assassination

[balmy condor]

myth sacbrood will last you a good while

neither of those options are "good"

[left talon]

roger, thx

[severe meadow]

Is there an ilvl breakpoint for Araz to go bananas mode? It's simming quite bad against Lily even in DS

[paper ibex]

Appreciate this, thank you

[jolly stirrup]

I only had one Myth Slot, and its a Necklace, (M.A.M.A smth smth i dont remember) but I have HC chest on top row. Is going for the chest to have a full HC set a valid option?

I have the BIS Necklace in HC already

[drifting cloud]

short term, maybe
long term definetly not

[balmy condor]

no, they're just both goo

[obtuse ruin]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[severe meadow]

Gotcha, didn't know if Araz agility scaled at some point higher than the mastery from Lily

[drifting cloud]

I love goo

[runic hinge]

Lemme make some for you

[drifting cloud]

it better be homemade

[runic hinge]

Yeah I got you

[sullen monolith]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[static shore]

do we hold netherprism for every deathmark set with vanish or we use it with every deathmar guide says with vanish but i saw whispyr logs and he used it every 1.5min

[waxen oyster]

the downside to prism is i cant be a lazy turd and macro it to dm

you just send it with dms besides the first one

[drifting cloud]

technically you can

whispyr said its like 0.5% worse

[obtuse ruin]

lily!

[haughty flicker]

what if im lazy and just macro it to vanish

[rotund kindle]

araz forge in hero is simming way worse than lily for me, am i doing something insanely bad or its normal?

[junior axle]

do people in this disc do log review?

[jolly stirrup]

I would assume so

[next cape]

idk

[jolly stirrup]

Antenna is a no brainer here no?

Ah

Its hc

[next cape]

ye

[jolly stirrup]

[brittle marten]

How big is 4set for assassination? Should I pick a champion item tier item over a mythic item from my vault ?

[jade abyss]

i cant decide between potencial 4p or the trinket from araz... im not raiding so often ._.

[waxen oyster]

as fatebound or ds

[next cape]

4 set is a 200k dps increase for me personally

[rotund kindle]

fb

[waxen oyster]

Yeah 1.5min spec

2min trinket bad

[coral ibex]

you can farm hero track armor from m+ and catalyze it, i wouldnt take champ track from vault after week 1

[rare plinth]

this trinket also bis iin m+?

[waxen oyster]

No because forge exists

[brittle marten]

Yea but I only have one catalyst left so that means I’ll only have my 4 set next week

[sonic zinc]

how meh is ele focus lens for sin

[rotund kindle]

so, forgeweaver thing for deathstalker and netherprism for fb?

[waxen oyster]

Lily

[sonic zinc]

tryinta weigh embel for sin + sub

[waxen oyster]

Realistically is lily better than prism at equal ilvl

[flat flare]

I guess I'm an assa player now...

[waxen oyster]

Higher chance of getting myth lily sooner than myth prism

[rotund kindle]

Ok so if i passed a heroic araz forge im idiot 100% ?

[haughty flicker]

it sims better for me at least

[rotund kindle]

i have lilly btw

[haughty flicker]

but idk

[waxen oyster]

I mean i wouldnt pass on forge

[velvet pier]

Im so unlucky, mythic hands i already have tier <.< and lily and brood is already on HC mode......

Is it a prism angle over hero4/6 lily??

[rotund kindle]

o7

[waxen oyster]

i just told lootcouncil im not using it on st

so i likely dont have prio

[haughty flicker]

i wouldnt pass on it but i also wouldnt expect to get it

[waxen oyster]

they gave me prism

so its okie

[haughty flicker]

i got a champ track prism

so at least its something ig

[waxen oyster]

same

replaced my hoc

[rotund kindle]

yeah i would've been in the same situation

so like

having lilly and netherprism

im ok for both talents right? i just dont wanna troll

[waxen oyster]

basically when you play prism it works for everything

[drifting cloud]

I mean forge is good on exactly 1 fight in mythic as assa

[waxen oyster]

you just wont have a trinket your first set of cds

[drifting cloud]

so unless nobody needs it it shouldnt go to a rogue

[waxen oyster]

which is kind of whatever since execute spec

[rotund kindle]

aight

so im kinda okie passing it

lilly my goat

[waxen oyster]

I dont pass i just say low prio

so any smart lc

[rotund kindle]

i garfed my lc

noway

[quasi ledge]

What a loser vault... I probably take tier hands so I have 4p

[golden loom]

also got this from firstboss yesterday, at max upgrade its only 0.4% better

[junior axle]

on the araz fight, how do i get my caustic spatter damage up, im seeing my number 1 damage be envenom

[golden loom]

atleast its a good socket target if I get bad vaults

[waxen oyster]

i got salad belt with note: “it’ll be better in 5 weeks”

[golden loom]

yeah like soulbinder wrists dropped

fastest pass of my life

bigger headache of trying to figure out how to gear around that than any potential dps gain

[waxen oyster]

we had 3 plate belts on heroic

2 seasons in a row myth pacemaker first vault

[golden loom]

big

[waxen oyster]

actually i lied s2 i got it 2nd mythic week

now i get to not fight 14 people for antenna

[golden loom]

same

[somber patrol]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[thick sigil]

wtf is this shit

[velvet pier]

I see good ring and a catalyst mythic shoulder lol

[nova kelp]

same

[thick sigil]

no charge, and ring is kinda shit for me atm

[coral ibex]

devout zealot is good

[nova kelp]

ring is v good

[velvet pier]

Its probably the closest you come to a bis ring

[thick sigil]

i have godly amounts of haste

[onyx pond]

on the long run gloves will be better, but with the vest i go 4set. What should i do guys?

[velvet pier]

Its the crit you want

[lusty kraken]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1326473968416194560/1407592725481652306/image.png?ex=68a6aa61&is=68a558e1&hm=005e06cf8f51c92cc410e0347f88fbfd6039bdf9bfdd2f740b451218d99ecf4e&

[nova kelp]

if you HAVE a godly amount of haste, that's fine, you can always find other pieces of gear

[thick sigil]

ring is crit/haste tho

[nova kelp]

and?

[lusty kraken]

Head or trinket?

