assassination

[crisp venture]

im playing assa but im potentially going to go sub since i feel like it has a better balance of aoe and st

[warm vortex]

Also simmed some shiz and im sad the super good PvP trinket on my hunter is meh on assa

Makes sense

2 min cd or 45/90

So 1 min wouldn't be the best

[subtle tundra]

idk but sub makes me wanna cut my balls

cooldown manager spec

no ty

[ebon prism]

[crisp venture]

i prefer it in keys for add fights on bosses

[plush wasp]

ok if its skill issue i can work on that. thank you whisp! love your vids

[wicked carbon]

That's all the fun of it lol

[balmy condor]

I believe in you

[wicked carbon]

Assa is too repetitive imo

[crisp venture]

needing to have vanish or manually apply ruptures makes me wanna kms

[balmy condor]

(its still bad though)

[warm vortex]

What, your vids?

Jkjk pookie

[hearty seal]

tbh I feel ya, this season has several instances where the mark target just goes away rather than die

[warm vortex]

christmas jok

[balmy condor]

honestly yes

I just turn on mic and yap for the most part

that's about as low quality as it gets

[wicked carbon]

Nah

[warm vortex]

Fair, i personally like them but i understand what you mean

[wicked carbon]

The info is gold

[warm vortex]

Yea, but i think he means in terms of video quality itself

Not the info within

[balmy condor]

yeh

[marsh ferry]

Losing your mark on that fight is unfortunately unavoidable. Remember to use vanish to apply your mark to the warpstalker during the cleave part, so you can keep your mark until the next intermission

[balmy condor]

the info is fine, I don't make a video unless I think the info inside it is worth talking about

but the actual video quality itself is uh

not great

I can recognize that

[wicked carbon]

I personally couldn't care less about flashy edits

[balmy condor]

but I'm not a video editor guy

[pulsar elk]

I have a couple questions because im overall confusing myself: When reapplying bleeds during their pandemic window, its 5+ combo points right? If I have darkest night going into my next pull, would I just ambush to apply death mark so i wouldn't waste time and during a pull would i prioritize applying DM over my bleeds or get the bleeds out then apply DM?

[balmy condor]

I also just simply don't have the time to record the video like 2 sentences at a time

[warm vortex]

Yea, i agree.
But it's to inform people, not entertain

Or primarily

[stark matrix]

They’re not really all that bad (and I am)

[balmy condor]

and splice everything together

video editing is like

a ton of work

[grim jay]

which is just wrong, it is avoidable, hence skill issue

[balmy condor]

I can slice stuff together and whatever like I did for the bug video

but jesus christ I could do literally anything else

[warm vortex]

Yep

[balmy condor]

I do have to put in a little bit of effort on thumbnails though

[warm vortex]

I mean, your not gonna read a newspaper and have it structured like someones personal website

[balmy condor]

those actually matter like a lot

[hearty seal]

it's avoidable but you need to basically get DN only a couple seconds before the jumps start

[warm vortex]

Yea

[warm vortex]

Couldn't you just, get DN, then send a 6cp enven instead of a 7

and hold it to apply the mark for the intermission

[grim jay]

there are multiple ways to go about it

[hearty seal]

if you hold DN for 10 seconds and then jumps start
you lose it

[marsh ferry]

Fair enough, although I think the cleave is still a good usage for vanish

[balmy condor]

saying it's "unfortunately unavoidable" when it's entirely avoidable is just insane

[stark matrix]

You have decent video quality for your camera, your audio quality isn’t abysmal, you have good information. Honestly it doesn’t need fancy edits but if you do want to learn more I’d recommend downloading DaVinci Resolve @balmy condor

[hearty seal]

like you need to be rather precise with DN timing on that boss

[marsh ferry]

Yup, my b

[wicked carbon]

I don't think so. People who interact with your content aren't the type to go for flashy thumbnails. They just care about the info. Anyone that's attracted by the tn will leave within the first seconds of the vid because of the edit 😂

[stark matrix]

Black magic has done a fantastic job with making a good editing software and putting out learning materials

[grim jay]

no, you have quite a few seconds and you can cycle through mark stacks really quickly, especially with tier set shiv

[warm vortex]

Yea,

[balmy condor]

all finishers at 5+ unless you have darkest night, then it's max

yes you would ambush

yes you prioritize darkest night over your bleeds (in aoe you want to get caustic spatter up first obviously to spatter the giga envenom)

[warm vortex]

Like just look at when he is going to jump and just know knot to have DM up when it happens

You can easily tell when the boss is going to dismount

[balmy condor]

that's already what I use for the minimal editing I do

[stark matrix]

Then you’re on the right track 🙂

[balmy condor]

you might not think so, but the difference between thumbnail and no thumbnail is like easily 40%

[stark matrix]

Iirc they have a bunch of in software tutorials

[balmy condor]

I don't make a ton of money off youtube, but getting 40% more clicks on shit is easily worth the effort to shitpost something in photoshop

[hearty seal]

dunno
always feels like a very tight window
then again half of my runs people fail to do it in two cycles, which is crucial to having DN not fall off

[stark matrix]

Thumbnail is one of the most important pieces, it along with the title are the snapshot to show the person what they’re getting

[warm vortex]

Whispyr just gets his cat to edit things

[balmy condor]

for big channels they actually do the thumbnail before they make the video

like if they cannot get a good thumbnail for a video

they don't even bother making the video itself

[warm vortex]

I remember getting Kira to put that in the comments of one of his shorts
so thats like what

2 extra clicks

massive

[balmy condor]

shorts are icky

[wicked carbon]

In general yes but whispyr's content is so niche that he would get more clicks but they would lead to no engagement imo. Especially since he doesn't put too much effort in the editing

[balmy condor]

the payout on shorts is 0

[ebon prism]

Kira is why everyone hates sin rogues now. He put a short out that said big sin rogue nerfs

[balmy condor]

it's basically just advertising yourself

[stark matrix]

That’s not how thumbnails work

You’re not going to attract people who likely weren’t interested in the topic to begin with

[warm vortex]

That's the video i got him to comment on lmao

[ebon prism]

Oh hahaha

[warm vortex]

As whisp said, barely makes a diffrence

but still

(The top link was there after the comment)

[ebon prism]

Wow then it got pinned!!!

