assassination

[wanton flax]

Quick question for any Rogue friends that may know the answer: When playing bleed build in m+ I'm seeing some guides tell me to never dip below 50% energy in ST because of Sanguine Blades. How serious is that? Is that strict or can I bounce around 150 energy? just looking for clarification sorry for long message.

[winged sun]

If u suck and u wanna get better idk all the tools are out there

[normal mist]

ignore it

[winged sun]

I’d say assa is prob giga info bloated in a good way

[tawdry halo]

big ignore

[thorn thorn]

My lad learned a lot from watching your vods

[tawdry halo]

your ST damage doesnt matwter

just pop off on trash

[rigid fable]

let me stealth tank

[winged sun]

Glad to hear

[autumn idol]

[thorn thorn]

Such as "Why is he opening with ambush"

[autumn idol]

watching arcane and frost

doing double the st dps

[winged sun]

I do sometimes favor ambush even in bleed build ye

[autumn idol]

of assa rogue

[wanton flax]

So legit? I can spam away with no energy? sick lol

[winged sun]

Depends on how the pull feels

[tawdry halo]

yep

[thorn thorn]

He didnt read deathstalker

[normal mist]

Your main source of Sanguine blades is in AoE scenarios

[winged sun]

H

Ah*

I mean

[thorn thorn]

I have 2 new players excluding him so im once again stuck in low key hell

[wanton flax]

Bet, thank you. I appreciate the answer!

[thorn thorn]

One is a hpriest and the other is 🐉

[winged sun]

If he has time idk do a dungeon and have the 2-3 hr whispyr guide video out

[sand otter]

yes this.

[winged sun]

It has sections to what u wanna learn

So

[charred mango]

does anyone else just swap to sub on the Deathstalker fights? Im tired of that mark

[humble verge]

depends

[tawdry halo]

some people do, yes

[winged sun]

Like

[autumn idol]

what the helly

[winged sun]

Good thing about the entire rogue discord is that we kinda have the best guide writers in the game

Its prob not even close

To anything else

[autumn idol]

https://tenor.com/3s1m.gif

holy

[winged sun]

Like everythign else is usually half cooked

[tawdry halo]

why is this so satisfying

[thorn thorn]

Evoker writers for aug and pres is good

[short pine]

depends on wat.

[viscid spear]

[thorn thorn]

Dev is susge

[winged sun]

Idk

[tawdry halo]

pres guide writers are elite

super easy to pock up pres if you spend like 20mins reading their guides

similar to rogue

[autumn idol]

rogue is def not that esy to pick up

one of the harder classes in the game

[tawdry halo]

*assassin then

idk

[thorn thorn]

Voulk is involved in almost anything healer related

[winged sun]

Its easily the hardest class in the game

Heavily weighted down by outlaw then the 2 other specs

[tawdry halo]

just dont play outlaw

ez

[autumn idol]

hear me out mage is hardest because there is no one that can pilot that class

[winged sun]

Outlaw is atleast 3 times harder than any spec in the game

Atm

[short pine]

idk man whenever i tried playing shadowpriest i kinda just played for an hour then didnt try again 4 times in a row

[thorn thorn]

If we are going by highest % of incompetent players

[novel swallow]

2nd shiv last duration of kingsbane or deathmark? with 4set

[thorn thorn]

Then arcane, aug, and shadow are the hardest specs in the game

[winged sun]

Arcane is omega easy afaik

[tawdry halo]

how does ret pally not make this list

[winged sun]

Its like sub rogue

But easier

[tawdry halo]

so many incompetent rets

[thorn thorn]

Doesnt stop people from being shit

[pulsar plank]

I think the hardest thing about rogue is nobody plays 1 spec

[winged sun]

Probably true ye

It does have a high barrier to entey

entry

[thorn thorn]

Ret is the second easiest spec to do dam in in M+

[winged sun]

Actually

Like

If u bring the most casual players

I think they’ll do giga negative dps on sub rogue

[tawdry halo]

hard to complete a key if you never kick tho

[winged sun]

For sure

[autumn idol]

not just sub

[thorn thorn]

"Healer issue"

[autumn idol]

both ass and sub are kinda un-intuitive in their own ways

[tawdry halo]

[autumn idol]

you just dont see it because you get used to it

[thorn thorn]

Bro they already do giga negative dps

If yall understood how easy aug actually was in keys you would never invite a random one again

[winged sun]

Nah i do see it

[thorn thorn]

Or even invite guildies that play it

[winged sun]

I know that assa is hard

In m+

very hard to play

[tawdry halo]

is it

?

[winged sun]

Not the hardest but its definitely hard

[autumn idol]

kinda is

[winged sun]

To play well yes

[tawdry halo]

huh

[winged sun]

U dont see it usually

[thorn thorn]

Multi-dotting is a skill most people lack

[winged sun]

But like

[thorn thorn]

Even though its very shrimple

[tawdry halo]

yeah true

[winged sun]

Once u actually play against a sin gamer

[tawdry halo]

i forget sometimes ive been playing rogue for 20 years

[winged sun]

Ur gonna find out ur losing on alot of dps

That u have no idea where its coming from

[thorn thorn]

If yall played in SL S4 and you seen surv hunters giga cranking on dps meters

[autumn idol]

i remember

[thorn thorn]

The actual surv players were doing significantly more than the fotm players were

Its the same deal

You think the spec is just good until you see someone who is actually capable of playing it to the fullest

And they shit all over you

[tawdry halo]

im always siuspicious of FOTM specs in pug m+

[winged sun]

“Destro lock is so easy its just rain of fire spam”

[thorn thorn]

I got to do a priory with a FDK otp that has been playing the spec and the game since wrath

[winged sun]

And then

U do

30% more dps

[thorn thorn]

Easiest 3 chest priory of my life

[winged sun]

Than the other destro

💀

[autumn idol]

or when i go mythic fractillus fatebound assa

and get

9 ambush procs in 96 mutilates + ambushes

[thorn thorn]

Just be lucky bozo

[tawdry halo]

yeah its easy

just roll high

game

[autumn idol]

i hate the rng casino wheel

[tawdry halo]

good news, winning streak is over

[sand otter]

ok im gonna try fatebound St wiht caustic on this pull

[autumn idol]

one opener i get seal fate coin crits + mutilates ending up doing mutilate envenom 7 times in my kingsbane deathmark window

