assassination

[balmy condor]

Is what

[red schooner]

Last 8 seconds of DM shiv v last 8 seconds of KB shiv

[balmy condor]

Oh

No clue

[red schooner]

Fair

[wicked kayak]

omg , how is cast sequence about an item not the spell xD

[balmy condor]

I don’t memorize how bad it is to make something that is very obviously wrong

[red schooner]

Spaghetti code

[waxen oyster]

Why do people have an item from vanilla

its been 20 years

smh

[subtle tundra]

fondle my booty cheeks

[red schooner]

I have my old stuff saved

Like old poisons, blinding powder, thieves tools

Memories

[waxen oyster]

Ok my rogue isnt that old

i played ww until they ruined that spec

in legion

[golden loom]

Also I got gaslit by your fatebound video!!!

[radiant yoke]

Hekili #1 loomithar lfr parse

[golden loom]

[waxen oyster]

logging lfr

[hollow fulcrum]

shiving last 8 seconds of kb vs dm

[balmy condor]

Congrats, you’re officially the best worst player

[radiant yoke]

I did it

[balmy condor]

What now

[golden loom]

In that you say you have to hold shiv for the end of kingsbane....

[balmy condor]

You do

[radiant yoke]

World champion club

[balmy condor]

Just not for the deathmark obviously

[golden loom]

But you do it during dm

In the rotation..

[balmy condor]

Non-deathmark kingsbanes you hold away

[golden loom]

Thats what planted the seed in my head

[waxen oyster]

isnt kb fully stacked

before the bonus seconds from tier

[whole imp]

hi team, what is everyone crafting? wowhead bis says dagger+wrists, just want to ask what y'all are doin

[balmy condor]

Well before, yes

[waxen oyster]

yeah

[red schooner]

Ignore bis, probably dagger

[balmy condor]

Idk but that wowhead guy seems pretty smart and handsome

[waxen oyster]

"im gonna ask the wowhead writer what he made"

surely he did something different than what his own guide says

[balmy condor]

I crafted a cloak

[whole imp]

sorry didnt realize it was whispyr!! thanks for the write up

[red schooner]

Did you use a missive?

[balmy condor]

No

I never use missives

[red schooner]

Good

[whole imp]

lol

[swift whale]

Hey Whispyr, I saw your video, "Assassination Rogue - The Movie". I really liked it, hope you produce more

[balmy condor]

You laugh but I’m not kidding, I haven’t used a missive since s1 Dragonflight

[whole imp]

oh

okay

[stable apex]

why not

whats the no missive tech

[waxen oyster]

because it doesnt matter

[balmy condor]

There’s a sequel soon hopefully

[red schooner]

Why spend money on a missive when you can highroll (also its pointless)

[balmy condor]

The no missive tech is that I ain’t spending gold on shit that doesn’t change my dps

[white mulch]

!bug

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[red schooner]

Hell yeah assassination PvP section time

[wicked kayak]

how do you actually sequence it to use spell not the item ;p ?

[waxen oyster]

delete the item

[balmy condor]

You throw the item away

[red schooner]

I refuse to and just hit tea manually

[wicked kayak]

sure , and then sequence is not casting the tea at all

[broken lion]

do we suck on forgeweaver araz?

and should I switch spec for it

[waxen oyster]

No

looks fine to me

[balmy condor]

Clearly AI

[broken lion]

theres too much target swap idk how to do big dmg

[waxen oyster]

you dont swap

[balmy condor]

Hold vanish for amp

Gg

[whole imp]

i wanna ask another question but you guys are gonna think im stupid

[hollow talon]

Just play sub

[white mulch]

@balmy condor hey mate , checked pins and didn’t find info (kick me if I’m wrong)

What a bug with double cdr on kingsbane? There is some issue and mark and kb not lining together

How we play around it and can we avoid it

Thanks

[hollow talon]

Forced to play sub rogue.gif

[burnt star]

Blizz clearly sont like d.s

[hollow talon]

Lizard boss on eco dome really grinds my gears about ds

[balmy condor]

Well, you said kick me if I’m wrong

[golden loom]

Just play around it?

You can track the energy of eco dome boss

[burnt star]

When he split. Keep mark on the lizard

[golden loom]

Dont darkest night when its about to reach 100

[white mulch]

Ah shit
Fuck my eyes
My bad

[burnt star]

Be sure not to have a mark before he split

[balmy condor]

O7 sir cheapshot

[broken lion]

just stay on boss?

[waxen oyster]

I mean sometimes you move the mark natty to the echo

[golden loom]

You can even vanish ambush the first echo right?

[waxen oyster]

I had dn come up when it spawned

and we kept adds on it

[golden loom]

I think I did yesterday but I also sent cds into an add dont ask me

[waxen oyster]

so normal thought process

i didnt have dm for the amp iirc

came up 10 after

[golden loom]

I sent full cds into an add during amp

Like I vanish ambushed araz, put bleeds on him and then sent dm shiv kingsbane on an add next to him

Cinema

[hazy horizon]

how do u deal with DM on ecodome 2nd boss or tazavesh 3rd boss ?

[waxen oyster]

I just watch spatter and dm carry me

the 6min dm ancestral call carries

[broken lion]

hmm ill have to try next time

[golden loom]

The 6min dm lust pot is the one that went into an add

[golden loom]

Watch the energy and play around it in eco dome
Streets boss just gotta vanish to reapply it pretty much

[waxen oyster]

play nelf (jk shit race)

[void gazelle]

I think I will play fatebound without 4 set on araz tonight, cause adds dies too quickly, until the last part, and fatebound feels better

[waxen oyster]

?

Why do adds matter you just dont detarget boss

[void gazelle]

I put bleed on them, because of the singular focus deathstalker talent

[waxen oyster]

My statement remains

[oblique sorrel]

Tunnel boss do big damage

[trail hearth]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[void gazelle]

For tunneling boss, deathstalker better?

[oblique sorrel]

Well if you don’t have any tier like me I stick with last seasons build. But caustic spatter will do big dam

[waxen oyster]

considering fatebound actively loses damage for more targets

[oblique sorrel]

Haven’t touched fb yet as I don’t have set bonuses

[waxen oyster]

it sucks

well its basically base sin without a hero talent

besides you press vanish for double jep

[oblique sorrel]

I’ll find out I guess next week

Or Tuesday

[real pike]

hmm top gear seems to be telling me to stack crit gems and ignore the algari diamond effect, does that sound right?

[austere fjord]

hey guys, how behind is the hybrid Kbane setup compared to bleed in keys?

Id like to get more ST cause its pretty bad on bosses but dont wanna drop too much overall

[red schooner]

We trust in the robot

[real pike]

I trust in the robot, I just don't trust in my ability to use the robot

especially as I've only just started using Top Gear

[marsh fjord]

It’s pretty behind. Because the keys most people are doing right now are not high enough that you need massive amount of ST. And bleed is way to good. Even with mediocre ST

[red schooner]

Link the sim and someone can check possibly?

