assassination

[swift prism]

Why tho

[balmy condor]

why what tho

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[swift prism]

It makes things feel so much better if you can restealth lol

[runic hinge]

Use your vanish charges

[swift prism]

I do, constantly

[shrewd night]

If Im chainpulling, I not only save time, but youll always have dots rolling

[umbral sigil]

just tab target an rupture

[balmy condor]

sure but you know what's even better? hitting more things with more uptime

[old terrace]

what about first dance 😭

[balmy condor]

[umbral sigil]

though, being able to open from stealth does make me feel pretty

cant be mad at a tank for tanking lol

[placid sparrow]

are we using mana oil in keys now too or is that just raid ?

[swift prism]

Fair point

[umbral sigil]

if youre lucky sometimes shadowmeld lets you restealth

[runic hinge]

I only get mad when he pulls one 5% mob into the new pack three times in a row but rarely does it go down like that

[balmy condor]

yes

[swift prism]

This sends me into a rage. Lmao

[umbral sigil]

i see this quite often

[runic hinge]

I never rage because I’m playing to have fun

[old terrace]

what do you mean rarely? this is like every pull for me

[runic hinge]

I might bitch in discord but I’ll keep trucking

[balmy condor]

play with better tanks

[old terrace]

bruh

[umbral sigil]

if my tanks could read theyd be offended

[runic hinge]

I have two vanish charges and meld. I’ll be alright

[old terrace]

I just resubbed, and my guild is building lmfao

[balmy condor]

okay well

[old terrace]

I've pugged my way up to 1900

[balmy condor]

get your guild a better tank then

[placid sparrow]

woah buddy , save some io for us

[balmy condor]

or join a guild with a better tank

[haughty flicker]

or be a better tank

be the change you wish to see in the world

[balmy condor]

if your tank is just chaining at like 3% left that's not chaining, that's bad tanking

[old terrace]

our tank is good, we just need more. We haven't done any m+ yet because of time differences

plus I'm antisocial

[balmy condor]

okay but you just said it's every pull

so your tank is clearly not good

[red schooner]

Okay, we got 7/8, dimensius is fun although his p1 hitbox can fuck right off

[old terrace]

they are pug tanks

[balmy condor]

ok so you just proved my point

[old terrace]

I also said my guild hasn't done any as a group yet

[balmy condor]

they're not good

[old terrace]

I know they aren't

its a different one each time lmfao

[placid sparrow]

if hes flexing 1900 io i dont trust what he says about his tank either

[old terrace]

I'im just airing

[balmy condor]

this is why you don't pug

[old terrace]

I'm not flexing, and idk why I keep getting dogged on dude

This is my first m+ season

[spice spire]

Yeah too bad I only know the W key king

Fuck them rogues

[haughty flicker]

yes please

[spice spire]

???

[old terrace]

Trying to change that atm

we had a really good pug on dimensius so we made a guild out of it

its the first guild I've been in since 2012

[spice spire]

That’s wholesome actually

[harsh anchor]

Pugging is bis

I am the pug god

[main bridge]

i would unsub if i had to pug full time

[old terrace]

I've played since 04 but only did pvp or legacy mog/mount farms, nothing really competitive, so this is all new to me

[umbral sigil]

why no worky 🙁

[harsh anchor]

I like to flex on little Timmy in pugs when I’m farming the same dungeon over and over

[old terrace]

I want to get max ilvl this season so I can carry people

[harsh anchor]

Jokes on you, you can carry people now at 690.

[mint valve]

why do we macro cold blood and kings bane when this is a thing?

[main bridge]

inevita-bile

[spice spire]

Different /casts?

[haughty flicker]

because you're gonna use cb there anyway

[balmy condor]

to match edge case flip

[spice spire]

One upper and one lower case?

[feral wasp]

I got hero antenna and prism am i gucci?

[haughty flicker]

to effect the next two envenom

[mint valve]

thank you

[copper matrix]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[umbral sigil]

if its capitalization i stg

nah it wasnt

[old terrace]

I want to be the guy that joins heroic manaforge pugs a week before midnight launches and blow the charts up lmfao

[spice spire]

Lmao imagine tho

[old terrace]

have all the timmies looking at their meters like

[hexed root]

!loot

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[old terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/what-monkey-shook-shocked-surprised-gif-8153885586429536809

[placid sparrow]

mine kingsbane then cold blood and it works fine

[half dawn]

do you trust sims or bloodmallet?

[balmy condor]

bloodmallet is sims

[half dawn]

so'leah sims higher than edict

but bloodmallet has edict over so'kleah

[balmy condor]

okay but bloodmallet is using a different character

[main bridge]

bloodmallet is a collection of sims made using gear and/or talents you may not have. so it will always be less relevant than a sim using your character's gear

[balmy condor]

you're simming your character

[hexed root]

for my sims compared to recommended trinks are allllllll over the place

[placid sparrow]

@balmy condor holy jesus spending at 5 points feels amazing XD

[half dawn]

oh yeah true its not spec specific too

i mean build

[clever sparrow]

where to look for guild (EU) i just can find US guilds in recruitment

[hexed root]

also dung slice/patchwerk very very very different prios

[balmy condor]

warcraftlogs/raider.io/recruitment discord

[clever sparrow]

we got a whole new server for recruitment?

[balmy condor]

wdym

does EU not have a recruitment discord

[broken spear]

Hello fellow Assassins, I'm new to the class in Mythic+ and I have a question. When doing trash packs and have finished spreading garrote/ruptures, do I just spend my combo points on tempest even though the bleed from a previous tempest is already rolling? or do I use Envenom until i have to start replying ruptures once they run off?

[placid sparrow]

for me So'leah outsiming pacemaker at same item level and i feel like its wrong but trust the sim ig lol

[balmy condor]

we have this in NA

[buoyant herald]

i never cease to be amazed at people getting surprised by trinket sims

[balmy condor]

crimson tempest is a dot, you maintain the dot

envenom is your main filler for caustic spatter

[inland idol]

Can someone give me the macro for KB + Coldblood?