[tawdry halo]

back to regular gambling

[sand otter]

im sucking hard

[autumn idol]

another pull i get

3 envenoms the entire window

thank you game

i love it

[viscid spear]

[autumn idol]

this did actually happen

[shut marsh]

how do i setup the weakauras stuff? i tried copy pasting link into it but it says it cannot be decompressed

[thorn thorn]

Just be more lucky, its that shrimple

[minor dagger]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[thorn thorn]

[autumn idol]

and also

that pull

my set did not proc

how turbo lowroll is that

[thorn thorn]

[autumn idol]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-ragebait-angry-gon-bait-gif-5270896389597269350

looking at this image actually makes me angry

[main bridge]

you copy and paste the WA text by clicking on "copy import"

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[autumn idol]

https://imgur.com/EVRehLn

[shut marsh]

;-;

[tawdry halo]

are you importing a WA, or like a plater script or something else?

[main bridge]

what's the WA?

you said you were pasting the link and i told you to press that copy button so it seems weird that you'd get the same error

[viscid spear]

https://media.giphy.com/media/Fgfo1l3tWSd7WA1uzE/giphy-downsized-large.gif

[main bridge]

[thorn thorn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1159545771998331022/1182291627151200296/attachment-3.gif

[sand otter]

Man i suck lmao

[split grail]

So I know we're buggy as all hell right now but: Has anyone else not been having ds mark apply on open of SOulbinder?

[haughty flicker]

nope

[split grail]

3 times now I've had to vanish after pull just to apply it

[winged sun]

10 min of matching pfp

Tf is that

Why would anyone buy any of that what the helly

[buoyant herald]

chronic debilitating loneliness

[thorn thorn]

Bro you are missing out on the biggest deal

Putting you in my status with a cute pet name

[buoyant herald]

bro whats a sleep call

is it literally what it says

crazy

[willow river]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[short pine]

figured out why i was losing darkest night

pillars in araz fight do not "die" i guess

[main bridge]

yep that's in the pins

[balmy condor]

you just vanish the boss after intermission

[sand otter]

Yeah, single target or M+ i do great but these cleave or add fights i am just bad.

[autumn idol]

lets do 10 minutes of matching pfos

price: 1 what the helly

[lusty narwhal]

Its dumb hey

[keen dome]

Can i ask classic mop question here?

[tawdry halo]

theres a classic discussion channel that's probably better

this is retail chat

[keen dome]

ty

nvm seems dead af xD

[tawdry halo]

[thorn thorn]

[keen dome]

it is ok, i'll figure it out

[red zealot]

Are all macros kinda just bugging now? my DM macro isnt going off anymore if I switch Trinkets

[main bridge]

no

if you paste the macro we might be able to point out some issues

[balmy condor]

@elfin flame next kill I got you for sure

400k ez

[wicked valve]

Hold down the fort, represent ass rogues everywhere!

[thorn thorn]

U got this

Tell your raid to let you pad next time

[hollow talon]

im free from jastor diamond jail

[balmy condor]

sadly that's uh

boss damage

not overall

[thorn thorn]

[balmy condor]

you see

the part that's cropped

so

don't look at my overall

[errant jacinth]

where does this ring drop?

[thorn thorn]

[red zealot]

#showtooltip
/use 13
/use 14
/cast Deathmark

[balmy condor]

true

that's a macro

[hollow talon]

boe from raid

but its soulbound

[errant jacinth]

that is insane, congrats man

[hollow talon]

i think the stats are random too

[devout hazel]

do we rupture

[hollow talon]

hopefully they fix all the ass bugs so i can use it properly

[red zealot]

idol simming more than priory signet T_T

[balmy condor]

like... in general?

[thorn thorn]

So does this mean that my raid is griefing me if adds stack with the boss

[balmy condor]

just

like

the ability?

[devout hazel]

soulbinder mythic

do i time any envenom with the 2 adds?

or do i care to 1 combo point rupture them

[thorn thorn]

[devout hazel]

or i skip them

[broken fractal]

Is it feasible to be able swap between Assas and Sub in raid?

[coral ibex]

yes

very easily

[broken fractal]

Cool

[coral ibex]

you could spec specifically for sub and have no issue on assa

except youd want a passive trinket too

[broken fractal]

So like gear towards Sub BiS

And then swap Assas on Single target fights?

[balmy condor]

well you would never 1cp

but you can snipe a rupture on the add sets, sure

[daring glen]

Just swap rings and neck when swaping between assa and sub

[vestal geyser]

running through nexus king right now and I read through the guide on wowhead, but if we run out of energy do we start pooling ever or do we just keep spamming envenom

[main bridge]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[balmy condor]

keep spamming

[vestal geyser]

kk, I figured but i wanted to make sure

thx

[peak bobcat]

do i have to play sub on salad bar or can i play fb with spatter

[main bridge]

fb with spatter is totally workable

[royal mauve]

Is there a way to do decent on adds for mythic loom without tanking my DMG completely? Or do I need to tell my raid to let me do my boss DMG thing 😂

[balmy condor]

Not on rogue

[subtle tundra]

semx

[velvet ridge]

Also on the topic of loom. Do the fake adds count as targets to lower our FB dmg, or is it only when they are broken do they become real

[balmy condor]

The fake adds do count

[velvet ridge]

Dam, that's rough

[subtle tundra]

welcome to fb

[balmy condor]

Bro my guild

Why are we like this

[zealous moth]

anyone else having a problem with araz's ritual forge somehow not syncing cd wih deathmark despite being macro'd together?

or is this just wow hating me in particular

[buoyant herald]

are you fatebound

[zealous moth]

nope, on deathstalker

i don't have 4set yet anyway

[fallow canopy]

based

[pure raptor]

Can anyone tell me why my DPS is so low? I think I'm mostly playing right, but my DPS and logs are so bad.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mWN4J3cpDqnLQKXk?fight=79&type=summary&source=726

[main bridge]

• immediately it seems like you are overcapping combo points or accumulating too many before using a finisher. FB requires 5+, that's it
• i'm not sure how much of a difference this makes for FB but i always open with ambush. your first cast was garrote. i think the combo points make this worth doing
• seeing tons of mutilates but not any rupture upkeep. be sure to keep both rupture and garrote up
• not seeing the second shiv after KB ends. every time you use KB there should be a shiv before, and then another as soon as the next one is up
• after you vanish you should cast garrote not just to keep garrote up, but because of Improved Garrote

[pure raptor]

Ahh,, I'll pay more attention to that. I actually always aim for 100% bleed uptime. And in the last 7 seconds of Kingsbane, I used a Shiv. But I feel like I dont know what Im doing in Fatebound.

