assassination

[smoky hull]

so i'll just be going pure ilvl and if its single items just sim it in the higher gear / vault in the end?

[bitter solar]

The correct answer is sim yourself.

BIS varies a lot based on x amount of stat you have. Because we like all the things.

[zenith elm]

Yes

Just SIM

[smoky hull]

thanks 🙂

[dense cedar]

Some people think we are sin rogue but we are actually sim rogue

[bitter solar]

[minor gate]

assassimation

[covert elbow]

You only have to clear until you receive your cloak.

I believe it was the end of the 3rd bundle of quests for the campaign.

[silk merlin]

unyielding netherprism how the hell do i use that propperly, do i need to wait for the 18 stacks? or just send it when deathmarks is up? feels kinda bad to wait for 18 stacks

[thick juniper]

question, how many catalyst we suppose to have?

[bitter solar]

Deathstalker macro with deathmark, Fatebound marco to Vanish with 4p iirc

[silk merlin]

iirc?

[marsh fjord]

If you have 2k io

[bitter solar]

iirc = if i recall correctly, Whispyr went through it on one of his videos and i don't remember which

[nova kelp]

I probably just wouldnt macro it. Just press the button

[cinder geode]

I been had the cloak but it never shows up on my alts

[mild pine]

how much overall loss in m+ from bugs?

[cinder geode]

If i get the restoring operational efficiency quest there is no going back for the skip so I've just been sitting in front

[marsh fjord]

You use it with your vanish on fatebound. So it becomes a 3 minute trinket and on Ds you send it with your deathmark

[thick juniper]

ty numbers

[marsh fjord]

Np Wednesday we get other one or Tuesday if you are NA

[silk merlin]

thanks alot for the answers maybe tomorrow i get to improve my damage abit

[deep mango]

hey guys, on an aoe opener, what is the best timing to use your mutilate to proc caustic spatter?

after you dot everything up?

[marsh fjord]

After you CT

[winged sun]

caustic spatter fix + singular focus being bugged alone is -10% dps

not counting the other bugs

[deep mango]

gotcha, so after final dot applied

also, realistically, how many ruptures/garrotes can we keep up?

[marsh fjord]

Yah basically. Because bleed build spatter only really does something when you start using envenom and that’s after deathmark with fok envenom spam

[marsh fjord]

Depends if your using a vanish for that or not

[deep mango]

how many with vanish and how many without?

[indigo mulch]

Honestly, i just garrote/rupture a couple of targets so i know i have the agi bonus then i just spam envenoms ;s

[marsh fjord]

Its hard to say. with vanish i dot everything

because of how IC works

But outside of IC i dont dot more then 5 targets

[deep mango]

gotcha

do you mouseover ruptures?

[marsh fjord]

Yes

and garrotes

[deep mango]

with a lot of targets its essentially just fan, rupture, fan, rupture

right?

[marsh fjord]

You mean in your IC window?

with no bonespike up yes.

but its dependant on the how many targets

[indigo mulch]

You don't want to spam rupture constantly. There is a limit to how many you want to keep up if i remember correctly.

[marsh fjord]

Not constantly no

[indigo mulch]

Outside of IC that is

[deep mango]

shit i dont even know what bonespike is

[marsh fjord]

Outside of IC i dont do more then 5

[deep mango]

need to do a bit more reading

[hasty harbor]

hey guys, how's it going? I was wondering if anyone can guide me with what I'm doing wrong with Fatebound. I'm dealing double the damage with Kingsbane compared to the coins, and in most of the logs, I see people doing almost the same damage

[deep mango]

thanks for the answer

[marsh fjord]

Bonespike gives you your combopoints back

[deep mango]

[marsh fjord]

when you rupture

[balmy condor]

(and @dim nymph @zealous skiff from the convo yesterday), I updated my weakaura with a toggle for that now, if you go to the rupture aura and then custom options, you can toggle which way to view it

[deep mango]

ohhhh

that's whats giving me my cps back!

[marsh fjord]

So you can like

[deep mango]

i was looking for that

[marsh fjord]

rupture/rupture

[deep mango]

is it rng?

no

[marsh fjord]

mostly my openers looks like this

no

[deep mango]

its a debuff

i see

[dim nymph]

@balmy condor so you did go the custom option route haha

[balmy condor]

yeah might as well

[marsh fjord]

Stealth - Ambush - rupture - rupture - garrote garrote - CT - mut - Garrot if more needed or rupture if more needed. DM - shiv - and FOK envenom spam @deep mango

[balmy condor]

hopefully it's not a pain in the ass to maintain

feature bloat

[dim nymph]

@marsh fjord a single ambush into a rupture so you are sending you first rupture with low cp?

[keen spruce]

the order is not important

[marsh fjord]

sorry your right. should be a garrote before the rupture

i missed that part

[keen spruce]

bush gar rup rup gar gar ct mut is fine too

if you have cp left over from the last pull is can just be bush rup

it's just apply mark, apply bleeds, CT, mutilate

[deep mango]

hmm what talent is it that makes bone spikes redund cp

[marsh fjord]

Sometimes im coming out of a pack with 5 cps and then i just instantly rupture so remembering and typing it out is yikes

[deep mango]

i dont see it

[keen spruce]

doesn't bone spike do it

itself

[balmy condor]

bone spike makes rupture give cp

[keen spruce]

that's wut it does now

[deep mango]

im dumb

[obsidian harbor]

Hi guys, is a bit low for my equip this dps, right?

[marsh fjord]

read down

[marsh fjord]

we cant do anything with details. if you looking for improvement you should upload your logs

[obsidian harbor]

(M+ 9, bleed build)

[marsh fjord]

Overall has a lot to do with how your tank is pulling

[dim nymph]

@obsidian harbor honestly probably not the amount of agil we get from a single peice makes up a decent chunk of dmg

[marsh fjord]

we cant say its bad or good

[deep mango]

i don't really understand this refund mechanic, so i use a 7 point rupture and it applies bone spike

and how much does it refund on my first rupture on opener?

[marsh fjord]

If you on your IC

and you rupture

you apply 3 bonestacks

[deep mango]

ahhh

[marsh fjord]

so you get a 3 CP return

[deep mango]

because you do aoe ruptrue

that makes sense

[marsh fjord]

if im saying that right

[deep mango]

god this class is so big brain

[marsh fjord]

people cna correct me

but i think thats how it works

[dim nymph]

@deep mango people really do under estimate how difficult this class can be

[marsh fjord]

Because your rupture is applying the bone spike

@balmy condor was there also an mechanic with bonespike and critting to get more CP?

or was i dreaming

[balmy condor]

well yeh

bone spike gives cp

[obsidian harbor]

What addon need to use to pick M+ logs?

[balmy condor]

it can crit

crit is cp

[marsh fjord]

yeah so max is 5 CP right?

