assassination

[rotund oak]

wanted to play my Undead or Tauren but orc won me

[velvet cairn]

most likely yes

[ebon prism]

In a pull of 10+, is priority to keep at least 5+ ruptures up, CT up, caustic spatter up, and then just fok into envenoms into spatter target for highest overall damage? How much do the garrotes contribute?

[lyric gate]

just watch whispyrs video

bro took 2 hours to explain it for everybody

respec tthe hustle

[velvet cairn]

garrotes are about 8% overall, i think rupture is about 12% overall. but you should do scent of blood into getting ct and spatter up

[ebon prism]

Yeah I do that. Do around 15m on decent sized pulls with DM up

[velvet cairn]

then if u can dot the rest into cds imo

[ebon prism]

Just after scent of blood into CT and spatter, I deathmark shiv and spam fok envenoms into it. After my 2nd shiv and vanishing to reapply imp garrote, what is higher priority? Just keep going with fok envenoms and maintenance, or is it better to rupture more targets since deathmark and shivs are done?

[grim jay]

actually no

you dont change ANYTHING about the dslice setting

you just let it run at the standard 6 min

[languid gate]

Chest is not really a good set piece, right?

[grim jay]

there is no bad set piece

set pieces are always as good as they sim for your character

[clever sparrow]

tbh simming is the worst thing happened to wow

you brain off and use a bot

[distant plinth]

same as weakauras and addon

[grim jay]

its the best thing that happened

[clever sparrow]

they are a little better

[grim jay]

some people cant turn their brain on enough to use it

[clever sparrow]

not that much brain off

[distant plinth]

bruh, fractilus mythic is basicly follow the weakaura where it tells you to go and hes dead

[grim jay]

also its basically whispyr turning his brain on enough for all of us

[nova gust]

my favourite boss, you live and die by weakauras bugging on you

[distant plinth]

user issue, died within 8 pulls lol

[grim jay]

also btw its completely optional

[clever sparrow]

i use weakaura for class pack idk

[grim jay]

noone will force you to sim if you dont like it, you just wont get feelcraft answers in a dedicated discord

[clever sparrow]

it doesnt have any meaning not to use it when everyone using it

[grim jay]

the meaning is your personal preference if you dont like it

[distant plinth]

just drag your action bar between ur hp and targets hp and voila hahaha, but yea i use it as well its nice to have. but i dont really like WA etc on bosses.

[royal lantern]

what the fuck is that take

[clever sparrow]

im not saying its bad

but life was better before it ;D

[royal lantern]

thats either ragebait, or the dumbest thing i saw this week in this discord

[grim jay]

it was arguably worse

[haughty flicker]

worst thing that happened to wow
im not saying its bad

[royal lantern]

you mean mindless following bis lists where people noticed after a while that they where not actually good?

[haughty flicker]

speaking of bis lists

[clever sparrow]

FOLLOWING A BIS LIST / SIMMING GEAR or something like this

[royal lantern]

cus thats how it was before simming became avaible for most people lol

[clever sparrow]

isnt RPG anymore

[grim jay]

BiS lists based on feelcraft even

[nova gust]

I played on a private server without sims available and it is so much worse

[haughty flicker]

i just had a rogue refuse to trade me a ring because it happened to be one whispyr randomly put as bis on wowhead

[clever sparrow]

its just a roguelike game now

[haughty flicker]

so gg

whispyr owes me a halls of atonement ring

[royal lantern]

oh, shut up with the "XYZ IS NOT A RPG ANYMORE" bullshit and go to reddit with that

[nova gust]

you literally have to spend hours to figure out if a single piece of gear better than the other

[clever sparrow]

lol

[grim jay]

brother, simming gear has absolutely NOTHING to do with rpg. it doesnt make it more of less of one

[distant plinth]

hahaha

[royal lantern]

its such a nonsensical argument always

[distant plinth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[royal lantern]

mfs will take the most random things and then say ITS NOT A RPG ANYMORE BECAUSE OF THAT

[distant plinth]

not sure if wowheads wrong or nah but prism sims like 180+++++++ i guess forge is much better for DM @haughty flicker haha from Fuus top sim and wowhead

[clever sparrow]

you say that wow still an MMO RPG?

[grim jay]

is it even an rpg if I'm always the hero and cant be the villain?

[royal lantern]

what else should it be

[clever sparrow]

wtf is this

[royal lantern]

im literally playing the same character for 18years now

[distant plinth]

picture from top sim trinkets and wowheads BIS list

[clever sparrow]

i've never managed to get a good sim for astral + araz

[grim jay]

forge is better if you dont play fb

[distant plinth]

yea, thats what i assumed

[clever sparrow]

may i ask why?

[distant plinth]

2min vs 1.5min cd timers

[royal lantern]

prism is 90sec

forge is 2min

2min trinkets tend to be stronger because they have higher cd, because thats how cds and strenght of effects work

[distant plinth]

so you will always get a amp on all cd windows with 1.5m

[clever sparrow]

prism is 120 sec tho

since you just use it with dm

[royal lantern]

prism needs to stack

[clever sparrow]

thats why its a 120 sec cd

[royal lantern]

if you use prism every 2min, its weaker then just using forge

aka for 2min its better

[clever sparrow]

AHa now i got it

make sense

[royal lantern]

we dont even use prism as a 90sec trinket and instead as a 3min trinket because of its stack building on fatebound

(in the end you just macro the trinket anyway kekw)

[grim jay]

the reason prism is better than lily for example is bcs mainstat onuse vs master onuse

araz is mainstat aswell

and crit is good too as a static stat

[royal lantern]

trap stat

just crit bozo

why increase crit %

get that 40k mastery, sit at 8% crit and just highroll those crits

[grim jay]

but the magical crit number

[clever sparrow]

sitting at 27k mastery

[distant plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-shocked-turtle-gif-11062250997175337277

[clever sparrow]

CAN GO HIGHER

[distant plinth]

hahaha lets gooooo, the poison and bleeds go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

mad execute dmg

[clever sparrow]

😂

[normal mist]

Your sims be like "please stop, i can't take it anymore"

[balmy condor]

“True rating”

The true rating which is actually the fake rating cause the game doesn’t work like that and it’s silly to think about

Holy pog

[astral current]

wtf did i just saw

[sullen monolith]

Sim it. On me, the signet sims much better in dungslice than the Unyielding Prism

[balmy condor]

The fakest real true fake fake real stats

[balmy condor]

Yeh the slight issue with this is that prism stacks last the whole dungeon so dslice undervalues it slightly

It’s like still fine

[sullen monolith]

Why are we literally in shadows for blizz? Pinks close down dc ... they get +5% in a day ... Greens shot bugged out, they get a hotfix in 2 days ... :S Why are we yellows just a leftover and we wait fir a hotfix for weeks?

