assassination

[restive falcon]

im sub on forgewaever rn but wanna go back sub, i have heroic prism

[gray hazel]

isnt mythic lily really good?

[spice surge]

And the crit is like 12%ish

[gray hazel]

for 1.5m fatebound?

wonder if it overtakes prisim?

[static glacier]

unless you have some ungodly high crit chance and even then momentum would win from the crit dmg

[spice surge]

No

[ebon prism]

Damn! Which one u taking? That's massive vault

[junior axle]

How bad is the antenna after the nerf, i have a choice of a mythic pacemaker, the mythic HOA trinket, and a heroic antenna trinket,

[spice surge]

Nerf is irrelevant

[static glacier]

also how much better for cp economy on aoe is extra fok crit

not looked into it but I'd assume it's non negligible

[coral ibex]

idk yet im simming

but im bricked

[static glacier]

ftb's main advantage is faster activation condition and demise maxing

[coral ibex]

myth lily is big

[spice surge]

Its just more CT damage

[real granite]

a 15% crit translates into 12% overall ct damage?

[frozen iris]

What should i take.

Its awful lol

[night vessel]

sim

[real granite]

should it be linear, like 15% crit for 200% total damage being... 15% extra damage?

[spice surge]

If you have something like 35% crit then 15% more crit on crimson is like 11% damage yes

[static glacier]

ye since we have a chance to crit anyway

[lethal arrow]

that is tough

hope thats not me

[static glacier]

if we had 0% crit chance it would be a bit more than 15%

[marsh fjord]

10s for vault 7's for hero track gear

[static glacier]

due to the extra dmg too

[delicate trench]

torn between trink and weapon, every one needs trinket but weapon i can always get from raid.. thoughts ?

[static glacier]

I'd lean antenna, a lot more contested

[marsh fjord]

Trinket 1000%

that you even ask this qeustion makes me mad

because you have it

and i dont

😠

[ebon prism]

1000% antenna

[velvet herald]

antenna has been nerfed today

[marsh fjord]

doesnt matter

[delicate trench]

yeah thats my thoughts

[marsh fjord]

still one of the best trinkets

[night vessel]

so yesterday my raidlead made me play outlaw with a 704 mainhand bc i didnt do enough add damage. as fatebound assa...

[stark matrix]

Such an incredibly small nerf

[real granite]

ah, 11 considering the already current crit and not baseline skill

[static glacier]

which fight and why not sub?

[swift kraken]

i see my tier and my bis trinket im torn lol but the trinket is higher ilvl this rouge gearing stuff kinda strange lol so essentially i go for the highest ilvl gear everyutime correct?

[night vessel]

loomithar

mythic

[stark matrix]

Cuz sub does no damage outside of CDs kekw

[static glacier]

easiest way is to sim, but generally speaking higher ilvl should win (caveat is that fatebound REALLY likes crit while deathstalker doesn't care as much for it due to DN always critting inherently)

[coral ibex]

your RL is an idiot

[stark matrix]

Messed with sub on loomithar last night, even when swapping to the tangles and actually sending a sectech window on them I was still tank damage

[static glacier]

bro what?

[fallen arch]

^

[acoustic patrol]

HELP!!! Is better weapon with haste or mastery of hands Tier?

[static glacier]

do you guys lack ranged dps

[coral ibex]

your ranged are griefing

better make the melee swap specs

[static glacier]

i mean you can swap by holding cp, rupturing and spamming envenoms

[fallen arch]

imagine having a rogue swap for add damage

[coral ibex]

truly a raid leader moment

[coral ibex]

and then ur still doing tank damage

[real granite]

well yes, but you could also aim for the long run, if the item sims you the highest rn is one that you probably will replace later, aim always for tier pieces first cause you will never replace those

[languid grail]

sims marks araz

but idk

[stark matrix]

Or you could rupture the tangle and go back to doing what you do, boss dam

[static glacier]

tbh i think fatebound isn't as bad as ds for switching but ye, it wont be great - still I swapped if it got close + for rupture snipe

[real granite]

also you can plan for when the dinars release and not get bad trinkets even if they sim you for an upgrade rn

[night vessel]

yes. first, i told them that these adds are dead until i can do any dmg to them. then he made me play outlaw and i only focused adds then. 1,5m overall less boss dps but adds died faster

[static glacier]

ye thats what I did

[swift kraken]

ah ok ok im learning thank you as well @static glacier

[stark matrix]

Don’t even need it to get close, ty shadowstep

[misty holly]

Is this even worth taking from vault, or is a crafted crit/mastery neck likely to be better?

[ebon prism]

Too much haste prob

[static glacier]

that neck is good if you can get rings without a ton of haste tbh

[ebon prism]

Unless you have giga crit/mast on others

[west crown]

Don’t craft a neck. That’s my recommendation

[static glacier]

we do still need haste

[swift kraken]

i have to learn to sim as well can i learn on youtube or is it plug and play?

[ebon prism]

Yeah just 7k on one piece is a lot

[stark matrix]

It’s pretty easy/straightforward these days

[round fjord]

Soulhunter boots/trinkets.. hmm

[static glacier]

all stats feed into eachother, crit gives you more cp per energy and more dmg generally, haste gives value to your dots, melee swings and energy and mastery buffs all your dmg

[main bridge]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-raidbots-and-run-character-simulations-6050

[static glacier]

they're all multipliers @misty holly

[west crown]

I’d bet money it’s boots

[static glacier]

we aren't outlaw with a worthless stat

[stark matrix]

Download simulation craft addon, type /simc in game

Copy the text

[static glacier]

or survival with a giga overtuned mastery

[fallen arch]

Not only stat worthless

[sand otter]

Were we supposed to get a void splinter today?

[round fjord]

I jut pug HC on this.. so prob boots is worth? hmm

[real granite]

raidbot is pretty easy to use, you can learn how to use it in 5 mins

[sand otter]

(i got one from 2k rating) but i thought this was the week to get one as well

[static glacier]

tbh only mastery is actually worthless, haste ain't too bad

[ebon prism]

You have to do your weekly quest

[stark matrix]

Go to raidbots.com and then paste it into the text box on the “top gear” option @swift kraken

[static glacier]

it kinda sucks past the cap though

[minor coyote]

How do yall have vault isnt it wednesday reset?

[still spade]

i had the same options in raid tab damn near and took boots but I didnt have those 2x myth trinkets

[swift kraken]

Copy that @stark matrix

[still spade]

so just sim it

[night vessel]

"can you please play outlaw for add damage?"

[ebon prism]

NA reset today

[west crown]

Honestly it depends on how long you are going to play. Both will be bis or near bis for the rest of season. Probably more likely to get boots again

[dense cedar]

it is wednesday reset smh

[sand otter]

the weekly gives a spark not a splinter, its why im confsued

[stark matrix]

That’s about 80% of what you need to know, if you get lost that article probably would be helpful but also I’m sure most people in here won’t mind answering questions

[fallen arch]

Your lead is cooked actually

[still spade]

Today is Tuesday in NA. We live in the past, but in the future specifically in World of Warcraft.

