assassination

[gleaming geyser]

2.5

[dim spade]

sim said the same, then ring hehe

[gleaming geyser]

you also have criminally low crit 😛

[dim spade]

How much should I have? 😢

[spice spire]

However much robot says

[viscid spear]

[dapper dock]

Hello backstabers, can someone have a cheet for opening assa with different spec Fatebound and deathstalker? I m lost for the first time of my rogue life >.> Ty mates

[gleaming geyser]

the openers are fully detailed on the wowhead guide

with pictures

[dapper dock]

ty 🙂

[tight oracle]

is blood mallet a good tool to use for trinkets?

[subtle tundra]

stop fucking crying 24 7

grow up

[novel star]

mom and dad are fighting

[burnt star]

No. Use fuu's sheet if u wanna know

There is a trinket sim

[tight oracle]

i was comparing them and it was so different

thats why i asked

[burnt star]

U can sctoll down and see the combination

[midnight mist]

he asked me

you fuck

[haughty flicker]

[opal dagger]

Don't you have struggle on m+ bosses without kingsbane ?

[tight oracle]

the wep enchants are different on there too T_T

[winged sun]

i think on avg assa is slightly higher

if played correctly

hence how i did more boss dmg than you on most bosses

[gusty mirage]

Blood mallet can be a good tool, but the data has to be contextualized. Bloodmallet doesn’t sim a second trinket slot. So it’s essentially ranking them for one specific slot. i.e. comparing each trinket in one available slot and ranking them

[real granite]

assa has the option for adds to be pulled into boss for good funnel

[tight oracle]

ohhh ok, makes more sense

[gusty mirage]

It’s a good reference to see what strong trinkets are, and then after looking at them you’d essentially run a droptimizer/top gear on your character to see which combos are better for you

[subtle tundra]

i dont really

omg hi oxi

[gusty mirage]

Hello varas

[subtle tundra]

😊

[gusty mirage]

Are you done fighting with zac

I hate it when the kids fight

[subtle tundra]

b but he made me do it

[gusty mirage]

No he didn’t

Leave young zac alone, he’s upset because he’s experiencing what the rest of us experienced pre shadowlands a thousand times

Being let down by blizzard

[subtle tundra]

pre df 10.2.5

my ass itches

[gusty mirage]

Use a bidet you sick fuck

[subtle tundra]

its not the hole

it's cheeks only

[cinder steppe]

got this in taza hm, its pretty useless right?

only slots with embellishment are wrist and weaps right?

[barren yarrow]

!macros

[burnt star]

U could swap to belt

[barren yarrow]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[burnt star]

Or off piece set.. sim it

[cinder steppe]

ohh forgot about waist yeah, that could be good

[summer cape]

with unyielding prism 4p set fatebound better using it every 3m or 1.5?

[burnt star]

Crit mastery are good stat. Might be good for a while

[unborn rain]

the search bar is a good function

[burnt star]

Grats on hm

[summer cape]

you would've answered me already

[unborn rain]

prism sucks anyways u want forge + lily

[sand otter]

So to clarify is the jastor diamond issue for all classes, or is it jsut pertaining to rogues?

[main bridge]

Not class related

[sand otter]

okies

[unborn rain]

here u go dumb fuck

[sand otter]

ty ❤️

why with all the hostility.

[burnt star]

Thats.. mm a hot take

I had to scroll down a lot to find that combo

[high dust]

both forge and lily...? double on use...?

[unborn rain]

lol bro simmed my troll statement

[burnt star]

I didnt..

Its on fuu trinket sim 😅

I was curious how bad it was

[summer cape]

Thanks love

[unborn rain]

L get ragebaited bro

[unborn rain]

ofc bb

[summer cape]

i wish

[burnt star]

U just procced cheat death

Ur good for 6min

[summer cape]

fuck

[burnt star]

Better stay where u are and praydge

[onyx rain]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[thick flax]

hey, I have a friend who is new new/returning to wow, they don't play often but they are looking for all the improvement they can get, could I drop a log here and get some feedback to give to them?

[main bridge]

yep

[thick flax]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Dh6ym9NXfYW3THLv?fight=last

[runic hinge]

mythic plus logs

[thick flax]

Sorry I guess I should have said it was m+

[main bridge]

• no enchants
• no gems
• likely using default DISC belt module
• caustic spatter damage very low, probably indicating that they don't know what it is or how important it is
• one piece of tier, which is not a skill issue but tier is significant power gain

[keen spruce]

They cast deathmark 4 times in a 22 minute dungeon

spatter very low

they have no gear

[main bridge]

looks like they are not garrotting many targets either

[keen spruce]

they cast poisoned knife 24 times

[mighty vine]

one button rotation enjoyer

[main bridge]

@thick flax have them watch Whispyr's assassination guide video

[mighty vine]

(poison knife is on the one button rotation)

[main bridge]

it covers a lot of the mistakes here

[thick flax]

Okay

[keen spruce]

There's just a lot of fundamental mistakes that would indicate they don't quite understand the general flow of the spec

have them review the wowhead guide on the rotation

and practice the AoE rotation on dummies

[novel elbow]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen spruce]

to make sure they're solid on maintaining bleeds/spatter/etc

then just make sure they're pressing their damn cooldowns

for reference the 24 globals they spent on poisoned knife

was worth about 3 mutilates

[waxen oyster]

Why does it seem spatter won't hit loomithar spindles

but nimble flurry does

what the helly

[thick flax]

I'll report back these findings
I haven't touched ass since like s3 of SL so I couldn't give the feedback

[hearty seal]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[devout jasper]

is this bugs dps loss right?

cause i’m dmging like shit

or i’m bad (i guess)

[waxen oyster]

I mean...

[weary stump]

Little bit of both?

[waxen oyster]

It means you do slightly less aoe

But sin aoe is kind of gross rn

anyway

[main bridge]

If I’m doing well it’s because I’m a highly skilled player. If not it’s because of the bugs

[waxen oyster]

"Chat im doing 11.7m per pack and not 12m"

spec dead

[devout jasper]

i’m talkin about st i guess yea i’m horse sheet

[waxen oyster]

like none of the bugs affect st

[weary stump]

You can tell if you're truly bad if the group's ret paladin is out dpsing you in st

[waxen oyster]

You kind of just accept you do 3m ish on st

[devout jasper]

i did 5M pr something

[analog field]

in M+ st?

[devout jasper]

but today

[waxen oyster]

depends on boss

[coral walrus]

Question, how to sim for m+?

