assassination

[warm vortex]

Bleed

[bleak prairie]

Fair enough

[warm vortex]

The 4pc is much better for bleed than hybrid/ cleave too

[oak tangle]

i just click buttons

[warm vortex]

As you use shiv much more in bleed

[glacial relic]

Cleave feels terrible to play this season

[warm vortex]

Most people probably don’t like playing cleave

[humble verge]

who in the hell

[bleak prairie]

and outside of deathmark its just shiv on cd for the set bonus right?

[humble verge]

invites WW

to gambit

[warm vortex]

A windwalker fan

[subtle tundra]

i would

windwalkers deserve love

not biased

[warm vortex]

You deserve love

[golden loom]

dimensius still being alive is sick

[subtle tundra]

can't stop addicted to the shindig

chop top he says im gonna win big

[dense cedar]

WW lovely spec :)

[subtle tundra]

choose not a life of imitation

distant cousin to the reservation

[warm vortex]

Wonder when he is going to die
And to whomst

[subtle tundra]

today! today! today!

[runic hinge]

Me first

[warm vortex]

Wasn’t there like a power out for echo or smth

[golden loom]

feel like liquid going to bed with the boss at 17% means it probably lives for a while

[warm vortex]

I just remember someone saying gingie sent an EMP and it got spell reflected or something

[subtle tundra]

idk im spitting random words

[golden loom]

based

[runic hinge]

Gn team

[warm vortex]

Night

[subtle tundra]

i dont even play the game

[subtle tundra]

miau

[prisma grail]

does anyone know where i can find zeross rupture macro?

[golden loom]

what does the macro do

[balmy condor]

I got 5 bucks that it's just a generic mouseover macro

[subtle tundra]

i dont bet against the house

[prisma grail]

guys any good weakauras for m+ here?

[balmy condor]

that do what

[prisma grail]

dunno, just any thing useful, im new 😄

like what would be ur must have?

for sin

[sharp lily]

two daggers and a dream

[golden loom]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[prisma grail]

thanks bro

[stark matrix]

I use Devlins and the S3 dungeons WA

[balmy condor]

those aren't specific to m+ mind you

those are just assa trackers

[quasi ledge]

New to assa or new to M+?

[balmy condor]

but yeh, just anything that lets you track your stuff

and then bigwigs or a dungeon wa or something

[stark matrix]

https://wago.io/vAOPlg91t/21

[prisma grail]

yea i got that one, do you guys use anything that lets you track rupture?

or just look at the nameplate

basically use my eyes 😄

[golden loom]

the wa packs track rupture but also platers usually track them

personally I look more at the name plates for pandemic timers and such but depends on what you are used to

[arctic dust]

When tracking scent of blood in M+ it shows the 4% stacks I gained per enemy ruptured. However I dont want to calculate, I want to go braindead and get an easy way to know the amount of mobs I have a rupture on. Somebody know how to set that up in a WA?

[zealous skiff]

On my phone so can't link but I use a WA with conditions to convert 4 stacks of scent of blood into a "1" visual etc...

[balmy condor]

is that more useful for people?

my wa counts scent stacks but like idk

either I see 20 and I go "20 is max scent, no more rupture"

[zealous skiff]

I think I am wired differently

[balmy condor]

or I see 5 and I go "5 rupture is max scent, no more rupture"

[arctic dust]

5 seems less to read 😇

[balmy condor]

I mean I guess

[dim nymph]

Personally I just like seeing 5/5 it is a bit easier to glance at

[balmy condor]

would it help to color it as well?

[dim nymph]

devlins wa tracks it and he just keeps it white lol

but i can see how color would be nice

[balmy condor]

I mean my wa tracks it too

but it just tracks scent stacks

instead of the rupture amount

[dim nymph]

i mean the way its tracked is just number of ads not % of

[balmy condor]

yeah sure

idk, makes no difference to me

I can change that real quick

[arctic dust]

how though?

[dim nymph]

i could easily get used to both but maybe make it make it a personal setting people can change if they want if you do those with your wa's

[balmy condor]

depends how your weakaura is setup i guess

[stray panther]

is netherprism better than lily with 4p?

[balmy condor]

that seems like a shit ton of work for one number

[balmy condor]

it's generally just always better

[dim nymph]

Maybe just make a standalone wa?

I'm sure it would be beneficial to someone at some point lol

[balmy condor]

yah I mean easy for you to say, you're not the one that has to maintain it

[dim nymph]

ez

chatgpt

lul rekt

[marsh fjord]

I never understood why people need scent weakaura, if you rupture twice in a pack you have full scent

[real granite]

ok im starting to get tired of netherprism

3m in the dummy in dornogal before every key

[balmy condor]

but it resets when you put your key in

[real granite]

nope

it doenst

[marsh fjord]

I’m pretty sure it does

Mine does atleast

[real granite]

i see the stacks buff in mine?

[balmy condor]

when the gate drops the stacks reset

[real granite]

when the gate drops...

[marsh fjord]

Went back to zero stacks on timer to 0

[real granite]

ok fuck me

[red schooner]

[balmy condor]

bro has spent hours hitting a dummy in dorn for no reason

[real granite]

[sharp junco]

Garotte on all targets and rupture only on 5?

In aoe

[real granite]

cause sometimes your spreaded rupture hits lil guys that dies midpull

sometimes the tank chains, also, idk i rather be checking the number than eye iterating every plate

[balmy condor]

yes

[sharp junco]

How important is deathstalkers mark in AoE?

[balmy condor]

very

its your hero talent

[worldly dock]

What ??? We supposed to do rupture only on 5? And garrote on all?
I was doing rupture on all and garrote on few

[sharp junco]

I think I may have putten it on the side. Made some WA to track it better

[warm vortex]

I was doing gar and Rup until IC ends X)
Guess I was wrong too haha

[real granite]

mmh, actually, is there a targets threshold for sending fok instead of gar when still in IC?

[warm vortex]

If everything has gar you use FoK

If not
Gar

[real granite]

yeah, but when the pack is gathered, you are still in IC, still targets without gar, isnt there like a threshold where you rather fok instead of gar

you always gar in IC no matter how big the pull is?

[cedar dagger]

hey guys, i sometimes notice i have low energy

and then i keep autoattacking for decades

Do I need more haste?

[quasi ledge]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[humble verge]

him rn

[real granite]

me when i readed "when the gate drops"

[humble verge]

the game:

[marsh fjord]

New blizzard name plates they kinda look goed

[oak tangle]

but do it make mobs glow when they dont have rupture on them

does it make the big prio mob in the pack deadass Glowing to tell me "hit this one"

[zealous grail]

which trinkets are yall going for fb when raid didnt drop?

[real granite]

lily + seaforium/anubikaj

[zealous grail]

ty

[brittle cloud]

Mind linking this vid?

