assassination

[winged sun]

overall in premades/organized groups ye

[balmy condor]

I mean even in pugs

imagine a shitter rogue having to juggle kingsbane + dm

[thorn thorn]

Bro tried to put an emoji in his disc name

[balmy condor]

just to do bleed ST

[thorn thorn]

💀

[winged sun]

hybrid is only crazy good in dawnbreaker and thats only if u play it correctly

[winged sun]

i dont recommend it requires a shit ton of minmaxing

[balmy condor]

literally just 6x the effort for the same result

is diabolical

[thorn thorn]

M+ers will shoot their foot and bend over backwards if it means .1% increased efficiency

Its diabolical behavior

[mighty vine]

but i want to feel special

[thorn thorn]

Then you play bleed and invite an arcane mage and an aug so you can do top damage

You may not time the key

But you will be top damage

[gritty laurel]

ret and boomkin are both pretty special, you could try those

[balmy condor]

Well erm actually my 7 target 1:30 min all buff all cooldown double vanish sim said that I should shave my ballsack with my teeth so why does the guide not say that

[thorn thorn]

Because clearly shaving the inside of your ass cheeks with your eyelashes is clearly better according to the 10 target 5m sim all debuffs all cooldowns and double on use sim

The guide is keeping the truth from us

The .1% that you will lose 12% over

[somber sparrow]

so as i continue trying to understand fatebound mechanics. vanishing is for double jeopardy, is there a reason to hold vanish after kingsbane (should i shiv, DM, CB+KB, mutilate, envenom, vanish, get to 5+, envenom), or should i shiv DM, CB+KB, vanish, envenom, get to 5+, envenom) Is there any leeway either way or is it rigid

[thorn thorn]

After having spent time in both places

I can say with 100% certainty that the boomkin people are a morbillion % more helpful than rets

They love to over complicate their spec

https://media.giphy.com/media/FfM4ClWXUl2pENCGl4/giphy.gif

[jaunty kayak]

thank you.. thats what im basically mostly doing rn.. just build and wait for pandemic envenom/bleeds and not spam my energy away.. was enough for some nice logs tho 😅 .. i was just wondering whether im losing damage/playing not optimally by doing so

[humble verge]

@thorn thorn

[thorn thorn]

You rocking 4 days with no sleep

[humble verge]

i wish

[thorn thorn]

5?

6?

[humble verge]

dont say it

[thorn thorn]

How many days

[humble verge]

nah it was just a cool video i found

i slept last night

[thorn thorn]

lol

[steel orchid]

Obvious answer probably but Fatebound is still best ST in raid without the new tier set right?

[humble verge]

yes

well

depends

[gritty laurel]

it's best on 5/8 fights and you might as well also play it on araz until bugs are fixed

[humble verge]

or just change to sub for araz

[steel orchid]

Nah, gear too suboptimal for sub. ty for the info, Fatebound should do until I get lucky

[humble verge]

whar

[spice surge]

Unless your gear is entirely haste your sub gear would be fine

[steel orchid]

It was mostly a jokey kind of answer, I'm probably mad rusty since I haven't played sub since the start of S2 and I'm kinda salty about not getting 4set, so I don't wanna sacrifice time away from trying to run keys to derust on the dummy

[spice surge]

Thats fair

[winged sun]

i raid with sub gear no cappy

u just swap few pieces for assa any off piece

and ur fine

[distant plinth]

Swap rings and neck and you should be fine

[chilly marsh]

I just got 4p tier does sin still works in m+? i know its very buggy but with sanguine blades giving more dmg is it good? or just go sub for now?

[winged sun]

sin is still good

giga inflated in low keys as usual tho

so u can say sin is always op in low keys

and its good in high keys

[chilly marsh]

playing mostly 10-13s here

[winged sun]

ye its giga there

sudden demise big boom dmg

just bleed everything u see on ur screen and thank me later

[chilly marsh]

i guess not using momentum of despair makes the bugs not that bad then

[wide berry]

hmmmm

[winged sun]

ye i get the same

[austere fog]

is deathstlalker still viable?? or if palyed correctly fatebound is doing way better damage then DS

[winged sun]

if thats an m+ sim just consider it sim bait

and dont use it

thats my recommendation

its an annoying trinket to deal with

[west crown]

What is causing this guy to double flip coins on rupture in the opener?

[wide berry]

its simming higher in ST too is the weird shit

[weary spear]

It happens automatically doesn’t it

From the hero tree

[west crown]

Right but mine didn't do it in my log

I read the hero talent

[wide berry]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

[west crown]

Mine has nothing 🙁

That was 5 cps

[weary spear]

Dumb question but it’s a fatebound log right

You’re opening with ambush maybe just DS habit

[wide berry]

did you turn the fatebound machine off and back on?

the other guy opened with ambush too...

tf

[thorn thorn]

Fatebound broke

[west crown]

Yeah it's habit but it shouldn't impact Double Jeopardy no?

[wide berry]

just zero gain

[analog field]

ah

[weary spear]

^

[austere fog]

is Deathstalker better then fatebound when you have full gear dn 4 pc??

[analog field]

maybe less than 5cps

[austere fog]

or is Fatebound still outsimming DS

[west crown]

I checked resources it was 6

cps

[wide berry]

did you

sim it?

[weary spear]

Should be in pins

[wide berry]

the spreadsheet

[obsidian harbor]

Guys, also some problem with dps https://it.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MQp8xHbKDfZ73mnk?fight=last&type=damage-done

Is really low, right?

[west crown]

Can't even have consistent gambling odds. Gotta gamble my gambling odds to be able to gamble

[analog field]

If it is indeed >=5 then idk some bug or wrong hero tree

[west crown]

looks normal

[obsidian harbor]

Really? Have a lot of difficulty to follow all rapture application

[west crown]

Unless you are having cds at the beginning of a boss fight and getting a fight long enough to cast cds again. Your are doing something in 2M range Pure ST

[wide berry]

mutilazione is crazy and should be the default name

[analog field]

this is whole dungeon? or at last boss?

