assassination

[grim jay]

[rotund oak]

he has to precast the hots

uptime is pivotal

but ye

full hot stuff go afk

maybe a swiftmeld here and there

a regrowth

while cleaning ur nails

💅

[balmy condor]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[primal egret]

Sorry if this has been asked but if you dbl proc the 4p cdr what is the correct play? I’ve been holding kb for the 1minute death mark and just delaying trinket.

[haughty flicker]

https://m.twitch.tv/imexile/clip/PrettyModernCheesecakeHeyGirl-KalQfR617CWD7XER

i believe this is considered the correct play

[primal egret]

Holy shit that is so real

[shell plaza]

[flint escarp]

I'm having a really hard time seeing how long I have on my garrotes and ruptures do you guys have a trick or like a WA for that?

[dense cedar]

should use a standard class wa for that

if u mean on other targets

you want a good plater profile

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[dense cedar]

I recommend whispyr's

[flint escarp]

@dense cedar how do you import a plater profile?:)

[thorn thorn]

At this point bro

I wouldnt even trust him to dps

Truthfully

[flint escarp]

thanks a lot that was really helpful

[unreal sparrow]

Almighty assa rogues! I need your help pls with a few questions and it would be lovely if you could help me! When i prepare for my Deathmark CD, i want to have Garotte and Rapture running, do i want to have an active Envenom debuff as well?
And: Should i prep combo points, when i pres Deathmark?

• When do I use shiv, outside of Deathmark? 🙂 Absolutly pres it on CD (and having 2 Shivs for Deathmark, when it comes of the CD?) Or do i want shiv for a specific attack? 🙂

[earnest dust]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[haughty flicker]

if you are playing with kingsbane yes, you want to envenom before pressing deathmark

if you are playing the bleed build in keys you do not have to

you dont need to have combo points going into deathmark

shiv usages varies a bit depending on the build and whether its raid or m+

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[haughty flicker]

any of these guides can explain the basics to you very well

[unreal sparrow]

Yeah, checked them but wasnt sure about this + i see now that the visibilty on mobile trolled me on the guide. Thanks a lot!

[hardy dawn]

Boyz should i craft a 2nd dagger worth 200k dps?

according to sims ofc

[quiet oar]

200K dps

link sim

[balmy condor]

I got 5 bucks that it's a droptimizer with shitetto

[quiet oar]

Or his first dagger is int

🙂

[balmy condor]

oooo

[hardy dawn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sFXWpqVwdqXZKJEJK7sYwH

let me know what im doing wrong xD

[balmy condor]

you got your first crafted dagger in your offhand

[hardy dawn]

Holy shit, i just realized that

i'm fucking dumb

[quiet oar]

[runic hinge]

You can get 200k by swapping them lmao

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1osghbeC5FQ7A38taHVBgK

[hardy dawn]

fml

[balmy condor]

[quiet oar]

Didnt expected that

Whisp and me were wrong

[balmy condor]

also should swap your enchants to something better than depths

depths is awful

[hardy dawn]

should i go for radiant power?

[balmy condor]

like actually the worst option

no

[runic hinge]

Damn where’s my 5 dollars

[balmy condor]

the secondary stat ones

you know what

[hardy dawn]

aight

[balmy condor]

fuck it I'll sim it

this is for m+?

I see you simming an m+ build

[hardy dawn]

yes

should've done dungeon slice

[balmy condor]

np

[stark sorrel]

am I tripping or is sudden demise straight up not working sometimes?

[distant plinth]

huh

[balmy condor]

are you in open world or delves

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9wzZDS9xWVFVyAJpyFebUc that'll take a bit

[stark sorrel]

I did notice it heavily in a mythic where it was doing nothing and in the next it was very high

[balmy condor]

but should have everything

I also added the rings in that you had

they only cost weathered/carved crests and valorstones

which shouldn't be an issue in the slightest

so I just tossed them in for the hell of it

[stark sorrel]

haven't played delves since start of season so I don't know

[balmy condor]

okay

cause it doesn't work outside of instanced content

due to world scaling

works fine in instanced content though

[stark sorrel]

reading into it and some people say it should proc at 35% regardless if its an execute or not and thats doesn't make sense

[hardy dawn]

Thank you Whisp

[midnight mist]

np

[balmy condor]

yeah that doesn't make any sense

[stark sorrel]

ill try more and see

[balmy condor]

you need 150 bleed damage remaining on the target for every 100 health remaining on the target

on top of it being under 35%

so if you have lets say 10 million bleed damage remaining on the target, you would execute when the target dips under 6.6 mil

[peak bison]

@balmy condor can you link your cold blood kingsbane macro by any chance? The ones I find does not work, seems bugged for me as they won't cast CB

[balmy condor]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[balmy condor]

if the macro isn't working, you might've swapped from sub

in which case the game breaks

for fun

[stark sorrel]

heres another question. if there are 2 rogue assassins and one has more bleed and procs it does the second person lose out on the sudden demise damage 👀

[balmy condor]

try relogging

[balmy condor]

well yeah duh

you can't have 2 people killing something lmao

things can only die once

so if one of the rogues executes the target

and it dies

well... its dead

[stark sorrel]

tell that to kelthuzad

[glad shuttle]

James Bond You Only Live Twice disagrees

[midnight mist]

this cb thing is the weirdest thing

like how is it a different spell

but not really

[balmy condor]

well it has to be

[runic hinge]

I cast a spell on you

[balmy condor]

inevitability changes what cold blood does

[midnight mist]

nah but it was never like that tho wasnt it

like my weak aura

that track cb

track cb normally but on fatebound it doesnt work

but its still there

i need to track another cb

[balmy condor]

....yes

that's what I just said

[midnight mist]

but the other one is still there tho

and like there is nothing thats like that in the game tho

[balmy condor]

yes

[midnight mist]

i never had this issue before

first time

[balmy condor]

blindside functions the exact same way

the ambush id from blindside is a different ambush than regular ambush

[midnight mist]

oh well yuo dont have to tell me that

remember audacity ambush is stronger than normal mabush for outlaw

[balmy condor]

okay but you just said there's nothing that like that in the game

[midnight mist]

well like

[balmy condor]

and we just provided two examples that are the exact same thing in the game

[midnight mist]

for example bf deft

im talking about cds tho

but ye

i guess

oh well

[noble fractal]

They fixed the buggs or?