[balmy condor]

I appreciate the pin and stuff, but the problem is that the damage was already done at that point

[warm vortex]

Yea

and not a lot of people look at comments

[balmy condor]

people just be saying "15% loss" now

[warm vortex]

They see it and move on

[ebon prism]

Yeah

[warm vortex]

I / Ii / II / I_

[ebon prism]

I think Kira said higher

[wicked carbon]

tbf even casual says -10 to 15% in his video title

[wheat hill]

weird little issue, does anyone not get the "knives" animation when using fan of knives?

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean 10% you can kinda argue depending on how you slice it

I wrote this up earlier let me go find it

[wheat hill]

character just does a little spin with nothing coming out of her

[ebon prism]

Oh yeah Kira did say 15

[wide sand]

buy more daggers, you dont have enough in your bag probably

[warm vortex]

Also whispyr just remembered something i found funny

[ebon prism]

LOL whispyr, the last part of that

[stark matrix]

Honestly at this point I should just respec outlaw and just recraft everything next week

[wicked carbon]

xD Poor outlaws

[stark matrix]

Wdym poor outlaws

[warm vortex]

I mean atm im playing SV and having the time of my life

[stark matrix]

Outlaw doesn’t have this problem

(Yes this is dishonest and not the actual picture for most people but still imagine getting beat by Aug at 99th percentile)

[wicked carbon]

Idk exactly what's going on but outlaw mains have been complaining a lot this season

[sonic zinc]

idk man

[ebon prism]

Lol! Rip

[stark matrix]

Reread what you replied to

[ebon prism]

I wish outlaw was good. Game keeps giving me haste vers gear

[sonic zinc]

i mean i just posted heroic 95th percentile boss damage

so

of all boses

[white mulch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[stark matrix]

It is

[wicked carbon]

I've legit seen 1 aug this season

[ebon prism]

Iunno if u think sin has issues getting into 14+ keys, outlaw prob has it way worse

[warm vortex]

Still has more parses on H dimmy than SV XD

At least last i checked

[ebon prism]

Lol 1200 outlaw parses and 14k frost dk

[wicked carbon]

People are sleeping on SV

I watched Petko playing his yesterday

it looks fun af

[warm vortex]

When i got my AoTC kill i was like
one of 350 SV parses

[wicked carbon]

lmao

[warm vortex]

Ok dave

ill get out

Ik what your gonna tell me

[grim jay]

while I personally think survival looks insanely goofy and the style isnt everyones cup of tea either

it has a bad reputation and people dont really care for fun in 2025

[warm vortex]

Imagine playing for enjoyment in 2025

[wicked carbon]

Mythic Fractilius xD

[warm vortex]

Yep

[wicked carbon]

That's the whole list btw

Literally no log for nexus

[warm vortex]

SI mean looking at frac

Apparently affli has less parses?

[wicked carbon]

It actually does great damage too

[stark matrix]

I just need them to release my new dh spec

[grim jay]

but it isnt meta

or close to it

[icy geyser]

feels bad man

[grim jay]

[ebon prism]

Yikes toxic community

[wicked carbon]

lmao

doomed

[wicked carbon]

Haha you got that after slamming a key ?

[icy geyser]

braindead ppl

[wicked carbon]

Someone should actually link that to blizz

[warm vortex]

Just farming HoA for the idol

run like 18 or smth

[grim jay]

well its the idiocy of people not knowing actual numbers, pulling smth out of their ass and sharing that with the world

[ebon prism]

If blizz even fixes the bugs, sin will be so overpowered right?

[ebon prism]

Like 8-10% gain back up?

[grim jay]

yeah it will be a whopping 2% better overall!

insane

we will go nuts

[ebon prism]

No, it's not 2% if they fixed all

[icy geyser]

probably best spec in in M+

[normal mist]

The reddit energy

[wicked carbon]

Man you make me wanna learn it

[grim jay]

if the relevant bug for m+ is -4% but we gain 2% from sb being bugged

it for sure is only a 2% gain if they fix all

[warm vortex]

I mean if you wanna get into a hunt spec rn prolly just MM if your ok with a ton of RnG

[wicked carbon]

Nah I don't really care about hunt

[icy geyser]

whyspr said something about 6% in his video, if I am not mistaken

[normal mist]

AoE we're at around 10% loss give or take

[wicked carbon]

It's just survival it looks cool af

[grim jay]

source?

[normal mist]

Whispyr video

[grim jay]

its funny because I watched that aswell

and I dont see 10% for m+

[warm vortex]

Goated dps breakdown btw
Anyway imma stop talking about hunt and go and do some workout because i need to do it :D

[wicked carbon]

lmao what is that xD

[normal mist]

I could rewatch it to try and find the numbers again

[warm vortex]

Didn't he say he was making a p2

[normal mist]

Probably

[icy geyser]

instead of fixing classes, they release new transmogs KEKW

[normal mist]

Real end game

[ebon prism]

But that cosmic hearthstone looks really good

[grim jay]

doing so as we speak
sanguine blades 2% GAIN
NO loss instead of 6% on momentum because follow the blood is equal
singular focus + caustic at roughly 4% in raid, which is probably more in raid as it becomes a smaller part in m+

[warm vortex]

Don't you run momentum in some riad fights tho

[ebon prism]

Follow the blood is only 5% instead of 6% so -1%

[grim jay]

we are talking about m+

[warm vortex]

Ah, gotchaa

[grim jay]

oh no, so we will be 3% better if they fix all bugs

we will skyrocket

break the +35 barrier

[ebon prism]

Nice 😏

3% is pretty nice. Ret bitched and moaned and got a 5% right?

