you prioritize dn
#assassination
balmy condor
topaz cedar
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balmy condor
dn is higher prio than everything else
zenith coral
perfect sorry for confusing, ty
ebon steppe
After the spatter fix, how much dmg will we lose in m+？
balmy condor
whatever your spatter was before, but 20% less
static glacier
this inc socket or nah
tawdry halo
static glacier
bro
balmy condor
this inc socket or nah
ish
static glacier
im doing it RIGHT NOW
plush delta
how much of an upgrade roughly is the 2p/2p and 4p over last seasons 4p? the sim is showing a loss at same ilvl
balmy condor
how much of an upgrade roughly is the 2p/2p and 4p over last seasons 4p? the sim...
a giga ton
link the sim
visual sun
Wait, was there a spatter fix or inc fix?
strange python
mine simmed a shit ton higher with 2p/2p
balmy condor
Wait, was there a spatter fix or inc fix?
alraedy fixed
strange python
Wait, was there a spatter fix or inc fix?
already fixed
jolly stirrup
Wait, was there a spatter fix or inc fix?
Fixed
I feel like you need to have studied to understand how to sim properly 
balmy condor
it's really not that hard
jolly stirrup
For me it is 
balmy condor
you just click the items you want to sim
jolly stirrup
I have smol brain mkay
tranquil wing
Is it normal for bleed build to lose out ST dps during m+
balmy condor
bleed build ST is bad
tranquil wing
I’m losing to palas 🥲
balmy condor
yes
static glacier
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cUqdPUZ2T5YfQGd4bY4mLP ye im too low on crit to drop this belt
glad ferry
IN opener, my Deathmark cd gets lowered a lot. Which makes my DM cd not synced perfectly with my KB for next bburst window. Do I just wait?
tranquil wing
but then you do 3x their damage in aoe
Yeah that’s my only redeeming factor
balmy condor
IN opener, my Deathmark cd gets lowered a lot. Which makes my DM cd not synced p...
that's the bug, you would play it as 1min cds
glad ferry
what do you mean
static glacier
anyone here play with dr MM a lot?
I swear to god that spec is the least consistent thing i've ever seen
balmy condor
what do you mean
getting that much cdr is a bug
severe orchid
Yeah I checked it. I was just wondering if there was anything else out there.
balmy condor
Yeah I checked it. I was just wondering if there was anything else out there.
3 builds and a wealth of options to swap out and play around with isn't enough for you?
dense cedar
Such greed 
balmy condor
how many builds does bro need
severe orchid
Ehh just more so seeing if I could bump up single target
balmy condor
yes
tawdry halo
You can
balmy condor
there are builds for that
static glacier
Yeah I checked it. I was just wondering if there was anything else out there.
nothing's stopping you playing different talents, heck you could cook your build entirely from scratch if you like
strange python
oh whispyr while youre here, which cleave talents do you recommend for street? or does it not matter so much now with the nerfs?
wet spire
i mean im doing like 3m st with bleed
tawdry halo
There’s like a whole lecture in the guide about what to take
wet spire
=/
balmy condor
oh whispyr while youre here, which cleave talents do you recommend for street? o...
idk I played cleave and it was fine
static glacier
i mean im doing like 3m st with bleed
3m st is fine. no?
strange python
idk I played cleave and it was fine
yeah but there is fb and ds, is ds just the overall choice in m+ even with the cleave build
strange python
oki ty! i chose the right ones then, just wanted to make sure LMAO
severe orchid
I'll just refer to the guide more
jolly stirrup
For my dumb dumb brain, what exactly does cleave mean?
I know its a type of build
I guess
balmy condor
in this context it's one of the m+ build archetypes we have
static glacier
its 5:30 am, im rolling another smoke and reading this discord
balmy condor
that takes a bunch of poison/kb shit
it doesn't take garrote talents
and the whole point is doing more ST
balmy condor
I could tell you but I'd have to kill you
barren yarrow
oh gawd
the only reason i didnt do more is my screen lagged on first pull and i did like half than what he did
static glacier
just say you had follow the blood instead of momentum of despair in wowhead build to sandbag so we dont get nerfed
glad ferry
getting that much cdr is a bug
What did you mean by 1 min cds tho
balmy condor
cause he was bored
balmy condor
What did you mean by 1 min cds tho
well when you get the bug your deathmark is 1min cd
so you play everything on that timer
glad ferry
Yeah but it doesn't align with KB or trinket most of the time
balmy condor
how does 1 min not align
glad ferry
idk man it doesnt reduce both at the same time, im in raid rn and it just doesnt align
jolly stirrup
static glacier
the bug just halves ur cds
they still line up
you just wont have shivs for in between kb
jolly stirrup
Is that bug exclusive to FB?
