay]

2.3 is way too low

[idle plaza]

THE BIGGEST ONES

yeah returner player from s1 still trying to remember

[grim jay]

2.8 ish is reasonable with bad CD lineup

[idle plaza]

dont have 4 set tho

and i have 619 ilvl hands XD

no delve belt as well

[oak eagle]

go get your delve belt lmao

it takes half an hour

especially as a rogue

[golden loom]

half an hour to cap it

[idle plaza]

have this atm

[golden loom]

2 min to get the inital belt

[oak eagle]

just go farm fungal folly over and over and speedrun that shit on t1

still think delve belt is the way to go

i mean at max stats of the crit one it gives like 11k crit, no?

[idle plaza]

no? 😄

[oak eagle]

i dont know the amount of stats it gives, hence the question mark

[golden loom]

I mean delve belt is very good

[oak eagle]

^

go get the delve belt

takes 5 seconds to get it from the console in dorn, and then half an hour at most to get the upgrades

if you use the crit amp on the belt

it gives you 12k crit

at the end of the duration

go get the belt

[golden loom]

this is a dungeon slice if I were to fully upgrade the myth belt I have compared to the delve belt

[normal mist]

He just complained about having 619 gloves when I told him yesterday he could craft 675 basically for free with weathered

[oak eagle]

yeah wtf

go craft 675 gloves too

bros slacking

i was able to fully gear my alt priest in 675 gear from all the rep turn ins i had

surely you have enough weathered from doing LFR on your rogue

to go craft 675 gear

[idle plaza]

huh? 😄

[oak eagle]

huh what?

brother

[idle plaza]

why double on use and crit haste neck o.O

[oak eagle]

go use 60 weathered crests

make some hands

and make an offhand

[idle plaza]

brother 😄

i wish i could LOL

[lusty kraken]

I wonder if they will bother fixing the bugs this reset

[oak eagle]

are you capped?

[idle plaza]

nope

started my rogue yesterday

[oak eagle]

THEN GO GET SOME

[lusty kraken]

or just spam m+ and you will get some eventually

[idle plaza]

LOL GIVE ME THE ROUTE AND I WILL

[oak eagle]

GO DO LFR

[idle plaza]

lfr drops weathered? :d

[normal mist]

How the hell did you get 240 gilded so fast

[idle plaza]

idk dude

[lusty kraken]

hell you could probably buy some shitty boe gloves from AH

[idle plaza]

ehe

spammed 10's LOL

[normal mist]

You're getting carried ain't you? XD

[idle plaza]

HEY

[oak eagle]

yes

fs

[idle plaza]

we dont talk about this

[oak eagle]

brother please

go do like 6 lfr bosses

[idle plaza]

i willl

[oak eagle]

go get your 60 weathered

so you can MAKE SOME FUCKING HANDS

SO I CAN THROW MY HANDS AT YOU

[idle plaza]

LOL

[unreal sparrow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[faint quartz]

"Dry Shiv, several buffs need to be active, the main one being Lingering Darkness in addition to Darkest Night."
Does this not apply if using tier set 4pc?

[boreal arrow]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[idle plaza]

yo brother i dont understand why crit haste neck is better then mastery versa one can u explain?

and why double on use

[red schooner]

Don't double on use

[idle plaza]

but sim says best for that? thats why i am asking

its obvious that i am using a trash trinket but i need to understand the basic maybe more agi thats why?

[red schooner]

...what other trinkets do you have?

[idle plaza]

tbf i just have 3 701 trinkets

signet / lily / and other trinket from eco dome

but 13% haste is kinda nuts LOL

[normal mist]

Don't look at stats

If robot says it's better, it's better

[red schooner]

Its either you believe in the robot or whispyr strangles you to death.

[idle plaza]

i want him to strangle me no worries :3

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

There’s still time for patch notes right

[balmy condor]

Don't mean to be annoying, but if you don't trust all of the other stuff I said, we can also napkin math it by hand

Here's your stat weights with prism + antenna, crit is at 56.35, agi is at 37.7, so 1 point of crit is almost spot on 50% more valuable than 1 point of agi

And here with prism + forge, crit at 58.2, agi at 38.64, also 50% more valuable

Stat weights are kinda stupid, true, but I think we can generally agree 1 point of crit = 1.5 agi. That at least seems fairly stable, even when swapping out trinkets. So lets start just adding up numbers as a sanity check.

