assassination

[waxen oyster]

blizz is telling you to play a high iq spec like frost dk

[rigid swallow]

what am I doing wrong with KB ? you got 138M i got 93M

[lusty narwhal]

I havent posted mine

[rigid swallow]

y sry was the one of muffin ^^

[mint urchin]

KB is dependent on many factors

Are you in lust, are you getting good poison procs, are you getting enough envenom casts in

[lusty narwhal]

Crits as well very helpful

[mint urchin]

Yeah, did your final tick crit

are you maxing shiv usage

[waxen oyster]

shiv covering it

and having env buff are the biggest

[viscid spear]

They'd have to want to play Sub first

[waxen oyster]

Sub is cool, im half afk between add spawns

on araz

[lusty narwhal]

Learning sub during forgeweaver prog atm lmao

Fun on that boss

[ripe bobcat]

is there a good use for 2 on use trinkets as DS or FB assa? got araz and prism today and saw some people play both

[waxen oyster]

until the boomy knocks on your secret hit

yeah

[lusty narwhal]

Yeah seen that a few times lol

[waxen oyster]

politely mail him a bomb

[lusty narwhal]

Getting the timing right as well is a bit tricky but not too bad

I hate playing danse though

[digital venture]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lusty narwhal]

Using backstab over ss is cringe

[lusty narwhal]

Dont think Ive seen both except on sub

[upper spear]

does shadowmeld count as a restealth in M+?

[waxen oyster]

it counts as a combat drop on trash

[mint urchin]

Yes

[waxen oyster]

assuming you dont take damage before you hit stealth again

[mint urchin]

I believe it also procs MA and IC no?

[upper spear]

got it, so you have to meld then stealth?

[runic hinge]

You know what’s crazy? It seems to work so good in ecodome. Like I never have trouble with it in that instance

[ripe bobcat]

ok maybe i didnt look correct but i will check again. Which one is the better on use from you opinion?

[waxen oyster]

meld dont take any damage

dont move an inch

hit stealth when combat drops

[iron vapor]

what's the fatebound burst window looking like now with the edge case shenanigans?

[mint urchin]

Do you actually need to hit stealth other then just to get movement?

[grave token]

I'm jumping back into the game after a 15.5 year break. Lich King was the most current expansion when I quit. I was a good raider when I stopped and am looking to get there again. What do you think I should know about today's environment?

[main bridge]

edge case isn't a new thing and that's just how the spec works. nothing changed. you can check any log to see it

[upper spear]

i see people in PVP do it all the time

so had me thinking

[waxen oyster]

well you’re not in stealth

until you hit it

since all meld does is drop combat

[main bridge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[main bridge]

read this ^

[mint urchin]

So it doesnt proc MA? I thought it did

[waxen oyster]

on trash it would when you re

[upper spear]

i see it proc IC for sure in PVP

[waxen oyster]

bosses have an aura around them that keeps you in combat

[upper spear]

which that alone, from a QOL perspective, i feel like is worth?

[mint urchin]

Its like having a half vanish every 3? minutes

[grave token]

I know guides, but I meant more like things to make sure I do or avoid? Or which server would be good for an Alliance rogue? I'll be doing WoW full time.

[mint urchin]

Its not that significant compared to other racials

[waxen oyster]

meld was big in pvp in bfa

[mint urchin]

in PVP its big

[iron vapor]

so are we shiv, DM, KB/CB macro, vanish, envenom, envenom, shiv last 8 seconds of KB?

[waxen oyster]

could meld re and sap someone

[mint urchin]

but pve is decent

[iron vapor]

or are we delaying the first shiv until KB hits 16 seconds?

[waxen oyster]

Im just saying

if you have a dot on you

or adhd move before re

it will fail

[iron vapor]

server is largely irrelevant these days. for stuff to avoid: hybrid build in M+ until you're doing actually high keys, worrying about secondary stats (they're ALL good, just max ilvl)

[main bridge]

only addition i would make is that some servers have a large population of people that speak other languages than English

[nova kelp]

Hybrid even in high keys is kinda just bad now

[iron vapor]

prioritise getting a decent main hand (crafted 720iLvL is the way) 4 set of the season tier armour and 2 good trinkets

[mint urchin]

Well server AH matters a bit and I guess work orders, but otherwise agreed

[iron vapor]

anything outside of that is just PURE item level, doesn't matter what secondary stats are on it.

for assassination anyway - if you're playing Outlaw you want to prioritise haste til you get to 20% ish

[proud charm]

Do anyone knows where I can find the same nameplates, ui and weakaura as Casualaddict ?

[iron vapor]

but that should just happen naturally - lots of haste available this season

[grave token]

Got it. Thanks. I'm having a gaming computer built and am looking to get into a world first guild eventually. I'm recently disabled, so I'm able to devote nearly all my time to WoW.

[proud charm]

Is hekili good for assa rogue ? And how much loss dps wise you think you loose using it ?

[cyan dew]

Did you find a fix for this? Same problem

[iron vapor]

I also am looking at buying a fast car and trying to break into a formula 1 team.

[iron vapor]

no. Hekili is NOT GOOD.

[proud charm]

Really ? Have you tried it ?

[grave token]

@iron vapor I was in one before. It's my target at least.

[iron vapor]

honestly, the rotation for assa is mega braindead, if you need hekili you may as well just use the one button asssist

[proud charm]

Alright imma remove it tomorrow haha

[nova kelp]

I tested it recently for a friend to use as a learning tool.

It predicted almost everything the same as I would have played it through the raid

Hekili isn't bad

It just has a bad reputation

[proud charm]

Yeah I feel its showing decent rotation

[cyan dew]

Anyone here uses whispyr's plater profile? How can i turn off personal resource bar forever? It appears after every loading screen

[iron vapor]

just learn the rotation surely? it's like 3 buttons?

[nova kelp]

People are inherently against what it does if you aren't learning he spec. And using it as a crutch

[proud charm]

Nobody knows Wich weakaura and addons casualaddict uses ?