[balmy condor]

no?

it's 1am on a monday

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

[grim jay]

Fake its 10 am

[noble fractal]

yup

[balmy condor]

yeah the famous european timezone that blizzard operates in

[swift whale]

https://tenor.com/view/european-union-flag-gif-europe-alisa-gif-27328817

[balmy condor]

I'm sure they saw the pin I wrote at 2pm on a saturday and the video I released at 4am on a sunday

and decided

"yeah, you know what, he's right. I'm gonna go into the officer on a sunday afternoon, fix all the bugs, and then push it to live servers without any testing"

[grim jay]

Maybe they should start doing that

[balmy condor]

"that's a reasonable course of action that I take at my programming job"

[runic hinge]

It’s 4 am on Monday chop chop

[glad shuttle]

Regression Tests would be a first good start 🤔

[grim jay]

Call me officer, if you are the dev

[ripe charm]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/K4VrdgvtNHTmjWkC?fight=26&type=damage-done&source=11
Can someone please help me out with this? Its damn grey.. 🫡

[balmy condor]

high level stuff right off the bat, you're losing legit like 2% dps because you're running a shit delve belt power for no reason, and you missed a full set of cds cause you kept delaying kingsbane by a couple seconds every time

you're not casting an envenom before going into any of your cds either

on your 3min cds you fucked your vanish super hard

probably could've rupture snipped some of the tangles at a couple points

think you're also severely lacking crit but I can't tell from the overview cause that panel is kinda janky

no crit neck, jastor diamond has no crit

idk what your roulette wheel has but 2/3 accessories not having crit is pretty awful considering it's fatebounds main stat

[haughty flicker]

one of these days im gonna ask whispyr to log review me

[north trout]

Unrelated (probably dumb) question - Let’s say we’re running cursed stone idol as our in-use instead of an on-use mastery trinket. Imagine we’re losing a massive chunk of DPS during fatebound CD windows due to envenom scaling?

[balmy condor]

huh?

but you're critting instead

[static glacier]

think about what happens when both mut hits crit

you end up going mut > env instead of mut mut > env

[ripe charm]

Good points to work on! Like it, 5/5 Stars, thank you, Sir! @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

np

[north trout]

That’s fair, guess the Q Would be is there not a diminishing return point on overall crit in your build where you’d start to really favor mastery on use

[static glacier]

crit without mastery sucks and the reverse is true too]

both give value to the other

[balmy condor]

if you have 40k crit and 0 mast

then mast on use probably good

like think of it as building a fence

I give you 40k stat worth of fencing

and I tell you to make the biggest area you can

are you gonna go 39k stat in one direction and 1k in the other direction?

probably not

[vocal seal]

build the fence !

[balmy condor]

doesn't make sense to full stack one stat, cause then the area you fenced in is dogass skinny

and the total area sucks

the way you maximize area is by making all the side lengths as close to equal as possible

[proper tangle]

In AOE m+ situations where i apply garrote + rupture to let's say 6 targets at the start and then start pumping my prio damage. Do I need to reapply the garrote + rupture to the 6 targets again after the duration or just keep on my main target ?

[balmy condor]

which is kinda how secondaries work in wow as well

obviously it's not PERFECTLY analogous, like of course it's not crit x mastery = dps

there's some differences in value

but in the grand scheme that's kinda true

like you might've noticed that when you full stack crit and mast

all of a sudden you sim and your sim goes "give me a ton of haste"

cause like

you fully invested into 2 stats and forgot the other dimensions of your fence

[quiet oar]

You dont need Crit, when you just hit the 10%

everaytime

(for legal reason this is a joke)

[balmy condor]

rupture yes, garrote no

you want scent of blood, and you want energy

rupture is really good at doing those things

garrote unstealthed is awful

[dense cedar]

crit worthless stat, since all crits are 50/50

you either crit or you don't

[balmy condor]

gives no combo points, does measly damage

[quiet oar]

Excatly

[balmy condor]

the other way to think about stats is that they're all multiplying a base number

say your envenom is 100 damage baseline

then you have agility, mastery, crit, vers

1 point of agility might be 0.8 damage, 1 point of mastery might be 1.2 damage, crit might be 1.1, vers might be 1

but like

if you go "mastery biggest number me put everything mastery"

then you're doing 100 x 1 x 100 x 1 x 1

which isn't really going to be a big number

[proper tangle]

Is there an amount of targets where the cutoff is to apply my dots? I'm thinking 5 targets for the 20% stat increase. Is it worth it to use vanish and then reapply garrote + rupture that way? As I assume the garrote dmg is increased for those 6 seconds after stealth, that count as being stealth.

[balmy condor]

but if you spread it out a little more evenly, like 100 x 20 x 30 x 25 x 25

then gg

bigger number achieved

[neat plank]

bigger number better person

[balmy condor]

• yes, 5 ruptures for scent is the baseline.
• that is basically the entire use case of vanish, yes
• correct

[dense cedar]

assassination is the christmas spec

since its all about red and green

[neat plank]

why is a grid of enemy nameplates not possible? did they just ban the addon or made it impossible to even create one? could I just create a proprietary one and use it for myself? 🙂 trying to snipe nameplates with rupture annoys me

[balmy condor]

wdym by a grid of nameplates

[neat plank]

something like what healers use to play whack a mole with health bars, but instead you would use it with enemies to mouseover rupture on their frames

[balmy condor]

oh

that's cause the API doesn't exist for that

nameplates are inherently attached to their units in game

[haughty flicker]

would kinda make the game fighting the ui instead of fighting enemies

[balmy condor]

you can't decouple the nameplate from the unit

the API allows you to move it around and recolor and resize and whatever

but you can't detach it from the unit

[neat plank]

I see, thx

[north trout]

Makes sense on the stats, used to fury over capping haste so figured there may be some angle where there’s a soft cap. In retrospect I may just be making myself too mast heavy

[static glacier]

ay whisp, do you have any kind of cook for araz incase i can't learn s3 sub fast enough for araz? idk how to play around 4pc bug at all

[proper tangle]

Thank you! Last question: I'm opening from stealth with ambush but does my ambush also apply deathstalker's mark for the 3 seconds after exiting stealth where I can still use ambush or do I HAVE to be in stealth? And I assume it can only apply to one target.

[static glacier]

I can copy cd timers from that 1 kr guy who killed it as sin but it just doesn't line up every 4th pull

[ripe charm]

Compared to other logs, they often have around 100 envenoms and I only casted 66 for the equal amount of mutilate. Also due to the missing crit for combo point procs, ig?

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna be honest I think the cook on araz with all the fuckass bugs is just playing fatebound and you hold prism for the amps and pissvibe

pray everyone in your guild pads aoe hard enough for you to just perma sit boss

[static glacier]

fair, i'm allowed to fullsend boss

[balmy condor]

yeah

[static glacier]

rl approved

[balmy condor]

I would try fatebound

[haughty flicker]

damn wtf

[static glacier]

but ill do mid overall

[balmy condor]

just force yourself to 0:45 timer

in your opener when you hit 7 on a coin

just delay your next finish

wait for the coin to hit you

then continue

it's ass to hit the brakes like that for 1-2 gcds

but you'll avoid the bug

probably.