[wide berry]

whole it looks, tracking 38 minutes

[analog field]

yeah for whole is very low for everyone though

[obsidian harbor]

Always in big pulls

Have the sensation to have wrong priority on renew dots/make envenom

[analog field]

maybe the pulls are not helping also

[wide berry]

CT uptime + caustic

[obsidian harbor]

CT?

[split veldt]

who else is checking like 9 times a day to see if the pins are lit up

[analog field]

tempesta cremisi

[wide berry]

uh

yeah what they said

also

need more

[weary spear]

Sudden demise

[west crown]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/w4cQbWVNLnPdKfh1?fight=33&type=casts&start=5103746&end=5341381&view=timeline&source=31

Yo wtf is going on

[thorn thorn]

Schizo Caustic

[west crown]

There is like 5 envenoms in the first 30 seconds no coin flip

I didn't even look past that

I even checked resources for CPs

[wide berry]

LOL your shits just broken

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

source code on fire trying to check for the coins

https://tenor.com/view/main-gif-gif-26624917

[humble verge]

we are gaming

maybe ill redo my mog

for once

[west crown]

@balmy condor Yo sorry to bother. Just take a quick look at first 30 seconds. No coin flips on way too many Envenoms that are 5+ CPs. Add to the bug list https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/w4cQbWVNLnPdKfh1?fight=33&type=casts&start=5103746&end=5341381&view=timeline&source=31

[weary spear]

It’s less likely that it’s a bug

More likely it’s not being tracked correctly

[ornate gate]

do we send netherprism on pull? or should i wait for my next dm

[austere fog]

man i cant decide this season wether to play assass FB or DS

or play sub

[thorn thorn]

[austere fog]

hard to figure out whats better this season

i see so many rogues playing so many diff builds

[wide berry]

the answer to all

are you pushing top 100 levels of content?

no? play what you enjoy

[weary spear]

You can play them all

You just play different build in different content

[thorn thorn]

Game that works

4 in a row

It might be jover for you bro

[west crown]

It's so bad. I'm seeing it in every log

[wide berry]

idk, are we?

[humble verge]

is this some

suboptimal moon knight?

[austere fog]

yeah i generally Mythic Raid

so im trying to figure out whats gonna be best

in guess rogues are playing DS with caustic spatter for add intensive boss's

over FB

the Fatebound build is Purely ST im guessing at this point

i still dont have my 4 pc so idk if thats making the difference

[wide berry]

if you are fighting

[austere fog]

i started about 2 and ahalf weeks late this season

[wide berry]

more than one thing

[austere fog]

so im trying to catch up

[wide berry]

always FB

SORRY

always deathstalker

[austere fog]

oh okay was gonna say

[wide berry]

it really might not be getting tracked correctly, try restarting your game/raiderio/wclogs

[humble verge]

maybe this is a bad moonknight idk

[wide berry]

!bug

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[west crown]

I looked at other logs too. It's either not getting tracked correctly on logs as a whole or the game is bugged

Like other people's logs

[wide berry]

TO THE DUMMY I GO

[thorn thorn]

0 days since last bug for sin discovered

https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExYmE4dmowYzZ4OXF6eGN1bnphZHBpazlhc3Y3YWx1bGpmOXVyaXE0ciZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/bDJlfnxWnjbEdQ7C39/giphy.gif

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/333-gif-16633742758176803867

[wide berry]

brother

it might be bugged, let me try again

wait

no im dumb

[spice surge]

I mean when its not showing a coin its rolling heads

Its not skipping a roll

[thorn thorn]

Eleem with the facts

[pulsar plank]

Is this a known bug that I noticed which you don't get master assassin rebuff when you vanish while the effect still is up?

[spice surge]

Ye its a known bug

Gotta wait out the master assassin (which you would wanna do anyway since vanishing early wastes uptime)

[west crown]

So does heads just not show up in logs?

[wide berry]

im getting a double flip after stealth so

[spice surge]

It does not show up as a damaging cast no

[spice surge]

If you look at buffs it shows up just fine

[pulsar plank]

I was doing it at 1-2 seconds remaining

to preserve uptime

[west crown]

Ok I can't say r word here

I'm stupid

[thorn thorn]

lul

[mint urchin]

False news, garchomp tanks lightning like a champ

[humble verge]

you can say autistic

idk why tho

i guess cause autistic is the medical term

to say

[thorn thorn]

Autistic is a way to describe people like me

[flint escarp]

Would you guys go Splicer over Parsons ornamental for offhand dagger? 🤔

[thorn thorn]

Otherwise we say Tism

[pulsar plank]

I've never seen someone suffer from autism

[marsh fjord]

sim

[pulsar plank]

it is a good buff

[thorn thorn]

Autism is a very good debuff

[balmy condor]

what are you talking about?

[wide berry]

sim

[pulsar plank]

depends on the type i think

[humble verge]

the difference

for offhand

is usually minimal

[balmy condor]

@west crown

[west crown]

Forget about it Eleem cleared it up

[balmy condor]

literally nothing but coin flips

[spice surge]

I sorted it out, bro hit the filter calling himself silly afterwards

[flint escarp]

sim

[west crown]

I'm bad

[balmy condor]

based

a filter hit for the boys

[spice surge]

Happens to the best of us

[west crown]

This is why we don't ping

[humble verge]

literally me

[thorn thorn]

Could be worse

[gritty laurel]

nice drilldos

[thorn thorn]

You could be the type that just pings theorycrafters about blatantly misinformation and tries to argue the TC are wrong

We had to explain the difference between cooldown reduction and cooldown recharge rate

That was a fun one

[static glacier]

highkey

[gritty laurel]

easy, just tell them cooldown recharge rate is a logarythmic function they'll get it easy peasy

[thorn thorn]

Would your life not be easier just making these into gifs

[static glacier]

i think my uh alt does more dmg than rogue main at like 6 less ilvls

[thorn thorn]

Tried

[thorn thorn]

What alt

[wide berry]

🙂

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warcraft-wow-death-knight-unholy-unholy-dk-gif-1963732192132414029

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/john-krasinski-oh-no-shame-on-you-nah-fail-gif-15679323

[static glacier]

swampface dmg

[thorn thorn]

[static glacier]

rogue doesn't really come close at 702

im talking about my main, not the guy in the group

[humble verge]

no, its not the animations, its the sound that immerses you

[minor coyote]

@balmy condor

[thorn thorn]

I have never had sound when I looked at these

[minor coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/academy-oscars-oscars2017-emma-stone-gif-7885694

this is because of you 😭

i was so happy

it was 2nd boss heroic

[humble verge]

did u not psot this earlier today

or is this another run

[minor coyote]

yes, but to the boys, the thanks is to whispyr

bcs he taught me all

with guides

[normal mist]

Some upgrades here and there, and my Sentinel log got denied because the 3 priests decided to troll me

[thorn thorn]

[thorn thorn]

[humble verge]

wait

did u die? xd

[thorn thorn]

No

[humble verge]

wait

is the log invalid?