static glacier
yes xd
balmy condor
it's a bug with the 4pc
static glacier
its the 4pc proccing twice
jolly stirrup
static glacier
since for some reason they tied it to a travel time?
balmy condor
I hope they get it fixed soon
static glacier
same tbh
if we get nerfed then it gets fixed
well
its never good when it happens, to anyone
except maybe ret with the recent tantrum
jolly stirrup
I hope they get it fixed soon
But blizzard is a small indie company, they don't have a lot of resources to track all these bugs down
jolly stirrup
I mean by tracking down how to fix them
static glacier
But blizzard is a small indie company, they don't have a lot of resources to tra...
its pretty hard im sure
otherwise we'd not have bugs for 6 months
jolly stirrup
Ye i know its difficult, I am also just shittalking
I play league, that game is full of bugs and the devs basically don't care 
strange python
I play league, that game is full of bugs and the devs basically don't care <:gar...
they do if it affects pro play :/
strange python
Us plebs need to deal with it
glad ferry
what is not aligning
So I just save KB for the 1 min deathmark. I got it. I was just using KB as i would on 45 sec KB. but it would make it so DM didnt align with KB
balmy condor
yes
glad ferry
Sorry I was mid pull
balmy condor
you play everything on 1min timers
glad ferry
yeah got it thx
static glacier
like idk how they're leaving the supercharger snd bug in the game but its so odd how you do it that im sure there's some sphagetti in there
long oak
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long oak
A question: Which piece of the tier do you recommend breaking? I have three pieces: gloves, pants, and a head, but I can make one more. Which one do you recommend?
balmy condor
the one you think looks the coolest
long oak
Mmmm
ebon lion
so do we bind unyielding nethercrystal to deathmark and just forget about it?
balmy condor
on everything except fatebound 4pc yes
but you might also want to hold for certain damage amps
ebon lion
after 4pc?
balmy condor
you want to use every 3min
livid rover
Guys is this a bug? Or am I missing something? Why does my Deathmark sometimes shorten to 1 minute?
balmy condor
4pc fatebound bug
potent ore
any recommendations on doing delves at tier 11? Managed to complete 3 this week but its a massive struggle compared to some other classes
potent ore
having to rely on brann is a death sentence
balmy condor
so is doing delves for more than 1 week
small cairn
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unborn rain
i got all the jewelry i need out of taza on my 5th run and guilds tank has been in there all week for nothing
rogue shit vros
delicate isle
bleeds snapshotting or dynamic?
balmy condor
dynamic
delicate isle
thx
formal pewter
just watched that video whispyr, it popped up on my YT and i've never seen one of your videos before
thx bud xD
balmy condor
np
static glacier
any recommendations on doing delves at tier 11? Managed to complete 3 this week ...
evasion is OP, kidney is 8s stun
don't be conservative with shiv
lyric stirrup
hey guys, I tried searching for the answer, maybe I missed it but what trinket from keys would u pair with prism?
balmy condor
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balmy condor
hey guys, I tried searching for the answer, maybe I missed it but what trinket f...
any passive one like pacemaker
severe meadow
Pacemaker sims highest for me
lyric stirrup
I appreciate u ty Whispyr 
cunning needle
thanks dps went up by like 1.5mill
cloud star
This sims very good, but i feel it sucks in keys. hmm
ebon steppe
Feel vs sim
true tide
Am i crazy for liking fatebound spatter in streets
balmy condor
a little yeah
ebon steppe
Sub better
balmy condor
fatebound is probably playable in streets but it's in no way good
balmy condor
breakdown look ok? for st dummy
yeha looks okay
true tide
thats fair we just wanted st so i slammed it ripped bosses and spatter carried my aoe for the few packs in my 11
jolly stirrup
How important is it to have Garrote and rupture on more than 5 targets? Will I be fine pressing both twice after stealth? I get overwhelmed in Keys when there is so much going on on my screen my brain blanks and I forgot what buttons I need to press
I need to punch the rota into my head, its really not that hard but my brain just blanks
Idk
true tide
fatebound is probably playable in streets but it's in no way good
would you ever play like st with spatter as deathstalker in streets or just play like bleeds
jolly stirrup
or it's just a bug
Bug with 4pc
balmy condor
would you ever play like st with spatter as deathstalker in streets or just pla...
That’s what cleave build is for
broken mountain
where can i find assassination talent m+ deathstalker with kingbane?
balmy condor
wowhead
bronze horizon
I wish people would just ctrl + f this channel before asking questions, I promise you there's a wealth of information here. Just search it.
balmy condor
no
fallow sonnet
yo is it authority of radiant power or council's guile for mh wep deathstalkers m+? icyveins and wowhead have different answers
balmy condor
sim
static glacier
I wish people would just ctrl + f this channel before asking questions, I promis...