[normal mist]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[balmy condor]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[old terrace]

is ct worth using in single target?

[balmy condor]

fuck you royal

[inland idol]

ty sir

[normal mist]

😉

[balmy condor]

in a bleed build yes

[placid sparrow]

throw it up before deathmark ?

[balmy condor]

sure

[past bobcat]

To confirm we use nether on pull (lul) then skip 2nd deathmark window then use again with vanish at 3mins for omega burst with fatebound.

[balmy condor]

yes

[past bobcat]

😄

[cursive hatch]

everytime I see people ask about spamming crimson tempest or not, I immediately wonder if they were playing feral before

[scenic nacelle]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling wax:

• Can be pickpocketed from kobolds in e.g. The Ringing Deeps. (needs The Final Candle questline completed.)
• Only use it on one weapon. (does not stack)

[broken spear]

oo, i thought caustic spatter mainly effects Mutilate and not Envenom. Or do you mean the poison vial we throw on the ground when we envenom?

[balmy condor]

caustic spatter works on all nature and plague damage

[shy sorrel]

Does this look fine? 13 Streets

[balmy condor]

the vial on the ground is poison bomb

[buoyant herald]

that looks absolutely normal

[balmy condor]

looks normal but where the hell are you getting all that aoe from in a streets

[buoyant herald]

maybe singular focus too low? but im just trying to find something

[broken spear]

oh! Thank you very much Whispyr ♥

[balmy condor]

np

[shy sorrel]

No clue lol, big pulls and a lot of mobs with boss

[balmy condor]

makes sense

[ancient pasture]

On pull, how many targets do I want to rupture? I feel like using the entire carnage to rupture leaves most targets dead before I can ramp

[balmy condor]

minimum 5

maximum like 8-9

[shy sorrel]

But glad to know the details look fine so I know i'm doing something right

[ancient pasture]

So 4 ruptures?

[old terrace]

7 mask vision bleed build is so satisfying rn, sudden demise just melts everything

[inland idol]

@balmy condor How many minutes and how many bosses do you put in to simulate the assa? (Dungeon escenario) Sorry, English isn't my main language.

[balmy condor]

how did you get 4 from "min 5 max 8-9"

[analog field]

Usually you do sth like gar gar rup rup gar CT (maybe one more rup here before ct) then go into cd's

[ancient pasture]

Each hits 3 target right?

[red schooner]

4 rupture casts with carnage?

[balmy condor]

yeah but like

2 casts is 5-6 if you mouseover

[analog field]

4 casts is 9 to his defence xd

[balmy condor]

dungeonslice

[placid sparrow]

prob from a route siimilar to this , 11 not being an actual pull obviously

[inland idol]

So, is 1.5 min and 8 bosses right, thans for answer

[ancient pasture]

I definitely have a tendency to throw like 5-6 rups before ramping

[balmy condor]

no

no no

no no

no nono nono no

[mint valve]

bleed build seems to not like crit so much? my sim keeps saying to get rid of crit when im bleed build

[shy sorrel]

Dont you just use the setting called "Dungeon slice"

[balmy condor]

haste gains value in a bleed build

[inland idol]

Thanks b ro

Bro

U are the best

[shy sorrel]

Dw bout it brotha

[inland idol]

Big fellas rogue friends

[mint valve]

yeah i just cry when i fan of knives and get 1 combo point though LOL

[balmy condor]

cope

[keen spruce]

i been gone for 2 hours

[red schooner]

Rookie numbers

[inland idol]

xDddd

[red schooner]

We can yap more. Yap harder.

[keen spruce]

dont' yall have jobs

[broken quest]

the meta effect lol

[placid sparrow]

pro yappers

[raw marlin]

anyone got settings/commands they can give me to stop this fucking input delay/lag randomly, i know there was some floating around in SL!

[red schooner]

Yeah in the daytime. Its evening time now.

[keen spruce]

i forgot we let EU in here

[zenith tree]

Do we think I get tier this week from vault and not 2x ring and a belt? :)

[red schooner]

Games gonna bug and you'll get a cloak

[broken quest]

2 x belt and a cloak fs fs

[zenith tree]

You guys are prob right ngl

[red schooner]

At least NA are beta testing tomorrow and they can get the vault cloak drops out of the way for us

[hollow fulcrum]

i hope to god i get tier from vault

if i dont im crashing out

[broken quest]

I do vault on like 10 chars and pick a main after how lucky my first vault is

[humble verge]

@balmy condor

[broken quest]

is goated

[humble verge]

booster mentality

[red schooner]

I can barely muster up the willpower to fill out vault on one character

Jesus

[keen spruce]

Harvester's edict, Mana Sprite, and soulbreaker's

[red schooner]

I still need to do 3 10s

[broken quest]

oh most of them are 1 10 and done

[zenith tree]

If I get harvester's edict 2 weeks in a row I'm gonna jump

[broken quest]

huuuuuuuuuuuuh

[keen spruce]

always 3x 10s until fully myth tracked

[somber basin]

When using Culminating blasphemite, do we want to use one gem of every color? Sims are saying to just stack Masterful Rubies

[zenith tree]

sim don't lie

[keen spruce]

every slot you leave unfilled has a netherprism or a daggie

[vague dragon]

mana oil or ironclaw i ues ?

[broken quest]

cba first week, spend a lot of it just trying shit out bc cba with PTR

[humble verge]

they do like 10 chars to vault and then to boost for gold and ALLEGEDLY rmt it

[broken quest]

• there's every eventuality that I get bullied into tanking again this season

[keen spruce]

that's why u don't play alts

[humble verge]

@zenith elm

[spice spire]

Just don’t

[spice spire]

Me to u

[weak plover]

Thats weird. I didn't know rogue had a tank spec

[raw marlin]

!drp[

!drop

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[broken quest]

Im a tank main tbh, I only play rogue when bear is good haha

[raw marlin]

do 9s drop mythic or is it only 10s?

[broken quest]

and bear has not been good in....