[balmy condor]

But if it’s close-ish prism is definitely better

[frail geyser]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[astral current]

none of devs have a desire to play rogue so they just dont care
we must be thankful that one of devs tried rogue out and his kingsbane got parried

[sullen monolith]

would you macro it to DM, or you use it when iot fully stacked?

[balmy condor]

On deathstalker you can macro to dm

[clever sparrow]

is the addon outof date? 😄

[past marten]

I still can't figure out why people actually believe that this stupid ret stunt lead to a 5% buff

[balmy condor]

But the power of prism is that you can sometimes hold for huge pulls

So that’s better

[clever sparrow]

shit tons of mastery + signet + tea

• alchemical chaos

[sullen monolith]

its just funny af 😄

[balmy condor]

No it’s just conceptually braindead

[dense cedar]

the true rating of all secondaries is 0

[clever sparrow]

AHH

[astral current]

i wonder what's ur execute dps on hc sentinel

[dense cedar]

tertiaries are all that matters

[balmy condor]

The entire premise of that addon is stupid beyond belief

But whatever floats your boat I guess

[clever sparrow]

i just use it for speed and leech 😄

[sullen monolith]

@balmy condor ... i need a 4 hours long sub guide video. Thnkas.

[balmy condor]

Nah I played it for a bit on araz

Ain’t for me

[sullen monolith]

I literally loose my mind, becuase i can't feel when to hold and i dont understand 😄 i want to send every time 😄

[astral current]

hold bursts till ~0:20 on araz, but better just to ask in subtlety channel

[clever sparrow]

watch shindigg guide

[sullen monolith]

that channel is half chinese for me 😄

[clever sparrow]

😂
same same

[grim jay]

something is wrong with you if you think they got the 5% within a day bcs they closed down their discord

and its something other than the tinfoil hat

[sullen monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/officer-doofy-salute-doofy-gilmore-scary-movie-gif-12007284100724869735

[past marten]

I will not take this tinfoil hat slander

[deep breach]

hot take, but why are our poisons only a 1 hour duration. Just make them perma plz 🥲

[humble verge]

holy shit what

[icy geyser]

what's actually a good score for mastery? or is it the more, the merrier?

[subtle tundra]

whatever the sim says

you sim your characters gear

and use that

[clever sparrow]

sim

[shy axle]

still did not get the 15 glied over cap from the fix, damn

[clever sparrow]

can get more if i proc the mastery buff from belt

[astral current]

got 'em randomly sent to me after rebooting the game

[hidden crown]

Am I delusional? Im pretty sure Paladins had bloodlust

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/887404926265884705/1013411061006872696/869641195914141698-2-20-1.gif

[astral current]

wtf

[shy axle]

they got battlerez, never had bl

[astral current]

yeah, br but not bl

[shy axle]

@astral current yeah, had it 3 times in my post but nothing got added. We will see

[hidden crown]

https://tenor.com/view/arriba-gif-12324188786972117417

[warm vortex]

I want whatever the fuck your smoking

[warm vortex]

I also thought heroism was a pally lust

[hidden crown]

its called playing only 3 classes

[warm vortex]

I play 2

[last moth]

Hey guys, do you Play with Netherprism an Second on use trinket oder an passive Trinker ?

[humble verge]

you guys play DIFFERENT classes? i dont even touch sub or outlaw

[hard light]

Hello everyone,
do you have any advice to improve my pooling behavior? i often press anything casually ou oh habit and just started to really look at my energy bar. any advice will help!

[dense cedar]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
• Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
• Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.

[hard light]

also in aoe situations? in the last few days i compared some logs and found out that my sanguine blade dmg is below average most of the time

[dense cedar]

are you rupturing in aoe?

should have literally zero issues upkeeping energy

[hard light]

yeah sure, i do, up to five targets more with vanish if possible

[warm vortex]

Ye 100%

Literally impossible to run out of energy in aoe atm

[dense cedar]

shouldn't be running out of energy unless ur like

not got poisons on or w/e

also a lot of sanguine blades damage is from CT

@hard light can you post your talent build rq

[topaz furnace]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[static glacier]

you will be energy capped din aoe

shouldn't really have energy issues on 3+

[dense cedar]

yeah nothing wrong here, you should be fine for energy

[static glacier]

and even on 2 you will be good

[dense cedar]

shouldn't be hitting empty ever

[topaz furnace]

Are Ceverion's Plater updated for season 3? Thx

[hard light]

mhmm ok thank you all so i have to look a little bit deeper to find the root of the problem.

[static glacier]

link a log if you have one

or a video

[dense cedar]

are you garroting for combo points out of stealth, or using Fok?

[last moth]

I answer on german,

Habe gesehen du streamst sonst schaue ich da nacher mal rein wenn du Zeit hast

Edit: habe mich versehen können dennoch mal Discord quatschten

[hard light]

ambush on main target for mark followed by garrot and rupture bc of carnage garrot on the prio targets and rupture as much as possible

[dense cedar]

should have fine energy then

[hard light]

danke. ich komm da gerne mal darauf zurück

[warm flint]

during ic yes you build with garrot. outside of it you can use garrot only on prio target or boss, not on other targets. i mostly garrot one random thing if i got 6cp and have a dn ready tho

[hard light]

currently no relevant log available from m+. i will log one asap.

[dense cedar]

i wasn't talking to you?

[stark condor]

Hai guys im looking for Weakaura or Addon for Sundden demise nameplate display to exatly from where will be execute.

[quick yacht]

hi guys, is it normal that i have energy issues in mono ?

[dense cedar]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[warm flint]

ah sorry sir it takes long to get invited on 16-17s so i answer questions of casuals on disc. gl on your 10s!

[dense cedar]

?