[grim jay]

they got a 5% remotely disconnected from their childish display

[lyric gate]

HOW THE FUCK THERE ARE NO ROGUE CHANGES

on reset

icant

[icy geyser]

they still need to fix ST damage for bleed build, I don't know...feels bad to do tank damage in bleed build

[grim jay]

its tank damage if you suck

or exaggerate

and to compensate for more st they would need to take away aoe

[orchid pewter]

No need

Assa fun sub fun

Both strong

Just be happy

[lyric gate]

??

[icy geyser]

zerocool simed ST for bleed build and got nearly the same as his monk tank

[orchid pewter]

Well thats nothing new

[lyric gate]

bro we have like 10 bugs

what do you mean

[orchid pewter]

Who cares

[stark matrix]

Idk but tanks kinda crank this season

[lyric gate]

i do

[orchid pewter]

You dont even interact with 99% of the bugs

[grim jay]

incredibly strong source of credible information and we all know that sims are there to compare dps between specs, even more so with tanks because they only dps, right? RIGHT?

[ebon prism]

First boss 16 dawn

[normal mist]

17:03

[orchid pewter]

You only know because the ass man told you

[warm vortex]

Are patch notes even out yet

[icy geyser]

you would do the same on last boss, 2nd boss in priory

[orchid pewter]

Idk, just play sub

[stark matrix]

Uhhhh are you implying that the optimal surivival rotation is different than the optimal damage one?

Because that’s going to be wrong in most cases

[grim jay]

yeah just that the context is that they FIXED a bug (6%) which took damage away and he added that to the CURRENT BUG (4%) to get a 10% loss

which doesnt mean the bugs are 10%

[icy geyser]

why? why would you need to reroll to another spec and not be able to play the spec that you enjoy? just because some ppl are not doing their job?

[grim jay]

im implying that its a mood point and you dont compare sims in the first place

as they arent there to replicate actual performance

and vary wildly between specs

[lyric gate]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/war-within-class-tuning-incoming-–-september-3/1937024?blzcmp=app

[orchid pewter]

I mean you dont have to if you dont want to, but i think its stupid if people complain about bleed pure st

[stark matrix]

I don’t think that’s really a great point

[orchid pewter]

Bleed would be batshit broken with st dam

[stark matrix]

Sims aren’t inaccurate

[runic hinge]

Bleed would get its aoe nerfed with ST dam. Which would nerf our raid dam

[stark matrix]

They just don’t give you the whole picture in terms of how a spec can behave in specific conditions outside of the norm

[grim jay]

they arent designed to be compared between specs or even classes at all and it will always result in false information, every credible TC will tell you that

no need to argue

[runic hinge]

Please don’t post stuff from last year

[stark matrix]

Why are you posting a 2024 post

[lyric gate]

lol someone linked to me

icant

[runic hinge]

Tuesday is the second

[orchid pewter]

You can play the spec you want, just accept that your spec is not the best in every scenario

[runic hinge]

Don’t get baited

[orchid pewter]

Thats just stupid to think

If that was the case we wouldnt need 39 differen specs

[icy geyser]

yea but because people spread the word that your spec is bugged, you don't get invited to keys...

and that hurts

[grim jay]

they are doing their job, thats why the specs arent the same
some things take longer some dont
all that

if you just want the same specs with a different skin you might wanna play ffxiv

[orchid pewter]

Yea thats not it

[lyric gate]

not on purpose

sorry

[stark matrix]

This can’t be true. If it was, then sims aren’t accurate information to begin with. They’re good for exactly what they are simulating, bog standard patchwerk etc.

[grim jay]

they are literally only for gearing choices

and talent choices

[orchid pewter]

You dont get invited because every key, until you reach very high up, there is always somebody in q with more score and more gear

[grim jay]

not for any comparison between specs or classes

@balmy condor please help me on this one lord

[balmy condor]

what are we doing

[lyric gate]

summon the whisypir

[stark matrix]

How can the results for one thing be accurate and not be accurate for the other

[orchid pewter]

Oh no the dragon has been summoned

Gg

[grim jay]

we are saying comparing sims between classes and tank vs dps is great and reliable info

with we I mean griff

[balmy condor]

oh well yeah duh

[stark matrix]

Like clearly real world performance is going to be different, but that’s due to real life fights not all being exactly what is simmed

[balmy condor]

obviously super reliable

I mean okay

[orchid pewter]

Just relax and login guys, just play poe 2 for a bit

[balmy condor]

in order to be able

to compare simulations

we agree that they have to be set up under similar pretense?

like the implementations need to be equal

comparing 5 min 1 target patchwerk is fine

but the things you're actually comparing

need to be similar

like that's a good baseline to set, correct?

[stark matrix]

Sure

[balmy condor]

nice, already doomed

[stark matrix]

How so?

[balmy condor]

simulation implementations are not standardized

so if we agree that the things we're comparing need to be on equal playing fields

it's already over

before we even discuss anything else

like it's already doomed

[stark matrix]

And realistically then how incorrect are the sims then?

[balmy condor]

depends on what your definition of correct is and what you're comparing against

do you think sims should have every 0.1% gain imaginable in them?

do you think sims should be unrealisitic to play for humans

and be perfect robots?

if no, where do you draw the line of realisitic

[earnest remnant]

i remember a certain someone going in to fix destro AoE rotation, and suddenly the spec showed to be turbo broken on AoE sims

[runic hinge]

No clanker is perfect

[ebon prism]

Are u allowed to say clanker in 2025?

