assassination

[elfin flame]

ok but my astral antenna is bigger than urs

[balmy condor]

proof?

[midnight mist]

ye no way in hell

[balmy condor]

Send a log with measurements

Length and circumference

Measured from base of antenna

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/karinca-gif-11639745

i showed you my antenna pls respond

[balmy condor]

But always remember, when you measure it’s gonna be from underneath

You get like an extra 2cm that way

Measuring from the top is just demoralizing

[ebon prism]

Kira put a quick clip up saying sin got 15% nerf. Would that possibly put sub higher for m+ than sin?

[balmy condor]

Oh no

[buoyant herald]

ah the culprit

[haughty flicker]

i cant believe assa got a 20% nerf

its over

[balmy condor]

Is that where the 15% number came from

[ashen totem]

the 25% nerf is insane

[ebon prism]

Yep lol

[ashen totem]

cant believe we got nerfed by 30%

[balmy condor]

Unlucky

[hot hill]

The 50% nerf is insane! wait..what?

[warm flint]

unbelievable they are nerfing us %60 feels just dumb

[balmy condor]

Realistically it was 5% from caustic that was an actual bug that they fixed, which is good, accurate game is better

Then it’s another 5%ish from singular focus being bugged or whatever

[hot hill]

better close the discord.

[balmy condor]

Which is an actual 5%

And the other 5-6% is from momentum being bugged

But you take follow the blood instead

So that’s not really dps you lost

[midnight mist]

imma be honest

[quaint spindle]

I heard assa is being removed today is that true chat

[midnight mist]

if blizzard wanted to do good assa nerfs

[balmy condor]

That’s just theoretically dps you could’ve lost had you talented into something that you didn’t talent into

[midnight mist]

which were prolly needed

they wouldnt have done it beter

precisely targeting pure aoe and funnel

is incredible work

no impact on st !

holy shmokerino

[balmy condor]

Yah but now deathstalker is just mid aoe, no niche, and also no st

[midnight mist]

ok calm down

[ebon prism]

Oh

Wait that sounds terrible but I still enjoy sin rogue

[red schooner]

Fatebound in raids is chill at least

[midnight mist]

Outlaw does the same st as assa in keys, less AOE and 0 prio

[red schooner]

Just zone out, stab boss

[midnight mist]

What about that cuh

[ebon prism]

Who cares about outlaw? They don't even use 2 daggers. How about swapping sub for all keys while sin is bugged out the ass?

[ashen totem]

you also do the same rotation no matter whats in front of you. + you lost acro, so outlaw can rot

[midnight mist]

also idk how a 5% aoe nerf can be mid aoe when assa was like

[red schooner]

People play outlaw?

[balmy condor]

Like we went from fatebound zdps in aoe and giga st, and deathstalker having shit st but you have funnel and giga aoe

To now Fatebound is still shit aoe, giga st, but deathstalker is shit st and no funnel and like, decent enough aoe

[midnight mist]

the absolute best spec in the game before

[balmy condor]

Yes, buff outlaw

These two things can both exist

[midnight mist]

ok but

no way assa is bad

after that

or

it was so good before

like it needed a nerf good

not just good good

[balmy condor]

I mean it removed like a good 50-60% of its funnel

Which was kinda massive

[midnight mist]

taht much

okok

tbf

[balmy condor]

And a big reason why it was really giga

[midnight mist]

assa funnel

was a bit

idk

[west crown]

It’s definitely not bad. I’m still doing like 7 overall. Funnel gone sucks and it’s noticeable

[midnight mist]

you remember in sl

when sub did funnel

[ebon prism]

Wait is that why I lose in prio damage to arcane mages now?

[midnight mist]

and did 0 aoe in return

[balmy condor]

Also don’t let this distract you from the real enemy

[red schooner]

The mages

[midnight mist]

to me funnel always should come as a cost

[balmy condor]

Arcane has more funnel and also more execute than assa

[haughty flicker]

wizards

[maiden sierra]

Yeah the funnel being gone is rough, but in reality it doesnt really matter until like 14s where funnel is really needed

[little magnet]

is it time to reroll ?

[red schooner]

Its always the mages

[haughty flicker]

i hate wizards

[midnight mist]

i find it so strange that funnel is just free now

[red schooner]

Bastard wizards

[balmy condor]

Have you looked at p2 loomithar damage

Arcane execute is actually unethical

[ebon prism]

I'm gearing my arcane mage already. I did a 10 key today so u can say I'm getting kinda huge

[cunning needle]

i remember funneling into the goldems in HoA and still doing less damage than the warlock spamming RoF into them

[midnight mist]

ye

well

wl was op

but thats not really my point

[ebon prism]

Does anyone know if the play for high keys is to swap sub then while sin is buggy?

[midnight mist]

funnel used to cost aoe

[cunning needle]

warlocks and mages are the real enemy here

[charred obsidian]

assa is the king of prio

[midnight mist]

now every spec in the game funnel for free while doing their aoe

which is weird

[lapis veldt]

Yes

[grim jay]

Its funny to me how blizz didnt and still doesnt like the sub funnel from shuriken combo back then but now there are multiple funnel specs

[ebon prism]

Good cuz I had too much vers gear sitting in my bags. I'm about to go ham on sub

[cunning needle]

oh yeah you right

no opportunity cost

[haughty flicker]

i'd be fine with funnel costing aoe if the st also wasnt dookie

[west crown]

It matters when you are carrying every key

[midnight mist]

remember when in df when prolly the r1 argument agaisnt outlaw being good was that outlaw damage profile is too op cause it does st damage while aoing

[haughty flicker]

it makes sense that you would have to choose between doing aoe or doing good funnel

[midnight mist]

look at the game now

how times have changed

[ebon prism]

Arcane is actually insane now. All u do is run your ST rotation in keys and top meters for overall and destroying the prio targets. They literally took our job and did it way better

[haughty flicker]

they way they've implemented funnel nowadays is just a lot of "hit nearby targets and your target takes more damage"

[bleak prairie]

if tank doesnt pull adds on a boss with bleed build our st damage is really bad right? or am i just awful at playing assa xd?

[haughty flicker]

which is kinda weird

[balmy condor]

Well that’s the thing Zac, I’ve been bitching about this for years

Once a spec gets everything they want with no downside, blizzard has to either admit it’s too good, or make everything also have that. That was like the original mage problem in the god comp with Aug release. They were both tanky and mobile, st and aoe, their talents barely changed between raid and m+ cause they just got everything for free. Then ret rework same thing, assa rework with caustic, same thing, now everyone has everything and you just play the thing that does biggest number, which makes it REALLY hard to tune for blizzard.

If specs had their own niche, the tuning wouldn’t need to be so damn tight

[midnight mist]

im honestly not even sure i know of any spec htat doesnt funnel outside of outalw and sub

[golden loom]

fury?

[midnight mist]

mabye

i been playing with arms for a bit

and they funnel

[little magnet]

What even is funnel in wow? I found this: “a tube or pipe that is wide at the top and narrow at the bottom, used for guiding liquid or powder into a small opening”. Pretty sure my rogue is not guiding any powder anywhere in my rotation…

[grim jay]

Yeah but isnt it still arguably better on outlaw than on specs that recently got that kind of profile? Just the target cap being kinda holding it back

[midnight mist]

mabye fury doesnt

[balmy condor]

If specs had a niche you’d also see a lot more comps in m+ lowkey

[midnight mist]

wdym

[ebon prism]

Could be if you were sub

[balmy condor]

Like the “god comp” in a streets key would be different from a “god comp” in halls or whatever

[midnight mist]

ye i guess

[balmy condor]

Much more interesting meta

Than just like

[cunning needle]

boomkin?