[spice spire]

I’m a warrior enjoyer 🥀

[humble verge]

10s

[raw marlin]

in weekly vault

ok

[placid sparrow]

we rupture adds to get energy refunds in raid or is that not worth ?

[humble verge]

hc from 7 and up

[humble verge]

worth on adds that dont last that long

i ruptured on dimensius hc

[placid sparrow]

worth trying to keep rupture and garrote on all 3 bosses on soul hunters ?

[humble verge]

yws

yes

[raw marlin]

we did frac tonight and my opener/burst was high as fuck and then id slowly drop off a cliff, so clearly i have no idea what im doing in raid encounters anymore

[humble verge]

u wanna play bleed talents on soul hunters

no joke

[raw marlin]

compared to other rogue*

[humble verge]

spamming mut

does he have 4p and u dont?

[placid sparrow]

i pugged it and we like 3 shot it , but 1st pull i look at the other rogue gapping me and i was like "wait a second" swapped int m+ XD

[raw marlin]

no he 2p but he has about 4ilvls on me and ara trinket but I literally open way higher than him on 99% of pulls but then he just slowly dwarfs me

[humble verge]

lmao

honestly

all r1 logs

ive ever had

were wipes

@spice spire

[humble verge]

idk man

post ur logs

[raw marlin]

im just going to pay @balmy condor or @spice spire into sitting with me and teaching me why im shit lol

[humble verge]

post logs

[crisp venture]

I have a c tier trinking simming better than an A tier trinket, is it bait or do i just follow the sim

[raw marlin]

i did, even @spice spire said its now fine lol

[humble verge]

[spice spire]

I’m sure there’s more to look at

[humble verge]

ok, imma finisjh my walk

[spice spire]

But I’m at work

[crisp venture]

incorporeal essence gorger > unyielding netherprism..?

[exotic pulsar]

Yeah you're definitely low on large pulls, you are probably spending too much time on rupturing or something, maybe letting caustic spatter drop.

On the 5 pack of dummies outside of dorn I can get about 15 million dps over like 40 seconds or so only using one vanish charge. Im not giga geared or anything since I took last tier off. 693ilvl with a 704 mainhand weapon. I do have 4p though. Spatter is my highest damage by far on them.

[raw marlin]

oh sure but its still super frustrating lol

[shrewd night]

[red schooner]

Listen I've got tomorrow to finish it, its fine!

[shrewd night]

Ill forgive you

If you free dobby from prison

[red schooner]

Horrifying

[shrewd night]

Just have to do streets after

[red schooner]

I've done a single eco-dome, thats enough, right?

Riiiight?

[shrewd night]

Did you get trinket?

[red schooner]

...no

[shrewd night]

Back to the mines you go

[crisp venture]

guys why is a c tier trinket simming better than an a tier one in ds and st....

[red schooner]

I barely entered the mines to begin with

[keen spruce]

@raw marlin

you didn't use spatter on Nexus-king

a good way to self diagnose

is to just go find a top log

from someone that has roughly the same ilvl

and trinkets

then compare casts and damage breakdown

then look at cast timeline to see if you're doing something super different

[crisp venture]

ok bro no one will answer me ill go die

[keen spruce]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. On top of this, all stats being good on Assassination means there are currently over 500 "BiS" combinations that are within margin of error. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS from world content is especially not helpful, and we do not maintain any lists of these types. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character.

[keen spruce]

what is your other trinket?

[crisp venture]

yea so the short answer is, no matter where it falls in a tier list, if it loses out in ds and st then its not good

[humble verge]

noob purple role

[bronze heath]

Any of you top player have time for a log review?

[humble verge]

yes

[crisp venture]

incorp essence gorger

[humble verge]

im home

[crisp venture]

its a delve one

it beats the fract trink in st and m+

[keen spruce]

no i mean you're choosing between essence gorger and netherprism

[crisp venture]

antenna

[cursive hatch]

I got multiple lilies now, but can't get the pacemaker to drop

[keen spruce]

are they the same ilvl?

[crisp venture]

701 gorger, 697 fract 697 incorp

[viscid spear]

I can see that

[crisp venture]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/abRKon7LGk19to9K9CdnUB

i thought that shit was good asf and then simmed n was like Oh

[keen spruce]

i mean probably just an ilvl diff

[crisp venture]

4 ilvl

[keen spruce]

that's like <1% difference

[drifting cloud]

isnt this just a pw sim with m+ talents

[keen spruce]

oh yeah

[crisp venture]

yea but even ds it loses

[keen spruce]

you're also simming ST

with m+ talents

that's not that useful

all that tells you is that on a ST boss while in a dungeon this setup is a tiny bit better

[bronze heath]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pVrBnMzxc6YGahQ7?fight=last&type=damage-done

[keen spruce]

try it with dungeon slice and see if it's any different

[viscid spear]

You should change the locks on your door

[crisp venture]

i did

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iwRuTQR5R6rNdddoDUAXo7

[humble verge]

test

[crisp venture]

fract still gets gapped

that delve trinket is good

[humble verge]

why cant i make it a thread

wtf

[bright lava]

Heyo, what mod on delve belt is the best to use? For m+ mostly

[shrewd night]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[raw marlin]

yh i know.. 😭

[raw marlin]

i foound a top log and copied his build and he didnt use it no idea why but fuck me

didnt even notice

[keen spruce]

that's why tier lists are bad

they're just general guidelines to appease the pitchforked masses

that don't want to sim

you're in like a random mix of champion and hero track gear

with a jumble of stats

[normal mist]

either crit or mastery procs

[keen spruce]

I don't have the secrect sauce but I didn't see anything catastrophic in the logs

but if it's a spatter fight and you're not using spatter you're always gonna get gapped

[keen spruce]

above my paygrade

prog fights hard to parse when you're only competing against 55 other people

@midnight mist @spice surge @final star you guys are all on that leaderboard can you help drifter

[sand mauve]

Hey, im Playing atm but my single target dmg isnt that good i hoped.... i think i play the rotation most of the time good... is rogue weak in ST against other classes or have i search for the reason? I got 2 Piece atm

[keen spruce]

in keys yes

[normal mist]

M+?

normal

[midnight mist]

what

idk bro

assa is so easy

[bronze heath]

It's full single target

[midnight mist]

i just press buttons

[safe bloom]

i jsut switched to Rogue this tier and I am struggling a bit in terms of my DPS in raid. We just downed Araz on HC and I tried to replicate this rogues logs
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ncmMXh1ZvHRVQ6r7?fight=46&type=damage-done&source=481

I can see from the logs that he is pretty much using Deathmark and Kingsbane on CD, never holding it except once, however when we were progging the boss if I followed this format I never had Deathmark up for the burn phase of the boss, it was usually 10-20 seconds out, or I sat on it for an entire add phase (which I ultimately ended up doing after 2x sub 3% wipes) which got the boss down, but my parse was horrific because I sat on DM+KB for like 1min 30 each time to ensure I had it for the burn phase.

