#assassination

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golden loom
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chill 2 combo points on deathmark coin crits

haughty flicker
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lemme see if i can find one

golden loom
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we were yapping about it here yesterday, sec

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@balmy condor

runic hinge
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I've rerolled back to this spec

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it took me 5 whole days

haughty flicker
golden loom
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so fatebound has free combo points for no reason, 8-10% potential tier set bug stuff, truly the coinflip spec

balmy condor
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I found a log

haughty flicker
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i forgot to look for one i got distracted

dense cedar
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This is why Whispyr was talking about crit for FB before, was secretly telling us to abuse this bug

fierce sigil
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hey guys.. would u switch out a 671 Jastor Diamond with a 691 Radiant Necromancers Band? The Vers/Mastery "BiS" Ring

runic hinge
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I'd sim it

elfin flame
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so in like pure ST patchwerk, is it worth refreshing existing bleeds (rupture/garrote) before entering cds even if it means refreshing them before the pandemic window?

and if so - is it the result of which of the following:

  1. we dont want to refresh bleeds while ramping stacks of kb

or 2) the magnitude of our abilities just do more damage with things like shiv, an on-use trinket and pot such that we really only want to press envenom during them.

this question stemmed from this article https://maxroll.gg/wow/class-guides/assassination-rogue-raid-guide#deep-dive-header suggesting its actually good refreshing bleeds pre-pandemic window when entering cds. I do this sometimes in aoe to avoid refreshing rupture during a caustic spatter window, but i hadn't considered it for like raid ST

Maxroll

Assassination Rogue Raid Guide for WoW The War Within, Talents, Rotation, Embellishments, Gear, Races and Stat Priority in Patch 11.2.

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sorr yfor the build up had to cook it a little

balmy condor
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I can check it again

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but that has never been a thing

golden loom
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for the KB stacking atleast it doesnt matter

balmy condor
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also excuse me what

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what the hell is this

haughty flicker
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incredible

balmy condor
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maxroll's done it again, brilliancy

haughty flicker
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potion envenom deathmark into mut kingsbane trinket

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incredibly based

balmy condor
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no shiv

dense cedar
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shiv is for nerds

balmy condor
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unnecessary button

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anyway

haughty flicker
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shiv precisely 2 muts after kingsbane

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no sooner

elfin flame
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ya maxroll made me a little sketchy but they do have purfecto as an author

balmy condor
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I can add that to my list of things to check shindig

haughty flicker
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i think they have perfectos name on ai slop

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but i cant speak for that obviously

elfin flame
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but i know some guides will just put the names of top rogues even if they dont write the guide

balmy condor
elfin flame
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ive had people reach out to me for that

balmy condor
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he is not known for his rational ideas

elfin flame
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oh lol ok w

haughty flicker
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w question though

cunning needle
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smh rotation from maxroll, you should take it from noxxic instead

haughty flicker
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noxxic holy

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what a blast from the past

elfin flame
cunning needle
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its good

elfin flame
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holy underground assa rogue guides

balmy condor
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yeah noxxic was the OG ai slop

cunning needle
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you can trust it

elfin flame
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guys keep them comnig

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we need more

balmy condor
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noxxic was like primetime AI slop during legion

elfin flame
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give me the most underground dark web assa guides NOW

balmy condor
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alongside askmrrobot

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askmrrobot wanted to be simulationcraft 2.0

golden loom
balmy condor
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except they had no theorycrafters

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and their shit was rubbish

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but they both just pumped their pages full of like "BEST MOST OPTIMAL SUPER GIGA"

balmy condor
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and baited a bunch of noobs for like 3 expansions

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until they finally crumbled

haughty flicker
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it me

dense cedar
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we should start up a new one

haughty flicker
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i was the baited noob

dense cedar
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tell epople not to use mutilate or something

balmy condor
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askmrrobot also shot themselves in the foot when they released a whole article about how class discords are toxic and questions don't get answered

marsh fjord
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Man i just went to the maxroll guide

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and holy shit

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thats cursed

cunning needle
balmy condor
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let me find the video

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they took it down

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but infexious covered it I know that

haughty flicker
cunning needle
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infexious gaming here

marsh fjord
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It even says that perfecto made it? LOL

rotund oak
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''reviewed'' by others as well

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lilke what did they review exactly

delicate bone
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ChatGPT

balmy condor
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wait did he delete his channel

delicate bone
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lmao

dense cedar
balmy condor
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bro he's gone

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no

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that's rogue history

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I can never hear him say "CRAT"

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wait I'm actually so sad

dense cedar
haughty flicker
balmy condor
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now shindig probably thinks I'm a fucking schizo

cunning needle
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thinks?

balmy condor
cunning needle
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brother this is common knowledge

rotund oak
elfin flame
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whispyr you're frreaking me out

dense cedar
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Once you start uploading rogue yt content, its only a matter of time before you get shut down

elfin flame
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jk all good maybe part of it was a bait guide but i am still interested to learn whether or not the pre bleed thign is worth

dense cedar
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rogue is not meant to be allowed to be known

elfin flame
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so if ever somethign comes up please let me kno!

balmy condor
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some of the Ask mr robot blogs are hilarious btw

dense cedar
balmy condor
haughty flicker
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based