[thorn thorn]

If you get too many PI's WCL invalidates your log

[normal mist]

too many externals

[humble verge]

HAHAHAHAH

NOWAY

[thorn thorn]

[normal mist]

i had 3 priests pi me

[humble verge]

at the same time?

[normal mist]

basically

[humble verge]

yeah no that makes sense

[normal mist]

they were legit trolling me

[junior patrol]

hey guys do you have the same problem that you lose your target all the time in dungeons?

[humble verge]

i dont think i have a good enuff

log on plexus

[velvet ridge]

um, like your caustic target? i make the CS target nameplate green

[normal mist]

my biggest feels bad moment on sentinel

was his shield phase being at 31%

and i popped CDs to break it ((cds ended before boss went under 30))

:))))

[humble verge]

im still r34 on forge :3

[normal mist]

poggers

[humble verge]

i wonder what frac and dim will be

[junior patrol]

No it just deselect my current targets all the time

[humble verge]

a top 50 dim

it seems

for rogue

[velvet ridge]

oh, nah i dont have any deselecting issues. i remb i had that issure before but it was my mouse clicker being old, and me holding right click would like, spam click instead

[serene mason]

Kick macro with targetlasttarget or something?

[digital venture]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[junior patrol]

#showtooltip
/cast [@focus,exists,nodead,harm] Kick; Kick

[wicked carbon]

Apparently I need more haste

[junior patrol]

thats my kick macro

[nimble thunder]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[obsidian harbor]

Guys best trinket is Araz+ prism for m+?

[junior patrol]

but it is during build up of bleeds..... automatically deselecting my target
friend of me (hunter) has same issues

[sly ginkgo]

Good Morning Ninja's. Whats the ilvl on replacing the durable belt? updated: nm its 710+ 😄

[wicked carbon]

Don't have this issue using

#showtooltip Kick
/cast [@focus,exists][@target] kick

[junior patrol]

i dont think it's because of the macro

[heavy jolt]

for the vanish in fatebound, does it have to be broken with mut?

[runic hinge]

No

[distant helm]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[serene mason]

Only if you have not enough CP for envenom.

[thorn thorn]

I dont think, therefore I am not

[cyan dew]

Guys when I have darkest night active when starting a pack, should I garrote > garrote > rup DN with 7cp?

[main bridge]

yeah you actually can't consume DN without full combo points

[cyan dew]

so DN is always top priority before stacking poison/bleed?

[main bridge]

rupture first but yeah you should consume DN ASAP

i'd also review the wowhead guide

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[main bridge]

because there's an envenom in there too

[cyan dew]

k, ty

[marsh fjord]

@humble verge What did you do with your cooldowns on dimensius?

use on first add? skip on second add? and then have it up for start of dimy?

[nova kelp]

use them

[shrewd grotto]

is it worth playing sub on fights where it’s better even though it sims like 1mil lower st than assa for me?

[nova kelp]

opener and raw kb in first phase, if it lasts longer than this berrate your raid for shit dps

[marsh fjord]

no way

[nova kelp]

do a big boy cd on the platform

[haughty flicker]

no wae

[nova kelp]

crush the platform

bask in the raids praise

[thorn thorn]

Game breaking tech

[nova kelp]

ride that wave through to phase 3

[gritty laurel]

simming is mostly only useful to compare setups in the same spec. comparing different specs/classes via sim is a crapshoot at best and utterly useless at worst

[nova kelp]

dont walk into the boss and just flatline rotation your way through the last phase

[marsh fjord]

all these tips

[shrewd grotto]

so play sub on its fights

[marsh fjord]

i dont know what i could do without you deja

[gritty laurel]

if that's what your heart tells you, follow it

[nova kelp]

worked for me

[humble verge]

we kill the boss so fast

[shrewd grotto]

no if i did that, my raid leader would be mad at me for swapping to aug

[humble verge]

ill show u my log 2sec

[shrewd grotto]

i need people to tell me what to do

[marsh fjord]

I see most people skipping deathmark for second add. and use it on first.

[gritty laurel]

is your guild pushing hall of fame?

[normal mist]

go to sleep

[nova kelp]

honestly dim simensius just kinda flows well for fb

[shrewd grotto]

no

[gritty laurel]

then your raid lead is a fuckin weenie

[marsh fjord]

and just naked KB

[shrewd grotto]

no i have to raid in 20 mins

[humble verge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6a9L21QFJWyCmtBr?fight=5&type=damage-done&source=22

yhere u go

[marsh fjord]

ty

Yeah you also skip second add

[solar wyvern]

32 out of 257 mutilates were blindsides today

[shrewd grotto]

i’m one of our top dps, so he wouldn’t let me heal, and we needed a rogue so i’m stuck with it now

[solar wyvern]

kms

[shrewd grotto]

unlucky

[waxen oyster]

the fights sub is “better” at, arent patchwerk

[marsh fjord]

Thanks, have a goodnight everyone. gonna go to sleep 🙂

[gritty laurel]

i'll have the night i deserve, thank you very much

[humble verge]

yeah, im in a gamer guild

[shrewd grotto]

i’m just gonna go to raid and blow up

[thorn thorn]

@fallow canopy

[thorn thorn]

Sleep is for the weak

[haughty flicker]

week*

[tall cradle]

does this breakdown look right

[haughty flicker]

its mid week need sleep

[shrewd grotto]

anyone playing poe2 on friday?

[haughty flicker]

no

[viscid spear]

Run Floodgates twice in a row, get neck both times

[thorn thorn]

[shrewd grotto]

[quaint nimbus]

what fights do we not use fatebound on?

