#assassination

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fresh kelp
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5.15

normal mist
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you honestly know a lot

onyx pond
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
marsh fjord
fresh kelp
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had whetstone on by accident too

grim jay
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That explains some differences I experienced while fiddling aroundPogO

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(no, I didnt read the pin accurately enough)

wise pilot
orchid pewter
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hate it

balmy condor
orchid pewter
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whats the bug?

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just doesnt work or?

balmy condor
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read the pin

orchid pewter
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huh i see

vale fox
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do we usually use shiv at the last 7 seconds of Kingsbane?

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when we dont have Deathmark

obtuse ruin
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whats your usual damage breakdown look like after dungeons

vale fox
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a ton of Crimson Tempest dmg

clever sparrow
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How to tazavesh street?

vale fox
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!shiv

prisma monolithBOT
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With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

dusty phoenix
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is hectic add cleave okay to sim for fights like soulbinder or forgeweaver? or what would be the best setting

golden loom
clever sparrow
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is Follow the blood still counts as a troll?

lone dome
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Why use arterial precision for ST in raid built? Why not use tiny toxic blade instead?

ripe canyon
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Do we Press CT in single Target Bossfights - M+?

clever sparrow
clever sparrow
compact void
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Hi, someone knows a command to change jastor uptime in sims ?

balmy condor
golden loom
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Aight 👍

clever sparrow
marsh ferry
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-0.1% was the best I could get out of the sim. It refreshed early for about half of the Kingsbanes

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clever sparrow
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should i go back bleed? (icant deal damage there even in low keys)

grim jay
hard river
clever sparrow
balmy condor
compact void
hard river
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i'm not sure off hand

balmy condor
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I don't think there's an override for that

royal hazel
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so is Unyielding Netherprism our on use trinket now or would we run this + lily

grim jay
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No reason to use 2 on use on sin

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You can as fb, but it feels weird

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Lily wouldnt be the pick tho

royal hazel
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well for FB its lilys

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but looks like we need the atenna

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  • unyeilding
balmy condor
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you want 1 on use and 1 passive

spice surge
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Antenna really strong

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Amplifies your connection by quite a bit

royal hazel
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love a good connection

grim jay
grim jay
swift escarp
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what is better, antenna/lily or antenna/prism?

grim jay
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Cant go wrong

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Prism sims higher on the "top profile"

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And is more flexible

sterile jackal
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what about stone idol? i have this trinket but it feels bad to use it, due to its cast time. Also i cant find a good moment to cast it

swift escarp
grim jay
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For fb raiding

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DM for deathstalker

grim jay
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On FB

swift escarp
grim jay
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So it buffs your biggest CD window

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Gotta use it manually for the odd number burst without vanish if that is the last one you can fit into the fight tho

swift escarp
grim jay
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Ye unless the burst without vanish is the last one of the fight

swift escarp
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or immediately if the fight is to end

golden loom
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so you send it on pull and then on 3 min timer with vanish yeah, but lets say you need it on ur 2nd set of cds, then u can also just press ur vanish bind (since u have trinket macrod there)

swift escarp
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nice

grim jay
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Oh yeah thats also a thing. If for whatever reason you need the damage, like on an amp, you just do what uwu said

marsh fjord
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I can't seem to log good on demon hunters fight for some reason

winter prairie
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Hi fellow rogues, I got a question- there are like 9000 dots and u need to spread and refresh them across 30 enemies, how do u track this mess?

pliant remnant
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Nameplate healthbar and/or border colouring

main bridge
swift escarp
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If I don't need to use it until my second vanish comes back, is there a risk of reaching the stacks limit or does it usually not happen?

pliant remnant
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with Plater yeh

warm vortex
golden loom
warm vortex
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Frienship w bm ended

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spear new bestie

pliant remnant
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delete this

golden loom
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that is why macroing it to vanish makes sense since u use that as a 3min cd for fatebound

warm vortex
winter prairie
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I'd there a video of how to do it? And how to work with plater and remove cast bar and things like that?

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Is*

swift escarp
warm vortex
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*aug

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or make it equal

pliant remnant
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Nothing outweighs an Aug being there

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but I respect the spear

winter prairie
warm vortex
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It's so fun

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So many god damn bombs

pliant remnant
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I need to get a weapon for surv on my huntard

warm vortex
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I just nabbed the ara kara one while farming

rotund oak
grim jay
warm vortex
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Not just any rat

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Okayyyy david

grim jay
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Dont spread talk about those pests in here

warm vortex
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Uhh

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evenom

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crimson tempest

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"why do tanks never let me stealth this spec is so unfun and unfriendly to pug"

rotund oak
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any hunter ever said

warm vortex
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Yea, the new hunter spec haha

rotund oak
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lmao

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🐀

grim jay
warm vortex
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Oh jesus it's THAT bad

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Ok yea i'll deffo stop

grim jay
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Its a passion

warm vortex
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i mean after this ara kara grind i yearn for the eco dome

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So i'm gonna have more than enough rogue to play X)

grim jay
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Eco dome unironically good

warm vortex
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It is

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It's chill, fun, cool ambiance,

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only downside is it's quite bright

marsh fjord
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i genuinely hate it that i dont hafve anything to do on my rogu e

warm vortex
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And oh my god i'd take ara kara or eco dome over grinding grim butthole or theatre

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especially theatre

marsh fjord
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Im full bis outside of raid

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im 3k

warm vortex
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Fuck theatre

marsh fjord
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got litteraly nothing to do

warm vortex
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Make another rogue and gear them

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so you can then combine them into one perfect being

marsh fjord
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yeah that seems useless 😄

warm vortex
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Fusion is the new meta

burnt star
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god, just saw the pin.. went to my logs

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not 1 proc in 40 min of raid

marsh fjord
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bruv is playing yu-gi-ho and wow at the same time

grim jay
marsh fjord
grim jay
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Nerd

marsh fjord
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did 8 delves

grim jay
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What about work? Or studying?