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i want guides to offer me bad choices

balmy condor
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want guides to offer more choices but when I put 5 m+ builds into my guide they tell me to kms and don't even open the talent page to read the blurbs about the builds

cunning needle
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i don't want more choices

haughty flicker
rotund oak
cunning needle
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i want less choices

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choices are overrated

golden loom
marsh fjord
haughty flicker
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yeah insane tech

red schooner
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Choices require me to think

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I don't want to think

balmy condor
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this is also insane

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because that implies

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that 66% of players

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don't think their rotation is the problem

cunning needle
haughty flicker
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holy

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that goes insane

red schooner
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My issue is that the swirlies call to me uglyassdog

haughty flicker
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what do the other two thirds think is holding them back

balmy condor
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idk

red schooner
haughty flicker
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"fuck i do my rotation perfectly but the rest of my group is so ass"

balmy condor
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do you even know anyone that's answering a survery from askmrrobot?

sullen hearth
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do you need???

balmy condor
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they say they survey'd 2500 players

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where are they finding 2500 players

cunning needle
elfin flame
red schooner
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I never got a survey wtf

golden loom
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I want to find the 10th dentist that recommends using poisoned knife

spice lagoon
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is my caustic suppose to be this high lol?

balmy condor
haughty flicker
balmy condor
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although I guess for this it's not doctors

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it's cooks

drifting cloud
balmy condor
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both hands on the keyboard my goat

marsh fjord
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im kinda done with m+ boys

golden loom
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if you arent moving your camera with the arrow keys what are you doing

dense cedar
marsh fjord
dense cedar
balmy condor
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@elfin flame I'll sell you forbidden bleed refresh knowledge in exchange for a +11 delve carry I can't get a hold of hopeful

marsh fjord
haughty flicker
marsh fjord
drifting cloud
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what if autoattak was just a plant from amr

golden loom
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if my guide writer cant do a tier 11 delve I am going straight to maxroll

drifting cloud
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to destabilize the discord servers

balmy condor
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I mean he had the intellect of a plant

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so that adds up

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is dread pit good today

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where's the delve nerds

golden loom
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is it smashing skardyn on NA aswell?=

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that one is giga free

balmy condor
drifting cloud
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youre a rogue its fungal folly or dread pit every day depending on story

nimble tartan
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im missing one karesh rare guys who got the arcane lure

golden loom
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AH HELL nah

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the gems one is aids

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you have to use poisoned knife

drifting cloud
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its not that bad but you do have to kill atleast 4 mobs in it

grand trail
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Why doing delves tho

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Beside the extra crest

haughty flicker
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it ok

nimble tartan
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i do delves for rep

haughty flicker
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there are worse delves

golden loom
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its the worst dread pit variant by far though

balmy condor
haughty flicker
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yeah but the worst dread pit variant is still like b tier

balmy condor
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I could also do these

haughty flicker
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those are both way worse

elfin flame
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ill log on

golden loom
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where is the 4th delve

balmy condor
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erm

golden loom
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if its underkeep or something then log the fk in

grand trail
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Guys I was blessed, only item I looted last week was mythic belt from first boss, which is dps loss before 2 upgrades

cunning needle
balmy condor
dense cedar
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how much stronger is a DM burst Envenom over a regular one?

elfin flame
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sir yes sir

balmy condor
cunning needle
nimble tartan
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guys i got a 4 parse on soulbinder

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it was a 3 actually

delicate bone
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Dead?

nimble tartan
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my guild doesnt break likle the last few cannisters

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noo

balmy condor
nimble tartan
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we just ignore them and kill the boss lmfao

cunning needle
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i dunno how they are ranked but im sure people on the internet wouldnt make stuff up

balmy condor
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WWWWWWWWWWWWWW

dense cedar
haughty flicker
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hm

balmy condor
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okay now just to find out what these things even are

cunning needle
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probably not

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accurate for hold w's

golden loom
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the icons show the regions!

delicate bone
haughty flicker
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yeah if you dont get the omega pad on second big add spawn its gg

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go parse on mythic instead

balmy condor
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oh sinkhole is bountiful

haughty flicker
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unless you're doing mythic already then just go enxt

balmy condor
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I go do that

cunning needle
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we killed all 3 sets of adds pepeGrin

haughty flicker
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sinkhole pog

dense cedar
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I hate sinkhole

dense cedar
haughty flicker
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sinkhole was already piss easy then they removed the water

cunning needle
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9 minutes 33 seconds

balmy condor
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wait

golden loom
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water removal was the best change of the season

balmy condor
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its not bountiful

nimble tartan
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hell yeah

dense cedar
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the water is gone?

balmy condor
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KMS

haughty flicker
drifting cloud
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you dont need bountiful for the quest

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if thats what you want

golden loom
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yeah both sinkhole and tak-rethan had the water removed

balmy condor
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I just want my 15 crests

marsh fjord
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i wanna see something

cunning needle
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as long as you promise to not look at my opener

dense cedar
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sinkhole is the one with the sharks right?