[devout jasper]

no raid

[waxen oyster]

if you pull shit into a boss you kind of crank

[fallow canopy]

I think we all assumed you were talking about m+

[analog field]

raid we are not buggedf in practice

[fallow canopy]

Since most of the bugs are more impactful there

[analog field]

we are but it is not a loss always

[devout jasper]

naa, just raid

maybe i’m bad for today tf idk

[waxen oyster]

I mean raid has

like 3 st bosses?

[devout jasper]

xdddd

[analog field]

now the worst the bug shows is on araz ds so just play fb

[devout jasper]

doin that

[waxen oyster]

I played deathstalker first week of hc

[devout jasper]

its lookin good

[waxen oyster]

it was literally fine

[devout jasper]

for today i play stalker in fract

and its good than fb

-_-

[waxen oyster]

nah fb is better on frac

with tier

[analog field]

yeah if you play ds in st

you will lose like 2m dmg

[dense anvil]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/egL7dVMFo88gFPnminenCA

fix bugs should say 5 million Madge

[devout jasper]

i tried but icannot take any proc

my cds are so dead

[weary stump]

Instructions unclear, introduced a bug that lowers you to 5 thousand damage

[waxen oyster]

skill issue

[weary stump]

Spill issue

[analog field]

i just did fract 4.5m dmg

[waxen oyster]

i got reshi boots in a normal pug after

[dense anvil]

nice Jastor bait

[waxen oyster]

probably need to add another ~40k to the sim

I mean my best non jastor combo is 5k less than that

[devout jasper]

my logs are hidden but i did 4.2 with stalker today

[twin hull]

we use 2 mana oils on weapons? for m+ and raids?

[dense anvil]

any ring is better when mine hasn't worked in a week

[analog field]

so why is it bad ? 4.5 is a 96

[barren yarrow]

I got hero signet from halls and I’m also still rocking heroic jasper lol

[analog field]

i mean i don't understand this conversation

[waxen oyster]

isnt it this buff

[devout jasper]

idk we’re goin 30 man hc and our wlocks ate the boss bro

[gleaming geyser]

Jastor sims higher than it does in practice; halls ring probably better

[devout jasper]

i wanna play in first 5

[analog field]

what does this have to do

if someone has better st

it is what it is

so like you came here to say warlocks have better st?

[waxen oyster]

i was joking about hitting the 5m sim

[devout jasper]

i think i need check the logs for better

idk i’m just askin

[waxen oyster]

thats a mythic jastor

its only 5k above double hero ring for me so whatever

[dense anvil]

Yeah I got you, I was too indirectly since I simmed without Jastor on

because ring don't work lol

[weary stump]

To be fair, warlocks don't have rights and it's a shame we can't as easily kill them with a pre pull tricks of the trade anymore

[waxen oyster]

well also playing brown orc

is like 20k on sim but less in practice likely

ds lets you put out the thiccboy 20m envenoms though

[hearty flame]

Should I just use use this on cd with DM?

[haughty flicker]

as fatebound use it every 3m

with your vanish deathmark

[waxen oyster]

blizz please fix singular

[haughty flicker]

as deathstalker yeah just macro to deathmark

[waxen oyster]

for the love of

[hearty flame]

Awesome, ty Bel

[waxen oyster]

that cut off spatter

[barren yarrow]

So I’m having to wait roughly 20s before vanish comes up. Everything else is up but do you still wait that 20 I’m guessing.

[waxen oyster]

fatal intent truly the goat btw

[haughty flicker]

no

your 1:30 deathmark you just send at 1:30

[red schooner]

Put 'I may one day have an aneurysm and roll outlaw on rc loot council and won it. Is it a sign?

[haughty flicker]

vanish will not be off cd for that

treat vanish as if it was a 3m cd instead of a 2m cd

and use it with the 3m deathmark

[barren yarrow]

I must be messing something up then

[haughty flicker]

well its more like 1:47 or some shit because of your opener being delayed

but either way its just before vanish is off cd

you dont wait for vanish to come up

you use dm then use vanish on the next set

[barren yarrow]

Uh

ok

[viscid spear]

Do you have 4pc?

[mystic hornet]

I like rogue but god these tanks not allowing me to stealth the entire dungeon is getting old

[waxen oyster]

vanish is a effectively a 3min cd as fb

[haughty flicker]

and yes this is fatebound 4p

which makes deathmark a 90s cd

[barren yarrow]

I do

[waxen oyster]

you send kb every 45, dm every 90

hold vanish and racials for 3min

[viscid spear]

Then yeah, as Fatebound 4pc makes DM a 1.5min CD

[barren yarrow]

Hmm. Then I must be doing something wrong because around 3 mins everything is up for me except vanish

[olive hearth]

Just wanted to pop in here real quick n' say, thank y'all immensely for the advice passed to Copperit means a lot to have folks help pick apart where I can improve

[haughty flicker]

that just means you're pressing vanish at some point when you shouldnt

the one i see most often in logs is at the 2:15 kingsbane

should be vanish on opener then hold completely until vanish at 3m

[barren yarrow]

Ahhh

[viscid spear]

Sin doesn't have CD reductions like Outlaw or Sub, they're all static

[barren yarrow]

ok that’s probably what I’m doing

right

ok I’ll go back and try more

try

Thank you

[viscid spear]

We can plan out CDs easily because we know the CDs and they don't vary

[barren yarrow]

This is true

Is there ever a time that having the 4pc won’t give you those intervals?

[viscid spear]

Now if I can just get 4pc myself

[barren yarrow]

Like the 45 KB or 90 DM

[main blaze]

There is a bug with the 4p

It's in the large bug list

[viscid spear]

The 4pc actively lowers the CDs of KB & DM, so there should not be a variance.
Aside from the bug as mentioned

[echo crystal]

My guild private logs, so cant link log, but for some reason my damage breakdown is just... really wonky. Im seeing everyone on else has Envenom #1 damage by quite a mile, but I have.... Kingsbane? Can someone please help me, because sometimes I pop the fuck off, other time I do such poverty damage

[haughty flicker]

that is definitely weird

without being able to see a log the only thing i could guess is you legit just arent pressing buttons enough

[analog field]

what boss and how much dps ?

[haughty flicker]

but its kinda impossible to give any real advice with just a details screenshot

[barren yarrow]

Ohhhh true

[viscid spear]

Were you fighting Saladbar?
Perhaps there's a hidden damage increase when using Kingsbane on royalty

[ocean quiver]

:(

[weary stump]

King salad himself

[viscid spear]

Caesar Salad

[haughty flicker]

i doubt its salad bar, he doesnt have caustic

[barren yarrow]

I wonder if that’s why a lot of people are playing sub rogue

[echo crystal]

Its plexus mythic, and my amount of casts seems compareable to others, my envenom just hits like a noodle. And its only sometimes. Dps is 3.92 mil. Im well geared at 709

[haughty flicker]

i did 4m last week at 703 and without the 3% buff

and that wasnt even a good parse

[barren yarrow]

Yeah ppl are slamming plexus

[humble verge]

wait, does dimensius pause dps between platforms?