[nova kelp]

The one thing I found when testing it was I had to do some configuration before it predicted in an accurate sense

[proud charm]

And if there is any links to get it directly

[main bridge]

there is value in learning the spec without any crutches all the way through because you are building muscle memory

[mint urchin]

casualaddict does

[nova kelp]

This I definitely agree with.

[iron vapor]

there's this myth that rogue is hard to play... outside burst it's maintaining 2 DOTs and spamming the same finisher

[waxen oyster]

its good to learn why you press certain buttons

[nova kelp]

But peeps often cite hekili and hero rotation as giving BAD rotations. Which isn't true. They do a good job. They just create bad habits.

[waxen oyster]

not memorizing an order

[mint urchin]

it is objectively more complex then many classes, hard is subjective.

[iron vapor]

inside burst window you can just put the buttons in the right order on your bars and press them one by one

even in M+ with a bleed build it's pretty braindead

there's minmax you can spend brainpower on but you definitely don't have to

[upper spear]

only in PVP, nothing else about it is hard

[mint urchin]

You still have more maintenance work then most classes balancing 3 bleeds, DM, shiv, and caustic. While many classes are just build into spend

[iron vapor]

I guess hard is definitely subjective, if you've got a room temp IQ then almost any spec except ret pala is hard

[nova kelp]

What a quote lol

[iron vapor]

(I have a ret alt)

[nova kelp]

I love that

[waxen oyster]

forgot bm hunter

[iron vapor]

room temp in celsius as well, I don't do freedom units

[nova kelp]

Bm isn't a spec

It's a third of a class in disguise

[iron vapor]

isn't BM just AFK /follow

[waxen oyster]

I’d say theres other specs like fury warrior

that people’s biggest fuckups

is straight up not being gcd capped

[haughty flicker]

i mean thats a lot of classes

basically anything that isnt an energy spec even

[runic hinge]

ABC

Always be casting

[iron vapor]

I don't think APM is necessarily 'skill'

[nova kelp]

Jpc said a thing in here the other day which is Hela true. A lot of the time people's poor performance is 2 things. Not being close enough to stab things and just not actually pressing buttons fast enough

[iron vapor]

though I can't think of a single DPS class that's actually hard

[upper spear]

mage specs during certain seasons seemed pretty hard

[iron vapor]

all the difficulty blizz have put into the game is dodging circles, cones and swirlies

[lusty narwhal]

Sub during tomb was hard

[iron vapor]

or not dodging them

[iron vapor]

was

[nova kelp]

Sub during tomb was hyper chill what?

[lusty narwhal]

?

[nova kelp]

It was Hella smooth

[lusty narwhal]

It was smooth but it wasnt easy lol

[nova kelp]

I loved that spec so much

[waxen oyster]

was not

[nova kelp]

Sub now is way harder than sub then

[lusty narwhal]

You literally lost dps if you had over a certain ms because of the timing on dfa and clipping dance and symbols

But yeah its harder now

At the time it was tough

People are just better now

[nova kelp]

Maybe... At the time though legion was post skill cull so a lot of specs were VERY simple

So maybe

[waxen oyster]

you spammed dance on the way down

[wicked valve]

Do we put oil on both weps? or is it really only better to use on Mainhand?

[buoyant herald]

Nah brother you want to get as oiled as possible

[main bridge]

you can sim it but i think oil/wax is the best combo. i'm just doing oil and whetstone though because i don't want to farm the wax

[weary spear]

I thought wax was garbo

[waxen oyster]

im washed now /jk

[main bridge]

87 parse hang up your game coat playa

[waxen oyster]

warriors stole my kj pad

(yes i was a degen playing fok cloak and moonglaives)

[nova kelp]

To be fair. Rogue was VERY popular then too

So that's a lot of competition

[waxen oyster]

i was also just beans

at getting a 10 stack on maiden while dodging

[nova kelp]

Maiden was such a cool fight

Individually...

[waxen oyster]

just dont dfa

[nova kelp]

My raid group can fuck right off

[waxen oyster]

before orb

[normal mist]

guys

it fell

JESUS

[nova kelp]

My raid group was the worst at wow guitar hero

[waxen oyster]

I probably could have gotten higher on goroth

[nova kelp]

Peepo Jesus does not listen to the pleas of the dead

[waxen oyster]

but my guilds mt liked to take the boss on an adventure

on opener

couldnt use my specter

until 10s in

[nova kelp]

Fuck man

I miss tos sub now

Now I'm sad

You guys made me sad

[waxen oyster]

also

that was my 2nd mythic tier

[weary spear]

That’s why parses are a percentage so the population doesn’t matter

[waxen oyster]

ever

[cyan dew]

Anyone here uses whispyr's plater profile? How can i turn off personal resource bar forever? It appears after every loading screen

[foggy marten]

Why are the guides for wowhead and method/iv different, even though they're both written by whispyr? I'm mainly looking at the consumables section

[nova kelp]

Population size will always matter to the stability of data presented

[weary spear]

Ok explain how difficulty of parsing high changes based on population size then

[foggy marten]

I.e. Different weapon enchants (council's guile v radiant authority) and different weapon buffs

[weary spear]

Idk tbh so if you make a good point I’ll change my opinion

[waxen oyster]

People look at method guides?

consumables has always been a sim angle

[nova kelp]

The method guide writer sucks compared to the Wowhead one

[waxen oyster]

”how to world 3rd, a comprehensive guide”

1. complain about 11h advantage

[foggy marten]

But it says its the same guide writer 🤔

[waxen oyster]

idk pretty sure he gets paid once per tier

[nova kelp]

Lol

[waxen oyster]

to write the method guide

if that

[normal mist]

afaik method ones also take more time to update for some reason

[runic hinge]

With pure dps specs you end up with players rerolling to the best spec regardless of what tuning is. So if one spec overperforms the better players will always flock to it making it “harder” to parse. You’ll get more at the bottom too but the guys who can play all three at a high level will knock you down as opposed to playing Assa in a sub season and only competing against the one tricks who may not be as good

[weary spear]

@nova kelp

[viscid spear]