haughty flicker
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i'll suck your toes

marsh fjord
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Looking

dense cedar
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am i misremembering the delves

haughty flicker
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looking

golden loom
balmy condor
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HUH

cunning needle
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I SAID

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DONT LOOK

haughty flicker
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holy fuck

marsh fjord
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ITS SUB

haughty flicker
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hes a gamer

marsh fjord
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who cares man

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๐Ÿ˜„

bronze pike
balmy condor
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that's a FAT sectec

haughty flicker
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the fucking insta sectec

cunning needle
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I MISCLICKED OKAY

balmy condor
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holy

haughty flicker
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get that shit on cd right away

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dopnt want to miss casts

dense cedar
# golden loom removed

ah, i jsut remember those summoning themselves from across the world to rip me out of stealth at the worst time

balmy condor
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bro for sure shot up on the meters instantly

cunning needle
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MY SECTECH KEYBIND IS V
MY FLAG BIND IS SHIFT V

drifting cloud
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how do you only have 6 deaths in a 9:30 kill

marsh fjord
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@cunning needle nice item level log tho your guild is holding you back bro

cunning needle
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im acutally stupid

drifting cloud
cunning needle
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dont ask me why i have those binds

quiet oar
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Ah yes

golden loom
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Chad on CD user vs virgin wait for all cds to line up

twin plume
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V is for vanish bro

haughty flicker
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v is for vendetta

quiet oar
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The classic Raw Sectech

haughty flicker
cunning needle
red schooner
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I can't speak about binds lest the deadly poison incident happens again

balmy condor
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bro bran is so fucking ugly who coded this AI

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I bet AI could code a better AI

red schooner
earnest remnant
drifting cloud
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hes way worse this season for me atleast

marsh fjord
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Bro brann just tanks my entire dungeon for me man

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like he juset goes where ever the fuck he pleases

drifting cloud
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last season he didnt ninja pull this much

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I swear

red schooner
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Envenom used to be on shift+e for me, big e for big envenom

dense cedar
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my fav brann interaction is when you hit something with Sap, so he decides to shoot it awake again

red schooner
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It makes sense

cunning needle
marsh fjord
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and brann litteraly tanks everything in shit you cant stand in

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this is worse then thorgast

earnest remnant
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i dont judge, im playing assa in raid

marsh fjord
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and you cant change my mind

dense cedar
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torghast felt like it was 50 hours each run

balmy condor
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BRO HE JUST UNSTEALTHED TO MINE TWO PIECES OF RANK ONE BISMUTH

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LOCK IN BROTHER

cunning needle
haughty flicker
dense cedar
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tbh, delves might actually be worse if brann was perfect

drifting cloud
quiet oar
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I wish you could kill Brann for 50% more Health and DMG/Heal Done

marsh fjord
haughty flicker
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tome of sacrifice for brann pls

marsh fjord
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Good for your mental

red schooner
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Nah its worse when you die due to him pulling 4 fucking packs at once AND HE HAS THE GALL TO SAY, 'SURELY YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT'

quiet oar
dense cedar
marsh fjord
dense cedar
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even people who don't do raid or m+ can have a shitty teammate that makes them mad

red schooner
golden loom
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Those webs will summon nerubians, doooont stand in them, WHILE HE HIMSELF STANDS IN BLACKHOLES ON KYVEZA

dense cedar
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being an open world content-only rogue must be the most miserable experience

jolly stirrup
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Guys I need your prayers, I have only one mythic slot in vault, pray for me that its either set piece or smth I can transform, except pants, I have set pants already.

Help a brother out

dense cedar
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you can skip a bunch of stuff

supple spindle
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btw how did yall like ky'veza?

earnest remnant
dense cedar
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but can't solo any of the things that a WW or warlock could

red schooner
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So its fine

cunning needle
haughty flicker
supple spindle
haughty flicker
red schooner
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Good solo boss

cunning needle
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imagine resetting content every time you do your rotation

dense cedar
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i should rly do ??

marsh fjord
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ky'veza was cool but shit rewards

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give me some cool ass transmorg bro

supple spindle
marsh fjord
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or give me a weapon skin who cares for a fucking void toy man

dense cedar
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my rogue already wearing enough purple

supple spindle
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did you see the chinese swimsuit transmog? it's hella goated imo

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especially the hat

quiet oar
cunning needle
red schooner
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One of the delve bosses reset instantly when I used vanish and I hated life

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Because I kept muscle memorying it

dense cedar
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he only feigns like half the time

nova kelp
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vanish doesn't have to reset mobs in the open world

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just hit your next attack in the same gcd

quiet oar
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Its a 50/50

nova kelp
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nah

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I do that shit all the time

quiet oar
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It either works

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or it doesnt

nova kelp
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I havne't had a mob accidentally reset for years

dense cedar
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all things are a 50/50

quiet oar
nova kelp
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slight adjustment to sqw, slight adjustment to play cadence on planned vanish

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100%

red schooner
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It was weird

nova kelp
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oh the ambush thing?

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the ambush thing is different if that's what you mean

red schooner
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Nah he just reset instantly.