[balmy condor]

havoc APL is doing gcd math to check for casts and they're maintaining it with AI

[haughty flicker]

i prefer the term wireback

[balmy condor]

it's unreadable and completely alien to any human looking at it

but they max it out

with every 0.1% gain imaginable

[ebon prism]

LOL

[balmy condor]

they just chalk that fucker full of literally anything they can find to get the number up

[haughty flicker]

number go up

[earnest remnant]

didn't enchance also used to be extremely bad in terms of being able replicate it in ingame

[haughty flicker]

is the only important part

bigger number means you're a better tc

[stark matrix]

The point I’m really asking, is that outside of sandbagging, how far off will most of them be from actual performance in the same scenario

[runic hinge]

I heard that recently

[balmy condor]

I mean again, that depends on how realisitic the sim is

[stark matrix]

Or weird stuff like havoc

[balmy condor]

assa sims are pretty much spot on to how players can do

havoc is easily a couple % off

once you leave the realm of patchwerk 1 target 5 min, all comparisons also instantly fall apart

[stark matrix]

Because for as long as I’ve played prot warrior, its been pretty accurate to my own performance and is certainly maintained for proper play

[stark matrix]

As is expected

[runic hinge]

Something about putting fries in the bag

[balmy condor]

like if you're going to compare across spec/class for 1t 5min, you can MAYBE get away with it within like a 5-6% range given you understand the caveats and pitfalls of the two things you're comparing and what specifically you're comparing against

anything other than that is just a crapshoot

but if what you're doing is just "this number is 3.1mil and that number is 3mil, what gives"

that's braindead

you're basically just comparing the price of green and red apples

they're both apples but like

they are very clearly not the same thing

[stark matrix]

Green>red

[wicked carbon]

And that's exactly why people find dungeon slice unreliable

[elfin flame]

yo whispyr

with bleed build

[ebon prism]

It's shindig

[icy geyser]

[elfin flame]

is garrote still worth pressing over fok in indiscriminate carnage window if garrote is only being appleid to 2 new targets

like

can i just spam garrote on the prio mob as long as the cleaved garrotes are being applied to new mobs that live meaningfully long

[wicked carbon]

That's what most top logs do

Like first pull Priory/Floodgate

[balmy condor]

yes

[grim jay]

m+ logs

[balmy condor]

garrote from stealth hit like your father after a 6 pack

apply to everything

[elfin flame]

ok wasnt sure what the break point was i think sometimes i get caught up trying to be fancy and mouseover stuff but i lose globals

[jolly stirrup]

Jesus Whispyr

That tooth really got to you

[ebon prism]

Shindig, are u still doing sin for all keys?

[balmy condor]

my wisdom tooth was the only thing holding my sanity together

[ebon prism]

I haven't tuned in to stream in a bit

[elfin flame]

i have bad news for u

[jolly stirrup]

Frfr

[ebon prism]

Oh no

[elfin flame]

i havent played since bugs

ive been too depressed to play assa

[stark matrix]

Obviously he’s an outlaw chad now

[ebon prism]

[stark matrix]

[elfin flame]

also thanks!

[balmy condor]

kinda blown way outta proportion with people saying 15% btw idk

people just been throwing numbers around

[sonic zinc]

its 32% bad

[elfin flame]

i have not heard htis

[balmy condor]

kira made a short

saying 15%

[elfin flame]

shoutout kira

[balmy condor]

and it's been giga parrot-town since

[icy geyser]

kira spreading nonsense since evere

[amber brook]

Atleast no one can beat shindiggs soul binder parse now

[balmy condor]

the only way you could possibly get to 15% is if you don't count the positive buffs, count the caustic nerf as a bug, and then take momentum of despair

[grim jay]

I mean I am not surprised since people even attribute the fix they did on caustic double dipping to the loss from bugs

ye

[elfin flame]

this is funny i got a huge log and then the spec got nuked

[calm ibex]

Bro how do i pull more damage outa fatebound raid?

[amber brook]

Saw that 8mil and I'm like that ain't doable now

Especially not when boss dies before 3rd set

[icy geyser]

@balmy condor is worth playing FTB with hybrid build in dawn and streets because of smaller pulls?

[balmy condor]

no

I can like

ALMOST see an argument for fatebound in streets

ALMOST

but just thinking about that as a possibility kicks some bile up into my mouth

[sonic zinc]

do it for science

[balmy condor]

I mean they did

[haughty flicker]

or just play sub

[balmy condor]

charrend ran it back on fatebound on PTR

and he was cursing at me after

[sonic zinc]

ah

[ebon prism]

Rofl

[icy geyser]

than DS with hybrid or just stick to bleed build and cry over no funnel on some bosses?

[grim jay]

idk why people think hybrid would do anything good if its just worse than bleed in every scenario

[ebon prism]

Charrend abandoned sin now right? He only does sub in keys?

[balmy condor]

bro was calling me slurs and shit he was pissed (he did not do any of that)

[amber brook]

What's there to funnel if tanks dont bring mobs in

[balmy condor]

well DS hybrid is already doomed to shit so it's probably better than that

[elfin flame]

but ya i imagine sin is still fine in keys i just havent played it mostly bc i think i have more to learn/gain from playing other specs rn and with assa bugged i have something pushing me away to try other things

ill return at some point

[balmy condor]

it's totally fine

they did 18 eco dome and shit with it

the doom is just massive

[wicked carbon]

meta was always a perception thing

[stark matrix]

I need to farm outlaw gear

[icy geyser]

I wanna see the routes for f1 assa rogue that has 3.6k score, but unfortunately if you import the route from RIO to mdt, it shows 3 overall pulls that make no sense

[wicked carbon]

Great thing about sub is that you can use same gear as assa

[elfin flame]

i mean part of my doom is that it's not liek the spec got nerfed but rather it has a bunch of interactions that clearly aren't working that affect it negatively. which feels worse than if the spec just received some nerfs

its like damn this should be doing more but its not bc bugs

[stark matrix]

Real

[elfin flame]

that feels worse than damn this should be doing more but its not bc nerf

[balmy condor]

ye

I mean I get it

[amber brook]

I believe in the next reset!

[balmy condor]

but it's one thing to be like "dude these bugs suck why doesn't shit work"

[icy geyser]

also not being able to mount or invis after release, because dots are ticking on mobs and keep u in combat feels

[amber brook]

Surely we will get a blue post!