[balmy condor]

depends how many are out

[marsh fjord]

if you rupture with IC out

whats the max gain of CP you can get?

[dim nymph]

@obsidian harbor warcraft logs has an app you can download to use logs

[balmy condor]

5 I guess idk

I haven't paid attention

enough to finihs

[dim nymph]

@obsidian harbor or im pretty sure even the raider.io app does live tracking by default

[marsh fjord]

yeah i dont think it extra crits the CP because its only 1 spell

[silk sundial]

On the fatebound opener, shiv,dm,kb. Is it better to use your 2nd shiv as soon as the 1st shiv ends, leaving off the tail end of kb, or do you rupture the last 8 seconds of kb?

[marsh fjord]

You use it for your entire DM duration

you dont want to wait for your KB

you only do that on the last 8 seconds of your solo KB

So just 8 seconds later you shiv again in the opener

if that makes sense to you

[obsidian harbor]

Uhmm have you a tutorial to see the logs?

[silk sundial]

I tried it both ways, didn't really feel much of a difference. I'm sure the numbers don't lie

[marsh fjord]

im numbers

i dont lie

[obsidian harbor]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-tww-3/5519469-9-tazavesh-soleahs-gambit

here?

[dim nymph]

your logs will be located here https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/nemesis/yokö?zone=45

[dim nymph]

Whatever keys you or other people have logged will show up there

[obsidian harbor]

Okay, I don't see the last one

[dim nymph]

probably someone didnt log that run then

[hasty harbor]

could it be that I need to have more critical strike? or am I doing something wrong? sometimes I hit it right, and other times I don’t hit it at all

[marsh fjord]

We can't really properly see what your doing wrong or right on a details meter. we need logs for that.

But stats are rarely the problem

[hasty harbor]

alright, I’m going to do LFR and send over the logs, thanksss!

[glacial lantern]

Is internal bleeding ever worth taking?

Seems really bad on paper

[haughty flicker]

in pure st

if you get basically any spatter value at all you though take spatter

[glacial lantern]

Woudln't you just wanna cast envenom?

[thorn thorn]

Your assessment is accurate

[haughty flicker]

?

[thorn thorn]

Its bad

[haughty flicker]

you're still keeping your bleeds up in st

[thorn thorn]

And you only take it in raw ST because spatter has zero st value

[glacial lantern]

Oh wait

It's kidney and rapture

[haughty flicker]

ye the kidney part is just completely ignored

[glacial lantern]

I ignored the rapture part because i remembered this talent from wod

[haughty flicker]

its very shit but the alternative does literally nothing in st

[waxen oyster]

Its taken on 3 bosses

[left trail]

Hello sorry for bothering, i've been trying to get into assass, and seen alot of videos, but i just can't seem to click with it, sometimes i do 15m dps, sometimes i do 5m (aoe), i know that i suck but is there anyone i could watch that could make me understand better on how to play the spec on m+?

[main bridge]

Whispyr and Shindigg have nice videos

there are also these guides:

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[clever sparrow]

Guys

when pushing keys

[forest python]

what talent should i play in nexus king

[clever sparrow]

what should i focus the most?

[left trail]

tysm

[clever sparrow]

like i can say my overall isnt that good

5 mil arakara is kinda troll

[main bridge]

Fatebound with Caustic Spatter

[clever sparrow]

on (12)

[main bridge]

wowhead has an area on which spec to play on each boss

[late ravine]

Fellow rogues help me out here what is this number on my plater, I've looked everywhere and cant find where to disable it 🙏🏿

[honest needle]

if i have a dk and hunter in my group with me on the rogue what class should get PI from priest for aoe and for boss ?

there telling me rogues fdont need PI dk does

[clever sparrow]

should i have My cds on cooldown 24/7?

[forest python]

ty bro i didnt see in wowhead

[clever sparrow]

in M+

[weary spear]

I think MM and dk both benefit more than us

[clever sparrow]

like send dm on cd?

[main bridge]

use them every time they're up until you learn the dungeon enough to know when to hold

[clever sparrow]

i always throw on big mobs

[honest needle]

so haste dont help us for boss fights more energy ?

[left trail]

ah another question, does the 4pc set do alot of difference? or is just a slight upgrade

[late ravine]

Allows you to play fatebound

[main bridge]

it's big. you can sim if you want an exact number

you do not need tier to play Fatebound

it's good even without it

[late ravine]

Nah buuuuuuuuuut

[waxen oyster]

4p makes fatebound a 1.5min spec

instead of 2min

[subtle oyster]

Unless 4p bug says hi

[waxen oyster]

Yeah thats when you alt f4

[humble verge]

lads

what do we think of my garbage own customized frames

[deep mango]

last spec i played was spriest, which was suppsoed to be hard but actually is kinda easy, and before that it was bamkin. this is the hardest class i've played so far

by a far margin

[errant heath]

For hardmode Hooktail what build would be the best? I was thinking CT since we want to kil the adds but they have so slow hp maybe DM would be the way to go

[mint urchin]

Base SP is simple but it does have a lot of nuance on VP spreading and mastery management

[humble verge]

just get a better tank

[errant heath]

😮

[humble verge]

or

just be better at positioning

[deep mango]

yeah idk i think i just find multi dotting in melee much harder than multi dotting as ranged lmao

[wary prairie]

does follow the blood give you a trackable buff?? I can't find it

[deep mango]

maybe i just need more practice to get used to it

[mint urchin]

It's the mastery interaction with SP where it gets a bit complex, base dot application is super easy

[shadow zealot]

does sin or sub do better in raids?

[mint urchin]

Depends on fight

[balmy condor]

no

[wary prairie]

ty

[spice surge]

Its not something you would need to track anyway, since if you can have rupture on 2 targets you should have that anyway

And it would be included in your scent/rupture trackers

[thorn thorn]

What is VP spreading

You mean plague?

Plague spreading is gonezo now that plague just adds damage from remaining duration into next cast

It also does no damage so its basically mastery fodder

[fringe spear]

Vampiric Pain !

[thorn thorn]

Oh

[fringe spear]

Nah its probably typo of dp

[thorn thorn]

Im gonna assume so

From what I was told ever since DP got changed to have remaining damage added to new applications spreading was just not worth doing

Pretty W change but it also means shadow is wrangled even harder by link

[round vapor]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[mint urchin]

You still spread it in aoe to generate more dmg by getting more mastery on adds, at least last I looked

And yes DP

Not VP

[thorn thorn]

I was told it was negligable since you can just slam them into one target and keep ramping its damage dealt

[mint urchin]

I dunno why I thought vampiric

[thorn thorn]

Since its effectively just mastery fodder with the high % link is now

I do not like archon

[mint urchin]

Maybe, I hate archon

[thorn thorn]

the voidform shenanigans they tried to cook feel fucking awful to play

[mint urchin]

So I haven't played much recently

I was stoked for DD based void weaver style

And then they killed it

[thorn thorn]

We got void volley at least

Very awesome ability

[mint urchin]

Very true but SP just needs entropic for all content other then high keys

Cause all packs die before you can play the game on anything below a 14

[thorn thorn]

Its fun in priory when you go to the left

You can oneshot yourself on the priest shield

Very funny

[mint urchin]

Man I played Arcane last season...