Not me cos I'm also a dumbfuck

But someone competent can check

[real pike]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wCggPK9AD7dvcQbJSShqBg

[real pike]

yooo me too that's crazy

[acoustic lake]

Hey guys , new to rogue and I'm dog water. When hitting garrote out of stealth do I just spam it on my prio target and let it spread, or should I be tabbing each cast ? Same for rupture

[red schooner]

Troll rogue. ONE OF US.

[marsh fjord]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[acoustic lake]

Ty

[real pike]

tabbing is a very small gain on certain target numbers but generally you can spread from your main target

[red schooner]

!carnage

[real pike]

the best kind of rogue, factually

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[whole imp]

beautiful

thank you @red schooner

[solar wyvern]

This sim literally has an algari diamond in it btw, your neck

Or u mean the different gem colors? Thats cause you have 2 pieces of jewelry without crit on them and its trying to compensate

[real pike]

yeah atm I have at least 1 of every colour for the effect

I guess raw crit is more important with my current stats

just wanted to make sure that was the case and I didn't do something wrong

[sand relic]

im seeing people talking about FB CD reduction sometimes doubling up, is it also just not applying sometimes?

[spice surge]

Should always be applying assuming you do the opener correctly

[candid nacelle]

hi all
Does our 2p set the same effect as 4p or get it duplicated then?

[sand relic]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/matrxndy2VbKkC8j?fight=2&type=casts&source=22&view=timeline

didnt come back up until the 2min mark

i got the lucky coin 10 sec in during the opener

[flint gulch]

How complex has the assa rotation become these days ? Rogue for the longest time was my go to maain but i kinda fell of it last year. Outlaw is too much for m yhands and i was way to inconsistent with sub

[real pike]

once you have the opener down it's very chill

[sharp mango]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[flint gulch]

right now i onlyy have myy ranged slot filled witm BM Hunter. For melee it was Assa and FDK for years but maybe i should try melee specs i havent tried before. It sucks that because of my clumsy small hands i cant use modfiers even with a multibutton mouse and also above 20ish keybinds i drop of 4

how hostile is M+ i havent tried it but because of my training schedule organised Raids are almost impossible?

[barren yarrow]

M+ hostility? Not much.

[humble verge]

it only took me enough time

[barren yarrow]

Grats uber

[humble verge]

now i can go on my nelf

and farm m+ there

[marsh fjord]

Not even 3k yet

Noob

[final star]

What is the dps difference between shiv before DM and shiv back to back for the duration during KB inside DM as Fatebound (as in when KB has 16s remaining on duration shiv)

I know the first is correct but want to know the difference

[peak lake]

Fatebound double use is a thing with netherprism ?
Like u can araz pull - nether 1:30 and then u just have 1 use trinket for everyburst

[wild parcel]

any1 have the debuffs id list to track on plater

[nova kelp]

you can, but it's ass

[peak lake]

idk liquid rogue switched from nether + antena to nether + araz on fracti

[tawny geyser]

Huge man, gz! I got two 12’s so far.
Eco Al’dani dungeon seems easiest so far, even attempted on 13 and was overtime by 10 secs.

[final star]

a 5m sim uses as prism > forge > prism > forge and so does a 6m

would be nice to see the other way round

[humble verge]

dungeons that are considerably free are prio, dawn, eco, and gambit

[final star]

but with that usage it's substantially behind, so not sure if swapping them would make a single bit of difference

[humble verge]

floodgate is sometimes ass depending on the tank pulls

street just sucks

halls can be tight

and arakara is also kinda stupid tight now

idk why

[peak lake]

well use nether on pull instead of araz is just stupid

[humble verge]

the 50DR adds feel like they take ages to kill with certain groups

[peak lake]

anyway double use can be a thing at the moment u value burst phase instead of flat

[final star]

sure, it's probably not in the sim and I suspect whispyr has been very thorough already and tested it

[peak lake]

(amp, adds spawn, no mecanics windows)

[final star]

but it worked out worse

[tacit nest]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[zenith holly]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[scenic plank]

!fu

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[zenith holly]

!tott

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[zenith holly]

!snap

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of snapshotting

Bleeds update their tick rate dynamically, which means that if you get a haste proc (which increases our tick rate) from somewhere during the encounter (ie. Power Infusion), the bleeds would automatically tick faster, but the second your haste goes back to normal, the tick rate goes back down as well.

Snapshotting refers to getting that haste proc, reapplying bleeds at the faster tick rate, but instead of the bleeds going back to a slower tick rate when your haste drops, they would continue ticking at a faster rate until they expire or are reapplied.

[random jungle]

hi. if i wanna change from blood elf to night elf, do i need to buy faction change too? or just race change from shop? ty

[harsh silo]

Faction change

[flint gulch]

The faction change lets choose your race unless its a neutral one as far as i recall

[random jungle]

so just faction change?

[harsh silo]

Yeah

[flint gulch]

jop

[random jungle]

aight, ty !

[final star]

race change if going from same faction

faction change if changing factions

[broken chasm]

Anyone got a WA to track my Rupture/Garrote? Some bosses are huge and I can’t see it on nameplates.

[nova kelp]

Sorry for the long wait
that particular situation just as an fyi, isn't so much for overall throughput etc
it's because he's seeking a certain level of extreme burst in particular sections of a fight
that kind of optimisation is somethign you will see from RWF raiders often, but that doesn't mean it's TYPICALLY a good move

[final star]

Just get any rogue pack and take them out of it

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[peak lake]

well there is no reason to want a burst on fractillus mm

u want the best possible overall for 6mn fight

[nova kelp]

is there no reason?

are you in their guild disc listening in?

[final star]

fractillus is as patchwerk as it gets

[nova kelp]

I'm not

[final star]

but the more likely reason

is consistency

[nova kelp]

i don't know what the requirements they're looking for are

what I can tell you is that the math doesn't math out if you're after overall dps

[final star]

swapping from antenna (which is a proc) to araz (which is an on-use) should give you more consistent results on a smaller pull count

a similar reason as to why healers prefer stat stick trinkets over proc based ones

consistent stats are better for their healing assigns than hoping they get a proc during them

[half igloo]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[nocturne quail]

Anybody ever flipped tails 32 times in a row?

Because let me tell ya

[shy axle]

how do you handle your mark on the 2nd boss (taahbat and awazi) in Aldani? When he teleports into the middle he loses the mark, when he enters the mount he loses it too.

[plush umbra]

look at boss energy/ boss timers and make sure your mark isn't applied to the mount when it vanishes

[main bobcat]

plan to have darkest night or vanish ready for the swap

it's cringe as fuck to play

but it is what it is

[languid patrol]

hey friendo's. just coming back to roguelife(haven't touched it since wrath) and i have a question around bleeds. i've been looking at both hekili and maxdps and trying to understand bleeds, specifically garrote. i don't have any logs at this point to review, but my question is this. does improved garrote from a vanish supercede or just count as a second application of garrote? The above mentioned addons also seem to be fine with overlapping rupture and garrote. is this wasteful or do i just not understand how they work now? thank you 🙂

[nova kelp]

fights just cringe, still lots of learning to do, only timed a 12 so far

[red schooner]

Overlapping is fine because of pandemic timings

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[shy axle]

ty guys

[languid patrol]

ahhhh, thank you both!! greatly appreciated!!!

