assassination

[normal mist]

expecting a wipe

[clever sparrow]

my worst rogue experience was soulbinder

[normal mist]

and we killed it

[humble verge]

man

i forgot to equip lily

for loomithar

😭

[clever sparrow]

💔

[pliant remnant]

[novel star]

soulbinder is so free

[normal mist]

just caustic blast

BRRRRRRRRR

[dense cedar]

u wanna see something really funny

[novel star]

you just hold cds for like 20 seconds for the mass aoe at the end or whatever and there’s nothing else to think about

[normal mist]

yes

[dense cedar]

its the inverse of u

[normal mist]

LOL nice!

[dense cedar]

i want 4pc so bad

[normal mist]

i was doing that amount of DPS as fatebound

then i decided to switch

[dense cedar]

mythic sentinel felt actually so dogshit

[gray raven]

what's the impact of the second point in lethal dose DPS wise - considering sometimes running iron wire and that seems like the only way to do it (bleed build)

[round harbor]

Nah I'm just making a joke that fdk is busted at all ilvls

[tawny rapids]

!trinket

[normal mist]

we keep moving away from iron wire more and more

double shiv REALLY good dps

[dense cedar]

you halve its effectiveness and its one of the strongest talents in the tree

[main bridge]

You can sim any talent build but yeah the dps impact is significant

[dense cedar]

ignore iorn wire

[gray raven]

thx! i figured - IW is just fun on big pulls but i get it

[analog field]

IW is ultra strong and last season it was easier to get by dropping shiv , now that it is associated with the tier set it is more difficult. But for pugs it is always an idea

[vocal cradle]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
• Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
• Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.

[gray raven]

yeah would not ever considering dropping lightweight shiv

[analog field]

that was the optimal choice in the previous season

like 2% if i recall correctly

[gray raven]

i guess you could drop SBS but that is big combo points

[analog field]

if you drop it you drop doomblade too, but it was not fun

[cedar elm]

bugination

[clever sparrow]

dude i just hate [So'leah's Secret Technique] for no reason

idk its jst feels like shit playing with it

[runic hinge]

I'd drop MA if i wanted IW i think

[prime isle]

guys, using the bleeding build for m+, is it better to maintain energy 50%+ cause of sanguine blades?

for single target***

[coral ibex]

no

its the 2nd bottom action on the prio list in m+

[novel star]

it's technically better than spending on envenoms but it's lower than building combo points and the gain is extremely small

[surreal flare]

So did we really get a 15% hidden nerf? Lol

[coral ibex]

below generating combo points

[prime isle]

ooh ok

[novel star]

the situation even lining up at all where u have the opportunity to play for sb for a few seconds or whatever is pretty rare

you can just ignore it

[prime isle]

and we maintain CT on ST as well, right?

[novel star]

yes

[main bridge]

No why would you think this?

[surreal flare]

https://youtu.be/SWxGuvfNzig?si=oXJ20N-hrXR8E26o

[coral ibex]

if you have 5+ cp and you dont need to refresh rupture or CT and you dont have DN to consume, then yes you can pool for sanguine

but as soon as one of those conditions changes, you stop pooling

[surreal flare]

Posted 1 day ago but doesn’t say why

[main bridge]

Clickbait nonsense Zzzzz

[surreal flare]

So I’m asking here

[novel star]

a fucking youtube short

[mossy sundial]

You can stay at 50%+ energy while keeping all bleeds up easy

[coral ibex]

clickbait from a tank player

[surreal flare]

I got it linked to me lol don’t shoot me

[novel star]

its like 10% and its mostly bugs that we already knew about

[mossy sundial]

Just don't slam envenoms to eat your cp / energy n it's chill

[jolly stirrup]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[coral ibex]

you're not consuming DN very quickly or you're not shivving

you rarely have the time to pool energy for sanguine

[humble verge]

we are COOKED

playing sub on forgeweaver

[coral ibex]

correct

and dimmy

and potentially NK

[novel star]

this is not the case

[main bridge]

Fatebound on saladbar is great

[novel star]

if you giga proc blindside then sure

[main bridge]

Damage is good and the phase line up well

[novel star]

but even then its gonna run out eventually

i swear my sin and the sin that people are playing when they talk about sin in this discord

are 2 completely different specs

sometimes

[main bridge]

You are the chosen one

[novel star]

were just making shit up daily

[main bridge]

Main character in an anime

[mint urchin]

They are some are DS and some are FB!

[pearl halo]

hi guys can you tell me wich power take on the belt on assa?

[novel star]

i sure hope they arent playing fatebound in m+

[gray raven]

mastery

[novel star]

sim it (mastery probably)

[coral ibex]

mastery or crit

[mint urchin]

Well no one said they were smart, but I bet some are

[dense cedar]

mastery or crit, can sim it

[pearl halo]

okey many thx

[runic hinge]

the duality of this channel is the people who come in and complain about having zero energy in ST and the people who are coming in and saying "oh yeah we have plenty of energy to maintain SB"

[novel star]

kill me

yeah bro

my sb uptime is great

just dont look at the 30% ct

i forgot it existed and took it off my wa

[coral ibex]

yea like i just dont get it

[main bridge]

Are the people saying it’s easy to maintain SB just AFKing?

[coral ibex]

you have to upkeep rupture and CT

shiv eats a mark

you have to drop everything to consume DN if you have it

like

when are you finding the time to pool

xdd

yea sure blindside procs go hard sometimes but its not reliable

[runic hinge]

and garrote is 45 energy for 1 cp muti is 50 energy, like sheesh most of my time is spent maintaining bleeds anyways, they must have secret haste tech

[coral ibex]

im convinced they're not shivving and sitting on DN

[novel star]

the sims lie u just need to hit an invisible haste breakpoint for sb

actual cook

[safe path]

Is there any way to disable the combo point bar from blizzards default unit frames?