Whispyr do a lil trollin

[waxen oyster]

its worth checking when a guide was last updated

i personally wouldnt update a guide if i wasnt paid to

but maybe whispyr is nicer

[weary spear]

Hmm idk how much truth this has

[runic hinge]

You can argue the one tricks are better because it’s all they play and that might make it harder when there’s less people but idk. It’s gonna be harder for me to parse when people like stealthi and guy are playing Assa than a tier when they play sub

[viscid spear]

[waxen oyster]

i mean it is true

although outlaw has some genuinely good otps

[weary spear]

Guesswork at best

[waxen oyster]

like 3-4

like loktark if he played anything besides outlaw:

wew lad

[haughty flicker]

is it guesswork to say that people are likely to swap to the specs that are currently well tuned

because thats not guesswork its literally what happens

[keen spruce]

I'd argue that larger population size trends towards more accurate parsing

[haughty flicker]

blizzard is even aware of it themselves and how it impacts performance of lower played specs

[viscid spear]

I just play Sin like a stubborn ass

[keen spruce]

when it comes to parse not numerical rank

cuz for every stealthi playing assas there's 75 assas chatters asking if they should equip tier

or if they have enough mastery

[haughty flicker]

well thats kinda the point yeah

[keen spruce]

like in Aberrus my magmorax was rank 10 and only a 94 parase

[haughty flicker]

on a low population spec theres a lower percentage of people like that

[timber gust]

Do we have anything from the blizz side regarding those bugs?

[haughty flicker]

because people arent rerolling to it to see big numbers

[proud dust]

!wa

[mint urchin]

There is a lot of truth to this, because people don't like sitting afk in dorn queueing for keyz

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[keen spruce]

but the only ones left are like

dedicated one tricks that tend to be better

[haughty flicker]

are the gigachads

that make it harder to parse

yeah

[keen spruce]

there's kind of a nice middle ground

[haughty flicker]

that was the argument

[keen spruce]

I wasn't disagreeing

i was just opioning

[haughty flicker]

ok mr duck

[keen spruce]

but when you're like pure fotm it can hard too

to get actual numerical ranks

cuz you get a lot of good players

swapping over

[weary spear]

It’s guess work to say the average skill level of the players playing a specific spec is higher or lower based on tuning

[keen spruce]

but the parse itself might be a little easier

[haughty flicker]

blizzard literally recognizes this happens though

[keen spruce]

I'd argue the average skill level trends upwards the less people are playing

[haughty flicker]

it directly effects performance of specs

when one spec in a class is rerolled to heavily while the other isnt

[nova kelp]

Data group size will define the spread.
A large group will create several factors that dont exist within a small group also like defined skill brackets within them.
Like looking at arcane right now there is probably as many 50-70 percentile peeps than there are actual rogues ATM.
But if that were the ONLY group of people playing arc mage right now then that 20 percentile group would still need to comprise the entire 1-100 percentage bracket

[marsh fjord]

Today we killed soulbinder and i was like comparing my log to some other people log. and i saw some people having like 1 billion spatter damage. and i really wondered why mine was so low

did only like 300 mill or something

[runic hinge]

You get worse people but you also get all the better people too

[mint urchin]

Pug players def reroll higher then people in established groups or friend circles, it's just easier to get into content on a perceived meta class

[weary spear]

If only 100 players play outlaw does that mean they’re all bad players because they didn’t reroll to assa

LOL

Garbage take

[haughty flicker]

no its the opposite

[violet tiger]

Hi, on phase 1 dimmensius should I be switching to hit the adds or just keep whacking the boss?

[haughty flicker]

you're completely misunderstanding the statement

[weary spear]

Good specs have just as many garbage players roll in as the top end players playing it

[nova kelp]

If only 100 of them exist there would still be a 1% person.

[haughty flicker]

the people who dont reroll are the enfranchised players who are likely better at their class

[keen spruce]

no it means they're likely better players

[haughty flicker]

than the people who are rerolling

[keen spruce]

like not all of them

but the average trends higher

[wide berry]

Is your guild having issues on them?

[weary spear]

Oh okay that makes sense

[keen spruce]

like at the extreme, if everyone quits a spec except for the one tricks because it's so dogshit

[violet tiger]

so far yes

[keen spruce]

you'd assume that those one tricks are going to better than an average shmoe

[wide berry]

I think rogue parses are just tougher overall because the class is unpopular and there's more sweats left

[wide berry]

Then whack em

[mint urchin]

I know one trick warriors that would disagree. Even being one trick they still struggle.

[violet tiger]

thank you friend

[keen spruce]

struggle at what?

[nova kelp]

It's the reason why the Wowhead post always tells you to be sus of the numbers behind specs like feral

[mint urchin]

Just basic brain function

Warrior curse

[nova kelp]

Because there's only 13 of them

[haughty flicker]

dont worry im a prime example of time not always making you better at something

[runic hinge]

It can be harder to parse both ways I guess idk. You could be number one outlaw until outlaw becomes fotm and suddenly there’s 20 rogue gods ahead of you but now there’s an extra thousand behind you so your number is still gold

[wide berry]

Demented pfp

[nova kelp]

Blame mami

[wide berry]

I'll blame whoever is high up at blizz with the foot kink

[iron vapor]

If you're playing fatebound (you SHOULD BE!) then yeah, absolutely switch

[haughty flicker]

its a known fact blizzard hired quentin tarantino to direct the worldsoul saga

[keen spruce]

I think with fotm there's always going to be an ocean of shitters that offset every gamer

[iron vapor]

Unless you're mid burst on the boss but you can time an 18 second burst window to fit between the adds

[wide berry]

Blizz class devs need to stop indulging in moon guard, it's effecting their brains

[nova kelp]

If I were to get a bit tmi about it technically ole xalatoes is terrible foot content tbh. No arches

[wide berry]

They said they're guilds having issues with them anyways

[runic hinge]

Rogue population already too small for it to matter

[keen spruce]

it does get harder at the top end though because a bunch of HOF players clog up the top spots early on

[keen spruce]

idk

[iron vapor]

Kinda weird, they're not exactly a DPS check

[wide berry]

P1 plat can get out of hand quick though if your not able to chew em up

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/daddys-home2-daddys-home2gifs-stop-it-stop-that-i-mean-it-gif-9694318

[iron vapor]

Sounds like a lot of people are tunneling the boss and hoping others ok k up their slack

[wide berry]

What difficultty?