[shy axle]

does eevrything dmg related get buffed by 2p ds? f.e. the dn env, but also lingering, the fok effect, the auto attack dmg effect etc?

or anything that is not buffed better said

[spice surge]

The energy from darkest night

Which is debatable if thats a "damage effect" or not, but either way it doesnt get buffed

[flint gulch]

If i want to try a high mobility spec aside from rogue would i go WW or Havoc?

[shy axle]

thank you

[opal dagger]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[flint gulch]

Would assa rogue and BM hunter be a good roster of charas?

[brave comet]

in heroic sentinal plexus, he throws you around the time you kingsbane, how do you guys use CDs there?

[main bridge]

Play what you like

[flint gulch]

i do but it helps when the charas i play fill different roles and a playstys

[vestal geyser]

How much of a loss is it to just macro netherprism to DM for FB?

[novel swallow]

anyone know which addon/wa is this and what macro to i make to make it work

[main bridge]

It’s a WA and it looks like it’s working

[covert creek]

Why using a shiv before DM is better than delaying it to use it after KB to boost the last 16 sec of KB in chain with both?
Fatebound opener that is

[solar wyvern]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[novel swallow]

ty

[solar wyvern]

Your tails coins get amped by shiv

[normal mist]

What does "a good roster of chars" mean

[main bridge]

No Kpop DH so it’s not a good roster

[mortal crystal]

Like Charrend said. It’s cosmic dmg so all of the circled schools of magic

[normal mist]

I did say that, I think, maybe

Oi don't do that to me

Now I look dumb

[mortal crystal]

Sorry, was a bit too quick 😦

[normal mist]

No worries just having fun hehe

Shiv dm vs dm shiv talk is an hot topic

[mortal crystal]

I get why, tbh. It’s not intuitive :/

[normal mist]

Same as "why do we vanish in fb"

[dense cedar]

why do we press buttons?

I'd prefer not to

[normal mist]

You can not press buttons

[dense cedar]

good to know

[normal mist]

Go near a wall, do a /lean and go afk

[dense cedar]

that's a lot of buttons

typing and all that

only wanna type in discord

not wow

smh

[normal mist]

Type in discord, copy past into wow

[dense cedar]

TRUE

ur a genius

now i will r1 parse dimensius mythic

[final star]

what's the dps difference between the two

shiv before DM and after DM

[brisk path]

can you charge netherprism trinket before starting M+?

[normal mist]

Fb shiv dm buffs coin's

[indigo mulch]

How good is 4p deathstalker in dungeons?

[final star]

yes I know the difference

[normal mist]

Good

[final star]

I want to know the dps difference

just so I know what % perfecto is losing

😄

[indigo mulch]

Cause i feel like i'm doing potato damage in dungeons right now but i don't have 4p :C

[final star]

0.4%

[golden loom]

but perfecto is also using KB before shiv

like he is doing dm kb shiv right?

or am I blind

[final star]

he's doing dm kb shiv when 16s left on kb

which is like 2 glovals later

globals*

[golden loom]

should be 0.8% then no?

[final star]

you tell me that's why I'm asking lol

[golden loom]

cause the 0.4 probably assumes you atleast shiv before KB as normal

cause with tier KB also flips the same coins as DM

[final star]

ye

[golden loom]

if boss lives with 0.8% hp we all know whos fault it was!!

[final star]

but we musn't question a world first raiders rotation because how many world firsts do I have

[jolly stirrup]

Quick question, if I macro my trinket and potion to deathmark, do I write:
#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/cast [Trinket Name here]
/use(cast?) [Potionname here]

[golden loom]

yeah I mean a small rotational thing doesnt make him any less goated 😎

[main bridge]

I think it makes sense to have potion on another key bind unless you want to use potions in all content which would be expensive

[bitter solar]

/use 13 or /use 14 for trinket slots and /use potion name. 13 is the top slot, 14 bottom

[final star]

perfecto and kush are well known for feelycrafting their rotation during rwf

they did it all of amirdrassil

[golden loom]

based

[jolly stirrup]

13 is top trinket slot?

[golden loom]

fuck it we ball type shi

[final star]

and nearly always get proven "wrong"

[bitter solar]

Yeah, just edited my message for clarity

[jolly stirrup]

Thank you kind sir or madam

[hollow fulcrum]

ok so is it normal to need to garrote during dm/kb window as fatebound

cuz i find myself needing to reapply garrote right before second shiv

[grand trail]

hello

[royal lantern]

only psychopaths put their trinket in the top slot

[grand trail]

how do i sim difference between oil and wetstone

[eternal sandal]

do we spend "clear the witnesses" in single target scenarios in M+?

[wild pine]

how do i talent into KB if i need it for keys

do i remove the 7 target shiv?

[eternal sandal]

not worth. just dont use KB in dungeons.

[golden loom]

fuck KB

[final star]

consumable string in #tc-research pins

[grand trail]

ty

[frigid kestrel]

Can you not SS Dimensius?

[eternal sandal]

you can but not really worth doing.

[frigid kestrel]

Ok just doublechecking because I did in phase 1 and insta died

So something else must have happened

[eternal sandal]

it should place you at the front of the arena

[frigid kestrel]

That’s what I thought would happen

[eternal sandal]

but since the strat is to split its not really worth bothering with.

just SS your raid members instead

[errant falcon]

Hey folks. How much of a difference is Fatebound vs Deathstalker on single target?

[main bridge]

Significant

You can sim it if you want too

[eternal sandal]

anyone know about this?

[main bridge]

I don’t get it just press FoK

[golden loom]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[round holly]

how to not get astro cancer the second i go ST in m+?

[golden loom]

pull mobs onto boss

and be the best class in the game

[dawn kelp]

What kinda nerf is likely in m+

Hopefully it’s the mage treatment and they sacrifice the aoe for some ST to be more OP

[main bridge]

It makes no sense to worry about what may or may not happen

[dawn kelp]

Buddy I’m not worried just curious lmfaooo

[round holly]

kingsbane build is donezo?

[main bridge]

In s3 it’s just bleed all the time

[round holly]

alright guess i will just beg for more targets then

[eternal sandal]

ty

[golden loom]

it is the key to succsses

idk hwo to spell

[round holly]

yeah it's ok im already a professional beggar

[hoary remnant]

Rogue op

[solar wyvern]

Meanwhile soul hunters

[nocturne quail]

Why would we get nerfed

They already fixed spatter

[spice surge]

Ye surely assa is pefectly balanced in keys now

[nocturne quail]

Frost dk do same dam

Arcane do same dam

[solar wyvern]

Yep nothing to see

[nocturne quail]

Dev do same dam (it’s pad but like dev friend did 50 mil FG first pull)

[spice surge]

[nocturne quail]

I did a 12 psf, other dps doing less than I did last season

Saying I’m overturned

[royal lantern]

tbf

Outlaw in raid is also dumb strong lmao

[solar wyvern]

Spatter being 20% better and being 10% of bleeds overall SURELY is enough of a fix

[royal lantern]

feels like people kinda sleep on it

cus ofc they do

[subtle tundra]

all you have to do is proc the CDR bug

[solar wyvern]

Outlaw is weirdge cause it feels strong but ifs like the worst prog spec ever

[sharp forum]

Was it bugged??