[haughty flicker]

so something is definitely being done wrong here

[waxen oyster]

if you had intermission mid kb

[marsh fjord]

this is normal

[waxen oyster]

its possible for kb to outpace env

[haughty flicker]

the kingsbane damage could be from shield

since i think it has an amp

but general damage still sounds low

[echo crystal]

Yup, the thing is, then I did fractillus heroic at 5.2 mil. Im losing my mind because it fluctuates so much for me, even from pull to pull

[marsh fjord]

no

[viscid spear]

I have that combo and it does not feel good

[marsh fjord]

double on use is terrible

[humble verge]

well atleast ive fixed almost all my heroic logs

[sharp trellis]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KQDPh8MVpAGZbwcJ?fight=36&type=damage-done&source=15 If some guy want to look at this log, i don't get why i am that low .

[waxen oyster]

Salad breakdown kb isnt that high

[barren yarrow]

Do private logs count towards parses in public?

I guess not

[haughty flicker]

nope

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-jk-penguin-laugh-its-was-a-joke-gif-10296567519423629847

[barren yarrow]

Yeah my guild runs private logs as well

shucks

[waxen oyster]

man i would not do priv logging

unless like 50 wr or mroe

[umbral sigil]

looks like you just gotta lock in brodie

[barren yarrow]

it’s not up to me lol

I’m just a raider

[haughty flicker]

ok well right away forge trinket on fatebound is big garbage poo poo

so that isnt helping

[waxen oyster]

Yeah i mean more of i wouldnt stay in a low ce guild

that privates

but thats just me

[umbral sigil]

imagine wclogs straight up telling you to lock tf in

[barren yarrow]

I am in a CE guild

[umbral sigil]

I am in a nursing home

[barren yarrow]

I do public for my own personal reasons that I can use to learn from.

but officially it’s all private

[haughty flicker]

your second shiv in opener looks late, it should be right after your first one runs out

you want to shiv your full deathmark, not the back half of kingsbane

during deathmark windows

[waxen oyster]

I mean level of ce varies

[haughty flicker]

you also randomly pressed a shiv at 38 seconds that does nothing

[waxen oyster]

but lol

araz as fb

[haughty flicker]

and since you pressed shiv randomly you only had one for your 1:30 deathmark

[waxen oyster]

be a prism enjoyer

[humble verge]

why would i need to lock in for hc

[waxen oyster]

nowhere on details until the 3min execute dm

then you're 1st

[haughty flicker]

for solo kingsbanes like this only use one shiv on the back half, dont shiv at the start

[umbral sigil]

idk you tell me?

[haughty flicker]

at 3m your burst sequence is messy, remember to always shiv>deathmark>kingsbane

as fatebound

[waxen oyster]

buffing coinflip goodge

[haughty flicker]

you also refreshed rupture before using both cold blood envenoms

[waxen oyster]

why are we cloaking during our cds

[haughty flicker]

thats very minor but it nerfs your coin damage a bit

then you again randomly shived with nothing in sight

always shiv twice during deathmark and once at the last 8s of your solo kingsbane, there are no dry shivs or anything for fatebound

[ocean quiver]

Opinions on the vault? neck sims lower than my current neck in m+ but sims higher in ST, shoulders sim higher in m+ but lower gain in st

[humble verge]

helmet or neck

but also

take what sims higher

its the 3rd week

[ocean quiver]

neck sims higher st, but negative in m+

[humble verge]

i wanna say

if youre not actively pushing m+ into 17s

or progging mythic 3 days a week

[waxen oyster]

simming jewelry is wonky

[humble verge]

choosing whatever is in there

does not matter at all

[waxen oyster]

since weights can flip

[ocean quiver]

we were progging mythic last week

[analog field]

pick whatever will not appear in the vault next week

[ocean quiver]

cheers pal will just use my psychic abilities and guess

[gleaming geyser]

id grab neck personally because myth tier helm can be acquired easier, not only from vault

but both great options

[analog field]

but hgead better stats

[ocean quiver]

the neck is crit mastery

[gleaming geyser]

neck is crit haste

[runic hinge]

Gotta ignore mechanics

[ocean quiver]

oh

well that

[waxen oyster]

assa has no bad stats

i think sub doesnt like tier shoulders though

If either had a tert i'd just take honestly.

[gleaming geyser]

this season has vers overload

[waxen oyster]

Well good thing we are hitting dr territories so getting vers honestly aint bad

also buffs reshi cloak

[fresh kelp]

Taking head lets you save a catalyst charge

Kind of nice

[waxen oyster]

i saw a dh in a pug with tier boots

absolutely diabolical

[haughty flicker]

full vers reshiimaxxing build

[gleaming geyser]

he probably catalysed soul hunters boots

[waxen oyster]

bro didnt even have 2p

I think more than any other class, dhs i've inspected refuse to play wowhead suggested builds

[sharp trellis]

ty for clarify will try

[haughty flicker]

well they're blind how are they supposed to read the guide

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-gif-11816971814746635421

[waxen oyster]

It's mostly some of them refuse to play any of the movement related talents.

[halcyon saddle]

is our envenom caustic damage still bugged?

[waxen oyster]

Even rn when its a joke and the only one you play is vr related ones.

[red schooner]

Moth down, fun boss

[fresh hornet]

Guys, what should i do with my 2nd DSM. since my Vanish will be on CD?

[supple hinge]

which should be offhand and which should be main?

cuz its meant to be other way round but the il difference is so much

[craggy basin]

just went from previous 4p to new 4p, couple quick questions not sure if i just missed it in the wowhead guide. but for shiv when playing fatebound we are saving shiv for KB, no dry shiv shenanigans like with DS? Second question is am I only clicking cold blood with vanish ( macro'd) , or should I be casting it on CD. Same with vanish, sync with Mark, or on CD?

[slate crown]

ilvl

always ilvl

[coral ibex]

higher ilvl in main hand

what do you mean 'its meant to be the other way around"

[waxen oyster]

yeah like

what

[coral ibex]

there's no rule that crafted should be in your offhand

[fresh hornet]

isnt better macro CB with KB?