Killed myself many a times

[thorn thorn]

Its way worse now because the damage reflection got buffed for S3

[haughty flicker]

only reason i dont die on that shield is i save cloak for it now lmfao

its so funny

[mint urchin]

Love getting reflected for 20+mil

[spice surge]

It got nerfed

But the shield is way larger

[mint urchin]

Building up a huge touch and reflect boom

[thorn thorn]

Oh actually?

I just remember on the PTR it got buffed to 70%

And I was appalled by the change

[onyx coyote]

For loomithar do we go ST or cleavE?

[spice surge]

Ok nvm i was wrong

They buffed both

[pliant remnant]

ST

[thorn thorn]

Yup

The shield is very funny I wont lie

[onyx coyote]

I noticed you can shadow step the thread thing but guessing thats notallowed

[spice surge]

I love spreading misinformation i guess

[thorn thorn]

Happens

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[thorn thorn]

I think it was at like 35% last season

And its 70% now

[spice surge]

Going left seems unplayable in high keys anyway

[thorn thorn]

Best part is pet specs like BM arent immune either

[spice surge]

Because tank gets fucking blasted on the first boss if you do

But ye when you deathmark that shield you need cloak or jesus

[thorn thorn]

Both perferably

[mint urchin]

Yeah but right is also awful to have fire aoes and earth AOE on the ground

Neither is fun lol

[haughty flicker]

yeah but right side just fucks melee

and thats normal

now that the miniboss isnt cancer to fight thats probably the way it'll go in high keys

[mint urchin]

Way more kicks and just aoe chaos

[heavy jolt]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
• Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
• Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.

[thorn thorn]

Take my word for it

Do not do priory with a boomkin and shadow priest

[haughty flicker]

[normal mist]

yeah we bricked this 11

on the first boss

[mint urchin]

Do it and just hope the pack dies before solar beam ends

[thorn thorn]

Specifically both

[dapper cradle]

hey bel hope you're having a great one

[thorn thorn]

Cuz you just get zero kicks if you run both

[haughty flicker]

who needs kicks anyway

[hard river]

!te

!TEA

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[haughty flicker]

!te

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-gif-11816971814746635421

[normal mist]

You don't have to yell at Moroes

[thorn thorn]

!te

[thorn thorn]

I do

Cuz everytime braunpyke gets full healed by priests i pull out an entire head of hair with tweezers

@fallow canopy

[thorn thorn]

[fallow canopy]

[hexed harbor]

why they gotta do assa like that lol. just saw the whispyr video. ima stick with assa but ima be so sad just knowing that im losing so much dps lol

[spice surge]

Thats all rogue specs for ya

[hexed harbor]

its probly not a huge deal for me anyways considering im still pretty terrible at assa. but its practically pointless to have 4pc if it doesnt work right. let alone if hero spec talents arent working properly/at all its almost like theyre asking you to switch to sub or outlaw

[balmy condor]

oh sweet summer child

[spice surge]

Swap to the other specs where things arent working either

[thorn thorn]

Yea cuz sin is clearly the only spec in the game this broken

Its bad

[haughty flicker]

sub is famously bug free

[hexed harbor]

i mean hey idk anything about the other specs. so are we dropping rogue entirely now?

[thorn thorn]

Very buggy patch

[haughty flicker]

a safe bet

for sure

[thorn thorn]

Yea sub

[spice surge]

I mean you can do good damage and have fun even if things arent working as they should

[thorn thorn]

Very well known for being bug free

[winged sun]

Wait till the dev adds a new spell and the fireworks will begin

[hexed harbor]

do we think theyll fix it this tuesday? or no? i have a feeling the answers no

[balmy condor]

🔮

consult the orb

[winged sun]

Everytime rogue gets 1 new feature, 10 new bugs get invented

[humble verge]

fuck withings

[thorn thorn]

The orb says saturday is for the boys

[humble verge]

my scale wont tell me how fatty mcfat my body fat % is

[dapper cradle]

ask Guy to bring up rogue bugs at the next shareholders meeting

[hexed harbor]

it said no

[spice surge]

Darn

Theres always next week pal

[thorn thorn]

You said this tuesday

Could be tomorrow

Could be wednesday

Could be never

Probably never

[little tulip]

does anyone have a focus macro for trinkets?

also just saying put out a charcuterie board and rogue buffs will be confirmed

[hexed harbor]

i also feel like im doing something wrong lol. cause i have a focus macro for tanks so i can focus use ToT on them

i know theres a weakaura or something i can use but i tried using it and it didnt work for me

[naive crescent]

Did you use the macro and the wa

[hexed harbor]

yeah, i directly followed the guide for it and it just didnt work for me

so i downloaded the weakaura, made the macro for it and tested it on a friend at the dummies and it didnt do anything

[main bridge]

was your friend a tank in your party?

[hexed harbor]

yup

[slim copper]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[main bridge]

if the WA is working it should say "SomePlayer is set as your tricks target" or something when they join

[spice surge]

Theres a bunch of troubleshooting tips on the WAGO page for it as well, idk its insanely comfy once you get it to work

You literally never have to think about it

[main bridge]

yeah it's so good

[hexed harbor]

yeah i gave up cause i couldnt figure it out or really understand half of it. so i just settled with a focus macro into a focus cast

[humble verge]

fix what

the 4p proc bug?

oh nvm

yeah

that WA bugs out for me too sometimes

idk why

[thorn thorn]

Late again

[hexed harbor]

whats the weakaura thing called again? i remember there was a command for it

[runic hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[runic hinge]

oh

!tott

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[hexed harbor]

ok yeah, whats left button 1 and 0 suppose to be? thats what i was trying to figure out

[main bridge]

you don't have to change anything

it Just Works™

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[thorny rain]

SO I have both Lily and Netherprism. Do I macro Lily to DM and prism to KB?

[hexed harbor]

ok so i dont have the change the priority tank name or anything it just works?

[slim copper]

dont the CDs get fucky with two on-use trinkets?

[wispy iris]

if im playing sin/sub but don't have enough daggers yet do i just do mastery enchant

[thorny rain]

they sure do lol

[humble verge]

@haughty flicker @zenith elm @thorn thorn @maiden sierra @coral ibex @spice spire @golden loom

[runic hinge]

dont have enough daggers?