[coral ibex]

the only times i really end up "pooling" is if i see i have 2 mark stacks and my rupture and CT are 5-10 seconds from pandemic

[main bridge]

Use different unit frames

[coral ibex]

better to wait to refresh those and then consume DN than have them drop while you hit mutilate 4x to generate 7 cp

[novel star]

i use the blizzhudtweaks addon (i think)

to hide cp and action bars and shit

on base ui

[safe path]

Well im using ElvUI as my base and im just toying around with the UI, would have been nice if you could keep blizzards default frames and just remove the extra shit

Been using elvui unit frames for years

[main bridge]

Doesn’t ElvUI do it?

[coral ibex]

people say cell is less resource intensive than elvui

[wide quail]

what is the best way to track debuff in the nameplate?

[coral ibex]

any knowers

[novel star]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

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[wide quail]

changing the color of the nameplate or the border?

[novel star]

oh

[coral ibex]

"best" is subjective

[novel star]

i dont know whatever works for you dawg

[coral ibex]

its whatever makes sense for you

[novel star]

its your ui

[wide quail]

what do you do? border or color?

[coral ibex]

some people change colors, some track debuff icons

[novel star]

i do neither

[coral ibex]

i do both

[novel star]

i just look at icons

[wide quail]

i am nto fan of icons

[novel star]

asking other people what you should do for your ui wont get you anywhere

try icons try borders try colours try any combination of the 3 and find what works for your brain

[wide quail]

learn from their experenise 😄

i am thinking coloring the nameplate is good

[novel star]

everyone else who has their perfect ui also found out what it was by experimenting

if you think colours would work for you then try it

and if it works it works

[coral ibex]

i use icons with glows

and also recoloring

depends on what the debuff is

[wide quail]

icons with glow.. hmmm.. sounds good

[grim jay]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[coral ibex]

poisons and bleeds (other than CT) get icons

[gray raven]

Jundies is really good too

[coral ibex]

DSM/caustic/DM/CT recolor the nameplate or border

[mint urchin]

I never understood the mark + caustic route but to each their own

Not like you ever setup caustic on a non mark target

Unless things have gone really south

[timid bramble]

u called?

[normal mist]

xD

[torn dome]

anyone got a CP tracker WA that shows supercharged CPs?

[forest nacelle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[mint urchin]

You sharing caustic with everyone?

[dense cedar]

there's no reason to track this

[torn dome]

that was the answer i was hoping for

[marsh fjord]

I just found other bug 💀

[dense cedar]

oh?

[marsh fjord]

my darknest night is not giving me 40 energy back

[dense cedar]

do u got

video

[marsh fjord]

no. was just in a boosting key i did

Mabye someoen else can test

if they get 40 energy back

after consume

it was a street + gambit

[mint summit]

Last boss of dawnbreaker my darkest night never actually appeared. Neither did my death mark. Was sadge

[marsh fjord]

yeah you gotta vanish because it runs out because of 30 seconds

thats no bug

[dense cedar]

its feature

[mint summit]

On both stages though?

[marsh fjord]

no only when he flies away

[lost wharf]

I'm on 1st boss mythic now and I'm so tilted by the random 4pc bug -.- I think I'm going sub...

[dense cedar]

you pressed ambush on the boss and it didn't give dsm?

[zinc vale]

!wa

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[mint summit]

Yeah

[dense cedar]

sub so shit for that fight, hold strong

[flint escarp]

have people started replacing the disc belt yet? When does it fall off?

[coral ibex]

when the sim says to

prob like 710 ilvl

[lost wharf]

Yea I bet, but this is also annoying

[lost wharf]

I replaced mine already with a 704 raid belt

[dense cedar]

r u getting the too much cdr or non cdr bug

[lost wharf]

Coz I have too much Mastery

[dense cedar]

did u check

[flint escarp]

you can have too much mastery??

[dense cedar]

if the crit variant was better

[novel star]

shrimply hold your cds

[echo heath]

save us whispyr

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/its-as-shrimple-as-that-shrimple-simple-shrimp-shrimply-gif-26613415

[dense talon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lost wharf]

Well my sim always told me to remove Mastery and get more of the other stats. Maybe it's different now

[dense cedar]

you can sim each of the stat variant of the belt + your regular belt

to see what's better

[lost wharf]

Not sure. Feels like I get cdr on Deathmark and none on KB

[dense cedar]

like your kb has longer cd than cold blood?

[golden loom]

Cant wait to wake up tomorrow with patch notes of bug fixes

[drifting cloud]

@runic hinge this one is for you

[runic hinge]

fatebound keys?

[drifting cloud]

forgeweaver lol

[runic hinge]

You are gaming

[strange python]

I quit for like 5 months, hows sin doing?

[main bridge]

Buggy but still good

[strange python]

still near the top damage wise for m+?

[runic hinge]

oh yeah

[strange python]

Tight, i'll have to revive my rogue then

[lost wharf]

Haven't looked at cb, but like my KB is up and my Deathmark has 30s left.

[lost wharf]

Yea I forgot. Doing that now

Yea, it says crit is better.

[dense cedar]

if u just get the double cd bug, you can use cold blood to track your cd uses

since it doesn't get moved by it

[grizzled geyser]

in m+, with the bleed build, and assuming we enter a new pull with DN already up, do we still ambush or not? I feel like I use a lot of globals on at least 2-3 ruptures and a CT before I would build up to a 7cp env to proc the mark otherwise, sometimes DN might even run out before that
but then theres the bug where we apparently cannot consume mark stacks anyway if we still have DN up... kinda confused on whats the go to at this point

[sick wind]

what type of bug have rogue asa ?

[grizzled geyser]

many, check pins

[sick wind]

ty yall

[echo heath]

yes you still ambush, check whispyrs guide on the timing

[grizzled geyser]

I read that guide, but it's long and there is a lot in there. Can you point me to where exactly this is covered?