[grim jay]

typical case of SDE

[dense cedar]

joining the convo just to ragebait

[quick yacht]

thank you :)

[warm flint]

i mean you asked a question and i answered

whats the issue

[dense cedar]

i didn't ask anything to you

its text chat

i can just read that ur lying

[warm flint]

so what, instead if being glad you act like i killed your family

go back spamming 10s or on dummies

[hard light]

anyways thank you all for your help, you pointed me in the right directions. Great community!! ❤️

[dense cedar]

why would i be glad that ur randomly reply to me when I'm checking to see why someone might having energy issues

[grim jay]

you could stop behaving obnoxious with stuff like that

that aside, he didnt ask anything in terms of him needing an explanation, he asked what the other person having an issue was doing

context

[warm flint]

ah it was the other guy asking, sorry then

[humble verge]

aint no way

if Trump is dead

kinda funny icl

[dense cedar]

people keep hoping its about to happen. but I haven't seen any news yet

[grim jay]

he isnt

[humble verge]

well

its just speculation anyways

[vocal seal]

hes dead to me

[last skiff]

Hey someone have a wa when Cheat Death proc ?

too dumb to made it

[earnest remnant]

dont try and evade the filter

[humble verge]

you just have to know it

[last skiff]

I fount the id

[humble verge]

watdafak is that poison reapply wa

[minor coyote]

you know you are cooked, need to improve if you have a guide in your bookmars 💀

[last skiff]

Tell you when the buff is less than 20m when no combat

good enought

[humble verge]

bruh

who in the hell uses bookmarks like that

i just have whatever

[last skiff]

I keep forget it

or the the second damage poison for raid

[minor coyote]

how else would you use bookmars 😄

[humble verge]

idk

i just type fast

so i dont bother for them

[old terrace]

Which leg armor kit does sin use?

[royal lantern]

stormbound ofc

the other one gives armor, aka its for tanks

[humble verge]

idk

everyone should use stormbound

more value

[scarlet orbit]

is not only prot warri the only one who used the armor one at some point because they somehow scale with it?

[spice surge]

Warriors gain strength based on their armor

(not only prot, all of them)

[rotund oak]

wadafak is the entire WA panel ild add

[flat flare]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[humble verge]

true

[rotund oak]

imagine drinking 2 monsters now and game a +15-16

with this UI

ild have a headacke in a couple of mins

also voice notifications

and dbm warnings and dungeon pack warning poping out of nowhere

[celest jacinth]

Does SimC over value haste? It's all it ever wants me to go for with gems etc.

[rotund oak]

no

should follow the robot

unless ofc u sim something different than u should

which might be the case

[celest jacinth]

Okay, just making sure. Felt gas lit by it lol cause everything i read says crit and mallet recommends crit.

[slate crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[slate crown]

tldr follow the robot

If it's valuing haste, it's telling you to get more haste

[rotund oak]

(also best way to make gold now is new health pots)

[grim jay]

no, best way to make gold is boosting m+12+ intime

[minor coyote]

it fits so well, #proudofmydesign

[rotund oak]

how much does it cost btw

the boost

coz if its like 50k its not

[subtle tundra]

wrong its boosting mythic raid the whole tier

so you actually dont spend any additional time to get gold

[rotund oak]

this sounds more reasonable although doubt it could print more gold than a 3hour multicrafting fest

[grim jay]

around 1m

[rotund oak]

ok thats alot of gold for 20-30min

alch cant do that much,no way it can craft this much in this time

[subtle tundra]

i have a guild mate who geared like 6-7 characters to boost first 4 bosses in nerubar palace

dont think anything else got that much gold/h

[stark condor]

Hai guys im looking for Weakaura or Addon for Sundden demise nameplate display to exatly from where will be execute.

[spice surge]

For most people the best gold per hour is unfortunately working an extra hour irl and buying gold 💀

[rotund oak]

the entire first season of this xpansion ive farmed endlessly,got all profs maxed out,can craft anything and everything.I think at the start of the expansion a stacked gatherer could easily shit on this

[subtle tundra]

gold per hour? i seriously doubt

[rotund oak]

well if u havent done it i would argue it could

the prices are too high and whatever proc u get in 2 secs is just money

[oblique slate]

when do we send the second shiv in Fatebound ST ?
to immediately refresh in the deathmark window after the first one ends
or
at the last 8 seconds of kingsbane

[subtle tundra]

also high m+ boosting, you dont know how much you can get

[rotund oak]

yeah high m+ groups that blast keys can do ALOT more gold

[subtle tundra]

you cant comprehend how much gold the mafia gets

[rotund oak]

cant compete 15-20min for a million gold

[subtle tundra]

i sold a +21 junkyard week 2 or 1(cant recall) in shadowlands last season for 1.2mil

dont ask me why anyone would buy that

but i did get my gold

[rotund oak]

was selling some keys back then as well can confirm

[minor coyote]

real

[rotund oak]

that was the price

[rotund oak]

working here,still farmed my gold

not a penny from something i can produce

power to the farmers ✊

[subtle tundra]

in shadowlands season 2 i sold some high keys, getting like 500k per key with my team and such

so yeah if you want gold, just get good

[rotund oak]

or just have a druid,buy that fishing tmog hat

fly around

chill

gold cap couple of characters,u danzo

[subtle tundra]

thats incredibly inefficient lol

[rotund oak]

its the alternative in case u cant sell/push high keys

[cunning needle]

alternatively boost raids first month

make like 500k each week per char

then afk rest of patch

[rotund oak]

also true

[subtle tundra]

i remember not being able to boost

week 2-3

cause i had shit logs

cause thats what happens when you go for wr 20-30

and you have to do splits and not upgrade your character

[rotund oak]

i had grey logs on my sub tier,all the way,still got traded my share on first 4 mythic boost

good my @ss 😛

just be a leech,all that takes

[subtle tundra]

to be a leech means you have to be unsaved

[rotund oak]

yes also have an alt

[subtle tundra]

all my characters went into splits on wednesday

[rotund oak]

least one

gear sink works too btw

but idk the prices exactly

ppl pay crazy amounts of gold for trinkets etc

[fallen arch]

Normal avg players cant relate to this tho

[pallid pecan]

ppl I've seen some posts and videos saying that some features of the assa are broken and don't even work or procreate rn is that true?

[fallen arch]

Buying a token is about 1000x more efficient

[fallen arch]

Pins

[pallid pecan]

oh nice, so it's true, well indie company strikes again

[fallen arch]

It’s true but it is by no means unplayable

[pallid pecan]

nono I know, I haven't said that, just wanted to confirm if what I saw online was true

[fallen arch]

Yes, help us hope for fixes against better judgement

[pallid pecan]

[topaz furnace]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[humble verge]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[icy geyser]

I did a sim for ST. why does it use fok in rotation"

[main bridge]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[zinc creek]

hey for my simming for m+ do i go dslice or st

[pure moth]

dslice

[lavish isle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[mental thistle]

can we use prisma befor bubble goes off in m+ ?