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

if you do hit the bug, just play around your cold blood cd, rather than kb or dm

[static glacier]

that helps actually

[balmy condor]

you can apply the mark during subterfuge, yes

[balmy condor]

most likely yes. There's also a bug with fatebound tails coins critting giving combo points

so you just double lose

there's also fate intertwined

which is directly just bonus damage on envenom crits

fatebound has a lot of extra crit interactions

[umbral cypress]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[clever sparrow]

guys in a big pull (like arakara first pull to miniboss) HOW DO YOU GUYS SEE UNDER YOUR FEETS?

i always die cause im standing on shit

[balmy condor]

with my eyes

I don't think there's any tricks

[dense cedar]

that first pull is so funny

[balmy condor]

you just

look

[dense cedar]

jsut enough things going on at once it be scary

[glad shuttle]

i case of doubt - press a def

[magic fossil]

@clever sparrow try a crosshair on you type of weakaura if cant see, "everyone" used it on mythic jaina because of the really dense fog, and a lot of people uses till today. you wont see ur character and a (insert color) cross.

may help you

[clever sparrow]

but like there is lots of ally spells there thats my point

[balmy condor]

do you have your spell density turned up or something

[polar jasper]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[clever sparrow]

its on everything...

should i go reduced?

[dense cedar]

esstential

[icy geyser]

!spreadsheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[clever sparrow]

damn

kk

ty

[dense cedar]

in wow essential still sorta sucks

[iron vapor]

Just watched the bug video... Explains why I went from the top of the meters to the bottom half this week!

Well, that and being a bit shit.

[brisk forge]

Feeling you…

[iron vapor]

I suspect they'll 'fix' it in a few weeks

[icy shoal]

Hy guys for assa fate bound what stats in need

[fallen charm]

look at the bright side, if blizzard wants to buff assa, just fix the bad bugs, and for nerfing fix the beneficial bugs

[sharp sinew]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[balmy condor]

agi, crit, mast

[zenith elm]

EVERYTHING

give it all to Papa

[icy shoal]

And what number cap ? 😅

[zenith elm]

NO CAPS

[balmy condor]

what is this

classic?

[zenith elm]

am i back to combat rouging ? ❤️

[sharp sinew]

I got the hero chest of the dh boss can i replace old tier?

[balmy condor]

sim

[zenith elm]

no

[icy shoal]

Wtf no cap and hate no need or need a little sry for my English

[zenith elm]

do you lost a 2p? do you already have the 4p of new tier?

[balmy condor]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[sharp sinew]

ill lose 2pc of old tier

im 3/4 new tier

missing 1 pc

[zenith elm]

then dont

you'll lose a lot from losing your 2p

dont even need to sim that

[sharp sinew]

[iron vapor]

Yeah, up to 30% envenom damage disappearing for an extra 1-2iLvl is not a good trade

[hearty seal]

this used to exist for one patch in Legion when Blizz unlocked the API for it sufficiently
then they blocked it again and bricked the addon with it
best you can do today is a decent Plater setup (still far from being as good as a grid)

[autumn idol]

guys whats dn

[hearty seal]

[hearty seal]

yep, blasted on Soulbinder during the first week and it wasn't even close
only top-3 yesterday

[clever sparrow]

does shiv also buff singular focus?

[autumn idol]

yed

or rather, should

[balmy condor]

it does

[autumn idol]

im out of the loop whats the bug

[glass ice]

pinned msgs

[autumn idol]

kk

[hearty seal]

momentum of despair is fucked with 2p DS and more
but yeah, pin has it

[autumn idol]

oh jesus

thats a lot of bugs

[glass ice]

i think the takeawa from the video was that there is like 15% dmg from aoe just missing/gone

[obsidian shuttle]

Man, so thats why my damage just dropped.

I was just about to get ahead of my DK friend -_-

[stark sorrel]

i was confused why 2p lowered my damage and assumed i kept fucking up my opener

[clever sparrow]

why mages doing tank dps?

[hearty seal]

ngl as soon as it's fixed (if it's fixed)
Assa is doing casual 20m like without even trying on many first pulls

[balmy condor]

I added some honorable mentions cause you reminded me

[autumn idol]

im not sure if this is a "bug" but i found out that if you shiv during DN buff you re-gain the buff, gaining the energy back as well (so you can technically get the energy from getting the DN buff twice)

or maybe this has already been discovered

[balmy condor]

oh right

forgot to add that

[autumn idol]

least buggy spec

[balmy condor]

yeah it's really great

[fallen charm]

and makes a mess on weakauras

if you do that it sometimes stop tracking the deathstalker mark

happened on a key and I didn't have vanish, until suddenly the mark came back

[balmy condor]

honestly I think maybe tomorrow I make a part 2 video or something

cause people have been pointing out all these extra bugs

which have been around for a while

or I just forgot to add/didn't think about

I didn't originally intend to add like EVERY bug

just the new ones or the annoying ones

[stark sorrel]

how do you even reach out to blizzard with this stuff because if it doesn't leave the rogue bubble there is almost no point

[balmy condor]

they know

[fallen charm]

maybe delete the discord for a couple days too

[balmy condor]

yeah close down the book club

[lavish portal]

And create a Auto Decline Assa Weakaura

[fallen charm]

paladins got buffed like tha

[balmy condor]

no more bingo night at the retirement home until evil british petroleum lowers the price of oil

[stark sorrel]

lmfao and be like paladins?

[balmy condor]

they didn't

[stark sorrel]

dirty zealots

[real pike]

Is this what's been turning my DN to DsM randomly in aoe pulls???

[balmy condor]

in fact

they probably actually DIDNT get a buff

[autumn idol]

no you're pressing ambush during subterfuge

[balmy condor]

because of their cringe ass fucking stunt

[real pike]

Hmmmmmmmmm

[fallen charm]

the first 6 sec applies dsm again and again

but you should be using garrote

[old obsidian]

It happens to me too, I forget to approach mobs without combat animation

with*

[twin aurora]

is assa buggy in m+ ?

[old obsidian]

vanish and fixed

[fallen charm]

my dps skyrocketed in raids with 4p, but in dungeons I didn't feel the difference at all

deathstalker feels so bad

[real pike]

I am I'm 90% sure I'm not pressing muti/ambush but geforce experience thing has been bugging out and I haven't been able to get a clip

[midnight snow]

4pc bonus is just better on fatebound

[real pike]

In fatebound the second shiv in DM windows should be used to cover DM not the end of KB right

[fallen charm]

also not having to juggle the mark feels so good omg I forgot how good it was to be able to change targets

it was a nightmare to juggle the mark on the forge boss

I just changed to fatebound+caustic spatter and I was in heaven

[midnight snow]

4pc on deathstalker doesn’t messing up the rotation, yeah?