[main bridge]

is there some reason you can't just search "ambush"

or read the DSM talent

[oblique slate]

does anyone know if the rogue dev is aware of the bugs of the spec?

does he read here often

[coral ibex]

the bugs are reported to blizzard

[pliant remnant]

He would know, if he existed

[gritty laurel]

is the rogue dev in the room with us now?

[echo heath]

is this the same rogue dev who got death threats from members of this discord and so stopped coming by?

[weary stump]

Rogue dev? I think you mean devourer dh creator

[normal mist]

People can't behave

Why would they return

[weary stump]

We can beehive which is admittedly far worse (I'm sorry)

[grizzled geyser]

Obv the opener section and general rotation lists ambush as first prio to apply mark, but I don't see it specified if you would still do that if you already have DN up, is what im saying/asking
It also lists spending DN as soon as possible as 2nd prio, but obviously you dont run into a pack, ambush a target, and spend the next finisher on an envenom (assuming you still have DN up from the last pull) before applying any bleeds, so it isnt as simple as just following that prio no matter what
Im not trolling i swear xd

[coral ibex]

why do you think you dont spend the DN first?

you will cycle marks by sending ruptures into your target with IC up

you're just delaying another DN envenom

[grizzled geyser]

you are telling me to ambush and then spend DN immediatly before any ruptures during my ic window? i dont think ive ever seen someone do that

[dense cove]

Have most of you adjusted your spell queue window? If so, did you notice a difference?

[normal mist]

usually we dont even adjust that

its something not really worth touching

[main bridge]

adjusting SQW is streamer clickbait

people want to believe it's the one weird trick holding them back but there's not a reason to change it

[grizzled geyser]

assuming this opener, but I have DN up before I go in. Do i Env before the first rupture?

[coral ibex]

you are probably overthinking this, if you have DN you dont need to open with ambush

[grizzled geyser]

THAT is the question

[coral ibex]

oh

lol

[grizzled geyser]

and i get conflicting answers on that

[ocean quiver]

Question, current gear atm, I do have hero legs in my bag that I can use on the catalyst, is that worth doing right now? that way all my pieces are hero (besides ring)

[coral ibex]

but due to how subterfuge works you might end up pressing ambush while your next DN is up

applying marks in DN

its not really that big of a deal

bc you're not applying caustic spatter before that first mutilate anyway, so consuming DN as you walk up to the pack just gets you cycling marks faster

ideally you walk up with 7cp and DN

[grizzled geyser]

i just wanna get into the flow and get the basics down, and with how many finishers the bleed build tends to spend before the first envenom (2-3 ruptures, CT), I wanna know the correct approach. I realize mark is bugged and it doesnt deplete stacks when you have mark on the target and DN buff still up, but the other shit from the hero tree should still work right

[idle light]

I would wait for vault tomorrow

[dense cedar]

wait for ur vault

i get 4p from catalyst next week

lucky me!

[grizzled geyser]

also, does shiv with 4set deplete a mark-stack from the target when I still have DN buff on me? I dont have 4 set yet to test

[coral ibex]

you have all the right steps, you just need to be ok with consuming DN as a priority over literally everything else in the rotation

[grizzled geyser]

assuming i ambushed it but have DN up

[coral ibex]

yes

you can have DN + 2 stacks

[grizzled geyser]

so that part isnt bugged?

[coral ibex]

this is new behavior since the s3 4p

[grizzled geyser]

yes

hence my question

[coral ibex]

i dont know what your question is

if you have DN and 3 marks and consume DN, you do not consume a mark

that hasn't changed since the s1 "bug" was introduced

[grizzled geyser]

my understanding: I ambush target, target has 3 mark stacks. when i still have a DN buff on me, these stacks cannot be reduced. does shiv still reduce it?

[coral ibex]

yes

[grizzled geyser]

or is that shiv "bad" at that point because it cannot take a stack

[grizzled geyser]

okay cool

[dense cedar]

legit just gen an envenom out

don't have to think about any of this

IC is long enough to apply garrotes and ruptures

even if u ambush

ambush criting or having more than 0 cp going into the next pack

ambush + gar with be enough to envenom

then u can just garrote twice > rupture etc

[ocean quiver]

I’m eu but yeah I can just wait

Got 4pc alr now

[broken lynx]

I watched a vid from kiratank where he Said casual is not playing assa because it got a Hidden 15 % nerf fake news or real?

[echo heath]

no one knows who that is

[coral ibex]

better go ask them

[main bridge]

There are lots of bugs and numbers floating around but I’m not sure where the numbers come from because you can’t sim bugs that aren’t implemented

I’m sure if you ask that person they will also have no source

[blazing parcel]

why vers mastry give me more fucking sim

than crit mastery

😄

[main bridge]

Because all stats are good

[blazing parcel]

but it feels shit with vers mastry

zero combo point generate

[ocean quiver]

Why do we vanish after kingsbane?

[blazing parcel]

zero energy

[ocean quiver]

In single target fb

[main bridge]

Double jeopardy

[dense cedar]

?

u can't feel haste like at all as far as energy regen is concerned

[blazing parcel]

i know

[ocean quiver]

What’s that

[main bridge]

Talent

It’s worth reading all of your talents

[ocean quiver]

Yeah

💀

[blazing parcel]

14k vers
19k mastry
5k haste
8k Crit
is that good ? 😐

[ocean quiver]

I’ll check after I ate my food thanks

[blazing parcel]

sim says its best in my slots

[coral ibex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[ocean quiver]

I did read the guide on wowhead but it doesn’t actually say it

[dense cedar]

unless ur sim settings are fucked up, ur stats don't actually mean anything

PLS MODS

[blazing parcel]

hmm

[dense cedar]

ADD DOUBLE JEP COMMAND

[ocean quiver]

Ooooh damn

I never once pressed vanish

[echo heath]

what the fuck is a spell queue window?