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Jkgarf_sit

marsh fjord
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No work or study

grim jay
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Yeah at that point I would probably just start an alt, play something different or push keys

warm vortex
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Competetive pet battles

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get the like

marsh fjord
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Thank god poe2 is coming friday

warm vortex
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5000 ranked pvp wins achivement pet battle thing

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Yes that's a thing

marsh fjord
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Mab ye i can grind honor gear

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and try to get elite

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for the set

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I wonder why people play sub on dimensius with having 4 execute phases

warm vortex
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When i saw honor i thought you said for honor

spice surge
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Theres adds

warm vortex
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and i don't want to see self harm here

spice surge
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So kek

marsh fjord
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yeah

winter prairie
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It'd so hard to find a group for tazavesh

grim jay
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I mean obviously

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People dont wanna do it with randoms

marsh fjord
grim jay
crisp venture
marsh fjord
grim jay
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More of a play good thing

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And abusing bugs, waiting for bl etc

humble verge
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people slammed their 2nd spark on wrists for 720 yet

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or just used the "free" hero ver

red schooner
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Can slam it up later

stable apex
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I also used free hero and use gildeds for actual relevant slots

marsh fjord
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I feel like its better to use your hero one

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so you can spend your gilded on other stuff

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Wrist item level matters so little

golden loom
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free is very good when crest cap is a thing

marsh fjord
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because i had no fucking clue lol

hollow bolt
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I am a little confused - if you only plan to play m+ and dont need an immediate power spike, what is the BIS setup for embellishments?

spice surge
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It doesnt matter

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Theyre all superweak, as long as you have either its fine

clever heron
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Ascension on weap, nerub on wrists is what I'm still using.

hollow bolt
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Okay, thanks!

red schooner
clever heron
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Gank people in war-mode.

winter prairie
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Is there a fast way to learn platers? All the videos about it are so long

spice surge
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!plater

prisma monolithBOT
spice surge
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Copy any of these and dont bother learning anything is the fastest way Surebud

winter prairie
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Ty

potent oracle
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guys as assa u want to use envemnom with 7 combo points always ?

coral ibex
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no

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5+

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7 to consume dn

potent oracle
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so if i have 5 combo points is not worth to use mutilate and then envenom right ?

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and at AOE , our prio is to bleed every moob first ?

weak blade
humble condor
raw marlin
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anyone else feel like they play a boss really well and then your log is like an 80 lol and you're like wtf am i even doing wrong

main bridge
torn dome
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is there a guide on what to add to dagger when crafting

raw marlin
prisma monolithBOT
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Preferences currently are wrist/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" overall, but Blessed Weapon Grip + Dawnthread can be VERY VERY slightly better in m+

Always craft a dagger for at least an offhand. Put Ascencion or Blessed Weapon Grip on it. Additional Crafts should be Wrist (maybe Belt later in the patch after dropping the delve belt) for your second embellishment, after that whatever low item level slot is fine, necks can be good crafts.
If you have a myth track weapon in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

raw marlin
torn dome
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ty

golden loom
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for example I do shiv vanish dm kb cause I have trinket macrod to vanish and want it active before dm coinflips

potent oracle
mighty vine
unreal fern
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!stats

prisma monolithBOT
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
  • Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
raw marlin
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why is his hand of fate doing double my hand of fate? Am I doing something wrong here, we have the same casts pretty much

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marsh fjord
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But you guys kill it so fast

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that you will automaticly parse worse

indigo thicket
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anyone know the ilvl the 80 boost gives you?

fallen arch
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Do we run CT on the council fight?

fading elbow
main bridge
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Slower kill…better? batman_hmm

fallen arch
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The uh Soul Hunters

marsh fjord
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in my opinion: we do so muich damage in execute phase and if you just run over that fight like that. you can

indigo thicket
marsh fjord
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you cant even parse

marsh fjord
dire basalt
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is it always worth going all the way up to full cp for the darkest night thingy?

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to proc it asap

marsh fjord
limber cargo
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!guide

marsh fjord
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otherwise yo ucant proc it

prisma monolithBOT
indigo thicket
golden loom
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100% of the time

dire basalt
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sorry i mean do i use a one cp ability instead of mutilate to reach or justm utilate even tho it overcaps

golden loom
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if garrote is in pandemic sure

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otherwise no just mutilate

marsh fjord
dire basalt
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okey ty 😄

marsh fjord
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one or the other

golden loom
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!fok

prisma monolithBOT
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Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

  • Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
    Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
  • Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
    Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
  • Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

dire basalt
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i see

golden loom
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Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

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for fok

rustic thunder
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!loot

prisma monolithBOT
marsh fjord
dire basalt
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i wouldve been useless wihtout this discord haha

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also do i always use ct in St on bosses etc m+`?

marsh fjord
dire basalt
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great

marsh fjord
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You keep it up just as your garrote/rupture

lavish wing
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so if I got the pin correctly, Jastor is still simming as it should but in reality it doesnt proc too much if ever?

