#assassination

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winged sun
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Dont think that boss is doable without sub from the looks of it

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He’s omega carrying on demand dmg

solar wyvern
golden loom
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like if the add was alone on the platform then fatebound would crank

winged sun
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Those adds have a ton of dmg requirement

golden loom
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but sadly it kinda nerfs itself garf

winged sun
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Legit impossible to kill without sub hes pumping them out the wazoo

winged sun
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Back to square one

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Sub looks rly powerful on prog this tier kinda cool

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Especially on forgeweaver pre nerf

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That shit was wild

golden loom
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ye

winged sun
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That boss was specifically designed for echo/liquid

golden loom
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im just happy that by the time I get there assa is completley fine garf

winged sun
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Till it got roasted

winged sun
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Looks like an omega hard fight

golden loom
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yeah and stacking raid buff and another turboboost

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like that add will be omega 1 shot

winged sun
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Like

arctic venture
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#macro

winged sun
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With all the timers and all

arctic venture
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!macro

prisma monolithBOT
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With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

winged sun
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Echo/liquid are omega struggling still

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On dimensius

golden loom
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like you know how the add is like 60/70% within like 5 seconds of them slamming down with stellar cores + big dps

wide berry
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Doable on sin heroic tho I assume?

golden loom
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imagine that in 1 or 2 months

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that add will legit die

humble verge
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i found a good gif @golden loom

sharp trellis
normal mist
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whatwhat

sharp trellis
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2 on use best sim in bleed build ?

normal mist
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i mean

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eh

golden loom
buoyant herald
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More to do with dslice than bleed id expect

ornate osprey
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hello, how do i use netherprism at raid fatebound

normal mist
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either macro to dm

humble verge
normal mist
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going from whispyr pins

humble verge
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instead of 1,5

hardy dawn
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guys do u think is always worth to play around Sudden demise?

buoyant herald
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It’s never worth to play around it

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Unless you just want to roll over low keys

hardy dawn
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ye but for example on 2nd boss of Dawnbreaker it looks super worth

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spreading rupture on adds

buoyant herald
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You’d want to do some of that anyway for scent of blood stacks and energy

ornate osprey
buoyant herald
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Not for demise value so much

fallow canopy
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And getting the 5t CT on the boss

ornate osprey
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but like, do i use at pull dm and 3rd dm or 2nd and 4th dm

buoyant herald
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I usually save my vanish charges for that boss since I’m a dirty padder

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Yeah that too boli

static glacier
brittle shuttle
static glacier
brittle shuttle
drowsy geyser
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Hey guys, what should i focus on the most? Rn im 2/4 set with posibble 4/4 set, but i also have a option to upgrade to a myth set and still be 2/4 (3/4 with catalyst.) is it better to go with myth item or just get 4p asap?

brittle shuttle
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u get catacharge next reset, id personally wait for that and vault before catalyzing anything

main bridge
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!tier

prisma monolithBOT
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Get your Season 2 Two Piece immediately, as it is a very powerful gain, stronger than both previous bonuses combined. This is true for both hero talents. The 4 piece is another big step up in dps for both hero talents on top of that.

drowsy geyser
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ok so get myth later, now just 4p

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ty for help!

static glacier
drowsy geyser
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it will help my raid i guess

static glacier
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will it really

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be honest

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you're 1/14 dps

drowsy geyser
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not that much fr

static glacier
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id hold if you get multiple myth catalysts off if you hold

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if you're progging and need dmg send

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otherwise consider holding

drowsy geyser
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i think im still doing better then most of the raid with 2/4

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so ye

west crown
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If you aren’t first in line for mythic raid loot. Send it

drowsy geyser
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ill go for myth upgrade rather then set

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long term is better i guess

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one less item i have to worry about

static glacier
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freest myth this tier is bracers

spiral lake
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!macro

prisma monolithBOT
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With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

glass ice
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I have huge problems with st energy, am i just spamming too much envenoms?

thorn thorn
humble verge
static glacier
prisma monolithBOT
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Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

thorn thorn
analog sedge
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
humble verge
somber sparrow
humble verge
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me when i know youre cheating to beat my logs, but i just cant prove it @golden loom

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somber sparrow
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im so glad they figured out that doakes is the bay harbor butcher

golden loom
humble verge
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hoow

golden loom
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if I am beating you then you are under the water

thorn thorn
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Look at this guy showing off his 1

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Not all of us can be fancy buddy

humble verge
golden loom
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I got trapped in jail and died at 6min when boss died at 9min..

thorn thorn
golden loom
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I just randomly did a key as sub

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spec kinda slaps

humble verge
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all specs slaps for us

half dawn
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I might need more mastery

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main bridge
exotic hearth
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If we do both M+ and raid, are we using 1 radiant power and 1 depths?

half dawn
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swap enchants before content swap or have 2 sets pepe_chad

buoyant herald
buoyant herald
humble verge
light nimbus
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Is it just me or is 4th raid boss shit for assa

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its so uncomfortable to play

midnight atlas
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araz?

light nimbus
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yeah

midnight atlas
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yeah i hate it i lose mark every time

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i swapped to sub

light nimbus
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yeah

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its cringe

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And to many adds to play fatebound

hasty aspen
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what is this ?

main bridge
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Bug fix

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What kind of answer are you looking for

hasty aspen
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how much damage we loses after this

midnight atlas
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whispyr said spatter was double dipping or so.