You can follow along and check the math if you want, here's the log again. So in your first araz, you did 230mil damage, in your second you did 207mil. Those deathmark windows where you pressed araz then account for 437 mil out of the total 1.47 bil you did, or roughly 30% or your damage dealt. That's pretty impressive, but lets break that down a little cause araz decays

The first 20 seconds of your first araz accounted for 197mil damage, the second did 173mil damage (total of 370mil or 25% of your damage dealt) and given you have a 714 forge, that's 35728 agi, and the decay is linear, so in 20 seconds that would be at 11909 agi, or an average of 23818 agi during that time frame.

The other 87 mil happened after that point, so would be the average of 5954 agi during those 10 seconds.

So if 1 agi is 38 dps for your total damage, and the first section is 25% of your total damage, and it's 23818 agi, that's 23818 x 38 x 0.3 which is 226,271 dps from the big burst effect, followed by 5954 x 38 x 0.05 which is 11,312 dps for the rest, that's a total of 237,583 (obviously super rough and you could keep slicing it into smaller sections for more accuracy, wait a second hold up that's just a riemann sum isn't calculus cool and interesting? I'm far too lazy to do a riemann sum by hand, but you don't trust the sims so we're doing this half-assed thing now)

This guy right below you in parse has a 33% uptime on antenna. If you don't wanna do that, here's your own sim, with the insanely high 35% miss rate on antenna, still at 29% uptime. If we do a more reasonable 15% miss rate, we get 34.5% uptime

So I'm gonna low ball that and say 30%, that's like a 33% miss rate. 30% uptime seems good. Since we need to compare the effect to the math we did for your 714 forge, we need a 714 antenna. Luckily that's a known value, 5678 crit. It's up 30% of the fight, but we gotta know how much you did without the forge.

So you did 4.794 mil dps over 307 seconds with your forge, we know forge power itself added 237,583 dps, and we know the passive crit on it is 1936, which is 112,288 dps, so a total of 349,871 dps. That's the number to remove, and the number to beat. So removing the forge we're looking at 4,400,188 dps over 307 seconds, or 1,350,857,716 damage.

Antenna is 5678 crit, that would be a passive 329,324 dps, up for 30% of the fight is 109,775 dps. The antenna is also 6610 agi passively, which is 251,180 dps. That would mean that if we low-ball the number, antenna would be worth roughly 360,955 dps

that's a difference of 11k dps. Given 35% miss is equal, and 30% miss is -11k dps, with a margin of error of +-2900 dps, that puts the napkin math basically spot on what the sims are saying as well, even with perfect conditions with a really high miss rate.

Anyways, thanks for letting me do math, very cool, I'm going to bed now

[warm vortex]

(Spoiler: there isn’t’)

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-2088247993237804628

[white mulch]

Shiiiish
Looks like kinda graduation math research

Lemi read it attentively please 😅

Good night though

[balmy condor]

(the point is basically no matter how I do any of the math, I cannot find any explanation for why double on-use would be notably better)

[red schooner]

What if you disregard maths and equip based on vibes instead?

[warm vortex]

Gun rogue 👀

[white mulch]

Bro
To be honest , yesterday u did everything that I asked on Sunday and sims becomes way better with double on use

Today I just said that it not so bad on real encounter

I feel kinda bad that u did soooooo much math now , sry please 😅

[oak eagle]

only way i can explain it is that it wants you to have a little haste? what talents are you simming as?

[balmy condor]

It was pretty fun honestly, no apology needed

[hidden plover]

i have a simillar sim thing where i have a veteran ring that just wont be replaced no matter what i sim lmao

[white mulch]

❤️

[warm vortex]

The GoAT

[idle plaza]

these are my talents i switched the neck and saw my mastery goes above the cap so maybe thats why?