[marsh fjord]

No vid. Just pictures on twitter. Later tonight it will be as a vod on YouTube on the wow channel

[elder goblet]

how do u tell the sim not to use netherprism on cd

[frosty bridge]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[oblique reef]

Whats the consensus on best trinkets for M+ that come from M+?
Sacbrood / Anub / Seaforium?

[frosty bridge]

lily

[oblique reef]

Its a 90 sec trinket?

Just holding it for Deathmark?

[frosty bridge]

Feel like you would play it in keys assuming you dont have access to raid trinekts at all

[oblique reef]

Signet would be better no? 5sec longer up time

[marsh fjord]

Our new damage meters

[frosty bridge]

oh yeah, guess so

[elder goblet]

anyone know how to sim with netherprism properly? because it just uses it on cd for me.

[balmy condor]

link the sim

[elder goblet]

just closed it, 2mins il do again

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9FxoQXSR8keGHa1gCQ4Fdi

[spring oar]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[elder goblet]

fk knows in reality I just use with deathmark so idk how to tell the sim that

[quasi ledge]

Is it okay to macro Prism to vanish? I always forget it

[golden loom]

8 target 90 sec wtf

[elder goblet]

If you know you know

[topaz cedar]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[crisp venture]

if u guys play m+, are you going off of st sims or ds sims?

[cedar dagger]

guys what 2nd item do we craft with what stats/embalishment

I have dagger

[crisp venture]

wrist with embel

[cedar dagger]

whats the embel called

[crisp venture]

starts with writhing

[copper hazel]

ds

[cedar dagger]

got it

thx

@crisp venture what stats do we put on? crit/mastery or haste/mastery?

[crisp venture]

i sim

[quasi ledge]

probably crit/mast but just sim it

[cedar dagger]

Thanks boys

[ebon prism]

In all m+ pulls, one of the highest priorities is keeping up rupture on 5 targets always right? And I only ever want to vanish when I have sbs up as well as needing to reapply or apply imp garrotes? Or would I ever vanish without sbs and just garrote garrote envenom into more garrotes?

[golden loom]

sbs is not something you track or care about

[ebon prism]

Oh ok

And when I use death mark or dry shiv, is there something I want to mostly prioritize? Like never reapplying ruptures or garrotes during them and only fok/muti into envenoms nonstop based on target count?

[golden loom]

well you build with garrote during IC, you re-apply ruptures when needed for scent otherwise ur just fok envenoming yeah

[sterile fractal]

hey guys
i am confused by fatebound hero talent my stats are fine gear is decent and rotaition too but still lack of dps according warcraft logs / season 2 with death mark everything was fine

[dense cedar]

do u have a log to show us

[sterile fractal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/84652069

[warm vortex]

Finally work break

[golden loom]

well you have 0 vanish casts as fatebound

[sterile fractal]

sendd

[golden loom]

that is not good

[balmy condor]

what in the cursed fucking sim

jesus

[ebon prism]

Like let's say one or two of my rupture targets falls off so I only have 3 ruptures, but my death mark and 2 shiv charges are up. What's my priority? Fok to rupture 2 more targets so I'm back to 5? Or just ignore rupture for now until I use death mark and spam fok envenom, with muti to keep up spatter then get my rupture back to 5 targets after dm is done?

[elder goblet]

loool

[dense cedar]

you didn't vanish ever

[balmy condor]

seems to be using the trinket fine though

[dense cedar]

oh was already said

but yah that a big one

[balmy condor]

idk what you're talking about

but 1:30 8 target all buff holy hell

[golden loom]

well u will also vanish during deahtmark so you can send 1 ruptre during it which gets you enough scent stacks

[balmy condor]

crazy work

[golden loom]

but u can also refresh before

[sterile fractal]

whats the benefit of doing vanish in fatebound

[dense cedar]

this is always the case in M+

WHISPYR

[elder goblet]

what buffs would you select :)?

[dense cedar]

MAKE IT A ! COMMAND PLEASE

[red schooner]

double jeopardy

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't even sim 1:30 patchwerk aoe to begin with

[elder goblet]

Ok what would you suggest?>

[balmy condor]

dslice

[sterile fractal]

whats the best time to use vanish?

[elder goblet]

ok

[balmy condor]

but yeh idk, trinket use on that sim is fine

[red schooner]

After cooldowns used, before you've used both cold blood envenoms

[balmy condor]

the only weird thing I guess is that it uses the trinket towards the end

[golden loom]

@sterile fractal you are also just dry coldblooding for no reason

[red schooner]

In that window

[elder goblet]

Crims said to use patchwork 8 targ 1:30min always for all chars

[balmy condor]

but that's normal

[elder goblet]

not saying ur wrong

but thats what i went off

[balmy condor]

who tf is crims

[elder goblet]

XDD

mdi winner?

[balmy condor]

does he play rogue

[elder goblet]

yers

right now

[balmy condor]

that's really fucking cringe

[elder goblet]

ok well, that's where I got my info from is all. Will use slice from now on, ta.

[sterile fractal]

so yu mean using cold blood only during kingsbaane?

[golden loom]

yes u macro it to kingsbane

[golden loom]

idk he seems to be a 4k io mage player from what I can see

[ebon prism]

Does deathmark empower my envenoms at all? Or it just makes my bleeds do more to that target, and my shiv is really what's making the envenoms do more?

[balmy condor]

if you have amp poison, doubling amp poison would empower envenom

otherwise no

[balmy condor]

yeh idk, I only pay attention to rogues and I've never heard of him

[sharp viper]

mages

[pulsar plank]

Hey, should I keep garrote on prio target in aoe?

[sterile fractal]

leme see i get t hat right / after starting rotaition and using cd + cold blood i use vanish?

[balmy condor]

yes

[frozen mountain]

hey, does the nelf invis let you regain your out of invisibility buff? I thought so but i'm seeing a lot of rogue player are actually dwarves

[balmy condor]

no

I mean kinda

[pulsar plank]

and rest does not matter right? Rupture should do it

[balmy condor]

meld doesn't give you stealth effects, but it can let you restealth

sometimes

[dense cedar]

you can vanish just before DM if you want to

[balmy condor]

when it works

[red schooner]

Pretty much, use vanish, continue with rotation

[sharp viper]

that's a big if

[balmy condor]

correct, most of your energy will come from rupture cause you need to have 5 out for scent of blood

[sharp viper]

just looking at a mob keeps me in combat a lot

[balmy condor]

they're shy bro

[sharp viper]

[dense cedar]

if someone is playing dwarf its because they've been cursed by the old ones

pay them no mind

[balmy condor]

I mean dwarf is also just good

having a defensive button is good

having an offensive button is good

buttons are good

[frozen mountain]

thank you @balmy condor, for a m+ push reroll aiming for maybe title or at least to get far in rating, would you advise nelf or dwarf? (or something else)

[dense cedar]

i just don't like em

[sharp viper]

[dense cedar]

i'd rather they were all playing goblin or something

[balmy condor]

play whatever you want

[sterile fractal]

tnx guys for help

[analog sedge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
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Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

most rogues last season were playing mag'har and it wasn't even really better than regular orc, they just swapped to it cause it got buffed and was good and they wanted to

[analog sedge]

@balmy condor does ur wa have the rupture where you see how many mobs you have it on

[dense cedar]

yes

[balmy condor]

I track the scent of blood stacks, not the ruptures themselves

[dense cedar]

tracks scent

[balmy condor]

but that's the same thing really

so yes

[ebon prism]

Whispyr does your WA pack tell me I'm pretty?