[thick sigil]

but ye would need new neck

[coral ibex]

doesn't really matter

[nova kelp]

crit haste is good

[coral ibex]

assa prefers ilvl until ur literally max ilvl

then you can fix ur stats

[rigid fable]

Guys, Assasin is so shit in ST? D:

[nova kelp]

if I saw that ring in my vault I'd be fucking dancing

[coral ibex]

unless ur playing ds and you have a jastor diamond i literally cannot get rid of this fucking ring

[somber patrol]

halp

[coral ibex]

the sim wants me to wear jastor + a hero ring instead of the myth ring i just got

for DS builds

[velvet pier]

pretty sure thats a mythic lily anyday

[rigid fable]

everytime i dont have Deathmark in boss/ST i do so poor dps is that normal?

[fallow canopy]

in m+ yes it just be that way

[rigid fable]

is so sad :/ idk what do to improve my dps ST

[thick sigil]

well fully upgraded ring is a minor upgrade that is true

[nova kelp]

improve your st as bleed? you bring other mobs with you to funnel

lol

[waxen oyster]

your cds should come back mid boss

[nova kelp]

the ring will be an upgrade anyway, once you have other gear on it will effectively get better with stat shifts

don't think about it too hard

ring good

[thick sigil]

0.2% right of the bat!

i will, because fuck rings, got ring first vault last season aswell

boring shit

[golden loom]

okay lets fkin go LFR legs

3 piece now!!

[waxen oyster]

Assa stats are chill

Change jewelry

change cloak gem

bam fixed

[golden loom]

the cloak gem is so nice for stat stuff

[knotty vapor]

anyone with a good understanding of weakauras wanna help me put together something for tracking netherprism stacks?

just stuck on one lil part

[silent drift]

Skim'd whyspyrs video and looked at the guide, so maybe i missed it. but does anything really change with 4p?

[thick sigil]

personally i lose mastery, so wont do big change to change cloak gem from mastery 😂

[dry shoal]

We do not want set chest do we? we will want crit mastery chest in the long run no?

[waxen oyster]

mastery isnt even always best

[fallow canopy]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[runic hinge]

There’s no set stats

[nova kelp]

wtf bro

[runic hinge]

Just take whatever sims the best

[golden loom]

fatebound turns into 90 second spec, deathstalker you dont want to shiv on darkest night (rather you would shiv when mark is on 1 stack or more)

[cursive hatch]

tonights heroic Nexus-king dragon burn was the biggest kingsbane I've ever had

[nova kelp]

I swaer some of you guys think about this shit WAY too hard

where's that stats don't matter chad at?

[runic hinge]

Making gearing more complicated than just get ilvl is the way

[waxen oyster]

I have no idea what stats the tier pieces gve

[fallow canopy]

I just put everything in and let the clanker figure it out

[nova kelp]

legit I didn't even bother looking lol

I grabbed 4 of them asap

[waxen oyster]

Yeah i just saw big ilvl

and put it on

[nova kelp]

ilvl, check, set bonus, check
we winnin

[dry shoal]

Why would I get an item from vault which isnt bis

[nova kelp]

crafting a neck this week

[coral ibex]

what is bis?

[dry shoal]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[nova kelp]

fuck bis

[rigid fable]

@fallow canopy any tip for increase my ST?

[frozen iris]

My logs for heroic soul strider and Araz are terrible

[waxen oyster]

the soulhunter shoes

[coral ibex]

facts

[nova kelp]

here's what I know, my neck, is shit, I want a good one
crafting it

[waxen oyster]

i did worse on araz this week

boss died too fast

for my final dm spatter

[runic hinge]

Because bis is fake and there’s like 300 combos of pieces you can take at max item level to sim the same dps

[waxen oyster]

usually only “bis” items

are overtuned trinkets

or cantrips

[nova kelp]

here's what else I know
we're getting fucking weird troll elves soon
and we STILL don't have
bird people
snek people
ethereals
ogres
grummels

[runic hinge]

I need bird people so my friend will start playing wow again

[nova kelp]

bro aracockbirds are sick asf

[haughty flicker]

is your friend a bird

[runic hinge]

He says he will come back when blizz adds arrakoa

[runic hinge]

What makes you think that

[haughty flicker]

[nova kelp]

c'caw mother fucker

C'CAW

[coral ibex]

i went to high school with a guy who was really into birds and birdwatching and his first gf had a very bird-like appearance

[fallow canopy]

hard to tell without a log, just follow what's on the guides and accept that even then your ST is gonna be shit, the only way you can do good damage on a boss fight in m+ is with adds/trash packs in the fight

[wanton path]

please help, unsure what to take here. i have 2pc current tier but these trinkets are juicy. Tried to sim but raidbots isnt working with armory atm

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/demon-slayer-kimetsu-no-yaiba-mugen-train-kyojuro-rengoku-rengoku-gif-2254075235405958893

[waxen oyster]

third item is not myth

instant no

[rigid fable]

thats why some pro said... some m+ is better sub then assasin ( streets is one of them)

[nova kelp]

I mean, if it makes a 4 piece I woudln't argue

[coral ibex]

you can farm hero track gear infinitely

[nova kelp]

I'm not totally sold on the streets sub thinking

[coral ibex]

just catalyze an m+ drop

[nova kelp]

I'd probs just go hybrid

[grim jay]

Idk sub isnt much worse on overall either, with the added focus on ST

Unless one of your other dps is limping

[balmy condor]

go hybrid and get less aoe but also not more st

[nova kelp]

over sub if the group was demanding it

[balmy condor]

killing myself

[grim jay]

He probably means cleave ig

[nova kelp]

I'm not sure on streets in general

well yeah

you know what I'm getting at

[balmy condor]

bro idk

[nova kelp]

as is I don't really give a fuck either way

[balmy condor]

some people unironically are still playing hybrid

[nova kelp]

just playing bleed full time

[grim jay]

I either play bleed or sub

[nova kelp]

like if ANYTHING I'd just make a case to bring some funnel into bosses lol

[flat flare]

Just realized i took the trinket from vault thinking it was lily 😭 how good/bad is the incorporeal claw thingy?

[nova kelp]

but then I haven't tried sub in streets yet

[grim jay]

Sim, probably bad

[unkempt wing]

im curious, is hc antenna simming better for u guys than mythic pacemaker ?

[balmy condor]

it should

[nova kelp]

yeah that makes sense to me

atenna is kinda like
massive

[golden loom]

praying on antenna nerfs

[nova kelp]

like every dps spec in the game wants it for a reason

[unkempt wing]

ok thought i was dripping when i simmed it today

[nova kelp]

if you have a hero antenna

[feral wasp]

I got hero antenna and prism in my very casual guild im quite lucky

[nova kelp]

like that slot is SORTED

till myth atenna

[junior axle]

is it ok to hold a full combo envenom for a bit like 5 seconds if adds are going to spawn?

