assassination

[drifting cloud]

thats like 8 quest chains combined

[humble verge]

not long enough

[drifting cloud]

theyre not available

[keen spruce]

[humble verge]

im excited

[jaunty sky]

Yeah sorry you can only do about 35 rn

[humble verge]

for legio nremix

[thorn thorn]

No evoker in legion remix

Rip me

[humble verge]

btw this is a pretty good WA

[thorn thorn]

Am very sad about it

[jaunty sky]

U farming transmog or

[humble verge]

its rep WA

[jaunty sky]

What level u at

[hollow fulcrum]

if i dont have 2 or 4 piece should i still play fatebound for st

[humble verge]

like 6

[jaunty sky]

Yes

[humble verge]

i havent bothered that much

[jaunty sky]

I think im 8

Only bees and rares and main quest

[humble verge]

i forgot to do

last resets weekly rep quest

meh.

[jaunty sky]

The cool set is from rares anyways

[mental sky]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[humble verge]

where the fuck is the water going

my back?

makes sense

[hollow fulcrum]

ok so im 672 ilvl, no tier at all, dogshit trinkets, 678 and 671 daggers, no enchants, new cloak, belt and im doing like 1.5k

in st

wtf

[humble verge]

1,5m u mean?

[hollow fulcrum]

i feel like i 100% should be doing more damage

ye 1.5m

[humble verge]

but also

if u have no tier

u do dogshit damage

tier is a lot of dps usually

whatever tier it is

[winged sun]

ass

[hollow fulcrum]

ah ok makes sense

so im lowkey kinda useless until at least 2 piece

[jaunty sky]

Yeah and ST is not assa job

Unless you pull shit on boss

[hollow fulcrum]

what spec is better for st

sub?

[jaunty sky]

Outlaw and sub

[hollow fulcrum]

sooooooo swap sub is what im hearing

for st

[jaunty sky]

In m+?

[hollow fulcrum]

no in raid

[jaunty sky]

Oh

Nah just fatebound it

I only tried sub on dimensius and araz cause theyre annoying to handle with DS

[errant heath]

!items

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[waxen oyster]

idk we kind of truck in raid rn

Just dont look at details pre execute

[sharp viper]

good advice

[waxen oyster]

We absolutely ascend sending a dm in execute range

[jaunty sky]

I was dead for the last minute on soulbinder hc and was still 5th

Insane assa fight tbh

So fun

[waxen oyster]

I think someone posted like

a 7m soulbinder hc

with 2p

[jaunty sky]

I just gotta stop running into balls

[waxen oyster]

fuck fatebound though

rng ass tree

[hollow fulcrum]

maybe if i used shiv properly

[jaunty sky]

I was at likr 5.8 before i died

Still had a dm coming up

[waxen oyster]

Yeah dm at the end is the real climb

[hollow fulcrum]

do we ever vanish in st

[jaunty sky]

Yeah

On FB for coins

[waxen oyster]

Only as fatebound

[hollow fulcrum]

when should i cast it

[jaunty sky]

On DS if u fucked up mark

Or need to move it

[waxen oyster]

Before your first spender after hitting kb

[hollow fulcrum]

do i vanish during opener or

ah ok

[waxen oyster]

to continue matching edge case

[hollow fulcrum]

do you just hit mutilate in vanish or ambush

[jaunty sky]

Ambush

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure its close

sometimes you just vanish env though if the kb put you at 5+

[granite sentinel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[waxen oyster]

fatebound is so stupid

sometimes you just open 8m

from chain tails flipping

[hollow fulcrum]

can i macro vanish into kb

or is it on the gcd

[waxen oyster]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[humble verge]

wait so we arent casting kb in vanish?

wait

vanish in kb i mean

[waxen oyster]

Does it really matter

vanish just makes the next flip 2 of the same doesnt it

[humble condor]

couldve been my log, ran 2+2 there

[waxen oyster]

was @golden loom

[humble condor]

its just perma blasting, so good fight for assa

[waxen oyster]

Most of the raid is

[oblique slate]

Should we try to finish with 7CP always or is 5+ fine as it is?

[waxen oyster]

[humble condor]

5, 7 only with DN

[oblique slate]

thank you

real question, do you guys play this spec just cause its the strongest or do you find it the most fun?

[waxen oyster]

If i didnt play for fun i wouldnt be playing melee

Ranged is so easy and does more

[hollow fulcrum]

OK

IM FIGURING IT OUT

im only doing 2.2k but

[livid dagger]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[livid dagger]

can anyone link a simple w/a for just tracking Deathstalkers mark and Darkest night

[main bridge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[livid dagger]

right ...

[main bridge]

like any of these will show them

[livid dagger]

i did that too

i was just asking , if anyone had a stand alone for just that

[main bridge]

you can take it out of them

every WA pack is made of individual auras

[livid dagger]

for sure thanks for your input muffin

if anyone has one thanks !

[main bridge]

i gave you the answer lmao

[waxen oyster]

Guy needs help putting his pants on

[main bridge]

fr

imagine acting like that when i gave you the exact answer

like he wants me to go do it for him

[livid dagger]

i asked a question and you linked something other than the answer

[main bridge]

no i didn't

[livid dagger]

just shut if you dont have it

[main bridge]

mods?

[waxen oyster]

also cant you just search on wago

[normal mist]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/908700390743216138/1406790600992493659/horse_eye_zoom_small_1.gif

[waxen oyster]

this is peak laziness

[zenith tree]

You can very easily take one of the larger WAs and strip out the deathstalkers mark and darkest night procs :)

[waxen oyster]

and entitlement

[main bridge]

yup that's what i said and he told me to shut up

[waxen oyster]

its not like wa packs are created to brick if removed from the group

[normal mist]

Guys shut the fuck up

and give him a STANDALONE wa

Install it also on his pc

and play his game

Jesus

you guys never help

Toxic community

[main bridge]

[livid dagger]

or just dont chirp up if you dont have it

[normal mist]

RIGHT

FFS that muffin guy

[waxen oyster]

I just looked for fun

took 30 seconds to go on the wago url

and find 5

[waxen oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/dented-head-head-smile-gif-12205170

[main bridge]

don't chirp up unless you're going to go to his house, install it on his PC, and get KSM for him

[normal mist]

i got you bro

[nova kelp]

NO

[hollow fulcrum]

oil or weapon stones

[nova kelp]

Did I miss drama?!