[oak eagle]

yeah youre playing bleed build, you want a bit more haste in bleed build for single target

it would probably be different if you were simming in proper raid talents

[frigid lagoon]

If the set bugs and you get 2 procs reducing ven/kb do you wait for ven to come off CD or send KB?

[novel star]

you just hold everything to make it line up like the bug didn’t happen

hold kb for cold blood and hold dm for 1:30 trinks / 2nd kb+cb

[frigid lagoon]

Ic thanks

[idle plaza]

wait weathered craft doesnt want spark?

[oak eagle]

no

thats why its easy catch up gear

[faint quartz]

@balmy condor
WoWhead says this:
"Dry Shiv, several buffs need to be active, the main one being Lingering Darkness in addition to Darkest Night."

Does this not apply if using tier set 4pc?

[oak eagle]

its the expansion blues upgraded to new ilvl

[idle plaza]

gothca thanks and 1 last question when to shiv?

[lusty kraken]

why would it not

[oak eagle]

what situation are you talking about when to shiv? and raid or m+?

[lusty kraken]

I start to understand what whispyr is going through

[oak eagle]

LMAO

[idle plaza]

m+

[lusty kraken]

some of you have no reading comprehension whatsoever

[idle plaza]

not gonna do raid with my rogue

[normal kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/nouns-dao-nounish-noggles-glasses-gif-8644289077630287367

I am JESUS Praise me !!!

[oak eagle]

i usually send shivs during deathmark obviously, and then the 2 outside dm i usually just send when the mobs are around 40% or so so it dips into our execute a bit

[red schooner]

Why read when I have vibes instead

[idle plaza]

so dont use shiv at the start of the combat?

like i am thinking about gambit first pull

[lusty kraken]

just make whispyr your personal AI assistant

[idle plaza]

we did garrote rupture rupture and garrote

then normal rotation 7 cp to envenom

[oak eagle]

well gambit first pull youll have deathmark running, if you arent sending shiv with deathmark youre trolling

[red schooner]

Exactly. I just post something horrendously incorrect, then whispyrs Spidey senses tingle and 5 minutes later he'll have done all the working out for me

[raw furnace]

Yo quick question but in mass Aoe situation how many targets do you actually apply your bleeds on ? ( 5 just for scent of blood or more ? )

New rogue out here don’t murder me Please .

[idle plaza]

oh and shiv only applies to the main target right?

[oak eagle]

no, it hits main target + 7 others because of arterial percision

[lusty kraken]

I think the rule was 5 targets always, more if the mobs actually live long enough

[oak eagle]

bottom left of sin talent tree

thats what also increases your bleed damage

[idle plaza]

hmm gotcha

so shiv after the bleeds spreaded?

[oak eagle]

yes

you press shiv when pressing deathmark

you arent pressing deathmark instantly

thats useless

[idle plaza]

OH DEATHMARK

[oak eagle]

???????????????????

[idle plaza]

i always thinking deathmark as the hero tree XD

that was deathstalker mark LOL

[oak eagle]

????????????????????????

our 2min cd

deathmark

[idle plaza]

yeah i know

i tought it was deathstalker mark

and tought deathmark was the herotalent XD

[oak eagle]

bruh

[red schooner]

Good naming conventions blizz

[red schooner]

Nah that's a reasonable mistake I'll give him that

[raw furnace]

Okay so basically if the tank pull 10 targets I should try to aim 10 rupture / garot on opener ?

[oak eagle]

granted, ill give it to him that he hasnt played for a bit

but still

[idle plaza]

so burn 2 stacks of the shiv with the deathmark i believe

[oak eagle]

yes

[idle plaza]

since we shiv into deathmark then after shiv shiv again

[oak eagle]

yes

and then my other 2 i sent when mobs are getting towards 40%

[lusty kraken]

I am far from a good assa player in m+, but you shouldn't overthink it

[idle plaza]

gotcha

[lusty kraken]

also it's probably more important to spread ruptures than garrotes

could be wrong

[oak eagle]

i usually send 6 ruptures, 3 into main target that has mark, and then target swap for another 3

[golden loom]

well not really

5 ruptures is enough for scent and then a couple extra dont hurt, but garrote is your builder during IC until everything has it

[oak eagle]

they generate the same amount of energy from venemous wounds

oh wait

am i supposed to be garroting everything?