[golden loom]

its a bit better to sit on the final mark stack

consume that late so then darkest night lines up

that way you would gain more mark uptime

[unkempt wing]

man i was happy for 2 min when i saw pacemaker in vault until i simmed. now im sadge

[nova kelp]

you're SAD that you have a hero antenna?

consider this again

[lethal swallow]

@balmy condor what cast timeline WA do you use? Mine scrolls and I hate it

[fallow canopy]

Pissmaker is pretty good its just not broken like the antenna

[waxen oyster]

did you sim max pacemaker

[nova kelp]

I mean he's simming it against an antenna

like

[waxen oyster]

Yeah competition is always gonna be the hardest part about antenna

[white tide]

i was happy to get araz trinket in vault, then simmed it, and well underwhelming, and actually almost nobody using it as FB in raid 😄

[nova kelp]

I believe what he means is he HAS hero antenna

[waxen oyster]

Oh, yeah cant relate

i used crystal for one key then got pace in vault

[knotty vapor]

with fatebound should I be saving lily until 4 seconds after casting kingsbane so that the buff is active when it's hitting the hardest?

[teal snow]

How many embellished crafted items can I have equipped?

[balmy condor]

no'

[nova kelp]

I have champ pacemaker

and I'll probably have it till our dinar tokens lol

[knotty vapor]

just keep macro'd with deathmark then?

[waxen oyster]

You’d dinar antenna

unless you dont raid

[knotty vapor]

also I got netherprism tonight and wow it feels like ass to use

[warm vortex]

Vault time

[balmy condor]

https://wago.io/b9euX-znp/35

[warm vortex]

Simmmmm time

[nova kelp]

mate

I hope you pick the dispenser by accident

[warm vortex]

Probably just pace

[warm vortex]

Why X)

[nova kelp]

jealousy

[fallow canopy]

Same

[warm vortex]

Just a pace angle no?

[waxen oyster]

Watch me get antenna from vault

[balmy condor]

myth chest is crazy

[waxen oyster]

and brick this weeks pacemaker

myth chest is probably more raw gain?

idk

[warm vortex]

One of the tierslots i already have tho

[waxen oyster]

also stamina

[balmy condor]

I mean myth chest literally is either M+ vault, myth soul hunter + cata, or myth fractilus

[left talon]

What do we craft week 2?

[balmy condor]

you use your free runed crest on wrists

or you don't craft at all

[warm vortex]

Alright, prolly going for that then

[golden loom]

he meant that

taking myth chest

is crazy

right?

[balmy condor]

no?

[golden loom]

oh

[balmy condor]

myth track tier chest is very deep into the raid

[warm vortex]

Oh my fucking god

My hunter one is so bad

[nova kelp]

I'd say myth chest is a good pick

[golden loom]

just get it from hardmode taz

[wise plume]

Anyones elses cloak stuck at 714?

[nova kelp]

mate fuck hm taz

[warm vortex]

Guess im taking shoulders for cata on hunter

[nova kelp]

blizz keeping the no death clause in hm taz is basically just terrorism

[bright tartan]

If they nerf dragon it’s not that bad

[grim jay]

Hating on the neck craft

[tepid meadow]

any good players have a link to how a mythic plus log should look at high keys?

[nova kelp]

fuck that, I'm crafting a neck

[warm vortex]

Im so pissed off

[balmy condor]

tempest/caustic on top, gar/rup/sanguine/envenom under that, then everything else

[tepid meadow]

okay im alright then

how do you decide if you should vanish/refresh bleeds on a pack? like what hp % is it worth it to do that on?

[balmy condor]

it's pretty difficult to fuck up

you should vanish on chain pulls

and uh

that's about it

[warm vortex]

But yea whispy imma trust you and take mythic chest n hope i get 2 more tierpieces this week

[grim jay]

@balmy condor atleast the name fits

It indeed is cursed

[balmy condor]

it's kinda okay

it's just ass to play

[tepid meadow]

i guess its more like, do you refresh bleeds or slam envenoms with caustic if mobs are like 30% hp

[balmy condor]

if you need energy or scent you would refresh, if you don't, you envenom

[tepid meadow]

cool thanks

[grim jay]

Its probably off gcd right? Dont tell me its on gcd

[balmy condor]

it's puzzle box

[grim jay]

Dang

True

[waxen oyster]

I need to find my “aww how sweet vs hello human resources”

of puzzlebox vs grieftorch

[twilit cargo]

mythic HoA ring but not set

😭

[grim jay]

Considering the lack of mythic tier slots, sac being ewww and myth belt being kinda underwhelming with the disc, idk if I should just take araz or deal with the idol pain

[warm vortex]

Ok took mythic chest

I'm so dissapointed about the hunter one tbh

[mint urchin]

it feels so bad to use, it never goes off immediately and you have to spam it

at least you can move

[jolly stirrup]

The fact you even debated taking smth else

[grim jay]

@balmy condor youd probably take araz over idol ig?

And think similarly about the other 2 options

[balmy condor]

ya

[warm vortex]

Pacemaker was the only othert

[fiery basin]

Yoooo "Unyielding Netherprism" how do i tie that in? wait for full stacks or smash on CD?

[balmy condor]

every 3 min on fatebound or macro to dm

[waxen oyster]

Oh wait its 3mins for fatebound?

oops

[fiery basin]

damn so i cant run Araz's forge together with it?

[balmy condor]

well fatebound is 1:30 and araz is 2 min

so that doesn't line up

[waxen oyster]

double on use isnt really a thing

[summer viper]

thats tough, any thoughts about the trinkets?

[grim jay]

It can be

[balmy condor]

that's snap take antenna

[waxen oyster]

hasnt quite been since sub dust played 2 on rare occasion

[coral ibex]

surely you take antenna here

its so overtuned

[grim jay]

Forge > prism > forge and so on

[grim jay]

For sub its a thing in m+ again now

[fiery basin]

dont have 4 set yet, so ill go Netherprism and sacbrood

[balmy condor]

I don't see anything even remotely close enough to compete with antenna

[summer viper]

Antenna is second Boss tho, right?