hasty aspen
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prev week i was doing lot more damage

midnight atlas
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it was doing 48% now 40%

hasty aspen
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this week my damage is going under way too much

balmy condor
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It’s 20% nerf to caustic

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Like weasel said

wide berry
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Details about to expose me tonight then

royal lantern
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week1 is always a meme

spice surge
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Roughly a 3-4% nerf to overall compared to before

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Depending on a bunch of stuff

midnight atlas
light nimbus
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Yeah

royal lantern
golden loom
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im gonna change that

light nimbus
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Im just gonna play fatebound

spice surge
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Its moreso sub being really good rather than assa being really bad

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But ye mark is cringe

light nimbus
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and be at least more comfortable

midnight atlas
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well you're gonna fight for rank 1 assa on araz mythic

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its gonna be 3 ppl

golden loom
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well if 1 guy is playing fatebound atleast I wont be last

balmy condor
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True

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Gives me hope

midnight atlas
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i wish fatebound had some sort of buffing caustic to compete in aoe.
have deathstalker be funnel and fatebound a bit more cleave

peak bobcat
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how bad can it be..

balmy condor
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Pretty bad

sudden brook
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And council

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And salamander

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And dimensius

dense rapids
balmy condor
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So without even looking at anything else

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Yeah.

main bridge
midnight atlas
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a lot of ppl on heroic araz play with the bleed m+ build

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so you got baited into doing that

balmy condor
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Yeah that’s schizo

fresh kelp
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IC in raid stemDespair

balmy condor
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Double vanish in raid

golden loom
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unless its soul hunters basegcat

light nimbus
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Deathmark in raid is overall so uncomfortable to play

fallow canopy
light nimbus
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not fun at all

safe path
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ANyone else missing their portal to Halls of Atonement?

balmy condor
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I still think bleed build on soul hunters is just entirely incorrect but it’s probably good enough and it’s not a dps check so whatever

grave trail
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Deathmark sucks on street as well

golden loom
dense rapids
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I also messed up my soul hunters damage, just no idea how to play aoe fights, but my M+ damage is fine

balmy condor
golden loom
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like this was my opener cause the fuckers wouldnt be close enough to garrote OMEGAKEKW

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cleave garrote to all of them*

balmy condor
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On soul hunters you cast 2 deathmarks in nearly 6 minutes

midnight atlas
balmy condor
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9 ruptures in 5:45 is for sure not enough

midnight atlas
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thats a boss so outlaw ppl can be happy

balmy condor
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Like you’re just not spreading ruptures and you’re not pressing your CDs idk

coral ibex
balmy condor
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6 casts of shiv in 5:45 is insane

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Your tier set is entirely based around shiv

safe path
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Ive done like 5 today alone

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Its not showing up

coral ibex
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hmm

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weird

dense rapids
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Okay more ruptures on everybody and more dry shivs

coral ibex
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it was bugged before

main bridge
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Should have just got the HoA portal in shadowlands

coral ibex
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but i got my portal yesterday

golden loom
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yeah I got my portal today

dense rapids
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Where should I be using vanish on Soul hunters?

midnight atlas
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if u drop mark in intermission i guess but i played only a bit of assa there

balmy condor
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After intermissions or when they’re stacked in execution

dense rapids
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Okay gotcha and just make sure mark is on the boss about to go into intermission beforehand?

midnight atlas
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yeah

twilit cargo
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what are the odds of not getting pacemaker

balmy condor
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Not that low

main bridge
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It’s not based on loot you already received

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That is impressive though

midnight atlas
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its 50% you either get it or not 🧌

twilit cargo
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im almost 40 runs

haughty flicker
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i never got it myself someone else traded it to me

twilit cargo
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of flood

haughty flicker
twilit cargo
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ive seen it drop 7+ times

austere basalt
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!gear

prisma monolithBOT
golden loom
royal lantern
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mfs are happy about getting a pacemaker

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worried about your health

twilit cargo
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there is like +4 more runs

twilit cargo
runic hinge
twilit cargo
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ye but i specced into outlaw

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after i got it

runic hinge
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I was gonna say

midnight atlas
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i haven't got the dawn of infinite daggers during all s3 dragonflight so its possible you NEVER get pacemaker

twilit cargo
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that was my highest count

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that dagger

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in s3

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until now

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flood beat it

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i had 30 dawn runs

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im genuinly curious

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of the %

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that im having rn

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40 runs 1/6 2/5 chance

midnight atlas
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wowhead says its 3-4% chance to drop so idk.

twilit cargo
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pacemaker?

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does it have diff drops

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than others

midnight atlas
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yeah but IDK how they calculate percentage drops on wowhead

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might be bait

main bridge
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I think you need to be running the wowhead client to contribute to that

midnight atlas
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ez, find a guy who got it first try and go there with him again

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twilit cargo
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xD

marsh fjord
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@balmy condor cook up some apex talents for us.

near flame
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Damage breakdown of a +9 Dawn:
Been following the guides on rotation but still learning as it's a lot to track with bleeds, but I guess I'm not rupturing enough - perhaps low on splatter as well, no?