[balmy condor]

Same 5 spec do all the thing the best

[grim jay]

The St + flurry damage on a per target basis

[haughty flicker]

sub and assa both use powder therefore funnel

[balmy condor]

Just run those 5

[midnight mist]

idk outlaw even loses st in aoe now

im one of the worse prio target in teh game

[little magnet]

What powder, link to vendor pls…

[pearl dove]

hi all, quick question. ive never played assa before and trying to learn a little. every guide says i need to be maintaining garotte and rupture at all times but nowhere explains (for m+) if i need to be tab targetting to apply both these bleeds to targets or is that not neccessary and i just need it on the main target?

[midnight mist]

so idk waht you mean exactly

[balmy condor]

You want to spread ruptures for scent of blood and energy

Venomous wounds is like 80-90% of your energy in aoe

[ebon prism]

Damn this guy didnt hear about the 60% nerf to sin rogue. Someone needs to tell him

[haughty flicker]

i heard it was 80%

from a streamer

[grim jay]

I have no clue what outlaw is playing rn, but isnt that only with fb or is there something else making you lose St?

[midnight mist]

but also cause of outlaw st being tuned so incredibly low with m+ build, going from fatebound raid to m+ build we lose about 25% st

[hot hill]

StreamerChad123 said 85%

[pearl dove]

honetly im not going to main this just like learning new specs. give me a break 😄

[midnight mist]

killing spree is randiom targeting kekw

[buoyant herald]

KS

[midnight mist]

15% of your damage btw

[grim jay]

Oh the beloved button

[scarlet orbit]

The old ks did just work with bf right?

[midnight mist]

ye

well

in sl old ks was also random targeting but it cleaved at 100%

so didnt matter

in df it got changed to be only on your target but do nroaml bf damage

and now we are back to random targeting but thy forgot to adjust the cleave to be 100% again

so its just random targeting you lose the damage gg

[haughty flicker]

i agree

nerf wizards

[maiden sierra]

I think the problem here lies more in the people youre playing with and not the bug

We very much have the damage to be top dps in every key

Source: 13 floodgate i did with my guildies

[west crown]

You can say it’s the people I do keys with. But the wow community as a whole is pretty bad at the game.

[flint escarp]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[maiden sierra]

I agree

[flint escarp]

is basically everyone playing bleed in m+?

or do we have hybrid enjoyers in the chat

[maiden sierra]

Yes

[west crown]

Hybrid is not fun with bugs right now

[flint escarp]

i keep hearing about these bugs

[west crown]

Bleed better anyway

[haughty flicker]

hybrid is not fun

[flint escarp]

do they only concern 4 set?

[west crown]

Not at all. Check pins

[summer cape]

Can we close our discord server aswel?

[maiden sierra]

Its so joever

[west crown]

Should spam post the Forge logs

[dapper halo]

guess i dont have to fear nerfs anymore

[bleak prairie]

could someone give me a quick TLDR of the bleed build rotation in pure st? I feel like something isnt right even though there isnt much to fuck up, but my damage is way below others

[maiden sierra]

Cant wait for the Izen video about this

[west crown]

Prio crimson tempest over envenom. Easy

[final star]

Guess my coins hate me

[west crown]

Darkest night envenom is still higher

[sharp junco]

what is this

[bleak prairie]

so only envenom with darkest night? i just dump my combo points into tempest?

[west crown]

No

Crimson tempest is a bleed. You play for uptime like rupture

[summer cape]

Nothing to be really worried about, it's dps rankings for raid week2

[maiden sierra]

You spread your bleeds, then st on caustic and mark target

[bleak prairie]

yeah ok I had that, had me confused for second there. But I just feel like my damage is super low (sometimes barely 2 mill/2.2 mill) even though im maintaining bleeds and then using envenom

[sharp junco]

in single target or aoe?

[bleak prairie]

st

[sharp junco]

welcome to assa

[bleak prairie]

so unless tank pulls adds into boss we just settle with being a wet noodle in pure st in keys?

also since i play mostly with pugs, do I hold my vanish for possible chain pulls or is it still worth it to use them mid combat to reapply bleeds with carnage?

[maiden sierra]

I reuse vanish for mid pull if it lasts long

Allows for more sustained dps throughout the pull

If a tank chain pulls with no vanish charge thats simply life

[bleak prairie]

and in that case im guessing the best thing to do is FoK into rupture and tab target to get 5 up?

with a couple of garrottes here and there

[maiden sierra]

Yeah

In that case the garrotes are slighlty less inportant

But ruptures are still required

[bleak prairie]

yeah thats what I thought

I guess I need more practice, i cant seem to do more than 6.7/6.9m overall

[spice peak]

Why do i feel caustic spatter doing less now ?

[bleak prairie]

maybe I just suck

[raven phoenix]

it got fixed

[warm vortex]

And it somehow bugged a bunch of other things with it

[magic ravine]

I need help from you guys

does this spread look normal?

i feel like im lacking

i do have 2- only

2p*

and my stats are not perfect

This was a 7 dawnbreaker

with 2 other blasters

[warm vortex]

I’m not that used to checking logs, moreso look detail but there’s nothing glaring I can see.

I’d say spatter should be higher but if it’s a 7

That makes sense

[magic ravine]

I do have a +9 key that i might attempt and see how it goes

[west crown]

Until you get to 12s you probably aren’t having a much higher overall consistently. Mobs need to live longer to do more damage

[magic ravine]

im being told i should use this build for lower keys

but to take another poison bomb build for higher

[warm vortex]

Meh, I think bleed is the play all season tbh

!bleed

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +20's or higher, you should play bleed
3. Even if you're doing higher, you should probably play bleed
4. No, Fatebound is not good, you play Deathstalker in every key.

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• 11.2/Season 3: Bleed has gotten stronger through some buffs and the single target damage you get from singular focus is ridiculously good with the tier set. During PTR testing many high end rogues were just playing bleed everywhere.
• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave build is mainly for boss damage (note: not prio, there is no significant difference in prio). Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and some bosses during season 2 were not possible on high keys otherwise. It remains to be seen what push keys in Season 3 will bring in that regard.
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal. Rookery is not in the rotation in Season 3, and there are a lot of AoE dungeons. Dawnbreaker might be a candidate, but unsure currently.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead outside of low target cleave and higher target AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage. At the end of the day, the builds are extremely similar, but Bleed is looking to simply be the best.