Thx

[main bridge]

just make sure you do all that stuff every time and you should see a big increase in damage!

[haughty flicker]

real

just do the stuff and things

and do damage

[runic hinge]

I’m not gonna

[vestal geyser]

so we are now shivving immediately after the first shiv fades? last i checked it was last 8 seconds

[zealous moth]

not on fatebound

2set makes kingsbane longer than both shivs

[vestal geyser]

i see now on fatebound the wowhead says after the first shiv fades

[pure raptor]

But we put the first shiv befor DM and want to buff the last ticks of kingsbane right ?

[zealous moth]

correct

with 4 set

without it shiv before dm makes no difference

[zealous moth]

correction, with 2 set

got them mixed up

you want to shiv before DM because 2 set causes it to flip 2 coins

so if you get 2 tails with deathmark, they benefit from shiv's +Nature damage

[balmy condor]

No

You want to shiv before dm and then shiv immediately when that fades

You want shiv during deathmark

[zealous moth]

so not during last part of kb?

til

[balmy condor]

Not on deathmarks no

On non-deathmark kingsbanes yes

[zealous moth]

that makes sense

iirc, 4set doesnt let you cast 2 shivs during just kingsbane, right?

because of the cd reduction

or does it line up anyway?

[haughty flicker]

for fatebound you will only use one shiv on solo kingsbanes yes

once you have 4p

otherwise you wont have two shivs back up for deathmark

[pure raptor]

oh okay for the coins I understand

that is very helpful thanks

[mental thistle]

do you guys have any macro to meld+stealth ?

[zealous moth]

btw, noure, according to archon most people are running 2 vicious venoms instead of improved garrote + master assassin

don't know if that makes a difference in dps but may be worth checking

[balmy condor]

People are running master assassin?

[zealous moth]

MA jumpscare

[nova kelp]

There's a thing going around about a point in ma for more dps

Idk

[zealous moth]

but yeah, if you run those make sure to line up vanish with deathmark

unless you have 4 set, in which case probly just drop master assassin completely

[haughty flicker]

my guild got to loom tonight

tangle damage was atrocious so i had to swap to sub

its rik all over again

and i cry myself to sleep

[zealous moth]

lol

feelsbad

[buoyant herald]

this is about to be me as well

[nova kelp]

I mean. I don't think we're running ma ATM regardless of set but whatever

[haughty flicker]

because once again i dont get to play the game

[buoyant herald]

actually felt lucky to be on bench

[haughty flicker]

i get to play add simulator

[fallow canopy]

Just tell them to assign you to the most far away pylon

And then use that as an excuse

[haughty flicker]

actually by the end of it i was legit not even assigned to soak

i just stop getting asked to

[nova kelp]

I'ma be honest. I want to not run vv just for the Zoomer sin feels

[haughty flicker]

because if i was soaking we werent killing tangles

[fallow canopy]

That's rough

Ranged check?

[zealous moth]

ranged are busy trying to find their keyboard

leave them out of this

[haughty flicker]

tangle damage overall

was with me trolling on assa for like 5 pulls

[nova kelp]

What the fuck

[dense cedar]

actually getting griefed

[nova kelp]

What the fuck

[haughty flicker]

to be fair to one of the evokers she got put in like 2/3 of the way through and was playing aug at first

[zealous moth]

what the fuck are this people doing

[haughty flicker]

so not representative

[nova kelp]

I'm so mad at your raid

[zealous moth]

im just gonna assume they are both pres

[haughty flicker]

and that was a survival hunter

[fallow canopy]

Thats criminal ngl

[nova kelp]

I'm SO mad

Don't ever link something like that again

[zealous moth]

happened the same during rik to me

forced me to swap to sub for adds

suddenly im top dps on barrells by like half a bar

[runic hinge]

Do it I dare you

[zealous moth]

just ask your raiders to play the game instead of forcing us to go sub

[nova kelp]

I'll do it and parse really well just so people will come in here and annoy whispyr about ma

[golden loom]

I popped off on loomithar add dam

[balmy condor]

Rupture snipe gang

[runic hinge]

I had to loudly suggest multiple times that range target only the far barrels and not the ones already in melee so we’d stop wiping

[haughty flicker]

the dream

[zealous moth]

@ whispyr why is this guy parsing better than me?? help??

[runic basin]

💯

[haughty flicker]

rupture sniping is actually fun gameplay

ngl

[fallow canopy]

[golden loom]

booom

[haughty flicker]

i like that it exists

[fallow canopy]

popped them tangles

[nova kelp]

Does sudden demise proc on tangles?
Asking for a friend

[fallow canopy]

👨‍🍳

[runic basin]

When you need to hard swap an tangles, you know, your raid is dog..

[golden loom]

just have ele shamans in your raid and you never have to swap

[haughty flicker]

our shaman is enhance

refuses to play ele

[nova kelp]

Yeah ww adds look similar

[haughty flicker]

which is incredibly based

ive never respected someone more

has the option to play a filthy fotm wizard but has the willpower not to

[fallow canopy]

Extremely based

[haughty flicker]

maybe inting the raid a bit but fuck wizards

[nova kelp]

So instead you play filthy fotm piss class

[zealous moth]

quick make a wish

[balmy condor]

If he’s as shit at tank as he is at rogue

I pray for your key

[haughty flicker]

[zealous moth]

what did he do to you ;-;

[balmy condor]

“I play rogue so I try to give you restealth” is like

Top 10 hints that he does not play rogue

And doesn’t know shit

[runic hinge]

Does follow the blood change the fok rules enough

[balmy condor]

Same logic

I think

Idk

Been a while

[runic hinge]

Still 3 then

[haughty flicker]

[runic hinge]

3.5!!!

Ok

I needed to know I’m right okay?