[golden loom]

yeah just try to not shiv when u have darkest night

[fallen charm]

makes you not want to press shiv on 0 stacks of the mark

other than that it's the same

[midnight snow]

120m+ rat and ill get my 4th piece

[fallen charm]

hey can anyone explain me what is it that we wait on to avoid the 4p bug?

whispyr said to wait on the lucky coin but doesn't it only proc after we use all of our cds?

[balmy condor]

it triggers when you hit a 7 stack on a coin

so you hit a 7 stack

wait for it to hit you

then continue

[fallen charm]

ok thanks

[maiden sierra]

Cant you just not wait?

Just wait for your cold blood to come of cd

At least thats what i do if i get the bug

[balmy condor]

yeh

that is also an option

[novel star]

i mean sure you could just line them up manually but you don’t really lose anything for waiting i think

[balmy condor]

some people's brains explode though

[novel star]

[maiden sierra]

Real

[balmy condor]

like yes, in theory you could just hold and line everything back up

but it's pretty jarring

to see kb come up

and then hold

[maiden sierra]

I love the convo we have anytime supercharged combo points get mentioned

[real pike]

I thought we had to do this, we don't have to do this?

[real pike]

Looool ngl I don't understand that cause I'm challenged

Wait for what to hit me

[balmy condor]

the capstone

it's a projectile

yeS?

so you wait

[novel star]

you wait between hitting 7cp and gaining lucky coin buff

[balmy condor]

till you get hit by the capstone coin

and then you cast the next finisher

the whole reason the bug is able to proc

is because you're able to finish

before the coin hits you

and it double triggers the lucky coin

[acoustic orchid]

Btw about the video, juster diamond sometimes brakes, and you have to reequip it, there is a wa that tells you when its broken (bug exists since release)

[balmy condor]

thank you yes

[real pike]

Ohhhhhhhhhh

[maiden sierra]

Different bug

[balmy condor]

I also mentioned in the video

that it just sometimes doesn't work on re-equip

[acoustic orchid]

Oh, ty

[novel star]

that’s in the video already and reequipping doesn’t fix it like it used to

giving feedback on a video you didn’t watch is pretty wild

[real pike]

So doing this doesn't allow you to cast KB earlier, it just stops it coming back up early

Either way you cast it 45 secs after the last one

[novel star]

i mean yeah

but if you get the bug you’re just holding kb after it comes off cd for 15s

which feels weird

[balmy condor]

whatever feels more natural to do

[real pike]

True but do we not want to be spamming to fit as many GCDs in as possible

[maiden sierra]

@balmy condor do we pool energy for a few sec before raw kingsbane on fatebound?

[real pike]

Instead if waiting for a projectile to hit

[balmy condor]

yes ofc

[balmy condor]

do you want to deal with the bug or not

[maiden sierra]

How many sec would you say?

[balmy condor]

like I'm just offering a way to avoid the bug

it's not that fucking deep

if you can't handle waiting 1.5 gcds and you're gonna explode

then don't do that

and just get the bug and hold

[real pike]

Everything is deep for a long time member of the overthinkers society

[balmy condor]

same as always

[maiden sierra]

So 10 sec roger

[balmy condor]

what

[real pike]

I go into KB with 250+ energy and still run dry/use more than 1 tea during it

Feelsbadman

[balmy condor]

double what

[scarlet orbit]

I still find it funny that the bug happens because a animation im pretty sure not many player even knew existed with the coin flying to you

[balmy condor]

what kind of degenerate ass pooling are you idiots doing

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[maiden sierra]

[balmy condor]

read second paragraph

stop being stupid

[maiden sierra]

Ayyooo

[real pike]

Never

[maiden sierra]

Nah

Youre lying to me whispyr

[balmy condor]

in what way am I lying

[maiden sierra]

I swear one of your posts from 1 year ago told us to pool for 10 sec

[balmy condor]

that command hasn't changed since like

the end of season 1

[real pike]

I don't like it because KB CD is now less than tea CD so if I use 2 teas in a KB window I eventually have none left for a DM window

And being energy starved in DM window feels AWFUL

[novel star]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-rage-bait-baited-rage-baited-angry-dog-gif-2047466162835898859

[balmy condor]

good thing DM gives you a shit ton of energy

[novel star]

how are you ever energy starved in deathmark

what

[real pike]

I managed to starve in raid a couple of times last night

[novel star]

that’s not a thing

[real pike]

Yarp

It was sirs

[maiden sierra]

Wait wait wait

[novel star]

😭

[wary pawn]

Is spec ded?

[maiden sierra]

@real pike have you tried applying poisons?

[balmy condor]

no obviously fucking not

[novel star]

i feel like i’m playing a different spec than y’all

[maiden sierra]

[novel star]

why would it be

[real pike]

Hehehe all 4 of them even

[novel star]

it was strong 2 days ago and nothing changed

[balmy condor]

I need to listen to ILLIT or something y'all are raising my blood pressure again

need me some girlypop

[maiden sierra]

But guys! Rtwf raiders played only sub!

[real pike]

VV + 0 blindside procs = I managed to spend more than I gained a couple of times in full ST

[maiden sierra]

Sin must be dead!

[novel star]

just not true

[real pike]

But I did realise I was using my second shiv wrong

So maybe it was that

[balmy condor]

[novel star]

this tier even has an outlaw boss ffs

the spec balance is great

shut UP

[marble hemlock]

blast some russian girlpop

[glossy grove]

Yo one question: I was in a 14 Dawn, why is the warrior TANK dealing more dmg than me ? 🙂

[slow trail]

hey, i came back on my rogue, doeas assa is playable for now or full bug like its pinged ? play more in mm+ than raid

[novel star]

you’re bad idk

[maiden sierra]

Warrior tank is the answer

[glossy grove]

prob

[novel star]

get ruptures out for energy and maintain crimson tempest

[glossy grove]

yea

[novel star]

spec learned

that’s all you do

[glossy grove]

i mean i can play this spec, but what the fuck happened

im 1,2m overall down to everyone else, can'T be

[novel star]

clearly not

sin aoe is very good right now

[real pike]

I was using second shiv to cover end of KB rather than end of DM, presumably this could have been causing energy problems

[novel star]

as it has been the whole expansion

[maiden sierra]

Prot warrior st is insane high

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/illit-tick-tack-dance-gif-9477125160828673631

[golden loom]

why would your shiv placement cause energy issues

what on earth

[maiden sierra]