Is it just a skill issue with the entire raids DPS not being strong enough for me to send it on CD whether there is a burn phase or not?

[sand mauve]

hmpf i`ve overall in a +10 about 5-6mio dps but in ST the most time 2mio maybe 2,5mio but not more will it be better with 4p?

[keen spruce]

yea but i don't play this game anymore so i can only give general tips to new people

[sand sigil]

not pressing ur buttons enough + down a real augment rune

[midnight mist]

augment rune

[keen spruce]

i mean a little bit but assas ST is just bad in m+ talents

[sand sigil]

top log has 50 more spell casts through the first 6 minutes of the fight

[warm vortex]

Just tried my first 12

[sand sigil]

of course some of those are piss meaningless casts

[warm vortex]

and just remembered why i never wanna play BM on dawnbreaker

[sand sigil]

but u know what i mean

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-clenches-fist-of-rage-rat-clench-fist-rage-gif-20880451

[bronze heath]

Often im jsut waiting not to trigger tea it's horrible

[sand sigil]

119 mutilates vs 97

85 vs 69 envenoms

and so on

[safe bloom]

Wish they would make it a choice node to auto trigger tbh, biggest learning curve

[rose inlet]

are y'all deathmarking both platform adds on heroic dimen or holding for burn

[keen spruce]

why not trigger tew

tea

[bronze heath]

Thanks james

[keen spruce]

trigger tea good

free energy

[safe bloom]

So you have Mastery buff for DM+KB or just KB

[shrewd night]

[keen spruce]

shiv and tea same cd

[warm vortex]

Macro tea to shiv

forget about it

[keen spruce]

so shiv gets tea

[warm vortex]

That's how you use tea

Just macro it to shiv, and forget it exists

[bronze heath]

Idk on ass i feel like im jsut holding when on sub/outlaw you can jsut send on gcd

I'l ltry to spam

[warm vortex]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[warm vortex]

Assa is slow :D

[keen spruce]

just hit buttons

[humble verge]

he eated the rat

[sand sigil]

ya i mean i honestly dont know anything and havent raided so i might be completely wrong

but almost always when looking at logs that ppl dont pink parse its just cuz they dont press the buttons fast enough

sin is a bit unique in that regard but i have no clue

[bronze heath]

That's true but usally im 90 95+

[sand sigil]

yeah i mean sometimes its fucked on early mythic w assignments too like

because theres only 20 parses and u got some shit assignment and then u get unlucky and get a mechanic at a bad time

boom gg

but in general thats more cope

than anything else

but it is possible

[warm vortex]

IP. 95.142.211.23

N: 23.7665

W: 12.4241 SS Number: 697613519184162

[red zealot]

There anyone that could look over a log with me, just got back into raiding and want to see how badly I am effing up

[bronze heath]

I'll jsut try to send it, i mgiht be palying too much on inigame not to trigger tea

[warm vortex]

Cba to fill out the rest

I need to sleep soon and my brain is rotten

[spice spire]

Gn king

[keen spruce]

but why are you trying to not trigger tea

that's not a thing

[bronze heath]

need it on shiv during kingsbane

[warm vortex]

Not sleeping just yet, but imma snooze in only a few moments

[bronze heath]

if possible

[warm vortex]

I mean

[keen spruce]

but shiv and tea

[runic hinge]

you dont tho, its not a gain

[keen spruce]

are the same CD

[warm vortex]

It lines up doesn't it?

[keen spruce]

so tea comes back

[runic hinge]

kb and tea

[keen spruce]

when shiv comes back

[warm vortex]

If you use shiv and tea on every cooldown

You'll always have it for KB

so again

[keen spruce]

KB and tea w/e

same same

[warm vortex]

Macro it to shiv and forget about it

Listen to the duck and the rat

[keen spruce]

i'm not a geologist

[warm vortex]

I'm a shivologist

[wet apex]

I don't get it

Stuffs just way over my head LOL

[bronze heath]

thanks everyone

[raw marlin]

dw there are lots of things, i also realised (never knew it was such a big deal) I dont have s2 tier set for 2+2 and i dont have a 2nd embellishment due to not paying last season etc

my sims are 1million DPS below the lowest in my raid

[keen spruce]

oh yeah our t ier is big

[warm vortex]

I have my two knives and i know how to use them

[hexed root]

!loot

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[warm vortex]

And that's all that matters

[runic hinge]

no bm this tier

?

[warm vortex]

I'm playing in 2 raid groups on both BM and Assa

At least until i find out what days im going to uni

Then i can focus on one in particular

[humble verge]

actually thats wrong, my ip is 127.0.0.1

[warm vortex]

Darn

[keen spruce]

my ip

https://tenor.com/view/tyson-ip-man-fight-gif-16176355

[warm vortex]

Also

Genuinly

I just remembered the game

And now, as a result

I have lost it

[keen spruce]

mythic nexus-king looks wild

https://tenor.com/view/shooting-lasers-star-trek-lower-decks-being-attacked-firing-lasers-paramount-plus-gif-21800933

[safe bloom]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/y8RTmNFXQ4LkKprJ?fight=38&type=damage-done&source=61&translate=true

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ncmMXh1ZvHRVQ6r7?fight=46&type=damage-done&source=481

If I compare my logs here it seems like I am fundametally just playing wrong, I have like double the Mutilate casts, 12 more rupture casts and 10 or so more Garrote casts, but my Caustic Spatter is so much lower. Should I be valuing multi dotting a lot lower and just relying on Spatter to deal splash damage by funnelling my combo points into Envenom instead of spending them on Rupture?