[dense cedar]

Should get wiped

[viral ice]

does sudden demise not work on void emissary? how do i kill it faster when applying bleeds takes so long

[coral ibex]

it has no hp

only shield

so there’s nothing to execute

this has been the worst affix for assa since s1

[dapper parcel]

Hey Peeps. What build are most of you using for AOE raid bosses like Forgeweaver and Soulbinder? The ST FB build with caustic spatter or DS with crimson tempest?

[analog field]

Crimson tempest is an exaggeration probably. You can either go DS cleave or FB cleave

[lucid silo]

i just play FB with splatter

[dapper parcel]

Thanks dudes. You rock. I"ll stick with FB / spatter

[dusty phoenix]

Just spec sub for these tbh

[dapper parcel]

I'm horrible at sub lol. I gotta get better.

[analog field]

Araz is ok as FB, I think soulbinder is really good for ds as long as your raid does not annihilate adds

[lucid silo]

i just doing heroic so the adds die instantly

[prime hull]

Saw this on AH, didnt even know jewelry can even roll single stat. Is that not absolutely insane bis for fatebound? might pick one up

[quiet oriole]

About to learn sub for soulbinder seems like it's quite far ahead. Not sure how much better it will be with my ass gear. Gunna have to get a few vers of peices

[icy geyser]

can someone teach me how to check the damage that I've done to a boss in warcraftlogs?

[onyx pond]

Price 😁

[icy geyser]

I got flamed for doing only 2.3m to last boss in EDA 16...

same as in EDA 15

[dapper halo]

well our single target is kinda poo

in bleed m+ build

[icy geyser]

I mean it can't be this fkin bad...the dk was at 3.9m and mage at 4.3m...

[safe wasp]

Hey, quick question about Bleed build in mm+ and solo boss (with no add)
Is it worth to keep CT or just finish with Rupt/Envenom ?
I guess yes, cuz the dmg/cb is superior on CT rather than Envenom, but I'm not sure... 🙈

[prime hull]

yes you CT

[dapper halo]

and remember

[icy geyser]

it's so fun to play bleed build, but when it comes to ST, it makes me wanna reroll

[dapper halo]

you have the GRAND EXCUSE of our spec being kinda buggy

but Only exlain it after the m+ has begun

so you can manipulate them mwa ha ha

[icy geyser]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WCZLqYAv8Kf72mr6?fight=13&type=damage-done&target=160

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/J7BrdVPGcjFLR8tm?fight=last&type=damage-done&target=39

[waxen oyster]

pure st is so uncommon

[icy geyser]

2 different logs, one from 15, one from 16

also, is it worth using shiv with no tea, like if I have no charges of tea and it's on cd

[unborn rain]

in p sureits wirth

[mint urchin]

It's just a flat 30% dmg buff to basically everything, I can't see how it wouldn't be

It's basically impossible to not drop in energy for it to self proc so if you hold it for only tea uses you will just lose out on a ton of uses in m+

[spice surge]

Yes it is worth to use your main damaging cooldown

[ornate gate]

is there a specific sim for m+ or is it just dslice

[marsh fjord]

dslice

[icy geyser]

if we have prism and a 2nd on use trinket, should we macro prism to vanish and the other trinket to dm? for example lily

[crisp venture]

any assass m+ers around 14+ are u guys taking IW at all

[main bridge]

no one that cares about damage would do that

[crisp venture]

i know

its dmg loss but also thw keys start to hurr

hurt

esp in pugs

cant rely on kicks all the time

[golden loom]

the problem there is packs also live longer if you run IW

🧠

[lucid silo]

idk if there are any keys where iron wire is really necessary this season

[jaunty kayak]

how big of a minmax is it to use prism every 3m instead of just macroing to DM ?

[lucid silo]

idk % wise but its optimal to use it with vanish every 3 minutes i think during cds

[minor dagger]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[flint escarp]

do we run ST, cleave or deathstalker on nexus king?

[jaunty kayak]

cleave

fatebound with spatter

[safe swift]

i heard there was like macro that makes shadowmeld almost never fail? anyone got it?

[rancid tusk]

Is it worth running double crafted daggers with darkmoon sigil: ascension?

[supple spindle]

ifrc offhand dagger is just a stat stick

[ocean quiver]

first boss on mythic im so ass

[tall maple]

/

[rancid tusk]

im not raiding, oh wep is like 701. At point im crafting the second one, but the double the ascension stats can only be put on armor. So thats why im thinking of crafting a second wep with ascension

[supple spindle]

most likely it is a better solution to craft wrists and forget about it, but i'd receive a confirmation from someone far more competent first

[rancid tusk]

aight thanks, ill wait out for another reaction

[golden loom]

yeah craft wrist

offhand is the worst slot in the game

[static glacier]

tabard and shirt would like to have a word

[unborn rain]

only real slots
everything else is lame stat sticks or cantrips

[slim copper]

uhhhh wut

i thought crit and mastery were supposed to be highest for sin

[split veldt]

is the dimensius trinket even worth rolling on

[solid hemlock]

until its not

[golden loom]

there is also this warning when you press stat weights, and its there for a reason 😛

[slim copper]

well i can't read sooooo...

lol

[golden loom]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[main basalt]

evening guys, with 4set fatebound ST build do I want to have shiv buff to cover whole death mark window or cover last 8s of Kingsbane? Thanks.

[normal mist]

DM

on solo KB the last 8 seconds

[autumn idol]

yeah that's the spec name you dolt

smh

[ocean quiver]

AAAAAAH

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-wegeekinghard-blud-tiktok-animatronic-tweaking-gif-18331326635054461479

17 parse on soulbinder

😢

im so dog

[humble verge]

no new pin

[autumn idol]

why do you need a new pin mr zulul man

[red schooner]

Gives me something to yap about

[autumn idol]

[ocean quiver]

any log reviewers in chat

[umbral sigil]

Christ is sub the M+ spec now

[main bridge]

you can play whatever you like

[buoyant herald]

Both are good

Always good to learn all specs if you’re a pure dps

[somber patrol]

With bleedbuuld we CT in single target right?