[ocean quiver]

Until I seen rotation guide

[dense cedar]

don't worry about it

[keen spruce]

the only stat that matters is agility

everything else is just vers with extra steps

[tall atlas]

so what we leaning towards this patch assa or sin

[dense cedar]

perhaps a combo of the two

call it uh

assassin

[echo heath]

probably mutilate

[keen spruce]

just call it ass

[humble verge]

eh.....

[blazing scroll]

!wa

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[spice spire]

Tonepus

[magic ravine]

Hi folks, i have 2 catalysts right now , how big of a dps difference is 2pc vs no piece at all?

Is it a big impact?

[dense cedar]

Yes

tho you should use them on at least hero tier peices

[magic ravine]

Yeah i thought so

[dense cedar]

if ur not gonna raid

[magic ravine]

im 690 atm but still

a lot of pieces arent hero

[dense cedar]

like the damage gain is worth it on champ

but its kinda wack long-term

[magic ravine]

Ok , ill wait for reset and pray for vault 😄

[humble verge]

thats my officer whos doing sub causei dont xd

[dapper halo]

fucking finally

[dense cedar]

do u have 2 3/6 trinks?

[austere fog]

So is Sub bettre then Assas this season for raid ST

[dense cedar]

Not at all

[austere fog]

i took a break last season at the end just came back for S#

s3

[dapper halo]

two what trinkets

[austere fog]

awesome beacuse i like assass

fatebound is better tho right

witht he new tier set bonush

[dense cedar]

you play FB for ST yeah

evne wihtout

tier

[austere fog]

from my reserach its showing you play FB now

[dense cedar]

FB better than DS

[austere fog]

anything i should know

[dapper halo]

what does 2 3 / 6 trinkets mean

[austere fog]

like should i try to keep shiv on target

when i can

for extra bleed daamge

and make sure i have shiv kingsband for 2min CD

[dense cedar]

3/6 heroic trinks

2 of them

so u can upgrade it for free

[austere fog]

any tips or tricks i should know for this season for Raid content playing the new FB build

[dapper halo]

uhh... i guess not

since i cant upgrade that one

[dense cedar]

i'd suggest waiting till then

[dapper halo]

gotta wait for reset

[dense cedar]

so u don't have to use the crests on it

till getting it to 4 or higher

[grim valley]

hello, should we use envenom 7cp when cold blood? Or we still go for 5+

[dense cedar]

5+

[dapper halo]

wasnt it so that if you have dankest night on, you gotta do full cp envenom

[grim valley]

And with ds build in mm+, what’s ur opener when 10+mob ? How many garrote/rupt before prio target

[scarlet orbit]

With darkenst night you finish on 7 yes but thats the only case and cb is only skilled in fatebound so no darkest night so 5+ cp anywhere

[dense cedar]

you don't play cold blood with Deathstalker

[dapper halo]

well ofcourse not ;3

[west crown]

Depends on how many of those 10 mobs actually are living in the pull. Spreading to most if not all mobs isn’t a bad idea generally.

[zenith holly]

What o you guys do to keep track of which mob has the Deathstalker's Mark?

[west crown]

!wa

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[dense cedar]

plater profile that has visual tell for marked target

[austere fog]

is there anythjing i should know about teh FB coin flipping like a tracker to watch it or it doesnt matter

its just luck

i was wondering if i should use vanish for the double match if i happent oget tails few times in a row

for a chacne to get high stack of tails

[dense cedar]

do u have tier?

[austere fog]

i havent played FB at all this xpack so

not yet

but for when i do have tier

im just curious

im sure ill have tier within a week ro 2

[dense cedar]

well even now

you use vanish to double flip edge case coins

[austere fog]

just curious whats important to know for the rotation

[dense cedar]

in our DM window

[west crown]

Read the guide. Watch the video. There is a cd sequence you need to learn or you will do no damage

Otherwise it’s normal sin

[austere fog]

what does that mean edge case coins

wheres the video

[dense cedar]

read the hero talents

[austere fog]

couldnt find any new videos

[west crown]

Whispyr on YouTube

[austere fog]

i am

i dont see the term edge case on any of the talents

[west crown]

Isn’t it on the first one?

Basically means, flip both sides at once

[lucid yew]

no-one likes looking they wanna be told 😛

[dense cedar]

its literally the name of one of the talents

just type it in the talent search bar

[lucid yew]

youtube is great or wowhead from him

[austere fog]

i already did the wowhead research

ill have to find the video

i dont udnerstand FB really and what i have to look out for

and wha ti should be doing to maximize my damage in it

been playing DS all xpack

[dense cedar]

you press the opener sequence in order

does most damage

then when you have 2pc of tier

[dapper halo]

fb doenst really need much understanding

[dense cedar]

it gives u lucky coin

other than that

there's basically no gameplay change

[austere fog]

like should i use CB when i have like 2 or 3 matches

[dense cedar]

4p adds a change but

[austere fog]

that way i increase my matches

[dense cedar]

its just aboout not using a shiv pointlessly

[dense cedar]

you use vanish and cold blood

for edge case

nothing else

[west crown]

It only changes your cds and you get more combo points on mutilate. Congrats those are the changes

[dense cedar]

u don't game the system at all

[austere fog]

so when i use DM vanish CB does what exactly

give me multipel stacks of head and tails

[long hawk]

It still worth to play sin with all the bugs?

[dense cedar]

its still competitive in M+, but if u wanna sub is fine

[west crown]

Personally I farmed out lily and am playing sub next raid

[clever sparrow]

anyone can droptimizer sim me? 😄

[long hawk]

Guarantees two of the same flips no?