[umbral sigil]

Sync CB with KB

[waxen oyster]

they basically line up

except when your tier bugs

[fresh hornet]

my 2nd DSM and KG back, but my Vanish still missing some seconds

:/

[waxen oyster]

because dm is a 1.5 min

[coral ibex]

yea its a 2m cd and your cds are 1:30 on fatebound

[waxen oyster]

vanish is 2

[fresh hornet]

Yeah, thats what i'm questioning here LOL

what should we do?

[honest needle]

should i spend my gilded on upgrading my 2nd crafted piece with gilded crest or upgrade my mythic tier hands i got from vault n other peices

[waxen oyster]

fatebound basically doesnt have vanish or ancestral call align with your dm anymore

its fine

[coral ibex]

send it when it lines up

[fresh hornet]

so, should i use and vanish the next DSM?

[waxen oyster]

vanish is a 3min cd with fb

same with any dps racials

[fresh hornet]

e.e

[slate crown]

He means "Treat it like a 3min cd"

[waxen oyster]

personally i miss vanish being not a dps cd

ymmv

[fresh hornet]

but you can feel the damage of you envenom after vanish

[waxen oyster]

Not really no

[slate crown]

NGL I haven't "felt" damage since like, wrath of the lich king

everything just washes into the background I don't notice shit

[umbral sigil]

you arent pressing your keys hard enough

[waxen oyster]

i kind of feel damage when i play sub

during cds at least

[haughty flicker]

i feel sectec when it goes off on shitter adds

like rik barrels or something

[waxen oyster]

then outside of those im getting mogged by the tank on damage

[slate crown]

ok you're right

[haughty flicker]

press sectec just as they come out

[waxen oyster]

as i tickle the boss with backstab

[minor coyote]

what does curved mean in lobby names

[haughty flicker]

and they just disappear

that shit is visceral

[main bridge]

AOTC maybe

[vagrant tendon]

last boss hc killed

[waxen oyster]

curved means redacted

[fresh hornet]

so, i'll treat vanish like a 4min cd LOL

[ripe canyon]

Anyone noticed lags in dornogal too?
My game is lagging since yesterday in dornogal

[clever sparrow]

do we go 5p this season?

[waxen oyster]

You've been able to play 5p np

all 3 seasons of tww

i swapped to only 4 late in s2

it was a whopping 2k dps gain

[waxen oyster]

shiv comes before dm

[humble verge]

AINT NO WAY IM GETTING AN OUTLAW WEAPON WEEK 3

[main bridge]

I passed on outlaw weapons

[humble verge]

well

[main bridge]

Not a pirate muffin

[humble verge]

i put it as minor

lmao

and still got it

[storm forum]

Damn assa so cooked ur loot council wants you off it asap lol

[left berry]

am i doing way less damage cuz of these bugs or did i just get worse this week xd

[umbral sigil]

I talked to the mods(I didn't) and we decided(I decided) we are shutting this discord channel down(we aren't) until ret paladin gets proper tuning(they already have it)

[main bridge]

Got worse

[left berry]

sad

[storm forum]

🔒

[waxen oyster]

tbh what specs even use 1h agi weapons this tier

barely anyone plays enh now

[umbral sigil]

WW monk

[waxen oyster]

ig dh? but that wep is poop statted for them

[storm forum]

DH is pretty good iirc

[red schooner]

SAME LMAO

[waxen oyster]

idk every dh i talk to says havoc st sucks this season

[red schooner]

we got the moth down, we are not ready for araz, time to hit a wall baybee

[waxen oyster]

i've seen some araz povs and idk

doesnt look very involved for rogue

[haughty flicker]

hit boss

[red schooner]

You overestimate the coordination of my guild

[haughty flicker]

if sub dance for adds

gg

[slate crown]

DH ST is ok but to do raid ST you have to play poopy fel scarred

[waxen oyster]

i know

[slate crown]

in keys it's meh but the prior damage is so nice

[waxen oyster]

they're back to chaos cleave degeneracy

press blade dance only once for demon surge proc

then spam cs

[slate crown]

yeah

I just try to avoid scarred wherever possible

[waxen oyster]

ofc reaver is also gamba

in terms of soul generation

but cant say i'd be happy relying on immo resets either

[slate crown]

Kind of but like, you can at least bank them up

until you die and then lose everything

[waxen oyster]

You still want a decent uptime on thrill

[slate crown]

[waxen oyster]

iirc

[slate crown]

I mean in a key you want it for cleaves, and don't want to overwrite thrill

[waxen oyster]

Yeah what I meant

[slate crown]

as long as you end the dugeon with 0 stacks and have thrill up for the highest cleave moments, you can have down moments

[waxen oyster]

i think raid you wanted over 90% thrill uptime if you were playing correct

[slate crown]

so you can still bank up charges and overwrite thrill in favor of giga aoe pulls

so it's gamba but you still have an ability to control when you use them

[waxen oyster]

actually i guess around 50% uptime for the damage buff

80 for the attack speed

[timid bramble]

will there be a bug when the pins are fixed

Sorry that yall have been dealing with all that chaos with bugs this xpac.

I havent gotten to my Rogue yet in Season 3 but im still excited for it. miss em

[digital venture]

what to pick 🤔

[sleek frigate]

Simming it now, but I'm currently 2 piece with Netherprism trinket. Thoughts?

[main bridge]

South invading from warlock discord 👀

[timid bramble]

Its the muffin man!!!

[main bridge]

[timid bramble]

🌹

Senator Muffin

[umbral sigil]

Warlock invasion?

well boys

time to wear white

https://tenor.com/view/anime-fight-shardblade-assassin-in-white-szeth-son-son-vallano-stormlight-archive-gif-5539898782518010624

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-metal-gear-solid-metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-gif-26600205

[merry juniper]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[umbral sigil]

The one button kings

[royal lantern]

saaaame

allready said it yesterday once, i legit cant tell you what the "number" im doing actually is most of the time

i just see me high/low on details or check parses lol

[slate crown]

when mjolnir runestone procced and my sinister strikes like doubled in damage

wild time to be alive

[royal lantern]

seing people say "i did 8million overall" and my thought was "how much overall am i actually doing?"

[slate crown]

I have details hide in combat and details is buggy and often fails to reload out of combat

so I often just don't even see meters till the end of a key

and just live with it, w/e

I know how to push my buttons

[barren yarrow]

Amen

[waxen oyster]

i just know im gapping #2 and 3

and thats all that matters

[runic hinge]

I just know I’m going for sudden demise damage and I’m winning

[barren yarrow]

I think it’s dynamic overall damage on details

which gives you the “overall” snapshot as long as you reset it after each boss

I could be wrong though.