[balmy condor]

no it tells you to go touch grass

[ebon prism]

Oh that's useful too

[dense cedar]

the whispyr plater will laugh at you behind your back

[ebon prism]

Is having max scent of blood stacks one of the highest highest priorities in m+ AOE settings?

[sharp viper]

weird, it does tell me that I'm pretty, maybe you need to reinstall whispyrcompliments.ogg

[dense cedar]

Whispyr "Hiya" sound when you break stealth

[nova kelp]

I LOVE this

Can we make that and make it an official link in the !WA command?

[warm vortex]

I play goblin cause it’s cool

[balmy condor]

nice

[warm vortex]

:D

[dense cedar]

[nova kelp]

I play human coz I hate being stunned

[warm vortex]

But id reroll to kobold instantly if it becomes a thing tho

I could be one with my rats

[nova kelp]

I'd reroll to ethereal or arakoa instantly if I could

[warm vortex]

Ethereal is cool

Tbh the new allied race looks neat

[proper nest]

is the Umbral Essentia potion any good for M+ ?

[rotund oak]

thats ur personal modification

[dense cedar]

wdym

its just shadowmeld on a potion

kinda waste of ur pot just to dodge like 1 attack or w/e

[warm vortex]

It’s good if your doing a meld skip and aren’t nelf

That’s it really

[dense cedar]

most of those require ur tank to be the one no?

shouldn't matter for roger player

[warm vortex]

Roger

[proper nest]

doesnt it give subterfuge proc and carnage ?

[red schooner]

me with troll

[warm vortex]

Trol

[balmy condor]

It shares a cooldown with the regular tempered potion

[rotund oak]

orcs are cool

[balmy condor]

But also

It does not give subterfuge

Because it’s meld

Meld doesn’t give subterfuge

You have to meld->stealth

[warm vortex]

Can you do that w the pot or nah? I assume so

[balmy condor]

I’m gonna be honest, I’ve never seen anyone use it

I assume you can

[warm vortex]

Yea I’ll stick to temp either way

[spice surge]

Presumably works exactly like meld does with all its jank

[warm vortex]

Tbh at this point I would have preferred meld be removed

[pulsar plank]

meld is only useful if your tank chain pulls and you are far away from the next pull and also remainder of the last pull mobs should not be able see through stealth

Also you dont want to waste a vanish or cloak stack and something channeling to you

[half dawn]

ngl im not having a fun time first time in the HC raid

[balmy condor]

Meld and stealth combat effects both

[dapper zodiac]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

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Devlin's Group
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[rose dirge]

Yo! im just wondering, when doing 14/15 keys, its kinda starting to slack with ST with bleed build

Is there any specific dungeon it is better to swap to the hybrid build?

I feel like dawnbreaker for example is cancer

[minor coyote]

[flat pier]

pfft let others do the ST you're just here for the mobs

[light mountain]

do u have netherprism? ur parse will be blue or lower until you do.

[real granite]

if the tank brings you funnel adds to the boss ur good

if not just take the L

[tropic jewel]

I mean I‘m currently swapping to sub for streets and dawnbreaker on 14 braket

Dont know if its the Right Play tho

[marsh fjord]

Never swap to hybrid

it absolutely stinks

Bleed is 100000000 million times better

[royal lantern]

its so funny cus thats literally he first time we will ever have her as a CHARACTER that actually does something

all in for that, using character is good

[real granite]

still some guys plays hybrid in some keys, like dawn or hoa, dunno if they'r just testing or cause the setup

[marsh fjord]

if they do. they are putting themself behind

[balmy condor]

Hybrid sucks real bad

[marsh fjord]

If not a purple name says anything

they dont believe it

[fleet shuttle]

Hi, Should we dry shiv on DN, or on 2 or 1 stack of ‍Deathstalker's Mark ?

[static glacier]

If you have the tierset you’d want to use it on 1-2 marks

Otherwise on dn

[fleet shuttle]

Ok thanks 🙂

[ripe canyon]

Is it normal to be so bad in Single Target with the M+ Bleed Build?

[static glacier]

You just want dn under shiv but without wasting 4pc mark effect

[marsh fjord]

Shiv is 8 seconds. if you shiv on 1 stack. you need to finish 2 times in 8 seconds. if you can do that. then you press yes

[marsh fjord]

yes

[novel star]

forgetting ds 4p

[marsh fjord]

11 seconds

[novel star]

nope that’s 2p

[ripe canyon]

Its insane, i cant compete with anyone st... o.o

[marsh fjord]

Bro shiv is 11 seconds

[novel star]

yes

[static glacier]

It’s not as bad as last season, we can compete if we get good killtimes for dm, still not great though

[novel star]

you’re forgetting that shiv removes a stack of the mark

[marsh fjord]

so he gotta finish in 11 seconds.

No i dont

[novel star]

i wasn’t talking about the duration

[marsh fjord]

thats what i mean

[novel star]

if you shiv “on 1 stack” it goes to 0 stacks + dn..?

[marsh fjord]

yeah you right

my wording is weird

[real granite]

be ready to be losing against tank wars when they can perma reflect shit

[novel star]

[marsh fjord]

he only has the finish 1 time

😄

[main nimbus]

For assa Screams of a Forgotten Sky is a good option? i cant find any info on the tier list in wowhead or other pages

[marsh fjord]

sim yourself

[marsh fjord]

you right

😄

[novel star]

all good beast

[ripe canyon]

I lost against Blood DK on one boss, i was like wtf

[marsh fjord]

No funnel is bad ST

aznd then you even have team mates pressing aoe abilities that still fuck you over

so get used to it

[static glacier]

The trinket is primarily an option / good for classes that have some way of increasing its damage inherent to their spec (eg dh crit dmg from talents, outlaw super high crit chance from bte / rp, mm hunter crit chance and damage)

We kinda put a lot of stats into mastery and haste which do nothing for it

Consider that it also stacks its damage over time, making it weaker in short fights and stronger in long fights

[ripe canyon]

How do you deal with Situations like the first Pull in Gambit?
Spreading Garrotes and Ruptures, doing CT but when I start funneling most of the lower HP Mobs are already dead

[main nimbus]

Then is a a good option similar to the bloodsac that gives dmg and agility?