[dense cedar]

and the FB bugs are more just annoying than anything else

[austere fog]

where are Whysper vidoes

[long hawk]

Cool because I’m not geared at all for sub

[austere fog]

i tried lookiong them up online nothing came up

[dense cedar]

youtube channel

[west crown]

Read the guide

[austere fog]

yeah im on youtube.

i did.

[dense cedar]

he's literally the first result for his name

[austere fog]

just want to make sure im understanding it correctly

[dense cedar]

since its not even a word

[west crown]

You didn’t read it enough if you have this many questions

[thorn thorn]

https://youtu.be/HZXEXxFABJM?si=pofaju6FPdCE_hr6

[austere fog]

the way its worded

im not sure how it works

[west crown]

Most of your questions are just spelled out in plain English

[cursive marsh]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[austere fog]

well you dont have to be a dickj

thats why i came here

[gentle delta]

if here im already on 5+ cp after kingsbane do i need to mutilate still or do i just send envenom?

[austere fog]

most people are usually helpfull

if you dotn ahve anything nice teo say then dont talk>??>

idk

[west crown]

Must be new here

[austere fog]

dont ahve to be rude.

not at all

been palying roguef ro 20 years.

[dense cedar]

just send

[austere fog]

i havent palyed in 4 months

and i started late this season

mim day 2 back

[marsh fjord]

Let’s take a breather please

[austere fog]

trying to catch up as fast as i can

[lucid yew]

playing rogue for 20 years but cant look up a name in youtube??

[austere fog]

thats all.

[long hawk]

Chill out guys

[austere fog]

i typed his name in

[keen spruce]

if you follow the rest of the CDs correctly that won't happen

[austere fog]

and nothing came up.

[west crown]

You’re just new to the discord is what I’m saying. My “rudeness” is polite compared to the regulars

[long hawk]

Or the discord will actually have to get shutdown

[dense cedar]

it can

[marsh fjord]

Pls go fight in DMs I gotta complain about more bugs

[gentle delta]

[dense cedar]

tails coin flips that crit give cp

so u can vanish dm

[austere fog]

your right i could just ignore.

[dense cedar]

and be at like 4 cp

[austere fog]

ill just do that

[dense cedar]

3cp*

[austere fog]

problem solved.

[long hawk]

I finally get 4pc tomorrow I get to do dmg

[dense cedar]

but not caster damage

[thorn thorn]

I wish i could help you here

But i refuse to play fatebound

[dense cedar]

why

[long hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-20581738

[thorn thorn]

Cringe rng

[long hawk]

Free thinker over here

[keen spruce]

so if both coins crit and KB crits

[dense cedar]

wdym

[keen spruce]

what a weird time

[thorn thorn]

Free thinker is a funny way of saying dumb

[thorn thorn]

Fatebound is cringe

[zenith prairie]

Does spatter bug change any raid talents? Or is deathstalker still best on Araz/binder

[dense cedar]

fatebound is a coinflip where you win on any result

[thorn thorn]

So is deathstalker

But wcyd

[dense cedar]

fatebound real bad for those fights so yes

[thorn thorn]

Maybe we get lucky and they get remade

[keen spruce]

I mean yeah managing mark is super lame

[dense cedar]

fatebound has no gameplay but beyond that there's nothing wrong with it

(with tier)

like

[long hawk]

Play sub for those ez

[keen spruce]

but I also think all hero talents are half baked and dumb

[dense cedar]

midnight it for sure adding the 2pc effect baseline

[dense cedar]

tru!

[shy axle]

how do you like prism in m+ ? or do you prefer it over "direct" trinkets like forge or lilly?

did not try it as assa yet

[long hawk]

Pref the 4pc effect, that Cdr is great

[keen spruce]

nvm I was wrong

[dense cedar]

feels good outside of no first pull on-use

[thorn thorn]

the rogue ones they forgot to have the oven on for

[keen spruce]

I just really don't see how either hero talents has anything to do with assas

like fatebound is very much just an outlaw-vibe

and deathstalker is very much just a sub vibe

[dense cedar]

idk, the lucky coin just being a thing u have because you played properly is a good effect

[thorn thorn]

Eh

[dense cedar]

tho like

[thorn thorn]

Deathstalker kinda fits

[long hawk]

They should just make us 1:30 and 45 seconds baseline

[dense cedar]

lucky coin could jsut not exist

[thorn thorn]

Sorta

[dense cedar]

no

[keen spruce]

🙉

no

[thorn thorn]

[long hawk]

Why not?

[dense cedar]

I like the rogue specs having different cds by default

like with sin being 2m and sub being 1.5

[austere fog]

thanks for video post

let me strap in here

and watch this 3 hour video

[dense cedar]

fights where 2m is better

makes sin feel better

[austere fog]

im sure ill have it all explaiend after this video

[dense cedar]

and fights that are 1.5/3m

[thorn thorn]

I think the better question is what is the benefit of 45/1.5

[dense cedar]

sub gets to shine more

[austere fog]

he seems to go over every little thing

[dense cedar]

like if both specs are 1.5m burst all the time

[long hawk]

Most fights nowadays seem to favour 1.5m

[dense cedar]

they fall even more into just being a tuning pit

[lunar pond]

This basically. Put in the Fatebound tree. Change the 4 piece to Lucky Coin making tails crits to give CP and Heads Flips to give energy

[dense cedar]

that's a negative that should be rectified

not have the game warp specs around that fact

[keen spruce]

45/1.5 is the most cursed CD timers

[long hawk]

I think it should be a mix

[keen spruce]

2m class supremacy

[long hawk]

Being able to get one extra dm/kb use is in some fights is pretty nice

[keen spruce]

sub being 1:30/3 is fine with some smaller windows in between

and OL having basically a flat bar of damage gives them their own niche

[dense cedar]

yes but that gain only matter when that occurs

any time it doesn't its irrelevant

its better design for the class to have a spec that's 2m burst

and is good when that lines well with a fight timeline

[long hawk]

If they don’t make it baselines I still think it’d be cool if they kept the 4pc effect for fb only

[dense cedar]

rather than just having two 1.5m specs

[long hawk]

That way fb is relevant for future expacs

[dense cedar]

FB would be relevant without it

[long hawk]

You think so?