[normal mist]

smh...

[normal mist]

you can sim that actually

[hollow fulcrum]

but like

[strange python]

erm he didnt ask you to show a search, he asked you to give him the weakaura directly smh these mods

[nova kelp]

Sim it. Its a little up in the air ATM. Oil if you need more crit

[hollow fulcrum]

with no sim

ah ok

[normal mist]

FUCK SAKE YOUR RIGHT

I should be demoted

[strange python]

JFC MAN DO IT RIGHT

[hollow fulcrum]

tf is the oil even called

[normal mist]

algari

mana

oil

[strange python]

LOG IN, INSTALL IT, INV HIM, LINK HIM THE WA IN CHAT, MOVE ON

[nova kelp]

Ahem... You're*

[normal mist]

Idk if you ever used capslock on your phone

it ignores stuff like that

[nova kelp]

YOU'RE

[normal mist]

The phone KNOWS you're mad

[nova kelp]

Hahahaha

[normal mist]

and any and all mistakes are intentional

[strange python]

phone aimed to make you look stupid while mad, happens to the best of us

[normal mist]

so the other person feels the madness

[nova kelp]

I wish I could just type with my mind

I could do the ole transcribe from voice but
1 fuck that it doesn't understand shit
And 2 I would probably be arrested

[tawny shell]

https://i.imgur.com/kFdcTYd.png Very good taz deathless reward item.

[wispy iris]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[jaunty sky]

How long did u take

Also gz

[tawny shell]

like an hour and 10 mins prolly. Waiting for lusts. ty

[hollow fulcrum]

if youre playing deathstalker raid cleave like naazindhri do you do basically the same rotation as when youre fatebound

[nova kelp]

I wanna do hm taz. But idk if my guildies or my heart can take it

We'd get to the last boss and just all require hospital

[jaunty sky]

I do wish you could practice it

[normal mist]

in theory it is good

[jaunty sky]

Like forfeit reward for this run to actually practice it

[nova kelp]

Seriously. Keeping the no death clause is just like... Terrorising the community.

[jaunty sky]

But i guess we can just fail this week and get item next week

[tawny shell]

at 723 itll be 5k dps

[jaunty sky]

Woulda gotten that shit on use one anyways

[tawny shell]

[nova kelp]

The problem is there's so many little things you gotta be careful of

Like... Oh sorry were you standing THERE when I talked to the vendor? You died

[slim copper]

!consumables

alch chaos and oils?

[candid sun]

Obvious krill issue

[hallow glade]

quick question is there much reason to hold prism on fb

[silent pond]

so FB is the play boys?

before i swap all my stuff

[nova kelp]

Just one reason
Big
Big
Dam

[hallow glade]

removing from macro

please god dont let me forget it

[jaunty sky]

Whispyr recommended to macro to vanish and use vanish as a 3min cd

[hollow fulcrum]

what is the lowest amount of combo points we should be using for envenom

[nova kelp]

5

[hollow fulcrum]

im assuming 5 for fatebound but should i go higher or doesnt rlly matter

[main bridge]

for both DS and FB it depends on whether DN is up - if DN is up, then you want full combo points

for FB 5 is fine (and it has no DN)

[balmy condor]

generating on 5 is a dps loss because of overcap

[hollow fulcrum]

what is dn

ah ok

[main bridge]

Darkest Night

[spice surge]

Darkest Night (deez nuts)

[hollow fulcrum]

oh ok meakes sense

[nova kelp]

HOW have I never... Deez... Nuts...

Fuck

[nova kelp]

I'm such a failure

[humble verge]

idk

[odd python]

is crit > mastery or crit == mastery now ?

and how much do I need it ? (crit)

[hollow fulcrum]

how much of an increase is 2 piece and 4 piece

[main bridge]

no stats just sim top gear

[nova kelp]

Sim>stats>streamer said so

[fluid lagoon]

yo can you suggest some good energy/cp weakaura to use with casualaddict wa

[proven willow]

can search them on the wa site

[fluid lagoon]

tried to

[proven willow]

its a bunch of glowing dots its personal pref

[fluid lagoon]

everything looks so ass

[proven willow]

they wont be alone itll be part of a big pacck

and youll have to delete everything besides it for the good ones

[fluid lagoon]

oh true

didnt think of that xd

thanks

[proven willow]

np i use his ui too its bis

[fluid lagoon]

for sure

the only thing missing is energy bar and cp

cuz i dont like looking at my frame

[proven willow]

i havent addedone yet but youre convincing me

[fluid lagoon]

found decent one

can link in dm

[proven willow]

yeah send ill accept

[umbral sierra]

we getting a cata charge on tuesday?

[hallow glade]

oh this fb shit is so buggy

i had deathmark back at like 1:10

[proven willow]

every other week so negative

[humble verge]

@zenith elm

[hollow fulcrum]

should i wait till fault tuesday before catalyzing anything

vault*

[thorn thorn]

I always miss the fun stuff

[acoustic roost]

Probably

[normal mist]

True and real

[thorn thorn]

I love to rage bait

[craggy ruin]

toxic community

[thick kettle]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[humble verge]

depends

are you a rwf guild? sure

[hollow fulcrum]

good point

[humble verge]

are you a casual wow player? just use em on 701 hc

[hollow fulcrum]

my guild is also prioing core raiders not new guys

ah ok

[humble verge]

like

[thorn thorn]

Very

[humble verge]

were trying for hof

but i still used both if mine

to get 4p

[hollow fulcrum]

we get 2

?