[warm vortex]

But yea, caustic is better when things live longer is what I meant for the spatter comment

For me on like
10s/12s it’s usually

CT
Spatter
Sanguine blades
Rup / gar

Then everything else

[bleak prairie]

im doing 14s now xd

[warm vortex]

Tbh as long as your keeping tempest up your already doing better than most rogues I see

[bleak prairie]

was playing outlaw until 12s and decided to change thing sup

[warm vortex]

Btw, specific dps numbers are usually not smth to go by

You can’t really estimate what the standard dps is in a key as it has a ton of factors

Tank route, group comp, group buffs, deaths, timer, gear, the dungeon itself ect

Tbh if you time a key and aren’t super far apart in dps it’s prolly fine

[warm vortex]

Also to follow up on this I encountered this rogue last night while playing around with my new SV 4pc

[maiden sierra]

[bleak prairie]

bro has a netherprism and i still dont have mine (or the forge)

i guess part of my damage also being low is having 2 passive stat trinkets, so I dont really have anything to leverage my DM windows

[warm vortex]

Also I’m p sure 4pc sv makes your dps super skewed

50% damage from 1 ability

Good ol wildfire bomb

[bleak prairie]

i wish I could uncraft my outlaw weapon to craft a dagger instead

[deep gyro]

Lol outlaw weapon

[bleak prairie]

was playing a lot of outlaw last season and for some reason I thought I would as well this season

turns out i stopped after getting 3k and now im back to assa

and I also have a crafted ring with focusing lens

[rotund oak]

hiding sensitive information

a man of honor

[night vessel]

!wa

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[uneven aspen]

could someone check out my log from our fractillus first kill? i felt like i did very poorly, and kinda dont think its just bad rng and gear
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BFXJZfHvNtkV8GQ7?type=damage-done&fight=32
*because of the enrage i only get 1x 18 stack netherprism + vanish anyway, so i decided to shift that window into execute

[haughty flicker]

you vanished with your kingsbane at 2m

dont do that

treat vanish as a 3m cd and only use it with deathmark

[uneven aspen]

i dont get 3 vanish casts with deathmark because of enrage

its this or not using it

[maiden sierra]

Mythic fractilus

I dont feel qualified to give tips

[uneven aspen]

im fairly new to fatebound so you probably are xd

[maiden sierra]

Since my guild is only on araz mythic

[red schooner]

Two small things I noticed from a quick glance - (not got to mythic on that boss yet so fight specific things I'm not so sure on)

1. don't open with ambush. No point for fate bound.
2. in deathmark windows, have your shivs covering the full length of deathmark instead of saving it for the end of kingsbane

[haughty flicker]

idk if it ended up working out for you

mightve though

[uneven aspen]

oh ok, thanks! didnt know, especially 2)

[uneven aspen]

because we were struggling with enrage, the fight time was completely static
which is why over the course of progression, i thought this should be better that way

[haughty flicker]

it killed the boss so it did work out

the shiv thing is probably the biggest thing

otherwise get better gamba luck

[red schooner]

Yeah, seems alright other than that at a quick glance. No clue if the vanish thing is worth it or not given the fight length

[haughty flicker]

best coin gamba only 19 gg

the fight length definitely trolled you a lot

missing out on two vanish deathmarks is sadge

or i guess missing one and moving one

[uneven aspen]

the alternative (and what some other people did) would be just the usual 18 stack + vanish deathmark at ~3min, but thats not execute yet
so i thought whats the point (because fight short) and shifted netherprism by 1 cooldown set

[haughty flicker]

you didnt end up overcapping prism so ye it probably was the best choice

maybe wouldve been better to save pot for that too instead of the little baby second one you got at the end

but that wouldve been hard to know for sure

[uneven aspen]

idk how valuable lust and 2 potions overall are, vs 1 potion in stacked execute cds

[haughty flicker]

just based on the fact that your execute dm was stronger than the one on pull despite both lust and pot i think it was probably worth

because your second pot buffed like 4 envenoms

but thats more hindsight than something to know then

[uneven aspen]

on reclear i should definitely do it then, because shorter fight length will make the 2nd pot even worse

[haughty flicker]

ye you prob wont even get a second pot going forward

[magic ravine]

@warm vortex did a 10 , a bit better now i feel like

but the boss fights are so low DPS

[uneven aspen]

the impact of rng is just very hard to judge
over the course of progression it definitely felt like i was constantly doing bad damage, but thats also to be expected when we wipe before i use my cooldowns 30-40 seconds before enrage

thank you both for the help <3

[haughty flicker]

grats on the kill gamer

mythic prism in vault for sure

[west crown]

Well then should probably doing 7.3 ish. I’m doing 6.9 in 10s so

[normal mist]

You're welcome

[haughty flicker]

no you're welcome

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/disneytoons-movies-disney-toons-cartoons-gif-14670267254775627272

[uneven aspen]

it dropped, but went to our hunter who somehow didnt have one yet 😔

[haughty flicker]

[marsh fjord]

Bel

I didn’t went over the log but did her second pot did more then her pot in lust?

Because of exe?

[humble verge]

@haughty flicker

[haughty flicker]

no the second pot buffed like 4 envenoms right at the end of the fight, thats why i was wondering if it was even worth

[golden loom]

@uneven aspen the omega smallest thing would be to prism before/as you deathmark here (to boost the coin damage flipped by deathmark/kingsbane) (probably worth 0,0001% damage!!)

[haughty flicker]

but im just a feelycrafter

i say shit confidently and let whispyr get annoyed later

[haughty flicker]

coinmaxxing

[marsh fjord]

Haha I’m just wondering if we only get 1 pot. If we use it with DM in execute or we use pot on lust

[haughty flicker]

but yeah couldve buffed two edge cases

with prism

giga coins

[uneven aspen]

this is what happens, when you (me) dont know what exactly is doing the big damage ._. i dont know anything about fatebound dksjdas

[magic ravine]

How is your ST in M+? On bosses

[haughty flicker]

ye to me it seems like if you only have one pot its worth using in execute with how much we spike, but ask whispyr about it later so he can call me a dumbass

[uneven aspen]

i would just assume execute, especially if its an 18 stack netherprism window

[marsh fjord]

Will do thanks

[red schooner]

Not great but not terrible

[haughty flicker]

and yeah specifically if you have a vanish/18 stack netherprism deathmark in execute

[marsh fjord]

Yeah and lust you don’t have 18 stacks

[haughty flicker]

not a pansy ass non vanish dm

[normal mist]

bad

[golden loom]

its pretty minor yeah but its the same logic in why we shiv before deathmark 😎

[uneven aspen]

good to know, thanks!

probably my last assassination boss this tier, but i still want to at least try making the best out of it

[wheat hill]

on the bleed build do i wanna keep above 150 energy on single target?

[normal mist]

no

[haughty flicker]

yeah sub just seems way too good on salad bar and dimensius to not play

especially if you can get your hands on a forge

[golden loom]

for dimensius sub probably (for sure) does more dam in the damage amp but I wonder what the case is for salad bar

[uneven aspen]

its also my main spec anyway, but i just cannot play it on fractillus when we are struggling with the enrage
and fatebound has been fun so far, so i dont mind

[marsh fjord]

I do wonder what to do with the vanish usage on fract skip the second usage and hold it for your 4;30 DM

[haughty flicker]

well the damage amp maybe assa could be competitive with fb, but sub also just giga blasts the add platforms

which for non rwf guilds is probably going to be pretty important

[golden loom]

well it depends

[red schooner]

Fatebound is chill 'turn brain off, hit boss' times

[golden loom]

cause in a few months the damage is gonna be absurd

[red schooner]

No thoughts, just stab

[haughty flicker]

well yeah in a few months anything could change

[golden loom]

with infinite gear, stacking damage buff, another turbo boost

[haughty flicker]

i mean more for people doing it right now

[golden loom]

yeah now I agree for sure

[haughty flicker]

in a few months the adds might just get exploded instantly

then you can play whatever and just hard pad amp

[golden loom]

I have a feeling it will just be assa on everything as per usual by the time I am there

[haughty flicker]

idk its kind of funny how it tends to go

outside of obvious times when tuning is far off

sub starts out good because you can giga pump into stuff like add phases

then as adds die faster assa starts to gain value due to execute and atm just higher st

but then as execute window gets shorter and shorter sub starts to catch up again

[golden loom]

in my head it will be even more so this tier cause assa single target is actually big

like fatebound is just good ST and not hyper reliant on execute phase either since coins dont care about that

[haughty flicker]

ye fatebound being good st throws a wrench in that normal theme

[sharp viper]

can someone explain to me whether the antenna nerf gives -3% less critical chance or -3% less crit rating gained from the proc?