[west crown]

Cheeseburger > Tea

[sacred ibex]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[night vessel]

well, adds died alot faster after i switched but i literally did no dmg anymore

[static glacier]

honestly if it killed the boss that's all that matters, you can farm logs on reclear

[stark matrix]

What if I get tea with my cheeseburgers?

[static glacier]

it's cringe but what can we do

[ebon prism]

Iunno maybe just do content and it will drop. M+ or raids

[sacred ibex]

Any recommendations for 4p set? what we avoid?

[sand otter]

guess my vault will wait lol.

[static glacier]

what's best for us isn't always what's best for the team, someone has to take the L and switch

[sand otter]

becuse it matters wiht my 4 set

[round fjord]

Prob... boots or sacbrood. Will do soulhunter and check if i drop

[fallen arch]

It’s not about logs I think, it just makes no sense

[hoary fulcrum]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[hoary fulcrum]

which is the best?

[fallen arch]

Wowhead

But all
Good

[night vessel]

it didnt bc we didnt have enough dmg to kill it. ran out of space

[stark matrix]

The guides will tell you 🙂

[static glacier]

makes perfect sense from the RL's Pov, he needs these adds dead, boss dmg isn't a massive bottleneck for guilds atm on loomithar - we're decently geared

[sand otter]

guess im giving up a myth trinket for 4 set lol

[static glacier]

he doesn't care that 1/14th of the dps optimises boss dmg vs webs dying slowly and people spreading slowly / having dots for longer and dying

[night vessel]

we always had min 4 ppl dead on 2nd phase

our dk had no add damage

[static glacier]

at that point the goal is to fix what's killing people

[coral ibex]

thats not the point, sending a rogue is trolling when i guarantee if you pull the log the ranged are NOT being ethical

[sand otter]

[static glacier]

tbh if I was the rl i'd dig in the roster for more locks / spriests

[boreal mist]

were there any hotfixes on reset for bugs or nah

[static glacier]

instead of trying to force people to switch as rogue / unholy etc

[night vessel]

literally made me play outlaw while our dk did less add damage then me

[misty holly]

is Antenna still good after the big nerfs this week?

[static glacier]

ye, it feels bad man

[nova kelp]

it's still bis yeah

[ebon prism]

Why would anyone do that?

[static glacier]

im just saying what the RL probably thought, it's not the best case outcome or perfectly efficient, but it doesn't need to be

it just needs to be enough to kill the boss

[pliant remnant]

3%

"big nerfs"

my brain

[sand otter]

i think i can get both if i get the voidsplinter we are said to recieve today.

[quasi steeple]

Is it worth to pic a hero track tier hads in order to replace a veteran one? Like, i know is a decent upgrade but, the 2nd option is a mythic chest piece or the 3rd hero pants over my current champion pants xDD

[delicate trench]

it sims 135k+, and 3% feels like not too much

[night vessel]

yes but it wasnt because other people were not killing the adds fast enough and ppl died because of it

[misty holly]

Were they clear on what 3% means? Like if antenna gave 6% crit before and now it gives 3% that is a pretty huge nerf

[nova kelp]

it's 3% less

[misty holly]

but if it was 6% before and now its 5.9% okay who cares

[ebon prism]

This

[static glacier]

next week 3% extra dam + vault and 90 more crests, should fall over next week hopefully

[nova kelp]

it's not big

at all

[pliant remnant]

It gives you a specific number of Crit

and now it gives you 3% less of that number of Crit

[night vessel]

i am pretty sure it will but still, sucks to change to outlaw without a decent weapon

[static glacier]

it loses a gem or two's worth of crit, don't think too much about it - follow the sim

[magic fossil]

legs mythic or neck from nexus king, raidbots is down 😐

[ebon prism]

Legs

[lethal arrow]

sim but prob decent

[ebon prism]

Not even a sim angle

[static glacier]

id wait for it to be up but im fairly sure legs should be best unless you have very bad items in the other slots

[delicate trench]

my main concern it is luckily a myth track trinket

[real granite]

most probably chest imo

[lethal arrow]

tier is really good, rings not bad, sim it

[pliant remnant]

100% legs

[delicate trench]

which makes me just want to take it for the amount of contest on it

[pliant remnant]

Just craft a neck or something

[magic fossil]

yeah, we have a spark this week

will wait raidbots just to be 100%

[coral ibex]

are you sure

we just got a 4th half spark last week

[pliant remnant]

Yeah I don't think we get a craft this week

[main bridge]

catalyst charge is this week

[pliant remnant]

Cata charge this time

[coral ibex]

pretty sure we dont get a craft

bc we're on 2.5 sparks

[marsh topaz]

Help please

[austere basalt]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[red schooner]

Have you asked the robot for its opinion?

[coral ibex]

yea i can help

you press win+shift+s to snip

and then paste

dont take phone pics of your monitor

[pliant remnant]

[static glacier]

probably lily

[misty holly]

Lily is good for fatebound.

[coral ibex]

should be illegal in 2025

smh

p sure a myth lily will outsim a hero ritual forge

but not 100%

[lyric stirrup]

I have a myth wep and hero antenna in vault.
sims say to take antenna but feels weird to pass on a myth wep (my mh is crafted tho)
still an antenna angle ya?

[coral ibex]

yes

[static glacier]

ye, if you're raiding mythic you'll get a dagger soon

[coral ibex]

you have a myth weapon if you crafted one

[lyric stirrup]

thank u guys, appreciate u

[umbral sigil]

is harvesters edict sim bait

[cyan dew]

Guys, ST with only KB up. When should I use shiv?

[umbral sigil]

before KB

[cyan dew]

should I use a second shiv on the last 8 sec?

or it doesn't come back for DM?

[umbral sigil]

FB im assuming?

[cyan dew]

deathmark

[acoustic patrol]

Help weapon or tier hands

[misty holly]

If you arent raiding myth take the dagger now. Its much rarer from dungeon vault slots.

[real granite]

i would go dagger in all scenarios

[main bridge]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[static glacier]

v true

[surreal vale]

Weapong 100% its the biss one for m+

[dense cedar]

??

[wide flare]

Are we still fine despite the bugs we have?

[lethal arrow]

take the lily

[acoustic patrol]

sos el cywen del chat del peruto?

[lethal arrow]

if i recall that weapon has decent stats, prob the weapon

itll sim higher than tier gloves unless ur not 4 set

[real granite]

depends on how you define fine xD but yeah we are still very competitive

[nimble mauve]

can catalyze legs, both sim similar in ST but legs better in aoe, but isnt a good neck harder to get? elp

[lethal arrow]

necks are easier to get this patch

[frozen otter]

are the assa bugs fixed?