[balmy condor]

yes but literally everyone wants it and the rest of your vault is rubbish

[marsh fjord]

before you get atenna is gonna be a while because everyone want it

[hard fractal]

What to do, what to do, seems like signet is as good as Araz's Ritual Forge HC. and im still 0 pcs so shoulder catalyst suck too

[summer viper]

Ill Do raid after work and deciding later i guess, Did we got a spark or a charge that Week?

[willow wren]

ring or ring

[balmy condor]

this week is spark

[waxen oyster]

isnt one of those mythic

[balmy condor]

myth ring obviously

[warm vortex]

God i wish it was cata this week

[summer viper]

Hmmmmm, got only 1 Set piece so far

[balmy condor]

1 set piece with 2 cata charges and a full raid last week?

did your loot council give you nothing

[willow wren]

already picked it

[coral ibex]

isnt ven in a cursed dkp guild

[summer viper]

Pugged

[balmy condor]

doomed

[marsh fjord]

I dont know what to do.

• I already have 4 set
• The ring is nice but is hero track
• The chest has mastery and is my off piece and is myth track
• The boots are also nice because of the reshi wraps. but wont be long before i get them myself in raid
• The sim is also telling me to take the chest.

What do you guys think?

[cloud crypt]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[balmy condor]

sounds like chest then

[marsh fjord]

Yeah it kinda does. what did you get? @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

from my vault?

[marsh fjord]

yeah

[balmy condor]

I took a 707 trinket to crest save 15 gilded on my pacemaker

and then vendored it

[marsh fjord]

lol

[latent tendon]

Is Fatebound always so energy starved?

[balmy condor]

assa as a spec is energy starved, yes

[marsh fjord]

It is more as DS yes. if thats what you wondering

[latent tendon]

My gear is shite because I'm just using whatever hodgepodge gear I get so I understand

[balmy condor]

has nothing to do with gear

[cunning needle]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[marsh fjord]

Your gear doesnt matter at all

[twilit cargo]

hero 4 p or mythic HoA ring with 2p

[marsh fjord]

DS gets energy back from darkest night.

[nimble tartan]

4p bro

[latent tendon]

Got it

[runic basin]

what is that ass vault...wrists are crit mastery with sockel...

[latent tendon]

Also do I have to wait until envenom falls off to use it again? I remember it used to be a thing before in legion

[cunning needle]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
• Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
• Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.

[marsh fjord]

nah just send it

[cunning needle]

!envenom

[left talon]

@balmy condorwhy use free runed craft for wrist and not gilded?

[balmy condor]

because wrists are dogass item slots

that's why we craft them in the first place

[cunning needle]

gilded better to use on big stat pieces

like chest or legs

or trinket or weap

[golden loom]

its also free

[cunning needle]

^

[marsh fjord]

i gotta spend 30 gilded in a few hours. to craft my wrist 🙁

[left talon]

well yeah, its free. but its a spark tho

guess im jsut crafting it anyways tho

thx

[waxen oyster]

thats not even bad

[grim jay]

Idk, I dont feel any difference between either, considering DS has like 2 or 3 apm more than fb

[real granite]

Guys, sim is telling me to go with lily and idol, how am i suppossed to play two 90s use trinkets?

[runic basin]

but i have hera crit/mastery chest..and i wnt to craft wrists thast so dogshiot

[waxen oyster]

its a mythic chest

[hard fractal]

why ass, what whould you like to see?

[grim jay]

Dang and I thought I should be disappointed with araz

[marsh fjord]

sometimes i do, sometimes i dont. just telling the person that DS has more energy in the kit

[left talon]

is it wort crafting 704 wrist when i have 701?

[waxen oyster]

once again people unironically think secondaries matter

[mint urchin]

this implies your vault wasnt shit and you have something else to spend it on 🙁

[real granite]

M+ wise btw

[marsh fjord]

How is it free? you sitll spend 60 gilded for the craft?

[balmy condor]

took a socket last week

[golden loom]

??

[marsh fjord]

??

😄

[cunning needle]

sometimes it is what it is

[golden loom]

you get a free runed crest from dimensius

and craft wrists with that

[cunning needle]

depends also if youre not mythic raiding

if youre not mythic raiding just send on whatever

[runic basin]

the wrists are with sockel and siming higher then the myth track chest because of bad stats etc...

[marsh fjord]

You don't spend gilded?

[golden loom]

no?

[nimble tartan]

i simmed myself and sending my gilded on my wrists were the same as using the free one

so i went with the chad way

[golden loom]

that was the whole convo

[grim jay]

Thats just unlucky, atleast had a set piece there. My first vaults usually are notoriously bad on rogue, only good on any other alt

[waxen oyster]

bro is about to take myth bracers over myth chest

[golden loom]

you have a free runed crest so you send that on the doggy bracers

[waxen oyster]

because "bad stats"

[marsh fjord]

is it becaujse wrist item level matters so little and you just want the second embellishement? @golden loom

[latent tendon]

How do i use netherprism on DS? Macro to Deathmark?

[proper pendant]

When are people dropping the belt

[golden loom]

I mean you have other stuff to put gilded crests into this week

[marsh fjord]

when the sims telling you to

[marsh fjord]

yeah i got you

[proper pendant]

Shiet

[marsh fjord]

Was jus confused a bit bro

[grim jay]

Do you really tho?

[marsh fjord]

thats what i asked

[golden loom]

I do

[nimble tartan]

tap in boys

[golden loom]

but still its the only time of the season the free runed crest is good

[coral ibex]

I KEEP MY WRIST GILDED

NEW PATEK ON MY WRIST

[nimble tartan]

FACTS

[grim jay]

Im actually thinking about skipping the free hero crest and craft on mythic ilvl for my second piece

[nimble tartan]

sim it u gon see its the same 😂

[coral ibex]

my only myth piece this week is gonna be my weapon so i 6/6'd that jawn and sent a gilded craft on my wrist

[balmy condor]

-60 gilded for less stats than an LFR chest is crazy work

stay up mr omr

[nimble tartan]

bro im 707 ilevel im uppp

[golden loom]

wait why wouldnt you just craft a dagger then?