[iron vapor]

That should have said pick up

[wide berry]

On our normal clear I did funnel hard after awhile but we always have some uh

Very casual players

(one of our players got lost in streets after raid one night)

[iron vapor]

I think on normal you can get away with funnel, you can on heroic too!

[keen spruce]

top logs aren't switching to adds, looks liek they're just throwing some bleeds on them

[iron vapor]

As long as your other DPS are switching you can be the shithouse single target rogue

[wide berry]

Top logs say to fondle my nuts

[violet tiger]

heroic

[wide berry]

IDK then listen to these other gamers, we're dragging bodies right now and getting walled by h araz

[graceful halo]

do yall think its simbait that i only lose 2.5% dps in AoE by dropping 1 lethal dose for iron wire?

[thorn thorn]

@fallow canopy

[keen spruce]

that's kind of the opposite of sim bait

but it's kind of just up to you

[graceful halo]

well... false info i guess? i'd lose 2.5% for iron wire in pugs

[keen spruce]

if you think you need wire for something

you would lose at least 2.5% yeah

[wide berry]

Technically it's always sim bait because are you a robot made to play wow?

[keen spruce]

I think the general concesus is that you don't need wire this season

normally on VDH seasons it loses a lot of value

[thorn thorn]

We are all robots

Reality isnt real

[mint urchin]

IW is kinda bait

As it's the first 6sec or so of a pull when everyone's kicks and CC is already up and available

[nova kelp]

Were all just organic extensions of the Sim clanker

[keen spruce]

It's quite good sometimes, but when you VDH is going to sigil everything on pull anyways you're kind of wasting the silence anyways

[wide berry]

When the nice segmented bar has 5-7 lines my true purpose suddenly reveals itself

[haughty flicker]

my group has a prot pally so iw is uh

[mint urchin]

It's best when you revanish mid pull imo

[haughty flicker]

kinda redundant

[coral ibex]

iron wire lost relative value to lw shiv because shiv is so important to deathstalker this season

[keen spruce]

yeah but that's like... twice a dungeon

[mint urchin]

But not sure it's worth it for just that

[keen spruce]

it depends on your group

it's not like

a bad talent

[coral ibex]

we should be brigading the forums to have them bake in iron wire to improved garrote

[keen spruce]

but you're giving up a decent amount of damage

[coral ibex]

[keen spruce]

there's not really any good tradeoffs rn

[mint urchin]

We talked about that but going on strike is just giving Whispyr a free vacation

[keen spruce]

until hybrid inevitably becomes more important for boss damage in a few weeks like every other season

[wide berry]

Lethal dose sounds cooler so run that

[buoyant mauve]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtlety.

[coral ibex]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[fallow canopy]

[waxen oyster]

the spec that confuses me is havoc

alot of havoc players straight up

do shit damage

[nova kelp]

When are you 2 going to kiss?

[mint urchin]

I've seen havoc absolutely blast

[keen spruce]

havoc been in shambles for a while

[thorn thorn]

Arcane confuses me

[mint urchin]

But then he also did no interrupts

[thorn thorn]

How are people trash at that spec

[waxen oyster]

its usually the long time mains

[fallow canopy]

we kiss every day

[keen spruce]

all of the long time arcane mains quit

[viscid spear]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[keen spruce]

cuz they changed arcane so many times

[waxen oyster]

Weirdly enough alot of the good havocs i see love dropping the gamerword

[winged sun]

@balmy condor u there

[clever heron]

All the edgy undead sub rogues went DH.

[thorn thorn]

Funny you mention this

[mint urchin]

Man that spec has more conditionals per every gcd then anyone else lol

[winged sun]

my rupture was doing 50% more dmg 2 weeks ago

idk if ur there whispyr

but i have logs

and proof

[keen spruce]

:alert:

[thorn thorn]

This story is 100% real and the RL was a havoc player

[keen spruce]

alert

[thorn thorn]

I think it was from stormrage

Dont remember

Too long ago

[winged sun]

so look at my rupture here 7 less casts but

its doing way less?

[humble verge]

ok i think today im not sleeping rox

[winged sun]

wtf is going on

i have way more ilvl

and crazy trinkets now

[thorn thorn]

Do it

For realsies

Keep running keys

[thorn thorn]

Bruh I just press orb and barrage

[humble verge]

im in bed

[thorn thorn]

and its already better than 80% of the arcane players I get

[keen spruce]

what happens when you expand the details one

[thorn thorn]

I have seen a single arcane player this season doing good dam

The rest are

[winged sun]

0.5%

[thorn thorn]

Creatures

[winged sun]

nothign

i knew something was off

cuz i was doing way more

[mint urchin]

I mained it last season and the shit melted my brain for a hot minute until I understood the 12 step barrage conditionals lol it's a lot of fun tho once it clicks

[winged sun]

it wasdnt just spatter bug fix bullshit

lmao

and singular focus

[keen spruce]

[winged sun]

that doesnt mean shit

i was doing 40-50m 1st pull floodgates week 1

find me someone who does that today

with 715 ilvl

[thorn thorn]

Dad ross is schizomaxing in assassination chat again

[winged sun]

rupture got giga shadow nerfed

in m+

idk whats going on

idk if it affects raid or not

but thats crazy ngl

[keen spruce]

I'm not up to speed enough on bugs and nerfs to know wtf is going on anymore

[winged sun]

nah

i was always looking at my breakdown

spatter was always lower

and

then we get a spatter bugfix

then spatter does top dps?

huh

i mean

[humble verge]

hi ross

[winged sun]

this is fucked up

ngl

[winged sun]

theres alot more going on than just a spatter bugfix

its fine tho sin was doubling everyone's dps week 1

im not complaining but

[humble verge]

are we goibg full sub m+ now

[next cape]