[balmy condor]

It’s definitely not 4 I’ll tell you that

[runic hinge]

Sick

I am correct and not a rage baiter

[haughty flicker]

[runic hinge]

Okay maybe I am but in this case it wasn’t intentional

[pure raptor]

Ou i copy paste the build from a 8/8 mhytic last Session Rogue by a pug raid and i thought he knows whta he does because im the casualiest Player. Im not deep into it for example i know what warcraftlogs is but i dont know how i read that🤣

[zealous moth]

oh we rage baiting?

auto tea bad

please dont ban me

[balmy condor]

I look up top player
I get baited

[nova kelp]

Ross powers

[balmy condor]

A TALE AS OLD AS TIME ITSELF

[runic hinge]

Long story short a guy was wondering since momentum of despair is bugged if it changes the fok logic and I was like well do you think your fok dps on a 3 or 4 pull even matters? And then I asked how many times a dungeon he’s doing a 3 pull and he told me to stop rage baiting him so yeah I’m a bad person

[balmy condor]

I believe it

[runic hinge]

I’ve been known

[cunning needle]

maybe he just wants the rogue to have fun

and the tank is a nice and friendly player

[balmy condor]

True

[haughty flicker]

actually based

restealths are fun

[cunning needle]

if im doing a weekly 10 on my tank alt

im letting the rogue restealth

[shell plaza]

wake up
no fixes
why is thsi happening

[nova kelp]

People always ask me about restealth. I'm like "bro I so don't care". They're always so insanely surprised.

[haughty flicker]

you're going to be disappointed for a very long time

[fallen arch]

‘Just pull’ and they go mad

[haughty flicker]

this shit is not getting fixed its a rogue bug

go ask sub how often their bugs get fixed

[cunning needle]

its a negative rogue bug*

[fallen arch]

It’s intentional gameplay

[shell plaza]

nooooo 😩

[cunning needle]

if it was positive damage it'd be fixed 3 days ago

[haughty flicker]

i just wish the tier bug wasnt so disruptive otherwise i wouldnt even care

idc about the other bugs bc i dont notice them

we live on

[runic hinge]

Is waiting for the actually projectile lucky coin the fix for the tier

[zealous moth]

yep

[haughty flicker]

yeah you just afk in your cds

its pretty sick

overall its whatever

but it feels great

[zealous moth]

jst got 4 set now i need to farm a lily

fuck

[haughty flicker]

i got myth lily in vault

big trinky

[grim jay]

If we start shooting out or throwing out coins

I will reroll asap for the first time in over a decade

[zealous moth]

just got the tails flip combo bug

that's so fucking weird

the spaghetti code is real

[fallen arch]

What trinkets we all running for m+?

[grim jay]

Araz/prism + pacemaker for now

Antenna dodging me

[zealous moth]

Twisting Mana Sprite and Symbiotic Ethergauze

crimson vial sprite build

[fallen arch]

Right

[fallen arch]

U swap any for raid?

[zealous moth]

but yeah, what he said

Lily when running fatebound bc of the cd

[fallen arch]

Cos I got sac/prism/lily/pacemaker

[zealous moth]

and antenna / pacemaker is fine

[rigid fable]

dumb question... can i use deathmark in middle of pack?

[grim jay]

Nah, only araz for DS and prism for FB would be the case

[grim jay]

Just use prism and pacemaker everywhere

[rigid fable]

i mean half hp of pc

pack*

[fallen arch]

U dont swap to lily on st?

[fallen arch]

If the target lives long enough yes

[grim jay]

No, prism better

[fallen arch]

Aight thanks

[grim jay]

mythic lily is slightly better than heroic prism, as far as my sims went

[snow hamlet]

[rigid fable]

But it might seem weird... every time I used Deathmark when the pack's health was a bit above half, my damage didn't increase.

[grim jay]

Deathmark is a priority damage tool first and foremost in aoe

[haughty flicker]

yeah deathmark is next to worthless in aoe

you're getting more value from the trinket and pot you potentially have bound to it

[lusty kraken]

doesn't deathmark speed up kingsbane damage?

or are you just talking about bleed build

[distant plinth]

It speeds up caustic spatter aswell no?

[ebon prism]

how are the high-end sin rogues feeling in M+? staying sin or swapping sub?

[grim jay]

How can a simple debuff that has no inherent damage ticks be sped up

[grim jay]

It only lets you ramp it faster, but that doesnt matter for m+ bcs you dont play kb there anyways

[oak tangle]

exsanguinate

heh

[grim jay]

Give it back

[oak tangle]

i mean that's kinda the reverse functionality of dm i guess

dm + exang, double bleeds ticking for half duration

Xd

[grim jay]

I mean they kinda do somewhat the same but different

[green harbor]

[oak tangle]

what was the sub version of rupture before it got removed

i wish deathstalker was that

night something, was it nightblade?

[jolly stirrup]

If everything goes well, me and my guild clear HC on monday and jump into Mythic on Monday as well

[ebon prism]

gloomblade?

[oak tangle]

nah, it was sub's version of rupture, made targets take more damage

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=195452/nightblade

[dense cedar]

#bringbacknightblade

[buoyant pilot]

I’m so happy mythic “FUCKING TROLL ROGUE WHY NO DAMAGE ON TANGLES” Loominar isn’t a later boss….

(I do swap, which is the sad part)

(I explain how spec works, nobody cares)

[dawn seal]

hello good morning team can someone bestow guidance upon me

and tell me my mistakes https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Qq7Z1KJPz8BhxwYt?fight=27&type=damage-done&source=325

[last zephyr]

if I understood correctly from a video assa rogue is bugged? anyone knows if it's still viable for high keys? (~14)

[dawn seal]

is it gear issue

I dont think so since its green I have skill issue D:

[night vessel]

it is viable, it is just not as good as is could be. the damage is still good

[dawn seal]

@golden loom :o

help me frien

[night vessel]

so the first issue is definitly gear. 693 is pretty low atm

[last zephyr]

do you think it will be fixed? from my understanding it's a bug that it lacks some splatter smg or smth

[dawn seal]

oh okei

its my alt so I am not sure if its suppose to make it a green

I think I fucked up big time

I love coinflipping its so fun

I wanna be like whispyr one day

[night vessel]

maybe it will, who knows. one of the issues is the funnel. we play DS in m+ and a huge portion of our funnel damage comes from singular focus of caustic spatter. that does not work at the moment.