main bridge
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You can check your logs to confirm that

lavish wing
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true but the sim part is important as well

main bridge
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Not if the sim isn’t reflecting reality

dire basalt
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so basically for aoe i open up with Ambush prio target, spread garrote rupt, CT and use mutilate for splatter and start dumping envenoms into prio with fan of knives to build?

raw marlin
main bridge
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You should read the guide

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It answers all these questions and more

lavish wing
main bridge
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You confirm with logs

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As I said

red schooner
main bridge
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No you have to sim that

red schooner
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Damn

main bridge
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Restaurant slice sim

red schooner
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Why is pizzamilk a thing

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Who did this?

raw marlin
main bridge
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Not sure but I laughed when I saw it

worn badger
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Yay talent tree panels at gamescon finally

red schooner
lavish wing
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its procing for me in the logs... but i swap between assa and sub throughout the raid which also means im (un) equipping the ring so...

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one fractilus kill i had 86% and the other 90% uptime

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that seems alright

worn badger
spice spire
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Delete this

red schooner
worn badger
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NDA's are annoying. That is all

mighty vine
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they just adding the new tier set bonuses as the last new line in the hero trees. mark my words

candid sun
coral ibex
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0% jastor uptime on my loomithar kill

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fuck this shit ass bugged ring man

humble verge
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a fucking dk got me beat in ara 13

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i need to retire

weary stump
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Yeah but you have the better details name therefore you win ok

coral ibex
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yea but dk is an overtuned mary sue class

humble verge
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well, to be frank - he did deny me a lot of restealths

coral ibex
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they have to be good or people shit their pants

humble verge
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actually had to spam vanish

glad holly
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Hey gamers, if anyone isnt busy. Could someone help do a log review for my Mythic Loominar kill. I parsed like dogshit and im not sure exactly where I went wrong?

humble verge
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post

coral ibex
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how do i sim jastor with 0% uptime to see if i should just equip a ring that sims as -1%

glad holly
humble verge
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fuc kyou zac

coral ibex
spice spire
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I’m not Zac wth

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I’m gaslighting him

dire basalt
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is there any dbm profile thats specifically good for raids or dungs etc?

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or mostly was?

main bridge
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Littlewigs is what I use for dungeons

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But I also use Bigwigs so if you’re a DBM enjoyer you probably don’t want both

dire basalt
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is there any diff between them? personal pref maybe?

main bridge
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Yes there are probably many differences

coral ibex
hard river
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click expert mode and put it in the footer box

coral ibex
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thank you!

craggy wraith
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we play bleed only in m+? no argument for hybrid?

main bridge
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Not in s3

weak blade
main bridge
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Doesn’t understand how FB works I guess. That’s more of a question for him

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Mutilate is a builder so it will be used a lot but there should be more envenoms to spend

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Whispyr has a good video on Fatebound and it’s also on the guide

grim blaze
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I'm probably missing something very obvious here, but why won't my trinket activate through the macro? It's the Corporeal Essence-Gorger. I've tried using the trinket's name directly and it still doesn't trigger.

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I did check the pins but I may have missed it

main bridge
craggy wraith
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oh u got reply mb

craggy wraith
grim blaze
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Damn, I feel dumb as hell

main bridge
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Not really. Bleed got a lot of buffs and it’s very good

craggy wraith
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yeah good doesnt always = fun

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i much prefer the hybrid build and kingsbane

main bridge
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You can still play it if you want

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It just won’t be optimal

ruby shoal
craggy wraith
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im a slave for whats better still despite not enjoying haha

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so will be bleed

frosty bridge
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ayo is the hero track boots worth taking over a myth track item long term what yall think

coral ibex
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well when are you gonna kill soul hunters mythic

frosty bridge
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i aint simming it, i want to play the last 3 weeks of the season for title

coral ibex
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is the question

frosty bridge
craggy wraith
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gl

main bridge
frosty bridge
craggy wraith
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right

main bridge
frosty bridge
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i mean im like 692 ilvl, title keys wont be playable for the next few months

craggy wraith
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its like that ur talking to a future US marine exept its a future title player

grim blaze
# main bridge Just 13 no “slot”

If I manually type /use 13 it triggers, but having it in the macro still isn't working. I wonder if it's just an issue with the trinket itself?

frosty bridge
golden loom
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does the trinket have some channel or something

craggy wraith
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if you know u know

golden loom
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or is it off the GCD

coral ibex
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did you know warriors can channel trinkets during charge

grim blaze
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No channel and it's off the GCD

main bridge
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Make sure the use trinket is in the top slot. The last trinket slot is 14

neat remnant
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!plater

prisma monolithBOT
oblique kiln
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Could someone look at my Forgemaster parse and tell me what I’m doing wrong 😑 I am under the tank in damage 😭

grim blaze
oblique kiln
spare spoke
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droptimizer is telling me sack of terror is better than pacemaker/sacbrood, am i being bamboozled? any simbaiting in that trinket?

main bridge
oblique kiln
golden loom
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well brother

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you are running

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internal bleeding

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and fatebound...

main bridge
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Probably not best talents for that one

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Caustic spatter is a big source of damage in AOE situations

coral ibex
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you're playing a fully ST build on a fight with lots of cleave and you are 685 ilvl

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your parse looks correct to me

golden loom
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also you cast 4 kidney shots in pve

coral ibex
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even if you played a cleave build you'd be doing dogass damage anyway

solid pilot
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when do we break tier set ?