It’s time to move on to the better combo point leather class

[winged sun]

there was alot of nerfs going on in the background

[humble verge]

is what ure speculating

[thorn thorn]

:alert:

[winged sun]

im pretty sure i abused sudden demise in this key

more than the one i did weeks ago

it isnt affected tho

it just indicates rupture doing way less now

for whatever reason it is

[solar wyvern]

hybrid feels so bad rn since momentum isnt working

makes me very smodge

[nova kelp]

Last couple of 14s I ran I did as sub and ended up at 8.5 - 9 mill overall.
Like... Y'know

[keen spruce]

and spatter not singular focusing

[winged sun]

dude i was doing 10m overall in all keys day 1

[keen spruce]

it just kinda beans rn

[winged sun]

with season 2 gear

like

no cappy at all

[solar wyvern]

Its so annoying being in like a 3-5 target scenario and pressing fok 3 times cause no momentum crit chance

[dense jolt]

did you replace ur season 2 tier? it had rupture % buff

[winged sun]

nah bro

that log

is new tier set

[nova kelp]

The point more being since it was sub I had st and still did good overall

[winged sun]

vs new tier set

except

now i have way better gear

look u can see it right here

[autumn idol]

guys i smell it

i smell them

the bugfixes

soon tm

[winged sun]

except atm

i have 100k agi

with 2 agi trinkets

[solar wyvern]

holy mastery batman

[winged sun]

but im running prism atm tho

cuz its op af

[winged sun]

LOOOOOOOOOOL

[solar wyvern]

Crit chance dead long live mastery versa bleed damage

[autumn idol]

crit chance dead ever since momentum

ngl ive been enjoying sub more in keys ever since momentum and singular got bugged out

i LOVE hitting fan of knives on 5 targets and getting 1 combo twice

[solar wyvern]

XDDDD

[autumn idol]

keep in mind i have 33% crit

[thorn thorn]

Just get more lucky

[autumn idol]

yeah like proccing my tierset twice on loom in 1 pull

[winged sun]

look at spatter literally nuking dps

rupture is all the way down

when it was top dps in keys

💀

bruh

[autumn idol]

🧑‍🍳

are you onto something

[echo heath]

Spatter is perfect, im lazy so it's nice having a passive that does all the work for me

[weary spear]

The average hit is lower with more gear?

[main bridge]

the hardest part about the Dimensius fight is seeing FUCKING ANYTHING

it makes me so mad

every 2 seconds there's a hand in my face, and just crazy visuals the whole time constantly blocking my vision

[thorn thorn]

Do you have a log

[echo heath]

Skill issue

[severe meadow]

The more I did dimmussy the more I disliked it, Saladbar is sick tho

[winged sun]

im investigating

wait

ok so

[thorn thorn]

I already have a theory kek

[winged sun]

i think rupture didnt do 50% more dps before the log just counts for corrupt the blood but it did exactly the same dmg as my week 1 floodgate

[balmy path]

I made a macro
/cast Mark of Death
/cast Ancestral Call(Racial)
/cast Araz's Ritual Forge
Does anyone know if there is a difference in damage or something like that in the order of the macro or is it all the same?

[winged sun]

week 1 flood gate rupture dmg = today rupture dmg

idk

[main bridge]

yes because there is no ability called mark of death

[wide berry]

https://tenor.com/view/snoopy-peanuts-charlie-brown-laugh-cartoon-gif-10063073985247548142

[winged sun]

ok

[tepid meadow]

Do you guys always run bleed build in m+? Feels like the boss damage in high keys is kinda ass

[winged sun]

actually

case dismissed

rupture isn't bugged

[keen spruce]

yes and that's normal

[wide berry]

its deathmark

[thorn thorn]

Im going to assume it looks like its doing more on logs because of corrupt the blood

[tepid meadow]

I topped overall in a 13 and had some dude ask if my weapons were broken because I went third on the final boss

[wide berry]

I made a macro
/cast Deathmark
/cast Ancestral Call(Racial)
/cast Araz's Ritual Forge
Does anyone know if there is a difference in damage or something like that in the order of the macro or is it all the same?

[thorn thorn]

Details keeps them seperate but logs considers corrupt the blood as rupture damage

[winged sun]

ye, it still did same dps tho

[keen spruce]

that's... clearly not what they were asking

[winged sun]

so like

look

[keen spruce]

they were asking about ordering

of the macro

[balmy path]

a sry I'm using a translator

[winged sun]

so here

it did 1.86b

[keen spruce]

and obviously just had a bad translation

[winged sun]

week 1

[keen spruce]

you bozos

[wide berry]

ees okay, im sorry i was just having some fun

[winged sun]

ok this sounds about right

[thorn thorn]

mmhmm

[keen spruce]

the ordering shouldn't matter

[thorn thorn]

Corrupt the blood is there on details seperate

[winged sun]

nah its not bugged

ye

[balmy path]

a ok thank you very much

[wide berry]

afaik most trinks and such should be fire and forget

[agile osprey]

instead of /cast "trinket name here" you can do /use 13 or 14 depending on the slot the trinket is in

[wide berry]

except that stupid ass stone statue

[thorn thorn]

Me when zeross is schizomaxing again

[grim valley]

hello guys, I just saw a video of a rogue proccing darkest night (to lead 3 stacks ds mark) with a 6of7 CP. How is this possible? Ui bug regarding cp or is there a talent helping with this ?

[keen spruce]

link video

[weary spear]

Supercharger works for DN doesn’t it

[wide berry]

he's right about ordering, also here. just using
/use 13
/use 14
makes it a lot easier

[grim valley]

give me a min i send it

[winged sun]

hmm

wait

i think i know how i did crazy dps back then what the helly

ok the bugs were a big part of it tho

[weary spear]

Caustic double dip?