[haughty flicker]

because you just do higher anyway

[lost cosmos]

did blizz aknowledge the hero talent bugs and stuff? Just saw the vid about it

[spice surge]

The latter

[haughty flicker]

no blizzard hates us and wants us to suffer

also we got nerfed by 59%

[red schooner]

Blizzard hates Bel specifically

[sharp viper]

so not a giant nerf at least

[red schooner]

We're just collateral

[haughty flicker]

true

im sorry guys

[boreal arrow]

hello, some mates are telling me assa spec took a submarine nerf of around 15%, I suppose it is shit right ?

[uneven aspen]

also doesnt help that its not "just" assassination that is riddled with bugs

[sharp viper]

[haughty flicker]

its ok ive been playing my hunter

[lost cosmos]

i was really wondering where my dmg increase was with 4set until i saw the vid lol

[haughty flicker]

yeah sub is still even buggier than assa

good class we have going

[uneven aspen]

i heard hunters are having fun with set bugs as well

[red schooner]

Jokes on them I'm a one trick pony, I'm stuck here forever

Never switching because I can't

[sly spoke]

same cuh

[lost cosmos]

i'd love to learn sub but my brain cant comprehend all those buttons sadly

[sly spoke]

lets just pray this dev takes 5 minutes of his extremely busy day to take a look at rogues

[lost cosmos]

so im stuck with assa

[shrewd night]

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/66fbb832ee3d3137f8317b95/4x.gif

[normal mist]

10% in m+ AoE

And a bunch of funnel in DS raid

[magic ravine]

im genuinely asking since my ST was garbage and i think im doing ok rotation, garbage compared to arcane mage or windwalker monk i had in a group now

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-cat-gif-27161697

[normal mist]

it was a genuine answer

[haughty flicker]

thank you for coming to my bullshit talk

[uneven aspen]

i will never doubt that the devs have actually busy days, its just not enough people

[normal mist]

Our biggest strenght is AoE and Funnel

If there's only 1 target, we suck

[lost cosmos]

@magic ravine assa is known to have shitty st though right? especially with bleed build

[shrewd night]

Comparing assa to ww

[boreal arrow]

funnel is bugged as shit, it is already the nerf no ?

[normal mist]

thats the bug that nerfed it

[magic ravine]

Is it ? i do not know hence why im asking 😄

[haughty flicker]

i dont think ive even seen a ww in keys yet this season

[desert salmon]

Guys, I heard assa rogue has too much bugs.
Is this only DS or also FB??

[haughty flicker]

elusive creatures

[normal mist]

both

FOR MORE INFO ON THE BUGS:

[red schooner]

Both wear leather, both melee, both have an energy system. Basically the same

[desert salmon]

🙁

[shrewd night]

wws go bm for keys. Its free invite and pretty chill.

[normal mist]

Right here

[haughty flicker]

its the pin video

[shrewd night]

Monks use chi

[red schooner]

Yellow bar, same thing

[haughty flicker]

combo points

[sharp viper]

green combo points

[haughty flicker]

green rogue is cool though

[red schooner]

I dunno I've never played monk

[normal mist]

this is a new one

[shrewd night]

Wont catch me dead playing ww

[normal mist]

freshly made

[wicked carbon]

Do the sims account for the bugs ?

[haughty flicker]

i just fucking hate slicing wind

i hate whoever inflicted that upon us

[shrewd night]

Mistweaver, MAYBE. Brewmaster, probably. Windwalker? AHAHAno.

[haughty flicker]

even tapping it feels bad

[shell plaza]

assa fixed ?

[haughty flicker]

[normal mist]

if there's no new pin, no

[storm hedge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[marsh fjord]

@haughty flicker I went over 10 top logs of frac mythic, and they all vanish around 2:30 with a solo kingsbane to have vanish up for a big DM + netherprism in excute around 4:30

[sharp viper]

I got 4set on sunday, I thought I was going crazy during raid when playing it for the first time

[haughty flicker]

makes sense

if you know you wont get to 6m (which you cant on that fight) might as well

[marsh fjord]

Also holding there pot

as well

[haughty flicker]

i kinda forgor the fight timer when i first mentioned it

but yeah its definitely the right play

[marsh fjord]

Most timers are around 5:00 - 5:15

[haughty flicker]

yeah thats around when he enrages

so you just cant go past that

[marsh fjord]

yeah

[warm vortex]

Yea, Assa has some dog water ST in keys

What was the group comp?

[sharp sinew]

This is probably a giga dumb question but imma ask it anways do yall just spam gar/rup on the same target in M+ trash to spread dots because of how the targetting works or do yall tab target

[normal mist]

I spam the same target

otherwise i'll lose my marked target LOL

[oak musk]

I use a focus macro to focus my marked target

[normal mist]

Smart

I CBA

[haughty flicker]

on some target counts it can be a minor damage increase to tab target assuming you do it correctly

but im bad and wont do it correctly so i dont

[marsh fjord]

I work with plater that colours when something is ruptured. so i mouseover macro my garrotes/ruptures to the none coloured ones.

[sullen monolith]

And if you have a juicy pull of 10-13 mobs, will you dot up only 5 targets and start your rotation to spread CS or you would dot up roughtly 9-11 mobs? I feel sometimes for us to prep the pack and dot up everything takes AGEEEEEessssss.

[grizzled geyser]

many pulls in m+ have the tank pulling several packs where it takes a while for them all to group up, definitely start already garroting and rupturing them as they gather (with tricks up)
also whispers plater has a mod that lets you color the nameplate that is marked in for example bright white, so you find the mob again easily if you switch off

[sharp sinew]

ohhh i see'

[sharp sinew]

i struggle with that at times

[sullen monolith]

what i dont like in here is that either our marked target is not the ones that pulled in first, which means you either need to vanish once, or change marks which is super annoying ... i wish a better hero talent design here tbh

[autumn idol]

if you want to do that, play around with your nameplates, make your debuffs visible but only garrote/rupture/ds mark

[sharp sinew]

i know the pain esp with pugs so i just wait for the tank to gather everything

[autumn idol]

you have 6 seconds of subterfuge, and you dont have to exit stealth right away

ideally you dont event want to ambush out of stealth

you can do garrote garrote rupture ambush and youll get both spatter and mark on the target

otherwise you're wasting globals in your carnage window

[grizzled geyser]

idk i actually asked about that yesterday here and tbh I got conflicting answers on if you wanna ambush even if you have DN up or not

[warm flint]

even this class trolls us rn smh

[grizzled geyser]

can argue for and against it

[normal mist]

do more dps than him

shit on his face

[autumn idol]

i usually apply mark over DN

[warm flint]

imma double his ass sir

[vocal seal]

shiv him irl

[haughty flicker]

its so funny how the bug thing blew up

[sly spoke]

tuff times

[haughty flicker]

cant believe we lose 69% damage from bugs

[sick garnet]

ask him if he enjoys his 3 buttons rotation

[spice surge]

"im swapping to sub because assa is too buggy" gets me everytime man

[normal mist]

IF you end up with more overall than him, please tell him "not even the bugs give you a chance to beat me"