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main bridge
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Post logs if you want to analyze performance

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Details not really useful

midnight atlas
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i think my char is cursed with loot. full LFR, 2xNormal runs and 1 hc run. no tier in vault, no tier won by rolls.

haughty flicker
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you only really send enough ruptures to get max scent stacks so you're probably rupturing enough

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hard not to

near flame
main bridge
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Where’s the deathmark?

fringe oxide
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!stealth

twilit cargo
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not enough

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maybe packs are not gathered

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or u dont keep it up

main bridge
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First DM 5m in wtf

twilit cargo
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but it should be almost double

raven trench
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@balmy condor for fatebound single target , When im at high coin streaks is it worth to send rupture at 4cp since envenom has more chance to match the same coin i have?
or holding spenders at high streaks when im near cd like 4-5sec is worth ?

near flame
twilit cargo
static glacier
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I normally stop at 7 or 9

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unless its a massive pull and tank takes forever to group, then I spread as many as i can while he groups

static glacier
twilit cargo
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do u guys really pay attention to coins

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i just send all

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withut looking at anything

near flame
static glacier
raven trench
static glacier
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the holding a streak is interesting

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but 4cp rupture aint it

spice surge
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Only reason to track coins is to feel good when you proc and feel bad when you lose the streak

golden loom
spice surge
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Theres no decision based on what stacks you have or anything

raven trench
spice surge
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What for

midnight atlas
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one little crit and there goes your 4cp plan

static glacier
raven trench
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like 5sec before cd so u can get 22 of one and go like 6-7 another

static glacier
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since we have infinite energy in dm, any energy you pool before it is wasted

raven trench
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not getting 5 6 of each

spice surge
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What

frozen glacier
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when you get 19 tails in a row but the 20th is heads

last zephyr
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what is the 2 tiersetbonus DPS diff for m+?

spice surge
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The coins only last 15s

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You cant hold for long

raven trench
# spice surge What

lets say i have 15 heads , if i send finisher i may get tails , i hold 5sec , send cd so i secure going on 20 or more

static glacier
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the question is maintaining the streak better than firing 2-3 finishers

main bridge
golden loom
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please do not invent the fatebound mutilate soup garf

spice lagoon
spice surge
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I mean sometmes if you dont proc you barley have time for 2 finishers in those 15 sec

static glacier
runic hinge
static glacier
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idk about it being big

spice surge
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Ig it could be worth but i think that situation is insanely rare

static glacier
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its a slightly bigger tails right?

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the lucky coin

spice surge
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2x

runic hinge
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Hugeeeee

static glacier
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hm

haughty flicker
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coin maxxing

runic hinge
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Yeah idk

static glacier
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does it benefit from tails streak

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or only heads

haughty flicker
runic hinge
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But I mean how often do you have a 15 stack right before cds

golden loom
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I mean I even had a 30 streak of tails in this log and the lucky coin still did 2%

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haughty flicker
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i dont even get 15 streaks period

static glacier
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no idea, i purposefully dont track coins for my mental health

haughty flicker
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my gamba luck is weak so far

runic hinge
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I did in m0 fatebound keys smiledoge

winged sun
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I just track lucky coin thats it

runic hinge
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You’re my lucky coin

static glacier
winged sun
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Fuck the coins

static glacier
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lucky coin is valid to track

spice surge
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What we tracking lucky coins for

winged sun
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U have other things to worry anout

static glacier
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xd

winged sun
golden loom
runic hinge
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Fatebound m+ dream is alive

static glacier
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m+ would be where it really matters

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but ross is heavy cooking

winged sun
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Im back home tmrw

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Watch out for some overcooked cooks

golden loom
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rested xp on the cooks

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oh dear god

zinc vale
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why we dont open with ambush in fatebound build for st in raid ? is there any good reason for that ?

golden loom
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well it doesnt proc a mark or anything so you might aswell get garrote up 1 global earlier

runic hinge
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Think of the imp ambush value tho

golden loom
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just crit ur mutilate buddy

runic hinge
thorn thorn
fallow canopy
midnight atlas
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blame those wa packs that track everything even alacrity

thorn thorn
midnight atlas
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ppl got used to tracking every lkittle crap

thorn thorn
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Yea idk

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I recognize I am probably part of the minority when I say this

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But I cannot stand when people wanna track stupid shit

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Stuff that is either insanely easy to do or just has no point in being tracked

frozen glacier
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@winged sun what happened to that guy that argued with you saying ass rogue doesnt lose single target to tanks OMEGAKEKW

thorn thorn
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And everytime I ask why the answer is almost always some "What if" scenario that should never happen

midnight atlas
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yeah what if i need to track recuperator to know if i need to pot here or i live

thorn thorn
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My favorite was from back when auto tea was added

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They wanted to track their energy so they could tea to have enough energy to feint

golden loom
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I do not care what other people track cause I am not playing with their UI

midnight atlas
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dont they have like a bar for energy?

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and feint is almost free

thorn thorn
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Idk

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I just hate that people just rely on external shit to play the game for them

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Always been a major issue I had with wow garf_sit

main bridge
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You’re that guy on the forums complaining about WAs playing the game for those cringe retail players

thorn thorn
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Im actually the guy in class discords doing it

normal mist
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based

thorn thorn
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I would never be caught on the forums

balmy condor
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I wanted to run his head through a cheese grater

humble verge
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so whisp, for value - would forge sitll win over prism on DS cleave and in m+?

thorn thorn
humble verge
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forge win over prism

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ffs

thorn thorn
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No lie thats actually funny as hell

midnight atlas
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bliz said they will add dps meter, boss timers and nameplate customization in midnight, along with personal resource display that takes out many addons

normal mist
thorn thorn
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Ye

balmy condor
thorn thorn
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Obviously i cant stop people from automating their gameplay