[thorn thorn]

You have a guild now? 👀

[acoustic roost]

If there’s also no raid the next couple days, you can just wait so you don’t Cata a spot in the vault

[hollow fulcrum]

i mean im pugging normal;

but after this if i dont get a piece im waiting

im waiting eitherway ig

cuz im not doing heroic

[acoustic roost]

1 charge this week + 1 charge from either AOTC/2k mythic io/1600? pvp rating

[hollow fulcrum]

ohhhh shit yea i forgor

yea my rogue isnt 2k yet

or even close

[vocal cradle]

if i dont have new 4set should i still play fatebound?

[acoustic roost]

Yes. Also sim.

[buoyant herald]

Definitely sim, fatebound should be ahead without tier and with 2pce it’s way ahead

For raid

[spice lagoon]

did a bad key i suck at rogue must take some time i was below tank damage lmao

ive been studying rotation for hours

[balmy condor]

spread bleed spam envenom

[safe ore]

Is the new tier even worth trying to get? It seems to bad compared to S2. It's only simming like +100k for me

[hollow fulcrum]

this evoker won 3 tier pieces

wtf

[hallow glade]

is 4pc cdr bugged

i thought i read that a while back

[spice surge]

Yes

Sometimes you just get an extra -30s on deathmark

[buoyant herald]

But not another 15 on KB?

[spice surge]

Its not permanently -30s

[spice lagoon]

its sometimes is super impossible because of moving around alot , i think since im undergeared no good trinkets or weap or 2 set hopefully itll get better for me

[spice surge]

Its one use

Idk its just really weird

[buoyant herald]

Oh that’s super weird

[spice surge]

So you end up holding kb for 15s to line it up with DM again

[buoyant herald]

Speaking of bugs

Anyone know if momentum of despair has been fixed yet?

[hallow glade]

i am consistently getting and extra half cdr on kingsbane and deathmark

[spice lagoon]

because i go stealth then ambush 2x garrote , 3x rupture?

[hallow glade]

like kingsbane 8s earlier deathmark 15s early

half of my pulls 🙈

[red zealot]

Are we ST or M+ for Forgeweaver

[balmy condor]

wowhead.com has builds for each boss

(you take caustic and that's it)

[slim copper]

wish me luck in heroic tn boys

[red zealot]

No additional vanish?

[earnest pilot]

what's the optimal way to use shiv with fatebound 4pc with it getting desynced

if you only get 1 shiv is it better to shiv before kb or wait until it's stacked

[balmy condor]

on forgeweaver? no

[craggy ruin]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[main bobcat]

bro this cleave boss in ecodome tilts me ngl

skill issue just need to have darkest night ready when it switches but man

if I don't and have no vanish I'm COOKED

[nova kelp]

Its like a dark souls game. Just do it right and don't get anything wrong. Easy

[main bobcat]

actually real

I am failing due to my own shortcomings as a player

bro did you see prot war damage in keys

this spec is not okay

[thorn thorn]

Prot warrior pretty well known for the damage it does at this point

[main bobcat]

why do you hate caustic

[nova kelp]

Don't complain about strong specs in this channel. You'll summon the droolers from every other discord

"OMG SIN OP"

[fallow canopy]

naazindhri damage taken goes insano mode

[main bobcat]

it's kinda true ngl

in keys at least

but yeah

maybe they'll lock down their channels also

[nova kelp]

Noone will disagree really

But the droolers will say you did

[cunning needle]

imagine sin rogues complaining when it's the meta rogue in m+ for the 5th season in a row

(sub rogue acutally not looking bad this tier though)

[wide gorge]

is there a tech to stack prism before a raid boss? or does it reset once the boss start?

[nova kelp]

Sub honestly looking UNDER appreciated ATM imo

[cunning needle]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[covert elbow]

I tried to play it, but im just not good enough to perform yet. I just started playing a rogue for raiding this season. So, a bit overwhelming all at once

[thorn thorn]

Cuz its lame asf

[main bobcat]

real

[main bridge]

what's lame about it?

[thorn thorn]

In general im just not a fan that all the rogue specs have their own version of blade flurry

[fallow canopy]

ethical boss dmg

[thorn thorn]

I would rather something a bit more interesting than "you do ST Dam and do aoe dam too ig"

[main bridge]

i like being able to deal AOE damage

[thorn thorn]

Like its good

I just think its a lame way of doing aoe

It feels too similar to link

[main bobcat]

would you rather have caustic be something you keep up on each enemy

[slim copper]

are we able to upograde belt anymore past 701

[main bobcat]

mutilate each guy separately

[thorn thorn]

Very ethical

[main bobcat]

just to feel something

[thorn thorn]

I would rather a lot of things actually

[main bobcat]

like those guys poking holes with chopsticks into food on a grill

[thorn thorn]

I liked spatter a lot more when it was also a vehicle for KB to do damage

[main bobcat]

that'd be you bro

[nova kelp]

Caustic is v stronk. But like. I get it.

I understand

[thorn thorn]

Yea its an objectively strong form of aoe

But its just

idk

I dont think its very fun

[nova kelp]

Yeah

I think I agree from a design standpoint

[fallow canopy]

it could be that with fb with this tier set but then again its fb on aoe

kb goes hard on fb

[thorn thorn]

Like I get the idea they had

I liked spatter more when KB was strong and it was a vehicle for KB to do damage

[nova kelp]

Its hard to separate the design from people's feel of the throughput. Not that peeps would necessarily agree either way

[thorn thorn]

But thats really only the case now in raid and on the few keys you can realistically run hybrid

[thorn thorn]

If only FB didnt nerf itself in aoe

[fallow canopy]

if only

[nova kelp]

If only fb didn't sound like a grannies purse

[thorn thorn]

Im not saying the spec would be 100% better without spatter because the spec has undeniably benefitted from its addition

I personally am just not content with its current design

[nova kelp]

I think there's an argument that it both exemplifies and encourages our... "Target stickiness"

[coral ibex]

!loot

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[nova kelp]

That's not to say it's necessarily a BAD thing

Just a thing

[thorn thorn]

Just personally I would much rather KB be a bigger part of the spec

Cuz spatter for me has felt extremely hollow without it since its basically just envenom doing reasonable damage for it

[nova kelp]

I just want my big dots back 😭

[thorn thorn]

I recognize im probably the minority

[gritty sequoia]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
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Whispyr's Plater

[thorn thorn]

I just like KB

And im pissy it got nerfed still

[nova kelp]

I don't think you're that alone in liking big kb

[quaint spindle]

am I reading this right; only go netherprism on fate bound?