He will be contending for your dps spot on bosses

[balmy condor]

TICK TACK TI TACK TICK TACK TA TICK TACK
TICK TACK TI TACK TICK TACK TA TICK TACK
TICK TACK TI TACK TICK TACK TA TICK TACK
TICK TACK TI TACK TICK TACK TA TICK TACK

[novel star]

im tweaking lmfao i cant read sin channel on bad sleep

idk how u do it whispyr

[balmy condor]

TICK TACK TI TACK TICK TACK TA TICK TACK
TICK TACK TI TACK TICK TACK TA TICK TACK
TICK TACK TI TACK TICK TACK TA TICK TACK
TICK TACK TI TACK TICK TACK TA TICK TACK

[novel star]

https://tenor.com/view/schizophrenic-schizophrenia-wins-mortal-kombat-skeleton-gif-24683632

[supple spindle]

banger

[maiden sierra]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1069667540151844884/1070814867478560778/D1604373-7A2B-41E8-A1C0-46661F9291F4.gif

[novel star]

ur kinda right

i should be listening to music instead of players

[maiden sierra]

Me when raid lead yaps

Ne when the tanks are fighting again

Me when parents are getting divorced

[jaunty notch]

Fix rogue daddy blizzard

[maiden sierra]

Dad divorced and lost custody of the kids

[jaunty notch]

Dad went for milk it seem

[spice surge]

Ranged talking about mechanics and stuff on soul hunters, im just playing the boss like this

[jaunty notch]

I was playing the bottom usage brain class and swapped for the middle child daddy blizzard forgot the existence

[spice surge]

https://tenor.com/view/melly-smash-hit-hit-it-ogre-gif-15408190

Most melee zug fight in a while

[maiden sierra]

Ngl

Not looking forward to the demon hunter fight prog

[golden loom]

first time playing sub in raid went insanely well

[novel star]

u just play bleed and vibe and look at pretty visual effects

[maiden sierra]

Yeah but on mythic that fight looks aids

[jaunty notch]

rupture garrote crimson then you do 360 all over the arena

[maiden sierra]

If you dont have 3 aff and 3 shadow priests

[spice surge]

Its mostly the same as hc

[balmy condor]

being in this channel for nearly a decade straight it like mental cock and ball torture except it's not my kink and I'm rudely awoken to a CIA agent waterboarding me with a gallon of sparkling wine so my brain is oxygen starved and I'm also drunk and I start hallucinating so hard I genuinely start to imagine a reality where I end up in a threeway with my drunk double-visioned Salma Hayek

[novel star]

yeah i get that

[jaunty notch]

[spice surge]

Relatable

[novel star]

i feel like the outcome is pretty good tho ?

[real pike]

Yeah but your advice has helped some random Englishman go from blue parsing to slightly better blue parsing so that makes it all worth it right???

[maiden sierra]

Its time to take your meds grandpa

[novel star]

imaginary but at least its good imagination no

[balmy condor]

it's like walking into the light when you die

[maiden sierra]

World of warcraft? Rogue discord? What are these things? You just shat your diaper

[novel star]

better than falling to hell goat

[balmy condor]

have you seen some of the takes in here king? Rather shit myself than throw up in my mouth reading some of the delusional garbage people be spouting

[maiden sierra]

[novel star]

[balmy condor]

I'm still recovering from the guy we banned like 2 years ago that was crashing out about blizzard devs not fixing a bug on a sunday, specifically the 25th of December

[scarlet orbit]

Wait what?

[balmy condor]

and then saying that his family works in hospitality

so he knows what it's like having to provide for people during holidays

[novel star]

holy based

[balmy condor]

that shit actually mental boomed me to this day

[zenith elm]

valid crashout

[hollow dirge]

sound reasoning

25th of december is the day we all eat cakes, rewatch shitty movies, and fix broken codes

[balmy condor]

a day you spend with your loved ones

all huddled around the TV

peer-reviewing lua

the way god intended

[hollow dirge]

xal'athat

did not say shit about 25th of december

[real pike]

I try to be lusional but sometimes I do be asking dumb shit I'm sorry

[maiden sierra]

As someone on a computer science degree, i can not imagine anything better than fixing godforsaken code i wrote

[novel star]

[maiden sierra]

Spending hours trying to bugfix something just to realise the real bug is my brain

[balmy condor]

you don't even register 90% of the time I'm so numb

[balmy condor]

yeah yeah this one

[real pike]

https://tenor.com/view/linkin-park-chester-bennigton-gif-9276012

[novel star]

highkey insane how hard he tried to ego u LMFAO

hospitality management*

[real granite]

ok so ive just seen the bugs video

you'r telling me we lost around 15% aoe damage this week

[balmy condor]

probably closer to 10%

but yes

[real granite]

cause of a hotfix that nerfed us and then caused a bug that nerfed us again

[novel star]

[balmy condor]

if you're using momentum of despair you probably lost like 15%

but you can get 5% back from taking follow the blood instead

[real granite]

yeah...

ill start preping sub weak auras...

[serene wyvern]

hi, got a question. so my rl asked me for a droptimizer and i saw the option to choose prefered secondary stats. should we go for crit mastery or crit haste?

[balmy condor]

yeah cause they're doing so much better in the bug department right

[novel star]

doesnt matter crit mast i guess

[balmy condor]

just sim crit mast, it's the safest option

[earnest remnant]

[serene wyvern]

thanks ❤️

[earnest remnant]

[spice surge]

Also tbf like 4-5% of that was intended

[balmy condor]

the ultimate fuck you from blizzard would be if they just fixed sanguine blades double dipping and nothing else

[strange python]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/ragnaros/disguise?zone=45 Would anyone be able to take a look at my logs & tell me how bad I am and why so i can improve?

[balmy condor]

that would be insanely based

[earnest remnant]

tryna make me mad on this glorious monday (i thought it was sunday until about an hour ago)

[golden loom]

I was just about to type that

[spice surge]

Why it was posted in a random hotfix note and not with some classs tuning i cant say though

[real granite]

nah i now they are buggy af also, but rn theres like 4 keys that sub is really good, i was already thinking of playing both and this 10% thing pushed me oof the cliff

[manic quartz]

i mean the most important fix was the Inevitabile End name fix :3

[golden loom]

fuck it just fix sanguine blades and tails coins proccing seal fate and call it there

[earnest remnant]

true

[real granite]

havent played sub since df s1, its been itching me

[earnest remnant]

assa broken anyway

[novel star]

tails crit cp is the funniest shit ever

[earnest remnant]

buff sub st blizzurd tyty

spec sucks

[novel star]

how do you even manage that

[golden loom]

its also insane that it procs seal fate

but that doesnt proc deal fate

[novel star]

[winged sun]

True true

No cappy sub needs buffs

[hearty seal]

that's because deal fate is limited to a couple specific builders
meanwhile I just fucking KNOW seal fate is "+1 for everything that has a CP gain != NONE" and some fucking guy set Tails to have CP gain = 0 rather than NONE

(that's my theory anyway, that's how shit happens in gamedev)

[winged sun]

Everytime zac comes here

Send him this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1406415261082320947/ZacFetchRavenholdt3.gif

[maiden sierra]

Honestly good theory

I made that mistake in the past

[analog sedge]

does assa need haste for m+ ?