[warm vortex]

Isan't there a log review channel

[iron sinew]

How much overall dps u guys hitting on say… +8 flood or so?

[warm vortex]

Just saying you might get more luck there

And also,

Dps is very group dependant

[keen spruce]

no channel

[minor dagger]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[warm vortex]

So there isn't a way to get an "avarage"

Oh really?

[keen spruce]

someone has to make a thread

[warm vortex]

That stink

I've been spending too much time in trueshot

[humble verge]

@haughty flicker @zenith elm @thorn thorn @spice spire @maiden sierra

[warm vortex]

I'm taking it

Even though you didn;t offer me i

[leaden epoch]

What do we craft first

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-gif-489706024751614926

[humble verge]

ure not in the cult

[warm vortex]

I'm eating it anyway

[normal mist]

dagger

[warm vortex]

You ate one of my rats, so It's fair game now

[leaden epoch]

And next week

[normal mist]

bracers

[warm vortex]

Proably wrists

Just like it says on the wowhead guide

But if you get like

mythic wrists as your only option

Hands ig

[keen spruce]

this don't look right

[leaden epoch]

Ascendance on dagger ?

[normal mist]

yes

[leaden epoch]

We are meta class right

[normal mist]

unfortunately

[leaden epoch]

What

[normal mist]

What

[keen spruce]

this is almost never right

[leaden epoch]

We are right

[warm vortex]

Royal rn

Yes we are

But that means fotm

[maiden sierra]

🙏

[leaden epoch]

In aoe I mutilate always ? For causic splitter or how It works

[safe bloom]

Yeah terrible opener

[normal mist]

Nothing like debating with fotm people that understand nothing but youtube shorts and tiktoks from streamers

[normal mist]

no

just every 10 seconds

[warm vortex]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[warm vortex]

Take a read through the wowhead guide rota

[keen spruce]

i jsut don't know the fight that well, but the breakdown does look a little wild

[random wind]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[random wind]

!addons

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[warm vortex]

!vibe

!vibes

[random wind]

rea;

l

[normal mist]

!checked

[warm vortex]

moroes youi are fucking useles

[safe bloom]

I was looking at the logs wrong inbetween pulls and I saw from the logs I linked he used Ambush early, then I realised it was obviously a proc not a vanish Ambush

[humble verge]

people watching kiras shorts

[keen spruce]

oh ye the blindside procs can make logs look a little goofy

i mean that many mutilates normally just means your combo point efficiency is rly bad and you're probably wasting a bunch

just make sure you're focusing on finishing at 5+ unless you have DN

[normal mist]

YOU GIVE THE MOST LOGIC AND REASONABLE EXPLANATION TO PROBLEM/SITUATION A;
THE FOTM PLAYER:

• But that streamer add something here

[warm vortex]

Those shorts make me question reality

Not the shorts themselves, but the comments

[wicked carbon]

Isn't cast per minute heavily influenced by your haste though ? Always thought it was a bad metric

[normal mist]

Those can be even more wild

[warm vortex]

Like holy fuck
why are everyone in there just the most miserable people ever

[keen spruce]

it's like playing chess with a pigeon. it'll knock over all of the pieces and shit all over the board then strut around like it won

[normal mist]

no...

[keen spruce]

rogue is GCD locked

[safe bloom]

I think some of the times I have overcapped my combo points is to finish on 7 to reproc deathstalkers mark

[warm vortex]

Like blizzard could somehow feed every single human on earth and they would still find a way to complain

Like how blizzard is now making cooking jobs useless

[safe bloom]

Do we purposefully force 7 to reproc it, or do we just wait for it to nautrally finish on 7

[wicked carbon]

Aight didn't know that

[normal mist]

7 to consume DN

force it

[keen spruce]

yeah that's DN

but all other times

5+

[normal mist]

Using mutilate on 5 CPS is wasting CPS

[warm vortex]

Do you guys think the mages at dalaran shit in portals

[final star]

lost a KB cast somewhere cos delaying too much but his kingsbane do piss damage for some reason losing him at least 100M damage

[warm vortex]

Or

past tense

rather

[warm vortex]

does KB get parried anymore

[final star]

no

[warm vortex]

Or did they remove that

Thank fuck

[safe bloom]

double fan of knives even on ST to get 7 for darkest night, or just spend on Envenom and rebuild hoping to land on 7?

[final star]

his things don't do damage

[normal mist]

you FORCE DN with mutilate

[warm vortex]

Also
If you only need 1 cp more you press FoK right
So if your at 6 on st you press fok (with DN?)

Or am i high

[normal mist]

mutilate

[keen spruce]

normal builder prio

[normal mist]

or garrote if you're in pandemic

[warm vortex]

Ah ok

I'm stupid

[normal mist]

No you're curious

so you got answers

[brave stump]

naaw

[keen spruce]

they can be both

[keen spruce]

don't typecast them

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-rat-gif-12738335438094428487

[keen spruce]

[humble verge]

have u done full 10 yet

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/thirsty-drink-lick-hamster-rat-gif-11250523

[safe bloom]

I actually am stupid, so 5 is wasted, but 6 you Muti? Or is it only wasted if you Muti on 5 without DN?