[sly spoke]

yeah 69% is kinda crazy tbh thats a lot

[haughty flicker]

its so good

swapping to the notoriously bug free spec subtlety rogue

[sly spoke]

i had a dude who kicked me from his key because i refused to reroll sub due to assa being 'unplayable'

guess i gotta spec sub to apply for keys now 🙂

[sterile jackal]

didnt know its unplayable, what i do now

[sly spoke]

mass uninstall

[haughty flicker]

stop playing

gg

[sterile jackal]

i swapped from outlaw for this season

[warm flint]

just to beat his ass imma reswap on assa at dawn kekw

[sterile jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-anakin-dark-side-palpatine-sith-gif-14304484953492859842

[nocturne quail]

Tell him you know a good Mage if he needs some rotation help

[vocal seal]

i wish sub wasnt as convoluted to play

[spice surge]

Its a meme, assa is still really good

[vocal seal]

bring back BFA sub

[sterile jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/its-over-its-genuinely-over-seal-sad-seal-breaking-news-gif-243396507301445550

[shell plaza]

F, cant believe assa is finished

[deep gyro]

Lol

Assa rogue is dead might as well play outlaw

[shell plaza]

im not gen Z tho

[nocturne quail]

Hell no

[sterile jackal]

outlaw is great

fun to play

[boreal arrow]

anyone have a source about that nerf ? currently i don't find any

[red schooner]

Which nerf? Antenna?

[boreal arrow]

rumor about the submarine nerf of 15% or is it all bout the funnel bug ?

and the fact that everybody is now spitting on assa rogue

[red schooner]

Its just the bug, it ain't 15℅, we're fine

[magic ravine]

windwalker and arcane mage

[normal mist]

pins

[sullen monolith]

Well, they fixed CS double dipping, which was a straight nerf, but then ofc it completely broke with singular which is a bug, but we pump much less.... The interesting part however for me, that a few days ago i was critting 13-14 mills with my shived final mark envenom, but today i couldnt crit more then 8 mill.... so i defientely think there is more in the backyard ...

[boreal arrow]

I know rogue is one of the most bugged class since debut of the game in 2005, but the current state seems the worst it ever was

[wicked carbon]

The chinese rogues are still breaking dps records every day in keys so I doubt it's as bad as people say

[red schooner]

We're fine, we do good damage, we perform fine. People need to chill out

[boreal arrow]

Yes assa is still a good spec on keys, we rely more on bleed management than funnel of caustic imo

[orchid pewter]

Just play both depending on dungeon

And be happy

Rogue is great

[wicked carbon]

Love how it's both

Outlaw crying in the corner

[orchid pewter]

Well outlaw is just in shambles

[twin hull]

Thats cause of the high conversion rates

[orchid pewter]

Its just too much for me

[light grove]

Do you press shiv on cd ?
And do you use macro on tea (shiv+tea) or manage it manually ?

[ornate parcel]

newest warcraft log shows us near the bottom now

time to shut down the discord

rets are near the top now, it apparently works

[spice surge]

Hey it was like the first time i used it (besides the proc rate on that pull was ridic, youll see i have way above average uptime even with all those missed orbs)

[wicked carbon]

It has little to do with the bugs and more to do with other classes getting their tier sets

Assa was never good in raid on the PTR

[merry juniper]

did someone posted the weekly dps ranks this week already ?

[zenith prairie]

do we run follolw the blood over momentum in M+ with the bug

[ornate parcel]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/paladins-rising-in-the-ethereal-lands-the-war-within-season-3-dps-rankings-for-378331

[spice surge]

You would do that anyway

Follow the blood is better

[zenith prairie]

yeah of course I was doing that

duh

[normal mist]

@warm flint any news?

[merry juniper]

geez -16 ranks is something... hooly

[spice surge]

Its mostly just people swapping to play sub

[jagged niche]

hey assassins, new here, and new to WoW in general, just started about 4 days ago. just read back a couple of blocks and i have some questions:

1. what does it mean with the bugs? i generally still want to play assassination rogue, is this still fine?

2. are the only enemy debuffs i need to track: rupture, garrote, and ds mark? so that i can turn off all other debuff indicators, i currently have rupture and garrote icon appear in plater for mobs affected by them, now thinking to add ds mark, also, what is the focus macro and what might it do for me?

[spice surge]

Like in a previous tier when assa got buffed by 5% sub went down like 10 spots too

[red schooner]

1. ye we're fine.

[spice surge]

Despite not receiving any changes

[red schooner]

People overstate the bugs and act like we're Aug tier. Shits still alright I dunno

Spec works, kind of has some bugs but its still fun

[jagged niche]

so basically we're not at full power yet? haha

[merry juniper]

yea makes sense, but i still think assa single and cleave is pretty weak right now for raids, its the greatest aoe for m+ very ez to play but in raids some bosses aren't just made for it.

[ornate parcel]

just because we are fine, doesnt mean we cant extort blizzard the way ret paladins did

look what it did for their numbers

[red schooner]

It did nothing for their numbers

Like, I'd you think blizzard went, 'a third party community shutdown, let's immediately convene and arrange a buff to be rolled out the next day' then I dunno what to tell you

[haughty flicker]

blizzard literally did the same thing they've been doing every tier recently

[ornate parcel]

if you think im being totally serious, then i dunno what to tell you

[haughty flicker]

nerfed whoever did well week 1 and buffed whoever did lowest

[red schooner]

I've seen some takes man

[haughty flicker]

the problem is we're dealing with ret paladins who actually believe what you just said

[red schooner]

The ret pala in my guild does

Same guy also went on about the hybrid tax in 2025

He's a lost cause

[arctic socket]

Let’s all send blizzard screenshots of whispyrs crash out due to the sin bugs, to see if we get them fixed the next day

[warm flint]

done

[vocal seal]

guys shut down the discord till we get a buff

[sly spoke]

mass uninstall

[limber swallow]

They could just fix all of the bugs they introduced in the last couple weeks and call it a buff...

[bitter iris]

[spice surge]

Its only the caustic one thats new

[limber swallow]

So you're saying we're still finding shit from the beginning of the expansion?

or we knew all of this... oh dear..

[glad shuttle]

midnight presales goes boom - no need for bugfixes 🙁

[spice surge]

Theyve been known

[spice peak]

There is a bug with master assasin they need to fix that

[vocal seal]

there is also a bug where i'm not topping the meters 100% of the time in everything even healing

[spice surge]

Its not new ones, whispyr just crashed out a bit with the caustic one.
Which tbf is a silly one

[merry juniper]

ok so question, deathstalker is only viable on this raid in the DH fights correct? all other bosses FB hero talent is better, right ?

[brave zenith]

Is assa just single target spreading dots in aoe?

[limber swallow]

I thought there were a couple more linked to the tier set, like momentum of despair + shiv bug

[spice surge]

Well ye but those have been known and reported since the start of ptr

[red schooner]

DH, Araz and Soulbinder

[spice surge]

If youre lucky you might get one bugfix per season, like sub does

[red schooner]

Though on hc reclear we just melted the adds so there may be a FB play there somewhere maybe

I dunno

I just went DS and went ham at the 2 minute CD set

[ornate parcel]

i played FB on araz reclear and ended up doing a lot better, fuck that fight

FB with caustic

[neat remnant]

Is it still worth spreading bleeds as fb with caustic? Or should you just tunnel into the boss with caustic

[red schooner]

Rupture sniping is still a gain I'd imagine

[merry juniper]

yea the adds die so fast that i think FB should be better on Araz

[tribal spire]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[ornate parcel]

and you dont have to pull your hair out managing the mark

[shell plaza]

managing the mark there is autistic af, i cant do that to myself

[merry juniper]

yessss, that was me yesterday fuck that

[shell plaza]

if only the mark worked like the combo points 🙂 or just every envenom switches the mark always 🙂

[red schooner]

The mark on araz ain't that bad, try and have a DN for the first pillar, save vanish to reapply when the boss is back up

[normal mist]

LETS FUCKING GO EAT SHIT HUNTER

[weary stump]

Next tier we're good damage wise week 1 we all just have to collectively shit the bed so we look like we're doing bad; therefore blizzard buffs us week 2

[keen oak]

is assa missing like 10% overall with bugs rn?