[nocturne quail]

Was double dipping yeah

[jade abyss]

Nerf hunter and warrior

[nocturne quail]

Has been for a while as I understand it

[boreal mason]

guys can u help me? icy veins has now no more kingsbane in their rotation but from my point of view the kingsbane deathmark combo is just to strong to play it how do they think that u get your high dps without this combo?

[wet ruin]

ok, so why does envenom work with seal fate??? what is happening

[dense cedar]

wdym

[slow snow]

Flat dmg in prog is just not good (outlaw, frost mage, etc)

[wet ruin]

crits from envenom generate a combo point

[sharp forum]

Now I understand some of my dps last week lol

[solar wyvern]

Deal fate?

[wet ruin]

even deal fate should not work with it

[nocturne quail]

It’s not that big a nerf in bleed build brother

[solar wyvern]

Yeah but spaghetti

[solar wyvern]

Havent played fb cause haha no zenith but that sounds like a weirdge bug

[main bridge]

If you’re playing well then spatter will be in your top 3 damage sources so I wouldn’t say it’s insignificant

[royal lantern]

kingsbane has not been strong since DF is over mate lol

like, kingsbane is no "you do insane dmg" button

[boreal mason]

and how do i have to play it now?

[nocturne quail]

Like charrend said

[boreal mason]

just apply poison and bleeding and then deathmark into envenom?

[royal lantern]

you literally just said you have a open guide

[languid patrol]

if i may interject, what are you guys using for logging local to look for optimizations outside of dungeons and raids? does details have any kind of extract to pump into simc or something like that or is that something i should be looking for in simc?

[nocturne quail]

It’s like 10% your dam

And the biggest strength is our funnel dead ass and that not affected

[boreal mason]

yes but in this guide there is still the kingsbane combo and i dont know how to adjust

[wet ruin]

actually its rupture as well by the looks of it

[dense cedar]

serrated bone spike

[wet ruin]

no, Im talking about seal fate, you get both

[coral ibex]

wym optimizations outside raid and dungeons

[nocturne quail]

And we still topping meters

[coral ibex]

why would open world content need optimization

[humble verge]

the tier upgrade list per hero talent for classes

[solar wyvern]

Now that is quite strange indeed

[humble verge]

does anybody have the link?

[solar wyvern]

Its every envenom crit?

Does it happen on DS?

[wet ruin]

can't tell if its every crit

I just noticed it on a dummy with fatebound and checked logs

[languid patrol]

i spend alot of time on a target dummy..likely more than i should and this toon's only been 80 since friday, and we didn't log our normal dimensius kill, so i have zero data to work with to this point

[solar wyvern]

Is it maybe

Tails coins??

[wet ruin]

its something weird for sure, should not be happening

[inner crypt]

Hi guys, for what is vanish used in single with coldblood/trickster build? In single

[royal lantern]

you can log dmg dummys if you want?

[golden loom]

not gonna lie I have felt some weird thing going on with fatebound combo points aswell

[dense cedar]

wrng channel im guessing

[solar wyvern]

Check DS i have a strange feeling its Tails coins proccing

[humble verge]

i think i hit a new SD high.

[languid patrol]

i'll give that a try.

[golden loom]

the last thing I did was an envenom

[velvet ridge]

Dam, what mob. I hit a 50 million yesterday

[dense cedar]

we are now outlaw

[wet ruin]

just fatebound by the looks of it

either coins, or deal fate + seal fate being weird

[inner crypt]

After CDs, before envenom?

[royal lantern]

dont make me delete a 18year old character

[dense cedar]

im confused you're talking trickster, but we don't have that hero talent

[raw marlin]

anyone know why my anchors are fucked for liquid addons all of a sudden? Moved from 32inch 1080 to ultrawide 1440p but would that fuck the anchors?

anyone same problem/fix?

[inner crypt]

Sorry, indont remember

[royal lantern]

?

[inner crypt]

Fatebound

[languid patrol]

anchor offset is likely set as an absolute and not a percentage of viewable screen

[golden loom]

okay so yeah my envenom just flipped a tails and gave me a combo point

[raw marlin]

any fix ideas?

[languid patrol]

tl:dr lazy coding

[royal lantern]

what does your combat log say?

[wet ruin]

which one crit?

[dense cedar]

you can just vanish after kingsbane, that way the next envenom cb hit is double flipped

[inner crypt]

Wanted to say fatebond sorry

[dense cedar]

u can technically place it anywhere from DM to just before your 2nd cb envenom

[golden loom]

the coin crit

[solar wyvern]

@balmy condor new bug dropped

[humble verge]

whats the bug

[dense cedar]

tails coin crits give combo point apparently

[solar wyvern]

Seal fate on what appears.to be tails/envenom crits

[dense cedar]

incredibly pointless bug

[subtle tundra]

how is it pointless

if its more combopoints?

thats like

so good?

[royal lantern]

generating cp on finishers is not pointless lol

[dense cedar]

if its on the tails coin crit

[languid patrol]

the only thing i can think is to work through the lua, but you're talking an entire rewrite and then you've forked code which i would imagine you won't want to support and neither will the creator.. it's a crappy spot to be in for sure, but you're beholden to whoever wrote the addons/aura's

[royal lantern]

that should be brought to attention

[humble verge]

any HM taza enjoyers?

im going in soon

[solar wyvern]

60 envenoms = potentially 40 extra cp in a fight is not pointless

[royal lantern]

no, im not dumb enough to do it

[subtle tundra]

youre on tails ~50% of the time
and you have a lot of crit as fatebound

[onyx pond]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[subtle tundra]

thats quite a bit

[raw marlin]

but its not on my screen AT ALL.. like even like off to the side

[dense cedar]

its not every envenom crit tho

[solar wyvern]

Even 20 extra cp is insaneo

[golden loom]

hmm I dont think its only envenom crits

I removed bonespike and this lil rupture gave me a point aswell

[royal lantern]

and also like

you wanna finish on 5+ cp

on fatebound you allready can get 5cp with a single mutilate by getting 2 crits

if a tails crit generates a CP, you only need 1 mutilate crit for 5cp

[languid patrol]

so...see if you can change the resolution in wow and then move stuff over

[fallow canopy]

Deal fate may be krangled atp

[solar wyvern]

Yeah it feeds into itself this is definitely a massive bug

[main bridge]

Yes my group tried it last night

[raw marlin]

it shows exactly where it should be when i load weakaura up and show it, but the anchors most be fucked lol

[dense cedar]

it seems to only happen on envenoms that crit while on tails?

even if the tails don't crit?