[umbral sigil]

yes

Also that question was rhetorical i know all specs are competitive rn i just saw that the top timed keys shifted significantly in subs favor 🙂

Rhetorical prolly not the right word but yk what i mean

[buoyant herald]

If I was to hazard a guess

As keys get higher, doing actual damage to the boss becomes vital

Sub do good boss dam

While assass just lost a bunch of funnel which was the only way you can do good boss dam

Plus lost aoe from the spatter fix plus will probably lose more from sanguine blades getting similar treatment if blizz are consistent (lol)

[gray raven]

What’s the longest a class has gone being bugged out in a recent expansion? The whole thing?

[umbral sigil]

ask WW monk

[buoyant herald]

Windwalker

lol

[umbral sigil]

theyve been bugged since wrath and they didnt even exist back then

[gray raven]

Oh yeah

That does not bode well

[umbral sigil]

at least theyre (mostly)always decent

dont ask the frost mages

[clever sparrow]

which spec has highest funnel dps rn?

is it sin?

[umbral sigil]

no shot

[buoyant herald]

Arcane

Maybe dh

[gray raven]

aren’t mages always good? They are the main characters

[buoyant herald]

It wasn’t sin even before the fixes

[clever sparrow]

look at khadgar

[buoyant herald]

Sin just did stupid aoe as well

[clever sparrow]

does he looks like a main character on wheel chair?

[umbral sigil]

mage always ahve A spec thats good

[gray raven]

I bet you guys all play sitting down

[umbral sigil]

and by good i mean not middle to bottom

i only play while squat PRing

[gray raven]

Upward squat thrust with each envenom

[umbral sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/squats-speed-exercise-smile-gif-15936519

[buoyant herald]

And you have to add weight every time tier set bugs

[humble cradle]

Did assa just catch a nerf?

[umbral sigil]

Id look like ronnie coleman by the end of this

[buoyant herald]

Huh

[umbral sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/ronnie-coleman-bodybuilder-posing-double-gif-20430844

[buoyant herald]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-mcmahon-intrigued-gif-27408103

[humble cradle]

Oh I see now you were talking about the fix from last week

[buoyant herald]

Yeah

[gray raven]

Oh we are “fixed”

[buoyant herald]

Nerf via fixing an unintended interaction

[normal mist]

fixed but backwards

[humble cradle]

Some of the comments people were making had me thinking we actually got nerfed

[buoyant herald]

That was in our favour

I mean it is a nerf

But the intention wasn’t “let’s make sin weaker”

[humble cradle]

If I remember correctly from whyspers last video there’s a couple bugs actually hurting our dps now right?

[buoyant herald]

It was to fix double dipping spec aura

[normal mist]

Mostly Cleave/AoE yes

[humble cradle]

Hopefully if they ever get fixed that will be a small gain

[normal mist]

it will be around a 10% buff

if stuff gets fixed

[gray raven]

Yeah it’s a lot honestly

[normal mist]

10% buff IN AOE

Our ST is barely hurt

mostly FB 4set shenanigans

[autumn idol]

seal fate coins

[humble cradle]

Is there any reason to believe the cleave/no garrote build from last season will take over at high keys or are we likely sticking with bleed the whole way this season?

I did enjoy not being bottom boss dmg most of the time

[normal mist]

Bleed has huge funnel and Gigantic AoE compared to other builds

(bleed doesn't have huge funnel CURRENTLY due to bugs)

[buoyant herald]

Death stalker has like 20 hero talents that buff aoe

Fate has 2 that actively make you do less damage when adds show up

[waxen oyster]

realistically if you want boss damage at the push key level

you play sub i imagine

also comes with the benefit you aren't really squishy

[buoyant herald]

I’ve been doing a dabble into sub, not usually a fan, but it’s probably as nice as it’s ever been

[golden loom]

sub is fun yeah

[waxen oyster]

also just funny to end bosses at like

4.5m

[buoyant herald]

You get the same frustrations around the zdps moments if you plan badly

[waxen oyster]

compared to 3.5

[buoyant herald]

But that’s on me not the spec itself

[golden loom]

I really like the feedback of the spec, the sound of the abilities, the sound the shadowcraft weakaura makes

dopamine spec

[buoyant herald]

No need to show off

[waxen oyster]

i assume the swish swish sounds are

coup hits

[golden loom]

I love the coup sound

[waxen oyster]

also being able to burst 11m

on bosses is funny

[normal mist]

i like how fuu loves it

[golden loom]

also really like shadowstrike

[buoyant herald]

Yeah I’d really recommend giving it a go not because sin bad or anything dumb

[waxen oyster]

sometimes i do wonder if sub benefits more

from the cdr xal affix

[golden loom]

I am playing it on the fights I would normally play deathstalker

[buoyant herald]

Just what I said before about learning all specs if you’re pure dps so you’re not always at the mercy of the tuning gods

[golden loom]

and in m+ currently to learn it

[buoyant herald]

Yep same

[waxen oyster]

well

[buoyant herald]

Can’t stand DS in the raid tbh

[waxen oyster]

you're pretty safe from learning outlaw

very rarely blizz makes it blatantly much better

on a real boss

[buoyant herald]

I’m an outlaw main shhhh

[waxen oyster]

i played entirety of df fated as outlaw

and most keys in s3

+some bosses

[golden loom]

my real reroll though 🔥

[buoyant herald]

Ah the golden years

[waxen oyster]

amir was probably the last time i geneuinly played all 3

within the same tier

[buoyant herald]

I’ve played all 3 this tier

But outlaw is kinda hard reserved for soul hunters

[waxen oyster]

larodar on outlaw was just better imo

[buoyant herald]

Sin for fatebound bosses

Then sub for what’s left

[waxen oyster]

igira depends how fast your group was for nuking spears

[buoyant herald]

I had a rank one outlaw on igira at one point as outlaw, that boss was so nice for it

[waxen oyster]

tbh i think all the bosses until smold were better for outlaw

besides gnarl

[buoyant herald]

Nb - my group was not great at nuking spears

[waxen oyster]

whos ass died after the first burn

nymue was always funny

[buoyant herald]

Volcoross wasn’t great for outlaw

[waxen oyster]

"how much damage you got on add?"