[idle plaza]

when u amrk btw?

[oak eagle]

im dumb

[golden loom]

if there is stuff that isnt garroted

you arent pressing fok

if you are in ic

[oak eagle]

oh

im dumb then

ive just been sending 6

[oak eagle]

i do it after i spread bleeds

if i have darkest night going into the pack

if its the very opening, its the button i press outta stealth

[golden loom]

should just always ambush out of stealth

even if you have DN

[oak eagle]

i was told to break that habit

[golden loom]

like lets say you have mark and combo points going into a pack you can do the following:
Ambush -> rupture -> rupture -> garrote -> garrote -> mutilate for spatter -> spatter the darkest night -> garrote -> garrote -> CT

that way you have the most important part of your kit out (mark) while spreading bleeds and getting to spatter a DN

cycling the mark is way less important than having it out

like the mutilate there could of course be a marking ambush aswell but then you have had 4 globals of no mark on the target

[oak eagle]

thats fair

[raw furnace]

Okaaay I kept track of how many bleeds i applied on my target and always tried to have as many as possible but it’ not mandatory if i understand correctly

[fallow trail]

We do crit on the DISC belt, yes?

[golden loom]

can sim between that and the mastery one yeah, but crit one is a safe bet

[idle plaza]

how many weathered it wants for the crafts?

[oak eagle]

30 per craft

so i told you to make 2 things so you want 60 crests

[faint quartz]

I've seen this in icy-veins

[lusty kraken]

I think it's more important to get the dry shiv done

you have a small window to do it anyway

[golden loom]

Just shiv on 1 stack and then you envenom

[faint quartz]

So, if you are at 7CP, about to hit the Darkest Night, you shiv it anyway, despite the Shiv counting down one Mark with the 4 piece tier set?

[lusty kraken]

i think that's the correct play in that situation

could be wrong

[sterile hollow]

Hi wanted to ask if Assa should prio killin Infused Tangle on Mythic Loom’ithar. Watched a few videos and it seems like almost all Assa players focus almost entirely on the boss

[golden loom]

No the correct play is to have 1 mark stack, realize that and then shiv envenom

[golden loom]

Hit boss only

Can rupture snipe the tangle for energy

[sterile hollow]

great thanks

[faint quartz]

Apologies, I’m still confused then.
I think I’m misinterpreting this wrong.
Wowhead says to dry shiv when you have darkest night up, but icy-veins is saying not to shiv when darkest night is up?

[idle plaza]

i believe i should craft as mastery crit right?

[golden loom]

yes those things work together, so in this situation

I am in lingering darkness, I have a shiv charge up

instead of buiding past this mark and getting darkest night that was, which would then lead to a situation where if I shiv, I waste the tier set mark deduction

I can just shiv here already cause I am on 1 stack -> and then envenom

which is the dry shiv

[idle plaza]

eyyyy 700 ilvl lets gooo 😄

[frigid lagoon]

What execute does assa have? How does it work?

[faint quartz]

But doesn’t Wowhead say that a dry shiv is when Darkest Night is up? As in, when you have 7CP envenom?

[frigid lagoon]

Ic thx

[golden loom]

yes you shiv to buff the darkest night, but with tier if you shiv on 1 mark stack, you GET darkest night

[normal mist]

Maths

[golden loom]

so like here, I am in lingering darkness, I have darkest night and shiv is coming up

instead of just slamming this shiv, I can have a bit of foresight and see that there is still a lot of time on lingering

so I can darkest night -> build to 1 stack of mark and then still get a dry shiv off

[dawn seal]

hello

@golden loom

help me out

do u still play bleed build on keys

[golden loom]

ye

[dawn seal]

do u do good boss damage

if u get packs on boss ?

[golden loom]

yes

[dawn seal]

really

I thought assasination was shit on bosses

[golden loom]

well on pure st yes

but with packs you do insane dam

[dawn seal]

we are talking about

packs that live and not die

asap

right

[golden loom]

idk depends I guess

but yeah

if the pack dies within 2 seconds of the bossfight then its not really funnel

[woven basin]

Can you Tell ne Tahe weakaura PLZ?