[viscid spear]

Soul, Forge, Hunters

[quaint nimbus]

mkay
do we swap to deathstalker cleave build for those?

[nova kelp]

[thorn thorn]

Fights with any amount of aoe

[viscid spear]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[haughty flicker]

well not any amount of aoe

bc you play it on salad bar

and dimi

[thorn thorn]

Ok let me change my statement

[nova kelp]

dim sim*

[thorn thorn]

Fights with any amount of aoe greater than 10%

[haughty flicker]

dimensius dimmadome, owner of the dimmsdale dimmadome

[fallow canopy]

[thorn thorn]

[thorn thorn]

This statement is a meme do not take it seriously

[wheat hill]

should i be using fan of knives during single target with the bleed build?

im guessing right after applying dm

[quaint nimbus]

do m+ build for every fight, gotcha

[wheat hill]

but is there any other place i should be using it?

[digital venture]

I've simmed a bunch but i'm still at a crossroad and uncertain what to do...

I raid casually (try to clear a few bosses / aim for easy CE) and try to go as high as possible in pugs m+ wise.
If you compare the myth signet vs the nether prism hc for DS, the signet is better but if we look at the prism myth it's 1.3% increase. If we talk about FB it's not even a discussion as the prism hc is better than the signet myth...

Now for the myth ring, this would replace the plexus ring and as it is the 1st boss in the raid I can actively farm it already, so Ill get the ring eventually... So I feel like the ring is pointless...

Leaving me with the rashi wraps boots that is a whopping 2.3% dps increase but also a farmable option.

What do I pick? A Safe 2.3% increase from boots and aim for prism / Lily to boost my FB build from m+ or go for the non farmable myth signet and be happy with the non farmable upgrade even if it's not the best trinket?

[haughty flicker]

for clear the witnesses yes

not as your normal builder of course

[wheat hill]

yeah cool just wanted to make sure

[thorn thorn]

yea for ctw is good

I thought you meant like

Just pressing it raw in st

[wheat hill]

oh nah haha

[haughty flicker]

there was also a really minor thing about using it at 6 combo points to get to 7 for darkest night but idek if thats still a thing

and was always baby tiny anyway

[wheat hill]

just sourcing any way i can push that single target

cant even crack 3m most pure single fights

[haughty flicker]

way to do more st is to make it not st

yell at tanks to pull stuff onto boss

or accidentally throw a poison knife

[wheat hill]

yeah my guild tanks are weak tho

[haughty flicker]

[wheat hill]

they don't wanna do it

[thorn thorn]

Lame

My first key I was tanking I had a havoc, sin, and arcane

If I wanted boss damage to be >0 I had to bring funnel targets

[tawdry halo]

holy wet noodle boss damage baatman

was this a guild run?

[echo heath]

maybe they dont want to do it with you

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/my-main-goal-is-to-blow-up-and-act-like-i-don't-know-nobody-my-main-goal-is-to-blow-up-hahaha-gif-2863015232596367169

[wheat hill]

true dat

[thorn thorn]

No me and my friends just have the collective IQ of a cashew

[wheat hill]

nah its a fairly casual guild, they start to wig out a bit over +12

[tawdry halo]

It be like that sometimes

[thorn thorn]

Once key started our MW was like "so uh, who is in raid spec rn"

[tawdry halo]

lol

once had a guildie tank do that

[thorn thorn]

No lust either so

[tawdry halo]

started first pull

realised he'd cooked it

went outside and waited for CDs so he could change spec

[thorn thorn]

It was floodgate and ong the last boss took a mind melting amount of time

[humble verge]

me maka da dinna

[tawdry halo]

i still hear "its working ITS WORKING" in my nightmares

[humble verge]

honestly

rox

im thinking about not sleepin 2nite

[thorn thorn]

[tawdry halo]

[thorn thorn]

On the plus side momma melted

Pretty sure more damage was dealt during add phase than during the burn phase

[kind flint]

so

[thorn thorn]

Pro tip, dont bring 3 funnel specs to M+

[kind flint]

im guessing this has been said already

but sudden demise is somehow proccing LESS than it did before.

so its giga bugged right

[tawdry halo]

add it to the list

well, it's on the list

[uneven plume]

Wow update aka assa fixed?

[kind flint]

I saw whispyr say its bugged and barely proccing

[tawdry halo]

[kind flint]

but it deadass just didnt proc once during my 12

[thorn thorn]

In open world and delves

[kind flint]

I just dont see it

lol

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177447237492678728/1407697061612355634/image0.gif

[humble verge]

geeked va locked in

[tawdry halo]

this is gonna sound dumb but, you're talented into it?

[kind flint]

yeah lol

dw I double checked too

xd

[tawdry halo]

cool cool

[kind flint]

jw if anyone else is experiencing this since yesterday

This was my 11 priory before that

and it BARELY procced

[tawdry halo]

@balmy condor time for another crashout

[thorn thorn]

Its either gonna be a crashout or an essay on why we are dumb

[tawdry halo]

https://tenor.com/view/theyre-the-same-picture-the-office-pam-the-office-us-gif-20757621

[kind flint]

im bouta switch to sub XD

[fading elbow]

Facts

[balmy condor]

what did I do

[near valley]

exist

[tawdry halo]

sudden demise gigabugged maybe

including in m+

not just open world

[thorn thorn]

Also which one of you is this

[balmy condor]

why would it be giga bugged?

[tawdry halo]

some details metres

idk

[balmy condor]

yeah it's doing 3%

what's the issue?

did 2.3% in my 13 priory

[tawdry halo]

damnit we got the essay not the crashout

RIP

[balmy condor]

what's wrong about that?