[static glacier]

Spread 5 ruptures, ct and start envenoming, that pack is carried by ct and spatter

[marsh fjord]

You just do it like every pull?

Apply mark. rupture/rupture/garrote/garrote/CT/mut/deathmark/shiv

[static glacier]

I’d personally prefer blood sac over it at similar ilvl, you can simply sim though

[marsh fjord]

You put all the damage in the big guy.

[main nimbus]

im gonna try to do that

thx

[marsh fjord]

@balmy condor What do you think our apex talent gonna be

cook for us

[minor coyote]

Hello guys, hope everyone is having a blast, I'm pretty new to wow, started playing it for the first time 2 week's ago, decided to go for assassination rogue, was wondering where i can check either a video on a proper rotation on how to time, use my spells, cause I've been lacking in dps , is there any recommendations regarding rotations, or a written in-depth guide?

[marsh fjord]

Go to youtube. and type in whispyr rogue

There is a lot of guides out there for you

He covers everything you need. from basic to advanced

[minor coyote]

That name sounds familiar, i think i read a guide from him somewhere

not sure where, but i think i remember that name

[pliant remnant]

He might be the writer of the Wowhead Assassination Rogue guide

[marsh fjord]

He is our wowhead writer. + our cutie patootie.

[pliant remnant]

might or might not

[minor coyote]

oh! i see

[marsh fjord]

But thats where i would start

if you are really new

[minor coyote]

thank you, i'll check him out on youtube

i did read the guide on wowhead, but i need visual now

[marsh fjord]

if i can do it.

You can do it.

Because im dumb af

[slim hamlet]

I knew it would happen, trust. Insider info

[marsh fjord]

I hope they do something special for rogues in delves because she is also a rogue

[distant plinth]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[distant plinth]

!PLATER

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[golden loom]

valeera my goat

[twilit cargo]

do u guys have pots marcod to dm or use it manually?

[vocal seal]

yeye manual

[marsh fjord]

In m+ i have it to my DM

In raid i press it myself. because there are damage amps and different lust timings

[half dawn]

nop

[twilit cargo]

so u dont hold the pot when u know a boss fought after 2 packs ?

and just perma send potion on cd

[subtle tundra]

pot is just another cd

[marsh fjord]

I just send it to DM

[subtle tundra]

and cds are pressed on cd

and ofc you line it up with other stuff

[marsh fjord]

A pot without cooldowns is completely useless

[twilit cargo]

obv

im saying with deathmark

on boss

[marsh fjord]

Yeah thats what i said right?

[twilit cargo]

but ull use deathmark 2 packs before

with pot up

thats what i mean

then 1 pack no cd

[marsh fjord]

Yeah the ni dont have pot up for boss

[twilit cargo]

then boss with cds up but no pot

okk

[marsh fjord]

Sometimes i do. depends on pulling really.

[last skiff]

imagine

[slim hamlet]

the special thing about rogues already exist, it is to let you skip 95% of the delve It was such a pain going from rogue to another class and having to actually kill things

[minor coyote]

are these like combo points and debuffs on boss

good enough

to keep track of all the important stuff

[gilded stump]

Is sub spec better in streets key?

I feel like it's quite boss heavy, so sub might be a better shout for overall?

[slim hamlet]

Besides if you want to see your subterfuge/IC/imp garrote buff. You will also need at least some way to track your Darkest Night buff

[gilded stump]

Or should we switch to kingsbane build over bleed for streets?

[slim hamlet]

Also will likely want numbers on those debuffs to know when to use shiv, vanish and stuff

[minor coyote]

thats what i wanted to ask

the seconds showing there

would be so nice

but idk where to add

[slim hamlet]

hmm base blizzard UI I assume? idk if you can until Midnight expansion when they update nameplates massively tbh

[tidal shard]

anyone can tell me assa rotation and gos for pvp

[earnest remnant]

#pvp

[marsh fjord]

hahaha yeah its nice

[marsh fjord]

Have you seen the new name plates

they actually look really nice

[timber urchin]

this is gonna sound like a dumb question but has anyone got the dawnbreaker dagger on hc track yet? ive done 25 runs and ive not even seen it drop

[marsh fjord]

yeah it dropped a few times for me

when i was farming the ring

[timber urchin]

crazy bad luck then

ive had the ring 3 times

[marsh fjord]

Honestly. i dont think its worth farming that dagger

[green peak]

Hi - is there a well regarded youtuber who puts out video guides for rogue / assa that someone could direct me toward please?

[marsh fjord]

Type in the name whispyr

🙂

[timber urchin]

there isnt a better dagger from m+?

[green peak]

thanks very much will do that

[oblique slate]

Any log understanders and optimization knowers wanna help out with my log? Looking to minmax a couple of things

[timber urchin]

im currentrly running the 720 MH and a 8/8 adventurer OH

[marsh fjord]

there isnt you right. but what i mean is that there are so many daggers that you can farm and the difference is so little

There are also two daggers from raid

If you have a shitty one. yeah you can farm it.

[timber urchin]

i dont raid, and if im going to farm an m+ one, i want to farm the best one

[marsh fjord]

yeah then dawnbreaker is your best bet

[timber urchin]

although i might unsub before it drops at this point

[marsh fjord]

Sure. can always look over it

[oblique slate]

Thank you, forwarding it to you in DMs

[slim hamlet]

Yea honestly every couple of hours I check wowhead and there is something new super nice stuff for midnight. They also keep yoinking systems from final fantasy and just simply making them better, so I know they will be useful. Very excited

[marsh fjord]

Same.

[minor coyote]

welp

[slim hamlet]

The new nameplate stuff seemingly would make me not need addons at all tbh. The only thing I can think of is for the buff tracker, I assume you likely wont be able to have as much conditional stuff as with weakauras. I don't typically have very many conditions and rather keep it in my head when to actually use buffs, but for example with deathstalker I decided to make Clear the Witness only show in situations where I should actually be consuming it. Probably won't have that in base ui

[minor coyote]

time to watch a movie

[slim hamlet]

the extended cut

[minor coyote]

behind the scenes

[slim hamlet]

with minecraft easteregg

[minor coyote]

hopefully i watch this vid and im set for life with info

cya in 3hours

[slim hamlet]

yea until rework in 12.2

[minor coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-rage-angry-annoyed-whatever-gif-5126333390325209476

[marsh fjord]

I juset want them to do colours based on bleeds. if they do i dont need plater anymore. which is nice

[rancid bronze]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[slim hamlet]

I doubt since they directly said "we dont want addons to be able to change for example nameplate colours on conditions" or very similar to that quote

[marsh fjord]

Yeah but that sucks tho

[slim hamlet]

I mean it could just mean only addons and they have it in base game, but why tho

I guess if you are used to it

I never used it so idk

[wicked valve]

Damage feels great in M+ with sin, but bottom barrel discount in raid. Anyone else feeling this way?