[sleek frigate]

Yeh it's just details 'overall' damage. After a key it will auto switch it to overall

[clever sparrow]

does crippling works on first boss mobs in Eda?

[strange python]

Requesting some help if someone could take a look at my logs and tell me why i'm shit.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/ragnaros/disguise

[thorn thorn]

Where tuning

[honest vector]

It should yea

[clever sparrow]

you vanished after spending 2x CB? 😄

[strange python]

first time playing fatebound this entire expansion, no idea

[vagrant tendon]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[marsh fjord]

Swapped to rogue last tier, this makes me very proud, i know its only HC. but still, i come from grey logging last season 😄

[old terrace]

What are we crafting this week, boys?

[unreal tide]

outdated enchanting/oil setup for weapons, there are gaps between your shivs within DM and there shouldn't be, you don't consistently catch the last 7/8 seconds of the raw KB between DMs either, looks like you're maybe not using any macros like tea + shiv, trinket + dm, CB+KB, your vanish use in opener is off, and you 2nd vanish is randomly used at 4 min.

I only looked at Plexus quickly could look in more detail if needed but should be enough things here to consider without going too deep

[strange python]

thanks, what should i be using on weps?

also on your second point, first shiv runs out with maybe 9/10 seconds left of KB so i wait until it will overlap the end of KB

not sure what i'm doing wrong there

[unreal tide]

send back to back during DM

sim yourself for your weps most likely crit or mastery enchants with mana oil, just put on all the wep enchants with replace enchants checked and see what it spits out

[strange python]

one more, when should i be vanishing during opener?

[unreal tide]

with KB

[safe swift]

how much haste are people running for M+?

[lucid silo]

bugs? here?

[unreal tide]

then use it again during the DM at 3 min, again with KB in that sequence. Don't macro it to KB or you'll send it at 2:15 or w.e. before DM is up but that's not a huge loss and prob better than how you're using it in that fight so if that's easier maybe a step in the right direction if it's easier to focus on other stuff

[analog field]

another season killing our party with sudden demise

perfect

[thorn thorn]

Wut

[analog field]

first boss streets

killed party member with SD

like TOP duel

same shit all over again

[main bridge]

there is no duel in streets what

[analog field]

you have the container cell

where you have to take the other guy at 1%

[main bridge]

yes and that's not a pvp mechanic and you don't hurt the player in the cell

[analog field]

i killed him

just now

[main bridge]

i'm not seeing the similarities

[thorn thorn]

Do you have a log of that happening

[analog field]

when you are hitting him

his life gets lower

[main bridge]

no, the cell damages them

[analog field]

until it reaches 1%

[main bridge]

it's not you

[unreal tide]

you're damaging an object not the character, no?

[main bridge]

you have to break them out of the cell or they die

that's the mechanic

it has nothing to do with sudden demise

[thorn thorn]

Its an object around the character, but if the player died in the log then we can see for sure if it happens

I have my doubts SD actually killed his teammate but we will have to see

[analog field]

he died and boss was too far away

[unreal tide]

and if you did kill them... tell them they should have just vanished or blinked if they wanted to survive

[analog field]

let me see if i have log

[hollow sky]

dont they have a dot on them while in the cage?

[forest python]

is 691 ilvl nether prism better than 701 ilvl Signet of the Priory i sim but i dont get it

[safe swift]

is anyone good at simming and could he send me his settings for M+ simming?

[main bridge]

there aren't really any settings. just sim dungeon slice for M+, or single target patchwerk. if you're doing m+ adjust the buffs accordingly - e..g you probably won't have full raid buffs in m+

[stable sinew]

Yeah the cell does dam while he’s in it

[unreal tide]

use dungeon slice, no raid buffs besides hero

[safe swift]

so dungeon slice is recommended to use? i heard it wasn't good to use

[main bridge]

it is used for rogue

may not be true for other classes

[analog field]

probably security measure killed him , my bad i didn't know it has a final tick that does that much dmg

[unreal tide]

if the sim says so, who are we do disagree with our overlords 🤖 what about it 'don't you get' maybe we could help address that part better than is it better or not

[analog field]

don't have logs but this is my guess

[thorn thorn]

Like all things just blame healer and gg go next

[stable sinew]

Just blame healer

[analog field]

also having a resto shaman and paladin died

so no brez

gg ez

[thorn thorn]

Massive L

[stable sinew]

Invest in cables bby

[slate crown]

nocables?

[thorn thorn]

Always have the cables

[slate crown]

I carry a stack of 100 on my sham at all times

[unreal tide]

just run streets with mages, they can blink and ice block off just about every mechanic in that run

[analog field]

yeah i should

i have drums for the same reason

[vale fox]

question. in FB ST during opener why do we 2nd shiv on 1st shiv's fade and not wait for the final 7 seconds of KB?

[analog field]

to buff dm

[thorn thorn]

I should have drums but im typically playing a lust spec

[vale fox]

ahh

[unreal tide]

DM soo hawt, KB is fully stacked already so it's the same power either way

[vale fox]

so its more dps to buff the full DM with shivs than it is to min max the final 7 of KB?

gotcha

but during raw KB you wait for final 7 right?

[unreal tide]

when you don't have DM and only KB, then do the end of it

[vale fox]

gotcha

thank you

[analog field]

also with DM, KB is stacked very early so whether you do last 7 or 3 seconds before doesn't matter coz it is the same buff

[vale fox]

Appreciate it!

[waxen oyster]

bro should have dwarfed it

[thorn thorn]

Yea but then you are playing a dwarf

L

[coral walrus]

What is best performing spec in m+ on 12+ for assa?

[tawdry halo]

Bleed

[main bridge]

bleed all the time in m+3 for s3

[minor coyote]

normal mode

sadge

[haughty flicker]

good transmog though

[minor coyote]

is there a system in the future or even now

to convert champ>hero

or smth like that

[pliant remnant]

yeh, it's called "looting the same item on hero track"

[coral ibex]

buddy's got 2 trinkets below 688

[pliant remnant]

(no)

[coral ibex]

fuck my chungus life

[golden loom]

Well 8/8 champ is the same as 4/6 hero and thats the max without investing gilded crests so its still good

[serene mason]

was he the last in dps? ... its like alwaays

[pliant remnant]

[coral ibex]

ITS NOT SOULBOUND

LETS GOOOOO

easy cop

[haughty flicker]

[haughty flicker]

game

i got a warbound antenna from heroic yesterday

so champ track

i was so tempted to send it to an alt but that wouldve been trolling lmao

[marsh fjord]

btw whispyr said

that potting in exe is better

then in lust

Wanted to let ya know buddy

[haughty flicker]

huge

[misty holly]

Does Netherprism usually not have any stacks at the start of an encounter? Seems rough if we wont get much benefit activating it with cooldowns on pull.