[balmy condor]

and another thing to be like "dude these bugs make the spec unplayable I do 0 dps now, reroll time"

[icy geyser]

I don't

[balmy condor]

cause the first is just like

genuinely sad

the second is delusional

[elfin flame]

ya fair

[subtle tundra]

whispyr, you have my hopes and prayers, this chat is making me upset and i dont even partake!

[stark matrix]

Ngl I’m fine with not playing sin because tanks aren’t cool anyways and never let you restealth

[worthy jetty]

zerocool said on stream today that assa is the #1 M+ spec if you can find a tank to babysit you and give you every restealth

[balmy condor]

idk, bug this, bug that

m+ this, sub that

I'm just vibin in my jammies yo

[sonic zinc]

bro we killed bugs back in s1 why we gotta deal with more

[ebon prism]

Lil pupper

[balmy condor]

puppin it up

[amber brook]

What cash set items you got whisp

[icy geyser]

sitting in que for hours, not getting invited to keys, feels bad...need 3 more keys for resi 15 man 🙁

[grim jay]

oh no, restealth stuff again, whispyr stay safe

[balmy condor]

idk most of them are event stuff

some of the drip goes silly style

[stark matrix]

I didn’t say you needed restealth to do good damage

[elfin flame]

speaking of restealths i gotta go

[balmy condor]

but most of it just meh

[elfin flame]

gn

[amber brook]

Any vintage cash items from your inventory over the years?

[grim jay]

the only valid reaction

[stark matrix]

But manually putting up several ruptures without Indiscriminate Carnage sucks

[wicked carbon]

Assa damage doesn't justify allowing restealth rn imo

[grim jay]

yeah dotting on a dot spec should be a crime

[balmy condor]

my main still has the blackpink collab stuff, but I didn't come back until like 2022 so there's nothing crazy old

[wicked carbon]

Betteroff just chain pulling

[amber brook]

Ooff

[stark matrix]

That is a gross mischaracterization

[wicked carbon]

Don't even walk that hill Griff

They're delusional cause too many people come crying

[amber brook]

But your marksman got some old ass event cash item, I remember getting that pineapple ear

[grim jay]

its a hyperbole actually

[balmy condor]

they give that out every now and then, it's like semi regularly in rotation

[amber brook]

No shot

[balmy condor]

rough times being a blink these days though

yah it's the chu chu set

[wicked carbon]

I think Whispy had done the numbers right ? What's the dps loss restealth vs no restealth in sims ?

[grim jay]

the people that are delusional are the ones crying about restealths being insanely big, while they dont even know what is going wrong and that the tank doesnt properly chainpull

[amber brook]

I'm holding onto a one eyed reaper set

[balmy condor]

this is kinda slippery, cause like if I just remove all vanish and stealth from a sim, the number is going to obviously plummet

[stark matrix]

Greater than 0

[balmy condor]

but generally speaking, if you can pull the pack 4-5 seconds faster, its roughly neutral

[stark matrix]

Less than some wildly large number

[icy geyser]

waiting 4-5s is better than a pull taking 20-30s longer

right?

[wicked carbon]

Nah you don't lose 20-30s on the pull rn

[ebon prism]

Can just burn vanish every now and then tho

[wicked carbon]

Assa damage is too low for that

[grim jay]

if that were the case in any dimension, ye

[kindred breach]

or play nelf

[grim jay]

no nelf sucks for that

its mostly used to cheese mechanics, the restealth is unreliable at best

[kindred breach]

why though? extra vanish every 2 pulls is nice

[worthy jetty]

zerocool went nnight elf for the extra vanish

[kindred breach]

Yeah it can not get u in stealth but if u do properly it work 90% of time

[icy geyser]

is the nelf potion viable for us to restealth?

[balmy condor]

I think if I do this I have to keep in the original stealth at the start of else it literally can't ambush for deathstalker

[grim jay]

zerocool

[kindred breach]

nah it take the potion slot

[balmy condor]

HEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLL no

[ebon prism]

U def don't use that

[haughty flicker]

[icy geyser]

kush was thinking about it the other days

[balmy condor]

you would willingly give up your potion

for a meld potion

that maybe sometimes lets you stealth

that's insane

[ebon prism]

How do u do it with 90% success?

[wicked carbon]

maybe remove all talent that give a boost from stealth then and compare with normal talents.

No IC no MA no IG

[kindred breach]

When chaining pull, u go to next pack and meld like mid range from it

It almost never fails on those set ups

[balmy condor]

nah I just let it stealth on start

[kindred breach]

for me at least

but when melding during a pack

[wicked carbon]

yes but you need to account for the fact that you won't get those buffs on a chain pull

[kindred breach]

it fails obviously way more

[balmy condor]

?

yes

obviously

[wicked carbon]

aight curious about the result

[balmy condor]

bout 20% from what it looks like here

that's going to be taken out of context isn't it

[runic hinge]

Yeah

[grim jay]

yes

[balmy condor]

fuck my life

[kindred breach]

Screenshot guys

[grim jay]

thats exactly what I thought as you wrote it

[wicked carbon]

yeah makes sense. that needs to be weighed against the gains from a chain pull tho

[kindred breach]

https://tenor.com/view/we-got-him-we-got-em-gif-21922291

[wicked carbon]

imo restealth makes sense when assa is strong

Like PTR assa

But rn you can't justify not chainpulling if your assa is gonna lose 20%

[grim jay]

ye luckily sin isnt great on aoe

rn

[kindred breach]

Yeah i mean

Assa is huge rn

[balmy condor]

I think I can account for it, but I also need to make the pulls longer

[kindred breach]

tank need to pull on bosses

[balmy condor]

cause part of dungeonslice is that the pulls are like 20s long

[haughty flicker]

wtf no restealths is a 20% loss

im making a reddit post

[grim jay]

stop

for all of us

[balmy condor]

and obviously a 20% crit buff and carnage and shit when your pulls are 20s

is going to look huge

[warm vortex]

Whispyr said though didn’t he?

[balmy condor]

doing this shit is always such a fucking stupid headache

[grim jay]

[vale fox]

is sin rogue bugged rn?