[thorn thorn]

Gotta have daggers for all the shadow clones from sectec

[wispy iris]

well i only got 2

they want different enchants

[boreal mist]

Anyone have a rough idea on dps loss/gains from all the bugs

[cunning needle]

my rough napkin math says at least 1

[boreal mist]

Someone give this man a Nobel prize

[main solstice]

!macro

[cunning needle]

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[hexed harbor]

like should i change default unit to party4 or whatever the tanks main part slot is?

[cunning needle]

dont change things

[torn herald]

Yoooooo, I decided to come back to the game after a few months. Played all through season 1... Can someone give me a rundown of changes for the spec??

[main bridge]

i'm not sure there is anything really notable

still plays the same way

biggest change is that Fatebound is playable now on ST

[torn herald]

Good to hear. I see some of the guides are taking different talents. Like no kingsbane?

[main bridge]

yeah we play bleed in m+ now all the time

it got a few buffs

[wicked carbon]

You guys ever had a huge details pop in your dreams ?

I think I'm playing too much wow

[main bridge]

no...yeah it might be time to touch grass friend

[quartz lotus]

hi guys, can't find a lot of info on this: assa rogue > deathstalker's mark stacks not consumed if I use 5+ cp finishers. is there smth I'm missing?

[spice surge]

If you have darkest night up you cant consume the stacks

So you have to use your darkest night

(its a bug)

[hexed harbor]

alright now i need a tank to experiement with this wa and macro on lol

[quartz lotus]

no way

[wicked carbon]

Damn

I didn't know about that bug

[quartz lotus]

it's quite significant too 🙁 just came back to learn some rogue and stuff just doesn't work

[spice surge]

Its not significant

[quartz lotus]

doesn't it do some nice flat dmg and buff 50% dmg for mutilation if stack is consumed? kinda core of the whole tree

[spice surge]

You should generally be using darkest night asap

And on ST you wont have the marks up while darkest night is up anyway

[balmy condor]

The core of the tree is darkest night

[wicked carbon]

Aren't we losing a lot of damage by not consuming darkest night before Rupture x2 + CT on opener then ?

[mental thistle]

what is the optimal to do when u got the double cd reduction, waiting to deathmark again, or use KB without CB ?

[spice surge]

A small amount of damage yes

[quartz lotus]

hmmm maybe I just haven't noticed that it's because of darkest night. I spent 2-3 days thinking that stuff just doesn't work, even on ST

[wicked carbon]

So I should consume darkest night and only then start rupturing ?

[quartz lotus]

it's possible to play around it

[spice surge]

No

It doesnt affect how we play

Y'all are overthinking it

[balmy condor]

I mean you should prioritize darkest night over rupture generally

But you need rupture for caustic

And you don’t wanna throw your carnage window away

[quartz lotus]

I had no clue what was going on, now that you say it's darkest night and I think a bit then it's not that bad, you're right

[balmy condor]

So on an opener you would want to rupture first for that obviously

[wicked carbon]

Yeah but with subterfuge I feel like we have a lot of time to spread dots

[real granite]

So, 5 ruptures > spatter > DN

[quartz lotus]

thanks for help Whispyr and Eleem!

[balmy condor]

You still want to spatter though

[wicked carbon]

Yeah what Acroma said

[hexed harbor]

wow ok, now it wants to work. idk what i did wrong lmao

now that clears up a spot on my task bars. which means i can get a macro for focus targeting a mob.

and then filling out all the interrupt and ability macros if i want to

[mental thistle]

what is the optimal to do when u got the double cd reduction, waiting to deathmark again, or use KB without CB ?

[humble verge]

[thorn thorn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1190112426016907417/1219003833108271114/bonk_bonk_bonk_bonk.gif

[humble verge]

i usually use my kb, but its optional

[thorn thorn]

It matches perfectly

[nova kelp]

What was your favourite fighter plane as a kid though

[severe jacinth]

If rupture falls off mid pack on aoe do you just manually start rupturing again ?

[nova kelp]

Depends. Maybe yes.

Often yes

There's a lot of variables to take into account though

[thorn thorn]

How do you get these so quick on the quickdraw

[severe jacinth]

Err

[thorn thorn]

do you just have a second monitor with a folder open

[nova kelp]

You DO want rupture up as much as possible. But HOW you get them changes potentially

Like. If you're fighting 5 mobs and your rupture is about to run out. But they're at liike 4% hp. Busting a vanish... Probably not the best move

[haughty flicker]

OR

you vanish and get giga sudden demise

[nova kelp]

At the same time. Your rupture is about to run out on 3 Mobs at 48% but you're also about to run into a section you know you're going to be chain pulling...
Busting your current 1 charge of vanish... Probably not a good move

[severe jacinth]

I see I see

Thanks toes person

[nova kelp]

Hahahaha

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255527413081833556/1398288299440734259/7-25-2025_15-57-39.gif

[nova kelp]

I will note though. Don't permanently sit on cds without using them at the same time. They're there to use. Just use them smart.

[humble verge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/650765025623015455/1356331532700225731/6FLQfnP4PvB_nIw5jj_7dA-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif?=

[dim nymph]

@balmy condor I'm thinking maybe making it painfully obvious in the wowhead guide that the opener for spreading bleeds in m+ is super generalized lol I think I've seen about 90 people today ask the same question haha

[nova kelp]

@humble verge sir. You posted an image with your childhood interests. I believe I'm still waiting for an answer on your favourite fighter plane.

I will not relent on this.

[balmy condor]

https://imgur.com/A6FDF2s

[gritty laurel]

you may be overestimating the overlap on people reading the entire wowhead guide and people asking questions here

[amber brook]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[balmy condor]

welcome to class discords

[dim nymph]

There is a rotation section

its actually almost impossible to miss lol

[balmy condor]

yeah

[gritty laurel]

yes, i have read the guide and know what's in it

[balmy condor]

but have you seen the metrics

[gritty laurel]

doesn't change what i said

[haughty flicker]

i intentionally dont read the wowhead guide

[balmy condor]

for how many people don't read that

[haughty flicker]

why would i do that when i can just annoy whispyr

[spice surge]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/wF1A72G0iZG940ZlMEQU_gKjQSMlKFKjmZ-Y4mXfPuI/https/i.imgur.com/hYeI19O.mp4

[thorn thorn]

I am tickled that you think there is any chance people will read it

[runic hinge]

i mean most of the people in here will say "ive read the guide but please explain to me the entire spec"

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/965458290358235147/1381396293741449371/2025-06-0822-38-39-Xephyris-TheaterofPain191-Clippedat2025-06-0900-09-58-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[balmy condor]

70% of all guide clicks start and end on the overview page

they scroll to cheat sheet

and then close it

[runic hinge]

https://imgur.com/6yTR1eW

[nova kelp]

Wtf is happening. Where are all these clips coming from?