[haughty flicker]

yes you basically do not have a trinket on pull

it tends to make up for it at the 3m mark but depending on fight timings i could see it falling off

[misty holly]

It's gotta be freaking busted then to come back from that. I guess longer the fight better it gets.

[haughty flicker]

it is very strong

especially if you get an 18 stack burst in execute

you shoot to the moon

[misty holly]

In M+ seems better, since you will be carrying over stacks for every cooldown activation

[marsh fjord]

HUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[misty holly]

but for raids when you might be starting an encounter over from nothing again and again, ouch

[pulsar orbit]

I'm rocking the RF one I got from Normal as a WB drop lol

[haughty flicker]

this is me getting an 18 stack prism off in execute on plexus

https://tenor.com/view/gru-moon-gif-9805707237905852293

and it wasnt even a good pull i couldve done better

[spice surge]

Prism at 7-8 stacks is stronger than the araz trinket on-use

[misty holly]

Oh gosh and the fights where we bloodlust on pull too, no trinket for that 😭

[spice surge]

So you can imagine that its quite a bit stronger at 18

[pulsar orbit]

im 2 dum I keep forgetting to vanish on the big one in time

got smooth brain hard wired to playing deathstalker

[balmy condor]

Good thing bloodlust is chopped liver

[haughty flicker]

mmm liver

[pulsar orbit]

pate en crout

[spice surge]

Coins aint doing more damage just because you have more haste

[balmy condor]

Your envenom ain’t hittin any harder

[spice surge]

Bleeds are though, but coinman aint about that bleedlife

[haughty flicker]

ye but my rupture ticks faster

[spiral vapor]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[marsh fjord]

Lust should give us a stat we can choose

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-cook-chef-masterchef-lilb-gif-13910066

[pulsar orbit]

oh god

imagine

[misty holly]

I choose avoidance so I can stand in stuff.

[pulsar orbit]

30% mastery for the duration

[marsh fjord]

HOLY

[umbral sigil]

wtf is this and whos using tricks

@balmy condor

[pulsar orbit]

I use tricks because I'm paranoid

[winter vapor]

got heroic ritual forge in vault, but its not simming higher than the lily, not sure if its worth grabbing anyway?

[rigid fable]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[umbral sigil]

i guess it doesnt hurt anything?

[pulsar orbit]

tea to shiv

[umbral sigil]

I just havent seen it before lmao

[pulsar orbit]

I've only had an aggro issue once this xpac and its causer the tank was being a goofball in an ara kara anyway

[nova kelp]

using tricks is pretty common atm because of insane threat with shit like cape procs off the rip

[umbral sigil]

thats what evasion is for

https://tenor.com/view/barbie-ryan-gosling-glasses-margot-robbie-handsome-gif-13665100648649288173

[pulsar orbit]

I would really like to see an overhaul to the energy system as a whole though, tbh. I mean am I wrong or do we just hit points where we're starved in ST sometimes?

[spice surge]

Thats intended

[pulsar orbit]

i mean it doesnt hurt, I perform fine, its just not fun

[upper spear]

truther

[pulsar orbit]

they fixed it for DK a long time ago

[broken fractal]

Hey guys, Im swapping over from DH to Rogue in raid is it feasible to play Assasination for the whole raid or will I need to swap between it and Sub?

[upper spear]

Fatebound does a lot better in energy effiency

and more crit = better energy management

[spice surge]

The "fix" to energy isnt to make it completely redundant and make assa like every other spec in the game, its to add reasonable things you can hold your energy for

[upper spear]

you're fine if you learn Deathstalker and Fatebound

[spice surge]

Like the tier set in amirdrassil that made you want to envenom at <1s of your previous envenom rather than just spam

[waxen oyster]

That's why you tricks the ret paladin

[buoyant herald]

That set was an absolute banger and should become a talent

[spice surge]

It is a talent

[radiant quarry]

i came to look if things were fixed and checked pins first. Thanks!

[pulsar orbit]

BRO YOU'RE EVIL

ours kept getting insta gibbed on progression on Fractilus

[waxen oyster]

pre bop it

[buoyant herald]

Huh wait what talent

[spice surge]

rapid injection

[upper spear]

can we pin this

[waxen oyster]

Alternative is the dev evoker

[buoyant herald]

Oh right I see, yeah sorta the same thing I guess

But somehow less fun

[pulsar orbit]

We dont have one 🙁

[waxen oyster]

[minor coyote]

is this trink good?

[waxen oyster]

Stay blessed

[pulsar orbit]

nope

[old terrace]

where can I find the burst rotation guide? the wowhead just says keep garrote and rupture up, and use envenom (and a few other things, but not a rotation)

[umbral sigil]

the opener section of the rotation page

[river acorn]

on a huge pull like first pull in gambit for example how many targets do we usually wanna rupture/garrote before we start pumping envenoms?

[balmy condor]

Most people in m+ cause the fucking tank cloak is ass

[spice vale]

Is fate bound still better than death stalker? I’m trying to minmax slightly. I have 4 pc tier, ilvl 703. Both crafted items but I’m lacking on good trinkets

[pulsar orbit]

only in ST

[umbral sigil]

ST yes

[spice vale]

Is fate bound more difficult to play than deathstalker? I’ve only tried it once but didn’t really know rotation

[pulsar orbit]

you need to know 4 builds if you do delves

IMO FB is easier

[umbral sigil]

Whispyr has a wonderful video on youtube explaining which bosses fatebound is viable on and why

[gritty laurel]

it's even more braindead

[pulsar orbit]

and more consistent

[upper spear]

IMO FB is easier

[spice vale]

The YouTube video I watched made it sound more confusing. Strictly trying to mix max on raid

[umbral sigil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kQzrwLEY0g&t=214s

[umbral sigil]

TLDR if its pure ST go fatebound

or if you can ignore your raid lead and just funnel boss

[upper spear]

theres a lot going on in FB, but from what i can tell (only been playing it a week) you basically just ignore it all and do your rotation. You use vanish differently, thats the main change.

[old terrace]

I've read through this, but I feel like I'm still missing a lot of information

[spice vale]

I was confused why you use vanish mid rotation

[old terrace]

like the stuff you guys talk about when looking over people's logs isn't in this guide

[upper spear]

procs coins

[umbral sigil]

Shivving before deathmark?