[nimble tartan]

i did all my calculations bro 720 wrists was same dps as 704 wrists and gilded elsewhere

i didnt get bis trinkets so not worth for me

[balmy condor]

I cannot believe that to be true

[prisma mango]

Should I be happy with myth dagger

[nimble tartan]

it was it was

[lilac moon]

guys im confused about aoe rotation of assa in m+ with bleed builds the do i need to spread garrote in every target or just maintain garrote on primary target? and what about rapture

[balmy condor]

of course

[grim jay]

Dang thats a waste. Wrist would be instant hero crest craft

[nimble tartan]

hell naur

[coral ibex]

i crafted a hero dagger bc my guild historically has awful luck with raid weapon drops

[nimble tartan]

bro trustme

im up

[coral ibex]

and i didnt get an m+ drop all week

[hard fractal]

thoughts?

[drifting cloud]

those are items

[hard fractal]

besides feelsbadman

[runic basin]

@balmy condor which item is second best craft after wrists?

[balmy condor]

second best AFTER wrist?

what the hell was the first

[waxen oyster]

hes taking myth wrists

[nimble tartan]

lowkeylyy my next craft after wrists is gnna be ring

[waxen oyster]

over myth chest

[runic basin]

i crafted a dagger first week

[waxen oyster]

because "Bad stats"

[nimble tartan]

cause i cant be arsed with this jastors

[grim jay]

@drifting cloud priory is pretty good for m+ if you wont see m araz or m prism in the foreseeable future.
Dont just call them items

[balmy condor]

yeah so then you craft wrist?

that's the second

[runic basin]

i have myth crit mastery with socket wrists in vault

[balmy condor]

[coral ibex]

you also have myth chest

[waxen oyster]

bro has a myth chest in vault

[coral ibex]

bro

[nimble tartan]

take that bro @runic basin

[hard fractal]

yea but even hero araz 6/6 sims the same

[nimble tartan]

if u get ur chase items too fast

what u gonna chase

[balmy condor]

if you take the wrists I might jump off a bridge

[nimble tartan]

stay hungry

[balmy condor]

idk craft a fucking belt or something

and then be sad that you had to spend 60 gilded

[runic basin]

why?

[nimble tartan]

araz doodoo bro

[balmy condor]

getting a +0.3% upgrade

[coral ibex]

if you take that wrist please post a pic

[balmy condor]

to the disc belt

[golden loom]

I want to craft something but I cant get the fkin spark!!

[balmy condor]

cause that's the slot you craft ya dingus

[grim jay]

Hero araz sims the same as fully upgraded myth priory?

[coral ibex]

bro did NOT choose karesh world quests for worldsoul weekly

[nimble tartan]

yall got 4p or naw

[golden loom]

I took the delve one

now I am awakening the machine...

[runic basin]

i have also myth chest in vault but it sims 20k higher fully upgraded then my hero crit mastey chest...it feels so bad

[grim jay]

Sure

[worn jacinth]

do i just craft 720 wrists if i have nothing else to use gilded crests on this week?

[coral ibex]

i got mine out of delves

[grim jay]

Since thursday

[hard fractal]

kinda, st bit less dungeon slice a bit more

[coral ibex]

when i did the t11 for the bonus 15 gilded

[proper pendant]

Yes whispyr said so earlier

[coral ibex]

that bonus 15 gilded doesn't count towards weekly cap btw

def get it

[balmy condor]

YOU HAVE MYTH CHEST IN VAULT AND YOU WANT TO TAKE A WRIST AND FUCK YOUR CRAFT AINTNOFUCKINGWAY MAN

[proper pendant]

Also baiting you

[balmy condor]

[runic basin]

yoyooyoyoyoy you say TRUST THE SIMS

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[nimble tartan]

dude if the wrists are more dps they are more dps

[grim jay]

For vault its also use your brain

[balmy condor]

y'all are not allowed to get out of bed without supervision anymore

[nimble tartan]

idk why they bullying u bro

[proper pendant]

But like can we trust the person doing the sims

[nimble tartan]

this game is about MIN MAXING DPS

not MEDIUM MAXING

[cunning needle]

no wake up sheeples, dont trust the robots (trust the robots)

[coral ibex]

lmao

minimum maxing

[proper pendant]

Bro no cap if they remove hekili how am I gunna play this game

[cunning needle]

one button rotation

[spiral escarp]

Was it nerfed? This is mythic droptimizer. How come the bis trinket sims -1%. Mine are S2 peacemaker and hero track lily.

[proper pendant]

Might have to be the case

[balmy condor]

y'all are gonna make sure I'm on blood pressure medication before 35

[proper pendant]

Cause like cba keeping track of everything

You know how I play

[coral ibex]

fatebound is a 90s spec and forge is a 2m trinket

its dogass for fatebound

[nimble tartan]

a guy comes up to me with a gucci wristband he says bro this is 1000 dollars and some dude shows up with a GAP 40 dollar jacket which one im gonna pick 😂

[grim jay]

Well there is irony in that, because some may say you will finally START playing the game.

[proper pendant]

My entire UI is literally nothing but hekili

[nimble tartan]

yeah GAP is bis cause winter coming up

sike

[proper pendant]

That’s my WA everything in one little addon

And let me tell you

[earnest remnant]

whispyr fighting the demons on reset days, godbless his soul (if there is anything left)

[proper pendant]

I gap everyone

[runic basin]

i have 4p without that myth chests, thats the problem for me rn i hate it

[waxen oyster]

im covinced alot of players dont read past

"bis"

[drifting cloud]

whats that icon, dont reply in riddles!

[proper pendant]

Using hekili

We up

[nimble tartan]

trust me bro take wrists, craft 720 big agi item on ur offslot

more dps

sim that

truss

[proper pendant]

Another 720 weapon

:/

[balmy condor]

I'm about to start muting y'all if you don't stop trolling

[proper pendant]

Zammms

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/red-card-referee-red-sent-off-dismissed-gif-21029120

[cunning needle]

https://tenor.com/view/max-fosh-uno-reverse-uno-uno-reverse-card-football-gif-15997104819716648222

[coral ibex]

please god just take the myth chest

[grim jay]

I just thought it would be better if you could stop omr from giving advise

[drifting cloud]

are u watching kazeros

[earnest remnant]

nop

[drifting cloud]

smh

[balmy condor]

The War Within (ravenholdt being 50% idiots and 50% trolls)

[cunning needle]

what if we're both

[grim jay]

So are you an Idiot or a troll

[hard fractal]

why it did for me

[balmy condor]

I'm an idiot

[earnest remnant]

dont sell me short, im for sure both

[nimble tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/chud-chudjak-wojak-soyjak-marcvin5-gif-13903021270190271130

[open reef]

good day guys - are there any nefrs this reset to fatebound ?