[lethal arrow]

they added more into the pool

[vocal seal]

real

[pliant remnant]

No, and if they do end up fixing them, they'll probably fuck something else up and bug something else

[static glacier]

nah, crafted neck is really good

[pliant remnant]

[static glacier]

id take the legs

[lethal arrow]

not only did they not fix the bugs, they added more bugs

[pliant remnant]

I'd take legs too

[frozen otter]

shit so we go sub for now

[wide flare]

competetive is fine for me🤙

[nimble mauve]

ty mates

[real granite]

what do you mean they added more bugs

this week new bugs?

with this last reset?

[lethal arrow]

we just found another one

thats all

[real granite]

which one?

[lethal arrow]

caustic isnt doing singular focus

so we're losing funnel dmg

[real granite]

ah yeah, but thats last week

[main bridge]

There’s a bug where I am not top damage sometimes. Hoping blizzard fixes it soon

[lethal arrow]

that was 3 days ago

lol

[pliant remnant]

I don't have that bug, Muffin

but still blizzard pls fix

[onyx pond]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[real granite]

nah, this was known after last week reset

6days ago or so

or maybe im tripping idk

[main bridge]

It’s in the pins

[cyan dew]

guys with fatebound on a cleave fight. When should I use FoK

?

[fallen charm]

feelsbad sacbrood sucking this season

[static glacier]

no shot it's not an upgrade

do you have antenna already?

[languid grail]

stone idol its not the best trink?

[rigid fable]

Dungeon slice give me a weird stats

[static glacier]

also has solea's with non haste been implemented in raidbots/simc yet?

[fallen charm]

stone idol is an active

[thick juniper]

stone sims great but I hate to channel so much

[rigid fable]

should i still simulating dungeon slice?

[static glacier]

for dungeons ye, a lot of work went into making our apl work for dslice due to stealth interactions etc

[rigid fable]

he gives me some options that i got 11k versa...

[dense cove]

my 684 jastor still sims super strong, but i guess i just need to consider it unreliable since it's actually bugged in game?

[static glacier]

it's not that strange, sin makes decent use of vers too

[rigid fable]

cuz of archon, he says about 7k versa... and raid bots did my versa increase to 11k

[static glacier]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[static glacier]

aggregation sites make a lot of criminal moves when it comes to producing statistics

[rigid fable]

hmm i got it

yea

[nova kelp]

who is "he says"

[static glacier]

e.g just bc 100 people are using a specific piece doesn't mean it's best for you

or the average verse they have being optimal for you

[opal dagger]

If I loot a stuff in 10+ and I catalyst I will have mythic part right ?

[rigid fable]

archon says i mean... sorry ;x

[nova kelp]

probably worth noting that a lot of the people showing on a site like archon are probably wearing sub gear

so high mastery vers

[rigid fable]

oh true

make sense

[static glacier]

also these sites take gear / talents from what people log off with

[round vapor]

If you loot it from the vault which gives you myth from a 10+, yes.

[opal dagger]

But if I just loot something in the dungeon no ?

[rigid fable]

btw i got lily mythic

[golden loom]

no then its hero track

[round vapor]

Pretty certain it drops heroic track gear there still.

[golden loom]

you can only get myth track m+ loot from vault

and deathless tazavesh hard mode

[opal dagger]

Only way to have mythic set piece is MM or m+10 vault then right ?

[stark matrix]

Just use the WA

[rigid fable]

lily mythic simulating better on Fatebound then Deathstalker

ST i mean

[dense cove]

what WA are you referring to?

[round vapor]

Just double-checking, I'm assuming I should grab the So'leah's due to Myth track and I can just eventually farm the Sac, right?

[stark matrix]

The one that tells you when it’s bugged

All you have to do is re-equip

[lethal arrow]

more like take soleahs cuz its myth track and the sacbrood isnt

[nova kelp]

soleahs is also less tragic now that it's a 1hr duration

[round vapor]

Still showing as 30 min on my end.

[stark matrix]

Should be 1hr as of today

They probably didn’t update the tooltip

[nova kelp]

I mean could be either

[nova kelp]

wouldn't be the first time they fucked a fix

[static glacier]

ye, treat it like a 690ish ring

[round vapor]

True.

[stark matrix]

Or they did the assassination treatment

[restive falcon]

myth lily as sin is 6k but sub its 56k
tier 42k sin, 40k sub

its prob lily angle since tier/belt can be farmable

[dense cove]

well i have multiple 4/6 hero rings, wonder if i should just unequip jastor and sim those

[heady oak]

double belts + bracers I'm going to blow up

[static glacier]

yes, thats the play

[round vapor]

So the So'leah's is the way to go then, I take it.

[static glacier]

ive been trying to farm a 2nd hero ring to replace jastor

[long hawk]

would simming hectic add cleave for araz and soulbinder makes sense?

[lethal arrow]

diabolical

[stark matrix]

You can just sim them with jastor as well

Top gear is great

[sullen monolith]

Any thought to close discord chat until they fix assa bugs? :DDDDDDDDD #mean #obviouslyjoke

[dense cove]

can't decide what to pick. antenna is the obvious hero choice for dps, but i feel like i'm going to get the myth/hero version from raid shortly anyways. hate to pass up on a myth track ring even though it's a short-term loss. any thoughts?

[nova kelp]

anything that's even inside of like 10k from jastor, just put it on

[rigid fable]

are you still using season 2 belt?

[stark matrix]

We’re not cringe pink men who didn’t even need the buff

[fallen charm]

closing indefinitely then

[heady oak]

Neither of these sim higher than delve belt even at 723

[rigid fable]

lol

[stark matrix]

The ring is good if you’re going to play sub

[nova kelp]

its hard to get rid of

[stark matrix]

The zealot ring that is

I’d honestly probably take it

[heady oak]

Just remember about 12 people for run will want antenna unless you have prio on your LC don't hold your breath

[fallen charm]

I grabbed the first veteran belt over it, fuck blizzard for denying my engineering enchant

[stark matrix]

Really? My 707 belt already out simmed it

Not by much

But it’s def a gain even if it’s 3k

[heady oak]

I think it's because I have my meta gem in there

[misty holly]

just save up dkp until you can guarantee it.

[nova kelp]

I have a 707 belt

[heady oak]

and didn't fix sim accordingly

[nova kelp]

it doesn't come close

I have to upgrade it 3 times AND add a socket

[rigid fable]

mine says my belt 710 is bettter then delv belt

[heady oak]

Is it the crit mast belt?

[stark matrix]

[rigid fable]

yep

[heady oak]

cause these are vers/mast + Crit/haste

[gritty laurel]

that's because it's a 90s trinket and FB is a 90s tree this patch

[stark matrix]

What kinda fucked stats do you have?