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I just think its cringe

humble verge
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i might just go do forgeweaver

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just for the trinket

thorn thorn
balmy condor
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no

thorn thorn
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Shit

balmy condor
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but they did end up being racist

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so

midnight atlas
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you guys saw that shooter guy that put electrodes in his arm and made like an IRL aimbot that shocks his arm and makes him shoot?

i think wow players would do that if weakauras allowed it

thorn thorn
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Another classic was right after tea was added and this guy was having a literal melt down over the change

midnight atlas
humble verge
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saw that guy

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lmao

thorn thorn
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And everytime whispyr or someone else would say it didnt matter and to just macro it to shiv

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His response was literally "but what if it did matter"

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2 seasons later

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Still doesnt matter

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Fancy that

midnight atlas
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assa feels nice with the button bloat removal lately

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deathstalker doesnt play kb, macro shiv to envenom, macro cb to kb when fatebound. ez life

thorn thorn
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I despise this KB-less era of sin

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In M+

vocal seal
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yoo gamers !

can someone look at my log and tell me what i might be doing wrong ? i feel like splatter should be higher ?

midnight atlas
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its an ez life, i dont get mad when pugs focus my kb target and it dies before i can even do 2nd shiv

manic haven
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At the risk of sounding like an idiot, and i know the answer is to sim yourself but just as a general query, why do all guides have mastery as our best stat but then reccomend crit enchants and crit heavier gems?

main bridge
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A lot of people don’t want to sim or don’t know how so they put that stuff there. The best answer is generally to sim because everyone has different gear

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All stats exist in a balance so there is never one stat you stack forever

dapper halo
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i got 4set, as a murderhobo, what do i change in my rotation (bleed buildfor m+)

thorn thorn
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The mage discord has a guide on how to sim

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But then you have to be in the mage discord

main bridge
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Lots of resources on how to sim available

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I think wowhead has a guide too

haughty flicker
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lmao thanks for the pin about jastors

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went back and looked and it didnt proc a single time on forgeweaver for me

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0 uptime

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very nice

marble tusk
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does it make sense to take Sudden Demise in 10+ keys when trash lives too long? it deals only about 4% damage overall

spice surge
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Yes

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The strongest part of sudden demise is the passive bleed damage

balmy condor
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it's also 15% bleed damage passively yeah

haughty flicker
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sudden demise is passive bleed damage

spice surge
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The execute that shows up on details is just a bonus

haughty flicker
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it stronk

marble tusk
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I'm just lacking KB in the keys

marsh fjord
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you dont need kb in keys

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kb is trash

main bridge
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I love it in raid but we are totally fine in keys without it

rustic thunder
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!loot

prisma monolithBOT
vocal seal
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Toughts on Internal bleeding in some keys ?

midnight atlas
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lol

dapper halo
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m+ build is so good in the demon hunter boss

midnight atlas
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u troll if u take internal bleeding in keys

dapper halo
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did some mad damage with it

main bridge
thorn thorn
safe path
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Im convinced the chest in halls doesnt exist atp🗿

thorn thorn
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In any of keys you list as "some" are you ever fighting more than 1 target at a time

vocal seal
thorn thorn
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Internal is useless

safe path
main bridge
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It’s always on top 3 for me

vocal seal
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splatter applies when rupture is on target and you mutilate it right ?

main bridge
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It’s almost passive if you’re doing your rotation correctly

thorn thorn
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Yes

vocal seal
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why no high dmg

safe path
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Are you actively tracking it?

vocal seal
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i have it in my WA

fresh kelp
midnight atlas
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tracking and executing are 2 different things.

thorn thorn
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Also like

midnight atlas
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also, the dmg from it is spread from target and from you, whispyr has a video on it. so stay in mobs

thorn thorn
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Why would you want to trade it for a talent that will do less than shiv

fresh kelp
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in fact, the first time you applied your mark was over 5 minutes into the key

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so you just didn't have a hero tree until then

thorn thorn
dapper halo
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stupid question, should you put deathmark on something even if the mob is just about to do, just so you have done it

midnight atlas
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no

dapper halo
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thought so

midnight atlas
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you put it on prio target not just randomly its a dot that doubles your existing dots

dapper halo
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yea

midnight atlas
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so you want full value from it

vocal seal
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but i'll try to focus on using ambush more

fresh kelp
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Your caustic is low because you’re not using your hero tree

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Your caustic uptime is fine

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Mostly fine

analog field
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caustic spatter is irrelevant to hero tree

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so not having mark is a dps loss but not connected to spatter

marble tusk
#

how does the heroic tree affect caustic spatter?

vocal seal
#

hunt them down does plague dmg and thats poisson ?

fresh kelp
#

It’s a huge source of nature damage?