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Like, millisecond I hit vanish, boss disappeared

nova kelp
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oh idk

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I don't seem to suffer the vanish thing like peeps talk about often

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maybe it's a shit lag bonus

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the ambush thing in delves is just hyper shit though

faint fulcrum
nova kelp
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he tries to pd when you vanish

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but he's also just a fucking dick

balmy condor
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wait these flickergate mobs are ridiculous

nova kelp
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???\

dense cedar
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do u mean the wastelander guys?

balmy condor
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bro I just got railed

nova kelp
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oh you're in that place

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yeah

balmy condor
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what did they feed these things

nova kelp
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they'll fuck you

red schooner
balmy condor
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what does the flickergate do

earnest remnant
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delve fast yep yep

balmy condor
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can I just skip this

red schooner
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Play sub, hit shadowdance

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Brann is now tank

dense cedar
nova kelp
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bro, you tricks brann and then he spends 12 minutes just jumping backwards either pulling more shit, or unteathering the adds

quiet oar
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Brann as Healer with the Weakaura that shows me the Potion cooldown

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was a gamechanger for me

balmy condor
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I'm outta here

nova kelp
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I think it's time to face facts whispyr

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delves are just too hard for you

dense cedar
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i had a rly fun delve gen the otehr day

balmy condor
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I'm a rogue man I'm not cut out for the delve life

nova kelp
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absolutely fuck that life

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that is a guaranteed skip

dense cedar
balmy condor
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the fact that you can't even sudden demise in delves

dense cedar
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leecher is the final boss of that story

balmy condor
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is so fucked

dense cedar
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had to fight there

lethal swallow
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Sometimes the flickergate turns into a portal you can go in and then just clear that room to finish the delve

wicked kayak
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!WA

prisma monolithBOT
nova kelp
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then sometimes you get to use one of your 36 quartz

wise pilot
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Quick tldr on phone: aoe dot 5 with rup, bout the same with garr, Tempest everything, dont use shiv if darkness is up, envenom alot use shiv right after our big cd+didnt just forget the name or nothing) then after its over or was it when the first shiv is over?

balmy condor
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I had to read that like 7 times and I still don't think I got it

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but you shiv when the first shiv expires

chilly lichen
dense cedar
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im gonna miss fungal folly in midnight

stable sinew
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how i improve

dense cedar
stable sinew
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okay ill write that one down

balmy condor
crisp venture
stable sinew
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prism/pace

hearty seal
crisp venture
balmy condor
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bro posts a 10 mil dps details meter where he gapped the other two guys by a canyon's length

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and just goes

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"how I improve"

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holy hell

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giga chad

stable sinew
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its troll

haughty flicker
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well there are probably better racials

dense cedar
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whispyr ban this guy now

haughty flicker
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but i dont think troll is bad

chilly lichen
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Nerf assa

red schooner
dense cedar
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nelf besto

chilly lichen
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Dont post it on boomie dc oho

hearty seal
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meanwhile I can't go beyond 7m overalls

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smh

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and even that only in flood/priory/some halls

stable sinew
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i mean im pretty geared

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prism/pace, 4 set, crafted weap

hearty seal
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I'm 695 S2 4set...

stable sinew
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and i command my tank like my pet

dense cedar
hearty seal
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not gonna get 4 set until like
the week after the next

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no cata charges and I have no hopes of getting raid drops

dense cedar
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We saw 1 Zenith drop from the raid this week

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was rly sad

hearty seal
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2s is a possibility, just need a hero item to catalyze because I swear I get only neck/rings/gloves/boots

jade hemlock
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Is there any optimisation for the use of shiv with the new tier? I.e in reference to the part that consumes the deathstalker's mark - or do we just use the same

haughty flicker
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we saw 2 pieces of zenith in all of normal and heroic

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was very cool

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i was at least able to snag a pity curio off of dimensius

brisk forge
hearty seal
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one zenith this week, yeah
didn't win either of the two curios

stable sinew
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12

balmy condor
dense cedar
haughty flicker
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a lotta raids can suck my dick

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2 champ track tier pieces smh

dense cedar
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you'd probs rather have mystic or dreadful drop

haughty flicker
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im sadge

dense cedar
hearty seal
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not gonna catalyze a champ item bro

dense cedar
nova kelp
hearty seal
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won't get me 4p anyway so no point...

real granite
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Guys, fast question, ascension vs weapon grip. M+ bleed build. Do i lose st with grip? Do i lose to much overall with ascension? Is it really worth it trying to boost st through ascension and loosing overall? does it really matter at all

haughty flicker
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no sending catalyst on champ track would be psychotic behavior

dense cedar
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getting random heroic gear is fine tho

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m+ drops it

hearty seal
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ye just waiting for a drop

dense cedar
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im betting on myself getting a myth track head piece from vault

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to catalyze

hearty seal
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so it doesn't actually matter as long as you're using those embel slots

real granite
haughty flicker
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Craft a sporecloak

balmy condor
haughty flicker
balmy condor
hearty seal
balmy condor
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embellishments overall

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have 0 impact

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as it stands right they're like on the cusp of not being worth crafting at all

buoyant herald
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priory is simming worse for me in ST than pvp trinket 7 ilvls lower rip (only 2set)

dense cedar
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can toss my diamond inside it and never think again

haughty flicker
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That goes hard

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Are your stats weird or is pvp trinket just giga

buoyant herald
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pvp trinket is kinda giga

balmy condor
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with turbo boost confirmed for this season there's like an actual concern if we even use crafted gear

buoyant herald
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tbh

haughty flicker
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I have to sim it later

buoyant herald
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694 ilvl has 15k+ agi on a 1min

haughty flicker
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Have a champ track lily and that's it

buoyant herald
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and 2k crit

hearty seal
dense cedar
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our tier set looks so hot