I mean I'm just confused

[tawdry halo]

thought it should be higher

[balmy condor]

hell no lmao

it's flat damage

[balmy condor]

looks fine

[kind flint]

this 1

is the one I was talking about

[tawdry halo]

is it under hunt them down?

should have asked

[balmy condor]

I mean that still looks fine

sudden demise doesn't inherently do like 15% damage lmao

it's flat damage based on the remaining damage on the target

the higher you go in keys

the less it does

[spice surge]

Well if you let the bleed time out or nearly time out it will do less, if you really wanted to minmax demise damage you could refresh all of your bleeds right before they die

[balmy condor]

cause you have more health in the dungeon

[spice surge]

But that wouldnt necessarily be better for the overall

[balmy condor]

but it's doing the same damage

[spice surge]

It would up sudden demises damage though

[kind flint]

right like 3% at a 8 is way less hp than 3% at an 11

[balmy condor]

ye

[kind flint]

so in like a 5 key it would exe at like 5% whereas in a 13 it exes at like 0.0025

[balmy condor]

well not that extreme

but yes

[kind flint]

yeah just an example

time to switch to hybrid then xd

[tawdry halo]

no

absolutely not

[spice surge]

Luckily the spec isnt based on sudden demise

[tawdry halo]

straight to jail

[spice surge]

The execute from sudden demise isnt even the strong part of the talent

The passive bleed damage is

[balmy condor]

you want to willingly downgrade?

[digital venture]

Simed but still not sure what to get...
Should I go for myth signet or the special boots hero?
Myth signet is not farmable but it's worse than hc prism for FB but boots are also farmable but at least those 2 are good for both hero talents

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simulate-gif-8199108223823847654

[crude robin]

I think boots are harder to get/farm i would pick boots. Just my opinion

[kind flint]

take the ring

[onyx linden]

Myth signet isn't great and boots are kinda easy to get if you are in guild runs. Id take ring

[runic hinge]

Says who

[tawdry halo]

how was your daily heroic dungeon?

[onyx linden]

Looks like a 7-10 range maybe

[runic hinge]

It was a 9

Maybe an 8

[digital venture]

@kind flint and @onyx linden the ring is nice but it's not comparable to the plexus sentinel ring which is also farmable cuz ez boss

[plain hare]

can someone check and explain why am i so low i don't understand https://fr.warcraftlogs.com/reports/P9AWyLQKBVpX48tM?fight=73&type=damage-done

[onyx linden]

Boots drop like candy on heroic. Myth plexus ring may not drop for multiple weeks and a lot of people want it. And you can use two rings.

[crude robin]

What point should you stop stacking mastery is there a % where other stats are more valuable?

[onyx linden]

Sim

[wide berry]

dude 5M is only a green FUCK

im getting skill diffed

[normal mist]

depends on the boss

[scenic nacelle]

TFW you find out your bugged tier set desync'd your trinket after going back into your logs

[woven frost]

• checks pins * * is sad *

[runic hinge]

Me

[tepid meadow]

Am I crazy or does jastor still sim better than like 90% of rings until 707 or so

[runic hinge]

It’s bugged check the pins

[hardy prairie]

!wa

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[frozen glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/kawaii-anime-bunny-cute-gif-14039079

[hollow mantle]

shiv+tea macro still viable?

[balmy condor]

yes

although on fatebound you might want to just let it auto-proc entirely

[frozen glacier]

the cdr bug on fatebound is driving me crazy

[digital venture]

@balmy condor what would you pick?
I simed already but I dunno what's best long run:
safe rashi boots, signet myth or ring myth? Ring myth is comparable with the plexus one and signet is kinda meh for FB and decent for DS

I kow some people said ring but yikes xD

[hollow mantle]

but basically on the opener is worth using the macro to ensure the mastery damage boost

right

[plain hare]

if someone can tell me what i do wrong to be so low i don't get it https://fr.warcraftlogs.com/reports/P9AWyLQKBVpX48tM?fight=73&type=damage-done

[distant lodge]

Had an all timer in my vault this week, just such good options!

[thorn thorn]

@humble verge Did you sleep

[wise pike]

!wa

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[balmy condor]

no

[balmy condor]

I don't see a reason to take anything other than boots

[viscid marsh]

When we have 4 piece fatebound, do we just hold KB and DM until both are up?

[balmy condor]

kb is 0:45 and dm is 1:30 with the 4 pc

you do the same rotation but faster

[broken fractal]

!macros

[wide berry]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[earnest pilot]

yea they should sync, if they didnt you got the bug

crazy it's still not fixed

[tawdry halo]

no they definitely fixed it, check the patch notes

big blizzard never makes mistakes

[digital venture]

ring has crit haste and is myth so not farmable
signet is also myth but not farmable
boots are hero and farmable

[balmy condor]

yeah but ring is meh, signet is bad, and boots are very good

so do you want a myth bad

or a hero good

[digital venture]

i figured this ring is a worse version of the plexus one

[drifting cloud]

upgrading that ring or crafting one is basically same shit

and unless you raid myth youre not replacing boots

[balmy condor]

yeah but you're not going myth for a long time right

[digital venture]

it's the 1st boss, should be doable next week-ish, hopefully

[digital venture]

i do raid myth question is how long till myth dhs fight xD

[balmy condor]

so then you're able to farm a better ring

[wide berry]

honestly its fuckin wow gear will come

[balmy condor]

like all your shit is getting replaced

what's it matter

[digital venture]

thanks guys, feel cozier to get boots

[wide berry]

the robot says put the round peg in round hole and i go 🙂

[hollow fulcrum]

what is the dr for mastery

like can i have too much mastery

[balmy condor]

DR's are noob bait

[weary spear]

Whatever the sim says

[oak ember]

what stats do we craft the wrists with?

[balmy condor]

you can just send without a missive, yolo

[solar wyvern]

hoyl fucking rng

[rotund oak]

tails gamer

[loud crypt]

!wa

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[hollow fulcrum]

what should our 3rd craft be

or is it just whatever to increase ilvl

[dense jolt]

i raise you

[sullen hearth]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[old terrace]

Guys, how are my logs?

[bronze horizon]

So, question, has anybody else experienced this? I just saw this happen in my opener where I had 10 stacks of the heads buff, and then dropped to 8 stacks of tails. It's supposed to reset when it doesn't hit the same face right? I read all the fatebound tooltips and didn't see anything that implies it's supposed to do that.