#

What

thorn thorn
#

It has a lot of nature damage dotted across it

#

The lions share will be envenom

fresh kelp
#

It is most definitely connected to spatter

thorn thorn
#

But the amount from the mark and its effect isnt nonexistent

analog field
#

you said he didnt apply spatter

#

so hero tree doesn't matter that he didn't press mutilate

vocal seal
fresh kelp
#

He did for most of the key just not that pull

midnight atlas
#

plague damage = nature + shadow

analog field
#

but going 5 minutes without mutilate/ambush is crazy no ?

dapper halo
#

also with the four set, should i use shiv without much thought, or is there some meta thing to do

thorn thorn
#

Not using spatter and not having the hero bonus are equally terrible

#

And you should not ever have neither

fresh kelp
midnight atlas
#

minmax sweaty strat is to use shiv during darkest night so you don't burn dm stack

dapper halo
#

hm okai

analog field
#

we are talking about caustic spatter why are you keep bringing dsm up

vocal seal
#

i'm gonna go back to playing paladin and complaining my spec ist rank 1 in everything

thorn thorn
#

💀

midnight atlas
#

did they unlock their disc?

vocal seal
#

yup

thorn thorn
vocal seal
#

5% buff baby

#

were so back

thorn thorn
#

They also made this massive nonsense post about it not being a tantrum and what not

#

The ret "experts" got the worst case of main character syndrome I have ever seen

midnight atlas
#

DH was so dead at one point they still had the christmas icon in april and they never complained

vocal seal
#

i mained AUG and look where we are

#

above ret baby lesgoooooooooo

midnight atlas
thorn thorn
#

True

#

Aug didnt shut down discord when it was unplayable at the start of S2

#

The great tantrum of the rets will be great lore for the game in the future

vocal seal
#

i wonder if they are gonna simply

#

remove aug

#

and do something else

main bridge
#

Doubtful

midnight atlas
#

evoker players in general are new, and have other alts and stuff.
there are people who played paladin since 2004

thorn thorn
#

Probably not

#

They openly said they had no plans on deleting specs or completely reworking their identity some time back in wod or legion

#

Was when Survival got turned into full melee

#

If anything they will just "rework" it into something easier to tune or manage

vocal seal
#

new rework be like

  • 5% buff on everything
midnight atlas
#

yeah, keep them mid, give them a good tier set bonus once every 5 years and call it a day

thorn thorn
#

Real

midnight atlas
#

year of the spear, and year of the aug

dawn seal
#

is bleed build still best for m+

vocal seal
dapper halo
#

gieb 5% buff to assa

dawn seal
#

:(

#

the speci s so fun but I dont like it when I am on a dungeon boss

thorn thorn
#

If they wanted a tank evoker spec they would have made a 4th spec by now

midnight atlas
#

they gave DH a new spec after 10 years or so kekdog evoker can wait

thorn thorn
#

But alas we did not get that timeline

vocal seal
#

i has question

in the "normal" pug route in Flood where u pull the small guys and the shredders together, should i

  • spread garrotte and rupture as fast as possible or
    or
  • wait for ambussy and then spread garrote and rup ?
thorn thorn
#

Ambussy corncerned

main bridge
#

Well you start in stealth so you already have ambussy

obtuse prism
#

does spamming crimson knife in bigg big aoe do more dmg than envenom spatter? like 10+ targets or is envenom spatter better for spammin

main bridge
sonic zinc
#

just to clarify, we still fit a solo kb between dms still right as fatebound?

vocal seal
safe path
vocal seal
#

maybe thats a mistake

main bridge
#

Do you mean shiv or something

main bridge
safe path
#

I guess he means crimson tempest spam?

main bridge
#

Oh yeah maybe

obtuse prism
last skiff
#

Decent week

image.png
vocal seal
clever heron
#

gimme

vocal seal
#

need ??

dense talon
#

There was some wa code that put a line on the energy bar where TT auto pops. Can someone share that?

pliant remnant
#

You maintain it

dense talon
#

Is it normal for sin rogue to be just above tank damage on pure st fights? 😆

vocal seal
#

passive income baby

#

passive income spec

quaint dragon
midnight atlas
#

if you tank pulls mobs into boss thats where assa shines. pure st is shit

dense talon
#

I was just above tank damage on rashanan on +12. Was depressed

safe path
#

Just chuck your throw into a pack nearby and skyrocket

#

Results may vary depending on key level

midnight atlas
#

and depending on your group doing kicks

#

i saw so many pugs pulling big and nobody kicked then flaming eachother

obtuse prism
safe path
#

Bolts overalapping thrash in halls is my personal favourite

#

overalpping*

#

Im going to bed.

midnight atlas
#

good thing we got 2x shiv for nobody kicking the enrage on the dogs

#

and aoe shiv

safe path
#

Yeah its giga

pliant remnant
prime kindle
#

What proc do we use on the belt? I have it set to proc crit

pliant remnant
obtuse prism
hidden beacon
#

Hi, noob question probably, can anyone tell me what the 20 represents here on Whispyrs Rogue WAs?

image.png
midnight atlas
#

crimson tempest is a dot

#

its not black powder

#

probably dollars you owe whispyr for using his wa

#

idk i dont use it

safe path
floral slate
#

Probably % agi from scent of blood

errant jacinth
pliant remnant
burnt star
#

Some w.a only track # of rupture out. Up to 5

#

His is the same. But u see % gain

#

Up to 20

prime kindle
#

Do you always vanish after kingsbane with fatebound to force double big coin?

hidden beacon
#

Ok thanks all you sexy sluts

analog field
#

macro together and never press CB

prime kindle
#

On the single target build with new 4piece

clever sparrow
#

okay hi
HOW TO GET GOOD ACTUALY
like im always the highest dps in my own keys but still cant push

lucid silo
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
midnight atlas
main bridge
clever sparrow
main bridge
#

Yeah if that’s what your focus is

brave comet
#

the fact that mutilate will hit instead of ambush from stealth sometimes is frustrating

clever sparrow
brave comet
#

just happened to me on araz and had to play without hte mark for 2 mins

midnight atlas
#

and always push even if u fail key, find new ppl, maybe get a premade at some point