[golden loom]

no

[dense cedar]

??

[solar wyvern]

I think its all finishers

[dense cedar]

i can't get it to happen from a heads crit

[solar wyvern]

Bases on the rupture ss

[golden loom]

I just got it with a rupture that rolled a crit on tails

[languid patrol]

i don't know then. my apologies, homie.

[golden loom]

heads doesnt do damage?

[dense cedar]

oh so it sin't from the finishers at all?

[raw marlin]

sadge, ty

[dense cedar]

just the tails coin

[golden loom]

the coin deals damage

and can crit

and that is giving a combo point

[dense cedar]

no what im saying is

its not the finisher crit at all then

[raw marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/kc006-zach-galifianakis-gif-8185892

[dense cedar]

jsut the coin

[raw marlin]

dont tell bugs

[golden loom]

yeah the finisher crit doesnt matter

its just the coin damage critting that is giving a point

[boreal mason]

soomeone said i have to read the guide i ve, so u want that i stgill use the knigsbane combo nothing else is there written

[solar wyvern]

It appears that way ye, mb on the initial analysis of a new bug hehe

[dense cedar]

cold blood crits don't seem to do it

[inner crypt]

Cant understand why i hit so low in a full single, comparimg the others, any place or somethimg tontrack what is failing here? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zmjFgbtwxqkDWGTX?fight=2&type=damage-done

[golden loom]

would not surprise me if this bug is old though

[dense cedar]

oh wait

im dumb

[wet ruin]

now the question is, if you do deathmark / kingsbane and roll 2 coins if they crit do you get 2 cp

[dense cedar]

doesn't matter for the coin just the attack

im stoopid

[stark matrix]

Would it be worth playing fatebound on saladbar if you’re only 2p?

[dense cedar]

but yeah

does the game treat tails as a builder? lol

[golden loom]

well I just got 1 combo point from deathmark

[subtle karma]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[marsh fjord]

yes

[coral ibex]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps#aoe-priority

[marble hemlock]

im not quite sure i understand the question. what is it you wanna know?

[stark matrix]

[dense cedar]

what are you asking about?

[coral ibex]

they're confused about bleed build bc it doesnt have kingsbane

and i think the icyveins guide they have pulled up is for a hybrid build

[light grove]

Do we need some mandatory WA as fatebound assa rogue ?

[coral ibex]

bc it shows kingsbane in the priority list

[marble hemlock]

ye, im the author of said guide. im still confused. if you dont have kingsbane, you just dont use it

[coral ibex]

yea but the guide says to use kingsbane

that's the confusion

[dense cedar]

tails coin bug very epic

will come in handy when i go on another 17 heads streak

[marble hemlock]

ill add an (if talented) to it

[dense cedar]

can't believe you're out here tricking people by telling them to press a button they don't have talented

smhsmh

[humble verge]

about to blast thru

[coral ibex]

i think they just need to read the part that explains bleed build

[humble verge]

did anyone die

møffin

[main bridge]

Yes. It was our first try so that was expected

Good luck!

[humble verge]

im not expecting to die

[static glacier]

best advice i can give is tell people to just throw and catch their own bombs for mail / spec mass root for dragon

[humble verge]

but i think our shaman will

[main bridge]

I recommend watching a video so you know what to expect

[humble verge]

can you catch your own tho?

[dense cedar]

someone gonna forget to run out for interrogate

[main bridge]

There are new HM mechanics

[humble verge]

i can just cloak

pepe

[jolly stirrup]

Guys my Sim for FB is 200k higher, but I perform significantly better on DS, on DS I am 100k away from optimal Sim, but on FB I am more than 400k away 0pc Set btw, is that normal?

[static glacier]

yeee

@humble verge

just dont max range throw if you dont have sprint

[boreal mason]

i heard kingsbane got hardcore nerfed so nobody plays it anymore but how works then the deathmark combo?

[humble verge]

true

[static glacier]

ez to solo a bomb though

[humble verge]

but like

[marble hemlock]

which is the exact same as the hybrid one, sans kingsbane

[humble verge]

can dh cancel it

[golden loom]

@solar wyvern I think this bug is old, I am checking a old skiran log and I am pretty sure it happened here aswell

[humble verge]

with netherwalk?

[royal lantern]

yes, its normal

they giga buffed fatebound so it doesnt end up with a 0% playrate for the entire expansion

[coral ibex]

brother im not the one

[jolly stirrup]

But why do I suck at it

[dense cedar]

are u getting luck coin in your pulls?

[royal lantern]

idk, there is no gameplay change really

[boreal mason]

i heard kingsbane got hardcore nerfed so nobody plays it anymore but how works then the deathmark combo?

[coral ibex]

what do you mean

deathmark combo

[dense cedar]

please read Seliathan's messages above

[astral patio]

hey yall, new to assa, played outlaw before, is there any video guide u can recommend me for getting into the spec ?

[coral ibex]

what combo

[jolly stirrup]

I think I went up to 8 outside of Opener once, but otherwise I swapped coins after 3 or 4 finishers always

[coral ibex]

you just press DM

[dense cedar]

well as long as it happens once early on ur good

ur damage can be turbo fucked if u just don't get it till like after ur 2nd DM or something

[boreal mason]

thx sry have overwritten it

[dense cedar]

2p gets rid of this entirely tho

[jolly stirrup]

so afterall its still luck based

[languid patrol]

if i may be the newb hot take police, sanguine blades is keeping me from emptying my energy pool so that i actually play patiently. i understand it's a not quite optimal talent based on what i have to give up to get it in my build, but man, i think playing as if you don't have energy seems to pay dividends more often than not(outside of cooldown usage, obviously)

[wet ruin]

yep, deathmark gave me 2 cp, so every coin crit procs seal fate, cool

[jolly stirrup]

ignore it

Act like sanguine blade doest exist

[golden loom]

oh yeah just got the same thing

[dense cedar]

basically got the outlaw mechanic

just more rng

[astral patio]

hey yall, new to assa, played outlaw before, is there any video guide u can recommend me for getting into the spec ?

[golden loom]

fuck it maybe its intended

[jolly stirrup]

oh boy

I do

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZXEXxFABJM&t=1130s&ab_channel=Whíspyr

[languid patrol]

yeah, just trying to use it to learn out bad habits. i'll get over that crutch, i'm sure, eventually

[jolly stirrup]

Enjoy

[main bridge]

Whispyr and Shindig have good videos

[astral patio]

ty!