[keen spruce]

if DN, force 7 don't worry about waste

if no DN, only 5+

[viscid spear]

Working on 7s, only 1600 something

[keen spruce]

so if no DN

don't mutilate on 5

if DN, mutilate on 5 and 6

[wicked carbon]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-attack-rat-attack-have-at-thee-gif-11648161592664583090

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-dumb-gif-27108629

[warm vortex]

What happens whenever i group with a feral

Fuck those guys

:(

[keen spruce]

get bapped bozo

[warm vortex]

They need to leave the rat pack alone

[normal mist]

Lets make it even clearer:

• If you have 5 combo points, dont press mutilate again, and use a finisher;
• If you have Darkest Night proc mutilate until you get 7, then envenom;
• Why do we stop casting mutilate when we reach 5 combo points (without DN proc)? because if you crit a mutilate, you effectively gain "3/4cp", wasting anything that goes above your 7cp

@safe bloom

[warm vortex]

God royal

You are just the best :D

[keen spruce]

gain "3 or 4 cp"

[nova kelp]

oh man, catching up on the chat gave me cancer

[warm vortex]

What happened foot guy

[safe bloom]

If you are playing Deathbringer in raid without Indiscriminate Carnage and Scent of Blood, do you still prio getting your Rupture+Envenom on any available adds (Besides sniping Ruptures for Energy regen) or is it better to just pump Envenoms into the primary to the Spatter damage?

[normal mist]

thanks for noticing that!

[keen spruce]

goofy ah ability

half crit seal fate

[viscid spear]

You group with Ferals?

[keen spruce]

cUz TwO dAgGeRs

[nova kelp]

ferals crank atm

[warm vortex]

I don't

for that exact reasonh

I don't want bappage to my bois

[balmy condor]

basically only spatter

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/very-nice-very-good-thumbs-up-awesome-great-gif-10644496589014999364

[balmy condor]

without scent of blood, rupture only exists for energy

[desert spire]

On dimensius heroic are we burning vanish once we get to the boss or waiting for the coin flip?

[warm vortex]

ham

[granite tusk]

Spatter nerf is hitting hard tbh

[safe bloom]

Okay so I wasted a ton of damage on Araz trying to dot all the adds and Echos

[warm vortex]

No it isnt

[haughty flicker]

17% nerf to spatter has indeed decreased spatter damage by 17%

assa still very good though

[granite tusk]

same, i fucked up on Araz trying to rupture adds, just 1 rup then funnel boss

[safe bloom]

Tbh the entire raid and Normal clear I just played completely wrong and thought more dots = more damage

[balmy condor]

no way

caustic spatter does 20% more than intended

[keen spruce]

easy mistake to make. Assas is kind of sold as a dot class

[balmy condor]

then it doesn't do 20% more than intended

[granite tusk]

That guy average hit is almost 300k on spatter, my spatter now after the nerf is doing 150k avg

[balmy condor]

and now it's 20% less

[keen spruce]

but really it's a shiv and envenom class

[haughty flicker]

yeah i mean it didnt get nerfed by 50% so theres other factors going on there

[keen spruce]

that has a minimum requirement of dots

[haughty flicker]

[safe bloom]

I guess its all a learning curve, especially since I farmed tf out of M+ where it literally is a dot class

[keen spruce]

yeah different loop for sure

[haughty flicker]

bleed build is as close as we will get to our roots again

embrace the bleed

[granite tusk]

he did more hits cuz Nexus Prince's intermission adds lasted long but the difference is just the double on dmg (im not meaning a 50%nerf)

[upper spear]

i lub bleed

(sim it) you guys think it makes mroe sense to craft off hand or wrists first?

[hollow fulcrum]

why not craft main hand

[winged sun]

Weapon

[haughty flicker]

offhand garbo

but craft mainhand

[winged sun]

U guys are omega cooked today

Wtf

[haughty flicker]

why would you craft offhand

[upper spear]

just going off BIS lsit, seems like we want main hand somewhere else

[winged sun]

Spatter -50% and someguy crafting an offhand

What the helly

[haughty flicker]

we gaming today

[quaint dragon]

wat u mean -50%?

[normal mist]

I crafted my 720 dagger asap

no questions asked

[winged sun]

If u dont know the context dont ask

[haughty flicker]

mainhand dagger yeah craft giga value

[sand sigil]

random q (plz specify if ur answer is a vibes answer or an apl answer)

ur in the middle of a pull and u just got dn. u have 5 combopoints. the mob u wanna put ur mark onto has no rupture, but has garrote ct. do u built to 7 and envenom without spatter to put the mark up, then go put up a rupture, then spatter? or do u rupture at 5, spatter insta, then build to 7 and put the mark on it? does the answer change if there's no ct either (essence of the question is what is highest prio in the middle of an aoe pull 45 seconds in, re marking, re bleeding/causticing)

[zinc frost]

The list is assuming you have max mythic dagger in mainhand hence BIS

[keen spruce]

DN > everything

but that should never happen

[sand sigil]

yeah its just a hypothetical

[winged sun]

In sims its consume DN, feeling is to bleed then consume it depending on ur energy

[keen spruce]

^

vibes say bleed

[hollow fulcrum]

speaking of, is crafting a 704 main hand troll

[keen spruce]

but many things would need to go wrong to find yourself in that situation

[hollow fulcrum]

i dont have any 720 crests

[normal mist]

save 60 gilded

[winged sun]

Im pretty sure ur omega fked on energy if ur consuming DN without bleeds, so if ur healthy in energy u always consume DN first

On sims its always perfect gameplay so

[hollow fulcrum]

its from the campaign

[normal mist]

do 3 delves 11 + map and do m+7

[broken quest]

Can we remove James' streamer tag btw, brother has starved us of streams forever now ;_;

[keen spruce]

I'm trying to think of a situation where you have 0 ruptures out, no CT, but garrote on your main target

and DN

[hollow fulcrum]

what if you dont have a map

[idle stump]

I do not know what DN is, maybe we could have something in the FAQ like outlaw has to make noobs like me know the abreviations?

[sand sigil]

oh in this situation u have ruptures out

[keen spruce]

idk how that would even happen

[hollow fulcrum]

is it just me or+7s

[sand sigil]

just randomly not on the next mob that u wanna deathmark

or mark for death or whatever it is

[normal mist]

do delves and get one after reaching level 2 of the delver's journey

[keen spruce]

oh then definitely DN

cuz you have plenty of energy

from the other ruptures

[sand sigil]

ok ok w

[normal mist]

darkest night, deathstalker capstone hero talent

[winged sun]

Mark unlocks ur entire tree

[idle stump]

ty

[hollow fulcrum]

so i should not craft main hand and craft something else?