[balmy condor]

read the pins

[kindred breach]

yes sir

[vale fox]

it feels like im 20% weaker than yesterday

ok makes sense

[balmy condor]

okay well

that's not how any of that works

[wicked carbon]

btw are the sims replicating the bugs ?

[balmy condor]

no

[grim jay]

its probably ragebait

tho

[balmy condor]

well

[vale fox]

also sorry for snapping at you. i was heated that night

[balmy condor]

some of them

[warm vortex]

Imma bounce before whisp has another breakdown

[vale fox]

great guides btw

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna be real, I have no clue who you are

[vale fox]

i checked them out.

[vale fox]

good.

[haughty flicker]

[vale fox]

first impressions matter and i was a lil fucker

i thought you were being a smartass

anyways it doesnt matter

[balmy condor]

I deal with far too many people to remember one spat

[runic hinge]

Yeah Whispyr is a spatter

[balmy condor]

one dude asked to be unbanned and he called me a pedophile and I like

barely remember that

so

[vale fox]

good. let it bounce off

[balmy condor]

if that's the barrier to entry for me to remember

then you did nothing

[ebon prism]

That was prob this guy

Jk

[icy geyser]

if no blue post regarding assa bugs this reset, we riot

[vale fox]

ok so back to rogue talk whisp

[haughty flicker]

did he get unbanned though

[vale fox]

we're bugged rn like a mofo no?

[balmy condor]

god I hope not

[ebon prism]

Yeah ret pallies represent!

[balmy condor]

not really, no

it's mostly just annoying more than anything

deathstalker in raid gets hit the hardest

[vale fox]

ah

[balmy condor]

that really sucks

in m+ it's just kinda "yeah that sucks man"

but nothing insano

[vale fox]

bro is it me or sometimes SB gives a shorter DM than intended?

[balmy condor]

that's the fatebound 4pc yeah

[vale fox]

ok so i wasnt crazy

[balmy condor]

thats got some bugs with it

that's probably the most annoying one of the bunch

[vale fox]

i was getting weird DM off cd and i kept checking my logs

[warm vortex]

https://www.twitch.tv/imexile/clip/CourageousBlushingClintmullinsTriHard-MV4OCo4OeCirf5Yd

[vale fox]

kept thinking i was ruining my lineups

[vale fox]

OHHH SO THATS WHAT THIS WAS

i didnt know what i was watching

whisper

question

since you're here

im super new to rogue. mained BDK and warlock. so excuse the noob shit

ok so: how do you play your cds on NK p3?

it feels like if i use full cds on Titan im late for burn phase

[balmy condor]

shouldn't be if you don't bug

fatebound's 1:30

burn is 4:30

so should just line up

[vale fox]

ahh ok guess im lacking in speed on the lineup

[wicked carbon]

check top logs cooldown timers

[vale fox]

i know for a fact im losing a total of 10s here and there

[wicked carbon]

best way to parse fast on a fight

[kindred breach]

lorrgs.io

is your best friend

[vale fox]

if anyone wants to give me pointers please https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/56509048

i really appreciate all feedback

i need to be better at rogue

also do yall spread any ruptures on platform adds on NK?

or just natural cleave with Caustic off titan

[wicked carbon]

I didn't know that one, that's goated

[vale fox]

this is sick

[balmy condor]

wait you're smashing though wth

[vale fox]

staahhp

[balmy condor]

aside from your nexus king what's the issue

[vale fox]

cant let this get to my head

[balmy condor]

this is pugs

[vale fox]

yes all pugs

im in NK rn

trying to fix that

we;re about to pull if i dont answer just know

also i have some shitty trinkets

i think ill really slam when i get my trinkets this reset

also peep the mog..

cant forget the mog

[balmy condor]

looks fine but you are rupturing the platform like a mfer

just let caustic do the work this ain't m+

[vale fox]

i was testing to see if its better

ok so no rupture spread on platform?

lemme try that this time

[balmy condor]

I mean you can rupture the ones that are dying for some extra energy

but you're hitting like 6, 7 ruptures on this platfrom

[vale fox]

of course rupture sniping like you said in the guide

[balmy condor]

that's for sure not it

[vale fox]

but i put rupture for the whole dmg

to try and add some dmg

so dont do that gotcha

[balmy condor]

yeah you just envenom

spatter will do more

[vale fox]

ok

[balmy condor]

rupture in raid is just energy battery

[vale fox]

this was what i was asking

just spamming caustic will do more

than me rupturing all of them

thanks man

[balmy condor]

yeh, rupture damage poop

np

[vale fox]

brb pull

@ me plz so i can read

[balmy condor]

cd wise seems fine-ish, just gotta rip the cds at 3:00 on the platform

[worthy jetty]

i have a noob question too - your guide says ascension is bis, but late game wouldn't 2x 723 daggers with dawnthread (wrist/belt) be better than the 720 dagger ascension with wrists?

[balmy condor]

tighten it up

[balmy condor]

no

[worthy jetty]

ah

[balmy condor]

offhand daggers are the worst item slot of any class in the entire game

shit is deadass worthless beyond belief

[worthy jetty]

good to know

[balmy condor]

so putting an embellishment on that is free

[icy geyser]

if we open with improved garotte, rupture, ct, caustic then dm, do we still vanish in the dm window?

[balmy condor]

sure, if you'd like and you don't need the vanish charge in the next 2min

go for it

[vale fox]

what embelishment should the offhand get?

[balmy condor]

ascendance

[vale fox]

like the main hand?

[balmy condor]

well once you get a 723 dagger, your mainhand becomes your offhand

[vale fox]

do you recommend I craft a 720 offhand?

this reset

[balmy condor]

you just move it over

no

you only ever craft 1 dagger

[worthy jetty]

i was just wondering because i got a second 723 dagger and curious if 2x 723 would be better

[vale fox]

wait you dont want it on your main?