[latent tendon]

What's the best way to use netherprism as DS in M+? Just macro to Deathmark?

[knotty canopy]

Is netherprism bis for m+ and raid? Or what is the best Option in m+ out of the 3 s Tier trinkets

[coral ibex]

i have 44 gilded crests banked. i've spent 75 on a 6/6 dagger and 60 on a craft. 135+44=179 and this screenshot shows i have 164/180 of the seasonal max

which means i have 15 gilded crests which dont count towards the cap

so either you're mistaken or its bugged

[drifting cloud]

if you did it early in the reset it didnt go over the cap

or somet shit like that

[coral ibex]

nah

my guildies had 105 yesterday

and 90/90 for cap

[golden loom]

I am stuck searching for my spark

[coral ibex]

i waited until today in case that was true

[drifting cloud]

early in the last reset

not this one

[hard fractal]

so there was a way to cheese and i failed?

[coral ibex]

oh you think they fixed it

early last week?

could be

[arctic shale]

this gives +15 runed and gilded that don't count towards the cap

[coral ibex]

yea that's what im saying

[hard fractal]

for every1 of you?? why it did for me wtf

i completed it while not having 90/90

[coral ibex]

i'd double check your cap and how many you've spent

[drifting cloud]

its either bugged or they hotfixed in the middle of the reset

[thick sigil]

Ye my alt has 105/90 main 90/90 🫠
Blizz dont give a shit tho

[drifting cloud]

either way youre probably down 15

[thick sigil]

They hotfixed it

[coral ibex]

ah

unlucky

[nimble tartan]

anyone else done with runed

[thick sigil]

You're supposed to get 15 over cap

With gilded and runed

[coral ibex]

basically, i have 2 slots that aren't 704

[thick sigil]

According to the ticket i made, where the almighty AI told me in shit out of luck

After not getting them on main

[coral ibex]

yea you are just SOL

[thick sigil]

Yep still bugged as fuck and doesnt disappear tho

[coral ibex]

destroy the item

don't need it anymore

[ocean quiver]

No brainer take myth shoulders and catalyst them?

[nimble tartan]

im taking antenna personablly

[thick sigil]

Or antenna 🤔

[ocean quiver]

Antenna just hero tho

And I only have 2pc atm

[nimble tartan]

im takin that thang

[thick sigil]

True, and if you dont have shoulder tier and got charge its a good long term option sure 🤔

[proper pendant]

Omr don’t take chest

It’s bait

[ocean quiver]

I don’t

Just a hero shoulder atm

[nimble tartan]

antenna so competitive

everyone wants it u will be better takin it

[wispy iris]

doesn't heroic antenna sim better than most mythic trinkets

[drifting cloud]

youre just a rogue tho so youre only getting antenna from the vault

[proper pendant]

Bro I’m sick of the no ring gang

[ocean quiver]

Are the orbs not annoying to collect tho?

[proper pendant]

I’m still on 671 ring and 681 crafted

A jastors

Imma end it all

[nimble tartan]

i want to replace my jastors so bad

[proper pendant]

Bruh ik

[velvet ridge]

can someone tell me why we shiv before deathmark on 4pc fatebound, i remb seeing it somewhere on whysper, but i cant seem to find it reading the guide

[proper pendant]

I think I’ll do free ruined crest on bracers

Runed

[thick sigil]

Due to coins

[proper pendant]

And go for heroic rings tomorrow when I get home

Then go m+

[velvet ridge]

ah yeah, ok thx

[thick sigil]

When using DM you throw coins, shiv boosts that dmg

[proper pendant]

Antenna being nerfed soon

[nimble tartan]

anyone got the arcane lure warrant weekly in karesh

i need that rare

[crisp venture]

why do people say free runed craft, am i missing something

we can get a 704 for free?

[nimble tartan]

there is a quest to kill dimensius it gives u a gree 704 but u have to spend the spark

[crisp venture]

oh nice

[proper pendant]

You get the runed crest but you still spend the spark

[crisp venture]

i remember that s1

thanks for info will be doing that

[proper pendant]

Bruh I just want sun rogue from shadowlands back

Sub

[nimble tartan]

i really like fb sin

[distant plinth]

Go private server then

[proper pendant]

Shadowlands classic bro

Tf

Shadowlands was a good expansion literally so good

[nimble tartan]

real

[proper pendant]

People just sick ride that it’s bad when it wasn’t

Dick

And to be honest

They should of brought back Sanger depths not halls or ara kara

Sanguine

[distant plinth]

Guess you never farmed maw of souls and rng lego was sooo good. Difference between r1 and r1000

[sturdy adder]

anyone got any tip for the myth track section? I don't want to just take hero chest atm, it would be a big upgrade but taking the vers/mast neck on myth could be a better investment long term?

[proper pendant]

I played every season of shadowlands

[distant plinth]

Crazy good

[proper pendant]

I know exactly what it was like

And it still was good

[nimble tartan]

do u have 4p

[distant plinth]

The best is DN

[sturdy adder]

yes

[nimble tartan]

707 neck prob

[grim jay]

Id personally take the neck

[worn jacinth]

do you have to finish the campaign to get the quest?

[nimble tartan]

last weeks campaign

not this weeks i havent done this weeks

4/5

[fallen orbit]

What guys do you go of set piece ? Z

[nimble tartan]

all 5 bis

[lucid horizon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dry shoal]

craft 704 wrists with embellishment and keep gilded for gear upgrades or craft 720 offhand?

[sick garnet]

Craft 720 wrist with embellishment imo. You'll probably play it till the end

[obtuse ruin]

any advice? D: been lost for a while, and I only do m+
as of now got 2 catalyst charges so wondering whats harder to farm in the future

[sick garnet]

offhand weapon dps is whatever, higher ilvl only means more stats

[dry shoal]

yeah but idk if its worth to go 720 now

[safe patrol]

thats a really good vault

take lily prob imo

[inland hill]

whys our single target w/ bleed build so ass

[fluid dust]

best spark #2 usage?

[grim jay]

Lily since you cant even get it

Aside from vault

[golden loom]

we are living large in the trinket department today holy

[waxen oyster]

Probably because we do like 10m on aoe with almost no cds

[cinder geode]

and on a big pack with cds you do like 25m lol

[waxen oyster]

[cinder geode]

today was a big day for me in raid i got 4p, the soul hunter boots and netherprism

[grim jay]

Wait, you mean to say a spec cant be insane in aoe and st on the same build?