[wet ruin]

no no don't cope, its definitely not intended

[dense cedar]

They added crit-based ruthlessness

yipee

[golden loom]

if its been in since season 1 it has to be intended!!

noone just ever played this fkin hero talent

[dense cedar]

itsafeature

[supple hinge]

could someone whos rly good at rogue tell me what im doing wrong? im new to the spec https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/16fA9aKCXqxyjPnb?fight=52&type=damage-done&source=754

[wet ruin]

[astral patio]

what build are we playing rn ? everyone plays sth different

[dense cedar]

soul hunters log 🤮

[supple hinge]

its literally the only spec ive gotten a green parce on first time i must be missing something big

[jolly stirrup]

Depends

Read the guide on wowhead

!guide

[dense cedar]

you sohuld be playing Deathstalker on Soul Hunters

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[dense cedar]

every time the 3 of them are near each other, you're losing a lot of damage

[supple hinge]

oh for the deathmark?

wait do we goo full bleed AOE for soul hunters?

[dense cedar]

no just cos fatebound sucks at 3+

[supple hinge]

ah interesting

[astral patio]

so if i wanna learn assa, i have to learn 3 different variants ? ^^

[winged sun]

just bleed everything

in aoe

and call it a day

nothing to learn cuh

[nocturne quail]

I played zeross no garrote build on soul hunters

[winged sun]

[golden loom]

he might be cooking but he is not cooking chicken soup fr fr

[nocturne quail]

Yeah wouldn’t rec

[old terrace]

I'm trying to do a dagger crafting order for the first time, but I'm a little confused on this process, where do I get spark of starlight?

[coral ibex]

completing weekly activities

[dense cedar]

do quests that have the weekly activity box on them

[boreal mason]

what is soul hunter?

[dense cedar]

the raid boss

[main bridge]

Triple check that you are crafting an agility dagger because if you choose the wrong one you cannot fix it. Unrelated to the spark.

[supple hinge]

should i be envenoming at max or 5 points on ST

[coral ibex]

5+

[supple hinge]

cuz fatebound doesnt have that "max stacks bonus 60% thing"

[old terrace]

this one, yeah?

[coral ibex]

yes

[old terrace]

why does it show the ilvl as so low? how do I get that up?

[coral ibex]

with a spark

and a crest

[snow kindle]

is there a bug list i can see anywhere

[supple hinge]

do i want it to be 5 stacks, or do i aim for 7. like if i had 5 points do i do another mutilate to make it 7?

[old terrace]

I placed a spark in the spot, I'm not sure where to put the crest

[coral ibex]

finish on 5+

[dense cedar]

look up "insects" on wikipedia

[main bridge]

Read the guides. It goes over this

[supple hinge]

ah okay

[main bridge]

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[thick juniper]

Good morning, from my understanding in herioc raid, we dont change change targets much. Any specifiv fight we should?

[supple hinge]

soul

id imagine

for that juicy splatter

[old terrace]

ah, I don't have enough guilded for a crest yet, I'll just save them up

[thick juniper]

the soul hunters?

[brave comet]

when i go to the titans on the platform, do i use both of my cooldowns on heroic nexus king ?

[supple hinge]

yeh cuz you want them to splatter eachother

40% cleave of all your poisons

[tulip fern]

Is netherprism not simming properly or is it possible that lily is actually better for me. Running sims to assess 4 set + netherprism dps gain

[supple hinge]

do you ever actually use kidney shot to proc this, surely not right?

in raid fights

[tulip fern]

just rupture ^

[coral ibex]

no

[supple hinge]

fair

[inner crypt]

Can someone check what im missing? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zmjFgbtwxqkDWGTX?fight=2&type=damage-done

[humble verge]

dh died to orbs

[scarlet orbit]

First look you didnt vanish in your opener which is not good because of the hero talent

[inner crypt]

Ye, im checking i have to use vanish this patch, after kings, before env?

[scarlet orbit]

it has not a strict timing you can do it after kb and then again with your 3 min dm

[tulip fern]

with netherprism that would be even bigger i imagine

[thick juniper]

So I would garrote/rupture and mut on all of them?

[boreal mist]

is it normal in pure ST to run out of energy and be waiting to be able to cast mutilate?

[scarlet orbit]

Its just that it doestn align with the second dm so you use it at the 3min one

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[analog field]

on streets we try cleave?

[tulip fern]

yeah, would you not hold netherprism for the 3m cds? seems like the giga burst is the play

[scarlet orbit]

You also desynced dm and kb and used them not togheter

[supple hinge]

`thats my understanding yeh

then fan of knives for points

[odd python]

Siphoning Stiletto yay or nay ?

[scarlet orbit]

Was talking about vanish. You use that on 1 and 3 dm and same with the trinket

[odd python]

I did, sim myself, but i remember it being shit in s1

[inner crypt]

Ye, thoguht with new tier cd reduction, maybe better to spam them

[mystic hornet]

should i be rocking s3 2pc and s2 2 pc? or wait until i have s3 4 set to switch?

[scarlet orbit]

You nearly never want to hold cds as assa. If you use them on cd they align perfectly.

[nova kelp]

it's hyper shit

[inner crypt]

Ye, thats true

[odd python]

It does sim 0.7% better - does the self dmg is dealbrekare or sim bugged ?

[thick briar]

Does deathstalker/fatebound have a huge impact on bosses in the raid? Or are they similiar in dmg?

[nova kelp]

are you simming it vs a weapon that has no cantrip?

[odd python]

good point

[inner swift]

if you turn in the delve m+ quest will you be 105 this week or will it wasted

?

[nova kelp]

it's fixed now

[thick juniper]

thank you!

[dense talon]

!bleed

[inner swift]

by fixed you mean will it give the 15 or no

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +20's or higher, you should play bleed
3. Even if you're doing higher, you should probably play bleed
4. No, Fatebound is not good, you play Deathstalker in every key.

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• 11.2/Season 3: Bleed has gotten stronger through some buffs and the single target damage you get from singular focus is ridiculously good with the tier set. During PTR testing many high end rogues were just playing bleed everywhere.
• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave build is mainly for boss damage (note: not prio, there is no significant difference in prio). Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and some bosses during season 2 were not possible on high keys otherwise. It remains to be seen what push keys in Season 3 will bring in that regard.
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal. Rookery is not in the rotation in Season 3, and there are a lot of AoE dungeons. Dawnbreaker might be a candidate, but unsure currently.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead outside of low target cleave and higher target AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage. At the end of the day, the builds are extremely similar, but Bleed is looking to simply be the best.

[nova kelp]

it won't

[inner swift]

ah

aight

[inner crypt]

And sorry but i have one last question, is better atm oil at weapons or ap like last patch?

[nova kelp]

depends on sim, if you're low on crit you might currently want oil

[inner crypt]

Ty bro

[inner crypt]

Guides saying both depending 😉

[waxen oyster]

Yeah that means sim

[flint gulch]

i usually play 2 to 3 charas since i get burned out when i play one class or spec all the time i refer to that as a roster

[west crown]

Guide also says sim 😉

[normal mist]

Yes, i got that part down

what makes a roster "good"?

[waxen oyster]

5 mages

all diff builds

[tall bluff]

!macros

[flint gulch]

its mostly my tastes or well roles or spec that go well together

[dense cedar]

how can they go well together

[hollow epoch]

BIS Gear on the Method website has a sword listed for main hand in m+ (Interrogator’s Flensing Blade) - comparing to wowhead guide would it be the dawnbreaker dagger?