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when we have 4s or on 2s ?

coral ibex
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bc you're 685 ilvl

main bridge
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!tier

prisma monolithBOT
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Get your Season 2 Two Piece immediately, as it is a very powerful gain, stronger than both previous bonuses combined. This is true for both hero talents. The 4 piece is another big step up in dps for both hero talents on top of that.

coral ibex
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parsing vs people with 20+ more ilvl than you

solid pilot
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thanks

oblique kiln
golden loom
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well dont do that 😄

coral ibex
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i mean i guess if you are doing zdps you might as well ks the orbs

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not like its a dps loss

humble verge
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orb thingies...?

golden loom
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but yeah u should play deathstalker and caustic spatter on araz

oblique kiln
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Ok

coral ibex
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probably means the manifestations

spare spoke
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keeping the orbs in place is someone else's problem

golden loom
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Echo are cranking these p3 runs jesus

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boss might actually die today ⏸️

humble verge
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literally philly chiefs moment, losing the 3peat

golden loom
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well it will be insane content when liquid goes live

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cause echo might be at like 30?% by then

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and they are for sure staying up

coral ibex
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finally we get an actual race

craggy wraith
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does anyone have a good plater for assa based off jundies? i found one but was really different

main bridge
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
golden loom
craggy wraith
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struggling to see what bleeding and what isnt

craggy wraith
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it was whispyrs i had it was good but too different

spare spoke
barren meteor
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is to fuck"#% sad single in m+ my gosh

craggy wraith
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wat

tawny pagoda
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
vague dragon
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yo after deathmark i just use 2 shiv i mean i cant send cd with 1 shiv or i must have 2 in cd ?

elder goblet
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is it normal to do tank dps on ST with bleed build :p

coral ibex
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without cds yes

glad tusk
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sorry if its been asked alot but how much dps increase is 2 set / 4 set?

elder goblet
pliant remnant
coral ibex
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because you are in an aoe spec

elder goblet
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ok and the other classes using aoe spec doing 3m xD?

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ST

coral ibex
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you're not playing those classes

pliant remnant
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The better question is why're the frosty boys doing such bad ST tbh

coral ibex
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and you do more aoe than them

pliant remnant
coral ibex
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if you are losing to them in overall its a skill issue

elder goblet
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I won overall my question was single target bruhcat

hot hill
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Quick question: Cold Blood right before or right after Kingsbane? Or is it whatever? In the Opener it says after Kingsbane.

coral ibex
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yea you do low dps in ST in m+ specs other than the boss focused cleave build

manic quartz
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
pliant remnant
manic quartz
hot hill
glad tusk
hollow saddle
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What spec preforms best now? At high end. Big keys, is it the bleed build or the ST KB halvbuild?

main bridge
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all bleed all the time in s3

coral ibex
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bleed until you brick keys with 0 deaths due to low boss damage

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then maybe consider cleave

hollow saddle
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Did like 18s 19s last. Ssn. But not played yet. So need to read up.

severe meadow
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Bleed build stronger than ever

hollow saddle
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Guess ill send it, and figure out as i go.

severe meadow
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And honestly I usually compete pretty well on ST bosses now

main bridge
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if your tank is smart they are pulling trash onto bosses (whenever possible) anyway

hollow saddle
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Thats cool. It was god awful last season.

severe meadow
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I’m sure at the high end keys it falls off quite a bit more, I’ve only been doing 12s

glad tusk
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I crafted 1H dagger with ascension on it, but now reading icyveins it says to craft 2x dawnthread, for m plus. Should i recraft? big difference?

main bridge
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embellishments are not a big difference but you can always sim it and decide for yourself

dense herald
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What would be the "perfect" opener for assa rogue in 5 targets? M+ bleed build

main bridge
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!guide

prisma monolithBOT
main bridge
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read it

dense herald
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I have already read it, but from whispyr encyclopedia video i see that things may change for this build specially

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just want to make sure 🙁

lyric vale
#

!WA

prisma monolithBOT
main bridge
#

Whispyr wrote the guide

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so

dense herald
subtle tundra
#

go with a well geared tank while youre undergeared and youll start sobbing midkey

elder goblet
#

🙁

dire basalt
hybrid lintel
#

whats the proper way to sim m+?

ancient rain
#

dungeon slice

coral ibex
#

dungeonslice

glad tusk
#

is it worth crafting 2nd item wrist, like the guides say, even tho i got BiS stats hero track?

image.png
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or better to just craft weakest item to replace

pliant remnant
#

I mean, what other slots do you wanna craft into?

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'cause there's like none

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besides wrists

ancient rain
#

not much u can replace

pliant remnant
#

and you can farm hero track shit anyway

queen cosmos
#

Craft wrists with free hero crest

glad tusk
#

ye true, i was just thinking ring bcs i got trash ring

barren yarrow
#

yeah weapon and wrists honestly. And belt gets replaced after 710

ancient rain
ancient rain
humble verge
#

crazy mount

image.png
minor dagger
#

!gear

prisma monolithBOT
dire basalt
glad tusk
young pebble
#

Are the 2p/4p Deathstalker set bonuses fairly passive in the M+ bleed build? As in, do I have to adjust my play in any substantive way from S2?

velvet pier
#

Before anyone spam sim it - do we prefer prism over lily?
I cant seem to figure out if prism is better for Fatebound...

main bridge
#

is there some reason not to sim?

queen cosmos
velvet pier
#

I did, but it seems weird that FB wants that much mastery, when prism can give up to xx times agi

main bridge
#

do you feel like mastery is a bad stat or something?

glad tusk
coral ibex
#

i mean

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you just use both

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stack up prism for 3m burst

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lily for all others

velvet pier
#

For FB? kinda in the big single target windows.
But its just weird that i have not pick it in vault because of me having lily already.