[spice vale]

Ahh

[old terrace]

what?

[umbral sigil]

Honestly i think thats really the biggest change with fatebound

[upper spear]

even if you dont, change shiv, pretty sure its super minimal loss

[umbral sigil]

yeah i mean i dont understand people saying fatebound is so much different?

[waxen oyster]

The two kind of play the same

except fb doesnt have dn

[umbral sigil]

if not that can you give an example?

[pulsar orbit]

the biggest difference in FB and the thing that makes it simpler IMO is "Aim for 5 combo points"

[waxen oyster]

I mean, ds is 5 cp finishers usually

[umbral sigil]

hard to give advice when we dont know where your knowledge is lacking. Could you share logs?

[waxen oyster]

its just darkest night

[old terrace]

I'm deathstalker, but when I see you guys discuss people's logs I see yall say a bunch of stuff that I don't see in the guide

like when to vanish and stuff like that, where can I find that stuff?

[waxen oyster]

its in the guide

[upper spear]

ya but you also do that in Deahtstalker because les than 5 CP wont proc your DN

[coral ibex]

the priority list says when to vanish

[pulsar orbit]

I'm def not posting my logs, I know the spec but my PC sucks too bad for me to be great at it

[gritty laurel]

does your PC stab your fingers when you try to press keys?

[pulsar orbit]

why would you ever send anything under 5 CP?!

[old terrace]

am I looking at the wrong priority list?

[pulsar orbit]

soul hunters drops me to single digit FPS IDK, probably cause my group was a full 30

[upper spear]

ya ik, so its both for both hero talents specs

[umbral sigil]

a lot of the vanish stuff is written out in the guide, if you hit CTRL-F and type in vanish its mentioned 8 times on the rotation guide. So its there but for the fleshed out explanations you just have to read the paragraphs between the ability priority charts and stuff

[thorn thorn]

Its because you got 30 people

[coral ibex]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps#fatebound-single-target-sequence

[old terrace]

ah, okay, so I don't need to worry about vanish with deathstalker, then?

[umbral sigil]

you may just not be looking at the right priority list.

[coral ibex]

correct we dont play vanish as a dps cd for deathstalker in raid

[gritty laurel]

nope, in raid you are running vv anyway so vanish is not a dps cooldown for ds

[coral ibex]

only in m+

[old terrace]

OH

[umbral sigil]

vanish in M+ is to spread rup and garrote

[old terrace]

that makes so much sense lol ty

my guildie was giving me shit for not vanishing during raid last night, so I was confused

also, what piece are we crafting this week?

[umbral sigil]

Like I said Whispyr gets SUPER granular, any information that exists has been explained, just gotta search the page and change the settings to reflect your current build/spec/hero talents/regular talents

[pulsar orbit]

this is an off week for crafting unless you're upgrading from W1

[radiant quarry]

WEapon and bracers are only needs. W/e is best for you to craft next. Neck or ring, really

[spice vale]

where can i find the macro's that puts thistle/trinket and potion together/

[old terrace]

ty

[umbral sigil]

!macros

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[sinful sky]

Yo, does anybody know if recraft dagger trick still works for free upgrade on myth track dagger?

[umbral sigil]

just add /use Tempered Potion to that macro

[blazing tulip]

Think it was corrected last season.

[sinful sky]

ty for info

[umbral sigil]

SOUNDS LIKE CHEATING TO ME

CHARLATAN

[gritty laurel]

99% of the time when a guildmate/raid lead tries to tell you to play sin a specific way they haven't played it and have no fucking idea what they're talking about

[old terrace]

well, he is a ret pally...

[jaunty kayak]

do we spam or chill/"chain" envenoms outside of CDs as fatebound?

[umbral sigil]

99% sounds conservative, most other sin rogues dont know what theyre talking about. Myself included

[distant forum]

Vanish and tricks him each time?

[old terrace]

🤣

[umbral sigil]

huh? keep bleeds up and envenom

[gritty laurel]

since twist the knife double stacks now you don't care at all about envenom uptime, it's basically never wasted

[radiant quarry]

You have the talent to have 2 enevenom buffs. you can envenom before the first one falls as long as you are not capping on energy. THere is no specific speed to when you should really

[old terrace]

pissed him off with this emote last night

[umbral sigil]

im surprised anyone ever tracked that

maybe im just lazy

[gritty laurel]

it was important in season 1 before TTK got buffed to 2 stack envenom

not so much anymore

[main bridge]

could you paste that here?

i wanna try that

[spice vale]

I appreciate you all for the help.

I am going to try to follow this on a training dummy

[old terrace]

I can't copy it from the wow window, let me extract it rq

/script e={"picks your pocket for 62 silver, 13 copper.","picks your pocket for 29 silver, 98 copper.","picks your pocket for 3 gold, 14 silver, 37 copper","picks your pocket for 19 gold, 24 silver, 51 copper."};SendChatMessage(e[random(1,4)], "EMOTE")

nvm I lied

[umbral sigil]

trying this rn

should be a default rogue ability

pickpocket your raid members

[waxen oyster]

i mean

do you people not use jaina's locket to drop dalaran portals on lock closets

among other things

[old terrace]

I wrote it 10 years ago, but you could edit it to be a sequence. As it is, sometimes it produces the same number twice and makes it look fishy

but if you get two or three random numbers within seconds, people react lol

[gritty laurel]

whenever i play mage i drop portals to oribos

[waxen oyster]

Not even ancient dal

smh

[pulsar orbit]

ancient Dal first

[gritty laurel]

oribos is worse

[frozen rivet]

can sb tell my why my fkin rouge is doing so low dps? like discord screensharing?^^

[waxen oyster]

I proudly wear my shadowlands enthusiast title

[main bridge]

you can link a log here

[tawdry halo]

Any logs?

[old terrace]

if I gear bis for sin, will my sub spec still be competitive? or do they require totally different gear

[waxen oyster]

There's so few items you swap between specs

[frozen rivet]

not yet - im not in to it how can i log it? how it works?