[balmy condor]

it will not be

[vale fox]

why not

[balmy condor]

because you can get a 723 dagger

and 3 ilvl is good

[calm ibex]

Guys no troll but im really struggling to play fatebound in raid im doing in some cases 1-2m dps less than others playing my spec im also rather new to raiding rogue so legit any pointers will be like gold to my eyes! Can i post my log page here?

[balmy condor]

sure

[calm ibex]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/kazzak/meju

[vale fox]

check whispyrs guide on wowhead 1st

the opener is key in raid

and i mean KEY

[calm ibex]

the mythic logs are horrid and my heroic logs are okish

[vale fox]

i was also doing this stupid thing

where i was farming 7CP before every envenom

you want to rip at 5

[balmy condor]

okay so you're just like

not hitting your cds

like your plexus kill

it took you 2 min to hit your kingsbane again with your deathmark

which should've been 0:45 and 1:30

and then like you almost get back on track at 2:45

but then you hold everything again until 4:00

and then you died a full minute before the kill

when you're an execute class

and the last 35% is your bread and butter

so that's not great

lemme look at heroic maybe

yeh this looks a lot better okay

[calm ibex]

Yeah the mythic kills its been a wild ride tbh

[balmy condor]

bro you have 7 heroic loomithar kills in 3 days

are you good

[subtle tundra]

😭

[calm ibex]

Im just trying to get better

So im spamming raids with groups who dont mind saved people

[balmy condor]

fair enough, but feels like it should be a wellness check for doing that many heroic runs for fun

[calm ibex]

kekw

I feel you

[vale fox]

i lkie this guy. thats what im doing brother. all day just parsing to get these fights down and understand rogue better

[balmy condor]

yeah this still ain't right

I opened a random one of those loomi boys

you're still all over the place

that deathmark at 4:57

is nearly half a minute late

[calm ibex]

I feel i need to save cd's for specific phases

[balmy condor]

that's your 4:30 deathmark

on loom?

[calm ibex]

yeah like 2nd phase

[winged sun]

nah

[subtle tundra]

95% of the cases you press on cd

[balmy condor]

nah

[winged sun]

listen to whispyr cuh

[calm ibex]

should just spam it off cd?

[balmy condor]

yes

literally the moment it comes up

[hidden plover]

what about plexus do you just fire cd's on that one too?

[balmy condor]

yes

[winged sun]

delaying deathmark by 30 sec is essentially making you implement a reverse 4 set in ur brain

there's a reason why it sims so big

[vale fox]

wait whispyr what about araz

i found i have to hold a little for burn no?

[balmy condor]

zeross you wanna see the araz experience on assa?

[hidden plover]

seems there's a common theme here, that assa does not hold cd's

[balmy condor]

overall so sad

[winged sun]

show me

[balmy condor]

but then boss damage parse

very ethical

[winged sun]

[balmy condor]

[winged sun]

not bad not bad

[vale fox]

how

[winged sun]

ngl i could see sin blasting off if deathstalker worked

was that fb btw?

[balmy condor]

ya

[vale fox]

how did you get that 100?

[balmy condor]

boss damage

[winged sun]

thats quite good

[vale fox]

ohh

i see

[balmy condor]

fatebound does shit for aoe

[vale fox]

i see you down there whisp

the only one

[balmy condor]

yah I mean

[vale fox]

lol

[balmy condor]

there's some gigachad korean in 12th

[vale fox]

i know that guy

[balmy condor]

but his group is demonic

[vale fox]

been watching his logs for weeks

[warm vortex]

The jerry pfp has returned

Normality has been restored

[vale fox]

trying to catch knowledge off him

[balmy condor]

the knowledge is literally just demon-run

[vale fox]

wait whisp

this is mythic no?

[balmy condor]

yes

[vale fox]

holy sub

[balmy condor]

araz is a very good sub fight, yes

[vale fox]

do you know sub?

or just pref Sin

[balmy condor]

I played it last expac but it's felt super whack to me since dragonflight

and hero talents haven't made it any better for me

so I just haven't played it really

[vale fox]

i agree that Sin has the best Hero Talents

the most game changing

[hidden plover]

too many buttons to press, i find it hard to learn

[vale fox]

sub is fun but i dont want to relearn the cds

so im sticking Sin for now

until im finished gearing

then ill dabble into all specs

[winged sun]

i have this feeling fb assa might just be better later on for araz

[warm vortex]

On sub or rogue?

Because assa doesn't have too many

[balmy condor]

this was the last time I played sub, I was on duck duty for all of council and that tindral kill was prog kill

[winged sun]

with the adds dying way faster u could prob pump some good boss dam

[vale fox]

DB Sin is probably Top ST

and i love that

[balmy condor]

but I was rank 17 all stars with assa that patch

[hidden plover]

on sub, can't seem to grasp the rotation

[balmy condor]

definitely not

[vale fox]

no?

it feels like im slamming ST

[balmy condor]

deathstalker sin on araz is easily like 8% behind in ST

there's not nearly enough adds for deathstalker to catch up

[vale fox]

ok

you reminded me

another question

how do you maximize the DS mark?

in soulbinder

like whats your strat

[balmy condor]

idk what you mean

[golden loom]

Hit boss

[vale fox]

cuz i just spam it on the boss

[balmy condor]

you just do the regular rotation

[vale fox]

do you like use it on any dying mob to get 2 kinda?