"depends how many procs"

[buoyant herald]

Nymue was assass for sure, KB lined up perfectly with adds

[waxen oyster]

That thing got popped if you could bte every global

[buoyant herald]

And gods it was strong then

[waxen oyster]

between ace resets

and imp ar

[ocean quiver]

Any pro log reviewer got time to review a log for me pls

[waxen oyster]

i hate forge on sub

your dps is basically dependent on

the 2-3 sectec/coup globals

per add set

[gilded oasis]

I did not enjoy it at all

I also played like a fucking 3 year old

[waxen oyster]

it does feel super good when you can secret into double coup

with no downtime

on add spawns

[buoyant herald]

I think that’s kinda fine because

The capability is there

I just need to get better

Whereas with sin and outlaw you just can’t throw enough damage into them if the rest of your raid are big bombers

Outlaw can do well overall still

[clever sparrow]

how you guys deal damage on first pull of gambit?

[buoyant herald]

But its boss damage is in the gutter

[waxen oyster]

dot everything nuke the big boy

pray caustic is fixed with singular so i can nuke it faster

[main bridge]

you can just link it you don't have to ask

[buoyant herald]

Wait so is the caustic / singular focus thing a bug for sure or are we hoping it was an unintended consequence

[waxen oyster]

its a bug

worked fine last 2 seasons

[buoyant herald]

Yeah but like

[waxen oyster]

its very noticeable on big funnel setups tbh

[buoyant herald]

So did 48% caustic

[waxen oyster]

like left side miniboss of priory

[buoyant herald]

And so does 36% sanguine blades

[waxen oyster]

sd is doing dick this season

[buoyant herald]

I mean I know it just stopped working but it was at the same time they fixed caustic

[waxen oyster]

i've noticed though

what the helly

[rotund oak]

uve made a terrible mistake

[compact flame]

is that hard wrong in a priory? 😄

[buoyant herald]

Are we sure they didn’t make caustic stop feeding SF on purpose

[waxen oyster]

its funny because havoc fills the same niche

as ds assa

well reaver havoc at least

[buoyant herald]

Seems fine

[waxen oyster]

This breakdown looks like

"i spend extended time off my mark target"

[compact flame]

That was my first dungeon as assa 😄 I am so confused 😂

[waxen oyster]

its not horrendous though

[compact flame]

yeah Idk, I have 3% haste but damage was still fine compared to the other dps in that key. Can't get used to track all these dots yet

[waxen oyster]

haste dont matter

[compact flame]

uh should caustic be always on top?

[waxen oyster]

1st or 2nd

depends on key

i think tier has been pushing it to 1st more lately.

s2 ct was a good few % of #2 typically

[compact flame]

Do I actually just press bleeds while indiscriminate carnage is active, and after that im only watching for bleeds on main target? Or shall I watch out for bleeds everytime on high health mobs

[unborn rain]

yeah bleed to get scent of blood going

[compact flame]

I think im so concentrated on trying to get bleeds of, that im not maintaining caustic on main target

[waxen oyster]

I mean there isn't a set rule

mobs that live long generally should get bleeds

[royal lantern]

should i be concerned about not getting any bleeds

will i die soon

help

[waxen oyster]

I probably played that priory wrong anyway.

didnt even get 8m

washed

[restive crater]

Idk if it’s correct, but on packs with <7 mobs I dot the whole pack, on packs with 10+ I’ll try and dot 9-11 mobs then smash envenoms on my marked target for spatter dmg.

[ocean quiver]

When I’m finished eating I’ll post it hopefully someone can check, I’m probably playing completely wrong ngl 💀

[waxen oyster]

Realistically how fast you personally are at getting bleeds out will influence if you should rupture absolutely everything

[static glacier]

Gg did less than me on sub

[waxen oyster]

yeah its kind of bad considering

i did almost 8 in s2

[ebon steppe]

Bleed build is just not that fun to play

[royal lantern]

its literally the same gameplay

[static glacier]

Ye only difference is shiv usage

[humble verge]

GUESS WHAT LADS

GUESS WHUAAAAt

[thorn thorn]

what

[nova oxide]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[soft willow]

Hey guys i heard today there was some "Silent nerf" for assa rogues this week, anyone knows anything about it? 🙂

[main bridge]

you got clickbaited also

[static glacier]

Bugfix causing more bugs

[last skiff]

no bugs

whispyr is a spy from outlaw

[deep breach]

waaaait. assa is bugged? whaaaaat.

[last skiff]

dont trust him

[royal lantern]

(every class is bugged as hell always)

[balmy condor]

It wasn’t 48% until this season, our spec aura before the season was at 5%, now it’s 20%

So it was 42%

In season 1 it was 40.4%

[humble verge]

:DDDDDDDDD

[buoyant herald]

thats kinda my point though, wondering how intentional that change was

[thorn thorn]

👀

[buoyant herald]

maybe it was on purpose because it got the spotlight on it

when spec aura got cranked high

[humble verge]

we did a mug and gally test run, i was 1 of 2 who didnt have it already lol

[clever sparrow]

i still dont know how many bleeds should i apply in gambit first pull

its never enough

and when i try to bleed all they die and im at 3 mil

[autumn idol]

zeross went over this

you should be trying to put bleeds and shiv before the smallies arrive with tricks

[clever sparrow]

so only bleed the big guys but still sometimes its not possible with pugs tho

[somber patrol]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[autumn idol]

Ye

correct

[reef aspen]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[clever sparrow]

what should i do at that point?

ignore everything and mash envenom to caustic?

[autumn idol]

thats one option, the other option is finding which big murlocs are not dotted while you are in the ID window and dotting those if the smallies arrived

[clever sparrow]

ahh

got it

[autumn idol]

theres a secret

third option

[clever sparrow]

WHAT IS IT 😄

we vanish and do that again? until everyone bleeding? 😄

[autumn idol]

nah

play sub for gambit instead

[clever sparrow]

lol i was thinking about it

[thick juniper]

good afternoon, regarding fatebound opener, do i vanish before or after kingsbane?

[clever sparrow]

but tbh its hard to swap to a new spec on 13

[autumn idol]

you can macro vanish into kingsbane, its recommended to do it before

[autumn idol]

only one way of learning

[thick juniper]

k ty

[autumn idol]

and thats playing more, failing, and learning to play better

[clever sparrow]

any good guide?

i watched shindigg one literaly learned nothing

it was chinese

i just played sub for pvp and i have no idea how it works in pve

[autumn idol]

this discord provides a lot of info, even for sub

it differs from assassination as there are clear uptimes and downtimes

[clever sparrow]

their channel is chinese i dont step into it again 😄

they dont have whispyr to answer my dumbass questions

[autumn idol]

all that class discords do is answer questions

theres a basic rotation guide in there, sub is a bit tricky to learn at first as it is a bit unintuitive

one thing that helps is that the rotation and rules around rotation do not differ much when going from singletarget to aoe scenarios

[clever sparrow]

yeah im hitting dummy rn its not that hard ( IT IS)

[tawny blaze]

I see a lot of top rogue assa played sub now, does it perform better in high key?