[stark matrix]

Mine is the one off first boss in raid

[nova kelp]

same

I sim at 4.9

[heady oak]

might just take the vers/mast belt incase I learn sub tbh

[nova kelp]

the delve belt absolutely crushes for me

[rigid fable]

FB btw

[dense cedar]

r u actually using charged bolts?

should be using a stat power

[gleaming geyser]

723 lily is a downgrade over my 710 netherprism. Tier helm biggest ugprade

[hexed harbor]

pog

[rigid fable]

yes

[dense cedar]

charged bolts is mega doodoo

[main bridge]

2025
using charged bolts

[nova kelp]

wait

most logs and such SHOW charged bolts

but it's just a DEFAULT

[dense cedar]

wcl doesn't show belt power

[nova kelp]

the belt doesn't change in the armory and shit to the node you use

[rigid fable]

wait what effect should i use then?

[dense cedar]

its bugged or w/e

[rigid fable]

LMAO

[nova kelp]

yeah

if you've been using charged bolts

then that's why your 707 out sims it

[dense cedar]

probably crit or mastery, but jsut sim all the stat ones

[gritty laurel]

you use the crit or mastery stats

[nova kelp]

because bolts is dogshi9t

[stark matrix]

I kinda wanna open my vault as outlaw

[nova kelp]

do it

bet you wont

[stark matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/you-know-i-will-jessay-martin-oldgays-i'm-sure-i-will-you-can-count-on-me-gif-18356844769406724232

[viscid spear]

Unless you get a slow 1h there's no way to prove it

[unkempt pilot]

who needs a dagger when you have it on raid :p

[main bridge]

i don't think weapon speed has mattered for a long time

[nova kelp]

it hasn't mattered literally since like vanilla

weapon normalisation

[viscid spear]

meleeing with a bow

[main bridge]

ok Hawkeye

[rigid fable]

i started play final of season 2 and i didnt get all effects... is there a way to get it?

[nova kelp]

there was a time, back in vanilla, where you could use sinister strike with a big iron fishing pole, and it would one shot tanks
because of the coefficient on ss with the super slow atttack speed on the fishing rod

they fixed that quick smart

[supple hinge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2qDrJRbTH8ZmYgCc?fight=3&type=damage-done&source=28 can someone try and figure out what im doing wrong?

im doing substancially lower damage than i should be acording to logs

[viscid spear]

Could equip a gun and go the Benn Beckman angle

[graceful bane]

Question bout fatebound tier set double dipping until it gets fixed hopefully. Do we just send the second kingsbane the moment is up before coldblood cause of the double dip or wait for coldblood?

[dense cedar]

do the delves they are from

[coral ibex]

cold blood the DM kb

[nova kelp]

this is spuer up in the air, but my call is wait for cb, so that you can liine things up again

the issue is...

[graceful bane]

kk

[clever sparrow]

what are the bis trinkets for us this season?

[nova kelp]

SOMETIMES you'll ALSO get the reduction on dm too

and honestly

if your second dm lines up with your next vanish

like fuck it

go for it

[clever sparrow]

netherpristm and flood?

[fresh hornet]

ITs pretty easy

Nobody is using Ritual Forge cause the 2min cd?

[nova kelp]

nah fuck that

prism is king

[errant jacinth]

would you take heroic netherprism or mythic dagger from vault if you already have crafted weap

[nova kelp]

not many classes after trinket

but like

[cyan dew]

boys on M+ keys of level 10, should I use bleed or hibrid build?

[fresh hornet]

So, between Antenna and Araz, for sure i should take Antenna, Right?

[nova kelp]

dpeends on how yooure getting to it

[errant jacinth]

bleed

[cyan dew]

ty

[main bridge]

i would sim it and take into account how contested the prism is in your raid

[nova kelp]

if you're in an organised raid there's probs very few people after prism

but like

if you pug

fuck that shit, take the prism

every mother fucker and their son will roll on that shit in a pug

[fresh hornet]

i'm going for Antenna

[supple hinge]

what does "chain shift in the last few seconds of kindsbane" mean. like what does chain shift mean

[main bridge]

never heard that phrase before

[nova kelp]

where are you reading that?

[unreal tide]

Chain shiv?

[fresh hornet]

guess you're tryig to say SHIV

[supple hinge]

ohhh that makes sense

some fucking bosnian guide

couldnt tell with the accent

[fresh hornet]

basically, you should use the 2nd shiv in the last 8secs of KB

[frigid lagoon]

isnt that outdated

[coral ibex]

yes

[icy geyser]

@balmy condor please send a letter of intent to blizz devs to fix assa asap

[spring moat]

envenom still desyncs kek

[coral ibex]

you only shiv the end of kingsbane during a non-dm kb with 1 shiv charge

[fresh hornet]

nop, even with the new TS you should wait. At least @balmy condor said that

[coral ibex]

otherwise your shiv should be applied for 100% of deathmark

[nova kelp]

lol are we TRYING to give whispyr an aneurysm?>

[frigid lagoon]

Cast Shiv and Thistle Tea for the last 8 seconds of Deathmark

[gilded oasis]

always

[fresh hornet]

Yeap

[cyan dew]

Boys, since we use Blindside on bleed build we should FoK with 4+ targets?

[viscid spear]

Whispyr uses AI to answer questions now.
He can't be bothered to lower himself to our level anymore.

[golden loom]

Fok on 2+

[fresh hornet]

3+ LOL

[golden loom]

You arent running VV

Oh 3 yeah

Thats what I meant sorry

[golden loom]

For example priory boss you mutilate

[clever sparrow]

where is whispyr paint work about [Astral Antenna] 😄

[cyan dew]

On Whyspir guide it says to add +1 wiith blindside.

[dense cedar]

-1 with thrown

[cyan dew]

It's not with BOTH Precision and Momentum?

[stark matrix]

I'm not tripping right?

[umbral sigil]

It's up to us to carry the mantle

[dense cedar]

does say that but dunno if that's correct rn

[stark matrix]

do we actually want to have all 5 tier pieces?

[cyan dew]

hmmm

[supple hinge]

logically i think we want 4 with no chest right? cuz chest doesnt have crit mast?

[iron carbon]

It means we don't care

[gilded oasis]

just equip what feels good

[iron carbon]

Wich one you got

[dense cedar]

!ok

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[umbral sigil]

there is a crit mastery chest in HoA

[fresh hornet]

but we need to balance the subs

[dense cedar]

guess 4 then yeah

[fallow canopy]

[stark matrix]

I got it out of vault

[umbral sigil]

this will probably be better but...as always...sim it?

i took hero chest for il and 4 set

[dense cove]

I’d antenna simming correct post nerf?