[hearty seal]

not really
just sim your stuff, you'll likely arrive at below 20% haste tho with best gear, but ilvl+stat amount will carry anyway

[analog sedge]

i have 6% right now

[maiden sierra]

Sim

Dungeonslice

Robot knows

[hearty seal]

anyway yeah, sim
you don't have any special interactions with haste is all
so it's likely other stuff will feel better but there's no point in avoiding haste, either

[rough oyster]

as far as i know haste is pretty good for bleed build

but yeah sim for it

[maiden sierra]

As far as you know.
While the robot knows 100%

Robot supremacy

[rough oyster]

where are times we had sheets for "siming"

[nova gust]

we still have them, just better UI

[pliant remnant]

where are the times when we shat in the woods

smh my head

to be tbh

[hearty seal]

you young whippersnappers
back in my day we heard some weird myths about +hit% chance being a capped thing

[balmy condor]

sim sheets are useful for exactly 1 thing

showing the maximums

but then people see the maximums

and they "oh I need this gear" or whatever

which isn't true

[maiden sierra]

Oh thats my BIS list!

[balmy condor]

and so instead of just seeing a maximum, they start to apply it to their characters

and then it gets messy and wrong

and stupid

[maiden sierra]

I love my bis lists

[balmy condor]

raidbots these days is easy enough to use that you can get infinitely more accurate results

sim sheets just simply aren't good enough

[nova gust]

I would like to keep my right to press BIS in consul loot because funny haired man said it is so on the internet

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean that's probably not going away unless we genocide every idiot raid lead

we have a bis button on our RCLC but it basically means nothing at the end of the day

[bitter iris]

is dungeon slice accurate for us?

[rough oyster]

Haha in vanilla, I remember when they discovered that and we fallowed elitist jerks forums to be in the theorycraft loop

[nova gust]

i use it for trinkets basically

[balmy condor]

yes

[novel star]

yeah

[bitter iris]

ty

[fallen charm]

just grab a mythic piece you don't have, when you have every mythic piece, sim and change them for a 0.001% upgrade

[nova gust]

but also almost every class has the same BiS trinkets

[maiden sierra]

I asked if the BIS button on rings was correct and i got made fun of

[spice surge]

Mfers pressing Bis and then the note is "catalyst"

[hearty seal]

real except internet traffic was limited so I didn't go to any forums

[balmy condor]

at the end of the season when you have full gear just keep re-simming until your sim RNG's into a higher number than the simcraft BiS profile and then ping me that the profile is wrong (this has happened multiple times) [don't do that, it's dumb]

[uneven widget]

It is better to spam envenom than to play around sanguine blades on st right?

[balmy condor]

yes

[red schooner]

We had that and then a mage complained and said, 'not a serious guild, doesn't respect bis lists' later. He was serious

fuckin' mages man

[nova gust]

seems like punishable offence to me

[maiden sierra]

@balmy condor hows your prog going? Are you on sub duty yet on araz?

[tardy plover]

Yo , question there are some dung where i really underperform as assa , is there like a cheat sheet or a guide where other rogue specs do usually better in some dung or is it just me being a pleb

[neat plank]

First, watch some streams to see how other ass rogues play (like zerocool, he has an addon that shows ability presses) and then you can analyze top dmg logs

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna try and make fatebound work or something idk

[nova gust]

that seems like the way

[fallen charm]

and if someone says assa sucks just tell them "this week assassinaion is bis here"

[rough oyster]

yeah thats normal. lke streets are not that good for us as there are 5 bosses and our ST is not that stron. Tho some tanks may help you by pulling some trash on boss.

[balmy condor]

I mean it SHOULDNT be the way

fatebound on araz

is the dumbest thing I could imagine

[nova gust]

well, the world we live in

[warm vortex]

So whispy you said your making like a part 2 on the vid right

[balmy condor]

but with all the fucking bugs deathstalker seems so dumb

that it might actually be worse

[west gyro]

It could be since deathstalker bugs

[warm vortex]

What if everyoen just sends a ticket

maybe a single human could respond to at least 1

[west gyro]

Even with 0%xtra tail dmg

[fallen charm]

the cd align so perfectly for the burn phases with fatebound

[nova gust]

sub hurts my fingers

at least 2 more buttons to press

[warm vortex]

Even then, the 4pc doesnt work sometimes

[maiden sierra]

Yeah im contemplating what to do on araz as i dont have a verse ring yet for sub

[west gyro]

Sub is still good but post araz nerf the adds dies before cold blood sectech

But burn dmg is still insane

[balmy condor]

yeah but you also self-nerf during the AoE/p3 and deathstalker ends up being able to crank out an extra ~8% boss damage from singular focus

IF IT FUCKING WORKED

[west gyro]

Big true

[nova gust]

so i take we don't close the channel till fixed?

[red schooner]

God no

As bad as we are, we ain't ret paladins.

And we can be proud of that.

[balmy condor]

I'm just gonna repost that

[nova gust]

good

I'm glad of it

[fallen charm]

I tried both on hc and my experience was: half the tries on DS were a mark jugling clustterfuck and the other half with FB was heaven

[golden loom]

well you just vanish ambush in the damage amp

[balmy condor]

the mark juggling is so overblown

[golden loom]

and kinda yeet the mark in intermission and if you lose it its whatever

[warm vortex]

Uber what are these little creatures even from

[warm vortex]

I thought that was peter griffin before it turned around

[balmy condor]

a swede posting a japanese character with a mexican song on top

[humble verge]

when was i swedish

[balmy condor]

idk

you're one of those nords

[humble verge]

DIN JÆVLA FEITE FAEN, DU KAN GÅ Å EDA EN BÆSJ

[balmy condor]

danish swedish norwegian finnish

all the same to me

[hexed pumice]

uh can I ask how does the rotation change with big CD's with 4set fatebound (shiv, dm, kb, shiv, but what then, when the cd's get shortened?) but i guess it's not easy to answer as the tier set sometimes doesn't work? xD

[spice surge]

Could be worse, he could post a banana curry pizza pic from last night

[balmy condor]

2 shivs in deathmark, 1 shiv in non-deathmark kingsbane, vanish every other deathmark

[hexed pumice]

do we send a KB after with 1 shiv as well, or wait it to align with DM again?

oh nvm im blind ty

[warm vortex]

Jusdt did a run where every few seconds the mage said "showtooltip"

mans macro's were fucked

[grim jay]

Its well written

[golden loom]

any blueberry pizza enjoyers?