we still do have funnel through bleeds but caustic does no funnel damage which is a huge portion

[golden loom]

you didnt get a final deathmark in either

[wind anvil]

It's ok. I'm middle of the pack in my group on tangles. But come p2 I'm usually top dmg

[dawn seal]

btw is our cd window

shif dm kb vanish

does it start like that

[wind anvil]

Bruh caustic is my top dmg non stop

[night vessel]

was the same for me but then i did like 11% of boss damage which killed it in the end so that was fine

[golden loom]

0:08 -> 1:46 -> 2:50 (nice tier set bug btw) -> no more cast

[night vessel]

yes, caustic aoe works. but it does not funnel into your target

[dawn seal]

ah yeh

isnt tierset bug really good

or isi t badge

[buoyant pilot]

Yeah, this is the second kill we've gotten, so it's on farm and with gear increase % buff it's going to be trivial, but still, I was just thinking how shit it would be if it was any harder. Would have to start a powerpoint explaining how WE contribute to this fight (or go sub OMEGALUL). Yesterday I delayed my cd's a few times to hard swap and it was still so low damage, it's hilarious. Next kill full send into boss though

[golden loom]

well not getting the final cast in there is bad, but idk I just hate the tierset bug cause it makes reading logs even more of a headache

[night vessel]

yeah they made me go outlaw for the first few progression pulls because our range players did not switch to tangle properly.

[dawn seal]

ohh yeah

[dusty phoenix]

I feel that

[red schooner]

My raid leader told me just to tunnel, then the arcane mage is like 'why no add damage from rogue'

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/682994239088623616/1075066507790397491/mageistalking.gif

[distant plinth]

Huh? DM doubles the bleeds and spatter cleaves with bleed dmg?

[haughty flicker]

spatter does not in fact cleave bleeds

nature damage only

bleeds are physical

[distant plinth]

ahhhh

5/8 mythic still has no clue about spatter GG blizzard

[haughty flicker]

its ok reading is for nerds

just press buttons good

[distant plinth]

TRUE AND REAL

[quiet oar]

I have less Damage than healers on the Tangles

[haughty flicker]

must be a blessed time

any fight like this i know ahead of time im gonna have to go sub solely for adds

and it sure did happen again

[strange onyx]

This what your tangle damage should look like https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4RXbz8m2CBcVr9Jh?fight=36&type=damage-done&options=65538&target=323

[quiet oar]

Tbh Tangle also have the Timings

[red schooner]

I think I had a couple mil damage on tangles in total but I had the web and panicked a bit

[quiet oar]

Always with KB or DM and KB

So you dont want to swap

[haughty flicker]

yeah it was very cursed

[quiet oar]

I even have the Honor to stay on Boss on Forgeweaver for the first Soak

[haughty flicker]

meanwhile our tangle damage tonight

[quiet oar]

Only Melee who is allowed to

[haughty flicker]

[quiet oar]

Got a Trash drop yesterday

Who needs Taszavesh Hardmode?

[haughty flicker]

holy

[quiet oar]

I have now 12% Movespeed

Becasue my mythic Shoulder also have speed

[vale fox]

fellas when you get to p2 platforms on Nexus King; do you spread some ruptures around? or just full blast the titan and cleave with caustic on everything else

[red schooner]

Never let them know you can play sub

[vale fox]

and in the dmg amp phase where he kills the dragon; do you pop DM there or wait for that to end? cuz i find DM on like a 12s cd when we enter that phase

[quiet oar]

I mean tis irrelevant

But the 33% increased dmg taken and Execute is nice

[red schooner]

Yeah but me and bel are in RFWL guilds. It is chaos down here

[haughty flicker]

[amber brook]

How does evasion work? Cant have my back on the facing the enemy?

[quiet oar]

Yes, you have to face the enemy

[amber brook]

dam

[red schooner]

I just hard swapped night one, tanked my damage and then showed that to the raid leader and he's just... Yeah, you tunnel boss now

Gotta suffer one night per tier to remind him

[haughty flicker]

i honestly couldve done the same

but i know im going to speed up prog if i just play sub and send everything on tangles

[red schooner]

I'm not even sandbagging I'm just doing what the call says. Hardswap to adds.

[haughty flicker]

i int my parse and any amount of fun i could be having

[red schooner]

Okay boss

[haughty flicker]

but we probably kill faster

[haughty flicker]

ye we have a few people just tunneling boss

so we arent in that phase perma

[red schooner]

That was me

Life was okay

Now we have to fight Araz and we've... Never been this far into a raid this early in the tier and its just, oh god, what do

[quiet oar]

We got him to 30% and almost made it to P3 Yesterday after we recleared everyhting

And come Sunday we probably kill him and Fractillus

Pacing this Tier feels weird

Where you can be at 6/8 standing at Nexus King

without any change of killing it

Im glad we didnt do the 3 Days thing for the first three weeks

[red schooner]

Yeah we ain't really sure how it'll be, we killed loomithar in 2 pulls on Wednesday (after spending all of tuesday dying to it) and our raid leader was just... 'Yeah I didn't expect us to kill the moth this quick today'

[quiet oar]

what 3% and edtra items do

[red schooner]

Also having the main roster there, Tuesday was an optional raid day and we barely scraped 20 together

[quiet oar]

Yeah makes sense

[red schooner]

Got 17℅ with a scuffed roster so the moth just fell over on Wednesday

[tiny plank]

In raid with fatebound, how do I optimize the shiv chargers (given 4 piece)?
Here is what I am doing:

• In opener I shiv before Deathmark, KB and then again when 8 sec are left on KB
• Next shiv I do again on the last 8 sec of the next KB
• Then I pool 2 shiv charges for the next DM and KB window

But that leads to overcapping shiv chargers during the fight.

[brisk forge]

Can someone linke m+ version of Fatebound? i just want to try it out 😛

[haughty flicker]

only thing wrong here is during deathmark shiv the entire deathmark

instead of the end of kingsbane

[slow helm]

DH, Paladin or warrior tank?