[normal mist]

Not with that attitude

[golden loom]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[golden loom]

its whispyrs and then I have swapped around stuff in the way I live

[golden loom]

also if I am low on energy etc I would just have sat on 1 mark stack here waiting for shiv to come up @faint quartz

[idle plaza]

what consumes we are getting?

[red schooner]

Non-sponsored water

[idle plaza]

that would be great actualyl

[serene tusk]

hello, if i rupture a target with indiscriminate carnage up, will it just keep spreading to the ones without rupture if i spam it?

[plush umbra]

yes

but keep in mind that applying a new rupture to a target without rupture will add 3 ruptures in total

[red schooner]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[serene tusk]

oh shit that's actually life changing. been manually clicking each target individually

[serene tusk]

thanks this is very helpful

[normal mist]

You're welcome

[red schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/spock-the-simpsons-nothing-gif-26374553

[oak eagle]

yes that would be best

[faint quartz]

Thanks for being patient with me.
In this screenshot I just took, is this what being in Darknest Night is? Having that 7CP glowing with Whispyr's WeakAura?
If so, isn't a Dry Shiv when you Shiv in this state? And doesn't that go against Icy-Veins recommendation of not Shiving when Darknest Night is up?

[golden loom]

yes this is darkest night
so in my example the mark has 1 stack, it starts of at 3 stacks
After you consume these 3 stacks you get darkest night
Every finisher at 5+ combo points consume 1 stack, and with the 4 piece tier set, shiv also consumes 1 stack

so in my example, shiving would consume the final stack of deathstalkers mark -> giving me darkest night

[faint quartz]

So when you're at 7CP, you Envenom, and you get that buff, and a Dry Shiv is when you shiv within that 30 second interval following?

[golden loom]

No, the dry shiv only ever follows deathmark (2 min cooldown), because in the 30 seconds after deathmark expires you have lingering darkness

again, this is a minor minmax (its worth like 0.7% damage), so if you are getting started with assa or whatever, I wouldnt focus too much on it

[strange moss]

for sin in soul binder (using wowhead soul binder talents) why does my combo points go blue sometimes.. im using luxthos wa is this some kind of indicator?

[faint quartz]

So with the bleed build, do you just keep Shiv on cooldown? And then hold charges when Deathmark has about 30 second cooldown left?

[golden loom]

think its worth even less in m+, you kinda just shiv twice during deathmark and then shiv on cd with bleed build

in raid build you are running amp poison, twist the knife, supercharger, etc that make dry shiv even better

[faint quartz]

Any tips for spreading bleeds in big m+ packs when you’re caught outside stealth with no indiscriminate carnage? I feel a bit overwhelmed trying to manually put rupture and garotte on multiple targets, especially with garottes cooldown

[golden loom]

you dont bother garroting outside of carnage outside of having it on your main target

[faint quartz]

Oooh. But still keep spreading Ruptures, right?

[golden loom]

5 ruptures for scent of blood is enough but yeah gotta have them out for that buff + energy gain

[faint quartz]

How fun and simple would it be if indiscriminate carnage was always on.
Got a couple other questions.
-Do you use action targeting (setting that auto targets what’s in front of you)?
-Why do we Deathmark and then immediately after shiv, and not the other way around? Doesn’t shiv buff the initial Deathmark damage?
-Where does Crimston Tempest sit in the priority order in single target (bleed build)?
-In AoE situations, where mobs are being moved around by the tank, how do you track where you’ve left your Deathstalker Mark?

[balmy condor]

• you can have carnage always on, but in return garrote and rupture get nerfed by 50%
• I’ve never seen someone use it, that’s mostly for controller use
• deathmark is a dead gcd that would waste uptime on shiv. What “initial” damage are you referring to?
• under darkest night and rupture, above regular envenom
• most mark it somehow through a nameplate addon, either color or texture or something

[grim jay]

Wouldnt be fun at all.

No.

We do shiv before DM depending on situation.

Over normal envenoms.