[jaunty sky]

I think theres some design choices you could make to have both bleeds and KB + spatter work a lot better

[nova kelp]

Most people aren't specifically fans of envenom bot

[jaunty sky]

But those require putting dev hours into rogue

Which isnt a high priority it seems

[thorn thorn]

If I designed the tree I would split it between poisons and bleeds, and something down the middle

And KB on the poisons side

CT on the bleeds

[main bobcat]

I've only played sin as an alt for a couple seasons now and if kb was strong it would be very weird for most people, a lot of the key levels done are like 12s and in those your target rarely lives a full kb, or even like 2/3 of it

[thorn thorn]

Probably ass tree setup

[nova kelp]

I don't think it's a Dev time thing.

I think the Devs are working towards a specific design goal ATM. Beyond that who knows

[uneven plume]

What do you guys think about cataing two heroic pieces this week?

[main bobcat]

I think the best play being a very long ramping dot is a bit cringe imo

higher keys will let you get full value of kb if hybrid was very good but like

idk

most people wont even do that and will just feel robbed in keys lol

[jaunty sky]

Yeah i could see some way to combine KB and spatter into some self poison + splash kinda thing

[nova kelp]

Depends

[jaunty sky]

But idk

[main bobcat]

this is purely keys btw idk raid

[thorn thorn]

It didnt have to last the full duration to get decent value from it cuz it was a lot stronger in DF

[main bobcat]

yeah but like

you'll never rly feel good pressing it knowing the last few massive ticks never happen

[thorn thorn]

It was basically a ST nuke that you pressed every minute

[main bobcat]

even if it did do good damage

[thorn thorn]

And it was always noticable when the rogue applied KB to something cuz it would chunk insanely hard

[jaunty sky]

Better idea: reverse stacking kb
Starts at full dmg, dmg per tick goes down but is slowed or halted by poison application

Youd still want a target to live the whole thing

But it doesnt feel horrible if it doesnt

[main bobcat]

then you'll become a worse dev evoker wanting to have your damage running frame 1

with tricks its fine ig

[thorn thorn]

DM lasts longer than kb

More likely to be cut off early

[jaunty sky]

Idk kingsbane makes the afflicted target dmg immune for the duration to all dmg not attributed to the KB caster

There u go

[thorn thorn]

Alternatively

[uneven plume]

got 2 pieces already. can get 4pc tonight

[thorn thorn]

Rework the stacks to just be accumulated passively, increasing the damage of your next KB

[uneven plume]

not too sure if its w.e to wait tues

[thorn thorn]

And reduce its duration to 7 seconds and tick every second

[jaunty sky]

I think id wait for myth track from vault

[thorn thorn]

If you wanna get fancy, reduce the cd too and just make the stacks harder to get

[jaunty sky]

Unless youre hard pushing keys/RWF until reset

[fallow canopy]

Are you raiding or hard pushing these days before tues?

[nova kelp]

If you can get 4 piece from sending then it's worth. BUT if you don't have any prog left to do in the week I'd wait. Just in case you get a good myth piece etc.

[uneven plume]

no more prog in raid but want to get 3300 by tues

can be a boost

[nova kelp]

Well it will help with that

This late in the week though

[uneven plume]

yah thats what i was thinking

[nova kelp]

I'd still say hold off

[fallow canopy]

yea

[thorn thorn]

That sounds omega troll

[tall atlas]

Wouldn’t work in pvp

[nova kelp]

Like I can't talk. I DID sent my 2. But I did it day 2 for 4 piece to push prog fast as I could

Technically I could argue I still did the wrong thing. I just don't really care

My track record with vaults suggests I'm staring down 3 bracers a pair of boots and a cape most likely

[jaunty sky]

I mean it is

Next idea that def works

KB takes all unrealized dmg at current stack lvl and puts it into next poison bomb

[red zealot]

Do you want to maintain bleeds on the other hunters or just ST one and use caustic

[jaunty sky]

When it expires bc enemy died

[nova kelp]

Back to antorus?

"Pb proc! TANK DONT MOVE!"

[misty holly]

You guys are cooking way too hard on this Kingsbane stuff. Keep it simple. Make kingsbane a passive that simply increases all damage by 35% against any mob with King, Prince, or similar royalty title in their name.

[nocturne quail]

changing KB ?

no thanks

[thorn thorn]

[hexed root]

anyone know how taz loot is working exactly?

[nova kelp]

You don't even want df S3 kB back?

[hexed root]

is ornate neck dropping form both?

[jaunty sky]

Yeah or it just explodes into caustic spatter proc

Idk

[balmy condor]

if you do m+ it's split by boss the same as anything else, the myth item you get from hm m0 taz is all bosses

[nocturne quail]

well now that you mention it\

[hexed root]

i swore i've seen neck drop from gambit

when its a street bos

s

[nova kelp]

You know what I want back for sin?

Shadowdance

[jaunty sky]

Idk that felt weird

[nova kelp]

Class tree dance was a thing of beauty. Sorry for all the sub mains losing their identity. There's only 7 of them though

[thorn thorn]

Idk Shadowdance was a lil

It would be nice to have with current version of IC

[nova kelp]

Imagine moving DSM on a 1 min cd with vanish as a backup

I just climaxed

[woven trout]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[nova kelp]

Stats mentioned. I just dried up.

[nocturne quail]

bis stat is agi so based

[tawdry thunder]

where can i post a log for review in this discord?

I think my damage is pretty bad and I want some feedback on what I can improve on

[errant heath]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[nova kelp]

I'll take wdps. But agi isn't bad.