[ocean quiver]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Bb3cAQy9Ht6MvrnV?fight=28&type=damage-done&source=2 Would anyone be able to do a log review? or just point out some mistakes I make (prefer the major ones but anything else)
edit: I dont have the 3% buff either

[echo island]

I switched yesterday

Its similar in AOE, but much better on bosses and prio targets

[frozen glacier]

im too stupid for sub in m+ i think

[echo island]

Its easy tbh

[autumn idol]

Uhh

prio? are you sure

the prio is the same if not assa pulling ahead

just that sub deals way better single target

[echo island]

Your not punished super hard for making small mistakes during shadow dance, unlike during raid

[clever sparrow]

sub just works better if your tank is animal enough to not let you funnel as sin

[echo island]

Hmm, i found prio targets melting when i dump all my cd's on it and funneling everything . Didnt check numericaly, might be based on ' feeling ' over facts

[clever sparrow]

😄

i became a tank hater recently

[autumn idol]

problem is that subs damage is indiscriminate imo

it just damages everything

[clever sparrow]

tbh if our singular focus get fixed i can say cleave wont be behind from sub

[autumn idol]

the main target a little bit harder

[acoustic roost]

Fix vanish usage. Need to use it before you envenom. Also didn’t use it at all during 3min burst

[autumn idol]

assa has clear funnel into their prio target with energy focus and buffed crimson tempest + scent of blood

even better if spatter/singular and the other hero talent got fixed

[clever sparrow]

💔

btw do we have any spec with higher funnel dps than sin?

[autumn idol]

arcanus magus

havocus

[frozen rivet]

How much Haste do i need as Assa?

[clever sparrow]

are they Funnel???

[clever sparrow]

sim

[normal mist]

simulate your character

[clever sparrow]

ah yes

they are i forgot about touch

[autumn idol]

yes

[clever sparrow]

but how does havoc can funnel?

[autumn idol]

hero talent

[clever sparrow]

i have to take a look at them again

[frozen rivet]

is there not such a thing like 9% ?

[autumn idol]

wounded wuarry

[clever sparrow]

aldarchi?

[clever sparrow]

nope sim

[autumn idol]

Yes

[clever sparrow]

robot knows better than us

[normal mist]

no

[autumn idol]

fuck clankers. vibe based secondaries

[clever sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1411297103505915995/image.png?ex=68b4245a&is=68b2d2da&hm=77a50c07f0e25753398702374d8182e76af037fda838f090f5fc667ec9605bb9&
i will test this

[frozen glacier]

i do what the clanker tells me

[clever sparrow]

in a key

[humble verge]

how much crit u got at all

with that

what is 19% crit

has to be like

9-10k

[ocean quiver]

Yeah I forgot about that tbf, I keep forgetting to use it but yeah right before evenom, noted

[clever sparrow]

low af on crit

its 6k

[humble verge]

oh jesus

even lower

[cloud musk]

that is one crit heavy item and thats it xD

[humble verge]

mastery will make up for it

lolle

[clever sparrow]

robot knows better

[cloud musk]

dawnbringer ring and thats it

[clever sparrow]

xd

[clever sparrow]

i simmed with everyothing

it just want more mastery versa

[ocean quiver]

@acoustic roost any other things you noticed in the log that i've been doing wrong? (anything major)

[cloud musk]

i know. clanker says basicaly no crit at all

[thorn thorn]

Aldrachi has its own version of singular focus

[clever sparrow]

without bug? 😄

[thorn thorn]

I dont know if havoc is bugged

Probably is like every spec

[thorn thorn]

Only recently

I started hating tanks so hard I swapped to being a tank

This shit is so easy

[royal lantern]

you didnt paypal me 2000€

major mistake tbh

[clever sparrow]

lol

im gonna do the same tbh

when i reach 3k

[thorn thorn]

If I get a sub rogue I do 5% chain pulls constantly

[royal lantern]

when you make a shity tank alt and realise how braindead tanking actually is, it makes you angry at points

[thorn thorn]

Or a rogue in general actually

[coral ibex]

does sub care about chain pulls?

[thorn thorn]

I meant sin

English failure

[clever sparrow]

doing DB rn

got a bear

in church

he got circle

he was soaking me

soakign US*

[thorn thorn]

What you mean

[ocean quiver]

:(

[clever sparrow]

the lutenent with fear aoe

[thorn thorn]

Oh

Was he putting it on the team?

[clever sparrow]

he was FOLLOWING THETEAM

[thorn thorn]

[royal lantern]

STAMINA CHECK

[clever sparrow]

is guardian druid hard?

i sometimes think its hard af

[royal lantern]

no

its the easiest tank togheter with warrior and DH

press mangle on cd

press thrash on CD

press ironfur whenever its avaible

[clever sparrow]

THEN HOW TF PEPOLE ARE BAD WITH IT

[royal lantern]

you can now play bear druid

[royal lantern]

the average wow player (and Gamer in general for everything) is bad at the game

m+ allows failing upwards by bruteforcing keys

tanks get easy fast invites

[clever sparrow]

but being bad stop your progress at somepoint?

[royal lantern]

just spam 20 keys and ruin them

doesnt mater

run #21 has a group with 4 good players that carry you trought it->score goes up-> "as a (insert number) rio m+ player......."

you can bruteforce VERY far in m+ by spamming dungeons 24/7

[clever sparrow]

make sense

[fleet pagoda]

it's how mages live

[clever sparrow]

i always thought pepole can report you for being bad

[fleet pagoda]

die every pull, chill, let the group win

[royal lantern]

like, not saying that score doesnt matter or something like that

but you can get a high amount of sucess in m+ literally by playing all the time

because you cant lose score or something like that

it only goes up

[thorn thorn]

No cappy

You press thrash

And ironfur

And you press mangle when its available

[royal lantern]

uuhm, where is mangle?????

[clever sparrow]

i just learned a new spec

[thorn thorn]

If you are so entitled you can even press incarn

Maybe even press bark skin

[royal lantern]

its the same with prot warrior

press shield block when its avaible

press thundeclap when its avaible

press shield block and IP when you can

[thorn thorn]

If you take damage you could just press frenzied regen

But you know

You also couldnt

It would still be fine

[clever sparrow]

maybe?