#

try not to make mistakes, its a multiplayer game u can be the best and still deplete because of mistakes others make so minimize yours

clever sparrow
hexed aspen
#

!gear

prisma monolithBOT
clever sparrow
#

and idk why

#

even tho im not dying (alot) i cant deal dmg

tawny yoke
#

Is assa still good?

clever sparrow
vocal seal
#

BiS mount for assa ?

main bridge
#

Raven

strange python
#

deathmark is 2min CD, lilly is 1:30min - am i holding lilly until DM back up?

idle flint
#

Hey folks, anyone know what this lightening strike is?

midnight atlas
#

belt from delve?

idle flint
#

It's constantly breaking stealth iwhen in group

midnight atlas
#

set it to crit proc

main bridge
#

Don’t use charged bolts

idle flint
#

sweet, thank you

#

It's been doing my ehad in that, such a simple fix haha

#

head*

#

thank you

twilit cargo
#

it was the 40th run

#

for pacemaker

floral slate
#

Cripes, I'm ~20 runs in and I'm losing hope

hidden beacon
#

What trinkets do we use for m+?

manic prism
#

hey guys what node do we drop for ironwire IF we ABSOLUTELY have too

floral slate
#

If I had to guess maybe doomblade?

#

No that links into sbs

#

Maybe MA

idle flint
#

Is there a polite way to tell Tanks to let us get out of combat before the next pull? Like why do they keep chaing a sinlge mob along always? lol

vocal seal
main bridge
vocal seal
main bridge
#

!chainpull

prisma monolithBOT
#

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

  • For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
  • Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
  • Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
  • Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
  • Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
  • You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.
main bridge
#

there we go

twilit cargo
scarlet orbit
twilit cargo
#

on opener do we use darkest night before going into cd?

#

or just use dm and shiv

#

and waste 1 dm stack with shiv

idle flint
#

Spreading DoTs through stealth is has zero damage bonus?..

obsidian shuttle
#

How many bleeds am I supposed to keep up, in like a massive pull like gambit?

visual crypt
#

Is there any way with the meta m+ bleed spec to take iron wire without loosing too much damage?

violet tiger
#

Hello, what embellishment should I put on my bracers if I have ascendent on my weapon?

deep sparrow
#

Can anyone tell me what benefit casting vanish will give me on a single target fight like heroic plexus? Im not seeing anything on the tooltip or my talents to suggest it is a dps gain?

main bridge
main bridge
twilit cargo
royal lantern
twilit cargo
#

gureanteed lucky coin

deep sparrow
#

Playing Deathstalker

#

I get in AoE vanishing to be able to cleave bleeds, but single target as deathstalker im not seeing anything unless I'm overlooking it

runic hinge
tawdry halo
#

If you need extra ST damage

#

In keys

deep sparrow
#

Okay that seems to be what I've overlooked, gotta bind vanish now as a offensive CD

frozen glacier
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
somber sparrow
obtuse prism
#

do you guys put crimson tempest dot on in ST boss fights?

#

i press it i do no dmg, i dont press it i do no dmg D:D:

#

how much dmg u guys do on bosses in dungs ?

#

roughly

humble verge
#

we are so goated

image.png
#

finally a 9m

craggy wraith
#

how do i not lose stalker's mark on araz

#

im trolling so bad in intermission

main bridge
#

There’s something about it in the pins

humble verge
main bridge
#

Can also play sub if you’re a gigachad

craggy wraith
craggy wraith
#

at sub

#

i could outlaw but no weap decided to go assa

obtuse prism
craggy wraith
humble verge
#

and does giga pulls

#

ok but like this pack i slacked

image.png
#

this was before 2nd boss

#

we pulled full room

obtuse prism
somber sparrow
obtuse prism
#

i meant whats most dmg he did on a pack in that run

#

but true

humble verge
#

details just bunches them up

#

cant check specific

#

idk if i can actually change that or not

royal lantern
obtuse prism
humble verge
#

imma check details discord or somethign to see if you can change it

humble verge
obtuse prism
dawn seal
#

D: I dont know what I am doing wrong I do sh it damage on dungeon

obtuse prism
#

</33

#

we need scot to teach us

humble verge
thorn thorn
#

wcyd

spice lagoon
#

question once lingering darkness comes up do i shiv to get that extra 30% nature buff and then spam enevenom

static glacier
#

seems key levels got high enough for dks to start winning

image.png
#

not lost to one yet but it's only a matter of time

frozen bay
#

i need a trick macro that actually works

spice surge
#

!tricks

prisma monolithBOT
#

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
humble verge
#

i actually think i did a key with an unholy

#

or maybe im wrong

#

wait

#

it was maybe that i THOUGHT he was unholy lol

spice lagoon
#

on my fdk db i can literally pull 4 billion damage on a large pack .

thorn thorn
#

Fair and balanced spec

haughty flicker
#

4 bajillion damage per pack

half dawn
#

!plater

prisma monolithBOT
midnight scroll
real pike
humble verge
#

may god help me in this 14 eco

image.png
#

pal is 696

real pike
#

Also portals reset it I think, the DF megadungeon was a nightmare for it

magic fossil
runic hinge
midnight scroll
static glacier
idle iris
#

just looking for advice, should i be okay just macroing lily to deathmark?