[thorn thorn]

Enh getting more value from haste than mainstat

[nova kelp]

Enh splooges everywhere instantly when someone mentions lust

[main bridge]

delve boss is just resetting now every time i ambush

cool game

[nova kelp]

Oh the vanish ON ambush thing?

[main bridge]

not sure what that is

[nova kelp]

Sorry reset ON ambush I meant

Yeah it's triggering

[main bridge]

only happened when i tricks'd Brann before hand for some reason

[marsh fjord]

Do you have the sands buff

on brann selected

[main bridge]

nope

[marsh fjord]

that gives you crit

it only happend to me when i had the sand buff

[neon viper]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[severe silo]

boe in progress

Is it changed for the 701 belt?

[dense cove]

do you have to press the CB/KB macro 2 times for both abilities to go off?

[severe silo]

I think so, because they have global cd

[thorn thorn]

@normal mist Nerf dragon

[dense cove]

hmm i just tested it on a target dummy outside raid environment, they work with one press of the button

i must be catching myself on a global between my last ability and it's causing only one of them to go off.

[frozen iris]

What do you guys think I should do if I want to try and get CE this tier? I don’t have any recent mythic experience. What should I focus on?

[nocturne quail]

are you in a ce guild

[reef timber]

so is there no benifit to spreading more ruptures in AOE than the 5 needed for SOB ? during vanish

[frozen iris]

No.

[nocturne quail]

you should apply to some

i dm you

[frozen iris]

Getting into one is the goal. And I’m trying. And alright.

[edgy scarab]

Bleed build

[quiet oriole]

What bran buffs yall running?

[main bridge]

healer with Hattarang and Barrier

i think the best option might also depend on the rank of your curios

[haughty flicker]

hatarang goes hard

[slim copper]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3MCqxd18TjFb9VBm?fight=18&type=damage-done&source=13

can someone make me a log thread and assist ❤️

[static glacier]

just played a key with ret

the rumors of its undertuning have been grossly exaggerated

[thorn thorn]

Tell me about it, spec is so overtuned rn

Crazy

[balmy condor]

all their malding is because they got benched in raid

:)

[bronze pike]

its not about keys

[thorn thorn]

: )

[bronze pike]

its about raid

basically

ya

[static glacier]

why would they even be benched? wut

they have a real raidbuff

[bronze pike]

cause damage sucks in raid

[thorn thorn]

You look familiar

[bronze pike]

yes

[balmy condor]

because the individuals in question play in like world #20 guilds

[bronze pike]

^

[balmy condor]

and ret was bad enough to bench

but those losers are one tricks

and so they got benched

and threw a little bitch fit

[static glacier]

imagine being a ret one trick

[thorn thorn]

And closed their discord demanding buffs?

Yep

[bronze pike]

using actual issues to pad the tantrum

[thorn thorn]

All makes sense tbh

[static glacier]

bro I play 1 raid and 2 keys and im good for ret gameplay for like 4 days

[thorn thorn]

Cant say anything critiquing them or their narrative without catching a mute or ban

Very neat discord

[thorn thorn]

Its very minmaxy bro

Trust

[static glacier]

i rocked up, like 10 ilvls below the other boosters last season

all 99s

braindead fucking spec

[thorn thorn]

[static glacier]

the limits of optimisation are judging if hammer of light will fit in next exec or to send

[haughty flicker]

surely this isnt real right

that makes this whole thing so much more cursed

[static glacier]

and even that is piss easy since exec has slike 30% uptime so u 99% of the time can hold

[thorn thorn]

No idea who this is but I 100% agree with him

[haughty flicker]

real

[balmy condor]

god I wish I was kidding

[static glacier]

did I mention that holding hammer of light doesn't stop you generating towards the one after it

[haughty flicker]

we bullied our ret into playing prot for us

[static glacier]

imagine if unseen blade did that

[haughty flicker]

[thorn thorn]

Painfully real

This is only part of it

But it doesnt get any less cringe

[haughty flicker]

oh no i know the discord crap

[static glacier]

is it still closed?

[thorn thorn]

Yes

[static glacier]

surely they opened it

[haughty flicker]

just not the backstory behind it

they made a new channel called buff ret and left the old ones locked

[thorn thorn]

There is no backstory

[static glacier]

bro no fucking way its still closed

the spec is completely fine now

[haughty flicker]

we were just told the backstory

[thorn thorn]

Way

Its still closed

[static glacier]

did they get addicted to the high of being overtuned with fyralath?

and now every tier they better be overtuned or its babyrage?

[balmy condor]

it's not even that it's closed

cause they made new channels

[haughty flicker]

i remember watching race to world last on amirdrassil

[balmy condor]

and said "these are the same channels"

so they just like

archived two channels

and made new replacements

so like

[static glacier]

you know I was telling a ret in my guild that they ended up being buffed to like top 5 st last raid

[balmy condor]

??????

[haughty flicker]

and a ret press legendary axe when the boss was at 5% and wiped the raid because he couldnt move

[thorn thorn]

To push their own narrative

[static glacier]

he said no they weren't strong

[thorn thorn]

Yeh

[haughty flicker]

then the next day he was benched

[balmy condor]

they essentially just fucking renamed the channels lmao

[haughty flicker]

[thorn thorn]

Ret is never beating the allegations of being the biggest crybabies of wow

[balmy condor]

W protest move

[static glacier]

[haughty flicker]

hunter op

[floral vale]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[static glacier]

ah yes

[thorn thorn]

Me when aug was nerfed into being unplayable at the start of S2 but rets cause a whole protest over being 3rd last

[static glacier]

ret that spec that isn't that good

xd

20y melee my fucking ass

[thorn thorn]

I just think its funny

[static glacier]

like I get why the spec is popular, its flashsy easy and you do great burst on 30s cd

[balmy condor]

it's like if instead of gandhi starving himself in the streets he starved himself for 3 hours in front of a mcdonalds before walking in and getting a cheeseburger

[thorn thorn]