[real pike]

No

[wicked valve]

Awesome, glad we're not all suffering. Maybe I'm just bad. Can I see your logs, maybe I'm missing something.

[midnight scroll]

Deathstalker feels very shit for me in raid, fatebound is a different story

[wicked valve]

With 4 set? I only have 3 so far, maybe the 4th peice makes it better.

[midnight scroll]

i only have 2 set right now

but even when i didn't have any tier bonuses, fb felt way better

maybe i'm just happy we're kinda freed from the shackles that is deathstalker's mark

[wicked valve]

Feels better, yea. But are we talking top 5 dps in your raid? Or middle of the pack

[midnight scroll]

oh well i'm falling behind pretty significantly compared to my guildies because all of them have their 4 set for their respective classes

so right now lower middle i'd say, for me at least

and we'll have to wait for monday to see how i'll do with 2-set

[wicked valve]

Well good luck!

[burnt star]

Ull be middle.of the pack in s.t

When everyone gets their weapon 4set

[real pike]

Well now I'm going to embarrass myself with my average logs

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/stormrage/fabbawabba

I'll do better now I've got 4 set 😭

[half dawn]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[slim hamlet]

+10% dps boost transmog

[slim hamlet]

distinguished gentleman

He reminds me of my old dog

[half dawn]

@balmy condor can you tell me how I can alter the pandemic thing in your plater profile?

I wanted to use it for other classes (moonkin)

[slim hamlet]

I can in 1 min

[real pike]

Honestly 90% of my damage comes from the transmog, it's certainly not ability

[slim hamlet]

Idk if he uses the same script as mine does, but I assume so since I only ever saw this one. Go in plater - Scripting - search pandemic or similar - copy and paste it for your new one - click on it - add new trigger for the debuff u wanna have pandemic for (here garrote) and delete old one

oh and save bottom right

[charred mango]

Anyone else swap to sub for the cleave/aoe fights? After being freed from deathstalkers mark I’m not too excited to get back into it lol

[half dawn]

you are a goat

the goat

[little magnet]

Guys, why is that neck /crit+haste/ from Streets recommended as BiS for us? Or how much haste %wise is recommended to run on Assa

[slim hamlet]

there are no breakpoints just whatever sims best

The BIS list besides cantrip effects, trinkets and such is just BIS when u have everything else, a different neck might be better for you now unless you had everything else on that list

BIS list is kinda meme material

[half dawn]

This is probably dumb AF min-maxing, but when playing ST build, is it better to press shiv slightly early or late around the 8s of KB left

[slim hamlet]

KB ticks every 2 seconds I believe it is, so as long as you get the same amount of ticks in it

[half dawn]

but this means you need shiv to cover last tick

which i assume is at 0

and last tick is the biggest no?

[slim hamlet]

yea

[half dawn]

so better to press at high 7s than low 9s

because at high 7 you lose some shiv value but you get the big hit

and the other way you dont cover the big hit

ok ty

[fresh kelp]

Last 8 seconds for solo kingsbane, before dm and last 8 seconds of dm for big cds

[half dawn]

yeah but nobody is pressing exactly on 8s

thats my whole q

xd

[uncut knot]

!cb

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[slim hamlet]

I am rusty on the exact tick timings but I believe it is just every 2 seconds so with 0 - 2 - 4 - 6 left. I haven't really played while we only did one shiv so I haven't thought about it enough to be 100 sure tho

[marsh fjord]

Why do you look like someone that directs a ball with dancers who are really fancy 😂

[slim hamlet]

would not be too difficult to test tho

[fresh kelp]

Slightly before

Kb should be full stacked long before then so covering more of dm is better

[slim hamlet]

also depends on which hero talent with tier set right?

[clever sparrow]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +20's or higher, you should play bleed
3. Even if you're doing higher, you should probably play bleed
4. No, Fatebound is not good, you play Deathstalker in every key.

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• 11.2/Season 3: Bleed has gotten stronger through some buffs and the single target damage you get from singular focus is ridiculously good with the tier set. During PTR testing many high end rogues were just playing bleed everywhere.
• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave build is mainly for boss damage (note: not prio, there is no significant difference in prio). Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and some bosses during season 2 were not possible on high keys otherwise. It remains to be seen what push keys in Season 3 will bring in that regard.
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal. Rookery is not in the rotation in Season 3, and there are a lot of AoE dungeons. Dawnbreaker might be a candidate, but unsure currently.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead outside of low target cleave and higher target AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage. At the end of the day, the builds are extremely similar, but Bleed is looking to simply be the best.

[clever sparrow]

when cleave

😄

[slim hamlet]

in dragonflight classic

[clever sparrow]

re applying bleeds suck tbh

[slim hamlet]

That's like THE flavour of assa

[royal lantern]

tf do you wanna do then??

mut mut envenom???

play fucking Classic for that

[slim hamlet]

probably cuz every other "dot" class can just click button to apply aoe without a big cd

so most people are just used to that

[bleak prairie]

Dumb question here, with bleed build do we press Crimson Tempest in pure st ?

[royal lantern]

yes you do

[burnt star]

Theres a w.a for kingbane with a clear indication on a bar of when to shiv. I use that. More visual to know when to press then to look for a number

https://wago.io/8WWlvpYa9

This

[iron carbon]

Kb ticks ever 2 sec, you can't boost the ticks at 8, 6, 4, 2, 0 sec left with 1 shiv, unless you press at exactly 8,000 sec left. So you, in fact, you need to press between 8 and 6 sec left.

[topaz spindle]

hi guys, for pvp (specially blitz), do you use crimson tempest?

[iron carbon]

If you speaking about double shiv, your first shiv end at 7 sec left on kb, so you need to press between 8 and 7 sec left to have whole kb boosted by shiv

And I'm speaking without 4p ofc

[slim hamlet]

We are all PVE andy's. There is a #pvp

[topaz spindle]

oh

sorry thanks

[slim hamlet]

[hollow whale]

how is this breakdown as a overall for m+ (14hoa 7m overall)

[iron carbon]

Didn't play assa in key for a while but it seems okay

[hollow whale]

key felt like low dps maybe i have bad spatter dmg

[iron carbon]

You had a lot of restealth?

For having garrote that high?

[hollow whale]

yeah i got good resets

[iron carbon]

Nha, it make sense I think

[hollow whale]

big issue was it was a pug group so had to play wire for kicks

[iron carbon]

Just the uptime of dots trigger me but I don't remeber how it used to be on my details

And?

What did you drop for it?

[hollow whale]

1 point in lethal dose

[royal lantern]

thats

not smart

lol

if you drop something for Iron wire, its Master Assassin

[hollow whale]

should i have dropped master?