static glacier
#

yes

thorn thorn
#

Surely 696 is plenty for a 14

buoyant herald
#

absolutely it is

#

unless dps bad 🤔

halcyon umbra
#

has anyone else noticed kingsbane 4 set bugging and sometimes not having reduced cd when lucky coin is up?

spice surge
#

Its usually giving more cdr

#

Not less

buoyant herald
#

you can scuff opener and not get coin

spice surge
#

You sure its not that?

halcyon umbra
#

i unfortunately didnt have clipping software running but i was just practicing rotation on dummy for like 10 mins and noticed cooldowns not lining up and i swear ive seen it happen multiple times now but maybe im coping

spice surge
#

It still missaligns the cds ofc

halcyon umbra
spice surge
#

It reduces deathmark down to 1 minute sometimes

#

Instead of 90s

halcyon umbra
#

is that intentional or is it a bug?

spice surge
#

Bug

#

They posted that they fixed it, but they didnt shrugeg

halcyon umbra
#

yeah that explains alot

#

i thought i was going insane

#

cuz ive had it happen 5 times now but i unfortunately didnt have clipping software running any of the times it happened

spice surge
#

It happens a lot ye

#

Sucks

#

But it is what it is

halcyon umbra
#

anyone know whats optimal for rotation

#

in the case of that happening?

scenic nacelle
#

delay your kingsbane for Deathmark

halcyon umbra
spice surge
#

Yes

grave trail
#

to dk that is

halcyon umbra
#

so in the case of it bugging out it should be a dps increase overall right?

cedar hatch
#

How should i use netherprism in m+? every second dm?

half dawn
grave trail
#

does sub do more aoe than DK?

winged sun
half dawn
quartz echo
#

!trinket

winged sun
hollow fulcrum
#

are servers down

winged sun
#

Good thing almost no one plays it well enough to be noticed so far

halcyon umbra
#

does this discord have a comprehensive bug list anywhere?

weary spear
#

Most tanks don’t play around it in a pug so easy to stay under the radar

strange moss
#

whats th best way to learn rotation? i'm having trouble maintaing dots after opener

winged sun
#

Not just that

weary spear
#

Wtf is microwaved gameplay lol

dawn seal
#

does nether prism reset on boss pull

halcyon umbra
winged sun
#

Overcooked rotation

dawn seal
#

like spymaster

halcyon umbra
winged sun
#

Pressing random shit 24/7 and doing good dmg thinking its enough

#

When u can press perfect buttons and do absurd dps

#

Im fine with that tho

#

“Bleed build easy to play”

weary spear
#

Did u try no garrote build yet

#

I liked it in DB

winged sun
#

I play it there yes

weary spear
#

But streets still feels ass

winged sun
#

I wont play it anymore

#

I have sub trinkets

#

So i can do good sub dps now

weary spear
#

U like sub for gambit

winged sun
#

No sub gear yet

#

Tho

weary spear
#

Applying bleeds to smallies feels bad

winged sun
#

So

#

Sub is better there automatically

#

But

strange moss
#

when do you know to use envenom over putting more bleeds up?

winged sun
#

Im gonna play with my older tank when i come bacj

#

So sin definitely way ahead

#

I’ll pull packs on all bosses

weary spear
#

Bleed feels so good with funnel rn

winged sun
#

Eventually people will copy us as usual

#

With the funnel routes

#

Idk why people are always afraid of certain free pulls

#

Literally nothing going on in them

#

Its not really a new invention or anything most of the pulls were made in ptr anyways

#

So everyone kinda tried most things already

#

Definitely big pulls on every boss that u can pull things on in every key

#

Semi mandatory

normal mist
#

5 ruptures up, bunch of garrotes (thanks to IC, if not in an IC window, garrote main target only) and CT. After all this is done, you start sending envenoms

round vapor
#

Am I getting this right? The M+ build on WoWhead doesn’t take Kingsbane?

normal mist
#

yes

hollow fulcrum
#

do we use councils guile on both weapons

normal mist
#

yes for ST raid

hollow fulcrum
#

what about m+

#

or raid cleave

unreal tide
#

pop it into a sim and see what it says

normal mist
#

for my character, versa was simming better on the weapons

#

for m+

winter crystal
#

!plater

prisma monolithBOT
normal mist
#

but i aint swapping

loud light
#

just sim the options, all the stat buff enchants are pretty close but I found vers was 0.2% higher or something for me in aoe

#

but crit better on ST as mentioned

hollow fulcrum
#

do we use dungeon slice for m+ or patchwork

winged sun
#

Every top rogue does patchwerk

#

1,3,5,10 target sims

#

But u can just run dslice if ur lazy

#

Thats what the discord says so

#

Dslice

#

Me, casual and the others don’t really like dslice much maybe if u run no weekly runs idk what ur tanks do

rich sentinel
#

It's just me or bleed build on single target boss on m+ is just a shiet

normal mist
#

it is

hollow fulcrum
#

nah i do trash damage in st

#

in keys

winged sun
#

Usually in the very top end of m+ dslice is avoided

normal mist
winged sun
#

By many classes

normal mist
#

cmon

#

:C

winged sun
#

Not just rogue

hollow fulcrum
#

cuz for boomy it was always patchwerk no matter what but some people would use dungeon slice for other specs

winged sun
#

If u ask me

#

My personal opinion would be dslice is cooked

#

Its not an assa thing

#

Just a general class sim kind of cooked

hollow fulcrum
#

is the coding just ass

#

ah

normal mist
#

I mean its just a guideline

winged sun
#

I never had a single m+ run that does dslice pulls

spice surge
#

All attempts at getting an accurate m+ sim are cooked

winged sun
#

The way u do high keys is u see where u need dmg

#

At big packs (10 patchwerk)