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blizz knocked it outta the park with the design

buoyant herald
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i think this one is kinda bland tbh

haughty flicker
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Well idk if I'd go that far

balmy condor
haughty flicker
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Double coup goes hard

dense cedar
buoyant herald
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im already speaking the rogue discord

haughty flicker
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And 90s deathmark is better than just "you do more damage"

haughty flicker
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Deathstalker tier is just normal you do more damage though

red schooner
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I'm liking the 90s thing, its fun.

haughty flicker
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Oh

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I mean

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Yeah it's ok

dense cedar
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fully covered face is very big

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love that stuff

hearty seal
haughty flicker
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It's kinda just aberrus v2 but I like the chest and pants

dense cedar
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tbh i don't think i'm gonna be wearing it tho

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i like my urple tmog i have rn

#

aberrus mad stupid looking tho

haughty flicker
#

Yeah this one kinda is too garf

#

Better than last tier at least

dense cedar
#

do hunters ever get anything that looks good

wise pilot
#

Let me redo- make sure to dot at least 5 targets with rupture and garrote, and make sure to have Tempest on every target. Use envenom as often as you can unless you gotta redot. Use shiv right after big cd and once again shiv is over. Dont use shiv when darkness is active. Correct and easier to understand now? @balmy condor

dense cedar
hearty seal
dense cedar
real granite
swift whale
haughty flicker
#

Are you John maxroll

wide quail
#

what does DM mean?

onyx pond
humble verge
wind anvil
wide quail
#

wowhead guide

onyx pond
humble verge
jade hemlock
#

are the boots with the proc effect bis?

zenith elm
balmy condor
#

so like offhand dagger you probably always embellish at minimum

#

but the actual embellishment you put on there is whatever

#

put focusing lens who cares

ashen orbit
#

I can actively feel

balmy condor
#

all of them do fuckall for damage

ashen orbit
#

Whispyr reaching into my brain

#

and making me less cringe about stats

#

But the second I play the game I look at my 33 % haste and get angry

buoyant herald
#

how though

ashen orbit
#

New character, Ilvl is kind

#

king

buoyant herald
#

and every single piece of gear is haste heavy? unlucky

balmy condor
ashen orbit
buoyant herald
#

go get the pvp one

ashen orbit
#

Yeah, but ill get there

ashen orbit
buoyant herald
#

it's very good early

ashen orbit
#

Gotta google how to get that

buoyant herald
#

join a war crate farm group

#

get 700 conq in like 30 mins

#

profit?

ashen orbit
#

But it's the same with my SP, also only haste, and now haste is not as good anymore

#

You actively improve me as a person

buoyant herald
ashen orbit
#

oh sick

#

I just wanna get rid of my sac brood trinket

buoyant herald
#

yeah i think sacbrood is bait unless you're outlaw and need the haste

#

but yeah the pvp one is very good for its ilvl

nova kelp
#

sacbrood sims quite well for me atm

ashen orbit
#

I will go have fun doing that while at work tomorrow

ashen orbit
buoyant herald
#

i had one at 691 and it was simming worse than my old pacemaker

nova kelp
#

it just depends on your stats

buoyant herald
#

wasn't THAT hard up for crit either

#

but yeah for sure

nova kelp
#

for me it sims a little better than pacemaker

#

maybe I could consider simming it again but changing my weapon enchants again

buoyant herald
#

maybe i should try it again too

runic hinge
#

691 sacbrood is simming better than pacemaker and I got like 22% haste

#

Stats are wack

balmy condor
#

man this guide is rough

nova kelp
#

I mean also build

dense cedar
#

all my stats are pretty equal

#

funny how that worked out

nova kelp
#

like sacbrood is bound to do better in a sim if youre bleed as opposed to fb

buoyant herald
#

yeah sacbrood still in the doldrums

dense cedar
#

only mastery scary ahead

buoyant herald
#

684 pace > 694 sac

pastel ermine
buoyant herald
#

ye

nova kelp
dense cedar
#

scabrood will probably win for M+

#

should check that

old obsidian
balmy condor
#

yes

leaden epoch
#

is assa equal with outlaw with performance?

balmy condor
#

that kind of makes sense

nova kelp
crisp venture
#

alot of dungeons have pulls with target counts of over 5 lol

old obsidian
#

and full crit Fate is insane

#

god

leaden epoch
#

we go deathstalker right

crisp venture
#

in m+ i think..?

nova kelp
crisp venture
#

fb in raid

dense cedar
#

i got a 701 sacbrood that was like a 0.4% gain over 684 pace for FB STm but was like a 1.3% gain for Deathstalker dslice

balmy condor
#

in m+ full deathstalker

dense cedar
#

very funny

balmy condor
#

in raid 80% fb

distant plinth
#

FB op with 43% crit brothers get the crit!

crisp venture
#

sweats

distant plinth
#

had a crazy pull on loominar myth yesterday, coin was my top dmg haha

nova kelp
#

tbh I just wouldn't play OL unless it vastly out paces sin, it' sjust too much effort to do unless it gaps