[royal lantern]

or lightweight shiv

[hollow whale]

fk i was in between them

[royal lantern]

but master assassin is better

taking out 1 point out of lethal dose is like what? 5% less dmg on almost all your stuff?

[iron carbon]

I would drop shiv

[hollow whale]

i am playing full bleed with 4 set tho

11 sec shivs is cool

[iron carbon]

But as I say, didn't play sin with 4p this season

[royal lantern]

eh

the thing is that our current tierset interacts with shiv

[hollow whale]

i am dropping master assasin

[iron carbon]

Yes, it last 11 sec more, i got it

[hollow whale]

thanks

[iron carbon]

But would you prefer MA on boosted garrote + shiv

Or an additional shiv on no ma ?

[hollow whale]

i mean ofc ill lose dmg but i wonder whats the lowest dmg i lose for wire

[iron carbon]

Idk tbh, didn't test

[half dawn]

goat

[iron carbon]

Sim would say shiv, but it's cuz it proc 3 times MA cuz of double vanish

Best is testing

You do some keys with one talent set, others with another set and you compare overalls

[royal lantern]

a sample size of 1 is not a good comparison lol

[iron carbon]

Some keys =/= 1

[royal lantern]

and saying "it procs MA 3x cus of double vanish" shows a big lack of not understanding how sims work

[iron carbon]

Yes, I don't know the apl exactly, but last time I checked this, it was the case

But shoot, mister I'm so smart

[royal lantern]

dslice sims have restealths

and im just not making claims if im not 100% sure they are correct

[summer viper]

im curious - how do you prepare for bigpulls in m+? like lets say for example the first pull in flood - do you start dotting targets while the tank is gathering and then using a vanish to restealth to apply the death mark on the high prio mob and going on from there with your dm burst or do you wait till everything is gathered and starting spreading from there into your burst?

[crisp venture]

is there a meld stealth macro?

[oblique slate]

I wouldnt waste my vanish, just wait for tank to group em up and select a prio target

vanish if fight lasts long

[marsh fjord]

You do the same as every group. you can just decide to dot more then you usally do. but in pulls like that. dependant on key. i spend 1 vanish after my first IC window is over.

[vocal seal]

anyone got some numbers on how much those raid boots that increase dps weshi waps

[iron carbon]

DSlice got restealth, and? On 6 minutes, it will double vanish and proc MA once more in a 6 minutes fight that's a big benefit for this short time. But on a key, it's that that big

[summer viper]

do you use 1 vanish into your dm for the crit buff?

[marsh fjord]

Yes.

I dot what i can. and then when the first IC is over im in the middle of my IC. and then 6 seconds later i vanish again

but this is really depandant

on how the pack is living or not

[iron carbon]

So yes, sim will overpower MA and everything linked to the double stealth

[summer viper]

i kinda feel like slacking on decissionmaking at which point i just stop spreading garrots and ruptures and starting my dmg rotation

in those bigpulls

[marsh fjord]

I mean if you have dotted more then 5 targets. you are fine.

[warm flint]

try having 5 raptutes on imprtant mobs then you gucci. like remember ie. them little adds on hoa doesnt count where they get deleted instantly. so make sure you have 5 on important targets. garrot is wever, use it as much as you can during ic. its fine if everything has garrot but its fine also if they dont

[summer viper]

ty

[minor coyote]

Heya,

quick question, am i missing something, or having something i shouldnt

(new to wow, sorry if it's a stupid question)

im like 2 week's into the game, never played before so still learning all the in's and outs of the game

[buoyant mauve]

do you have potions and healthstones on the side bars?

[iron carbon]

You'll need a kb keybind if you do some raid

[buoyant mauve]

ooooh and cold blood

[minor coyote]

healthstone would stay next to my potion (where the cookie/pie is)

[iron carbon]

There's my bars if you want an exemple

[minor coyote]

and for potions/etc no i dont have those, never bought consumbales really, and i think i did those 1h cd ones, but i popped them from my inventory

[crisp venture]

what do people have prism macrod to?

[dense cedar]

shiv on 2 is psychotic

[dense cedar]

Vanish

for FB, DM for DS

[iron carbon]

Vanish for ST, DM for DS

[crisp venture]

ok nice, so as a m+ player, dm

[minor coyote]

I do spam it off cooldown tbf still unsure on when to use it, watching a 4hour guide now

to possibly prevent it if its an issue

[dense cedar]

spam what?

[minor coyote]

Shiv

[dense cedar]

u should not do that

[minor coyote]

I figured the way u said it at the start

[iron carbon]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[iron carbon]

You need to read one of these

[minor coyote]

i did read the wowhead one from whyspyr and im watching his guide rn

the 4h one

[iron carbon]

You sure you understood when to press buttons?

[dense cedar]

what do our other specs bars look like

[dense cedar]

if shiv in on 2

[minor coyote]

30mins in

[dense cedar]

im scared to see a kir on 2 or something

[minor coyote]

no, thats why im watching the guide 😄

[iron carbon]

ahahaha' enjoy then

But plan a keybind for kb

[minor coyote]

cause i've hit a wall tbf, i've been finishing my gear and i started to run higher keys, and im falling behind allot in dps

so i decided to check the class more in-depth

thus coming here

[dense cedar]

u could probably just unbind ur racial

for kb

just slap it inside dm

[minor coyote]

this is where im currently

[dense cedar]

put on a shirt smh

[minor coyote]

i think i have a log..

[dense cedar]

people dunno how to dress themselves

[minor coyote]

this is from the m10 run i did

[lofty inlet]

Question: what's our 2nd trinket after lily (assuming we aren't getting the raid ones) pacemaker ? Dawkbreaker or Ara Kara ?

[iron carbon]

One of 3

[dense cedar]

the 3 passive u listed are all possible

it will depend on your stats

[lofty inlet]

Ok I got the dawkbreaker one. So I can continue farming lily

[dense cedar]

like i got new ring and had to change

[minor coyote]

and this is the spread, possibly horrible.

[iron carbon]

Use trinket is one of the biggest upgrade

At least, for Prio

[lofty inlet]

Just finished my 9th eco dome run since yesterday 🥲

[vocal seal]

i had the same issue focus on only targetting your marked target ( the one you ambushed ) this will make splatter go higher and in turn dps

[royal lantern]

deathsalker DM

Fatebound vanish

[minor coyote]

so im possibly then doing everything the wrong way

but i am satisfied how far i've come considering i started 2 weeks ago for the first time ever this game

but yeah now we have to improve :x

[zenith prairie]

For fatebound is it Shiv->vanish->deathmark->cb/kb?