[hidden crown]

kek which tier set is the best damage wise, since we probably get fated raids and vote for which one

[shy axle]

no fated this time

expansion in feb/mar

[hidden crown]

No? :c

[ornate parcel]

They done with fated. Thank god. Stupid season

[spice surge]

Theyve explicitly said no fated

[weary stump]

It was not fated to be

[spice surge]

There was a bugfix that was intended to be a ~4% nerf but it broke something else so it was more like a 10% nerf

[hidden crown]

wow so we gonna get a whole lot of nothing till the expantion comes out

we still have remix but still

[shy axle]

just a normal season with .5 and .7 patch

[pliant remnant]

That is how patches work, yes

[keen oak]

alrigh thank u

[ornate parcel]

Unfortunately remix is currently tuned like its classic. No super speeding

[spice surge]

Theres a lot of other bugs too, but thats the case for most classes, especially rogue

[hidden crown]

man we got 3 classic wows and 2 retail wow its crazy time we live in

[weary stump]

Just wait 3 years for classic season of rediscovery

[hidden crown]

lmaooo

[shy axle]

i`d bet on classic+ end of 26 with all they learned from sod

[hidden crown]

we already have classic + at home

[light grove]

How do we use vanish, I struggle a lot on it ?

[normal mist]

what scenario

[cerulean karma]

Does anyone know if cloak makes you immune to the knockback on the first boss?

[surreal vale]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[vocal seal]

why is fire damage not considered magic damage ?

i just nuked my ass in priory

[main bridge]

it should be

[vocal seal]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-flip-cat-flipping-cat-caption-what-the-flip-cat-gif-6424115877871372453

[wide quail]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[nova kelp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne7fbb9c-BU

[astral plover]

Cant wait for the whispyr ramt about them nerfing trinkets. But not fixing rogue

Rogue is prolly also gonna receive a nerf in the rwf nerfs comming

[surreal vale]

Does anyone can help me with logs review ?

[astral plover]

I can cy

[surreal vale]

I think its just the bugs from the Rogue but I could me doing wrong too

Its from Mythic Souldbinder

My log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rbvBZCA8Kp1qx9d4?fight=6&type=damage-done&source=19

a random rogue log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pkDqcytzhLWVTx2N?fight=29&type=damage-done&source=20

Why my CS isn`t hitting like that

[astral plover]

You dont dry shiv.

Also, the adds could die quicker in your guilds run. Then his.

[red schooner]

Dry shiv + arterial on that fight goes HAM

[warm vortex]

What about wet shiv

[astral plover]

Yea, greeding with dry shivss into shiv into adds. Should help you alt

Alot

[astral plover]

Ill wet fart on you

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/lilo-stitch-lick-gif-12993014

[surreal vale]

So I just try to shiv on boss when the adds are on him ?

[astral plover]

Yes. With darkest night and lingering darkness preff

[vocal seal]

for free ??

[astral plover]

Yes

[surreal vale]

Ok I will count on that for the next kill

thanks @astral plover

[vocal seal]

goddamn

[amber brook]

Felt like there was no dry shiv opps without 4 set

when adds come up

[neon oxide]

is shiv + tea after deathmark worth?

[vocal seal]

[vocal seal]

usually you use shiv with deathmark and the 2nd shiv at 8 seconds since it lines up with the last 8 seconds of deathmark

[neon oxide]

or i save the tea for 50% plus energy?

[vocal seal]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[hardy pasture]

is there a link to the bugfix?

[wanton spear]

are they addressing any bugs today? or are we just gonna have to dealwith them till midnight like we did with tww

[slim jetty]

Quick question for M+ Bleed spec on ST:
When do i use CT?
I open with Ambush, Garrote, Multilate to 5+, Rupture, then again Mutilate to 5+, Envenom, then Shiv + DM.
Do i use CT as 3th finisher-move, or later or maybe earlier before i use shiv DM? Pls help me to understand this.

[neon oxide]

how about 2pc set its increased the shiv duration? i replace the existing shiv?

[unreal tide]

With current, growing, list of bugs, is soulbinder still worth going deathstalker or just slam fatebound and enjoy life?

[heady plaza]

Do we have a energy regen bug in DM or am i trippin?

[spice surge]

Wdym

[hardy pasture]

sub

[spice surge]

No, you shiv when the previous shiv ends

[heady plaza]

Yesterday in mythic fractilus i was on 0 energy in almost all of my full cds

[spice surge]

They fixed one buy and another one spawned, thats +1 and -1, not really growing

[spice surge]

You would use it instead of envenom in that sequence

[unreal tide]

At the same time they added the one where if I hit need, I dont win the roll. So +2

[hardy pasture]

where did you find info about the bugfixes and -% it gives?

[heady plaza]

Like i would assume if i press dm my energy would skyrocket but i had moments when i literally had to wait for energy to cast abilities in DM

[spice surge]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24223774/hotfixes-august-20-2025

    Fixed an issue that allowed Caustic Spatter to directly benefit from effects that provide damage bonus to all Rogue damage abilities.

Thats the bugfix, but it also broke caustic spatter working with singular focus

As for what percentages those are worth, you can math it out or head over to the pins/whispyrs video

[tall atlas]

with the new shiv timing do i prio kb or dm for max shiv uptime

im asuming dm but im scared

[red schooner]

For FB? Deathmark

[tall atlas]

ty bby

shame we miss out on the end of kb

i kind of try timing it for when the kb ends cos it gets the last couple ticks of both

[unique vessel]

for low m+, is caustic splatter still better than internal bleeding for the bleed build?

[static glacier]

lowkey, why don't we just make spatter 50%

[spice surge]

Yes, and its not even remotely close

If theres ever more than 1 target you play caustic

[unique vessel]

thanks, thats what i thought but i was hopeful to be able to "hehe funny extra bleed" 🙁

[royal lantern]

caustic spatter is literally your most important aoe tool; you do no aoe without it lol

[dense cedar]

Inside deathmark it will not matter, KB should be fully stacked by then anyhow

[royal lantern]

thats like not having multishot on BM hnter

[golden loom]

oh my god I can already see it, a world where instead of fixing caustic + singular focus they give us internal bleeding buffs

[spice surge]

Jokes on you, they play that shit

[unique vessel]

idk in every key ive done so far my top 2 are sudden demise and crimson tempest

[spice surge]

Bad analogy

[golden loom]

yeah didnt BM drop multishot for aoe this patch

[thorny crown]

is it worth playing sub temp for dmg in m+ until bugs are fixed? Dont know much about them but heard zerooss swapped temp to sub cuz of it

[main bridge]

That means you are doing it wrong and losing potential damage

[spice surge]

Assa still does really high damage in keys

[royal lantern]

can we burn "hero talents" down allready

cus its 100% some hero talent shit, right?