[dense cedar]

its does giga ST damage

[tribal spear]

hey guys. i heard alot about bugs on assa-rogue. i got the problem that i cant get good ST damage out auf my mythic plus specc. iam fine with AOE but boss damage ist pretty bad. iam pretty shure i dont do something wrong. is there a bug related to our ST damage or am i just bad?

[dense cedar]

like its already better than DS without tier

for single target

its just gets really good qol for 2pc

[long hawk]

True, issue is not many bosses in raid end up being pure single target or at least enough single target that it’s fine to use it

[keen spruce]

assas in m+ just doesn't really do ST damage

[dense cedar]

and a different burst timeline from 4p

and the 4p is only really good because this tier favours it

[long hawk]

Without funnel

[clever sparrow]

idk why tf my hero sims versa higher than haste

[dense cedar]

cos all stats are vers

[keen spruce]

all stats are just vers with extra steps man

[dense cedar]

legit

don't care about their names

just use what gives you damage

[tribal spear]

iam really hard behind my mates (frost mage and windwalker)

[keen spruce]

you need to make up overall in AoE, kind of how assas has been all xpac

[clever sparrow]

tooo lazy to farm this

[dense cedar]

wtf do u have in ur neck slot

can u like

[keen spruce]

mega mommy medal

[dense cedar]

send this sim link

[clever sparrow]

...

[long hawk]

Overall? Or bosses?

[clever sparrow]

HASTE mastery one

from hoa

i guess?

[tribal spear]

bosses

[dense cedar]

just post the sim rq

[long hawk]

Overall I tend to shit on anyone that isn’t a frost dk or ele

[dense cedar]

i gotta look at this thing

[clever sparrow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k9HeSvmC6x8VMiQgr7nL7U

xd

[long hawk]

Ahh yh

[dense cedar]

what is going on with ur sim settings

2m 5 target?

[coral ibex]

patchwerk 5t

[long hawk]

Holy

[clever sparrow]

dungeon slice take a year in droptimizer 😭

[dense cedar]

well yeah

but who cares

[waxen oyster]

Male blood elf

[analog field]

but this doesnt work

xd

[waxen oyster]

what are we doing

[dense cedar]

do u want slow correct info

[waxen oyster]

[coral ibex]

dungeon slice is accurate

[dense cedar]

or fast wrong info

[long hawk]

[dense cedar]

i ccould jus lie to you really fast

better speed than a droptemizer

[long hawk]

What are these sims brother

[dense cedar]

go far an intellect 1h

[clever sparrow]

I HATE THIS ROGUE

[dense cedar]

and use that instead of a dagger in ur oh

[long hawk]

Loool

[analog field]

stop speaking our secrets

[clever sparrow]

HMMm

[analog field]

how will we parse

[waxen oyster]

you can change it at the barbershop

[long hawk]

No such thing

[waxen oyster]

idk how wow barbershops come with a sex change

but they do

[clever sparrow]

Female Belf???? its even worse

ngl

[long hawk]

GTA barber could never

[clever sparrow]

female belf legs are like chicken

stick woman

[waxen oyster]

🍔

americacore

[dense cedar]

@clever sparrow why do u not have any gems

[long hawk]

Nobody even talked about echo killing yesterday

[clever sparrow]

gold is hard to earn man

[long hawk]

It’s really first or nothing out here

Even tho they cooked

[dense cedar]

ur not gonna replace those bits with myth track fast enough for it to cost u anything

[waxen oyster]

EU COPE "11hr advantage"

[long hawk]

[austere fog]

So i should be using Cold blood with kingsbane in my DM window?

[clever sparrow]

hmmm

[long hawk]

Yes baby

[austere fog]

i can macro Kingsbane and CB together?

then i vanish

[long hawk]

Yes my love

[clever sparrow]

what if i drop a myth track on the vault this week?

[austere fog]

for the guarnateed 7 coins

with set bonus

[dense cedar]

can macro them together, but the cb doesn't buff the kingsbane

[long hawk]

Affirmative dear

[dense cedar]

its for the envenoms you do after kingsbane

[austere fog]

it buffs envenom

yeah i understrand that

but its just easier

[long hawk]

Correct darling

[austere fog]

to use it

[dense cedar]

but ye just macro and forget

[austere fog]

got it

thank you

just to get it done

and use it

your not using it for big crit

your using it for the buff

on evneom

[thorn thorn]

The EU cope is real

[austere fog]

awesome

[wanton field]

yo guys someone can tell me whats the ID of the debuff crimson tempest for my plater pls ?

[thorn thorn]

The gingiemp program was slacking

[long hawk]

Echo on top in my heart

[dense cedar]

the first set of world quests in the week would be near enough gold for 2 settings and 2 gems

[austere fog]

can i just make a simple macro like /cast Coldblood /cast kingsbane

on seperate lines?

[long hawk]

Yes

[austere fog]

kk cool

[clever sparrow]

which ones should i put gem on tbh
my neck sucks same for one of my rings

[long hawk]

Boffem

[dense cedar]

all of it

[thorn thorn]

Your heart must be in hell

[dense cedar]

you'd probably want at least 4 sockets + belt socket

for rainbow diamond

[long hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-so-hot-hotter-than-hell-burning-hot-no-ac-gif-1448920881060628233

[austere fog]

ise CB /use Cold blood?

macro isnt working

[long hawk]

/cast

Not /use

[austere fog]

thats what i did

[dense cedar]

/use is items

[analog field]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[clever sparrow]

what is it 😄

[austere fog]

and its not using it

[long hawk]

Oh it’s bugged

Re log

Happens with sub too

[dense cedar]

SUB PLAYER??