[marsh fjord]

i just did a 10 halls after i changed deadly poison to wound poison for the mini boss and holy moly. thats broken. i couldnt spatter. but the mini boss dies in like 20 seconds

[normal mist]

You dont play 2 characters at the same time, it literally does not matter what characters you play, it has to make sense to you and you only

[golden loom]

well you cannot mutilate unless you have 2 daggers 😎

[dense cedar]

dw about bis gear

[hollow epoch]

Indeed haha confusing comparing the both

[golden loom]

but the bis lists are not to be looked at

[warm vortex]

On pace to time a 10 key and the druid dcs on pull

[raw marlin]

i find it hard to keep 1 toon uptodate, how the fuck people doing 2-3-4 and being actually compeititve is beyond me

[warm vortex]

Then we go again, and he dcs again

and again

and now he has been dced for like 5 min

[golden loom]

(if the guide writers were allowed to remove bis lists they would but they are good for money for the websites)

[dense cedar]

at least it will count for vault

[warm vortex]

It won't

If he doens't come back

[dense cedar]

well

i belive

[warm vortex]

Cause he is still dced

[dense cedar]

in druid

will grow a flower in their wiring

[raw marlin]

we all hate druids here

they are weak ass stealthers

[dense cedar]

to help with internet connection

I will never be cruel to kitty rogues

[raw marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/rivals-of-waterdeep-dnd-mahrudeboi-gif-26323052

[warm vortex]

I am going to like

Stick my head in a cement mixer if he doens't come back

I need to do 10s on my other char aswell >:(

[raw marlin]

is it tank or healer?

[warm vortex]

Healer

[raw marlin]

lol

[normal mist]

because we're talking about casual play and not end end raiders/m+ pushers

[raw marlin]

just use more kingsbane?

[dense cedar]

i legit can't ever get around to playing more than 1 character early on

i just wanna press rogue buttons

i don't wanna gear something that can't do taht rn

[raw marlin]

as in, its impossible to keep one geared for pushing etc? but what is uptodate if not that? lol

[grim jay]

Just have more time to invest into the game, as easy as that

[golden loom]

I wanted to gear demon hunter aswell but I have done 65 keys on rogue

[fallow canopy]

you just play an unholy amount of hours

[raw marlin]

no

[golden loom]

so I am stuck--

[gray hazel]

Is it a big difference if you netherprisim every 1.5m compared to 3?

seeing some top logs and peeps are doing 1.5m

[warm vortex]

He styill isn't back

[normal mist]

One of the big problems we as players that actually do content that is considered "endgame" don't notice is that there is a big % of the playerbase that plays characters and dont interact with even mid level keys or normal raid

[warm vortex]

All our specs (minus tnak) are 3 dps so nobody can spec swap to healer either

[normal mist]

they can have a lfr/normal char ready really quickly xD

[raw marlin]

yyh but that isnt.. up to date, that is just.. a shit character in that case i have 500 up to date characters

[normal mist]

basically

[dense cedar]

65...

[golden loom]

30 floodgates no pacemaker 😎

[warm vortex]

In about 5 runs total this season i got 1 on both chars

[normal mist]

smh

[warm vortex]

:>

[nocturne quail]

Got it in 4

[dense cedar]

our key has legit never changed into an eco-dome its fucked

[normal mist]

i did 2 9's eco and got my lily :3

[golden loom]

no lily either

[nocturne quail]

11 for me

[golden loom]

😎

[grim jay]

But thats how they do it

[dense cedar]

i've gotten 2 3/6 trinkets

so im golden from 6+s

[warm vortex]

He still isn't back btw

[dense cedar]

but no drops yet

[warm vortex]

also royal i love how you still have your undermine car on the bars X)

[raw marlin]

no 2x toons can be the same unless they are doing splits

[fallow canopy]

I'm using the shitty eco dome trinket because I have nothing else

not lily, the claw

[golden loom]

I got the claw and a signet as my only 2 trinkets but my season 2 pacemaker outsims the claw to narnia

[wind totem]

Am I stupid or something? Why is the tier set reducing KB cd by 5 seconds only?

[fallow canopy]

for me is kinda equal to my 684 pacemaker

which is funny af

[grim jay]

Im done with gear as far as m+ goes once I get my other ring

[weary holly]

A rogue friend just had a bug on assassination where he did not get back any energy from dots in combat just after starting the key. he showed me on dummies to he just went out of energy in 5target full dots. is that a known bug ?

[wind totem]

DId he have poisons?

[golden loom]

was it the famous bug of poisons running out after 1 hour

[normal mist]

shhh

[weary holly]

yes he showed on dummies poisons were on

[normal mist]

video please

[grim jay]

Did he have the RIGHT poisons

Thats the better question

[mental flicker]

“Use Rupture .. during Indiscriminate Carnage until all notable enemies have Rupture. …. It's not necessary to make sure Rupture is present on all mobs.” + “spreading bleeds to ensure you have … maximum stacks of Scent of Blood” …. I think I got spoilt last season with Cleave … we need to be meticulous about 10 stacks to max dmg if the packs are big enough to support it? I get antsy to get to my spatter, maybe wrongly

[waxen oyster]

cleave wasnt even good last season

[raw marlin]

i have 2set, in fatebound raid build am i shivving to cover all of/end of kingsbane?

[grim jay]

Dont let zeross hear that

[waxen oyster]

scent only stacks to 5

[weary holly]

i mean im no rogue expert but we were playing 10s all day and this was the only time it happened

no idea was just making sure it wasnt a known bug

[normal mist]

2set you cover all of kb, first 8 + last 8

[mental flicker]

Correct. Cleave was fantastic last season

[grim jay]

Cant tell what went wrong unless Video or log, but it aint a known bug

[weary holly]

yeah i guess. thank you for confirming though. sadly we did not take a video but my first idea was his poisons so we went dornogal dummies and he streamed it and at least poisons were on

[waxen oyster]

Only in 20+ keys

[mental flicker]

It’s not 2% up to 20%?

[grim jay]

Cleave is still using scent tho

[shy axle]

fatebound kingsbane usage and shiv without dm is also just shiv -> kb and 2nd shiv for the last 8 seconds of kb?

[waxen oyster]

If you were playing cleave below 15 keys you were trolling hardcore.

[normal mist]

each stack is 4%

each rupture is 4% so you want 5 ruptures to get 20% agility buff

[mental flicker]

Thank you!

[normal mist]

to be fair the talent itself is pretty clear

[mental flicker]

Misinformation abounds

[normal mist]

thats from wowhead or something?

[raw marlin]

1 point and 2 point

[normal mist]

oh

right

1/2 points

[mental flicker]

I see that now but didn’t when I was in wowhead

[raw marlin]

@balmy condor what did you say the build was for streets if i went FB, do i take CT? and if so what?