[proper pendant]

@balmy condor bro look at this rn

[dusky vault]

Am I just in Cursed Stone Idol jail now?

[inland hill]

yh and maybe im ass at st with that build tho i feel below average

[waxen oyster]

very few st bosses

[inland hill]

yea but they feel bad however funnel is huge

hard part is finding a tank who pulls into bosses

[prisma mango]

Would it be reasonable to craft Crit/Mastery neck when I have 8k haste more than I need, even though I could get the neck from floodgate? I'm a bit torn, since I already have champ crit/mastery bracers

[grim jay]

Depending on your trinkets I might just take hands

[prisma mango]

My neck is giving me 6k haste alone

[grim jay]

How would you know if you got 8k haste more than you need?

[prisma mango]

Looking at all the other top Rogues in m+ in comparison

[grim jay]

Yeah thats just not how gearing works.

[dry shoal]

why craft something without primary stat

[grim jay]

You get the stats the robot tells you to, there are a multitude of reasons why other people have different stats

And "needing 8k less haste" isnt one of them

[dusky vault]

Yeah I really want to, pacemaker doesnt seem that far behind it

[grim jay]

Primary stat lost value fam

[grim jay]

Pacemaker doesnt compete with idol

Idol is on the same slot as lily, priory, prism and araz

[balmy condor]

please don't ping me in response to delusional messages

[prisma mango]

So what is your experience? @grim jay Send me your raider.io

[regal linden]

Fixed an issue that allowed Caustic Spatter to directly benefit from effects that provide damage bonus to all Rogue damage abilities.

how big is this fix?

[proper pendant]

You right bro shit was OD my bad

[grim jay]

Gearing isnt about experience and dont embarrass yourself with that raiderio shit in here, we aint about that.

[sick garnet]

[prisma mango]

That's all I needed to know ;)

[grim jay]

What you need to know certainly is something different, your questionable show of character aside

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[waxen oyster]

m+ players ego'ing while not even being in title range

is the funniest shit

[grim jay]

Its insane

Even funnier if they think they are above the basics that are actually undeniable facts

[snow crag]

holy shit what a vault

ring has leech on it and lily has avoidance

[vestal eagle]

only M+, what would you guys take

[runic hinge]

Lily

[vestal eagle]

but 1:30 ;_;

[proper pendant]

Bro of course sacbrood

Make the right choice here

Sac all the way

[halcyon rampart]

Always sim

[grim jay]

Sac sucks

[proper pendant]

Sim

[grim jay]

But with only m+, do you mean you dont even do heroic raid?

As in pugging

[proper pendant]

Not everyone has guilds or wants to pug

[clever sparrow]

i still cant keep up in street

[grim jay]

Thats why im asking 💀

[clever sparrow]

like my dps is shit

[proper pendant]

Lily imo

[vestal eagle]

hero raid i do but i dont mind my output in the raid, thats what i wanted to say 😄

[normal folio]

guys im really not understanding when to shiv, new to the spec, any sort of recipe for it?

[grim jay]

The antenna on heroic is better than m sac, just fyi

[worn jacinth]

should I entertain any of these trinkets or just take the 2k haste myth chest that sims -50k on fatebound with +6 ilvls :I https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bZueJUqvThqTkwUj7hgrB5

[proper pendant]

Take sockets

[cinder geode]

when would you guys replace mythic jastor diamond

[grim jay]

Its +43 tho

With cata

[cinder geode]

i might be fucking up the sim but its simming higher than 710 rings

[grim jay]

When another Ring sims better

[teal snow]

1up

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[long egret]

So Tanks got a trinket like Eye of Kezan? So they want to stay inflight all the time? Awesome…

[worn jacinth]

but at 723 siming vs 701

[grim jay]

The whole point of mythic gear is ilvl and you didnt sim cata without upgrading as far as I can see

[real granite]

guys, how do i play lily, cds wise? do i delay lily 30s every use to sync with dm?

[grim jay]

Lily is for fatebound 4p

So your DM is 1.5min

[real granite]

yeh, it still sims bis in dslice

for me

actually

[grim jay]

In any case your macro it to DM ye

[real granite]

im cursed with double 1:30 trinket

i just want to throw myself to the river

[grim jay]

That looks kinda wild

[wispy iris]

is it worh to send 30 gilded on a hc lily

[left berry]

hero track lily sims more then myth track signet for me 🙁

[real granite]

i will have to play that until i get my seaforium or antenna

[cinder geode]

trinkets are just a lot better than they were last tier

[grim jay]

On fatebound that would be expected

[cinder geode]

signet is super mogged by a lot of trinkets now

[dry shoal]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[grim jay]

I would just spam floodgate to get rid of that cursed setup

[left berry]

my vault was signet, arakara trinket (the bad one) and ticking sack trinket

[buoyant herald]

probably not yet

[wispy iris]

hmm sounds about right

[lavish geyser]

does m+ gameplay change with 4-set in m+? (bleed build)

[jade hemlock]

Got Araz's and Pacemaker - only heroic Araz trinket. I have a netherprism.

[grim jay]

Myth pacemaker?

[jade hemlock]

yeh

Really not sure about this

[buoyant herald]

you don't really want to send gilded on hero track stuff until all your myth stuff is upgraded fully and you can't craft an upgrade

[hearty seal]

non-set myth chest
smh
I kinda hope to get 4p without catalyzing it...

[grim jay]

Why

[grim jay]

Ye its kinda rough with antenna heroic being that strong

Kinda wish they nerfed it a bit more

[harsh violet]

Not sure if it's been said anywhere, but should i lose the s2 4 set to get 2 set for s3?

[jade hemlock]

I could just go a myth track Leg piece and use that

[hearty seal]

don't have a catalyst yet and head/shoulders should be better secondary stat-wise (having no crit suuuuuucks)

[burnt forum]

Any advice from you ?
The sims tell me dungeon slice ( both normal raid trinkets)
Between 80-140k dps increase, but the mythic chest set part is one that is more usefull in the long run.
I do have the 4-set already.

[grim jay]

Im pretty sure you know the stat command

[serene wyvern]

Help me pick smth...the sims are between 22 and 68k but idk if i will ge trink tonight in raid

[lapis anvil]

wait until the raid then

[hearty seal]

still got a whole week and another vault pick to go till 4p anyway

[hoary scroll]

anywhere knows why my shiv/tea macro does not work anymore since today?