#

who the fuck wants to sweat that hard

crisp venture
#

tbf for my 4th boss hc kill I had an insane outlaw pumping

nova kelp
#

I'm a gamer, not kenny omega

distant plinth
#

outlaw is for adhd kids

dense cedar
#

outlaw fun

#

the target cap evil

distant plinth
#

im to old for outlaw T_T my wrist hurts after 10min gameplay

earnest remnant
#

outlaw bad
target cap funny
too many jokes you can aim at them

pastel ermine
#

how many target sim should we sim for forgeweaver heroic?

nova kelp
#

it's not my hands, it's my brain
playing OL for more than 4 keys is like
bro, I need to lie down
cognitive overload

nova kelp
#

whispyr hehehehe
how many patchwork targets should I sim for soul hunters?

nova kelp
#

hahahahaa

balmy condor
#

2 target cleave add

winged quail
#

Does anyone know if the fractilus trinket resets stacks when you start a key?

balmy condor
#

they do not

winged quail
#

Ohhhh

nova kelp
#

oh fuck off

#

nooooooooooooooooo

#

we're NOT stacking that shit prior to entering a key

winged quail
#

Imma prestack that shit

nova kelp
#

get

#

absolutely

#

fucked

earnest remnant
#

or my wa is borked af

nova kelp
#

I'm so triggered right now

balmy condor
#

I'm like pretty sure it doesn't cause I just did a key and it didn't

nova kelp
#

I'm going to go tank a key, JUST to test it

earnest remnant
#

mine did yesterday

winged quail
#

Well I know what Iโ€™m trying today

nova kelp
#

Im going to be SO mad

balmy condor
haughty flicker
balmy condor
#

I had a 10 stacker going into the first pack in my flood

#

idk what to tell you

#

maybe the game is working as intended again

#

just like fatebound 4pc

#

and fatebound tails coins giving cp

#

and probably like 35 other things

earnest remnant
nova kelp
#

oh hey yeah

#

the fb 4 p thing

#

should we just like wait

#

or send?

balmy condor
earnest remnant
#

hold kb for 15 is what id do

nova kelp
#

it's so fucking confusing

earnest remnant
#

if it happens

winged quail
#

It always fucks me up

nova kelp
#

I end up having to wait like 30ish seconds to line the next dm up with vanish

winged quail
#

Griefs my planned CDs

dense cedar
#

lucky people complaints pensivewobble

nova kelp
#

idk what to tell you

#

just like

#

get loot

#

also

dense cedar
#

my myth track head is gonna go hard

#

you just wait and see

nova kelp
#

Just tested 18 stacks of prism, started a key, as soon as the key timer finished, stacks gone

winged quail
#

I farmed 28 eco domes for the trinket just for fractilussy to give me a better trinket the next day

#

Suffering from success

nova kelp
#

so maybe you can use it just before the timer runs out?

earnest remnant
#

you wont really get anything from that

#

the duration is too short

nova kelp
#

yeah

#

thank fuck then, no prestacking necessary

#

I'd feel obliged

#

shits so big

earnest remnant
balmy condor
#

whack

earnest remnant
#

as soon as the gate drops it resets

balmy condor
#

oh when the gate drops

nova kelp
#

yar

balmy condor
#

yeah idk then

earnest remnant
#

so in most dungeons, its useless to pre stack

balmy condor
#

I just had load screen

#

and saw 10

#

and went

#

"sick"

nova kelp
#

kinda a pity, coz like
starting floodgate with a 20 stack would be kinda mad

earnest remnant
#

well that would technically be impossible

#

cuz it only goes to 18 Cheesin

nova kelp
#

but those minutes BEFORE a key is like... my coffee making time

#

oh

#

well

#

yeah

#

that's a fair point

earnest remnant
#

xD

#

im just being an ass

narrow siren
#

on 3 targets do u use fan of knives or ambush proc from blindside to generate combo points? (no clear the witness active)

dense cedar
#

Anyone gotten any real Death's Arrival value yet?

nova kelp
#

y'know, sometimes new people ask questions, and I'm like "mannnn I thought I was good at this, now I realise some things I just vibe solve"

prisma monolithBOT
#

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

  • Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
    Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
  • Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
    Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
  • Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

nova kelp
#

like jpc earlier "most people just dont press buttons fast enough"
tips from the high end - press fasterer

haughty flicker
#

i spam the fuck out of buttons

#

rwf soon?

nova kelp
#

same lol

#

it's kinda true though, if you ever wana see wild shit, do an lfr and log it

#

then go through that shit

#

it's NOT what you think

dense cedar
nova kelp
#

most people are PLAYING

#

like

#

PLAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYING

#

just incredibly poorly

dense cedar
#

i mean people in lfr are just there to vaguely afk till the boss dies

nova kelp
#

see

#

that's what I THOUGHT

#

most times it's not true

#

it's just like

haughty flicker
#

lmao was looking to see what you were talking about

nova kelp
#

bm hunters that probably don't have kill command on their bar

haughty flicker
#

this goes hard

nova kelp
#

they just... bash cobra

#

forever

#

but actively

#

with variable cadence

#

like they're ACTUALLY there

#

present

#

playing

#

just badly

#

they're going to do incredibly well as of midnight when we get the ability to log in on mobile and do 1 button rotation

haughty flicker
#

one button gaming is bis

nova kelp
#

I HONED MY SKILL THROUGH YEARS OF PRACTICE
meanwhile the devs:

dense cedar
#

need them to add zbr for me

balmy condor
#

I mean obr is pretty bad though

dense cedar
#

i talk mad shit here but im actually turbo shit

nova kelp
#

it's a good thing for the game overall tbh

dense cedar
#

obr would probably help me

nova kelp
#

accessabiliity is good

haughty flicker
#

bis for leveling alts i dont care enough to learn even the most basic thing about