[dense cedar]

ye basically

[zenith prairie]

thanks

[acoustic roost]

the vanish can go wherever before the first envenom after kb, but ye

[iron carbon]

Losing MA is the biggest loss here, but as I said, DSlice oversim it I think

[crisp venture]

wait guys, whats the difference between pure energizing fiber and just energizing fiber in terms of stats

for cloak

idgi

[dense cedar]

MORE stats

so better

[iron carbon]

+/- 400 sec stats

[crisp venture]

how much more

[dense cedar]

its just a pure upgrade

[crisp venture]

wow, ive been running the lesser version

[dense cedar]

just get it

it costs nothing

and u can't break it

[crisp venture]

u gotta get it crafted

right?

[dense cedar]

ye

no quality tho

[royal lantern]

keybindings are overall preference based and will be mostly on your own muscle memory

BUT i can give some general tips tbh

like, do you really need cheapshot bound, when its a ability that gets used like once every 4 years and is stealth only

same with Sap on your basic bar, or shroud, those are abilitys you can put on a sidebar and click tbh

[dense cedar]

just a normal craft

so anyone with recipie can do it ezpz

[crisp venture]

are you able to sim the difference, its not letting me

select

for some reason

[dense cedar]

?

[crisp venture]

yea its not letting me, ive taken out the thing

[dense cedar]

@eth don't be stingy

just get the better one

[royal lantern]

@minor coyote #showtooltip Kidney Shot
/cast [mod:shift] kidney shot
/cast [stance:1/3/2] cheap shot
/cast [stance:0] kidney shot

can copypaste that macro, it basically uses cheapshot when you can use cheapshot, and otherwhise its kidney, so you only need 1 keybind for both abilitys

[crisp venture]

i just wanna sim whether crit is better

since my mastery is stupid high

[acoustic roost]

then sim it?

[crisp venture]

it wont let me select

[acoustic roost]

screenshot

[clever sparrow]

is it normal that eveyone in 2600 wants carry?

[dense cedar]

could just make both

on my server the materials costs like 900 gold in total from AH

[acoustic roost]

or link to your sim

[crisp venture]

just doesnt let me click any of them

[dense cedar]

unclick the other one

only have 1 reshii wrap

[crisp venture]

ok only selected one without fiber and still doesnt work

[acoustic roost]

then make sure this is checked

[vocal seal]

~murr~ WESHI WAPS !!! X3 X3

[dense cedar]

OH

I KNOW WHY

[crisp venture]

why tf

tell me now

[dense cedar]

Unselect gems

[crisp venture]

ah

[dense cedar]

it coutns as one of the 13 gems

[crisp venture]

the cap

ffs

[minor coyote]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1265313582422163528.webp?size=96&animated=true

[crisp venture]

ur a genius

ty

[dense cedar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1265313582422163528.webp?size=96&animated=true

[crisp venture]

i missed out on

free 21k+

lol

vers sims best for st

[dense cedar]

u probably have very little vers

@crisp venture when u place a new one in the wraps, it doesn't destroy the item so u can re-sim it whenever and replace what u need

like if you have all 4 you're set for the entire season

[crisp venture]

oh nice

[minor coyote]

@dense cedar better now 😄 ?

it's further down the line!

[dense cedar]

racial inside of deathmark too

[fathom lintel]

Hey anyone have wa that tracks how many ruptures you have out of all targets in a pull?

[dense cedar]

do u care about number of ruptures or just scent of blood?

[fathom lintel]

number something like 3/8 showing on the screen

[minor coyote]

can that be macroed?

so it uses automatically when i use deathmark

[dense cedar]

yes

[minor coyote]

how to macro i have one macro i saw randomly in a guide saying its a must have, but thats all

[rare jackal]

where is q and e

[minor coyote]

E is there, Q is going to be added

since im organizing my stuff atm while watching the guide

[dense cedar]

!cb

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[rotund oak]

yes u do,for ur ilvl u should be doing x2.5 times that dps at least

[dense cedar]

can grab that cold blood kb one too

[crisp venture]

since u seem to know alot... whats the macro for meld stealth, that does work right?

[dense cedar]

for whenever you get around to doing FB gameplay

[sand jewel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[minor coyote]

i figured, since i pretty much press stuff

[dense cedar]

that is so annoyingly finicky i never bother to do it

i'd rather dodge spells with meld

[severe jacinth]

do you only FOK on 2+ targets while maintaining caustic?

[minor coyote]

i dont play that build

i do the other one

[dense cedar]

if you ever do any raiding you will want to play the other one

[minor coyote]

oh i played this one in raiding

[dense cedar]

that is

unwise

for most of the fights

[minor coyote]

i did notice a very low dps, like 1.5-2mil

i assume thats why

🥲

and cuz i suck

[dense cedar]

like IC and Scent are doing basically nothing

[rotund oak]

dont u worry though,we all started from somewhere.Even experienced rogues do mistakes.If i were u ild take my take reading the wowhead guide.Its very good,written by our top nerd,which is raiding and playing and testing the game actively.Dont be afraid to ask rotational questions and stuff after u are done,we are here to help new rogues.Rogue is a considerably hard class to master

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[minor coyote]

already on it, watching the 4hour guide as we speak, and i have the wow head guide open

so it's just fine tuning now for the past 2 weeks of my playtime

to just know what does what and when to press and why to press it

[rotund oak]

yup dont rush it,take your time and ''study'' the class,especially how it behaves mechanically with skills

[dense cedar]

that whispyr guy jsut steals all his ideas from maxroll smh

[rotund oak]

its pivotal to understand how the class works

then u can push for more

forget about raider io

just focus on learning it

trust me on this

[quiet oriole]

Hold up archon showing sub as best throughput in raid? Ive been on vacation has something happened?

[main bridge]

there are a lot of damage amps in the raid so it's not surprising that sub is doing well

[rotund oak]

perfecto was destroying everyone on dimensius btw

just sayin

[main bridge]

plus there are some dumb interactions with Deathmark and disappearing

[earnest remnant]

its not really the amps

its more so all the add spawns

[rotund oak]

ye its never sub,its because the spawns xd

[minor coyote]

yeah, i've been really investing the time, in the 2 weeks of me playing, i have like 7-8 days playtime 💀 but i managed to get some accomplishments, cleared the manaforge raid on normal and 1st,2nd boss on hard, and my rating rn is 2.3k almost

but i've been hitting a wall

where im not enough the higher i go

[earnest remnant]

who couldve guessed that the 90sec burst spec does quite fcking well when you have a raid where a bunch of adds spawn at 90sec intervals

shit goes hard

[minor coyote]

so i decided to invest time into a proper guide now etc.