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1181688324734320752/1347913156671832145/paladintank.gif

[humble verge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1396268896989741218/big2.gif

[nova kelp]

Bro pre nerf those wrench throws gave you irl cte

[tawdry halo]

average DH tank

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/890161922937344011/1122529917612068884/b2c7e6143bbc157910d8a49240007a2d.gif

[nova kelp]

Omg
"Big"

[spice surge]

Thats a dh dps

But ye

[tawdry halo]

o

average DH

[thorn thorn]

https://imgur.com/sPSnQ6a

https://imgur.com/mftGPmI

[fringe mist]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[humble verge]

why would i read the guide, when i have an answer bot here in the discord

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/462658384295100427/1408530850265694278/chobotchu_-_1958653731836162201.gif

[marble hemlock]

where did you get this? thats my ex guildie, i made that one

[thorn thorn]

A magician never reveals his secret

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/206466559672188928/1296588298214703160/Discord_IqX6veKvPV-ezgif.com-optimize.gif

[nova kelp]

How every of models bf feels

[tawdry halo]

the BM ping is chefs kiss

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/connection-issue-world-of-warcraft-cataclysm-easy-latam-doerhamy-gif-25948098

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1063558942841651322/1267029746194186331/Animation.gif

[thorn thorn]

Are you for real on this?

[keen spruce]

quak

[thorn thorn]

https://imgur.com/a/iPR5gaB

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-duck-gif-1363576254939741235

[thorn thorn]

https://imgur.com/KtD9lyj

[hexed harbor]

this was what i got for assa rotation for M+ does it match?

[thorn thorn]

Ok so 2 things

first is why are we taking advice from a paladin player

second

[tawdry halo]

no

[thorn thorn]

why are we taking advice from someone named Coksynormus

[hexed harbor]

aye they sounded knowledgeable. dont ask me

[thorn thorn]

Yes Coksynormus

[nova kelp]

I mean. It will work. But it's inefficient

[keen spruce]

I mean I've seen worse

[thorn thorn]

The very well known sin rogue

[hexed harbor]

only 2 things you can ask me is why im stupid and why im so bad at WoW

[thorn thorn]

Same king

[marble hemlock]

yeah?

[thorn thorn]

[gritty laurel]

like it isn't that it's categorically wrong, it's that you're better off working to understand where your damage comes from in aoe than trying to memorize a combo

you don't have to burn a global on ambush if you have DN from the last pack, for example, and can get CT out faster

[hexed harbor]

i mean i took it as something to keep in mind, not to generally use it as a combo breaker or something lol. cause i screwed my rotation up for the entire dungeon so i literally never had energy that dungeon

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/3YP4Ztc.jpeg

[keen spruce]

The fundamentals are pretty much correct though

U just

ambush if you need mark

spread bleeds

CD

[thorn thorn]

[keen spruce]

CT*

[marble hemlock]

so you better pay royalties

[thorn thorn]

Thats funny

I wont

[keen spruce]

get spatter up

[marble hemlock]

but im glad its making the rounds

[keen spruce]

press cds

[marble hemlock]

was just so funny

[thorn thorn]

It showed up in Wyrmrest Temple

Favorited it instantly

[gritty laurel]

if you're energy starved in aoe you need to keep rupture up on 5 enemies (5 because it maxes scent stacks)

[hexed harbor]

they mentioned my caustic spatter needed to be higher on the dps chart which was probly the issue i had, alongside forgetting that auto using tea is a thing and that its literally the worst thing to come to rogue imo

[gritty laurel]

refer to my username

[hexed harbor]

your name is

[gritty laurel]

auto tea isn't making you starved in aoe

or in ST for that matter

[cunning needle]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExYmE4dmowYzZ4OXF6eGN1bnphZHBpazlhc3Y3YWx1bGpmOXVyaXE0ciZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/bDJlfnxWnjbEdQ7C39/giphy.gif

[thorn thorn]

https://media.giphy.com/media/FfM4ClWXUl2pENCGl4/giphy.gif

[keen spruce]

it doesn't rly change anything

just macro it to shiv and forget about it

if you're running out of energy in ST then you're not putting enough bleeds out

well ruptures specificially

in ST you're gonna starve that's normal

[thorn thorn]

If you are running out of energy in ST you are playing assassination in 2025

[marble hemlock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1215428576254369852/1301277960506048512/World_Of_Warcraft_2024.10.30_-_21.09.36.09.DVR_-_Trim.mp4?ex=68acc40a&is=68ab728a&hm=62e94ab7a177826c7ed142472d05889fe12ad82f5914c3f1a6334ec0edd3881d&

this one was fun too

(not for me)

[thorn thorn]

What da hell even happened here

[marble hemlock]

i just randomly got gripped

bad RNG

[hexed harbor]

right but its the issue that i cant do my rotation and leave the tea out of it. i genuinely wish they had something in the settings for rogue so i can just never have it be automatically used

[thorn thorn]

[drifting cloud]

brother stop thinking about tea

[gritty laurel]

why would you want to leave tea out of the rotation? it's always up when your other cooldowns are up

[drifting cloud]

and fix your fundamentals

[nova kelp]

Ignore tea

[nova kelp]

Tea is only in your mind

There is no tea

[thorn thorn]

The fucking balls to just sit there and not move

[jade saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/tea-spill-the-tea-gif-26065976

[keen spruce]

I saw the light

I crunched the numbers

[nova kelp]

Honestly they should just make tea completely passive. Just to stop people over complicating it more than they did when it was manual lol.

[gritty laurel]

somehow that'll just make them complain louder

[thorn thorn]

Its basically passive at this point

[keen spruce]

(it was like 100 pulls in and I was curious)

[thorn thorn]

Bro

Doing that kind of test

100 pulls in

Is diabolical

[keen spruce]

turns out

[gritty laurel]

it would be cool if tea timing mattered but the reality is that it just doesn't right now

[keen spruce]

you could actually not move a lot

of the time

[hexed harbor]

right but does macroing it change anything as to how its used? cause i could use my aoe opener in M+ and accidentally pop a tea when nothings up

[nova kelp]

Limit testing deep in prog mid pull is absolute Chad behaviour

[gritty laurel]

it changes nothing, you just macro to shiv and forget that tea exists

[keen spruce]

you'll always have a tea when you need it

cuz the CDs sync up

[gritty laurel]

like how we unbound slice and dice and forgot it exists

[hexed harbor]

[keen spruce]

and otherwise it's just gonna drink the extra ones when you need energy

[thorn thorn]

If you are popping a tea in aoe then you are not doing the opener right

Unless its like

2 targets

[keen spruce]

no not limit testing xD

[thorn thorn]

But thats not really aoe thats just cleave

[keen spruce]

just tired and fed up

[thorn thorn]

Understandable

[keen spruce]

that was the first set

and I had cheat death

[hexed harbor]

well the issue is im fine in high count aoe, but once that pack slowly dies out and im trying to pop my rotation again so like keeping some dots up and using mutilate i accidentally use too much energy sometimes and pop another tea.... or 2

its never a problem unless i forget to save energy

[thorn thorn]

Oh no

Anyway

Just rupture snipe

[gritty laurel]

popping tea isn't really a problem in that scenario. it sounds like you're not refreshing ruptures after carnage

which is a fundamentals issue

[thorn thorn]

Get mucho energy from rupture sniping

[nova kelp]

You're really overthinking things you don't need to consider. At all. Move your focus.