[austere fog]

oh duuh

its 2 words

[dense cedar]

smh

[austere fog]

i made it 1 word

[long hawk]

Hands up

[dense cedar]

oh

LMAOaiuwdhi

that's so fucking funny

i remember when i fucked my vanish macro

cos i typed /cast vansih

[long hawk]

Sub was my first love I’m sorry

[dense cedar]

sin was my first cos I thought vendetta was cool

[long hawk]

I swapped to it in uldir from re pala

[dense cedar]

your soul was saved

[long hawk]

Indeed

The light didn’t enlighten me, it just made me dumber

[clever sparrow]

mine was combat

mace rogue

never forget that

[dense cedar]

i find the whining for combat really funny at this point

[clever sparrow]

combat was dog sht ngl

it was like warrior with 1h weapons

[dense cedar]

there are people that still think it could ever return

[clever sparrow]

like why it exists xd

[dense cedar]

been almsot a decade now

of outlaw

[clever sparrow]

outlaw needs a huge rework imo

its fun

but not rewarding

[dense cedar]

@clever sparrow if u want real results from a sim use a recommended setup btw

[clever sparrow]

like its hard for no reason

[dense cedar]

even if its slow

the sim you did is just giving u fucked info

[clever sparrow]

im simming on dungeon slice rn

[dense cedar]

did u turn consumables and bloodlust on?

[austere fog]

you all still playing Deathstalker for keystones?

[dense cedar]

yes

[austere fog]

and for Add itensive raid fights

[dense cedar]

fatebound is worse than bugged ds

[clever sparrow]

optimal raid buffs 😄

[austere fog]

alright cool i know that build by heart dont need help there

[austere fog]

yeah i c now FB is simple

outside of the DM window

its the same

[dense cedar]

should not do dslice with those all on

[austere fog]

and simple rotation

[thorn thorn]

@humble verge

[dense cedar]

since you can't ever have that happen

[thorn thorn]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExYmE4dmowYzZ4OXF6eGN1bnphZHBpazlhc3Y3YWx1bGpmOXVyaXE0ciZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/bDJlfnxWnjbEdQ7C39/giphy.gif

[austere fog]

lololollololol

you know he was mad.

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-ronald-mcdonald-gif-25638749

i played sub

for 2 hours

i was forced

[dense cedar]

don't find sub fun?

fairynuff

[clever sparrow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oRAh2TS9k66qCVteygtzn9
well it suggests me the cursed stone trinket
on trinket 2? i guess?
which one of my trinkets is the "trinket 2"

[austere fog]

i like sub but idk ive always geared for Assass

never have the Versailtiy and mastery crit combo enough for it to be top tier

im always stacking amstery over Vers so my sub isnt what it could be

its still better on certain fights thso i have found

[dense cedar]

why did you sim with such a weird selection of buffs and consumables

[austere fog]

even if im not stat checked for it

[thorn thorn]

[dense cedar]

its like ur trying to get bad results

[clever sparrow]

i always use these consumables..

[dense cedar]

no food?

[clever sparrow]

alchemical chaos 2 + tempered 2

[clever sparrow]

expensive

[dense cedar]

no waeapon oil or stone

expensive/??

[clever sparrow]

expensive

[dense cedar]

beledar bounty or whatever its called is like

[clever sparrow]

not doing 14s

[dense cedar]

20 gold a pop

again like

a single wq would give you like 40 food

[cunning scaffold]

Honestly just get the vers/mast rings from priory and dawnbreaker, and the neck from floodgate and you’ll be chillin as sub wearing your assassination gear

[dense cedar]

i don't think you should spend real money for gold but maybe you really need to buy a wow token

[austere fog]

so i c the luckfaster is the fact you get either heads or tails

dojnt amtter what you get

as long as you follow rotation

[dense cedar]

if food is too much for u to afford

[austere fog]

but tails is better

it looks

bigger damage increase

on ST

you will get a better sim if you hit tails on that first coin

before you gaurantee the match

[dense cedar]

@austere fog so much of ur fatebound damage is during DM, that the random flipping of other coins outside of burst is mostly irreleveant

[austere fog]

i just got a lucky coin without the set bonus so that was lucky

once i get the tier set

it beacomes inevitavble

you automatically get the lucky coin

gotcha

thanks for the help

[dense cedar]

if done properly

[austere fog]

im gonna finish watching this video

just for a refresher

yeah i just did it a few times

i got it down

its simple

[dense cedar]

ye

fb ezpz

[austere fog]

practicing on a dummy

nice that was an easy transition

to learn that

i always say rogue is easy to learn

very hard to master

kind of like chess

when you add Mythic raid mechanics intot he mix

[dense cedar]

combo points railroad your rotation in a way that makes it pretty easy to pick up imo

[austere fog]

yeah nice im excited to try FB this season

now i just need geart

i started this season 2 weeks late

and im running 2's....

sadly

so hard to catch up and find groups right now

everyones already running 10's

[dense cedar]

if you get 2k m+ score and at least 1 random piece of tier from LFR or vault

you can have 4p next week

[austere fog]

yeah im gonna do raid finder now

[dense cedar]

since we will be up to 3 charges

[austere fog]

and maybe use the gear transfer thing

for anotehr tier piece

try and get 2 piece right now

[dense cedar]

i'd suggest waiting for a hero track piece

[austere fog]

really?? even those that 2 piece if vital

[dense cedar]

to not screw urself long term when not raiding

[austere fog]

for the set bonush

i was gonna use it on a champion piece

just to get my 2 piece

right away

i guess it dont matter

if i have to wait a week

ill stil be undergeared your right

ill wait for hero piece

[dense cedar]

you can get hero tier pieces from vault

so wouln't even need to cata

[scarlet orbit]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[dense cedar]

and if not tier

[austere fog]

does doing 2's guarantee hero tier

in vault

[dense cedar]

jsut a regualr hero piece

[austere fog]

694 item level

from 2's

is that hero track?

i mean hopefully i can get some 4's 5's in before this week si over

[dense cedar]

yes

[upper spear]

QQ. Why do we cast vanish during DM when playing Fatebound?