[grim valley]

https://youtu.be/-uIl3vtB9vU?si=KVzNHxxPI662wb0g at 0:51

[wide berry]

idk, was it procced on his buffs or WAs? my auras were being weird yesterday i noticed

[grim valley]

He indeed has 2 blue cp, what’s this ?

[wide berry]

TURBO SHIV

thats why he got the proc off of 6cp

[nova kelp]

Mate....

[balmy path]

ty, I didn't know that

[humble verge]

@winged sun

[nova kelp]

Petition to rename fi to turbo shiv

[grim valley]

I’m kinda sure il playing this talent and am always going 7cp..

[weary spear]

Go to 7 CP’s anyways

[winged sun]

assa on soulbinder is a warcrime rn

fix assa or go sub on it

[clever heron]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[grim valley]

Sorry I’m stuck to og plays

[nova kelp]

I hate it. But he's right

[keen spruce]

I mean considering he immediatley finished on 4cp after I'm assuming it's just a UI bug

[winged sun]

not a single assa rogue

[wide berry]

would it not be better to just cycle through on 6 instead of just sending an extra mut?

[winged sun]

legit 0

all top 10 are sub rogues

[wide berry]

i love my bugged spec

[weary spear]

Sending a higher CP darkest night envenom isn’t a loss

Afaik

[desert crest]

Do we think bliz will actually fix it?

[winged sun]

whats up with that sub rogue getting 4 pi's tho

what the helly

[wide berry]

can we ask the robot to sim 6cp dark nights LOL

[winged sun]

(faster shadow techniques stacks trust me bro)

[fallow canopy]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[desert crest]

Happens to me alot peps see high dmg and assume all rogues are like assa

[keen spruce]

bro does shindig have 0 crit lmao it seems like he's always hitting 4cp

[grim valley]

If you look to his ui cp and not wa, u can see blue cp, I think this is why he can 4cp

[nova kelp]

It's just so the 50% peeps have an excuse

[winged sun]

its just deathstalker

[keen spruce]

I mean maybe, but I can't imagine he's playing around that

might have just been a whoopsies that worked out

[keen spruce]

but shidig is a powerful gamer

[keen spruce]

yeah but just from normal seal fate

landing on 4 that often not that likely

[winged sun]

u wont land 5 cp on deathstalker all the time

[keen spruce]

after 2 mutilates

[winged sun]

like

never

i think

only fb

[grim valley]

This blue thing count as 1 more cp right ? Whyspir wa doesn’t show it ?

[winged sun]

has nothing to do with his crit %

[keen spruce]

tf are u talking about

[wide berry]

ye mang, check the tooltip in game

[keen spruce]

seal fate is still a thing

[winged sun]

ur saying hes landing on 4 or

and not 5?

[keen spruce]

I'm saying he landed a 4 a BUNCH

[winged sun]

i mean thats normal no?\

[keen spruce]

not with relatively high crit

[wide berry]

@grim valley look at this area of your talents in game

[balmy condor]

hwat I do

[winged sun]

nothing

dont read case dismissed

[keen spruce]

he had a moment

[normal mist]

on my 15 pulls on King, i can guarantee you MOST of them were "garrote - Mutilate-Mutilate" and it hurts since i'm almost at 50% crit

[winged sun]

we were just investigating why sin was doing alot

[keen spruce]

[grim valley]

I’m in bed rn, just dreaming assa, I will check tomorrow ty

[keen spruce]

something something backinmyday

[balmy condor]

ross schizomaxxing again?

shadowboxing himself?

[winged sun]

turns out it was just corrupt the blood and rupture is still doing similar dmg idk

[nova kelp]

He saw your video about how we lost 80% aoe

[winged sun]

even with current bis gear, might've been just a huge mastery diff

[keen spruce]

the evidence looked compelling at first ngl

[wide berry]

assassin rogues in shambles over class performing as advertised

[normal mist]

WHISPYR WE DOWNED NEXUS KING ON the 15th PULL (which was gonna be the last pull today)

[winged sun]

technically its not as advertised atm

[halcyon saddle]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
• Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
• Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.

[wide berry]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-the-office-sad-smile-gif-14640302

[winged sun]

i wish i logged my floodgate run tho

i wanted to check my envenom dmg on big momma

[autumn idol]

big fixes next reset

im smelling it

im sniffing it

[wide berry]

gimme some

[winged sun]

like i did 16m end of fight but

[wide berry]

sounds like grade a hopium

[winged sun]

i think

[wide berry]

lets have a whiff

[winged sun]

1 envenom peaked my dmg from like

30m dps to 50m

but it was 18 stacks of prism so ye

was kinda cool

[autumn idol]

18 stacks of prism

[winged sun]

i'll prob try to fit more envenoms in my burst later on

[autumn idol]

do you not pop it with your dmark

or do you pop it separate

[winged sun]

ye i do

why would i seperate it

[autumn idol]

ah i guess yiu just held

[winged sun]

deathmark is a st+aoe cd lol

[autumn idol]

no idea just askin

i know

[winged sun]

i feel like alot of ppl think deathmark is pure st

it isnt

[autumn idol]

of course its not

[winged sun]

i mean

[autumn idol]

but the way rogue does aoe esp assa is confusing to a lot of ppl so

[thorn thorn]

Schizomaxxing about corrupt the blood

[wide berry]

popping DM on prio in a big pack is like heroin

[winged sun]

trinket gives 60k agi

ofc ur stacking it with deathmark

so ye

[autumn idol]

ye 60k is a pretty decent

you got it from frac or in vailt

[winged sun]

frac

[autumn idol]

lucky

my pig hunter looted it

[winged sun]

im in a guild so

[autumn idol]

im next

[winged sun]

ye

4 of them dropped

2 back to back

[autumn idol]

4

4

we saw 1 in 2 weeks

[desert crest]

Myth track?