[thorn thorn]

Yea

Probably fine to press it occasionally

Maul?

[ocean quiver]

nah just let the free proc go off

[thorn thorn]

Yea you unbind it

[royal lantern]

lmao maul

[clever sparrow]

HMMMM

[royal lantern]

LMAO

[clever sparrow]

what about my back?

can i turn my back to mobs and run?

KITE?

[thorn thorn]

Why kite

[royal lantern]

i mean, you dont wanna do that

[thorn thorn]

Just press ironfur

You dont need to kite

[royal lantern]

but kiting is also not really a thing overall

espacially not kiting by walking around

[thorn thorn]

You could legit get 3 stacks of the mortal strike in HOA and you still done need to kite

Bear and prot warrior are both basically immune to physical damage

[royal lantern]

i literally just did a +7 key with my bear drood that is ilvl 673

like, i was in danger twice i gues?

[thorn thorn]

[quartz kiln]

this "penalty" its a addon?

[royal lantern]

just press cd->spam trash and mangle and press ironfur whenever you can

thats all lol

[thorn thorn]

incarn is a dps cd before a +10

[clever sparrow]

yes but whispyr says ignore it

[clever sparrow]

i had a friend he played druid back in legion

he was telling me if you move you have more chance to dodge

[thorn thorn]

[royal lantern]

kekw

[clever sparrow]

(he mostly got one shot cause he turns his back to mobs)

I WAS NEW PLAYER AND IWAS BELIVING HIM

JUST 2 MORE AND IM OUT!

[thorn thorn]

Bear is actually fun tho ngl

Cuz you can do dumb pulls and your team struggles for life

And you get to just sit there vibing pressing ironfur, not in any danger

[red schooner]

meanwhile me, not a gambit enjoyer

[haughty flicker]

lmao

looks like my hunter

but its dawnbreaker i havent stepped foor in

[red schooner]

I've never been to gambit but just spamming my weekly keys has wound up with things like this

And it amuses me

So I'm just not gonna do it

[thorn thorn]

Gambit ez

[haughty flicker]

imagine doing dawnbreaker

[red schooner]

Counterpoint: Having all keys done but gambit amuses me in some weird way

[compact stirrup]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[stable sinew]

why you hate gambito

[lavish isle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

Went to high school with gambito, awful dude, bullied everyone. One time he backed hylbrande into a corner (nice girl but super nerdy, kept going on about colors), and he kept screaming at her YOURE FOR THE STREETS GO BACK TO THE STREETS

Just a terrible guy

[spice spire]

Went to high school with gambito, awful dude, bullied everyone. One time he backed hylbrande into a corner (nice girl but super nerdy, kept going on about colors), and he kept screaming at her YOURE FOR THE STREETS GO BACK TO THE STREETS

Just a terrible guy

[stable sinew]

I saw you typing for a minute and was expecting some huge news not this xD

[haughty flicker]

Went to high school with gambito, awful dude, bullied everyone. One time he backed hylbrande into a corner (nice girl but super nerdy, kept going on about colors), and he kept screaming at her YOURE FOR THE STREETS GO BACK TO THE STREETS

Just a terrible guy

[thorn thorn]

Went to high school with gambito, awful dude, bullied everyone. One time he backed hylbrande into a corner (nice girl but super nerdy, kept going on about colors), and he kept screaming at her YOURE FOR THE STREETS GO BACK TO THE STREETS

Just a terrible guy

[gilded oasis]

I have also not yet been to Gambino this season

[thorn thorn]

I cant belive yall havent done Gamba this season

[gilded oasis]

My keys only roll AK and Priory or FG

No other dungeons exist

[balmy condor]

Also lowkey fuck Apple I go to pay with my Face ID, it doesn’t recognize, so it’s like pay with your passcode, whatever. Except that it uses my Face ID for my passcode for the failed Face ID

[thorn thorn]

Real

[balmy condor]

[thorn thorn]

[distant hinge]

How much better is the Cursed Stone Idol 723 from vault than Signet? Is it an insane upgrade for Mythic+?

Signet in 704 ilvl

[waxen oyster]

idk ask simc

[gilded oasis]

Ask mr robot (rip)

[cloud musk]

the clanker will give you your answere

[distant hinge]

Normal dungeon slice sim says 30k increase while 10 target patchwork says 500k. What can i trust?

[gilded oasis]

Not 10 target patchwork

[lavish isle]

got noob question, what is that ? 😄

[cloud musk]

deathstalker hero talent

[waxen oyster]

can people stop asking 2 items

on different tracks

[distant hinge]

Friends simming 10 target patchwerk and saying i made huge mistake not taking it

[gilded oasis]

Looks like death stalker not up, need to consume DN buff (to the right)

[waxen oyster]

i mean idol is probably better purely on 723 vs 704

thats alot of agi

[gilded oasis]

10 target patchwork is gonna sim 1 giant pull with all CDs up vs dungeonslice which is trying to simulate an actual dungeon with varied size pulls, bosses, downtime, CD timings... So you decide which has more useful information feedback

But also like Xiani said, Ilvl usually wins

[waxen oyster]

Be me and only sim patchwerk 1t

Idk people overcomplicate this spec

[thorn thorn]

Idk bro on my 10t 1:30m sim it says that champ lily beats hero prism, why guides say prism better

[waxen oyster]

buddy i just sim patchwerk

and gap people idk

shit’s easy

People talk sin does tank damage on bosses

but i see rets fill that more

[static glacier]

yo

WHERE ARE THE BUG FIXES

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-crash-out-angry-gif-15667791719891680630

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ah yes

lets buff mage and devoker again

and leave the game fuckin broken

[errant jacinth]

is there new patch notes?

[static glacier]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/war-within-class-tuning-incoming-–-september-3/1937024

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[static glacier]

[thorn thorn]

Baited

[main bobcat]

good one mo

got me as well

[static glacier]

kekw

[main bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-cat-cat-trip-cat-fall-kitty-gif-14426836968979840999

[fringe marsh]

i'm new with rouge so which poison i need2 use for m+?

[balmy condor]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[static glacier]

for bleed build deadly + atro

[fringe marsh]

tysm

[errant jacinth]

I was baited thats from 2024

[static glacier]

[gilded oasis]

Guys should we shut down the discord until our bugs are fixed?

[static glacier]

honestly

if i saw notes with no fixes

id actually be so mad

[red schooner]

But what about the cat thread

Think of the cat thread.