[dense cedar]

also tier 8 delves

make your world/delve track give heroic

[coral ibex]

fatebound talent

[dense cedar]

im going fucking insane

[coral ibex]

its ok someone will ask again in 5 minutes

[austere fog]

are the BiS trinkets in that new dungeon?

for this season

going off wowhead

suggestions

[dense cedar]

all the strongest trinkets rn are raid ones

but lily is a good on-use

[austere fog]

yeah until i get into raid

hoping i can get geared quick enough and get back on my raid team

[dense cedar]

and stuff like sacbrood, pacemaker, and crystal are good passives

[austere fog]

we were 7/8 mythic last season

[dense cedar]

depending on your stats

[austere fog]

i got burnt out

i took a long break

before s3

raiding 3 days a week and workign 2 jobs

wow was a third job

and we were in that recruting stage trying to find good player.s

[little night]

wow is life bro

[austere fog]

so there were some stressfull weeks

of wiping

took us like a whole month to kill junkboss

wiping 9 hours a week on 1 boss can really drive you up a wall

[dense cedar]

stix bunkjunker?

[austere fog]

especailly when tis the same 5 people not doing the garabage ball correctly

yeah

[dense cedar]

that guy was pretty fucked up tbh

[austere fog]

once we killed him tho we got 7/8 fairly quickly

it was just mastering the ball mechanic

every player needed to be on point

and grab adds

alot of personal responsibiltiy on that fighjt

[spring moat]

First time ?

[austere fog]

hahaha no

not my first time raiding

[clever sparrow]

it dispells on death tho

[upper spear]

context can help, or make things way the fuck worse. I like to look at average wipes on Mythic bosses to see where my groups at in Prog.

[austere fog]

ive been playing my rogue since classic

[clever sparrow]

i buy my wow token with gold tbh xd

[dense cedar]

that's cheaper than a repair

[austere fog]

i got like 400days played on my rogue

[dense cedar]

well no wonder ur improverished

[austere fog]

i buy my wow token with money

[echo heath]

imagine being poor

[clever sparrow]

its hard in this country to pay it with real money ngl

[austere fog]

i dont have the time to farm herbs and ore for giold anymore

[dense cedar]

fairynuff

[clever sparrow]

imagine living in a 3rd world contery 😄

[woven frost]

Posted Whispyr’s bug list to the forums. Lord knows if it will do anything but it’s there now: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/assassination-rogue-bugs/2156973

[spring moat]

we got queen after 298 pulls, I was not there for the first kill big sad

[clever sparrow]

will they even read it?

[upper spear]

can they read?

[clever sparrow]

i dont think so

[woven frost]

I mean that’s why the video is linked too

[haughty flicker]

i genuinely hope that nobody reads the forums

[upper spear]

remember to black powder!

[woven frost]

Couldn’t assume reading comprehension

Well they made it so the forum is the only way to report a bug now

RIP QA teams

Maybe if we flood the hell out of it, it’ll pique their curiosity.

[dense cedar]

they will introduce new bug

where daggers fully break durability after pressing 1 ability

[woven frost]

You’re not wrong there. “We hotfixed our hotfix and now rogues can’t stealth”

[dense cedar]

i mean legit

we just got that shit

they fixed a bug (gave us damage)

and added a new bug with it (loses us damage)

also they said they fixed something

but didn't

[clever sparrow]

Good News Everyone we managed to delete the class entirley

so no more bugs 😄

[woven frost]

I mean rogue is playable so I’m not mad. It’d be a different story if we were garbage damage.

[dense cedar]

true

[clever sparrow]

we are drowning in bugs still dealing lots of dmg

😄

[dense cedar]

excited for all the people rerolling to sub rogue after watching rwf to actually have to play sub rogue

[woven frost]

But I’m glad to know the FB desyncing CD bug wasn’t just me. I was trying it after playing DS all expac and was like, “WHAT AM I DOING WRONG”

[half tartan]

i really like sub for dungeons atm, sin will likely more overall but the funnel/boss damage feels so good. in pugs deleting a caster or 2 in a big pack makes a big difference(HOA on halkias pulls)

[dense cedar]

sub does have that good idiot protection

of just saying fuck it to your overall to get rid of something that ur tank was gonna wipe the group with

[woven frost]

Sin has been feeling great in M+. Keeps you busy.

[dense cedar]

bleed build is rly fun

glad its a thing

especially not being chained down by DM/KB for aoe damage

[half tartan]

i hate tracking deathstalker on sin, i know there are mouseovers and target last target macros but its still annoying and sometimes you lose a few seconds getting your bearings when there are are a lot of nameplates

[woven frost]

That with a chunky little dry shiv hit. It definitely gives little dopamine blips.

[half tartan]

i wish they would buff up fate in dungeons

it plays so much better

[gray briar]

in german the tierset boni for 2pc AND 4piece is the exakt same texxt... wtf is this?

[tropic surge]

how much dps is all of these bugs costing us?

[woven frost]

I actually love tracking my mark. It’s what keeps it a little interesting.

[dense cedar]

probably just a tooltip error

[minor coyote]

when do we replace the durable information belt?

[woven frost]

It just sucks on the second boss of eco where it drops your mark for no reason

[woven frost]

711

[dense cedar]

i doubt being set to a different language would cause the game to play differently

[dense cedar]

when a new belt you get sims better

[minor coyote]

so hero 6/6 i g?

[dense cedar]

DO NOT

upgrade a belt to 6/6