#

obr through some timewalking while watching netflix

nova kelp
#

I struggle using it, even on alts and such

#

it's like playing bm

dense cedar
#

the reason to play bm is to have cute animals

nova kelp
#

if I wanted to play a game with such little active effort I'd play balatro

dense cedar
#

not actually play the spec

nova kelp
haughty flicker
#

ive said it before but if bm was even slightly more interesting to play i'd main it in a heartbeat

#

ranged with complete freedom of movement

#

and you get cool pets

#

giga

#

instead they did the opposite and made dire beasts passive

#

so even less to do

dense cedar
#

my pet of choice is still just elegon tbh

nova kelp
#

cringe tryhard

dense cedar
#

raid boss pets are funny

nova kelp
#

LOOK AT MAH BOSS PET

dense cedar
#

i thought the tryhard pet was the weird outland crabs

haughty flicker
#

apparently there's a bug right now where you can make certain pets massive

dense cedar
#

ravagers?

nova kelp
#

using a boss for a bm pet is the hunter equivalent of playing titans warrior

haughty flicker
#

full size oondasta running around

nova kelp
#

MMMMMMMMMMMMAH BIG WEPON

#

2 OF EM

grim jay
red schooner
#

I'm kind of liking fatebound, its nice to not think about the mark

dense cedar
#

deja just hates MoP

#

so sad

red schooner
#

Just, chill

wispy iris
#

so how does the double cd on 4pc happen

nova kelp
#

woah woah

#

I love mop

narrow siren
# balmy condor !fok

so if fan of knives with clear the witness is 2+ targets should i replace this fan of knives with another ambush?

wispy iris
#

it kept happening every other heroic dimensius pull for me

dense cedar
#

stop bieng mean to my cloud serpent then buddy

#

he's trying his best to not get stuck behind things

nova kelp
#

different strokes

balmy condor
nova kelp
#

some people like to use flying pets that ignore most of the dumb terrain shit

narrow siren
#

o ok i missed that

#

thx

nova kelp
#

oh that gets tagged, my b

haughty flicker
#

look at this idiot getting automodded

nova kelp
#

apparently

#

I don't get it often

haughty flicker
#

also do flying pets actually path any better

dense cedar
#

the bomb crabs are a fun pet

haughty flicker
#

i figured they were just the same as other pets

nova kelp
#

unfortunately yeah they do

#

slightly

haughty flicker
#

hm

nova kelp
#

they still fly AROUND grooves in the floor

wispy iris
nova kelp
#

but they don't get STUCK as much

timber obsidian
#

Anyone know of any WA that has audio ques for the dots?

nova kelp
#

unsure tbh, ever since I found out that custom sounds are one of the most common reasons you freeze in raid when a mechanic goes off I avoid them as much as possible

lilac kite
#

Most people are playing bleed build w/o kingsbane in m+ yeah?

dense cedar
#

oh another good pet, the zerith mortis wombats

timber obsidian
#

first time trying assa rogue so been struggling keeping track of my garrote/rupture any tips?

balmy condor
#

@elfin flame Fatebound

Deathstalker

as expected, refreshing on pandemic is just equal. Also expected,the more duration you "waste" from forcing a refresh before pandemic, the worse it gets

shrugeg

dense cedar
#

makes sense

nova kelp
#

so just... perfectly time everything so that your pandemic timer hits at the exact same time that you have the exact gcds just prior to hitting cds forehead

icy roost
#

do u target swapp in the opener or do u just send garrote and rupture into prio target and let it spread in carnage?

nova kelp
#

in the end everything is dark souls
play perfectly
make no mistakes
easy

haughty flicker
#

every time i target swap i lose my main target and get fucked

#

because im bad at the game

#

so instead i send into main target

#

gg

dense cedar
prisma monolithBOT
#

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

  • The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
  • You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

dense cedar
#

yipee a message to explain it

#

ty robot

haughty flicker
grim jay
#

Works fine

haughty flicker
#

oh i mean i can find the target again

#

i just cant click the nameplate

nova kelp
#

y'know... IC just kinda reminds me of explaining explosive shot back in mop
every second question was
"do I have to space out my Explosive shots?"
followed by a cacophony of"
"just spam that shit son"

grim jay
nova kelp
#

like intuition gives you "this is complex over think it"
the vets give you "ignore that shit bruh"

buoyant herald
dense cedar
#

i don't hate anything

#

i am very kind

buoyant herald
nova kelp
buoyant herald
#

stone idol lol?

dense cedar
buoyant herald
#

i think i'll throw sacbrood on and take the L

golden loom
#

0,3% for not running double on-use + the stinky idol

#

W

buoyant herald
#

oh i've got belt set to crit

#

womp wah

grim jay
nova kelp
#

leave it on crit

#

it's cringe changing shit constantly

buoyant herald
#

true

#

actually

grim jay
#

Potentially can even be kinder than usual, because to hate you gotta feel deeplygarf

dense cedar
#

my kindness is over

grim jay
nova kelp
dense cedar
lilac kite
#

How does this sound for a very noob opener in aoe (letโ€™s say 8-15 mobs)