A good plater setting or just not swapping targets at all

[grim jay]

Dang

[ancient pasture]

In AoE situations, where mobs are being moved around by the tank, how do you track where you’ve left your Deathstalker Mark?

i read this as if he thought it was on the ground, and wanted to track where it was

[balmy condor]

Don’t give blizzard ideas

[grim jay]

Will be like that hunter circle was

Where the tank will just pull everything out of it

[ancient pasture]

mark the ground, all enemies in the area has doubled ruptures and garrotes

cant you bully Blizzard into fixing the assas bugs @balmy condor ?

[light grove]

Do we use Crismon tempest during mono/duo target boss encounter in mm.+ ?

[grim jay]

Always ct

[severe meadow]

Yes

[grim jay]

Was just asked before somewhat

[balmy condor]

I’m a nobody

[light grove]

Fk me i was thinking CT only at 3+ target

Ty guys

[severe meadow]

Surely we see a hotfix today

[light grove]

I just saw a vidéo where the guy use this opener: stealth garrot garrot rupture rupture ambush CT shiv DM is that good ? I dont get it why no ambush first.

[frigid lagoon]

@balmy condor lock the assa channel and make someone tweet about it

[tough hare]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtlety.

[grim jay]

Because he is trying to cut down on setup time, if you ambushed first you would need to mut for caustic

[balmy condor]

Yeah shut down the local book club and yell politely into my pillow until Taco Bell brings back the quesarito

Same energy

[red schooner]

You're John Wowhead himself

[light grove]

Ok so is doing good Ty bud

[grim jay]

Its definitely an option ye

[balmy condor]

As if blizzard could give even an ounce of a shit about a class community on some 3rd party platform

[grim jay]

Im still mildly annoyed they scrapped the plans to bring taco bell to germany outside of the military

[scarlet orbit]

and my goat. He always helps me out when i have a stupid question

[severe meadow]

Especially one of the least played classes

[balmy condor]

“Oh no r/wow is angry”

Ahhhhhhh

What will we do

Ahhhhhhh

Not the redditors

Ahhhhh

[scarlet orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/money-crying-woody-harrelson-wiping-tears-with-money-gif-6945518

[golden loom]

What if we meow for bugfixes instead

[bright tartan]

Blizzard

[red schooner]

Meow

[balmy condor]

This could fix me

[red schooner]

Maybe this is what varas has been trying to accomplish for years

[golden loom]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-cat-gif-27161697

[red schooner]

We've decipherer the code

[golden loom]

Look at the sad cat blizzard

[wide quail]

I saw that too.. I tried to do what he suggest. My dps was lower than usual 🤕

[golden loom]

All he wants is caustic to focus back up

[grim jay]

Yeah it literally wont have that much of an impact

[balmy condor]

Let me apply caustic to 5 targets at the same time blizzard

You cowards

I want to melt the servers with an infinite caustic feedback loop

Is that really too much to ask for

[grim jay]

Wait until deathmark doubles caustic and they buff arterial to apply a caustic to each target hit

[golden loom]

Maybe they tried my idea of singular focus spattering

[red schooner]

Blizzard please make sudden demise give caustic damage. It'd just be funny. Thank you.

[severe meadow]

Uncap IC

I wanna garrote 17 targets in one click

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/the-door-is-open-you-may-leave-gif-15357849

[golden loom]

Blood and thunder?

[bright tartan]

It’s easier to make it an aura

[grim jay]

It would also be dumb af

[balmy condor]

Okay okay hear me out right

Poison bomb, but red

[red schooner]

Send it

[balmy condor]

And they call it “caustic SPLATTER” with an L this time

And then we laugh at all the noobs that think green puddle is caustic spatter

And we go haha no u stupid

That’s poison bomb

[bright tartan]

[balmy condor]

And then they go “but red is poison bomb”

And we go haha no stupid

That’s caustic

And their brains explode

Truly I’m an innovator

[grim jay]

My brain would explode if someone would think red is poison

[red schooner]

What if I added some food colouring to my normal poison

[balmy condor]

And I think we also need mark of death

But not marked for death

Just a new thing

And then they bring back marked for death

So we can play marked for death mark of death deathmark deathstalker’s mark