[haughty flicker]

you'll overcap shiv a bit holding it but thats just how it has to work

[haughty flicker]

paladin and dh, dh had to swap to tank a few pulls in because other tanks power went out

[slow helm]

.. what's the warrior doing

[haughty flicker]

the people below the second pally were all told to hard target boss at least

but they were told that because they were doing garbage tangle damage so idk

[red schooner]

I was below one of the healers on tangle damage

[haughty flicker]

[slow helm]

[shell plaza]

[tiny plank]

gotcha thanks.
I am also trying to understand why my envenom damage is low. We still finish with 5+ CB on fatebound, right? (here is a log: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LFAgQWrzYbhcCR19?type=damage-done&fight=47&source=50)
When looking at logs from rogues with similar ilvl but better parses their envenom dmg is much higher (also their kingsbane and Hand of Fate dmg)

Am I rotationally doing something wrong or what else could cause that? %crit?

[quiet oar]

I think also a reason why you dont parse goo

Is because your Kill time is very high

5 minutes is kinda long

[dusty phoenix]

I mean we do profit from longer execute window especially if you can send cds twice into it

[haughty flicker]

signet is rough

as fatebound

you really wanna go get a lily or prism

2m trinket as 90s spec hurts

very minor thing is try not to refresh rupture in between your two cold blood envenoms

[brave stump]

and didnt vanish

in dm window

[haughty flicker]

oh fuck i missed that entirely lmao

yeah you want to vanish with deathmark

[brave stump]

here we go

!dj

wtf bot

where

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gato-funny-dj-festa-gif-15160628

[jolly stirrup]

!dj

Bot dead

[haughty flicker]

[jolly stirrup]

[prisma monolith]

Vanishing On Fatebound

• you vanish for double jeopardy, a Fatebound talent
• this causes your next flip to flip an additional coin, and this coin can be an edge-case coin
• because of this, you want to vanish when you know the next flip is an edge-case flip
• edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
• you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst

Vanishing On Fatebound

• you vanish for double jeopardy, a Fatebound talent
• this causes your next flip to flip an additional coin, and this coin can be an edge-case coin
• because of this, you want to vanish when you know the next flip is an edge-case flip
• edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
• you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst

[jolly stirrup]

[haughty flicker]

he bacc

[grim vigil]

which rogue spec is best for m+ after assa nerfs

[jolly stirrup]

Assa got nerfed?

[brave stump]

more bugged

[red schooner]

Bleed

[tiny plank]

yeah. I missed the vanish in opening. but I got lucky coin pretty quicky. I wasn't aware that I should vanish then every DM window where it is up. Thanks

[brave stump]

sub

Outlaw

[red schooner]

Nah bleed still pretty good

[brave stump]

ye 100%

[red schooner]

Turns out losing a small % of a fucktonne of damage still results in you doing a fucktonne of damage

[brave stump]

but 15%

[grim vigil]

so i can just stick to assa because im too dumb for sub fr

[red schooner]

Ye

[haughty flicker]

assa is still very good in keys yeah

[runic basin]

When we close our discord that blizzard fix buggs

[brave stump]

lol

no

[quiet oar]

Oh no Rogue Discord vanishes oh no

Thats what we are supposed to do

smh my head

[haughty flicker]

despite losing 69% of our damage to bugs

[tiny plank]

Bel, Shizo, thanks for your help. Will farm Lily trinket and practice my vanish usage, then see where I stand.

[haughty flicker]

assa good

[runic hinge]

Several people might notice

[grim vigil]

should i hold idol trinket from hoa for deathmark or just send before shivs?

[brave stump]

dm whispyr all the questions

[haughty flicker]

you should throw that shit in the ocean

couldnt pay me enough to use a channel trinket

[grim vigil]

its what i have

😄

[haughty flicker]

but yes use it with deathmark

probably just before it

[dusty phoenix]

tbh the boss just died when you casted 2nd dm in amp execute phase. you wouldve parsed higher if you held that dm for 35% and just used kingsbane without dm on the start of the phase. because apart from not using vanish you were doing good from what I can see

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/windwaker-zelda-link-gif-5848623

[haughty flicker]

[thorn thorn]

[tiny plank]

Hmm, thanks for that. Something to consider. Our kill timings are all different at the moment. But I need to keep this in mind as an option. I guess it becomes even more important as we get faster.

[quiet oar]

We have like 0 Antenna drops

[dusty phoenix]

hold pot for it aswell to be max obnoxious

xd

just fully juice the 35 execute amp phase

[quiet oar]

Neither in Normal, nor in Heroic and not even in Mythic

[haughty flicker]

i got a warbound antenna from heroic

[shrewd night]

Skill dif

[quiet oar]

True

[brave stump]

we had drop 1 yesterday and we had 0 vaults with it in it, after the warlock received the trinket I made a meme about it that he is the guy who received the antenna and now its message of the day, so everyone remembers who got the first antenna

[quiet oar]

and i think no Araz Forge

[brave stump]

so everyone can be mad at him

[shrewd night]

Nah, we dont mention forge loudly in this chat on a friday

[haughty flicker]

can i speak its name softly

[shrewd night]

You can whisper it in my ear

[dense cedar]

im using tilt controls

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-gif-20175115

[shrewd night]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-stop-it-i-dont-want-to-play-i-dont-want-to-i-dont-want-to-play-this-game-anymore-gif-9148150749665985218

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-lizard-lizard-button-lizard-tom-the-lizard-pixar-gif-17194109322617058326

[balmy condor]

what did you say about me

[quiet oar]

[red schooner]

Shit, he's here, run

[brave stump]

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/chapelle-show-black-bush-panic-scram-gif-5629397

[jolly stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/run-run-away-penguins-faster-snow-gif-7348158

[shrewd night]

Hey shorty, I like the way you ass it up

[balmy condor]

I like you shien, you a funny mfer

I'll let you stick it in my wisdom tooth cavity later bb girl

[shrewd night]

Awh fuck

Hes drunk

Time to go

[earnest remnant]

[balmy condor]

it's the perfect size for you

I measured

[red schooner]

[shrewd night]

https://tenor.com/view/here-we-go-again-bunty-chicken-run-dawn-of-the-nugget-not-again-here-it-comes-gif-14258973560593841984

[jolly stirrup]

Ok wtf

[quiet oar]

What did i just read

[balmy condor]

bro my bottom left wisdom tooth

cratered on monday

like the entire tooth just collapsed

I got a hole

[proper seal]

are people generally playing sub instead of sin in keys now due to the bugs or is sub just better?