[hexed harbor]

really? cause i feel like i overuse rupture lmao

[thorn thorn]

Also worth noting sin isnt a spec (currently) that is intended to just spam buttons constantly

In aoe energy is infinite

[keen spruce]

just
-Maintain DSM
-Maintain ruptures
-Maintain garrote on main target
-Maintain CT
-Maintain spatter

[thorn thorn]

But as target count lowers you will naturally just generate less

Just how it goes

[keen spruce]

and you're have infinite energy

[gritty laurel]

you should be refreshing it in pandemic as long as the mob will live long enough/you need energy

[keen spruce]

in AoE

and do fine dmg

[cunning needle]

dont think so hard mate

just press buttons

keep up bleeds

press envenom with caustic

[thorn thorn]

Ok genuinely I really hate this picture and I always have

I hate how accurate it always is

[cunning needle]

[gritty laurel]

i love it for that reason

[thorn thorn]

It just pisses me off how fucking real it is

[gritty laurel]

it also applies to worrying about the threat of using public wifi

[cunning needle]

im still waiting for a chance to drop this picture again

[nova kelp]

Noooooo but the phish?!

[thorn thorn]

Ok I think this is still relevant

[nova kelp]

Hahhaahha the "shoots massive crafting order" gets me

[hexed harbor]

i probly need to refresh my memory on what everything looks like. makes sense why im not so good cause i havnt played assassin before. so this is the first time. still surprisingly doing good dps when i get it right tho so its fun

[cunning needle]

yeah honestly if you time the key

youre not competing on the tank for damage

who cares

[gritty laurel]

it takes time like any other spec, you'll work it out

[cunning needle]

yeah things will click

[keen spruce]

it just takes some reps. There's just a checklist of things you need to keep running

and generally do your CDs correctly

and stuff will just happen

[cunning needle]

just don't hold cooldowns

thats probably the #1 mistake people make in m+

[keen spruce]

yeah in keys it's better to just send on CD like 99% of the time

[arctic shale]

anyone know the "melee range" of kick?

[cunning needle]

thinking they need to hold their cd for a big pack

[keen spruce]

even if it's like a 5pack before a boss

just fuckin send it

[cunning needle]

yup

[arctic shale]

3, 4, 5 yards?

[gritty laurel]

a wise cat ear anime avatar once said "a bad kingsbane is better than no kingsbane"

[cunning needle]

the entire dungeon is one big boss fight

[cunning needle]

i assume melee range

so 5 yards

[keen spruce]

you'll end up with like 3-4 more DM casts

over the dungeon

do way more dmg

[cunning needle]

reminder that you have a 30% nature damage amp or something

[hexed harbor]

yeah since ive been running higher keys now ive been trying to learn the situational stuff and get better at using my rotation properly alongside, remembering that i can pop deathmark alot more in pulls and off cooldown which will help alot

[cunning needle]

after DM runs out

[nova kelp]

From my pov. It sounds like youre thinking very rigidly. Like you HAVE to follow a specific rotation etc but applying it to sections of our throughput that are very... Vibey. Cp gen is all over the place at times. So shit changes on the fly a lot.

As you get comfortable this will relax a heap.

Don't waste cp. Keep up your shit. Use cds but don't waste them. And vibe.

As sin you have time to vibe

[hexed harbor]

my big question is do i just spam envenom even with caustic spatter up?

[cunning needle]

yes

[nova kelp]

So long as your bleeds are going. Yes

[gritty laurel]

spatter is the reason to spam envenom in aoe

[hexed harbor]

i know that at some point ill learn the times on when i just need to auto, and then pop dots on things alongside keeping caustic spatter and envenom up

[gritty laurel]

the fun part for aoe is that you don't just stand and auto, you have enough energy to go hog wild

but yeah, for bosses you'll feel it out

[nova kelp]

I mean honestly we could just make a !pooling command that just had moroes reply "don't"

[hexed harbor]

yeah, in raid i dont have an issue cause mechanics are mainly happening so i always have a good point in time where i can regen energy. but for dungeons its sometimes hard to keep up especially if im not smart with rotations or keeping energy for something

[gritty laurel]

keep enough ruptures out to cap scent and you won't even notice energy problems, i wouldn't overthink "keeping energy"

[nova kelp]

I would say "energy isn't real it can't hurt you" but like it factors into other things too

[hexed harbor]

ah ok yeah, i swear ive read the talent tree like 5million times over to try and learn it but i always forget some things

[thorn thorn]

Maybe they will give the bleed energy regen that fancy new system wildstalker and apparitions on shadow use

[hexed harbor]

like i see it happening and noticed it happening but never could put the two together.

[thorn thorn]

Might even result in not being energy starved in ST and energy overflow in aoe

[gritty laurel]

i dunno, i'm not sure i want to be yet another GCD locked spec

[spice surge]

I dont think they necessarily need to increase the energy regen

They just need to give us a reason to care about energy

Like the chaining of envenoms s3 of dragonflight felt pretty good

You would sit and afk with a purpose waiting for something specific

Instead of "guess i cant press buttons now"

[thorn thorn]

It wouldnt GCD lock it, it would just smoothen the peak and valleys of energy

Which also wouldnt do anything

Currently anyway

No reason to care about energy

[thorn thorn]

Their attempt to do so with sanguine blades was notable

Imagine if KB was stronk

Like amirdrassil

[lethal arrow]

tf u do when u have 13k mastery and 18k crit

[tawdry halo]

crit lots

[thorn thorn]

Vibers

Crit a lot and big mastery bonus

[slim copper]

does atrophic from two rogues stack in raid? Is it multiplicative?

[cunning needle]

yes

and diminishingly

[slim copper]

ok thanks

[devout quest]

how should i be simming for it to be accurate on assa rogue or is there a guide on it somewhere in here?

[spice spire]

No

[thorn thorn]

y

[main bridge]

patchwerk for ST and dungeon slice for m+

[keen spruce]

the pooling vibes were the best assas has been in a while

[fringe mist]

!wa

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[keen spruce]

There's a bunch of mechanics they tried to build in to promote it but then just sort of made none of them matter

[slim copper]

what defensives work for starkiller raid wide damage?

feint? cloak?

on Saladbar

[haughty pewter]

So during M+ bosses, we're just sitting there not trying to go below 50% energy?