[grim jay]

Dunno if I wouldve said it as friendly as you

[humble verge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/462658384295100427/1408530850265694278/chobotchu_-_1958653731836162201.gif

[fallen charm]

/s howtooltip

[nova gust]

not enough ret bashing for my taste

[grim jay]

You disgust me

[golden loom]

would an italian blow up if they got served this?

[warm vortex]

Tbh i'd take off the blueberries and eat it

[grim jay]

I would blow up and im not italian

[warm vortex]

But i'd try it with a blueberry

I just don't like them in general

In muffins they are ok though

[nova gust]

at what point does it stopping being pizza?

[golden loom]

blueberries are insanely good but put them on my pizza and we are fighting

[grim jay]

As soon as there is any kind of fruit or anything sweet involved

[fallen charm]

I generally like sweet things in my food, like mango or pineapple but blueberry seems a bit much

[craggy zodiac]

how do we fix cold blood bug ?

[nova gust]

sweet chilli peppers are ok tho?

[golden loom]

well pineapple on pizza is the best topping

[balmy condor]

relog

[warm vortex]

What about pizza on pizza

[grim jay]

I mean thats not really sweet. More along the lines of chocolate and stuff

[nova gust]

the forbidden pizza

[hearty seal]

ngl I hate having to preserve mark seven times rather precisely during Araz
and if someone crits the pylons extra hard, I lose it

[grim jay]

Its just as disgusting as blueberry on pizza

[humble verge]

he says absolutely

[nova gust]

I try to switch it to adds when pylon is below 50%

[golden loom]

the place they serve that abomination is on åland so I am fine with just giving it over to sweden at this point @humble verge

[humble verge]

åland

[nova gust]

but it is taking too much brainpower compared to regular assa gameplay

[craggy zodiac]

@balmy condor cheers mate

[fallen charm]

come to the fatebound side

[nova gust]

i do on ST

[hearty seal]

real

[nova gust]

it's really nice to not have markfuckaround on most bosses in the tier

[real pike]

7 times?

[hearty seal]

can we just like
have trickster for assa or smth

[real pike]

I've only done hc, is it more in myth

[nova gust]

well the fight is longer i guess

[grim jay]

They should delete fatebound and improve deathstalker. Thats the deal I would take any day

[hearty seal]

on hc it's still 7 times (twice each pylon, three times on boss, but you can compensate for two uses with vanish, so it's 7 rather than 9)

[real pike]

In heroic we had 3 groups doing one pillar each, I guess in mythic you have to rotate round all 3 like god intended?

[hearty seal]

we're already rotating
hmmm
wonder if splitting is better

[nova gust]

we kill one by one in heroic too

[hearty seal]

but the raid basically wants you to kill one of them super fast due to no elementals being there to absorb the charge

so you have to all-in that one

then deal with the rest

[real pike]

Ye I remember on the RCP video I think it was he said to all do the highest energy one first or something

Then our RL was like we split and have 3 groups pumping one each

[fallen charm]

that is just stockholm syndrome, just play fatebound and you will be free of this fuckin bugged mark and get dopamin hits rolling 15 tails in a row

[real pike]

And I was like oh ok but it worked

But it almost certainly won't work like that in mythic

[real pike]

Oh yay I love seeing random icons with 0 interactivity and gameplay changes

[fallen charm]

I get depressed playing m+ now after I got a taste of fatebound

[nova gust]

the dopamin pump is real, I rolled up to 20 heads and was able to chain it into another KB

[grim jay]

Nah deathstalker in itself is the better tree if they fix some clunkyness. Also more thematic.

[real pike]

Deathstalker design is miles better

[grim jay]

I prefer playing sub over fb sin

[real pike]

Some random rng coin nonsense is nowhere near the dopamine hit of a cranked up shivved lingering DN envenom

Inject it

[fallen charm]

you say that, but you never got your burst cds back while holding 13 stacks of heads in the burst phase

you will never wana go back

[deep mango]

guys, how much does deathmark contribute to aoe with caustic splatter? is it a significant portion of our aoe burst? or is vanish the main aoe cd

[real pike]

Idk I like the big number to be a result of things that I've done, not random background chance

[fallen charm]

almost nada

[real pike]

It doesn't at all

[deep mango]

[real pike]

Technically DP but it's negligible

[fallen charm]

^

[deep mango]

thank you, so basically save it for ST or big prio

[real pike]

Ye slam on CD on any big fucker that will live the duration and you'll have 100% uptime on

[deep mango]

sorry waht's DP?

[real pike]

Deadly poison

[deep mango]

gotcha

[fallen charm]

just blow it for the nature damage buff after

[deep mango]

sorry, nature buff after?

sorry for all these questions, completely new to rogue

i knw oit duplicates your deadly poisons

and icnrease effectiveness by 100%

but what do you mean by after?

[red schooner]

When deathmark expires we get a buff called lingering darkness.

It buffs nature damage

[rain coral]

anyone knows which addon/WA is responsible for the BR tracker close to the dps meter?

[red schooner]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=457273/lingering-darkness

[deep mango]

thanks you!

[red schooner]

https://wago.io/CnbP-nyEh Might be this one maybe? No clue.

First result that came up, looks like the same one

[humble verge]

omnicd already does it

[red schooner]

Fair, I never used omnicd

[spice surge]

omnicd or method raid tools have one ye

But you can use a standalone WA for it too

[red schooner]

I never use it, this information is useless for me. Either one of the BR classes rezzes me or they don't

[deep mango]

what is the best way to use this buff? ofc you want caustic spatter to be up, but i guess after deathmark fades you just do a 7p envenoms with caustic spatter up and that's it?

[spice surge]

You dont really play around it

Just play like usual

[red schooner]

Just play as you normally would and its fine

You just do some more nature damage.

[deep mango]

i see, i guess it doesn't really synergise much with any of the other cds

except shiv

[fallen charm]

I prefer a 14m ambush cause you are holding a bag of coins

[forest nacelle]

how far behind is fatebound M+ from DS?

[deep mango]

speaking of shiv, do we use both charges in our openers for the full duration of deathmark?

[fallen charm]

playing with the fishingpole instead of daggers far behind

[forest nacelle]

thats fair xD

was only curious

[marsh fjord]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[deep mango]

@spice surge hmm icy veins says to use the second shiv after deathmark expires, is that true or do we send both shivs for full 16s of deathmark

[gritty laurel]

you always use both shivs during DM, then after DM you use a single shiv to get a giga boosted envenom during lingering darkness

[marsh fjord]

@deep mango Prob not updated yet.