[jolly stirrup]

Why not getting them removed?

[red schooner]

Have you booked a dentist appointment yet?

[jolly stirrup]

I had all 4 taken out at the same time

[quiet oar]

Yeah Wisdom teeth is painful

[rotund oak]

ive payed about 450Euros in July,full dentist care

[balmy condor]

well I have to now

[balmy condor]

yah I went yesterday morning, today I'm getting dental sealants on some healthy teeth as a preventative, and then the teeth come out on the 18th

[elfin flame]

HE'S RAMPING

[balmy condor]

my wisdom teeth came in TOO GOOD it's actually aids

like they came in so perfectly straight

that they actually came up too far

and I've apparently had permanent gum inflamation

and my gums have like grown around the wisdom tooth

which is why it got such a bad cavity in the first place

real ugly

[brave stump]

he had too much wisdom

[haughty flicker]

arent you worried they were the source of your power

what happens when you lose them

[brave stump]

its like he isnt prepared for raid now

[rotund oak]

extraction^^

and minor therapy

hemostatic

20-30min job

[brave stump]

he's not socketing

[rotund oak]

dont have to

[haughty flicker]

i straight up just never grew wisdom teeth

im dumb as fuck

[orchid pewter]

I wish

[balmy condor]

the good thing is that because my wisdom teeth grew like a fucking beansprout

they're easy to take out

apparently

but they're concerned that when they try to pull the tooth out

it's gonna like

[rotund oak]

its suggested to remove them sometime in your life

[balmy condor]

disintegrate

[rotund oak]

but apparently its when the problem arises

ive had them removed in like 20 years ago

[shrewd night]

Wish I didnt have all my wisdoom tooths taken out, the painkillers they gave me after that surgery was the fucking shit bro

[balmy condor]

bro had his teeth removed before I was born

[rotund oak]

yup,least u dont feel like u have shizors in your mouth slicing you

[rotund oak]

😂

[balmy condor]

bro I didn't feel them at all

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

the only reason I know my wisdom teeth exist

is because now one of them is turning to dust

and it's like

mildly uncomfortable

[rotund oak]

yeah u will have to remove them

infections cause heart issues

[haughty flicker]

how do you not

notice having teeth

[balmy condor]

they're like any other teeth

idk

[rotund oak]

they are different though,its an evolutionary ''wrong'' we have left from previous hominids

the moment they start growing in size they create pressure in ur mouth that results to stuff like fructures etc

[shrewd night]

Waiting till the last moment to schedule his dentist appointment. First it was richard, then it was whispyr.

[balmy condor]

bro I can like

barely see my wisdom teeth

if I try really hard I can like almost see them

how am I supposed to know

it's fine

they just take em out back

wisdom teeth in a farm upstate

[shrewd night]

"Inflamed gums are normal" Whispyr 2025

[red schooner]

Are inflamed gums bis now?

[balmy condor]

HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHAT INFLAMED GUMS ARE LIKE I JUST LOOKED AT MY MOUTH AND WAS LIKE YEP WISDOM TEETH THEYRE REALLY FAR BACK THERE

[shrewd night]

"This pain I feel in my gums is just karma for releasing a 3h assa vid on youtube, aint nothing wrong with my teeth" - Whispyr 2025

[shell plaza]

how can you even sim the inflamed gums ?

[humble verge]

i have an interview on thursday

[shell plaza]

cant find it in the bot

[rotund oak]

u dont even need to see it,trust,a smol injection with tranq,then two minor cuts they pull it out,vouala,problem solved.You will have to bite on some hemostatic which is disgusting in taste for like 40min to stop the bleeding and then the open wound closes in like 3-4days

fear not

its ez

[shell plaza]

chances of going horribly wrong are very low ye

[haughty flicker]

but not 0

[rotund oak]

..

[balmy condor]

if you sim all buffs aoe patchwerk and then loudly say "dungeonslice sucks, that's why I sim 8t 1:30min it's much better"

then my gums will become inflamed all on their own

[shrewd night]

[shell plaza]

like breaking everything with one hotfix

[humble verge]

https://fxtwitter.com/TylerTinted/status/1961166806577787002 actual peak wtf

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[haughty flicker]

damn that goes hard

[ebon prism]

double on-use is not rly good for sin right? i have lily and netherprism

[shrewd night]

https://tenor.com/view/peak-dance-emote-blue-sailor-gif-9249673811120319039

[jolly stirrup]

I hope you have no complications

[balmy condor]

my left eye is twitching

which one of you guys did something dumb

[haughty flicker]

not a ray mysterio fan i guess

[red schooner]

Who ratted me out wtf

[balmy condor]

correct

[runic hinge]

Me again

[shrewd night]

https://preview.redd.it/cmwacivdaulf1.jpeg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=356cd379eef6c1eecf41a9305cc9513a5819344d

[jolly stirrup]

I died to first soulhunter mechanic because raidlead said just collect orbs

In HC

I collected like 8

Doed

[warm vortex]

I mean

Most people can't

as their eyes are outside of their head

and their teeth are inside their mouth

[haughty flicker]

holy

[balmy condor]

thank you, I'm enjoying using my cratered wisdom tooth like a mini-hydroflask

[haughty flicker]

you might be onto something

wow

[balmy condor]

I can just drink a monster

[warm vortex]

*on something

[shrewd night]

How can mirrors be real if our eyes arent real

[haughty flicker]

i didnt need that imagery

thanks

[balmy condor]

and hold like a lil bit

in my wisdom tooth

like a cyanide pill

and then shake my head

[warm vortex]

Whispyr

[jolly stirrup]

Jesus

[balmy condor]

and get a lil sip

[warm vortex]

I think it might be a better idea to just consume water

currently

[shrewd night]

Honestly

[balmy condor]

monster is mostly water

[shrewd night]

Sometimes I wish I had the power to ban people of my own rank

[night vessel]

so whispyrs wisdom teeth get fixed before assa bugs get fixed and BOTH before gta 6.