Cuz aug got nerfed into being actually unplayable undertuned except for like 3 people in the world

But they are causing a massive stink over being bottom 3

omegalul

[static glacier]

but surely that can't mean you lose any semblance of reality

[thorn thorn]

No we in wyrmrest didnt lose any semblance of reality

Sael just told people to play dev if they didnt wanna be deadweight cuz thats where the spec was for the first third of S2

[bronze pike]

its just a dumb stunt

[static glacier]

the spec was above middle on every fight in 11.1.7

[bronze pike]

but like the response to it is high key also silly in my opinion

but its w/e

[static glacier]

"we've been ignored"

[bronze pike]

i like to think its more than just damage

like fatebound for yall

herald was abandoned

[thorn thorn]

Yea its just an example of extreme delusion to an extent

[static glacier]

how can the argument of one of our hero trees is ignored hold

[thorn thorn]

Like it does nothing but hurt the community

And what reputation it has

[balmy condor]

except they made their entire announcement about damage

[static glacier]

like two thirds of the specs can't choose between hero trees

[balmy condor]

"what's the problem"
damage.

[thorn thorn]

[balmy condor]

that's like almost verbatim

[bronze pike]

the second part of the announcement mentioned herald

[static glacier]

if it was a bug or gameplay

[bronze pike]

but ya

its just

[haughty flicker]

they did quite literally lead off with claiming damage was the issue

[static glacier]

id say fair enough

[bronze pike]

whining

[static glacier]

but dmg tuning

[haughty flicker]

they went on to mention herald but

[bronze pike]

cause no damage and benched in raid

[haughty flicker]

the way they went about it is just insanely cringe

[static glacier]

whispyr we need more from you as our tc

[bronze pike]

i find that insane in general tbh

[static glacier]

and i dont mean sims or dmg optimisations

[balmy condor]

yeah the second part after 400 words of "we don't do damage and my guild hates me now"

[haughty flicker]

hurts people who are actually looking for help right at the start of the tier

[thorn thorn]

Big whoop, plenty of specs have been benched in the past

[bronze pike]

yep

[thorn thorn]

They clearly never played feral

Or WW

[bronze pike]

like i said in other server

[static glacier]

idk, if you bake in reverse funnel into a tree you're setting it up for failure surely

[bronze pike]

im happy ive been let off the leash

[thorn thorn]

Its literally just "Reeeeeee I got benched for once cuz im undertuned reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"

[balmy condor]

it's also just completely delusional if you think blizzard cares whatsoever

[haughty flicker]

yeah it accomplishes absolutely nothing

[thorn thorn]

Or that they had any impact on the recent buff

[balmy condor]

it's like thinking amazon cares if you cancel weekly bingo night at the retirement home

[haughty flicker]

like they were getting that 5% buff regardless of anything they did

[static glacier]

best part is we'll never have confirmation if it mattered (it deffo didn't xd)

so we can meme it to hell

[thorn thorn]

As we should

[balmy condor]

they idea that blizzard would see a class discord crying and hand out a buff is laughable

[thorn thorn]

Every class discord that pulls this kind of stunt deserves the memage it gets

[balmy condor]

they probably do the opposite I'm ngl

[haughty flicker]

i for one will definitely suggest closing the discord any time we arent top dps

[haughty flicker]

yeah this was my thought on it lmao

[static glacier]

nah, no shot blizz would spite their biggest playerbase

[balmy condor]

like just the optics of cry = buff

is crazy

[haughty flicker]

if they react at all it would be to not buff them so this shit isnt encouraged

[balmy condor]

they wouldn't do that

[main bridge]

the worst part about the ret protest is that there are all these people going into other servers and suggesting they "lock down"

[static glacier]

if they'd cave to any spec ingame it would be ret

[haughty flicker]

i do this but for the memes

[static glacier]

don't you want a 5% buff?

[balmy condor]

they still pushed the 5% through because they simply don't care what a class discord does

[thorn thorn]

Yea but here is the thing

[static glacier]

[thorn thorn]

The other class discords (most of them) arent run by a bunch of immature morons

[runic hinge]

we should lock down the pets channel until assa is number 1. think of the sheer outrage

[haughty flicker]

please no

i couldnt handle that

[runic hinge]

Me either

[thorn thorn]

You have officially gone to far

[slim copper]

for soulbinder shouldi be holding DM for large add groups or blow on cd

[balmy condor]

should line up

[haughty flicker]

first set lines up with dm fine

[runic hinge]

okay fine, I'll post a vid of stu begging for mac and cheese

[haughty flicker]

second set you have to hold a tiny bit but on heroic she might just die before then next week

[static glacier]

also i tried the cleave build in streets

basically same dps as bleed

[thorn thorn]

Me when I lie

[haughty flicker]

me when i

[sand otter]

me

idk whast going on i just got here.

hope everyone is well

[thorn thorn]

I think streets might be one to play cleave though tbh

That and dawnbreaker

[static glacier]

dawn has a lot of aoe

[haughty flicker]

just play sub

[static glacier]

id play ol if i had an ok wep for it

[sand otter]

i just did streets and im just playing bleed because i wont be doing higher than 10s and i also suffer from the bad.

[haughty flicker]

real

i suffer from the bad too

[sand otter]

proof of my badness

[static glacier]

oof

[haughty flicker]

oh god ok

you win

[thorn thorn]

Dawnbreaker just has a lot of high health enemies/minibosses you can get good KB value on

But you could also just

Play bleed

[static glacier]

yoooo

[thorn thorn]

Mfw key parses

[sand otter]

keys are being timed and im top on thje meters each pull.... but im not parsing well. so im failing something hard.