I wish I didn't...
cursive hatch
my fb sims keep wanting me to run netherprism + lily lol
static glacier
then do it
balmy condor
Get a decent trinket
magic fossil
@balmy condor fatebound is pretty nice mate, change of pace and keep me a lot relax without think about marks, just cds no 100% yet but im getting there
ty for video
cursive hatch
yeah been trying to get floodgate trinket, no luck. Stuck using a 691 warpclaw which is why it wants me using those
static glacier
if using both make sure to send lily on pull
ngl though im fairly sure best double on use setup would be nether and araz
cursive hatch
lily > lily > prism repeat I'm guessing, just slotting prism into the 3 min sets with vanish. Not sure if I'm going to put that much brain power in though, going to keep grinding for pacemaker before raid tomorrow
static glacier
actually I don't know whats better
lily > lily > prism or araz > prism > araz > prism
cursive hatch
yeah I do not want to run double on use. Something I've also been avoiding on sub
obtuse ruin
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obtuse ruin
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static glacier
neither
you carry this on and ill voodoo us into having to use double on use channeled trinkets in midnight
viscid coral
do you break old 4pcs set in 2pcs + 2pcs? i'm playing deathstalker in m+
cunning needle
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reef timber
are there negatives to running with 2 sin rogues in a key? i feel like my damage was less but idk
viscid coral
thank you
viscid coral
are there negatives to running with 2 sin rogues in a key? i feel like my damage...
u sould run 3 for max dmg
acoustic roost
are there negatives to running with 2 sin rogues in a key? i feel like my damage...
IIRC you’ll fight over who get the sudden demises
shrewd grotto
i just want to learn it well enough to get like 75-90 parses
i’m not looking to get like CE or like all 99s
polar rampart
that didnt take me very long
shy creek
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polar rampart
caring enough to check rogue disc and learn prolly means youll be there sooner than later
neat flame
shoutout to the dungeon bosses this tier that do their mechanics and lose deathstalkers mark in the processs
shrewd grotto
that sounds awful
polar rampart
they think of us when they design stuff
neat flame
eco dome and tazavesh both, ethereals just aint about that mark
shrewd grotto
so 2nd boss on eco? or does it also happen on the last boss
neat flame
Just 2nd when they do the mount/dismount lizard thing
shrewd grotto
that also resets all of unholys stuff so i’m used to that boss being dumb
uncut void
Is it ideal to craft something as soon as I can with gildeds? Or should I wait
shrewd grotto
i think crafting 720 dagger is good no?
stable sinew
Just 2nd when they do the mount/dismount lizard thing
Just gotta prep and not use darkest night proc heading into the intermission
But yes DSM is such shitty coding
neat flame
Is it ideal to craft something as soon as I can with gildeds? Or should I wait
weapon is a good first craft, can move it to offhand if you luck into a mythic one
neat flame
Just gotta prep and not use darkest night proc heading into the intermission
for sure, along with vanish eith extra charge. Its more just annoying that the situation exists at all
jolly stirrup
Just 2nd when they do the mount/dismount lizard thing
I mean when they dismount the mark is still there I think, but still annoying
dreamy rover
Is it normal for bleed build to be simming more than ST council and ST w/ cleave builds on 2 and 3 targets??
shrewd grotto
why do i FoK on st?
ancient rain
Everybody wanna fok
jolly stirrup
why do i FoK on st?
shrewd grotto
Is it normal for bleed build to be simming more than ST council and ST w/ cleave...
how are you 699 with 4pc and perfect trinkets already (antenna isn’t real i swear)
shrewd grotto
so it’s just a deathstalker thing
dreamy rover
how are you 699 with 4pc and perfect trinkets already (antenna isn’t real i swea...
got real lucky i guess
jolly stirrup
Afaik
tight oracle
am i using CT too much in keys? should i be using envemon
lofty inlet
Guys which neck and shoes are we using ? Crafted ?
dreamy rover
so it’s just a deathstalker thing
yup, only fok in ST on deathstalker
balmy condor
Is it normal for bleed build to be simming more than ST council and ST w/ cleave...
guide is updating post caustic-fix
should be updated with correct council build tomorrow
shrewd grotto
and that only matters in keys bc fb is better for st right?
orchid pewter
so it’s just a deathstalker thing
We are not foking amymore
dreamy rover
should be updated with correct council build tomorrow
gotcha, ty!
shrewd grotto
guide is updating post caustic-fix
holy moly it’s the guy
jolly stirrup
He's not that special 
shrewd grotto
ur jealous
dreamy rover
guide is updating post caustic-fix
mb i didnt read pins im a fucking disgrace
jolly stirrup
ur jealous
Shh
dreamy rover
tyvm for insights on there mr whispyr
balmy condor
np
proper pendant
lilac moon
guys why im getting absolutely rekted by aoe mechanics in 8+ keys? im always dying to them i feel like im so squishy
dreamy rover
guys why im getting absolutely rekted by aoe mechanics in 8+ keys? im always dyi...