[balmy condor]

the tooth is dead anyway what's the downside

[jolly stirrup]

So is the human body, still we don't consume that

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

"you're gonna ruin your teeth whispyr"

okay but if the tooth is already ruined?

also the rest of my teeth are healthy

and the rest of my gums as well

dentist was happy

fuck you I'm shotgunning a white monster at 1:43 am

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

who's gonna stop me

[warm vortex]

Zombie tooth

[balmy condor]

I'm god

[warm vortex]

"grahhh"

[night vessel]

yeah but i thought wisdom teeth did cleave damage

[quiet oar]

Jsut pretend he is hacked again

and you can take him out

[night vessel]

like the one faulty teeth is going to envenom the others

[haughty flicker]

save some of the monster in your tooth for when you get to the dentist

in case you get thirsty

[balmy condor]

🍌

[night vessel]

imagine the dentist sipping that thing empty with a tiny straw

[balmy condor]

I can't, they're gonna suck it out with their dumb little straw and I'm gonna be sad

[warm vortex]

You can just ban me to releve some fustration

[shrewd night]

Wait, real?

[quiet oar]

[haughty flicker]

well now hes screwed

either he says yes and gets banned

or says no and gets banned for lying

[shrewd night]

Spreading misinformation in spec channels is a bannable offense if its egregious enough 😠

[haughty flicker]

[quiet oar]

Ferals are the temu version of Assas

[red schooner]

Real

[quiet oar]

[night vessel]

imagine

[edgy mauve]

what in the bob ross scenery is that

[shrewd night]

You looked good as a whitename ngl

[red schooner]

He took my role from me and tried to bait me with the honeypot channel

[vale fox]

how do you guys play the p2 nexus king? i want to parse a little better but im not sure if i should be spreading rupture around or just ST the Titan and cleave with caustic

[quiet oar]

[night vessel]

!bugs

hmpf

[red schooner]

If we aren't allowed to bully the ferals then who are we allowed to bully?

[quiet oar]

Boomkins

[night vessel]

hunters and droods

[red schooner]

And mages. And ret paladins

[shrewd night]

Youre allowed to bully ferals, we just bite so you gotta be ready for that

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-cat-sad-cat-me-when-i-dont-get-orod-tickets-gif-13399313231964052110

[red schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/glblglblgb-gif-24373863

[night vessel]

but i was a mage myself until i converted to the dark side of rogues

[quiet oar]

Vendetten got nonverbal, after offering Koffing to ban him

[shrewd night]

https://tenor.com/view/catjam-cat-disco-catjamming-gif-16989864924126703156

[warm vortex]

Oh uhh

Sure ig, but can i come back

like immediatly after

[shrewd night]

I dont think thats how bans work

[warm vortex]

I'm too dumb to abide by the laws of physics

[shrewd night]

You know what

Same

[warm vortex]

:D

[quiet oar]

MM and BM Hunters*

Survival are chads

[warm vortex]

Got curve last night and i thought i did pretty well
Parsed blue, and was kinda confused so i looked at logs

Turns out there are less SV parses on H dimmy than aug parses

and when you have 2 passive trinkets and no mythic weapon

It's hard to parse well when there are that fewXD

[night vessel]

imagine being fucking meele robin hood

[warm vortex]

Is this the face of mercy

[haughty flicker]

having the option of being a ranged loser and refusing to

will always be based

[quiet oar]

Imagine being an MM or BM Virgin

They dont have a Spear

[rotund oak]

[red schooner]

Yes

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-attack-rat-attack-have-at-thee-gif-11648161592664583090

[rotund oak]

DHs are a favorite

[warm vortex]

Ok well depending on what edible things you bring it probably is mercy

[thorn thorn]

[rotund oak]

[silent breach]

I feel like I see a feral 1/100 lobbies but that guy is fucking shredding

[strange onyx]

I would kill myself

[red schooner]

I mean yeah, shred is one of their rotational abilities

[clever sparrow]

when do we cast nether prism in M+?

[crisp venture]

on dm

[clever sparrow]

how many stacks tho?

no matter?

[real sinew]

When you press dm

[pliant flame]

yeah on DM Cooldown and also if the last boss of the dungeon has like 20% hp and you dont have any cooldowns coming up in the next 2 minutes you can press on trinket cooldown just to max out the last little dps 😄

[terse otter]

guys hows assa now with all those bugs ? Is he losing like 20% dps in m+ ? my rogue friend is driving crazy and he like i need to swicth, assa is bugged i should do 20% more

[static glacier]

not 20%, but it's a non negligible amount

[red schooner]

But sin still blasts in keys

[static glacier]

^

still do notably more as sin than sub

[pliant flame]

I feel a little weaker as before but im still top dps in most keys...but im also just a pleb playing 12s...

And I feel like the statement "you should do 20%" is questionable in itself xD

[red schooner]

And like, if you ain't pushing, who gives a fuck play whatever

[pliant flame]

and why is he driving himself "crazy" about your class? 😄

[lusty kraken]

I love how initially it was 10%, then it became 15%, and now it's 20%

[red schooner]

Can't believe the bugs got us for 25%

[static glacier]

close the discord cmon pack it up

[terse otter]

i mean, every1 is pushing, just different key levels right ? 😄 hes just losing his mind and i was just like well, in week1 u had 720weapon, now every1 has it and every1 is pumping now, its like he expected to do 2mil overall more than others or idk

[lusty kraken]

if they don't fix the bugs they will have to compensate with a 30% aura buff

[pliant flame]

Its that Youtube Short that went viral on why Casual is now playing sub instead of Assa and it was said the hidden nerf was 15%

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-packing-my-bags-getting-ready-to-go-stanley-hudson-leslie-david-baker-gif-12300996

[gaunt sigil]

It’s crazy cause the season I stop caring about spec balance and just playing what I want I beat my peak IO in 2 weeks

[lusty kraken]

yeah but it's still funny how the amount increases with each iteration

[red schooner]

I still top keys I'm in when playing sin, yeah the bugs lower the numbers but you're gonna play better on a spec you're comfortable with, even with bugs, than trying to swap to something you're less familiar with

[balmy condor]

realistically it's llike

6% or something

[red schooner]

26%

[gaunt sigil]

That’s a bigger buff than ret got

[lusty kraken]

no, it's 35%

[gaunt sigil]

The bugs reduce our damage by like 69% guys cmon

[static glacier]

∞%

[gaunt sigil]

Don’t make it up to be better than it is

[balmy condor]

cause you're getting +2% from sanguine, -1% from momentum, and then -4ish key dependant from singular focus, throw in some of the other minor bullshit bugs

and it's like

-5%