[true tide]

So whats the play if the fatebound tier set bugs and double procs?

[dusty crag]

a different class

[runic hinge]

hold kb to line up

[nova kelp]

No

[spring prawn]

we just hd a dude in our 14 gambit saying "why no dps?" eventho we were doing perfectly fine for 2 chest.... dude just repeat pulled stuff to deplete timer so he could leave... guess thats one way to dodge the leaver penalty

[main bridge]

yikes

hope you reported

[nova kelp]

3 chest or fucking nothing bro

Do you even wow?

[main bridge]

i am so grateful i don't have to pug

[haughty pewter]

Is there somewhere that explains M+ boss rotation, because i feel like i'm doing something wrong sitting under 3m dps fights without ramps

[nova kelp]

Honestly that kinda just sounds about normal. Our direct st is kinda bad in the bleed build. If you can drag in adds for funnel etc then it gets better. But PURE st. No. Is bad.

But yeah for sure there's a rotation available in the Wowhead guide

[sharp sinew]

!wa

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[upper spear]

am i trolling for not playing Nelf in M+? Shadow meld is basically another vanish?

[main bridge]

we already have two vanish charges so idk i think trolling would be a strong word for that

[balmy condor]

it is not

calling meld a vanish

[upper spear]

ya but a 3rd for just reapplying dots on packs that live too long

is good, no?

vs orc atk pwr racial

[coral ibex]

it doesnt work like that

[haughty pewter]

I've used the wowhead guide. It's somewhat helpful, but I find that I do more damage spamming crimson tempest while keeping Caustic Spatter up until I get a DM proc for Envenom.

[main bridge]

what's a DM proc

[haughty pewter]

Deathstalkers Mark

[main bridge]

not sure i would call that a proc

[haughty pewter]

the guaranteed crit w/ 60% increased damage

[main bridge]

that's Darkest Night

[haughty pewter]

Well it's guaranteed, but until its up, that's what im doing. well yeah that

[main bridge]

and the essence of your rotation is using finishers to get back to DN as soon as possible

it's good to use CT but it's not the only priority

[coral ibex]

spamming CT is wrong

its a dot

[haughty pewter]

I know that, keeping rupture up on targets that'll live, garrote on the main target, and caustic spatter, only using 5 combo points+

[haughty pewter]

I know its a dot, I just seee my damage is larger when I use CT at 5+ over envenom in large packs, unless there's a darkest night proc

[coral ibex]

once you apply CT you dont need to reapply it before pandemic

[runic hinge]

Youre just refreshing the dot

[coral ibex]

envenom into your caustic target is better

i'm 100% sure

[nova kelp]

If you hit fewer things with the new ct you might also make the refreshed version weaker

Regardless though. Still better off spattering like a 🌽⭐

[haughty pewter]

I'd love to spatter around, I just see my dps noticeably fall off overall when i do that, and with the CT spam I can keep up with Frost DK's and Arcane Mages

[nova kelp]

I mean. That just can't be the case

[main bridge]

why are you here if you don't care about what the guide or anyone else says?

[coral ibex]

you must be playing with extremely bad players if CT spam is "keeping up" with frost dk's and arcane mages

like

[nova kelp]

If you hit ct twice in a row you've not gained any damage

[coral ibex]

it is simply impossible to "keep up" by spamming your CT dot

with players that know how to play the game

[nova kelp]

You're gained a potential tick at the END

[coral ibex]

CT does do some alpha damage but its not an amount that is worth spamming

[nova kelp]

I mean yeah that's fair for accuracy tbf

But still

[haughty pewter]

I never said that, I was asking for help with single target M+

[main bridge]

yeah but when people tell you stuff you're like

that's cool when i do it wrong i see better damage

[coral ibex]

this isn't even a perfect pull but you can see i dont spam ct, i refresh it in pandemic

are you telling me you think most of these envenom casts should be CT refreshes?

[dapper parcel]

Newb question peeps. Playing the Shiv / DS build for mythic dungeons. Are you guys binding tea to your shiv or to you DM cooldown?

[main bridge]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[nova kelp]

@haughty pewter
In the end the gist is
Get DSM up. Maintain bleeds. Use cds and spam envenom.

This is actually the same for aoe and st
The only diff is how many things you bleed.

[main bridge]

use this ^

[keen spruce]

spamming CT does the same thing as spamming rupture in single target

don't do that

it's just a bleed

[main bridge]

even if you knew nothing about rogue it should be obvious that spamming a DoT is not correct

[haughty pewter]

Now that would be insane..

[keen spruce]

it is literally the same

don't spam ct

[coral ibex]

surely reading this will clear it up

as it shows that CT is a dot

[chilly nimbus]

yo, one question. So many vods say assa rogue has funnel dmg. Someone knows how assa has funel dmg?

[main bridge]

check out Scent of Blood

the CT tooltip above is another example

[upper spear]

doesnt shadow meld give us indescrim carnage? or no?

[keen spruce]

singular focus, scent of blood, and extra energy from bleeds

[nova kelp]

And singular focus

[coral ibex]

fok spam giving 7 cp

[slim copper]

so shadowstepping dimensius? bad idea

[nova kelp]

Depends on phase and where you need to be

First phase it tends to put me smack back in front of his belly button

Last phase... I've not tried but idk why you would

[slim copper]

ya it was first phase but it spawned me in front of him but off the platform

[nova kelp]

Hahahaha

Welcome to wow

Use a mouse over bind to land on a teammate

[keen spruce]

or make a macro to step to a DK

[nova kelp]

∆

[keen spruce]

the raz special

[proud charm]

Yo doing 15s in my first assa character this season, are you guys saving vanishes x1 stack in case your tank wants to chain pull, or are you using it all in to get more dmg ?

[keen spruce]

depends

either can be correct situationally

[proud charm]

You loss a lot I feel if you spend all your vanish stacks, overall wise; if tank are chainoulling a lot.

Like in AraAra or Hattonements

Correct me if i am wrong

[keen spruce]

idk I never had an issue in ara in s1

you just kind of keep rolling ruptures through the whole first area

get stealths when you can

if you're in comms just tell your tank if you need a restealth for a specific pull when your vanishes are down

that only happens like maybe once a dungeon though normally

[spring prawn]

which plater is that? got a link by chance?

[tacit wedge]

Thats atrocity for sure

[nova kelp]

The worst thing at the start of arakara is your bleeds selecting the tiny little adds that just pop.