[winged sun]

ye 2 dropped this week

2 last week

[autumn idol]

Ye

[winged sun]

nah hc

[desert crest]

Ahh

[nova kelp]

"pretty decent" is like "that breathing thing. I guess it's alright"

[winged sun]

im in a casual guild so

didnt kill frac yet

[autumn idol]

yeah l much

[visual sun]

more chance for prism drops back 2 back than bug fixes

[autumn idol]

p much

[desert crest]

Still very good

[winged sun]

will raid top 50-100 next expac tho

cba r400

[autumn idol]

bleed build goes so hard on soul hunters tho

[winged sun]

kinda boring progging easy bosses

[autumn idol]

Ye

stupid solo mistakes costing yiu

[winged sun]

i mean

[autumn idol]

30 pulls per boss

[winged sun]

im playing with casuals so

[autumn idol]

doesnt matter its still irritating

[winged sun]

feels really bad ngl

[autumn idol]

ye

[winged sun]

like

[autumn idol]

i wanna prog soul hunters again

[winged sun]

im on forgeweaver

and i learned the entire fight on the first 1 hr

[humble verge]

ok so like

ross

[winged sun]

we're prob like

2 raid nights on it atm

still no p3 kinda only once

[humble verge]

for first opener

on a key like gambit

how the fuck you do bleeds

[wide berry]

where tf do i use this in opener

[winged sun]

u dont rupture those much

so

[wide berry]

also i hate this thing

[winged sun]

look

i'll show u 1 sec

[humble verge]

u dony

[winged sun]

so this is 1st pull gambit right

[wide berry]

noooo

[humble verge]

ye smth like that

[winged sun]

u see those 5 murlocks out there

[wide berry]

i consulted the robot man...

[winged sun]

u want to rupture those up and the big guy too before the smallies arrive

so u have to be extremely fast

[humble verge]

get better trinkets

[winged sun]

once the smallies arrive u crimson tempest and insta send all ur cds

[wide berry]

my poor vault

[humble verge]

alrxyea buy

but

still ass

[winged sun]

u have to shiv before the smallies arrive

not post

otherwise wait for them to die

[humble verge]

jesus

[winged sun]

then shiv

[humble verge]

whats ur dps on it

usually

i think i peaked like

25m

[winged sun]

idk didnt do gambit in a rly long time

[humble verge]

alr

but like ok

priory first pull

how many rupture spreads

[winged sun]

not much it was 2 weeks ago

[autumn idol]

alright amount of damage

decent even

[humble verge]

ajjajajajajaja

idk

im doing somethinh wrong ig

[thorn thorn]

[humble verge]

what

[winged sun]

rupture the entire screen

[humble verge]

no garr

[winged sun]

like

[humble verge]

at all or

[autumn idol]

good play on gambit is to spec sub

[winged sun]

wdym no garrote

its literally bleed build

[humble verge]

idk

[autumn idol]

ur bleed build

[humble verge]

i asked

u wiuld rather

fok spam

[winged sun]

nah dont ask about no garrote thats the old no garrote build

[humble verge]

for full to rup 7cp

?

[winged sun]

later not insta fok

sometimes u do fok mid subterfuge

not always

[autumn idol]

you fok once for energy

[winged sun]

i dont remember why i even do it

[humble verge]

hurb

[winged sun]

probably for darkest night

to consume it asap

[autumn idol]

nothing better than overriding dn with a DSM from ambush on a big pull

[humble verge]

man

its 24,5 degrees in my room

imma kms

[autumn idol]

too los

low

[winged sun]

bro

i cant breath in my nose

imma kms

fuck covid

[autumn idol]

do you take all the times youve breathed normally for granted now

[winged sun]

how am i even still awake its 5 am what the helly

idk

oh

[autumn idol]

wdym its 3am

u live in the wrong zone buddy

[winged sun]

EARTH IS FLAT ALRIGHT

[humble verge]

u live in fucking kuwait or smth

[winged sun]

everyone is at 3 am

[autumn idol]

yes it is

[autumn idol]

serbia

[winged sun]

dude

idk

[humble verge]

hows it jot in serbaøia rn

[winged sun]

why did i have coffee at night

sstill was worth tho i enjoyed it

[autumn idol]

im outside its like

[humble verge]

nvm

25

[autumn idol]

18 degrees

[humble verge]

at night

ok wow

[pulsar orbit]

Is running fatebound with the bleed build in M+ viable?

[humble verge]

no

[autumn idol]

hell no

get that thought out of your head

right this instant

[pulsar orbit]

Oki

I’m just so sick of ds lol

[autumn idol]

DSM has way too many synergistic nodes for bleed

singular ( ) corrupt the blood, clear the witnesses, and the fok crit or whatever ( )

[thorn thorn]

!fotm

[prisma monolith]

FOTM Info

• Fatebound is not playable in any AoE situation, and ESPECIALLY not in Mythic+. Don't bother.

• Tuning is nowhere near done and realistically won't be until mid-September; unless you enjoy playing rogue there is no point in you rerolling at this time, we don't bring anything impactful (e.g big aoe stops/party buff) to the group

• PTR sheets and PTR sims are borderline misinformation with how rapidly things are changing and most sims are not currently updated at this time. Again, this will fix itself as we get deeper into the patch and things solidify, but judging a reroll off of PTR tier lists and random sims or seeing one guy pump super hard on a stream is not indicative of anything.

[thorn thorn]

The command is finally relevant

[autumn idol]

you know whats funny

assa was really good week 1 in mythic raid when everyone was playing it

week 3 sub is top 5 and assa is botton 5

unluggy

[thorn thorn]

I would say what happens when spec is bugged

[autumn idol]

Ye

[winged sun]

i think ppl just didnt have the trinkets

[thorn thorn]

But rogue is basically a bug in class form

[autumn idol]

i still cant fucking believe

you lose cold blood when you swap fatebound to sub

[winged sun]

sub was kinda mid without trinkets

[autumn idol]

Ye the double on use is

yeah

something else

40k mainstat into 40k mainstat

[winged sun]

u can 1 use with prism i think aswell

[autumn idol]

on shadowblades

[winged sun]

prism is just

omeg ahuge

[humble verge]

wait wtf

[winged sun]

for sub

[pulsar orbit]

Double on use trinkets with fish in a barrel cooldown management is fun right?