[serene wyvern]

is it worth over myth legs?

[grim jay]

Yeah but the top profiles use m chest

Its a mythic big stat slot

Secondaries are a meme

Idk what there is to think about

[hearty seal]

I mean
I still have a myth chest
I just don't wanna catalyze it if I have the option

[grim jay]

Ye but they use the set chest slot anyways

So why not just roll with it

If you have to cata something

[hearty seal]

if I have to, sure

[runic hinge]

Secondaries have been frying brains since legion

This is wild

[hearty seal]

all I'm saying is
playing at 20% crit
drives me insane

FoKing into five targets and getting 1 combo
is demoralizing

[grim jay]

Do sequence macros have //?

Kinda looks like an issue

[hoary scroll]

Thanks

[runic hinge]

Just crit??? It’s easy

[hoary scroll]

typo

thats it

[grim jay]

[silk shore]

Can someone help please to decide. Im pretty confused... Might go for a trinket, but also, taking Mythic track pants could be a good idea? 🙂

[jagged violet]

707 tier legs or 707 crystal? Greedy to pick tier? I have 0 tier but two catalysts ready

[grim jay]

Id guess it depends on your raiding activity

[grim jay]

Which crystal?

The dawnbreaker trinket?

[jagged violet]

dawn crystal trinket 🙂

yeah

[grim jay]

Would probably go with legs if you raid heroic

And pray for antenna

[hollow cedar]

is ritual forge + netherprism better than netherprism + antenna for mythic raid? Does anyone know why RWF play double on use trinket over antenna?

[jagged violet]

ye im mostly m+ and pugging, and already have hero crystal. I kinda feel like going tier and pray for good trinkets in the future

[rain coral]

hey guys anyone knows if mana oil or stones are better now for assa?

[rain coral]

got that lily as well ^^

[gleaming gorge]

Yo guys ngl I’ve been doing solo delves for hours and I can’t beat tier 9 delves with 677 lvl also bran is level 15

I barely managed to beat tier 8 delves alone too

Idk if it’s like a me issue

[rain coral]

Mana oil over stones ?

[balmy condor]

that seems reasonable

delves are hard for rogue

and at that ilvl and bran level

it's going to kick your teeth in

[balmy condor]

yes

[rain coral]

oke

its hard to sim

[hearty seal]

brann too low
ilvl is harsh

[gleaming gorge]

Ahhh I thought

It was a skill issue 😭

Imma just stop trying

What tier bountiful delve should I do since

My brann is low

I got two keys

[hearty seal]

tbh there's no real point going over 8 if you can't do 11

[delicate trench]

this is depressing

[hearty seal]

and doing 8 already awards the best gear from the locked chest and vault

11 is only useful for crests

[noble garden]

no tier 🙁

[humble verge]

i forgot to do a key on my 3rd rogue

[gleaming gorge]

Ahhh okay tysm

Saved me so much time

[humble verge]

single target?

[delicate trench]

yessir 😢

[humble verge]

whats your ilvl, no 2/4p? boss?

just wondering

[delicate trench]

I had no cds on a 11 1st boss streets

[humble verge]

jaha

[delicate trench]

I am 707 4p and its crazy

[humble verge]

idk

without cd start

we kinda lose overall on st boss

id say

[rain coral]

btw. anyone knows where i can set up my hijack WA somehow my Elvui is blocking it

[delicate trench]

should we start going cleave from 12s ? I feel like we should

[peak bobcat]

No

[runic hinge]

Gm Tyler. I’m back on rogue

[limber wind]

halp

[uncut void]

whats the pick here, neck?

[astral gorge]

any idea how long we use the special belt? Is a crafted 720 Belt besser later?

[limber wind]

Lily (hero) over netherprism(champion)? purely for m+

[humble verge]

WE FUCKING SIKED THIS VAULT

HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[buoyant herald]

Nice jerkin boss

[grim jay]

Its not, sec

#tc-research message

There you go

[lavish geyser]

does 4-set change rotation for m+?

[grim jay]

Sim

[uncut void]

is tihs neck rly bis for assa? i thought the mastery/vers one is better

[nimble tartan]

it bia

[grim jay]

Over 710 or something was better iirc, but sim

[grim jay]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[drifting cloud]

uninstall pawn

[uncut void]

yeah ik I just use for leveling gear to know roughly whats better, i usually sim

[humble verge]

holy airball

[grim jay]

Gz fam

[astral gorge]

Help T_T i have Legs and Shoulder Set
I think the Wrist are good because Myth, Good Stats and Avoidance but i need to craft a new Emblishment Item and we cant craft a Back, Shoes or Belt right?

[drifting cloud]

well you can craft a belt but its probably a bad use of crests this early

[red schooner]

Until something sims better. I've heard that maxed out heroic/mythic beats it but... Sim it

[stable apex]

Usually you don't want to pick wrist because that's our crafted slot

And since we get second spark this week you should be able to have 720 weap + 720 wrist for ascendance + writhing armor

[humble verge]

can someone actually explain

why i got antenna without killing loomithar?

it just doesnt make sense in my mind

[stable apex]

It's 2nd boss

Soulbinder is 3rd

[humble verge]

yes

but we went for soulbinder

so they will give you from all 3?

[stable apex]

If you kill soulbinder you have sentinel loomithar and soulbinder loot available

[humble verge]

alright

makes sense

so thats the new thing they did then this season

[grim jay]

Crafting 720 wrist is bad if you got any mythic gear

[stable apex]

Has been the case last season as well

[stable apex]

Well then you craft belt I think

But sentinel has belt with good stats

[astral gorge]

what was writhing armor again? (sry i am german^^)

[humble verge]

yeah but then there was never this happening tho

nobody like, skipped stix for sprocket

[grim jay]

No. You just craft a hero crest wrist since its free and take something else

[stable apex]

The embellishment that buffs nerubian embellishment

[astral gorge]

ahh okay right

[humble verge]

but damn

this day cant be better

i got antenna

[drifting cloud]

they changed it like s2 of dragonflight

[stable apex]

Wdym craft something else

[humble verge]

getting mobo so i can finally build my new computa

[drifting cloud]

its just never really came up

[humble verge]

yeah, i didnt play DF

[grim jay]

TAKE something else. From vault.

[drifting cloud]

because usually its pretty linear and boss order in journal usually reflect actual difficulty