[winged sun]

So consuming it is omega prio

Especially if its in aoe

[warm vortex]

Who is mark

[winged sun]

Where u have bleeds

[hollow fulcrum]

with 704 crest

[keen spruce]

craft dagger

[winged sun]

U want singular focus dmg to be rolling 24/7

[keen spruce]

upgrade it later

[hollow fulcrum]

ight

[winged sun]

Shorter the window of darkest night the higher ur dps in m+

Same for raid

[winged sun]

Way big of an impact in m+ tho

Still a big impact in raid

[burnt star]

I dont know but my cofee machine is telling me to empty marc

[keen spruce]

i hope algethar never comes back

[keen spruce]

stupid ass rubix cube can sit at the bottom of the sea

[vocal cradle]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[warm vortex]

Still better than transmit

[keen spruce]

i just gave transmitter to literally everyone else in my raid so i never had to bother

[warm vortex]

Who is in this?
I see Zac, whisper, you

[keen spruce]

stealthi

pedro

fragment

exanguinate

[warm vortex]

Fuck exa

Stupidly coded ability

[keen spruce]

cool ability in theory

just kind of a mess

[warm vortex]

Yea

Make it a passive and then we can talk

Acc

Maybe not

[keen spruce]

everyone tells me to get back on the meds when I give my ideas about design

https://tenor.com/view/big-trouble-if-i-speak-if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-speak-big-gif-23519858

[warm vortex]

Acc exang as a passive

Would it just half all your bleed timers

Also give us some ideas duck man

[keen spruce]

then you might as well just play feral

short ass bleeds

it wouldn't be spinning plates

it would be spinning plates while someone else throws plates at you

[warm vortex]

Yea

And less SD fun maybe

[clever sparrow]

how does shiv increase flip coin dmg? isnt it cosmic dmg?

[winged sun]

yes

cosmic works on shiv

[normal mist]

cosmic = nature

[runic hinge]

cosmic is like nature arcane and something

[warm vortex]

What

How is a black hole the same damage type as stinging nettle

Or is that void

Black holes are in space

So they can also be cosmic

[clever sparrow]

ty

[warm vortex]

But shmeeps

Give them to me

I wanna hear

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/chihuahua-cane-recensionivere-cosa-what-gif-7417567602944477819

[runic hinge]

get back on the meds

[humble verge]

@balmy condor chu think my boy

i had my nvme covered

wait wtf

method 6/8 before liquid?

or was it echo

[keen spruce]

liquid was 3rd

on fraccy

[pulsar coral]

why does netherprism sim so poorly for me

if it really good

[whole dome]

How much money are the guys in these guild getting paid?

[balmy condor]

do you have 4pc

[pulsar coral]

yes

[hollow fulcrum]

should i use carved crest to upgrade stuff

[balmy condor]

nothing to get excited about

[hollow fulcrum]

or save

[balmy condor]

link

[pulsar coral]

uno memento

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6J9dt8hfofgCrNG6xVcfYn

it is 694 vs soleah 701

[balmy condor]

well it's replacing your priory

but it's within 0.3%

that seems reasonable

deathstalker is 2 min

dungeonslice is a 6min sim, prism doesn't do anything at the start

makes sense to me

[pulsar coral]

ah ya cuz it has to build up stacks

whereas signet can go off the rip

[balmy condor]

it's also just not as impressive on a 2 min spec

cause 2min trinkets are pretty good

[zenith elm]

Hello Pookies ❤️

[manic quartz]

Dont have anything to compare netherprism to but in m+ i had 10+ stacks fpr every dm, sometimes even more, didnt feel giga bad

[balmy condor]

I mean yes, it's very good

but a 6min sim will devalue a bit

[keen spruce]

gm king

[manic quartz]

Also whispyr while youre here, if i have fate4p, at 2nd kingsbane i use only one shiv at the last 8secs right, on st.

[balmy condor]

yes

[zenith elm]

It is night, but i understand the misunderstanding

[keen spruce]

it's morning somewhere

[runic hinge]

whispyr while you're here can i get a forehead kiss

[manic quartz]

Cool ty and goodnight😴

[zenith elm]

Can you come and shadowstep to drink beer with me whyspir ? ❤️

[tiny pollen]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[viscid spear]

<Target not in line of sight>

[raw marlin]

is there a reason in RWF they all just using sub everytime i look at the streams lol

[haughty flicker]

theyve been sub on araz and nexus king, rest was assa

[hollow fulcrum]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[haughty flicker]

think perfecto played some outlaw on soul hunters but swapped to assa

[balmy condor]

exile played outlaw too

[hollow fulcrum]

does it matter the order of the cast macros for kingsbane

[balmy condor]

no

[hollow fulcrum]

alr

[haughty flicker]

daizr got subbed in to play outlaw for like 3 pulls then got subbed out

[hollow fulcrum]

i thought not but idk

[balmy condor]

its exactly as it says on the tin

[grave osprey]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[ocean ore]

theres any pov of rogue sin in nexus king hc?

[main bridge]

i'm sure there is. did you check YT?

WCL also shows YT icons next to the names that have videos

[ocean ore]

i did

found a sub only for now

[balmy condor]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2539133496

go to like 8:55:00

[ocean ore]

ty very much friend!!

[wispy iris]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[slim hamlet]

The thumbnail of an empty chair made me think it was a "bench pov"

[balmy condor]

I’ve only ever been benched for vault/loot

so heroic isn’t an issue :3

[slim hamlet]

[ocean ore]

\

[wispy iris]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[vocal cradle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[tawdry root]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[raw marlin]

anyone got a weakaura to show when to use FoK instead of other, im too lazy to remember all this @white lance you goat?

[neat flame]

Dumb question, when you sim Soleah's does it tell you what secondaries to try and steal? Helping a friend out with his sim

Ah, found it in the html report

[supple hinge]

in M+ are you meant to get toxic splatter on every add, or just your main target?