[humble verge]

swift engaged kelce lol

[autumn idol]

Not rly

[humble verge]

[autumn idol]

forge is 2 minutes

netherprism is whenever

[humble verge]

but like

[autumn idol]

so basically you go 1 set forge the other nether

[humble verge]

why are sub using forge and prism

on lile

i saw casual doing it

on nexus

idk

[autumn idol]

Becayse your burst windows make the fight easier

[humble verge]

alr

[autumn idol]

dimensius platforms p2 on mythic are criminal

1st set you are sending forge + shadowblades

2nd set you are sending prism + shadowblades

and then burn you have forge + shadowblades

[sand otter]

this look smart for soulbinder? i am struggling keeping up wiht others today.

[autumn idol]

like in a pure single target scenario its a loss over passive trinkets but you're not really ever having those scenarios in raid

[main bridge]

wowhead has recommendations for every boss, also check out https://lorrgs.io

[past bobcat]

Can FB sin use the double onuse and it still be good?

[sand otter]

oh thanks!!!

[autumn idol]

Eh

not really

[pulsar orbit]

You want the antenna or like a sacbrood for FB

[autumn idol]

sub does way more damage inside of its cooldowns thats why it benefits more

you are still doing oretty decent damage with db outside of your dmark bane windows

i mean there IS a scenario where you could play double on use

if you managed to find a way to bug out the tierset for it to proc twice every time

[balmy path]

I'm using Astral Antenna and Araz's Ritual Forge
Is there a better trinket combination? for M+

[autumn idol]

no thats pretty much the bis combo

[pulsar orbit]

That antenna really helps with your constant crit%. I’m probably wrong but this season feels like the gear is waaaaaay more mastery heavy for us

[autumn idol]

[thorn thorn]

fucking

lol

[autumn idol]

it would be funny if we killed it

id be holding rank 1 for both heroic and mythic

apparently people dont know how to reapply dots for this boss

[pulsar orbit]

I’m one of those

I struggle on that boss

[autumn idol]

mythic or hc

[pulsar orbit]

My pc also chugs so hard im basically sending carrier pigeons through my opener

Hc

[autumn idol]

oh yeah

that boss is a lagfest

basically send everything you have on pull

and save your mark and
vanish for after the intermission

cuz they do intermission every 2 minutes

[buoyant herald]

Do you just run the key bleed build there?

[thorn thorn]

This actually reminds me of amirdrassil

[autumn idol]

Ye

[thorn thorn]

MW would be top hps and green parsing and the rest of the healers far below them getting purple/orange

[autumn idol]

you're always above 150 energy so sang goes brrr as well as scent

[autumn idol]

Ya

but also

[thorn thorn]

A certified classic

[autumn idol]

our comp was scuffed

our damage dealers that actually dealt damage

had to do soaks

cjz we had melee healers

[tepid meadow]

Do you spend crests on rings or tier pieces after trinkets/weps

[kindred flare]

Off hand isn’t super important imo, and rings and ammy have highest secondaries so they’re a good target

[opal dagger]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[opal dagger]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[sand otter]

Ty all for the help with the right build i did much better this week on nexus king heroic

it was my first kill

(last week i was 2.5 and it was miserable)

[humble verge]

u wentcfull bleed?

[sand otter]

no, the cleave build.

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMjZmhxM2mBAAAAAgZDWmBAAAAAg22mZGMzYMzMLz2MzMmBDzMzYmNLjZA2MLDMglglhJwwCA this one

[keen spruce]

excellent work king

[nova kelp]

I can't see. Is that ds or FB?

[charred mango]

are you guys swapping off loomithar to hit the web things in mythic? always seems to go off during KB

[sand otter]

DS

[nova kelp]

You can't really aside from rupture sniping. Or at least you won't do any damage

[sand otter]

ty

[nova kelp]

If you DO need to because of instruction etc. Then I'd suggest going sub

Swapping even as FB is still kinda gigabadge

The web's die Hella fast

[nova kelp]

You should give the FB build a go. Just swap to spatter.

[sand otter]

but...but...wowehead says this is best

im so bad at doing math and theory crafting. i have to focus on staying alive.

we are now 3/8 Herioc. (casual aotc guild)

[nova kelp]

Yeah that is or was(?) true. And in a bunch of ways it probably should be. But due to reasons. Recent optimisation. And current bugs.
FB with spatter kinda cooks on the last 2 fights.

Like don't overcomplicate it for sure. If you've found your groove. You do you. But it's something to consider.

[balmy condor]

wowhead says what's the best on what now

[nova kelp]

A wild whispyr appears!

*queue dark souls boss music

[normal mist]

He didn't appear to tell me good job when i talked to him 🙁

[nova kelp]

Well..
I think you did a good job. No idea what for but I believe.

[normal mist]

oh my Aotc guild killed nexus king

15 pulls

[keen spruce]

good job king

[sand otter]

im happy to try anything, we are on Araz now, our 4th boss.

[keen spruce]

I'm proud of u

[normal mist]

I love doing the shoutcalling

for my guild

[humble verge]

u deserve that royal

[short pine]

4set is glitched with shiv sometimes just removing ur mark completely and not giving u darkest night right

[balmy condor]

[short pine]

or am i insane

[winged sun]

I mean

[balmy condor]

haven't heard of that

but sure

maybe

wouldn't surprise me

[winged sun]

Out of all the cooked guides out there in wowhead

[short pine]

its happened like actually 40 times

it makes me wanna break smt

[winged sun]

Whispyr’s guide is like

One of the best ones

Legit doesnt miss shit so

[normal mist]

which one is the actual best

[winged sun]

Idk theres prob no best one its either rly good or half cooked

No idea

I dont read guides much

[normal mist]

i keep playing M+ and it just does not happen

and trust me i keep shivving DN's xD

[autumn idol]

shiv deez nuts

[winged sun]

I just watch whispyr videos to search for specific things but his videos have everything so

[normal mist]

OOOOOOOOOH

[short pine]

i havent done a mythic since i got my 4pc

ive been trying to pug araz for the last like 7 hours