[unique vessel]

idk in my floodgate i was 55% of the damage. am i just not mutilating enough?

[main bridge]

Probably but if you’re 55% of all damage you might be in a sale

[golden loom]

looking at it on wowhead atm, its the same hero talent build

[royal lantern]

if sudden demise is your #1 or #2 dmg, something is wrong lol

[hidden crown]

Good cuz Im competing with 690 gear people, I thought details was bugged

[umbral sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/niana-guerrero-all-by-myself-lonely-forever-alone-gif-11869805

[unique vessel]

my highest key is also only like a 4 so that might be playing a role in it being skewed to SD being high

[royal lantern]

i mean yeha

SD against low hp targets goes crazy

cus it executes them at 35% hp lol

[unique vessel]

caustic is a solid 10.4% of my damage in aoe pulls though

[hidden crown]

I wonder if the tier set from the previous season is giving me a huge dmg boost because of it

[royal lantern]

well, there is often just the thing

if you do dungeons with ilvl 690 rn, you are kinda undergeared

and most people that play in that range rn are KIIIINDA not great at the game

[static glacier]

imagine if we closed the discord bro

[pliant remnant]

umm guizzz

assa dropped 16 ranks in wowhead article

when ravenholdt closure???

[bleak sun]

Tbh im undergeared but cleared all 10 in a week

[hidden crown]

soooooo what I understand if I replace my previous season geat (gambler tier set) with new season generic gear, I wont lose dps?

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/omegalul-lul-lulw-twitch-emote-gif-13523263

[static glacier]

people got to the middle of the raid kekw

[royal lantern]

you replace your old tier stuff asap you have 2p from new tier avaible

cus its a really strong tier effect

like, really dumb strong

[polar notch]

In a long lasting trash pull is it worth trying to rebleed everything if you have no vanish...or just get a few ruptures reapplied and maintain caustic spatter and crimson tempest?

[normal mist]

get some rupture up so you can get energy back and back to pumping caustic

[hidden crown]

I have veteran tier set shoulders so imma take your word for it

[static glacier]

royal answered it, for me I like to keep and reapply ruptures on mobs i expect to last to the end of the pull and live for like 10+ seconds, if i can proc spatter as rupture is dropping i'll just try to end the pack with spatter

from what you said the latter answer is what I like to go for

[hidden crown]

ok im doing crazy dmg in a +10 delve with 680 ilvl gear and im destroying it

no wonder blizzard is doing a stat squish next expansion

[static glacier]

that shouldn't change the difficulty

[novel star]

squish is just because the numbers are cringe

[static glacier]

they just want the numbers to be lower, expect us to do like 10k dps next expac

[novel star]

what the fuck does 30 million in one global even mean

[static glacier]

and mobs not having 20 bil hp

[novel star]

[royal lantern]

it means you do 30million dmg in one global

[novel star]

its CRINGE

[hidden crown]

ITS NOSTALGIA

[novel star]

nostalgia for what

[hidden crown]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-goku-stare-goku-meme-goku-angry-dark-goku-gif-9241577022218433700

[novel star]

the numbers have never been this big ever

[hidden crown]

You wouldnt get it

[royal lantern]

legion?

[novel star]

legion was smaller

[royal lantern]

oh ye wait

legion was around 1-2 million

not 3-4

[novel star]

argus rank 1 dps is like 2.6mil i think?

checked it a few days ago

[royal lantern]

idk

[static glacier]

bro this exile emoji is too good

[royal lantern]

gonna be real

i never look at the nmbers themself

lol

if people ask me how much dps i do as a number, i could not tell you for like 8years now

yellow bar is high on details, parse number is purple, im happy most of the time

[novel star]

based ghuun

[novel star]

its op

why do u think my server nickname is i irl every time i open this fucking channel

[midnight snow]

outlaw is worth to teach?

or its just trash

[dense cedar]

outlaw is cool

see if u like I guess

[hidden crown]

The stat squish is giving me BFA vibes and I dont like where its goig

https://tenor.com/view/gosling-sad-gosling-ryan-gosling-blade-runner-snow-gosling-snow-gif-6845320348811377304

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-wrong-oscar-the-grouch-ding-dong-gif-25943635

[royal lantern]

get that shit spec out of this sacred place

[modern harbor]

guys.. is it worth making a second char for sub rogue is switching from assa to sub and back easy enough?

[sharp sinew]

Someone help this paladin signup for thr manaforge omega raid

[royal lantern]

why the hell would you do that

[dense cedar]

no

[marsh fjord]

Does anyone know how to see properly on logs when a boss hits 35%?

[hidden crown]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-exe-gif-12890623297943149339

wHAt

[novel star]

just sim gear for both specs and keep 2 gearsets in ur bags

[spice surge]

You dont even really need 2 gearsets

Theres barely any difference

[royal lantern]

people overestimate secondarys soooooooooooooooo much

when its barely a difference

[modern harbor]

yeah for example. sub is more fun without the dot management and the constant headegg of all the chainpulls in m+. and on top of it sub performs ultra well right now

[spice surge]

As long as all of your gear doesnt have haste

Youre good

[royal lantern]

then spec frking sub?

[novel star]

yes but have you ever hit the N key on your keyboard

you can just switch to sub

[royal lantern]

and why do you complain about dot managment on a DOT SPEC

[novel star]

by clicking the switch to sub button

[hidden crown]

Sub is pretty cool

[royal lantern]

and assa loves chainpulls btw

[novel star]

dont need a new character for it

[royal lantern]

[novel star]

[modern harbor]

yes but i need extra ring with different enchantments.. in best case different stats on my crafted gear. different sockets.

[royal lantern]

mate

[novel star]

😭 holy fuck

[thorny crown]

Dude just did the ultimate ragebait xD

[royal lantern]

are you serious rn

do you think that having haste/crit instead of mastery/vers on a item makes another spec unplayable

[shell plaza]

[spice surge]

again, you literally dont

[modern harbor]

assa loves chainpuls? i dont love them in every scenario,. you like building combopoints to dot every target one by one?

[novel star]

sure man make a different character and play twice as much slop dogshit content to get different gems for <1% dps

[shell plaza]

🪤

[novel star]

[modern harbor]

ok good to know

[lunar sonnet]

Change to enemies, select boss name, then under resources tab make sure its set to hit points

[modern harbor]

why the hell you so toxic ffs. i was asking a normal question

[novel star]

highkey yea

[modern harbor]

you have mental issues

[novel star]

i apologize

[dense cedar]

[manic bridge]

[novel star]

the normal answer to your normal question is no. stats dont matter. dont make a second character for your stats

lol

[thick widget]

Anyone knows the assa bugs ? And how much dps lost ? Please

[modern harbor]

thx . thats what i wanted to know if its worth

[normal mist]

check

the

pins

[wide quail]

I copied Caustic Spatter script from Ceverion's profile to my own profile. However, the coloring doesn't work. Any idea how to fix it?