[keen spruce]

yeah that shit is turbo annoying

but if anyone has any other aoe they die instantly anyways

first pull is just big spoody anyways

let spatter do the heavy lifting

2nd area is pretty much all big explody guys

and 3rd platform is kind of the same as 1

[coral ibex]

atrocityui

its a paid ui pack

but its built on jundies

so you could use jundies and its pretty much the same

[trail vortex]

any news on the billion bugs?

[quiet oriole]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[haughty flicker]

they do be buggin

[runic hinge]

would you guys still love me if i switched up on my day 1's

[haughty flicker]

depends

do you still love me

[runic hinge]

maybe

[oak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-up-dry-heave-vomit-gross-eww-gif-23254758

though tbf

[haughty flicker]

im kinda just tired of rogue atm

[nova kelp]

Wait. Who in their right mind doesn't make their details name something mental?

[oak musk]

Like Game?

[haughty flicker]

Game

[nova kelp]

Not using details nicknames is crazy work

[haughty flicker]

imagine not having everyone in your guild named luigi on details last tier

[runic hinge]

I'd be waluigi just cause

[nova kelp]

Nothing lives up to rocking around in some lfr or pug and someone pipes up "excuse me creampie senpai do you need those pants?"

[oak musk]

Goblin tier is luigi tier never forget

[runic basin]

so if im right, we get a nerf when they fix our bugs?

[runic hinge]

no

[wicked carbon]

Guys any advice for dealing with Bront's charge when Keeza is doing her frontal ?

I always end up stuck behind her and can't get Bront to charge a bomb without taking a big risk of dying

[shut marsh]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NjVyQDcGAHbx81Jf?fight=67&type=summary&source=1743
question can anyone help me with my rotation point out what im doing wrong? my dmg is way lower than what its supposed to be ;-; ( i just a few weeks ago )

[haughty flicker]

ok well fatebound on forgeweaver is a bit cursed

[shut marsh]

my dmg was worse with the deathstalker ones ;-;

[haughty flicker]

this is not the greatest cooldown sequence ive ever seen

you did it right in the opener so just make sure to always do it that way

[runic hinge]

BLIND

[shut marsh]

YO

I fat fingered it

[haughty flicker]

you just didnt shiv the kingsbane after this at all

and you vanished that kingsbane

save vanish for the 3m deathmark

[grim jay]

Why

[haughty flicker]

then you skipped shiv entirely on another kingsbane

you started out the fight well you just got sloppy as it went on

[shut marsh]

mage friend made me download thingy so ive been using that as a semi guildline

[haughty flicker]

nothing much for it but practice

oh ew

[grim jay]

Brotherman, we will always love you, even if you disappoint us

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-smash-wood-playing-gif-17749007

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-dance-gif-25134657

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-stab-monkey-knife-roof-gif-13841993

The OG rogue monkey

[thorn thorn]

@keen spruce Good news

New person has done their first key on healer

20 deaths

[dim meteor]

hey. if im fatebound and i vanish do i always use garrote?

midfight

[barren yarrow]

Guess it depends on if you’re in your pandemic window. It’s not apart of the rotation though if that’s what you’re asking.

[dim meteor]

hvaent a hard time doing more hten lik 3-3.4m dps on heroic saldahar

[grim jay]

It depends on your talents

If you run garrote talents, you use garrote

[haughty flicker]

is this the same guy we've been hearing stories of

[grim jay]

If you dont it doesnt matter

[haughty flicker]

because idk if i want to be in a group with them as healer

i respect the hustle though

[dim meteor]

and if not would i use envenom?

[grim jay]

Doesnt matter

[dim meteor]

is it only btween envenom or garrote? or mutilate too

[grim jay]

You dont vanish to use a certain ability

Mutilate too

[dim meteor]

sorry just started playing again and just made a rogue 2 weeks ago lol

[grim jay]

Vanish is only to trigger a fatebound talent if you dont use garrote talents that interact with stealth

[dim meteor]

whats the fatebound talent called trying to fin dit

[fallow canopy]

double jeopardy

[keen spruce]

[dim meteor]

ty

[runic hinge]

me

[runic hinge]

appreciate you

[runic hinge]

the key went terribly we're back on rogue

[weary spear]

Why blizz trying to sell me early access to next expac when my spec is already broken this expac

[neat plank]

Many interactions already don't work now, not sure about adding another hero talent row...

[bronze pike]

maybe the new row will fix fatebounds inability to not fuck st when a new mob appears

[elfin fossil]

How much does the caustic singular focus affect our dps?

The bug

[neat plank]

Tbh I don't think that's coming back 🙂 Was probably never intended

[bright tartan]

So arcane reigns supreme, sweet

[haughty flicker]

im kinda gaming

[shell plaza]

hey, what is the TLDR for the netherprism trinket use, if someone knows?

[flint escarp]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[little magnet]

I have it in macro on my rune but dont know if that is the way

[haughty flicker]

use it every 3m as fatebound

[zenith elm]

❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[haughty flicker]

use just on deathmark like normal as ds

[little magnet]

yay!

Is dungeon slice on raid bots sim showing roughly correct results for assa?

[runic hinge]

The dragon boss in gambit was too strong. We wiped there like 6 times

Got the ten done. Vault secured

[inland plaza]

hey everyone wanted to ask what happend with the bug? and if i prog should i swtich to sub now :P?

[restive hawk]

yes and no, not super accurate but the best option we have

[flint escarp]

is there a command for one of those opener cheat sheets?

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[jolly stirrup]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[jolly stirrup]

Check wowhead guide

Rotation

[bright turret]

nice to see 4set is bugged and im not losing my mind with CDs being desynced

[somber zodiac]

if i really want to take iron wire whats the beste drop in bleed m+ build?

[brisk forge]

Not worth it

Imo

[somber zodiac]

lmao

[white tide]

hey guys quick question, was going through some logs and seen this on first boss mythic, kingsbane casts withinn ~ 30 secs? Is it this double proc bug or how is this possible?

[thorn thorn]

Friend of the person

[rotund oak]

just play the superior class bro

[thorn thorn]

Bro its seriously so jover

He is literally playing holy priest

It doesnt get any easier

[thorn thorn]

My expectations were in hell and yet i was still surprised by how little was delivered

[grim jay]

Im really enjoying sub rn ngl, since im kinda annoyed by the sin bugs

Also trying to get in touch with arcane mage again

[balmy condor]

that's the double proc bug yes, 1 min normally, 15 seconds intended, double proc would be 30 seconds

[white tide]

-.- okay thats annoying, i thought im doing something wrong, thanks @balmy condor

[rotund oak]

the momentum bug driving me crazy

thought i wasnt pressing soemthing

[keen spruce]

send his ass to hunter or ret prison

[rotund oak]

was coping hard with my age again

[thorn thorn]

He only wants to play healer

And honestly

I dont think he could play ret

[grim jay]

Just let him play resto druid

Cant fuck up much

And he doesnt even need to react as fast to everything