[rotund oak]

thats very nice to read,awesome stuff

[quiet oriole]

Makes sense. Been away so haven't been in the new raid

[rotund oak]

now get deep into that quality stuff and make that part of urself

the more better u become the higher content u do

[dense cedar]

my fav part of my sub rogue gameplay is not realising i've even made a mistake until like 30 seconds later

[earnest remnant]

pro tip

just dont make them

[dense cedar]

TRUE

[earnest remnant]

[dense cedar]

just fun hitting buttons in M+ and stuff exploding

[rotund oak]

yeah just win the rolls its 50-50,win or lose xd

[dense cedar]

good gmaeplay be damned

[rotund oak]

or idk loot the item

[timid bramble]

RIP in chat for my Rogue? - forgot to skip campaign so now im stuck in it 🙂

[dense cedar]

have fun in campaign

get to uh

walk around

and stuff

[rotund oak]

skipperino is active no?

[timid bramble]

yeah, i skipped on 2 toons already, just I think I accidently didnt on Rogue, once you accept it after going through the portal, theres no going back according to Blizzard

You can't "leave" pending campaign, so you cant ever get back to that NPC option, so just reminder to not rush ❤️

[crisp venture]

u can just go to the vendor for the cloak

and get it btw

if thats the only reason ur doing it

[rotund oak]

its basicly 1/4 of the total campaign u have to do

final step,u even skip cinematics

[timid bramble]

yes yes i did that 🙂

[rotund oak]

ive done it in two rogues 2 mages 1 druid and 1 paladin

[timid bramble]

I can do anything, but just dont have the Renown unlocked lol

ok thats what i figured, just unlock the renown - and ignore rest.

[dense cedar]

I can do anything

[timid bramble]

[dense cedar]

[sharp trellis]

what is the command for the loot picture ?

( the one with dungeon and raid tier list )

[spice surge]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[clever sparrow]

im sick of playing with pugs its like im never gonna reach 3k

im top dpsing every single dungeon

and im always in a party of 2 monkey

[main bridge]

yeah pugging sucks. making friends/playing with guild is a top priority

[clever sparrow]

flood 12 i got a feral druid (2859) over all 4 mil

WTF IS this dog sht

[rotund oak]

irrelevant but are u watching the RWF?

[earnest remnant]

somewhat

[rotund oak]

actually 4 horse race

pretty nice ngl

[unborn rain]

how do u do that

[rotund oak]

liquid and echo are like 0.5% away from each other

[sterile fractal]

any good advice for dps on myth with fate bound talent?

[ocean barn]

how much did that fix on Caustic Spatter nerf us?

[unreal tide]

Don't suck, do mechanics

[sterile fractal]

those are not the problem ::

[dense cedar]

as long as you do your opener properly you're just playing baseline assassination

upkeep dots and spam envenom

[unreal tide]

Then there should be no problem

Fate is the less involved talent, you do your opener, then just vibe

[sterile fractal]

hmmm

whats more proper to use in large pack multilate to get caustic spatter or fan of knives

:?

[dense cedar]

which fight are we talking about?

[dense cedar]

you only need to mut for caustic once for caustic until its about to run out, otherwise fok based on target count

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[prime hull]

when do you use shiv with kingsbane when playing fb

1 charge for last 8s?

or immediately for the cold blood envenoms

[rotund oak]

@severe jacinth

[summer viper]

do we stay in st with bleed build m+ above 150 energy?

[main bridge]

join a guild, stack charisma

[summer viper]

outside of cds

[unborn rain]

its over

[thick juniper]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[dense cedar]

!down

[proper seal]

What does a normal m+ dmg breakdown look like? I keep having CT as #1

[unborn rain]

my parses r god awful no way i can join a decent guildlol

but in m+ they crank

[pallid pecan]

hey ppl, got a question, I'm relatively new as rogue and I kinda run low on energy easily, is it bc I don't let my character do enough basic attacks or is it normal to run low on energy in general?

bc sometimes I can't even play, I mean I run so low on energy I can't even use skills

[clever sparrow]

outlaw vs assa whichone easier to play pug?

[dense cedar]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[jovial quiver]

Do i hold Shiv for the set bonus now this season? instead of using it with 7 seconds left on DM and KB? so hold for a extra 4 seconds?

[humble verge]

they bugged out undermine

watafak is this

floating

[pallid pecan]

okok ty, I was asking bc I'm 4pcs 704 ilvl and in M+ some ppl is sometimes over me in dps being 696 or smth like that

[split cipher]

In m+ the bleed build does not have good st

In aoe if you're running out of energy you need more bleeds out

[tranquil wing]

yeah, sometimes i'm dps-ing same as tanks. feelsbadman

[split cipher]

Not doing a key level high enough to get a dm in execute, i will be competing with prot warr dps

[celest mesa]

how many garrotes are we suppose to be spreading in the m+ bleed build mass AOE?

[dense cedar]

use it as your primary builder inside of IC

afterwards don't worry about it except on your mark target

[celest mesa]

but fok gives 5 insta

to slam envenoms into prio target

[dense cedar]

improved garrote is a lot of damage

[celest mesa]

and get more darkest knight procs so how is using garrot during IC better

but if its already on all targets your still using it over fok?

[dense cedar]

no but if ur in mass aoe ur likely taking a bit to get it on the like 12 or w/e targets

[supple frost]

How far behind is hybrid build compared to bleed

[dense cedar]

quite a bit and gets worse with 4p

[drifting cedar]

brothers how do u handle lomithar's adds ? just don't swap?

[pallid pecan]

wym more bleeds out?

sorry for my ignorance

xdd

[dense cedar]

just don't swap

[drifting cedar]

damn then I get benched :d

might have to go sub

[dense cedar]

can apply a rupture if u wanna

[solemn sun]

I think they mean you can apply rupture, enemies will die with rupture on them thus giving you energy back for each death

[frozen mountain]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[tranquil wing]

I'm seriously considering switching to sub

[dense cedar]

waht issue occuring

[tranquil wing]

Bosses last too long at 12/13s

I'm doing no damage

[dense cedar]

ur just gonna be trading the damage around by swapping

[pallid pecan]

hm ok I'll have a watch on it, bc it says that most of dps comes from having energy over 50%

blizzard fix the energy thingy

xDDD

[prime hull]

your tank needs to route around u and pull funnel on every boss

[dense cedar]

sub also suffers from bad pulling more than sin

[rigid fable]

i feel i must play sub instead of assasin in high keys... because of ST and a aoe explosion dmg

[celest mesa]

do you know how garrote prio works, for example after hitting garrotte on my main target x2 it will have spread to 5 enemies. I am correct in saying i have to switch targets for it to spread to more than 5?

[dense cedar]

yes

[spice surge]

Yesnt

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[dense cedar]

sub nice in keys but it is mostly just gonna be a damage profile trade

[frozen mountain]

do you guys use WA to track which ennemies of the pack have your dots? if so can you share them?

[knotty vapor]

is antenna uptime enough to make haste more valuable than crit for us?

[dense cedar]

you're wanting the addon Plater

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[dense cedar]

get that addon and try out Whispyr's