[runic hinge]

[wise gull]

haven't played assa since S1

[ebon prism]

Is that heroic or mythic

[wise gull]

myth

[ebon prism]

Huge gaming

[wise gull]

rolled a 7 on antenna

[nova kelp]

rolling, gross

[restive falcon]

progging soul hunters, is it omega grief if i dont have gar/rup on all 3 at all times or is it fine

still tryna find the rythm

[keen spruce]

niannas my king

[restive falcon]

[keen spruce]

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/log-cabin-log-logged-get-logged-lolol-gif-20978297

[bronze horizon]

have rupture on all 3 at minimum

trying to maintain garrote on all 3 is horrendous to play, and not really necessary

I just maintain rupture and keep garrote on main target

[old terrace]

Once you get rotation down does it just come to gear to parse higher?

[bronze horizon]

gear and kill times.

[restive falcon]

ty

[broken lion]

Ok guys, I parse well on single target fights this tier but I do rly shit on the aoe fights, like any with death stalker. So like what is like ad priority or do I just focus on the boss or what? rly need some tips for tonight’s raid

[wide berry]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CRXLaAbHhp7V1nJY?fight=last

anyone have anything? i cant get over this stupid ass grey/green hump and its frustrating

[thorn thorn]

Just at a simple look im gonna say you can go with hitting shiv a lot more

17 casts over a 25 minute key is pretty despairge especially considering you have 10 deathmark casts

[muted agate]

Are belt sims for real? Seems wild a 701 Atomic Phasebelt sims same/higher

[drifting cloud]

sounds like youre using the wrong power in your delve belt

[buoyant herald]

the real answer to this is that if your raid blows adds up there's nothing you can do

other than go sub maybe

you're ideally just rupture sniping for energy and trying to hit the adds with caustic spatter so maybe some KB timings

saving darkest night procs for spatter maybe

[muted agate]

rupture sniping saved my dam^^

[buoyant herald]

feels better too

but no matter what, you're never going to be an arcane mage sending out 5 barrages for 12m each

in a single gcd

[molten rover]

!wa

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[modern idol]

anyone got any input on how to effectively use voidprism in m+?

[muted agate]

i just send it w deathmark

[modern idol]

so hold it till max stacks and set it?

[tawdry halo]

nah just macro it to dm

or coordinate with your premade on where the big pulls are for max value

[muted agate]

That's what I do, idk if it's right. I just macro it with a temp pot to DM

[oak tangle]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[thorn thorn]

SD maxing

[neat plank]

your roll was penalized because you clearly don't need it

[buoyant herald]

are we demisemaxing in raid too now

theres probably an argument for it on heroic araz maybe

if your raid is slowish

but with the spatter/SF nerf thats kinda icky

[hot jay]

damn we killed loomithar on our last pull

that's for the best because we are NOT ready for forgeweaver lmao

was an unreal pull for me, I think I literally grabbed the #1 spot lol

[real granite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8EnCgbJ13Y

what are the m+ haters thoughs on this

[prisma quest]

!prism

[nova kelp]

just a preference thing, he's thinking of points in his preference as good while others are bad
people who prefer raid will hear the things he THINKS are good/bad, and think the opposite

[dapper halo]

meow

[nova kelp]

just how people work

[broken lion]

even still I just grey parse when it comes to aoe raid fights. And I know how to do well in m+ but yeah idk what Im missing tbh

like ik Im not going to be doing top dmg in that way but ik it can be better (I think)

[buoyant herald]

im sure you can improve but the adds can only take so much damage before they die

so you need to do more of that damage

you can either do more yourself

or less can be done by the rest of your raid

[haughty flicker]

or tricks the mage and hope they die

[buoyant herald]

the rest of your raid doing less is, by far, the bigger opportunity

but one you can't control so rip

[real granite]

how stupid would be to add multipliers to dmg and hp for raid, as they are for m+, just for people that like the raid enviroment

[nova kelp]

it can come down to who is in your group too yeah
like pre warrior changes in s1 it didn't matter HOW hard you tried, a warrior focusing their cds on the adds in rashanan WAS going to get ALL of the aoe damage

[hot jay]

those adds were so silly

[nova kelp]

when I take on binder in heroic, I have 2 giga ww's to compete with, they kill the adds in the tubes as fast as tghey appear

[real granite]

cause i get the point that, when you are in farming, the raid can get boring and monotonous, still the progress sensation and the feels when you kill a boss you have been for one week is not comparable to timing a high key

[hot jay]

2 warriors shouldn't be able to kill ALL of the adds in each spawn wave by themselves

[nova kelp]

I LITERALLY don't even have time to hit them with a sectec

[hot jay]

in season 1 raid

but they did

[nova kelp]

so soulbinder in heroic for me in my raid, is a ST fight

[hot jay]

they didn't have enough hp

[buoyant herald]

this is what im getting at, the effort required even as sub to set up a sec tech is crazy compared to some classes that just go boom

[nova kelp]

this isn't true, it FEELS true, and objective when that's the way you lean

but it's not factually a baseline truth

a LOT of people feel the opposite

[hot jay]

somehow 2 warriors together could do every rashanan add wave just by themselves, they did the lions share of damage to ovinax larva (if you didn't have a frost dk)

and kill all the baby spiders in p3 queen

it was such a weird raid tier

[nova kelp]

that's just how preferences work

we're insanely good at rationalisation

[buoyant herald]

i think if you wanted to pad on araz you'd actually need to just play key bleed build if your raid isn't working around you

and demisemax

[distant plinth]

Just go sub and blast

[hot jay]

oh I will be playing sub for it

[buoyant herald]

it'll change in mythic because adds live longer

[hot jay]

I just mean we as a guild are gonna get spanked by that boss

for a bit

[distant plinth]

He got nerfed alot

Hes a 30-50 pull boss now once the CC in p1 is in hes a free boss

[hot jay]

did the tight timing of the pylons or pillars (whatever they are really called I don't know) get nerfed?

the time that they all have to die within

[distant plinth]

You just need to kill it within 5sec eachother. And im not sure about the timing tbh.. sent one shadow charge on it thats it

[hot jay]

oh, 5 seconds

I think it was 1 second at some point lmao?

that might've been nerfed very fast

like during the race even

[distant plinth]

Haha hmmm didnt watch the race 🙁 ruins my experience with mythic raiding

[gilded star]

jastors still bugged?