[umbral sigil]

i was mroe responding to it being "bis"

[stark matrix]

brother it was a 3% nerf

[unreal tide]

BIS lists are crap and just sim, its accounting for having all of the other items on the list so just Sim, guide says chest it the worst stated tier piece

[stark matrix]

it's literally nothing

[dense cedar]

no

[gray hazel]

interesting. prob take mythic piece for tier or dagger

[umbral sigil]

that trinket will be difficult to get tbh

[gray hazel]

How much better would forge be compared to prisim

[dense cove]

3% isn’t nothing lol

[gray hazel]

i do have a hero prisim

[stark matrix]

it basically is. take .3% off of this

[hollow fulcrum]

take forge and you have a better tirnket for keys

thats my opinion

[umbral sigil]

the raid trinkets are just about EVERYONEs bis. Id rather pass on gear thats better right now for one but thats just me

[gray hazel]

Forge thet much better for keys?

[stark matrix]

congrats still well ahead of the next best trinket

[dense cedar]

prism v good in keys

[gray hazel]

Time to sim everything i guess lol

[nova kelp]

prism is insane in keys

[unreal tide]

Litterally always

[hollow fulcrum]

wait so we should just run prism for everything?

[twin hull]

HELP PLis

[umbral sigil]

forge lines up with cooldowns in DS

[nova kelp]

I do

[clever sparrow]

nah found it in here

[nova kelp]

I would always run prism in keys over forge

[supple hinge]

im actually so confused what im doing wrong, i've literally had perfect fights acording to wow analyzer but i get green logs, what am i missing?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2qDrJRbTH8ZmYgCc?fight=3&type=damage-done

[nova kelp]

get that shit to 18 stacks, pop it on a big pull

absollutely shred

[hollow fulcrum]

i took forge just cuz out of all the times ive ran eco dome i havent gotten a single lilly drop and i also havent gotten a prism drop

[supple hinge]

how much does fatebound luck play into our damage roughly

like can i be 10% less if i get unlucky

[merry juniper]

ok so something is not right.... 6/6 mythic Anub Crystal is siming less than 6/6 hero peacemaker, and is asking me to take the legs, dungeon slice ....

[supple hinge]

thats the only thing i can think of

[harsh violet]

a link with 3 rogues?

[supple hinge]

oh mb

im rue

[lusty kraken]

Did they fix anything this reset?

[umbral sigil]

bro has three rogues

[gray hazel]

prisim does as well

[supple hinge]

yeh im actually multiboxing

[unreal tide]

Which of the 3 rogues is you?

[nova kelp]

you don't really need to line prism up with dm in keys save for bosses

dm barely does jack shit in big aoe

[supple hinge]

rue

[nova kelp]

just hit the prism on its own

[umbral sigil]

ok he was asking about forge though

ah in comparison to prism. foot in mouth disregard

[unreal tide]

Ur shivs are bad at the end of the fight at the very minimum

[fossil sand]

Myth Pacemaker or Myth Sacbrood

[cyan dew]

I should always Prioritize DN > Garrote > rup > CT on finishers?

[umbral sigil]

looking at logs on phone makes me vomit

[unreal tide]

Same but bored and required office day

[dense cedar]

why vanish here

[supple hinge]

i have absolutely no idea why that could be going off then

[dense cedar]

u also kidney shot?

[supple hinge]

its meant to be in the kingsbane macro

[supple hinge]

that was misinput, but im missing like 15% damage that can't just be it

[umbral sigil]

i mean

[nova kelp]

kidney? fuck it, limit testing, one day there'll be a boss you can kidney and most of us just never tried

[unreal tide]

Get ur CDs fixed and should see major gains fast

[mint urchin]

Bad shiv placement could be

[umbral sigil]

its up to us to find it

[supple hinge]

in what way, what should i be waiting with

[rigid fable]

you guys still using the jastor ring and belt delv?

[unreal tide]

Dry shiv, get ur shivs in DM in second DM, get vanish in the right spot

[supple hinge]

i save energy 5 secs before KB, DM before KB when its up and time shivs for KB too. any of that wrong?

[thick sable]

You're also supposed to be using Shiv before DM + KB now

Shiv > DM > KB

[umbral sigil]

for ST with 4 set ^

[thick sable]

Your first shiv is almost 5 sec after DM

[supple hinge]

ok noted

should you ever be shiving when KB isnt up? or is it always worth saving with 4 set

[dense cedar]

you also seemed to not be pressing ur buttons at all?

you only used tea twice?

[marsh fjord]

no

[dense cedar]

despite having 3 at the start of the fight

[unreal tide]

Dry shiv, yes

[nova kelp]

FB?

no

[supple hinge]

i got a no and a yes from that

[unreal tide]

Ohh good point

[nova kelp]

no you don't dry shiv with fb

[supple hinge]

so never dry shiv?

[nova kelp]

not with fb

[thick sable]

Not with FB

[nova kelp]

you won't have enough shivs

[unreal tide]

I'm wrong there for FB

[thick sable]

Shiv > DM > KB and then the 2nd shiv for the last 7 sec of KB

[supple hinge]

so i pop that when the buff goes out for extra mastery in opener? i was saving that for extra energy

[spice surge]

Well the reason you dry shiv is lingering darkness

Which is a deathstalker talent

[thick sable]

Then KB comes off CD, you use KB and shiv the last 7 sec

[spice surge]

So without that

Why would you

[thick sable]

Then you have 2 again for DM + KB

[dense cedar]

not really about saving it

[nova kelp]

^

[dense cedar]

but how do u not bottom out of energy 3 times at least in the fight

[unreal tide]

Use 2nd shiv after first shiv, want 100% coverage of DM.

[agile osprey]

shouldnt second shiv here be as the first is expiring?

oh we doubled up my b

[dense cedar]

oh

@supple hinge

my mistake

just cast error

auto proc not tracking corrctly

[supple hinge]

from what everyones told me thats intentional, you have moments where you sit and do nothing so you got energy for KB

[cyan dew]

On AoE, should I apply caustic before CT?

[boreal mist]

i thought second shiv is for last 7 secs of dm not kb, or is it kb

[nova kelp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne7fbb9c-BU

[rigid fable]

raidbots gime a best option that makes my mastery DR it D:

[unreal tide]

You want 100% DM coverage, when KB outside DM cover last 8 sec

[umbral sigil]

KB, vanish is used in the last 8 sec of DM if i remember correctly?

[boreal mist]

what does vanishing do exactly?

[balmy condor]

Okay and?

[dense cedar]

were u also not given battle shout by your warrrior??

[rigid fable]

its ok? D:

[balmy condor]

Yeah? Who gives a fuck about DR

[nova kelp]

who did it, who summoned angry whispyr

[rigid fable]

aight

[dense cedar]

you're losing a nice chunk of damage here but have no battle shout or mark also

[balmy condor]

Yeah delete that addon lmao

[umbral sigil]

Fuck whispyrs here i gotta stop acting like i actually know anything

[balmy condor]

Absolutely useless info just to scare you into thinking shit matters

[rigid fable]

ok xD

[boreal mist]

oh fuck its whispyr time to ask about bugs

[normal mist]

in what situation

[cyan dew]

On AoE, should I apply caustic before CT?