[thorn thorn]

[static glacier]

only 2 dmg logs sadge

[thorn thorn]

Key parses are a shit metric

[haughty flicker]

as long as the key is timed you did enough damage

[sand otter]

yeah i timed all these, but they were jsut 2-7s

[haughty flicker]

also the logs you linked are points not damage

[thorn thorn]

Key parses are just a comparison of the level you do for the key

[static glacier]

if im not top of the overall my self worth is diminished and each breath of air I take feels undeserved

[sand otter]

i pug so i either get good groups, or someone leaves after the first 3 pulls. lol

[haughty flicker]

insanely real

[cursive hatch]

funny enough my only damage logs in keys are as sub lol

[static glacier]

[sand otter]

i was the worst rogue in existence in SL. and ive been tryyyying to read/get better

[thorn thorn]

Send log

We look

We critique

You improve

[static glacier]

more dps in aldani than flood is wild

[sand otter]

i THOUGHT i was good back in lich king, but i went to look at my videos from then and cringed so hard i wanted to die.

[static glacier]

you probably were

people were really shit

[dark quiver]

yo anyone got different io scores ingame and in the site?

whats real

[unreal tide]

which would you expect to be real

[dark quiver]

probably ingame one

[cursive hatch]

thats why key logs dont matter, flood was a pug key and aldani was with guildies who also had 4pc

[unreal tide]

I've seen a few ppl commenting on the same thing for io variance, idk the actual answer

[dark quiver]

does that mean we now need to time all 13s to get 3k? =/

[static glacier]

y'know what really got to me

[main bridge]

i think all logs, raid and key, are not necessarily an indicator of good performance. typically the best logs are a combination of performance and padding or people doing degenerate stuff to help the player parse

[static glacier]

there was a 12 streets

I signed for

they took a ret

not me

[sand otter]

i know key logs dont matter but i didnt do too bad in S2

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-25423496

[sand otter]

it at least made me feel like i was improving lol

[lunar gorge]

Do you break 4 set for new 2?

[static glacier]

y

[main bridge]

they removed the pin about tier pieces too soon

[lunar gorge]

yeah i was trying to find it?

you got a picture by chance?

[thorn thorn]

Top of all time

[unreal tide]

just put on new tier

[thorn thorn]

Even when you were more geared

[static glacier]

!tier

[thorn thorn]

Season just started

[prisma monolith]

Get your Season 2 Two Piece immediately, as it is a very powerful gain, stronger than both previous bonuses combined. This is true for both hero talents. The 4 piece is another big step up in dps for both hero talents on top of that.

[thorn thorn]

So naturally your performance will be shittier compared to the masses

[lunar gorge]

❤️ thank you !!

[thorn thorn]

Especially if you compared it to a previous season when you would have easily been more geared

[sand otter]

oh true, i forgot parses comapre to literally everyone else.

well, i dont die, keys get timed an dps go up. im not a Mythic raider and just goal for 10s across thje board and AOTC.

so, im pretty much a casual

[unreal tide]

show delve parses or you're trolling

[sand otter]

i dont think anyone wants to see my delves

thats just.... torture

[thorn thorn]

Thats fine im just saying its being dishonest to yourself to compared your performance to the masses at the start of a season vs last season when you were more geared and had more time

M+ hasnt even been out a week

[sand otter]

i did finally replace my circes yesterday lol.

[sand otter]

yeah true. im just overthinking it.

[bronze pike]

its from that weird things that happen this expansion

[ripe sphinx]

idk what caused this but i was doing priory first pull and caustic wouldn’t proc after hitting mutilate

[split veldt]

this damn thing keeps simming way higher than signet, lily and sacbrood with bleed build wtf lmao

[bronze pike]

the 2 @ everyone this season

[ripe sphinx]

had everything up

[bronze pike]

for silly shit

[ripe sphinx]

and couldn’t proc caustic

[bronze pike]

like dk raid buff

and mage unbanning

[thorn thorn]

Sacbrood nerfed, and signet kinda stinky

Lily is the surprise one

[ripe sphinx]

please help

[static glacier]

was your target ruptured?

[ripe sphinx]

he’s

yes

[static glacier]

wierd

[umbral sierra]

compelting m0 tazavesh gives credit for 1x +10 dungeon on vault ya?

[ripe sphinx]

and i wasn’t swapping mobs either

was just hitting mini boss

[unreal tide]

did not think so, just deathless = mythic gear is awarded at the end of the run

[split veldt]

i finally get good trinket luck with heroic signet, lily, sac and pacemaker and sims are like nah, keep using this random delve trinket lmao

[severe meadow]

big gains out here

[sand otter]

im genuinely happy with the way the heroic set looks.

[errant swallow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[severe meadow]

Yeah the heroic one looks good, not a fan of the color scheme for mythic

[haughty flicker]

i love the mythic set

but i used it to make my own mog instead of full set

full set is whatever

[severe meadow]

I wanna see it with the added effect thing from 2500

[sand otter]

the mythic one remidns me of the legion Mythic set, the offset greenish tone.

[haughty flicker]

well mythic would already have it

[sand otter]

but thje NROAML set loosks so good.

[haughty flicker]

the added effect is the mythic effect

[severe meadow]

oh xd

[sand otter]

and so does the PVP) set.. so im going to slowly grind that out

[severe meadow]

I guess just the green glowing off it?

[sand otter]

i would LOVE the Elite set, but LOL no... thats not happening

[severe meadow]

I mean I guess that's a lil cooler

[sand otter]

Why cant i copy othe string of the spreadsheet on Fuus simsheet....

oh i can on the light version... dark version i cant copy for some reason...

[severe meadow]

skill issue

[sand otter]

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Rogue Collection
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[hot pasture]

we need fatebound fix

[formal pewter]

tf

ive never looked at m+ dungeon logs before

[devout rock]

guys whats happening with exile why hes going crazy

fatebound bugs?

[balmy condor]

pins

[devout rock]

sorry papi

[mental thistle]

should i use momentum of despair or follow the blood in m+ bleed build ?