[radiant quarry]

sub wants vers

[red schooner]

Just don't have tonnes of haste and you're fine

[waxen oyster]

like necks and rings maybe

boots are stuck reshi

cape is locked in

[umbral sigil]

sub is mastery-vers

[waxen oyster]

belt is delve belt until mythic

You want some crit on sub nowadays

since stat dr

[umbral sigil]

imagine playing sub

[waxen oyster]

I literally just change my neck and rings

[main bridge]

sub is cool

[waxen oyster]

and its literally fine

[old terrace]

looks like I'm heading in the right direction then lol

[gritty laurel]

stacking vers on sin just means living longer too

[umbral sigil]

im a sin purist until we get ultra nerfed

the amount crit you have makes me want to cry

[waxen oyster]

thats some outlaw versa

if i've seen it

[gritty laurel]

but fb will prefer crit so maybe keep a ring/amulet to swap

[waxen oyster]

actually no outlaw usually has over 30 vers

by a third tier

[old terrace]

the one true void melee class

[waxen oyster]

they're shadow not void technically*

[old terrace]

letmebelieve

I made all my weakauras purple, and I'm a void elf lmfao

its my void melee class

[main bridge]

void melee is that new DH spec

[waxen oyster]

its midranged

[river vapor]

How much dps loss are the bugs

[waxen oyster]

allegedly

[main bridge]

69% dps loss

reroll devourer DH

[old terrace]

shadow dance on the left, combo point tracker on the right. its void if you believe in yourself

[red schooner]

I heal the boss now.

[magic fossil]

cl_crosshairgap -3

will help you with ur aim.

[old terrace]

thats a heart shot, what you on about 🤣

[thorn thorn]

@spice surge How big is 2pc/4pc over no set bonus if you happen to have the numbers

[old terrace]

if I want to share logs with you guys, which link do I need to share? I have no idea what I'm looking at

[spice vale]

should I be saving Shiv for Kingsbane 2nd go round in rotation?

or should i be "dry shiving" whenever its up

[humble verge]

if my calculations is right

our gear will be upgradeable to 730 for .5 patch

[hidden plover]

why does assa feel so janky, you start off with 5m dps and then after when you go into rotation you end up at like 2.5m dps for the rest

[balmy condor]

you dry shiv with lingering darkness and darkest night up, nothing else

[balmy condor]

that is in fact how cooldowns work

[humble verge]

what he said

[umbral sigil]

is the opposite of dry shivving wet shivving?

[old terrace]

seems like every spec I play is a burst spec lol

[haughty flicker]

just play bm hunter

[humble verge]

this is what dry shivving feels like

[haughty flicker]

they dont take their main cd in any content

ez

[humble verge]

my dps go high

[hidden plover]

i just get outclassed by everyone in my raid lmao

[humble verge]

me feel rich

[sage wagon]

I simmed my vault, I got 4 piece(no chest but I have it in vault) for ST and I have 2 on use trinkets, forge and lily, and vault recommends sack of terror 704 in ST over my 691 lily and void fragment 694 over my lily in AOE, is having them 2 on use trinks that bad though?

[spice spire]

Dev hour DH*

[hidden plover]

including outlaw and sub rogues

[balmy condor]

yes, 2 on use is awful

[humble verge]

i actually got soul fist weapon whisp

[balmy condor]

[humble verge]

[gritty laurel]

yes because it's all about stacking stats during a CD window, and buffing a KB window with no DM sucks

[humble verge]

nobody needed it lol

[balmy condor]

big

yeah weapons are whack

[humble verge]

i saved 30 crest on this

that i also got on nexus

today

[balmy condor]

we've been struggling with weapons in our loot council

shit is weirdge

[humble verge]

idk

2 loomithar kills

0 weapons

is kinda cringe

well 0 weapons for me

[balmy condor]

we got dreadful, leather shoulders a bow, and a shield off loom yesterday

[oblique flume]

hey guys,
this is one of my overall dmg (street), i have garrot first and caustic spatter only 7th, what am i doing wrong in the rotation ?
is there a limit of dot sreading like max 5 then start spaming muti + envenom ?

[sage wagon]

Considering I dont do that many m+ and im not pushing keys and such would void fragment be a better choice at 694 or should I just go with sack at 704?

[spice vale]

best weapon enchants? I see alot of people for raids running council's guile and stonebound artist

[balmy condor]

rolled legit half of it off for mog

[humble verge]

we've had mace drop from plex

[balmy condor]

yeah you should sim yourself with the secondary enchants, but those are good

[humble verge]

WAIT

[spice vale]

ok

[humble verge]

ACTUALLY NO WAY

SOUL DROPPED THE FIST WEAPON LAST WEEK AS WELL

i wasnt in so i didnt know

checking loot council history ome

[balmy condor]

5-7 ruptures, then envenom spamming for caustic yes

[balmy condor]

would need to see a log but this looks like you're not envenoming your caustic target

[balmy condor]

this is just a sim angle

[humble verge]

leather shoulders dropped from loomithar

given to healer/gm

but its a nice drop considering its catalyst week

:3

[hybrid scarab]

friends, is posion/hybrid build dead because of the pinned bugs? or just undertuned

[balmy condor]

hybrid is dogshit even without bugs

[gritty laurel]

more because the tier set makes bleed go brrrr

and bleed is just fuckin nice anyway

[sage wagon]

Sims fragment in AOE and sack in ST, basically I guess more of a preference now based on what I do more?

[balmy condor]

which sims higher in dungeonslice

[hybrid scarab]

omg. bleed build st still feels miserable.

[humble verge]

goated note

(i will never play pirate)

[sage wagon]

Void fragment does.

[balmy condor]

then I guess void fragment

[humble verge]

wait

i can play with that + stabber on outlaw?

[balmy condor]

yes

[gritty laurel]

bleed st is low but manageable if you keep ct up

[humble verge]

actual PauseChamp moment

[gritty laurel]

that's the price of absolutely shitstomping every pull though

[balmy condor]

good thing you're not there to do boss damage

[humble verge]

maybe ill try outlaw keys and not just sub keys too

[spice vale]

for the rogues still using durable info belt, which power do we use?

[thorn thorn]

Wait till zeross finds out about this

[balmy condor]

(also hybrid boss damage is probably worse)

[balmy condor]

he knows

[balmy condor]

crit or mast generally

seen a ton of people using charged bolts but I think they might be idiots

[spice vale]

see...thats what I thought too

but all of the top like 150 rogues on warcraft logs use it

[balmy condor]

yeah

warcraftlogs

doesn't know what belt power is equipped

[arctic bramble]

Im a return player and was tilting " WTF IS THIS LIGHTING KNEEP TAKING ME OUT OF STEALTH AAAARRGGG:

[balmy condor]

it's not a part of the API

[arctic bramble]

til i realise ;_;

[balmy condor]

so the default is charged bolts

and that's causing all the "I do what top rogue does" brainlets

to take charged bolts

[thorn thorn]

We love charged bolts

[balmy condor]

it's a hilarious cycle

[normal mist]

do yall use any WA for fractilus wall placements?

[balmy condor]

northernsky handles it for us

[normal mist]

thanks