[spice surge]

Rare Dr. Atnos L recommending this addon

[umbral sigil]

i was gonna make a joke about gooning to whispyrs sin explanation videos earlier. Im glad i waited

[sturdy mesa]

Whispyr men when fix bugs

[balmy condor]

Rare?

[umbral sigil]

odd lull in chat

[dense cedar]

[umbral sigil]

that made me uncomfortable

[spice surge]

Bro about to slander atnos

[balmy condor]

Honestly after realizing people pull me up on their smart TV and use my videos as white noise to sleep, this doesn’t even phase me anymore

[short pine]

yeah i recall it being like a .5% more dmg minmax

[balmy condor]

Being a content creator is so strange

[short pine]

not moments but if ur missing energy i believe u can pool a little before kb

[unkempt pilot]

it helps to assimile things

[umbral sigil]

time to start an ASMR channel

[unkempt pilot]

training while sleeping is the hidden perk of human

[umbral sigil]

be careful, might start shivving coworkers on a freudian slip

[fallen arch]

No

[sharp glen]

mythic track idol or heroic antenna? (already have mythic track lily)

[dense cedar]

idol stinky poo

[short pine]

antenna

[umbral sigil]

get that idol out of my face

how dare you

in front of my salad

[jade saddle]

I’m still a little confused about shiv now, should I be casting outside of deathmark ?

[dense cedar]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Well deathmark is a 2 min cd

Shiv is 30 seconds with 2 stacks

If you don’t cast shiv outside of deathmark you’ll overcap right

Wasting cooldowns bad

[nova kelp]

bro all these peeps like "hey, should I take antenna or... (insert random bullshit here)"

I'm going to shiv a puppy I swear

[jade saddle]

Yeah 😅 ok I just wanted to make sure

[short pine]

i dont see why you wouldnt take antenna there...

[dense cedar]

@supple hinge was this a pug btw?

[umbral sigil]

dry shiv?

[weary stump]

I'm just hearing we bug deathnark out more so it's a 10 second cool down instead of 2min

[dense cove]

@balmy condor any input on if my jastor still sims well should I use it and just re-equip? Or should I just use my next best simming hero ring from this season?

[balmy condor]

Shiv’ing a puppy truly might be the Darkest night

[gray raven]

any hotfixes today?

[umbral sigil]

you could say its the hand of fate to place on deathmark on the one who does it

[weary stump]

Shiv puppy, say I'm Batman immediately after

[nova kelp]

I could take batman - I'd be worried about john though

[gray hazel]

Forge over prisim is a huge loss lmao

[nova kelp]

baba yaga out for revengeance

[umbral sigil]

would that Mean Streak be an Edge Case?

[weary stump]

Nono it's simply because you are now the darkest night

[balmy condor]

If re-equipping works for you then sure, fuck it I guess. I vendored mine after re-equipping like 40 times and relogging and changing specs and it just never coming back

[umbral sigil]

I might have to brew a Fatal Concoction and do a Double Jeopardy

ok im done

[nova kelp]

prism is the way

[balmy condor]

2 min trinket not being good on a 1:30 timer? Yeah that’s reasonable

[nova kelp]

prism is the monolith

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-chess-win-gif-17584376170894933930

[nova kelp]

all bow to the monolith

[umbral sigil]

[lethal arrow]

U on sub this week?

[balmy condor]

No

[coral ibex]

no runed achieve until i get rid of this fuckass belt

madge

[gusty mirage]

I appreciate a good pun

[umbral sigil]

look at his discord clan tag

[vale fox]

guys i finally got 4pc and i wanted to ask

[umbral sigil]

Whispyr never subs

[balmy condor]

🤝

[nova kelp]

I don't think I've ever seen someone ask whispyr if he's playing sub before...

[dense cove]

@balmy condor one more question. I’m in a CE guild, antenna will be somewhat contested but I probably be top 3 to get it. Think I should take a heroic track antenna or myth track zealots ring? Antenna is a 30k dps upgrade on sim but I hate to pass up a myth track item when I could get from raid soon. I’m so torn lol

[vale fox]

do we get a dry shiv now in between our KB go

[gusty mirage]

Mfer out here twinking it up pretending he isn’t a sub smh

[lethal arrow]

Only cuz our spec is bugged asf

[balmy condor]

Are you simming like 10-15% miss on antenna or are you simming 0% miss

[lethal arrow]

Otherwise I'd never ask

[balmy condor]

Where would you be getting lingering darkness from exactly?

[lethal arrow]

What's the prog looking like

[nova kelp]

dude I keep saying to guildies about the miss deal on antenna
and they're like "nah I adadad spam, i'll be 100%"

[weary stump]

It's only bugged if you think about them as bugs and not terrible features

[dense cove]

I’m not sure, I’m going to guess 0% since I didn’t change anything in the sim. We’re 3/8m

[lethal arrow]

Antenna in myth track can come from vault the moment u kill soulbinder

[weary stump]

Shiv is simply supposed to disable momentum

[red schooner]

The sims demand further crit, never enough

[balmy condor]

Yeah sim it with like 10-15%

Probably loses a lot of value

And then you’ll feel better

[royal lantern]

talking about antenna

how much DOOOOOOOOM is the nerfs

[nova kelp]

what if though, I'm the perfect player

[royal lantern]

dead or ulra dead

[nova kelp]

I never missed a single witherbark branch orb

[red schooner]

same

[nova kelp]

luls

[red schooner]

can't miss an orb if you never get the antenna

smart

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/tkt-smart-gif-20642718

[umbral sigil]

1 million IQ

[dense cove]

Is that because of the nerfs from yesterday?

[gusty mirage]

Everyone point and laugh at tryan’s typo AFTER editing

[balmy condor]

It’s like -0.2% on a trinket that’s 10% on myth track

[royal lantern]

antenna in dawnbreaker is funny, the orbs just break

[balmy condor]

No, that’s just because you can miss the orb and you should sim a realistic amount of missing the orb

[royal lantern]

my keyboard is kinda broken ok, dont bully

T sometimes doesnt register

[gray hazel]

better on DS

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

I luv u

[weary stump]

Dawnbreaker is the breaker of systems because every time you run the dungeon something new breaks for you

[gray hazel]

but everything else was more comparable on a mythic level, so prob just get a tier

[royal lantern]

deadge, gotcha, time for a angry forum post

[nova kelp]

bro so long as I don't fall through the boats, I'm happy as fuck

[balmy condor]

2 min trinket good on a 2:00 timer? Yeah that’s reasonable

[dense cove]

Makes perfect sense, thanks for the help

[weary stump]

I love flying onto the first side boat dismounting and flinging myself into the void, just as xalatath planned

[red schooner]

Been granted immunity from tangles on loomithar, I'm safe

we pure single target boys

[stark matrix]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cDn1C2GELRK7xft7QwaT2M

[loud light]

living the dream

[balmy condor]

How are you dismounting if you fly through the boat

[umbral sigil]

I didnt ask permission

[gray hazel]

ha yeah, was mainly just comparing it to prisim.