Ambush > garrote 2-3 times > rupture > fok/mutilate > rupture (repeat 2-3 times) > tempest up > shiv+ death mark > into fok envenom spam until I need to refresh bleeds then I vanish for the bleeds and repeat

haughty flicker
#

you ruined the fucking streak

#

anywya you wouldnt have to fok between the first two ruptures

#

bone spike op

silver otter
#

yep

grim jay
lilac kite
#

/looks up bonespike

dense cedar
#

biggest tip for new rogue

haughty flicker
#

also use imp gar as generator until everything that will live even remotely long enough is bled

buoyant herald
dense cedar
#

actually read the things your spec uses

haughty flicker
#

or ic runs out

lilac kite
#

Iโ€™ve read a bunch, helps for me to talk it out

nova kelp
#

I get it, I like to double check when learning even if I'm 99%

dense cedar
#

only cowards run Venomous Wounds

haughty flicker
#

always better to ask too many questions than too few

dense cedar
#

that's true

nova kelp
#

cowards run IW you mean

haughty flicker
#

real

nova kelp
#

KICK THAT SHIT

haughty flicker
#

or dont

#

you'll probably live the cast

marsh fjord
#

There is def something weird going on. doing hc salad atm with pug group and my KB is desynced on some pulls by 15 seconds

#

makes no sense

nova kelp
#

or let it go off, and kick the target that doesn't cast
tell everyone your kick was stolen

golden loom
#

well thats the 4p bug

#

with fatebound

marsh fjord
#

im blasting tho

#

XD

nova kelp
#

mate

haughty flicker
#

losing to arcane gg

nova kelp
#

beaten by a thinker

#

washed

haughty flicker
#

go next life is over

marsh fjord
nova kelp
#

gona need to roll frost dk now

#

you just died

haughty flicker
#

pugging salad bar week 1 doesnt sound fun

fathom yarrow
#

Is there any simple guide on how to play this spec i'm so bad at it but i want to improve, where do you direct beginners around here, are there any WA's/plater profiles or addons that really help with multi dotting management

haughty flicker
#

but i wish you lucky friend

fathom yarrow
#

I am a BM hunter player my brain is v small

marsh fjord
haughty flicker
#

its ok assa is melee bm

#

!guide

golden loom
haughty flicker
#

all guides are good, wowhead is best formatted imo

nova kelp
#

to be fair, the 3 hr guide is very well time stamped

nova kelp
#

you can skip to the bit you need

dense cedar
#

wowhead > method guide

nova kelp
#

big win

dense cedar
#

whoever is writing the method one sucks

#

smh

nova kelp
#

lol is the method one similar to the max roll?

fathom yarrow
#

Also how important is multi dotting im on soul hunters but my dmg is actually tank levels of bad

nova kelp
#

"hit kingsbane, dw about shiv, that's for soothe"

dense cedar
nova kelp
#

honestly idc who it says, we all know the author is chatgpt

haughty flicker
#

yeah i mean

crisp venture
#

u want to retain all ruptures if pos

earnest remnant
#

LMFAO

dense cedar
nova kelp
#

the maxroll one

haughty flicker
nova kelp
#

I was talking about

haughty flicker
#

to be fair i have no proof whispyr isnt an advanced ai

inner shard
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
dense cedar
#

!uuf

#

?

earnest remnant
#

we dont do australian here sorry

nova kelp
#

WOAH

red schooner
#

But fimb is right there

nova kelp
#

we'd all do rhea ripley

#

take that jback

grim jay
#

Ye Whispyr does the Method guide and the maxroll is a bad AI rip off garf_sit

dense cedar
earnest remnant
#

i hear the method sub one is written by some dumbass animal

grim jay
earnest remnant
#

not sure tho

haughty flicker
#

written by the most subtle of creatures

red schooner
grim jay
#

One of the worst

cunning needle
#

??????????????

nova kelp
#

don't annoy fimb, he's trying to find someone to put soleah's on

red schooner
#

Stealthi said you're banned. You're free from this place.

cunning needle
#

WHY DOES EVERYONE HAVE HASTE

cunning needle
fathom yarrow
#

Ok but swapping from ranged to melee is impossible because how do you guys actually see anything

nova kelp
#

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIITT

cunning needle
#

though the prisons are of our own making

fathom yarrow
#

Like

#

Wtf is this ๐Ÿ˜ญ

nova kelp
#

you copped a ban?

nova kelp
#

are you one of those EVIL people who ABUSED REP?!?!?! NOT THE COVETED REP!!!!???

fathom yarrow
#

I'm not even facing ther right way 20% of the time

red schooner
#

Dodge swirlies through vibes

grim jay
earnest remnant
grim jay
red schooner
#

Raccoons are trustworthy

cunning needle
#

yeah well lily isnt dropping

marsh fjord
red schooner
#

They're just fuzzy little guys

cunning needle
#

and the only other trinkets i have are 694 ilvl

nova kelp
#

as an australian, honestly raccoons LOOK awesome
I understand they're a fucking menace though