[novel star]

[main bridge]

Kinda wish Whispyr didn’t make that bug video because we’re gonna see that question every 10 minutes now. But maybe it will spread awareness enough that blizzard fixes some of them too

[midnight mist]

[fringe sierra]

wheres our bug fixes wtf

[midnight mist]

wowhead article or no bug fixes cuh

[main bridge]

Apparently

[fallen arch]

It needs to be adressed though

But ye, probably youre right

[static glacier]

what server is it from

[fringe sierra]

bro this bug is literally fuking sin rn it needs to be addressed for sure

[somber sparrow]

are we shutting down the discord server until it's fixed??? 😄

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-13597132752790194338

[normal mist]

the bugs are bad and yet we're pumping

[somber sparrow]

"pulling a ret" is what it's called, and also dumb

[novel star]

my own

i downloaded it from 7tv

[royal lantern]

we have quake, we are always pumping

[round fjord]

Besided all the bugs.
On huge pulls on m+ 10 15tgts, how many rupture/garrote do we want to be up? minimal 5, but how many its worth to apply?

[static glacier]

👀

[restive falcon]

have whispyr lock the discord

[elfin valley]

Big

[coral ibex]

he should, then maybe people will stop asking stuff like "why do i vanish as fatebound"

[normal mist]

xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[fading echo]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
• Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
• Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.

[coral ibex]

[novel star]

during carnage, garrote over fok until all targets have it and rupture until all (significant) targets have it

[rough oyster]

Depends on many factors, how many small adds are in that will die to fast, do you have vanish ready to do 2 cycles and so on

[novel star]

general rule (all of this is in the guide on wowhead) is if a mob wont live 10+ seconds dont rupture it

and just let it die to spatter/ct

[round fjord]

Ok, tysm.

[static glacier]

why do I give backrubs?

(as deathstalker)

[timber pawn]

Rogues to bliz right now

[astral plover]

Made a 28m crit on my env week 1. Bc dry shiv.

[idle crane]

In regards to that pooling question/answer a second ago, is there a way to remove the low energy consumption of tea? I haven’t been worried about energy and just kinda pooling a bit before cd’s like I’ve seen mentioned but that means I pretty much never have tea except for my opener because it’s always chugged as soon as it comes off cd

[coral ibex]

NA up

[vapid terrace]

Just don't mutilate when you are low

[coral ibex]

also tea procs dont matter

you dont have to think about them

in fact, you should not think about them

macro to shiv and forget

[ebon prism]

Oooh what'd u get

[spice surge]

No theres no way to turn it off but theres also no need to actively think about it and try to stay above the proccing range

Just play the game

[coral ibex]

a long ass load screen

[sharp sinew]

The reset crew goes wild

[real pike]

double vaults

[idle crane]

Perfect ok

[real pike]

I would never cause I don't alt

[coral ibex]

also vaults dont open until 11 anyway

[real pike]

but I see the logic

[coral ibex]

bc thats when reset is

[sharp junco]

!dryshiv

[marsh fjord]

What you wanna know bro

[sharp junco]

Purpose, but i guess i can read that on wowhead

[marsh fjord]

you can. but basically. you will get a very big envenom if you do

[night vessel]

i hate that

[marsh fjord]

because lingering gives you 30% extra nature damage.

[dim slate]

Friends is it worth keeping above 50% consistently during single target boss fights in M+ or are we just full sending it besides pooling for death mark and shiv windows

[spice surge]

No

Just send

[static glacier]

@spice surge any info about dealing with wanting to shiv when dn is up? do we play for 4pc by sending dn without shiv then shivving or just shiv the dn?

obviously we should play to avoid this situation, I just want to know what the play is if we do find ourselves there

[shy edge]

hey guys, after the astral antenna nerf is still the best passive trinket for sin or it has changed?

[zenith elm]

We dont pool anymore

[marsh fjord]

Best bet is to just sim yourself

[zenith elm]

Its good, BIS even, if you dont miss it

[marsh fjord]

Trinket is still very good.

[unborn rain]

do we hold kingsbane for deathmark with 4 piece

[marsh fjord]

Your gonna hold kingsbane for 45 seconds?

[unborn rain]

the cdr is wacko

[marsh fjord]

Oh you mean when the bug appeared

[zenith elm]

Its bugged

[unborn rain]

it def feels way shorter tho

[zenith elm]

You send kingsbane as soon as its off

[marsh fjord]

I just send kingsbane.

[astral plover]

If bugged wait for cb

[zenith elm]

So that you have 1:15 min DM

[unborn rain]

kk i just be sending kingsbane

[scenic nacelle]

Spatter still not working with Singular focus 🙂

[zenith elm]

Nah dont even wait for it

[scenic nacelle]

you'd think they'd do some nice undocumented changes

[zenith elm]

We know, its bad for hybrid and cleave

[astral plover]

To be fair, they didnt even acknowledge the fact its bugged

[marsh fjord]

Gonna be a while before they give us some attention

[vocal seal]

!loot

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[night vessel]

What's your take? How likely is it that Blizzard will fix this buggy mess?

[unborn rain]

adding 10 new talents

[vocal seal]

50-50

50% they will give us 5% buff
50% they will not

[marsh fjord]

A few weeks

Every class has bugs.

its just a pile of shit

and we are most down shit

[dapper cradle]

perma slow mode until blue post on rogue bugs

[unborn rain]

not drastic enough

[real granite]

whats the criteria for the !loot sheet? only one ring recomended? no anubikaj? no momma medallion? no hoa belt?

[dapper cradle]

turn off reactions too

[real granite]

whats up with it

[dapper cradle]

[marsh fjord]

Have you seen the twitter post where you can see warcraftlogs percentile

everyone is throwing an tantrum

[brave stump]

whispyr not posting any updates until assa gets fixed

we done boys

[real granite]

broodsack good? idk

[fallen arch]

Ye sac good

[unborn rain]

sin rogues or everyone?

[real granite]

good compared with what? a chicken nugget?

[sharp junco]

why we not running momentum of despair?

[fallen arch]

What

[static glacier]

nah, share

[static glacier]

bugged

[real granite]

bugged

[fallen arch]

It’s just a fine trinket

[static glacier]

[spice surge]

I mean follow the blood is just better too in keys

[desert vault]

Any of the trinkets changes/buffs, make a difference on trinket priority really?

[real granite]

jinxed, buy me a coke

[spice surge]

Changes nothing

[static glacier]

I think there's situations where momentum would be stronger

stuff like big momma for example

ironically follow the blood is a ton better on the demolition duo in the same key

[fallen arch]

Ye so u wouldnt change

[swift kraken]

we still pick ilvl over stats?

[static glacier]

ye

[lucid silo]

we take those gang

[swift kraken]

im new to rouge

ok bet

[static glacier]

whatcha feeling?

[spice surge]

Not really

[lucid silo]

potential sacbrood action here

[vocal seal]

sac > prism ?

[static glacier]

the issue I've found with momentum is that we activate it really late with bleed opener on aoe, on stuff like big momma with sustained 3+ should be a win for momentum since we spam fok

[spice surge]

No sustained follow the blood crushes

[real granite]

hardly

[static glacier]

I woulda thought the crit chance and dmg on ct can compete tbh

[spice surge]

its like 8% more ct damage VS 30% ct damage

(without shiv up)

And follow the blood also works with demise, momentum doesnt

[static glacier]

forgive me if i'm hallucinating but im fairly sure momentum is more than 8% ct dmg

[spice surge]

Its 32% crit damage

[static glacier]

and 15% crit chance

[spice surge]

So it goes from 200% damage to 232% damage

[spice surge]

When it crits

[restive falcon]

idk what to pick

[minor coyote]

To get mythic track gear from vault dungeons what m+ floor do i have to clear?

[spice surge]

Which is roughly 16% damage, but you only have like 50% crit so its roughly 8%, and then the crit

[vocal seal]

highest simming item

[static glacier]

15% crit chance alone should be more than 8% ct dmg