[balmy condor]

Are you just

Auto dismounting?

[wispy steeple]

My Brother's in bleeds i need your help!
Simmed multiple times in both Raid and M+ target values.

M+ Sim says to take incorp Claw..
Raid Sim says to take Sacbrood ( which is a A tier Trink)

I was leaning toward Myth track Shoulders and not simming to the crit Mast

part of me also thinks to take the Hero Prism.

any input ?

[wanton spear]

just glad we don't have pets, i swear my buddy who plays hunter crashes out everytime we try to do dawnbreaker, his pets just don't bother getting on the boat lol

[stark matrix]

see 707 belt is basically a wash

[red schooner]

I gotta sandbag one raid by hitting adds every tier so the raid leader remembers that, yeah, me and add swapping, bad plan

I paid my dues

now to tunnel

[weary stump]

You can hit dismount as your funny mount lands into the boat and it'll clip you through the boat if you're too quick

[timber pawn]

MOP Classic getting hotfixes while we broken is wild

[balmy condor]

I’d personally take sac or warp claw cause Jesus Christ the double on use is so painfully shit

[balmy condor]

I see

[weary stump]

It's as blizzard intended really

[golden loom]

Yeah gotta let the mount touch the floor

[desert vault]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[golden loom]

Or you go through it sometimes

[wispy steeple]

agreed

[vale fox]

fatebound ST?

[rigid fable]

how much mastery your assasin have? @balmy condor

[normal mist]

xD

[frosty talon]

hey guys, how good is Cursed Stone Idol for M+ content?

[normal mist]

that's kinda hard

really hard actually

[balmy condor]

Lingering darkness is a deathstalker talent bud

[red schooner]

We don't get lingering in fatebound

[vale fox]

exactly my point

[young pebble]

What would you guys do in my situation? We won't be pushing mythic raid for a while, so I'm torn between Ritual or mythic Technique...

[balmy condor]

No fucking clue

[vale fox]

im just saying do we need or do we do a dry shiv in this build?

[balmy condor]

No, that’s exactly my point

[vale fox]

at all with 4 piece?

[balmy condor]

No

There’s nothing to dry shiv

[vale fox]

bro you wanna answer a question answer it

[red schooner]

Nah. 2 x shiv with deathmark, 1 x shiv end of kingsbane

rinse and repeat

[vale fox]

but miss me with your fcking rethoric

[balmy condor]

Dry shiv only exists cause of lingering + darkest

[vale fox]

i need explanations

[balmy condor]

You have neither

[normal mist]

you only dry shiv with lingering darkness

[vale fox]

not riddles

[vale fox]

thank you

[balmy condor]

It’s not a riddle I’m confused what the question is cause you don’t understand why we dry shiv

[royal lantern]

happend to me 2x just when i was landing

another time we had a shaman use his knockup for a interupt, and one add just stayed in the air and flew away, which kept us in combat and we could not mount anymore, key bricked

[wanton spear]

I don't think he knows what a dry shiv actually is...

[red schooner]

Good dungeon, glad we voted it back in for some reason

[normal mist]

Understanding why we do things has so much more power than copying what we're supposed to do

[balmy condor]

Bro asks if we make orange juice out of apples and I ask how he thinks that’s going to work

And then I’m the fucking riddler

[weary stump]

I had that add issue happen but the tank sacced himself and somehow magically we were out of combat

[balmy condor]

Insane work

[weak plover]

This has happened to me at least twice. its so funny when it happens because nobody believes.

[royal lantern]

Dawnbreaker, the dungeon that needs a Bloodsacrifice to function

[real pike]

just don't take it yet

[nova kelp]

idk
the first it even gets up with it for me is at 714

[wanton spear]

i think my favorite dawnbreaker bug was doing a 15 last season, and rash just decided not to land, and flew around until the key timed out

[golden loom]

I hecking love rashanan

[red schooner]

he was vibing, let him chill

[wanton spear]

s1 not last season lol

[weary stump]

The air traffic controller needs to permit them to land okay

[wanton spear]

i bet the rets who closed the discord are the ones that voted for dawnbreaker

[royal lantern]

its a great dungeon because everyone has their own story about interesting bugs in it

[weak plover]

Orange juice often does have apple juice in it though O.O

[weary stump]

I hate that you're right

[wanton spear]

concentrated orange juice is not real orange juice...

[balmy condor]

What kind of fuckass orange juice are you drinking

[weak plover]

Look it up boi

[wanton spear]

any pre made orange juice that says from concetrate just about has some apple juice in it

[waxen oyster]

Honestly

Premade OJ is kind of nasty

[balmy condor]

okay fuck it then he’s asking me to make grape juice with a pomegranate

You nerds

[waxen oyster]

Idk assa is just

[weary stump]

A lot of brands swapped to calling themselves concentrate in small text and the ingredients has stupid amounts of apple juice, this is also true for all of those like mixed fruit drinks

[waxen oyster]

equip ilvl usually

and people manage to complicate it sm

[nova kelp]

no but, if I use these legs and this shoulder, but cata my chest
then I go from 36 crit 11 haste 66 mast
to 33 crit 9 haste and 72 mast

like

what's better

[stark matrix]

What weapon enchants are you running?

[nova kelp]

council still atm

[weak plover]

Secondary stats dont matter right. just slam ilvl?

[stark matrix]

Hmm

Weird

[wanton spear]

I mean i'm playing sub and assa so i slammed a high nerub this morning from vault, since my only other options were d tier trinkets

[stark matrix]

Gearing doing gearing things

[nova kelp]

to be perfectly fair and honest though

I haven't resimmed weapon enchants again for a bit

I really kinda

just don't give a shit

[stark matrix]

Real and true

[nova kelp]

I put on my shit, I enchant it, and I press buttons

[clever sparrow]

my wow head decided not to open
we run caustic on salhadar or not?

[weary stump]

Sometimes you even gem them

[waxen oyster]

I put my vault in raidbots

it does the thinking for me

[nova kelp]

bro

is that a JASTORS

honestly

DON'T YOU KNOW!?!?!

[waxen oyster]

Yeah i just got a other hero ring

like 10 minutes ago

done with runed

was waiting for a ring from a key to slam it to 704

[clever sparrow]

WHY RUNNING CAUSTIC IN SALHADAR?