[deep mango]

will you have the third shiv up for the end of daethmark tho?

its 30s cd after all

[gritty laurel]

LD lasts 30 seconds

[marsh fjord]

Are we talking DS or FB here

[deep mango]

DS

for m+ aoe sorry

i guess ST too

[marsh fjord]

You dont have KB in m+. so you just follow the same rules

[spice surge]

Thats the third shiv

[marsh fjord]

after 11 seconds comes your second shiv

[gritty laurel]

yeah in M+ you basically just send shiv on cooldown so you don't waste uses since bleed build takes arterial

[deep mango]

gotcha, send shiv on cd

[marsh fjord]

Yeah beside holding 2 shivs for when your DM come sup

[deep mango]

i guess everytime after you apply all dots

[gritty laurel]

yup, once you get rupture and tempest out, let er rip

[wise pilot]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[deep mango]

i love rogue cds, feels so different from other classes

[marsh fjord]

After your DM. you use the 2 shivs. and you can use the 2 next shivs. the 2 after that you hold again for DM>

[obsidian shuttle]

Am I drunk or cant you use focus tricks in m+?

[deep mango]

makes sense, timers line up nicely

[fallen charm]

probably drunk

[deep mango]

focus kick feels mandatory for melees

as a ranged you're so far back and apm is low so you have time for mouseovers

feels so much harder to use mouseovers as melee

[fallen charm]

maybe the tank was mounted

[fallen charm]

I have 2 macros for tricks that are much better

just wait 1 min

1st macro:
/run for i=1,5 do local role=UnitGroupRolesAssigned("party"..i) if role=="TANK" then local name=GetUnitName("party"..i, true) local str="#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade\n/cast [@"..name.."] Tricks of the Trade" EditMacro("ToT",nil,nil,str,1,1) end end

2nd macro(it's important you name this macro ToT):
#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/cast [@Fuyuhime-Stormrage] Tricks of the Trade

the first macro will grab the tank name and put it on the second macro

you just have to press it once at the start of the key

the second macro is your tricks

[daring hamlet]

is assa good in M+ this tier?

[zenith prairie]

Nah it’s terrible

[humble verge]

[WeakAuras: Sergeito-TwistingNether - Smart Misdirect Updated] https://wago.io/kQ2LnX4zP/3

[fallen charm]

good in aoe, behind prot warrior in single target boss damage

[humble verge]

#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

there u go

much better

[hazy horizon]

anyone has the wa that says ur focus target ?

[nova kelp]

Good lord I feel squishy on loomithar

[daring hamlet]

oh god, thanks for this, was about to make one cause that's mostly the thing I wanted to try in the game

[grim jay]

Not really

[grim jay]

Assassination is on the top end

If they fix the bugs

Still fine with bugs actually

[daring hamlet]

oh lmfao i got baited

I see, aight

[fallen charm]

I'm cranking 9~10m dps on momma and 2m on the last boss of floodgate

single target makes me wanna cry

[grim jay]

2m definitely isnt what you should be dealing

Unless you lack gear

Even then, thats S2 end of season dmg

[analog field]

Guys as i don't have 4pc yet, i want to understand something: With the bug we get 1min DM cd? So woulnd't the bug be good and just wait if the KB is 45 and DM 1min ?

[fallen charm]

I don't really remember how much but it's almost the same as the tanks dmg

[fallen charm]

the bug just misalign your cds once

it's like waiting 15 sec for the next KB to align with cold blood

[grim jay]

Yeah that definitely doesnt sound right. 2.6m-ish is what they have without bl on a +16

Prot warr is at 1.7m

[analog field]

yeah with 2 cd's , one in execute you go above 2.5 for sure

[grim jay]

+16 without bl is 3 CDs even

[fallen charm]

5 seconds of waiting on energy to press the next button just sucks

[grim jay]

Well thats what sin is about, it most of the time was like that with some exceptions/abominations

[fallen charm]

feels good on aoe and resident sleeper on single

[nova kelp]

sometimes the bug still aligns your cds

I had several pulls on loom myth just now where my dm was 2 mins and both kbs were 30 sec

[zenith prairie]

Bleed build is just lame I wish it was still s1 spec for m+

[nova kelp]

it will misalign your CB though

sometimes it hits just kb though and not dm

so you get a 30 second kb, but still a 1.5 min dm

[grim jay]

Idk. Its the same amount of buttons and arguably less to do

[fallen charm]

just bring back old exsanguinate KEK

[swift escarp]

Has anyone else had tierset bugged with Fatehound and the DM was left with 2 minutes?

[spice surge]

Yep

Sometimes it doesnt give cdr, sometimes it gives double cdr

[swift escarp]

There hasn't been a hotfix for this yet?

[spice surge]

Thematic bug that coinflips if your tier works or not

Or works twice

[sage wagon]

Fits. Coinflip afterall.

[gritty laurel]

i was convinced that i was horribly misplaying when i first got the 4p and hadn't seen the pin yet

had me doubting my whole career

[marble hemlock]

dont let the truth stop you from doubting yourself

[sharp sinew]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[granite island]

how buggy in % is assa FB st atm? or is it all aoe

[rocky condor]

Hi, on which Option i can see the details in my Log? Like at what second i used a abillity ?I just see it like this

[granite island]

casts, and then timeline

[grim jay]

The St stuff is nothing to put a label on. Can be neutral if it doesnt happen, can suck or can even be a gain ig

[rocky condor]

Thank you!

The first Shiv is wasted right? I just use Shiv right after my DM and KB with Tea or am i wrong?

[red schooner]

Nah, for FB you shiv before dm/kb because it buffs the coin damage

[minor coyote]

just did a streets m8 run, wondering if this is somewhat good? still learning the class

[red schooner]

Works out as a gain overall

[dense cedar]

did plexus mythic tonight

evil boss

[rocky condor]

Okay, and the second Shiv meanwhile the CD's

[snow fable]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[dense cedar]

my poor kb coming up as soon as the boss tells us to fuck off

[red schooner]

Second shiv use it for the last 8 seconds of deathmark

[rocky condor]

Is it recommend to Vanish right after CD's ?

[red schooner]

As long as its before the use of the second cold blood envenom you should be good

[rocky condor]

So my logs seems fine on the Opener i guess, thank you buddy!

[red schooner]

Looks fine from what I can see!

[spice spire]

You’re fine from what I can see

[midnight snow]

so we vanish after kb?

[red schooner]

[balmy condor]

any time between the envenom before cds and before the second envenom after