[devout rock]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
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[jolly stirrup]

I peaked at 15mil DPS yesterday in a priory pull. Man that felt good

And I think I didn't even play it perfectly

[balmy condor]

momentum is bugged currently

should play follow the blood

[haughty flicker]

[cunning needle]

[jolly stirrup]

[haughty flicker]

[thorn thorn]

[balmy condor]

[peak bobcat]

Is it worth to use gildeds on bracers next week or just use the free runes spark and save the gildeds for something else

[haughty flicker]

if you have myth track to send gilded on its almost certainly worth more on that

if you have literally nothing else then ig send gilded craft

[nova kelp]

I'm personally probably crafting a neck tbh but it depends on what your biggest upgrades are

[cunning needle]

save gilded for myth track pieces imo

ideally big stat items as well (chest/legs/shoulders)

or trinkeys

[haughty flicker]

im making free heroic bracers personally

[cunning needle]

yeah

sending gilded on crafted wrists is kinda

wasteful

[nova kelp]

Upgrading my patch item is pretty low priority yeah

[solar wyvern]

In what way?

[worldly nebula]

If you have 4p it's kinda always worth it to craft one of the big stat items with gilded. Personally gonna craft chest

[nova kelp]

The only reason I won't craft chest legs etc is because I know I won't be using them in the long run

But that's a personal option/choice

[haughty flicker]

yeah i like sending bracers bc its just a free slot completed

maybe not the biggest possible upgrade but it feels nice

and can just use gildeds on something else

also if i get a shitter vault i have an item to slam socket on right away

im not hof though so i can do whatever i want

[nova kelp]

I just typically have ATROCIOUS vault luck so I have little faith of seeing a good neck/ring and the options available from raid are HIGHLY sought after.

So they're probably highish priority crafts for me

[haughty flicker]

[nova kelp]

Pure assumption but shall see

[fallow canopy]

Iirc after you shiv it goes to get some milk and cigarettes

And never comes back

[haughty flicker]

[rotund oak]

smoking bad

[haughty flicker]

milk bad too

[rotund oak]

[reef walrus]

!bleed

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +20's or higher, you should play bleed
3. Even if you're doing higher, you should probably play bleed
4. No, Fatebound is not good, you play Deathstalker in every key.

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• 11.2/Season 3: Bleed has gotten stronger through some buffs and the single target damage you get from singular focus is ridiculously good with the tier set. During PTR testing many high end rogues were just playing bleed everywhere.
• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave build is mainly for boss damage (note: not prio, there is no significant difference in prio). Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and some bosses during season 2 were not possible on high keys otherwise. It remains to be seen what push keys in Season 3 will bring in that regard.
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal. Rookery is not in the rotation in Season 3, and there are a lot of AoE dungeons. Dawnbreaker might be a candidate, but unsure currently.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead outside of low target cleave and higher target AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage. At the end of the day, the builds are extremely similar, but Bleed is looking to simply be the best.

[thorn thorn]

Milk bad

[balmy condor]

in the way that it doesn't proc

[thorn thorn]

[rotund oak]

[minor dagger]

is there any gmp guides for this new m+ bleed build? Came back from season 1 using sort of an hybrid build and i dont this bleed build is not performing as i spected

[haughty flicker]

[thorn thorn]

What is a gmp guide

[rotund oak]

bleed new

good one

[thorn thorn]

@balmy condor bleed new bro

Whispyr fotm confirmed

Washed guide writer

[minor dagger]

sorryn but this build was not used in s1

[thorn thorn]

Bleed build shrimple

Spread bleeds, hit ct

Use shiv on cd

Good damage

[haughty flicker]

i heard the chinese made this build

[minor dagger]

for me, at least, is a new build

[peak helm]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[rotund oak]

China bleed green tea build

[rotund oak]

its as old as cleave and hybrid friend

other might have performed better but buffs came out

now its prolly better

[thorn thorn]

It existed in S1 but cleave dominated that season

[minor dagger]

still, didnt use this a single time in s1

[rotund oak]

yeah anyway,its simple

check out the guide or the pins

or both

[minor dagger]

thx

[rotund oak]

yw

[formal pewter]

on the fuu sheet it shows a helmet from halls is possible but i dont see it on the in-game loot

[rotund oak]

fuu sabotage

[formal pewter]

xd

[rotund oak]

xd

[haughty flicker]

fuubotage

[formal pewter]

fax

[balmy condor]

you could just do the other demonic thing on those sims

and craft a helmet

[formal pewter]

lol

[balmy condor]

cause that's a thing one of those does

[haughty flicker]

[fallow canopy]

is the engineering helm still a thing?

[versed cove]

is Crimson Tempest supposed to be my highest dam source using the bleed build?

[rotund oak]

not a bad way to kickstart ur season,can replace later

definitely not bis though

[formal pewter]

that or splatter probably

[versed cove]

ty! relatively new to sin rogue and having a tough time with single target rotation w/ bleed build

(ct question was to make sure my aoe wasn't wrong either)

[balmy condor]

this was a 10 dawnbreaker

11 priory

sometimes caustic pulls ahead

depends on the pulls and the key

(I'm also 2+2 so ya know)

[versed cove]

this is all using the bleed build?

[balmy condor]

yes

[versed cove]

not sure if it's the spec or me but my ST DPS on bosses is just horrendous lol

[snow hamlet]

Bleed build in m5

[bitter solar]

That's pretty normal in keys with bleed build

[formal pewter]

idk

my bleed build single target seems to keep up with most specs

should be better once we get 4 piece

[worldly nebula]

Just Tell ur tank to grab some funnel adds on top of boss

[formal pewter]

that too

[buoyant herald]

i think im drastically under-garrotting

[versed cove]

after opener, basically all im doing is keeping garrote + rup + CT up and only casting while above 150 energy with the occasional shiv / vanish here and there, saving shivs for deathmark

but i feel like my dps severely drops

and dont know what else to be doing during ST fights

[limpid hearth]

Def do not save that much energy in st

[worldly nebula]

Btw @balmy condor on hunters boss, should we keep natty garrotes up on all 3 or just MT?

[versed cove]

so ignore sanguine blades in ST?

[limpid hearth]

Yea youll never cast if you try that lol

[versed cove]

but then i find myself running hella low on energy

[grand trail]

The first boss mythic is little bit scuffed with cds isn't it