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hm

main bridge
#

if you're going to feelcraft it just equip whatever you want

velvet pier
#

true

golden loom
shy creek
#

is jastor's diamond giga oversimming

coral ibex
#

yea

#

shits bugged

shy creek
#

knew it

#

this shit sucks

coral ibex
#

0% uptime for me on both mythic kills last night

shy creek
#

im swapping it

coral ibex
#

like actually 0%

main bridge
#

the sim is correct but in reality there seems to be a bug affecting the uptime of the buff

shy creek
#

mmm

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maybe nto?

coral ibex
#

im just assuming it will be 0%

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doubt it gets fixed anyway

shy creek
#

yeah idk maybe its not oversimming

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im looking thru my kills

#

its like 60-80%

main bridge
#

i've seen as long as 29% on some fights and 95% on others

shy creek
#

wait no i straight up never proccd it on some fights lmfao

coral ibex
main bridge
#

so it's basically down to whether you want to assume it will high roll for you

coral ibex
#

do you see it in my damage buffs???

#

cuz i dont

shy creek
#

i do not either LOL

mint urchin
#

For FB with 4pc do you just hold vanish for like 1m or do you just say f it and realign it at 6m?

shy creek
#

mine has 90% uptime LOL

coral ibex
#

0/3/6/9 bursts

mint urchin
#

K so you just hold it

coral ibex
#

yea

vocal seal
#

!craft

prisma monolithBOT
#

Preferences currently are wrist/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" overall, but Blessed Weapon Grip + Dawnthread can be VERY VERY slightly better in m+

Always craft a dagger for at least an offhand. Put Ascencion or Blessed Weapon Grip on it. Additional Crafts should be Wrist (maybe Belt later in the patch after dropping the delve belt) for your second embellishment, after that whatever low item level slot is fine, necks can be good crafts.
If you have a myth track weapon in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

coral ibex
#

otherwise ur vanishing a non-dm kb which is like

#

why

mint urchin
#

Yeah used to DS with MA

#

Lol

shy creek
#

mmm debating if i swap out jastors

#

ig i do just for consistency sake

coral ibex
#

didnt proc on soulbinder either

image.png
coral ibex
#

it sims at -1.1% with 0% uptime for me

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so i swapped

main bridge
#

you get a ton more stamina for equipping a higher ilvl ring too

shy creek
#

how did u sim the uptime

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custom?

coral ibex
#

override.spell_data=effect.1196163.coefficient=0

#

im free

image.png
main bridge
#

how are you free

coral ibex
#

before anyone freaks out i got a myth shoulder drop i cant catalyze so the 6/6 hero upgrade was free

shy creek
#

gonna sim it at 50% and see if its any half decent

main bridge
#

look at all this unupgraded gear

coral ibex
#

free from jastor brother

golden loom
#

WTF U SENT GILDED CRESTS ON SHOULDERS REPOOOOOOOOOOrTED

coral ibex
golden loom
#

I cant read sorry

#

I dont know what that is

coral ibex
fallow canopy
golden loom
#

why is that red card gif so high fps

#

tripping me out wtf

coral ibex
#

i specialize in high fps gifs

manic haven
#

Any general consensus on cursed stone idol? Too awkward to run in m+ since it eats into IC time and better off with signet or?

coral ibex
vocal seal
golden loom
shy creek
#

hmmm

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def did smthn wrong lmfao

coral ibex
#

yea idk what u did

#

i went top gear

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only options were my 3 best rings including jastor

#

and the string

shy creek
#

i set the coefficient to 50

#

which

#

is probably a large mistake

#

sims correctly at 0

main bridge
#

i mean as we've all seen the actual proc rate is not consistent to any number

coral ibex
#

yea

queen cosmos
shy creek
#

i imagine if the variance is that high to begin with, it'll probably normalize to 50

#

but who knows

severe meadow
coral ibex
#

its not oversimming

#

the item is bugged in game

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and not proccing

#

so we're simming to replicate the in game behavior rn

wide atlas
#

Hello I succ at rogue what should I do:
reroll hunter

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unistall

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keep playing rogue

shy creek
#

do what u enjoy

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its just a game

wide atlas
#

ty

#

unistall

frank vector
#

is our boss dmg in dungeons relatively worse than last season

shy creek
#

we are currently palying a bleed build which is just bad st

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its always been the case if u play bleed u will do low st

frank vector
#

yea but feels worse than it did last seas

shy creek
#

for the more boss focused dungeons im just playing sub

frank vector
#

like a good margin

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but yea overall is good

golden loom
#

then u skyrocket

frank vector
#

for the first 30 sec

wide atlas
#

@shy creek one question bud. If I am in 3 target scenario (soulhunters) and they constantly move should I try to keep garrote and rupture onto the 3 all times

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I find it hard to do so and I wonder if it is better to just dot one and caustic spatter the others

frank vector
#

lightning strike puts me in combat atleast once a run

golden loom
#

well u are running the wrong belt thing then

frank vector
#

waa

golden loom
#

u run the crit or the mastery one depending on what sims better

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never the bolts

frank vector
#

oh dam

shy creek
frank vector
#

i applied it and forgot about it tbh

#

wait where tf can i change it

golden loom
#

click the belt

frank vector
#

critical chain?