[balmy condor]

oh god no

[vale fox]

maybe im thinking about it the wrong way

[balmy condor]

you never hit adds

[vale fox]

ok good

[winged sun]

idk if ur asking for a specific minmax but all i can tell you is that you need to land a darkest night on the 2 adds that spawn left and right for u to parse okay

[vale fox]

i thought im supposed to juggle it

[brisk forge]

Boss is main

[winged sun]

since they die too fast

[vale fox]

ok good info i need this

[winged sun]

like

dont force it

just do it if its possible

[golden loom]

By landing a DN on them he also means spatter

[warm vortex]

Do damage
Kill boss
Don't die
Win

[golden loom]

Dont DN the adds

[winged sun]

ye

[warm vortex]

Dn the sheilded conduits he means

[vale fox]

i really thought "hmm these top guys must be Darkest night a dying mob and then they have it back instantly for boss envenom"

[warm vortex]

Trust

[winged sun]

that fight will just be rng on ur parse

so it doesnt matter

[balmy condor]

bring 5 sales to it

[golden loom]

I parsed way better pugging it on warrior

[balmy condor]

bring 15 sales

[warm vortex]

play with like
5 healers and 14 tanks

[golden loom]

Cause the adds lived forever

[warm vortex]

the last phase doesn't exist it cant hurt you

[winged sun]

i nuked it as sub

[balmy condor]

yeh

basically ever ds fight is just a sub fight

[winged sun]

big padders in my guild little did they know i saved shadow techniques and nuked the adds out the wazoo prespawn

[balmy condor]

[vale fox]

i wonder where outlaw lands in all this with their flat dmg

[warm vortex]

Forge might the only fight where i have to swap to BM to play so that sugs

[balmy condor]

on the bench

[golden loom]

Played it twice as sub, think I am a bit better at sub now tho

[vale fox]

LMAO

ngl the new KS animation for outlaw looks sick

to me at least

thank god im not teleporting around dying

anymore

[hidden plover]

can you grab talents from warcraft logs or no?

[golden loom]

My soulbinder logs

[vale fox]

that has to be mythic no?

[golden loom]

Yea

[balmy condor]

you can

[warm vortex]

I had a simmilar start kek
Heroic tho

Starting Mythic on tuesday

[balmy condor]

very nice.... now lets see paul allen's survival hunter

[vale fox]

im lowkey building my parses rn

[winged sun]

pad vs no pad

[vale fox]

to get into a M guild

[balmy condor]

ethical gaming

[warm vortex]

[golden loom]

Banger

[balmy condor]

what the hell is this

[vale fox]

Hah

survival arc

[warm vortex]

Not being geared on SV for most fights and playing BM on most

[balmy condor]

I am also ethical

[warm vortex]

(On both pulls of salad i died)

Or well

on one i played MM and rolled like a dingus

[balmy condor]

just sort by boss dam, easy +50 all star ranks

I am coping so hard

[vale fox]

whisp is antenna and prism bis?

[balmy condor]

ye

[vale fox]

ok

[calm ibex]

Holy shit Whisper with the sauce! thanks for the insight

[vale fox]

pray for me

[calm ibex]

Already doing better

[warm vortex]

Also when i killed heroic dimmy there were like 350 SV praes

I didn't have an on use and a heroic weapon

[hidden plover]

shindig's casutic spatter went brrr on soulbinder

[balmy condor]

yah pressing cds is good

[calm ibex]

Kekw

[balmy condor]

he did it pre-nerf

[calm ibex]

Who woulda thought

[warm vortex]

Also had this

[golden loom]

Hey thats a good way to fix gally

[warm vortex]

Because 2 priests Pied me at the same time for some reason

[vale fox]

whisp is fuming that shindig was the one speaking for rogues on Max's tier list XD

[balmy condor]

also not sure what's going on, but every now and then I see this shit happening and idk what the hell is up with that

or like

why

[warm vortex]

Blud is thirsty

[balmy condor]

nah shindig the homie

[warm vortex]

leave him be

[vale fox]

wait this never happened to me before. thank god for macros

[balmy condor]

going on max's stream is also like

[vale fox]

is he intentionally doing it?

[balmy condor]

very exhausting

cause he'll just randomly dm you like "hey, tier list?"

and you're like yeah when

[vale fox]

im just playing. im sure he's cool as hell

[winged sun]

max is perma ragebaiting

[balmy condor]

and he'll just rip a call insta

[winged sun]

24/7

[balmy condor]

and you're like

??????????

bro

0 planning just cold calls you in front of 25 thousand people

[golden loom]

Based

[hidden plover]

lmao

[vale fox]

max is at a level rn in the wow community he can make a fcking rare spawn tierlist and ppl will fight over it

[vale fox]

ngl thats the best way to do it

just doing it live

fuck it

[warm vortex]

I like Max tbh
Enjoy listening to the poddyc and his unban streams are funny

[winged sun]

i mean he did a poe ad stream that had under 1k viewers so he removed the #ad the next day just to get 2k+

i mean people kinda see that some of his streams are omega pointless

like

they look forced

so just no one watches 'em sometimes

[vale fox]

its his literal job

[warm vortex]

I frogt who did it, but i remember someone spinning a wheel to decide how they did the tierlist prepatch

[winged sun]

ye it is

[vale fox]

if i made that money from youtube and streaming..

you think i wouldnt do it daily?

[winged sun]

i'd do the same for sure

[hidden plover]

when was caustic nerfed @balmy condor

[winged sun]

but whenever he does an actual stream it pops off

8k-10k viewers easily

[vale fox]

but i also as a consumer understand how ppl will start hating cuz fck monetizing me homie

Xd

[royal lantern]

or worse

bri*ish

look at all that tea wtf

[vale fox]

easy

not even purple parsing

[warm vortex]

Oh yea Naowin spun a wheel to decide where specs were

It was amazing

[balmy condor]

uh..... like 3 weeks ago? 2? dunno

[vale fox]

ngl i enjoy when he undercover raid leads

[warm vortex]

Ended up with this piece of art

[warm vortex]

Yummers

[vale fox]

boomies as per usual just eating good

fcking tree huggers

im happy what sylvanas did to them

[winged sun]

did anyone witness zerocool's fatebound key

[balmy condor]

okay so the 19th

2 weeks ago I guess

[vale fox]

no

[balmy condor]

was it zdps

[winged sun]

let me tell you

[vale fox]

was it good?>

[winged sun]

he absolutely did not pump

[vale fox]

figures

[balmy condor]

expected value

[icy geyser]

in M+ is worth taking numbling poison or atrophic?

[vale fox]

i was like no wayy he did good??

[hidden plover]

caustic still doing most dam tho and up there with the shindig parse