[hot jay]

the way I see it, those guys aren't even playing the same game as me

the bosses will never be the same when I get to them

so its still novel for me to watch

[distant plinth]

Go in blind and experience the boss more fun🤣 but if you fail on a basic mechanic you will get yelled at🤣🤣

[storm forum]

dont tell my raid lead but i agree

i dont watch the guide videos until after a few hours of a boss

[distant plinth]

Hahaha, after a few hours you already know the boss

[storm forum]

it mostly helps with later phases but yeah

[nova kelp]

HOURS!?

bruv

[storm forum]

yeah like during break after 1.5 hours

sometimes after raid (3 hours)

[distant plinth]

Its not classic where bosses die within 1min bro

[nova kelp]

getting a mechanic wrong once or twice shouldn't be a yell at moment
but not knowing the boss till you're hours into pulls probably should be

[distant plinth]

Shit we have a RL here lanille🤣

[nova kelp]

fuck no, I always go in blind

[distant plinth]

Whats with this ethical stuff then😭

[storm forum]

hasnt been an issue for me all expac, most mechanics are pretty self-explanatory, and the raid lead goes over anything remotely complicated before we pull the boss

[timber bobcat]

Might sound dumb but is there a Simming FAQ for M+? After years I still dont know if im simming right...

[nova kelp]

It just takes like either getting a mechanic 1 or 2 times, or watching someone get it 1 or 2 times
then you already know the fight

unless you don't pay attention

a lot of peeps jsut passively let raid happen aaround them

it holds them back

[broken lion]

hm so ill have better luck on sub for like soulbinder/araz/soul hunters?

[distant plinth]

Sub is insane on adds

[nova kelp]

soul hunters you can totally just run bleed build

but yeah sub works for all those bosses super well

well TECHNICALLY sub works for the entire raid well

[distant plinth]

Was around 9th place on details when the 2min mark on soulbinder came ( adds spawn ) i went to 1st with 1-2mill above 2nd place

[broken lion]

Is sub just better in raid? I dont wanna have to gear 2 specs tbh

[nova kelp]

i'ts not necessarily better

no

[distant plinth]

You just need ring and necks

[golden loom]

Same gear

[broken lion]

but I heard sin was better in high m+ keys so I went for sin this season

[nova kelp]

both sin and sub ar egood

[runic hinge]

I wanna use the same gear

Too bad I can’t get any to drop

[storm forum]

i also want tony to use the same gear

#justicefortony

[nova kelp]

I want tony to enjoy the gear he has already

#peacefortony

[runic hinge]

I have last seasons signet and myth gloves

[nova kelp]

#justicefortony

[runic hinge]

Lily one time pls!!

I wanna try some sub too

[nova kelp]

just do it

#nikeswish

[storm forum]

[runic hinge]

Ecodome prison

[nova kelp]

so there's this trick right

at the end of the key

when you open the chest

just pick up the lily

not the other stuff

[storm forum]

so true bestie

my priest has looted like 6 eco dome trinkets with that simple trick

[nova kelp]

dungeon bosses hate this one simple trick!

[runic hinge]

I did 4 today and looted 4 other things lol

I’m just picking wrong

[fallow canopy]

just get your trinkets lmao 🦐 issue

[storm forum]

if it makes you feel any better im currently in HoA/Tazavesh prison looking for a neck

[nova kelp]

that is a DOOMER image

that's the kind of thing that creates mental issues

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-lol-cant-stop-laughing-gif-14341553

[cunning needle]

cooked take from someone that needs to touch grass. he makes it sound like somehow m+ gets more complex and difficult whenever the key level goes up when all that's happening is a numbers % change

you still have to do the exact same fucking things

and not everything needs to be played infinitely

its okay to stop

and for content to end

you can also challenge yourself in raid every week to do better than you did last week

or better than other people

???

fuck

i acutally got baited

thats my fault

[unborn rain]

lol

[serene solar]

Gear makes keys easier too tho. Just dont equip the new seasons gear for either content and keep it on hard mode all season. Problem solved

[nova kelp]

the true answer is fated season
EVERYONE LOVES fated season

[cunning needle]

okay shut the fuck up

[nova kelp]

hahahahaha

[cunning needle]

im not being baited again

once a day is enough

[serene solar]

God I love fated seasons

[nova kelp]

but what was your favourite dungeon of all time?

and why was it violet hold?

[real granite]

i loved doing 7387239174 maws a day in legion

favourite dung ever

[serene solar]

Fated season with violet hold and grim batol and im set baby

[coral ibex]

cant take tank players seriously with takes like this im ngl

"i sit in front of the boss and tank priv mechs i dont understand as i get stronger, raid is boring"

good job

[real granite]

so you think tanking in m+ is insanely harder than in raid?

[coral ibex]

go back to pulling the same dungeon for 6 months

no i just think he has a poor perspective on raiding

[cunning needle]

the game isnt insanely hard to begin with

[nova kelp]

honestly though, from a different role pov
if I was a tank
I would HATE raid by comparison to m+

[cunning needle]

but yeah raid tanking is mind numbing boring

[coral ibex]

also a tank player saying you can just play m+ all day

[real granite]

so m+ tanks are better players than raid ones?

[cunning needle]

fuck i hate tanks

[cunning needle]

in M+ sure

a good m+ gamer does not make a good raid gamer

and vice versa

we have a guy in our raid team whos 0.1 etc etc

fucks up in raid so many times

JUST DO WHAT THE FUCKING WEAKAURA TELLS YOU TO DO ON FRAC

DONT THINK

JUST DO

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[coral ibex]

yea i have noticed anecdotally that emplussers struggle with pure WA bosses like frac

buddy just turn your brain off and hit the boss

stop trying to call breaks on the fly

[cunning needle]

i honestly dont know why m+ andys struggle in raid so much

that part acutally confuses me

to the why

[coral ibex]

its a very different game mode

[cunning needle]

is it though?