#

looks like i needa delve

fallow canopy
#

You can get it in t1 if you don't wanna spend too much time on it

wide atlas
supple spindle
#

hey. so how do i correctly sim which crafted item will give me more gain? i wanna skip wrists and instead replace neck/ring since i am extremely unlucky on getting these slots. Can i just sim both simalteniously or should i make two separate sims and then compare them?

coral ibex
#

you play bleed on soul hunters

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fwiw

shy creek
coral ibex
#

literal m+ bleed build

wide atlas
#

2 vanish build no kingsbane?

shy creek
#

Yea

#

Can use one vanish to apply dots

wide atlas
#

:0

fallow canopy
shy creek
#

the other for dm

fallow canopy
#

And sim a bunch of combinations if you want

wide atlas
#

that's sick ty

midnight atlas
#

!macro

prisma monolithBOT
#

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

hollow fulcrum
#

holy shit i finally got seaforium

wide atlas
#

and vanish to reaply deathmark on the intrerface?

supple spindle
marsh fjord
#

Oh boy

#

Have you guys read this

solid vault
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
real pike
#

On DH fight is there any one of the bosses that jumps about less than the others? That's good to have as a main target

hearty grotto
#

Hey guys,
I have a quick question how do we deal dammage in single without kingsbane ?

coral ibex
#

deathmark

main bridge
#

get tank to bring trash onto boss

hearty grotto
#

And i play the same as if kingsbane was here

frank vector
#

game play impacting changes" omegalul those nodes are gunna be "increase cloak for 2 seconds or increase envasion for 2 seconds"

fallow canopy
supple spindle
fallow canopy
#

Np

wide berry
#

Fatebound CDs is Shiv > Mark > Bane+CB right?

hearty grotto
#

Thanks guys

wide berry
#

Then just Shiv last 8 sec of Bane?

main bridge
#

Yep that’s what the guide says

plush hare
hollow fulcrum
#

so if i have 704 bracers and 688 rings should i craft a ring this week at 720 and then craft bracers next week at 720

#

or should i just off rip craft 720 bracers

snow kindle
#

mythic weapon already?

hollow fulcrum
#

720 wep ye

#

with ascension

snow kindle
#

your bracers have writhing right

hollow fulcrum
#

no

#

thats what im asking

#

oh shit ig id have to wait 2 weeks to craft again

snow kindle
#

yea

hollow fulcrum
#

alr nvm

main bridge
hollow fulcrum
#

i lowkey forgot we get them bi monthly

limpid sky
#

!sim

fresh kelp
uneven pine
#

You want to CB before KB, right?

fresh kelp
runic hinge
#

together

fresh kelp
#

only works on envenom anyway

turbid nymph
uneven pine
shy creek
#

There’s a bug with the fatebound 4pc that is causing double the cooldown reduction. This is a bit tricky to replicate, and we’re hoping for a fix soon. Additionally Momentum of Despair is also bugged and simply does not work. Take follow the blood always instead - whispyr pin

dim spade
#

is worth use the second craft for the offhand or better use 710 hero?

turbid nymph
shy creek
golden loom
#

like literally worthless dogshit slot

normal mist
#

is bottom of the list

#

of crafting items

dim spade
#

then bracalet better?

normal mist
#

its your safe craft

#

weapon + bracer

golden loom
#

yeah its a good slot to craft cause bracers are low prio slot and u have a free runed crest available

#

so might aswell have the embelishment on a shitty slot

normal mist
#

for ascension + writhin embelishments

dim spade
#

weapon already crafted then next bracer

#

nice nice ty mates

raw marlin
#

does anyone else hate the dh fight?

#

its fucking ass lol

raw marlin
marsh fjord
brave comet
#

it really feels like the bleed build is more of a ramp up this season than the last

static glacier
brave comet
#

it really feels awful to have enemies die before you shivv'd

#

especially in massive pulls where youre spending 8-10 seconds just applying garrote/rupture etc

quartz echo
#

!macro

prisma monolithBOT
#

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

hard kernel
#

wIf I don't raid should I craft another 720 dagger?

marsh fjord
#

Guys time to start cooking what our apex talent gonna be in midnight

marsh fjord
wild pine
#

is there like a quick cheat sheet for the raid to know what talent build to go for for each boss?

marsh fjord
wild pine
#

i went full single target last week on all bosses so my parses are down in the dumps xD

marsh fjord
main bridge
#

You can also look at top parses on lorrgs and copy builds

royal lantern
#

on wowhead

wild pine
#

cant find it

#

send link pls? 😄

crude helm
#

!log

prisma monolithBOT
#

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

coral ibex
#

its in the assa guide

#

under manaforge omega

crude helm
#

What’s the cmd for a log thread

royal lantern
normal mist
wild pine
obtuse ruin
#

!macro

prisma monolithBOT
#

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

obtuse ruin
#

does anyone have a mouseover rupture/garrote macro where if you dont mouseover it applies to current target?

coral ibex
#

[@mouseover] []

obtuse ruin
#

doesnt apply to current target if I dont mouse over

coral ibex
#

did you include the []