[wind totem]

As fatebound, after the opener do I just save vanish for every second DM?

[normal mist]

whispyr is probably sleeping

[waxen oyster]

it clearly says 2/2 on the talent on wowhead

[raw marlin]

can you answer for me then 😄

[normal mist]

You'd think i know things

[raw marlin]

ill find his message i guess

[normal mist]

if you do

share

bcs i really dont know

thanks homie

[raw marlin]

it is here

but no CT?

[analog field]

I played cleave in streets+10 didn't feel very nice although I didn't lose mark I still was not doing so much dmg

[astral gorge]

yo i play 2pc old 2pc new and heard that assa use manaoil on weapons is that right?

[normal mist]

yes

[raw marlin]

for raid

[astral gorge]

m+ not?

[raw marlin]

sim it

[normal mist]

it doesnt matter really

[raw marlin]

me casually waiting for a token to sell so i can buy raid consumables...

https://tenor.com/view/sussa-gif-5432297967573209335

[astral gorge]

ok ok i sim it thx, then i also have to sim weapon enchant?

[waxen oyster]

difference is minor but yeah you can

[raw marlin]

use guile

for raid

[main bridge]

another muffin 👀

[indigo epoch]

Why FB in any key? Isn't it trash?

[astral gorge]

Hahahah funny xD

[raw marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/muffin-cute-wink-animated-adorable-gif-7279870

[raw marlin]

yh but streets is more trash

[normal mist]

it is

[raw marlin]

lose mark 400 times in multiple boss fights

packs arent that big

[restive falcon]

What ilvl ring do we need to replace jastor

[raw marlin]

sim it

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[restive falcon]

I can’t rn

Work yk

[normal mist]

wait until you can

[restive falcon]

That’s why I’m asking

[raw marlin]

then you dont need to know lol

[static glacier]

should have ic, scent and sudden

you drop ap / zoldyck

you also take ct

[main bridge]

no one can do it for you - it's specific to your gear

that's the point of a sim

[raw marlin]

yh you have way to many points, dropping ap/zol doesn't give me CT plus SD, and IC lol

[waxen oyster]

Bro doesn't have the vpn+raidbots login on the ready.

smfh

[dense cedar]

723 ring :)

[glacial relic]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[robust axle]

Me stupid, do we dry shiv as Fatebound 4p?

[waxen oyster]

I'd just play sub if mark is that awful to manage

[raw marlin]

let me just check the last time i played sub was

https://tenor.com/view/blow-dan-oconnor-four-year-strong-brain-pain-song-removing-dust-gif-25025337

[dense cedar]

sub fun

[waxen oyster]

i play it in delves

[dense cedar]

sub seems less(?) fun with tier

[waxen oyster]

You get to coup twice

with tier

[raw marlin]

i dont know what a coup once is

[waxen oyster]

Ok old man

[dense cedar]

you gotta do heinous things to make it not suck

[raw marlin]

dont assume m age

[spice surge]

Wdym

[normal mist]

dry shiv was thanks to deathstalker

[spice surge]

The double coup slaps

[dense cedar]

thought it sometimes requied an St shuriken to do it

cos of unseen

like

defs not the end of the world

but still silly

[spice surge]

I mean its slightly better to sometimes storm inbetween yes, but its not a big deal

[dense cedar]

I do have to say

I like that BP is a lower target amount now

I've been swapping to sub for dawnbreaker runs

since you do maybe like

3 pulls? in the entire thing

[timber creek]

Which target should i pick on Soul Hunters for my Deathstalkers Mark?

[cursive hatch]

you get to use 1 shiv at the end of your kingsbane only window

[dense cedar]

darksorrow

[raw marlin]

@vestal wren have you done a 3 hour video on sub or you slacking?

[boreal mist]

should we attempt to keep garotte on at least one of the other soul hunters or just ruptures

[burnt star]

Do u need energy?

[static glacier]

Just go on wowhead and copy the m+ “cleave” build

Or just play bleed anyway, demise maxing is really good on some of the non elite mobs that truck the tank

There’s opportunities to pull mobs into all the bosses for funnel

[raw marlin]

not in a pug there isnt

[royal lantern]

i mean, you keep garrote on your current target

you just dont "Multi dot" with non-stealth garrotes

cus you cant do that anyway

[lunar pond]

Non idiot tanks always pull mobs in for funnel, but then ret just tries to pad and ruins everything

[royal lantern]

you guys pug

and then complain about non-optimized gameplay

[lunar pond]

Rets bane of this game

[lunar pond]

Some of us don’t have friends

[royal lantern]

then make some

playing wow Pug only sounds like a miserable time, the game is not made to be played with randoms

[lunar pond]

TBF pugged to resil 18s then broke for mount month, it isn’t that terrible but rets are stupid at all levels of gameplay

[raw marlin]

bro i hate this fucking mindset, i have more people on my friends list than most that doesnt mean a 5 stack is possible, everyone is at the exact level.. we arent all 12 year old kids or 40 year old virgins.. some of us pug

[royal lantern]

then join a fucking guild of like minded players or start adding good players you find in your groups

[lunar pond]

I’m in a guild

[royal lantern]

shut up with your excuses

[raw marlin]

in a good guild

been in HoF guilds

added people

doesnt mean everyone is online

[royal lantern]

its no "mindset"

its your choice to play with randoms, and if you play with randoms you literally have to expect the worst and cant complain about it

[raw marlin]

legit prob have higher rated people in my group of friends than you lol, doesnt mean noone ever doesnt pug or wants to

[raw marlin]

youre complaning about the complaning, so youre mindset is shit too.. some people play when they can play

[royal lantern]

oh look

"you complain about MY complaining, so actually you are wrong"

the best argument in the world

[raw marlin]

i wasnt even complaining

i just hate the 'get fwendds noob'

[jaunty sky]

[static glacier]

idk, I've been pugging and most tanks pull mobs into atleast 2 of the bosses

[prime pulsar]

should my focus always be to have a shiv ready for the last 8 seconds of kingsbane?

[raw marlin]

yh

[lunar pond]

I was making a joke, a bad one. I assume I’m not being targeted by your slander

[royal lantern]

kingsbane dmg is backloaded, yes you want shiv for the back half of it if you have only 1 charge

[static glacier]

I think people overstate how bad pugs are, they can be really bad but that's like 1/10 runs

[raw marlin]

yh most are fine

[royal lantern]

^

[prime pulsar]

why does the guide say to use shiv and tea within the last 8 seconds?

[static glacier]

most are fine and some runs are really good

[light grove]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[waxen oyster]

I saw a resto shaman with a caster offhand

it was 720 with ascendance

[raw marlin]

damage goes up

[prime pulsar]

because you get one more attk from the energy gained in the window or something else?

[lunar pond]

Is this bad? Wait shield yeah nvm

[jaunty quarry]

hey which one is better trinket signet or Cursed stone ?

[raw marlin]

sim

[lunar pond]

Stone is 💩. The cast is annoying

[waxen oyster]

Yeah losing free armor for no reason.