[coral ibex]

yes

dungeon bosses are not challenging

and raid bosses dont play like large aoe pulls

[cunning needle]

yeah but the concepts are still teh same

dodge X

stack on Y

bait Z

[coral ibex]

the coordination required in raid is higher

[cunning needle]

yeah i guess so

[bronze pike]

lol

no

while raid is mindnumbingly boring

m+ tanks are a different breed of bad in different ways

for example, alot of top end tanks misplay alot of buttons and tank their performance by a ton. but it doesnt matter cause they live and key gets done

sl was peak tanking

on god you had to actually balance offensive and defensive and know your tank spec. or else you wont time.

[ebon prism]

ive never played fate build for raid. can someone give me a tldr of how the rotation differs from deathstalker? or is it exactly the same except no mark?

[coral ibex]

its literally base rogue

finish at 5+ cp

2 shivs for DM

1 shiv for kb outside DM

macro cb to kb and vanish after kb

[ebon prism]

oh ok

thanks! ill try it out lol

[onyx pond]

i would say based on the queue time i have waiting for a tank to join my key i would make tanking easier more fun and more rewarding.

[waxen oyster]

The only role I can certainly gets more difficult in other content

is pvp healing

at a high level

[zealous hill]

M+ healers have a different kind of mental toll, and I respect them for it

[waxen oyster]

Idk pvp healing is another beast

even your positioning is super critical

[zealous hill]

100%, unless the spec is gigabroken...You have to be so much better then your opponent

[cunning needle]

whats that, you showed a pixel of your toe for a split second? guess you're going to be chain cc'd for the next 5 minutes

[zealous hill]

I also really hate going to DR timers for no reason when healers are overtuned

[waxen oyster]

even more if its healers with a higher offensive role

like disc when it had dark archangel

and mindgames

[zealous hill]

Dark Times

Like might as well sit in spawn and pull up balatro

[bronze pike]

i mean, s2 tww is good cause not to many super duper tank busters or annoying casts, s3 looks okayish cause again not alot of casters

if you really want to fix the tank deficit problem. make tanks do more damage and keep this ratio of casters or less casters to deter silence metas

[zealous hill]

If blood had Abom limb id be vibing rn...but it isnt awful atm. I have no faith in pug Disc priests anymore, but eh

[bronze pike]

before df, tanks did 70% potential dps damage. now its 50% in df/tww. hence why theres been widespread aggro issues these last 2 expansions

[waxen oyster]

fotm generally brings the worst of players

[zealous hill]

Theres also a lot of melee with A LOT of frontloaded burst DPS and they get upset when they rip threat

[wide berry]

modern player when confronted with having to hold damage for 3 seconds

[bronze pike]

there was aloit of frontloaded burst specs in SL too

[wide berry]

https://tenor.com/view/gamer-crazy-gif-19728823

[waxen oyster]

wheres that meme

of the warrior going from bladestorm

[bronze pike]

wasnt much threat issues unless you were an especially bad tank or your dps cant hold their load for 3 seconds

[waxen oyster]

to release spirit

[bronze pike]

man i just wanna do damage

[zealous hill]

Like i get it, but chill my guy

[bronze pike]

heck most frontloaded dps threat issues, can legit be solved if your tank didnt spent the first 5 globals doing 0 damage tool like throw glaive. just learn to pump

[waxen oyster]

The only spec i could see it realistically was minmaxing felscarred havoc

[bronze pike]

and you wont find threat issues until your in a way higher skill bracket. where dps can actually press buttons

[waxen oyster]

but even then

the guide maker said to

get ready to insta blur

and/or meld

[bronze pike]

ya reaver funnel is crazy

i will admit, a solid devoker or a good havoc can make me a tad bit sweaty

ret paladins, i shit on and have no issues

[waxen oyster]

nah s2 havoc felscarred

minmax shit

[zealous hill]

The only time I get pressed, is Fury that know the spec full sending on charge. I cant keep up with that

[waxen oyster]

where you could fit in 1-2 more surges

[bronze pike]

bold of you to assume i didnt play felscarred veng

imagine playing reaver

[waxen oyster]

reaver is boring

no spb

[bronze pike]

thats fs now too :)

only use to trigger felsurge

[waxen oyster]

what the helly

[bronze pike]

man im gonna miss fs alot when it goes. reaver is boring and has no twist.

and anni from what we know is

[sudden brook]

[bronze pike]

"fill fury to full, brand your target. spend all fury for meteors"

so your gonna be spending your fury on sc

again

[waxen oyster]

idk i once watched an ele last cds

[runic hinge]

[waxen oyster]

pop his cds on the gather

and not even use dwayne

[bronze pike]

buff tanks

pls

you will never see a threat issue again if you made tanks do damage again

and not have a weird 30% damage reduction of offensive cantrips and trinkets.

[waxen oyster]

best i can do is give tanks their own signet brand trinket

[bronze pike]

[waxen oyster]

Which that tank trinket is dummy

for damage

[zealous hill]

I just wish the DPS gap in the tanks was closer

pretty much inting if youre not on DH or War

[waxen oyster]

isnt brew dam

up there

[zealous hill]

Brew has been doing stuff

Bear is abysmal

[waxen oyster]

vdh doesnt sound impressive on st

without their tier of hunt resets

[zealous hill]

Its the AoE tho that carries it

[waxen oyster]

Yep

and prot warrior is

prot warrior

[zealous hill]

Prot war is probs catching a nerf at some point

[bronze pike]

its not

i mean

the only tank that probably needs a damage boost

realisticly?

bdk

[waxen oyster]

technically prot war did good damage last season

just shit like non reworked bloodbeast bdk existed

[bronze pike]

all other tanks have simliar output, just warrior is kinda a outlier

but thats fine

bear isnt abysmal

it just most bear players are afraid of druid of the claw

and catweaving in EC

[zealous hill]

In keys? Yes

Terrified

[bronze pike]

i mean its not that bad

you keep 90% of your defensives as cat

[waxen oyster]

prot warrior is easier this season

[bronze pike]

and your only in cat for one global

[grim jay]

Garrote garrote rupture rupture fok fok ct

[waxen oyster]

excess rage gen

[grim jay]

Spread gods word

[bronze pike]

so again its just people be afraid to do damage

[grim jay]

Not that blasphemy

[waxen oyster]

more demo shoits more snap threat from tblast

[grim jay]

[bronze pike]

i will say im sad that bear doesnt have much attention

its like a 700% aura rn

idk why