[waxen oyster]

Because theres the boss and the dragon

[merry juniper]

we should shiv+tea before DM now right? with 4 pc

[red schooner]

Because adds and dragon

[warm vortex]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[clever sparrow]

HMM

[wanton spear]

caustic does work on saladbar

[waxen oyster]

im so close to 5m patchwerk sim

[nova kelp]

just gear a monk

and sim like 14 mill or some shit

[waxen oyster]

i need soulhunters boots

[nova kelp]

mate

same

[waxen oyster]

warrior got them his first normal

[nova kelp]

I did my first lfr boss on my evoker just before

rolled a 99 on boots

and won

dogshit alt

[inland hinge]

can i play sin in keys again or is it still super buggy

[nova kelp]

you always could

[serene solar]

It was buggy and still doing great damage lol

[nova kelp]

I'm still pulling like 7mill or w/e in keys

more

[inland hinge]

damn content creators dooming on me saying bugs made it unplayable lol

[nova kelp]

like we're bugged, we're not useless

content creators and streamers tend to be very... overly expressive

[coral ibex]

but streamertank_ttv told me that assa is bugged for -20% damage!!!

[thorny swift]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[inland hinge]

I mean, in all fairness it was Whispyr and they said like 30-40% aoe loss

[nova kelp]

we do lose

[serene solar]

I got prism from vault. So we just macro it to vanish? /cast vanish /use 13 or whatever? Or just macro to deathmark and not worry about it?

[coral ibex]

meanwhile in my bugged state ive yet to encounter a dps with equal ilvl that beats me on overall

[waxen oyster]

@balmy condor confirm?

[nova kelp]

but a loss on a fuck load isn't like OH NO

[coral ibex]

[round fjord]

Is idol bait for us?
Sim is giving me 450k dps on aoe for it.
90k for boots.
150 for sacbrood.

[inland hinge]

YT video titled "Assassination Rogue Is COMPLETELY Bugged in War Within Season 3"

[waxen oyster]

well it is bugged yes

Idk i have better things to do than watch wow on youtube

[inland hinge]

ok mr big shot

[nova kelp]

I mean, he also has a whole pin about "bonus crashout"

lol

[inland hinge]

chilling in a class discord but too good for yt videos

[nova kelp]

man was mid crashout

[unborn rain]

my gf she goes to another school core

[nova kelp]

give him some grace

[waxen oyster]

becase most youtube creators are lfr andys

[light grove]

Do we have to go sub or assa is still top ?

[warm vortex]

Can't belive you'll call whispyr that

[waxen oyster]

most are

[red schooner]

we're fine

[young pebble]

Yeah Whispyr mega LFR andy for sure

[waxen oyster]

bellular

[balmy condor]

Where the fuck did I say that

[waxen oyster]

marcelian

jedith

[coral ibex]

30-40% aoe loss

[inland hinge]

maybe i misunderstood you, you say the one talent doesnt work and its 30% of our aoe dmg

[coral ibex]

we're doing s1 damage now

[hearty coral]

anyone has a darkest night weak aura with sound? thanks

[waxen oyster]

damn singular is 30% of our damage?

[keen spruce]

[waxen oyster]

whats the tech

[short pine]

im assuming there was no fixes because just had the buggiest fight w fatebound

[nova kelp]

mate if we REALLY had a bug hitting us for 30-40%
we might as well just call bolas for help

[balmy condor]

I’ve been fighting against the Kira video saying that the bugs are 15% when they’re not

[coral ibex]

nico bolas?

[balmy condor]

And now apparently I said it was 30%

I’m gonna fucking kms

[nova kelp]

WHISPYR WHYD YOU TELL ME IT WAS 80%!?
I got sat from raid now!

[coral ibex]

let the fotm andys reroll off assa

who cares

[balmy condor]

Let me go find the thing

[coral ibex]

if kira's word is bond then they can just reroll

[spice surge]

Theyre bleeding over into sub

Can you take em back pls

[grave osprey]

Ong whispyr said it was 40%!!

[coral ibex]

they'll just give up when faced with sub's even worse bugs

[balmy condor]

And then you have 5% from momentum

But you just take follow the blood

So that’s 0%

[nova kelp]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HEY NOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T USE RECEIPTS THATS CHEATING

THEY DIDN'T DO THAT

[balmy condor]

But people go oh 5 and 5 and 5

Is 15

Which is not true

[inland hinge]

Maybe you meant the one talent is that % of the aoe dmg but its bugged and doesnt lose the full amount? Idk Id have to re-watch, normally my comprehension is not that bad xd

[keen spruce]

yeah but 5x5 is 25% + the 5% from momentum so that's 30%

[coral ibex]

5+5+5=15

[keen spruce]

[serene solar]

5x5x5 is 125%... so that is the real nerf /s

[nova kelp]

lol

[ancient pasture]

what exactly is it that makes fatebound so bad for m+?

[nova kelp]

5% PLUS 5%

[coral ibex]

it nerfs itself

[nova kelp]

I'm

[balmy condor]

I have no idea where I would get 30% from

[nova kelp]

oh shit

[inland hinge]

idk im sorry for misquoting you

[ancient pasture]

see thats not very specifc, id love more info

[pulsar elk]

After i craft my dagger, should i be crafting my wrist afterwards

[coral ibex]

read your talents

[nova kelp]

listen if you AVERAGE out 5%, 5% and 5%, it's 5%

[balmy condor]

No aoe talents on the tree and the ones that are Aoe talent end up being “reduce this with more targets”

[coral ibex]

you'll get more info

[royal lantern]

can you not banish them into outlaw pls

[serene solar]

What is the damage difference between prism on DM and prism as a 3min

[balmy condor]

0.6

[serene solar]

Thanks ❤️

[spice surge]

I do not possess such power im afraid

[nova kelp]

noone wants to be banished to outlaw

they're all millenials

their wrists are frail

[royal lantern]

just do the ussual sub thing

gaslighting everyone into thinking sub is weak

(its a joke)

[balmy condor]

What if instead of !ban and !mute we made !move

And all it does is move them to a channel

And hide the others

[royal lantern]

#pvp ?

[spice surge]

50% of people will think theyre banned from those channels

[balmy condor]

Someone says some dumb shit

[spice surge]

Because showing them again requires a click

So thats very hard

[balmy condor]

That’s it buddy you’re going to #venezuela

[marsh fjord]

@balmy condor On fract mythic would it be better to use a pot on lust or a pot with fully stacked netherprism in execute + vanish/DM/KB

[nova kelp]

suddenly everyone stopped typing lol

[coral ibex]

jokes on you i'm already living in #amerizuela

[round fjord]

Any scenario where Cursed Idol could be decent? m+

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/crane-brazil-grab-poor-car-gif-17372636

[spice surge]

Partly a joke and partly true, i often end up overhyping it instead but some other regulars here definitely do

[balmy condor]

If you only get one pot, the execute for sure