#

St

#

3 targets etc

winged sun
split veldt
#

can we cross faction mythic raid, or is that not until the hall of fame closes or something

normal mist
#

you can

winged sun
#

Thats where patchwerk sims come in handy

#

They are good

#

Some specs have very accurate sims like outlaw

#

Almost everything u sim on outlaw is accurate

warped osprey
#

is it normal to do way less dps than sims?

winged sun
#

And for sin, anything i simmed on patchwerk was fine

warped osprey
#

like I sim for 4.6m and i do at best 4m

winged sun
#

Never was

hollow fulcrum
#

i need to figure out assa aoe cuz the most i ever hit is 12-15k

winged sun
#

12-15m?

#

U mean

#

Or

hollow fulcrum
#

yes

#

smooth brain moment

winged sun
#

I hit 45m week 1

hollow fulcrum
#

alr bro

winged sun
#

You’ll get there

hollow fulcrum
#

my tanks also dont pull a lot

#

cuz its just pugs

weary sky
#

Or is that still a thing where we can run a hybrid deathstalker build

winged sun
#

Hybrid build was dogshit last season

#

No one should’ve played it

#

It was just cleave/bleed build

strange surge
#

has this changed?

has resets gotten better for assassins in the last 6 months?

warped osprey
winged sun
#

No idea just play and see

lunar solstice
#

hey guys im new to the game and the discord where would i post a parse for my heroic raid for you guys to tell me how bad i am and what im doing wrong

spring token
#

you guys using radiant power enchant or councils glace

strange surge
subtle crown
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
lunar solstice
#

i need it bro

strange surge
#

;D

#

im having this argument with another assassin rogue now. Has things changed?

is it important to reset between pulls and not chain?

winged sun
weary sky
#

Is the Fate bound hybrid build on method.ggfang or should I act like it doesn't exist

lunar solstice
#

im disappointed with my parse and i feel like i played the bosses well and did my rotation properly so my friends told me to just post my parse in the discord and plenty of people would be happy to tell me what im doing wrong

winged sun
#

But

#

If u had lets say

#

Me or a very good assa rogue

strange surge
winged sun
#

I’d restealth every pull

#

Im sure it doesnt mean shit if ur bad no offense

#

But

strange surge
#

so its changed since 6 months ago

winged sun
#

Especially if its 3 assa rogues

strange surge
#

im not even a rogue lol

#

but i got flamed for chaining

winged sun
#

Ur asking for some really big fireworks of dps

#

From just 1 restealth

winged sun
normal mist
prisma monolithBOT
#

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

  • For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
  • Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
  • Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
  • Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
  • Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
  • You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.
winged sun
#

Assa is way too powerful atm to chain

#

Im 100% sure that command is old btw

#

But again

#

Restealth doesnt matter for the average sin rogue

tacit nest
#

Is prism used on every KB or DM

normal mist
winged sun
#

Because they wont do enough dmg anyway

normal mist
#

you're literally the 1%

winged sun
#

Like any pull where i get restealth + 1 vanish rdy

shadow shuttle
#

Hey guys! Haven't played since WW S1 when we used kingsbane. Can someone explain how our new M+/bossing rotation works?

winged sun
#

U can easily double dps any spec in the game

shadow shuttle
#

My single target is awful

winged sun
#

With 1 restealth

normal mist
#

and it will continue to be @shadow shuttle

#

only way is for your tank to grab adds onto the boss

shadow shuttle
#

NOOO dont tell me that

#

fuck haha

lunar solstice
#

anyone else willing to help me with my parse instead of telling me that i dont wanna to it before bedtime on a friday night lmao

shadow shuttle
#

is going back to kingsbane troll?

#

i miss it

normal mist
#

kingsbane builds are not good atm

#

you might MAYBE get some ST dps

#

but lose a lot of AoE in the process

#

all maths done, your overalls will be a lot lower

strange surge
normal mist
# strange surge ohh lovely

"You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there."

#

it does feel bad

winged sun
#

Dps is omega there omegalul

shadow shuttle
#

Do you use shiv befoer or after deathmark?

winged sun
#

Wdym

#

Just play correctly

haughty flicker
#

i try to avoid playing correctly

#

then people start expecting me to do good damage and stuff

strange surge
winged sun
#

Ive never seen restealth actually crank this many numbers in my life ngl

strange surge
#

and its 0dps for everyone, so multiply it by 3.5

normal mist
#

not doing dps is 0 dps

strange surge
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so you're effectively just "consentrating" your damage, by resetting between pulls. which makes details go Stonks

normal mist
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Again, it does feel like shit when chaining isnt done properly

strange surge
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but key timer go not_stonks

winged sun
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If ur assa is gonna solo the entire pack

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Which is what it does rn on live

normal mist
shadow shuttle
winged sun
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U literally cannot do the highest keys without an assa rogue destroying packs so hard

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Maybe u haven’t seen the numbers of assa yet

normal mist
normal mist
shadow shuttle
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ohh i thought before no? because shiv amplifies bleed damage?

strange surge
shadow shuttle
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and deathmark does a bleed

haughty flicker
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sit down zeross