#

o shit include a space

#

i forgot the space

upbeat niche
#

question about different M+ builds. Guide mentions the other non-bleed builds but I am unsure when/if I am supposed to transition to them from the bleed build (if at all)

shy creek
#

i think specific peoppe can create a thread

normal mist
upbeat niche
#

ty

weary sky
#

Hi everyone I was wondering after the trinket buffs before the season started what's everyone's opinion on Stone cursed idol.... And if I could get actual opinions instead of just it sucks or it's it's garbage I would appreciate it..... I currently like using it on pre-pull to help put gas in the engine with sealed fate at the beginning of a fight... Is it worth using though or would it be better to run my other options of trinkets which I have a hero sacbrood and a hero Crystal from dawnbreaker?

shy creek
#

that said

#

cursed stone idol

#

save for the channel

#

when u get to hit the amt of crit u get from it

hardy wharf
#

Does any body know roughly how much dmg loss is the bug fix on caustic splatter from august 19th in dungeons?

shy creek
#

feels really fun

#

that said is it much good, meh

raw marlin
near flame
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
weary sky
raw marlin
shy creek
weary sky
#

Plus I just found out that movement doesn't cancel the channel either which makes it a big plus

shy creek
#

realistically if u find it fun

#

and u enjoy using it

#

go for it

#

nothing wrong with it

weary sky
#

I find it fun to use generally I like to use one on use and one passive I never like going two of either.... But running a dawnbreaker last night I randomly got the crystal on heroic and I have a heroic sac brood the idols also heroic I was just trying to ask more like-minded rogues to get opinions if the buff actually mattered before season launch

shy creek
#

mmm the buff mattered enough, but its not enough for us to personally out value it on over the passive trinkets of strength i believe

#

othere classes quite like it

weary sky
#

It just felt really useful because I dropped my pacemaker from last season for the sacbrood and as of now it seems like rogues are either running a super high amount of verse for them and that could just be because the beginning of the season...

main bridge
#

Everybody has different gear so it doesn’t make sense to copy stats or even gear

shy creek
#

but also that said, most top rogues are probably optimized for raid

#

in which vers is a more valuable stat to them

coral ibex
#

people are equipping mostly item level

marsh fjord
#

when we reach dimensius and play assa we for sure play DS. there is no way fatebound is playable on that boss kekman

#

(mythic that is)

shy creek
marsh fjord
coral ibex
#

more adds

runic hinge
#

i dont think juggling the mark is gonna be easy to do tho

coral ibex
#

but the mark management

#

is gonna be absolute fucking ass

marsh fjord
#

Yup

coral ibex
#

you have to commit to no mark on at least one platform

#

which is so cooked

marsh fjord
#

just put mark on big add honestly

#

and cleave of it

coral ibex
#

its not about that

#

its about the forced downtime

#

you will drop your DN buff

#

twice

marsh fjord
#

yeah by flying

#

you right

#

that fucking sucks holy

coral ibex
#

its so cursed

marsh fjord
#

didnt even thought of that

coral ibex
#

you need 2 vanishes

marsh fjord
#

back to fatebound we go

runic hinge
#

bleed build dimensius

marsh fjord
#

thats also cursed 😄

runic hinge
marsh fjord
#

because you still wanna do ST

zenith tree
#

With our next craft being 2 weeks out is there any reason I shouldn't upgrade my myth track helm to max rn?

spice surge
#

Upgrading helm, chest or legs is almost always the highest priority outside of weapons

#

So yes you should probably do that

whole mason
#

did they make 4pc bug worse?

warm vortex
#

No luck from the grind today

image.png
#

Might do more tomorrow or after dinner

royal lantern
warm vortex
magic horizon
#

Hit 2k and got 4 piece nut

royal lantern
#

gz

magic horizon
#

Glad Sin is cooking in M+, I need to get better at CD management for Raid.

real pike
coral ibex
#

no way

#

ill just play fatebound

balmy wing
#

in raids, by avg envenom hits for 2,5 M, what changed between s1 and s3? keeping all debuffs, buffs as far as i can tell and correct cd usage

coral ibex
#

well actually what ill do is if we're in hof contention on dimmy ill learn sub

#

otherwise who cares

#

fatebound gaming

real pike
#

Can we not take the talent that reduces damage with more targets? That's a choice node right?

#

I don't know much about FV

#

FB

onyx pond
spice surge
#

Its not a choice node no

real pike
#

Oh

main bridge
spice surge
#

Neither of them are

coral ibex
real pike
#

Well then

dense cedar
unborn rain
balmy wing
static glacier
halcyon flame
#

Hi is there an wa that tracks how many targets have rupture /garrote?

static glacier
humble verge
balmy wing
#

im comparing with other of similar ilvl and kill time

dense cedar
static glacier
#

ah in that case did you hit the dragon during dmg amp with cds

main bridge
static glacier
balmy wing
#

maybe ignore that fight

#

usually am fb

warm vortex
#

Wait nvm

#

wasn't the ability i thought you were talking about

#

thought you meant invig for a sec

warm vortex
#

Have to censor it else dave will kill me

dense cedar
#

should be fb

static glacier
#

lowkey

#

i think for hc just play fb on everything

#

only real lock in ds fight is soulbinder

#

chain lightning murders any adds on spawn anyway

marsh fjord
#

and council

#

😄

static glacier
#

ah ye council too

#

actually forgot about soul hunters

#

that boss feels like a trash pack

marsh fjord
#

shit boss anyway bro

#

😄

dense cedar
#

wait

#

these talents r psychotic actually for fractilus

winged quail
#

Why would you do that

#

For fractilus

dense cedar
#

@balmy wing don't run this

coral ibex
#

that looks like the soul hunter build vaguely

#

but not really

winged quail
#

Soul hunters is legit better with m+ build I swear

balmy wing
dense gale
#

Kinda new to rogue, but should I always try and stay above 50% energy in fights for Sanguine blades to kick in?