[silk sundial]

You can only have 1 spatter

[supple hinge]

because i thought you need to garrote, rupture and splatter each one before AOE stuff

[silk sundial]

put it on your main prio target

[supple hinge]

interesting

and when i spread my garrote, do you usually just dump it in your target hoping it spreads enough, or constantly tab target

[silk sundial]

dump it onto one and let IC do the rest

[supple hinge]

last question sry im super new to the spec, in your opener with nightstalker giving yoou free garotes, do you keep garroting as your generator till the buff goes off? its more points than fan of knives i think

[balmy condor]

It defaults to haste you would have to override it manually

(It doesn’t make that much of a difference)

[silk sundial]

In aoe, you want to garrote and rupture until notable targets have bleeds. Min of 5 of Scent.

But theres no reason to refresh garrote if they already have it

[supple hinge]

thanks a lot, do you have a weakaura or addon you reccomend for keeping track easily?

[silk sundial]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[supple hinge]

jesus

[silk sundial]

I use Whispyr's wa and plater

[keen spruce]

there's a little icon on most of the WA packs

[supple hinge]

ill give it a spin thanks for the help

[silk sundial]

Try those out, see which one you like. They all do the same thing more or less

[keen spruce]

i wonder if my frog wa still works

[supple hinge]

yeh i actually was already using the whispyrs one XD but platers a shout, probably essential for a dot only spec

[keen spruce]

good plater setup is pretty important for m+

[silk sundial]

Whispyr's is nice cause it doesn't track everything, just the important stuff

[supple hinge]

do you import it into weakauras or plater

[keen spruce]

into plater

[supple hinge]

yeh thats rly what i need cuz in a big pack on 11s its like 17 debuffs on each enemy

[keen spruce]

yeah whispyr cuts a ll the noise out

you can use any plater profile as long as it tracks your bleeds and you disable everything else though

[supple hinge]

might be being re****** but i do not for the life of me see the import on this shit

[silk sundial]

profiles

[viscid spear]

I'm feeling a lot better this season compared to the last two

[summer cape]

Is double on use worth it?

[keen spruce]

no

[supple hinge]

definate no for damage ones

we want consistent stats

pref mastery

[summer cape]

like prism and lily?

[supple hinge]

our bsi

[elfin flame]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[supple hinge]

araz is on there cuz 40k agility will cream any enemy

its stats are just ridiculous

[elfin flame]

are fok condtions the same when playing fatebound

[supple hinge]

worse cuz noo clear of witness

or follow the blood

[keen spruce]

well you're not playin fatebound in AoE

but yes

[elfin flame]

ok w

well i think a case could be made for it on fights where there are phases with adds

in raid

so in that scenario

what do

[keen spruce]

I think most people are just playing deathstalker

on those fights

[jaunty sky]

Or sub

[elfin flame]

sure but if u choose to play fb

[raw marlin]

not for FOK?

[elfin flame]

i wanna know

and so far

[keen spruce]

for clear the witness

[elfin flame]

it sounds like

its the same

so w

[keen spruce]

ye just no clear the witness

so I think the rules are the same

[raw marlin]

@elfin flame my man.. you had a video for the raid about fixing lag/stutter etc and performance in raid, did you ever share what it was that fixed it I cant find it

[keen spruce]

I'm not 100% but I can't think of a reason why it wouldn't be

[raw marlin]

oh yh i know that but i want to know in general

[keen spruce]

oh you mean like

depending on how many targets are in range

[raw marlin]

yeah

and based on talents you have

[keen spruce]

I don't think anyone has those built in

[raw marlin]

yh why i tagged devlin lol

[keen spruce]

there used to be a WA that told you how many targets were in range

but it was a seperate thing

and just had a little number

didn't tell you what to do

[raw marlin]

yh it also was so intense

[haughty flicker]

think theres one in the sub channel

[raw marlin]

i used it back in SL

[haughty flicker]

if you use wa command

[keen spruce]

yeah it was for sub

[raw marlin]

tells you fok?

[keen spruce]

the one i used to use

it doesn't tell you to fok

[haughty flicker]

tells you how many are in range

[raw marlin]

too much brainpower then

[keen spruce]

but it just has a counter for how many targets are in range

[elfin flame]

i was wondering if fb having way more crit would affect fok rules

[haughty flicker]

then you just know what to do

[elfin flame]

is sort of the angle im taking

[keen spruce]

there is that one button rotation thingy now

[raw marlin]

too much brainpower to bind it

[elfin flame]

check my discord i have some info there

[raw marlin]

ok sweet also why you always leaving your door open behind you

wont you be murdered?

i assume it goes outside as your takeaway comes through there lol

[humble verge]

why are you talking about fb related to fok at all tho 🤨

[haughty flicker]

because you play fb on some fights in raid that have adds?

[humble verge]

😔

nexus king 😔

[shrewd grotto]

i have 10% haste either im dumb and haste became good for assa or smth but my sims want me to enchant haste and idk why

[jaunty sky]

Stats good

Stats always been good

[keen spruce]

stats don't matter

except agility

[shrewd grotto]

i thought we just wanted crit mastery

[runic hinge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[keen spruce]

idk why u t hought that

[supple hinge]

anyone know the fix for this? plater only has 2 debuffs but i still see everything

[keen spruce]

[fallow canopy]

stats are a fake construct

[keen spruce]

did some rogue clickbaiter make a stat prio short

[wise socket]

have you tried to reload after putting it on manual?

[runic hinge]

all stats are vers

[keen spruce]

[junior axle]

does wowlogs and raider.io show the wrong D.I.S.C belt enchant, or should i be using charged bolt instead of critical chain for the belt?

[supple hinge]

yeh tried that, its just being odd

[main bridge]

it always shows charged bolts

[uneven sable]

does caustic hit the ads on dimensius in p1?

[keen spruce]

there's vers, rng vers, verse with extra steps, and vers that doesn't effect your auto attacks

[runic hinge]

i think one of those is defensive vers

[supple hinge]

ah fixed! fucking threat plates