autumn portal
#

!FUU

prisma monolithBOT
static glacier
#

ic aswell lmao

#

and ct

#

is this a soulhunters buildd?

dense cedar
static glacier
#

i dont bother with it most of the time tbh

static glacier
dense gale
#

Cheers mate, thats good to know 🙂

zenith tree
#

Had a group brick a flood, couldn't hearth out after people left, tried to alt f4 and I've been stuck on "retrieving character list" for about 5 minutes. SoS

barren yarrow
#

Question for the group and I’m just curious but is PTR how we develop the guides and then just inputs from other top tier rogues?

#

I saw exile doing some interesting stuff this race so far

#

I’m a nobody compared to most of yall lol

main bridge
#

It wouldn’t make sense to make guides based on PTR since it’s actively in development

barren yarrow
#

so trial and error and sims?

#

And that’s were we test everything so I think it does make sense alittle?

main bridge
#

You’d have to ask the guide writers about how but when is definitely after PTR

barren yarrow
#

yeah it was mainly for them

spring token
#

hey quick one do we crimson tempest on st ?

barren yarrow
#

no we don’t CT on single target

dense cedar
spring token
#

thanks guys

dense cedar
spring token
#

what now 😄

barren yarrow
#

ok bleed build only

#

outside of bleed build no

dense cedar
#

bleed also the only thing being played so

barren yarrow
#

which is like one fight

dense cedar
#

not really much to think about

barren yarrow
#

raid or M+ lets clarify that first

spring token
#

m+ shouldve said that

dense cedar
#

obviously M+

main bridge
#

Bleed is the only build that has CT and it does use CT on ST.

late ravine
#

!tricks

prisma monolithBOT
#

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
barren yarrow
#

No it’s not obvious because I did bleed build for soul hunters….

dense cedar
#

that not st fight

barren yarrow
#

which isn’t a single target fight

spice lagoon
#

so if i have 100% uptime on all my bleeds and garrote and i just use mutilate to always apply caustic can i swap to another target?

barren yarrow
#

Anywho yes CT on ST if running bless build.

gaunt sigil
#

no

dense cedar
gaunt sigil
#

Dont swap target if you have mark on your target

spice lagoon
#

one DM comes off then i can?

gaunt sigil
#

ever angrycat

dense cedar
#

when u say DM

#

do u mean hero talent

#

or deathmark

spice lagoon
#

deathmark

dense cedar
#

no

spice lagoon
#

oh ok bet

marsh fjord
#

Holmes is talking out of his ass i see

gaunt sigil
#

Mastery yesyesyes

#

Me no care about DR and optimal stats

#

me like bleed

main bridge
#

If you don’t care about stats why do you have this add on?

gaunt sigil
#

Because I like to show the haters how much I waste

marsh fjord
#

where is my big dawg whispyr

#

i miss him

main bridge
#

Stats Andy in denial smh

marsh fjord
#

😄

gaunt sigil
#

acthually high mastery is hypothetically bis cause in mythic raid you do lots of mechanic and cant always uptime boss so bleed damage is the best stat Nerd

main bridge
#

I sim everything. Earlier I simmed my lunch

marsh fjord
gaunt sigil
#

well fed buff irl

main bridge
marsh fjord
coral garnet
#

I have a technical question, on council fights, is it worht keeping rupture and garrote aon all targets has much as possible?

#

and if yes, is there a plater profile to easily follow this or something? thanks!

main bridge
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
main bridge
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Plater profiles ^

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you may also want boss frames

coral garnet
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ty!

golden loom
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bro this race is gonna be insane

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echo just saw the enrage

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while boss was 37% garf

dense gale
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Quick question when you guys sim for m+ do you take 5 bosses and 1 min or something else?

spring oar
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could someone help me check my logs to find out what im doing wrong? Feels like my dps is bad and I want to improve it.

round vapor
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
golden loom
solar wyvern
main bridge
spring oar
golden loom
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assa time garf

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but in reality probably not, sub does a lot on the platforms

spice surge
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Perfecto is holding his cds a bit too so he has like 7s left on them when p3 starts, which seems kinda sus for p3 damage

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But it definitely makes him blast platforms harder

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(he waits a few seconds to get more of his burst in while the adds are up)

golden loom
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yeah its kind of an insane balancing act this boss

spice lagoon
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after you apply deathmark and your target dies do you start going attacking apply your poisons on n the next enemies that has more health?

golden loom
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so many damage checks

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the damage amp for assa isnt ideal either right

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ideal scenario you save combo points from platform

spice surge
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The amp is 15 seconds, but 1-1.5s of those is running to the boss

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Because you cant step ICANT

golden loom
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and then rupture garrote mutilate envenom and then 9 or 10 globals in cds

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and yeah average fucking shadowstep experience this tier..

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but the last cd set would be good atleast

winged sun
real pike