f.e.i.n.t.
you gotta feint a lot
jolly stirrup
lilac moon
🙁
dreamy rover
but doesnt seem like an issue to me idk
hearty seal
tbh feint covers for like 80% of aoes
I think only post guy in streets actually forces you to either hope for healer attention or press something more, even at +10
jolly stirrup
I like Gambit
cursive finch
It’s impossible bruh
hearty seal
gambit seems like a place for cleave build ngl
cursive finch
No restealths, Impossible to bleed everything
hearty seal
you lose out on murloc packs, but the rest of the run is small packs and big bosses
cursive finch
Murloc packs sucked so hard
stable sinew
guys why im getting absolutely rekted by aoe mechanics in 8+ keys? im always dyi...
Do you have elusiveness or cheat death on
lilac moon
Do you have elusiveness or cheat death on
elusiveness
stable sinew
Then you shouldn’t be taking much dam from aoe
hearty seal
what's your ilvl
cursive finch
Probs a skill issue
lilac moon
688
hearty seal
that should be fine tbh
cursive hatch
you can evasion for some DR, it provides a small amount of magic dr as well from the DS talent
hearty seal
I did a couple of +10s just fine with 692
cursive finch
I did a couple of +10s just fine with 692
No we did
jolly stirrup
Cries in 683 because old tierset is so low
cursive finch
I don’t have old tier, just 2 set new hehe
hearty seal
still have old 4p, it's just through 684 gear
don't have new set yet because the only set item that dropped was gloves
jolly stirrup
still have old 4p, it's just through 684 gear
Yeah I started very late last season and didn't get it higher that 658 or smth
unkempt pilot
is the BOE ring our BIS ?
I can't find the ring from the wowhead bis list (supposed to be from street tazavesh ?? but does'nt appear on codex)
nevermind it changes to another ring, seems like i was on a previous version of the list
sullen hedge
doing the music boss on streets and not being able to restealth is actually so lame
dusky vault
When we get cdr bug that sets KB and DM to 60 and 30s for the first use do we just hold kb to sync with it from then?
balmy condor
yes
marsh fjord
doing the music boss on streets and not being able to restealth is actually so l...
Yeah just hold vanish really
Super lame
rotund oak
but yhea, kinda squishy
we arent squishy with feint/evasion and immunites and deathstalker hero tree on top of that.If anything rogue reliably survives most of mechanics
u have to screw up alot to die,even forget to press ur buttons
sick aspen
what do we add to raidbots to sim reshi wrap fibers?
haughty flicker
scroll down to the gem section
half dawn
do we catalyse the chest?
haughty flicker
catalyse dn
half dawn
catalyse dn
dn ?
haughty flicker
half dawn
doesnt matter
well I have tier gloves and 2 charges in cata
can either catalyse hero chest or legs for 2+2
sick aspen
scroll down to the gem section
thank you
haughty flicker
rotund oak
well I have tier gloves and 2 charges in cata
if u can reliably make it a 4c u should no matter what its a huge boost but then again idk how u got 2 charges on ur catalyst
half dawn
if u can reliably make it a 4c u should no matter what its a huge boost but then...
1 from m+ score 1 from weekly unlock no?
jolly stirrup
I have 1, still need 2k rating for the other
rotund oak
isnt supposed to give a token
haughty flicker
it hasnt given a token for several seasons
rotund oak
yes just not a rogue
jolly stirrup
I hope I get a set piece in vault again next week, then I have 4pc
haughty flicker
just a cata charge
rotund oak
cool
half dawn
they give cata charges teh changed it sadly
haughty flicker
i miss the token
rotund oak
then yeah idk where's ur problem
vocal cedar
For Lily of the Eternal Weave am I sitting on it for Deathmark or am I sending it with a particular shiv?
It being a 1.5 and all
balmy condor
it lines up with deathmark
dreamy rover
For Lily of the Eternal Weave am I sitting on it for Deathmark or am I sending i...
if you dont have the extra cooldown reduction from tierset, you hold lily for deathmark
if you have the cooldown reduction, it will line up with DM
vocal cedar
You only get the CDR if you're running Fatebound, right?
dreamy rover
yhea, exactly
if youre running deathstalker, just always hold for your big CDs window
dreamy rover
np
dreamy rover
it lines up with deathmark
Mr. Whisypr
what about envenoms with fatebound
should i always aim for a 7cp one
or just send at 5cp+ like deathstalker?
dreamy rover
ah gotcha
buoyant herald
Jeez how do you rip one of those at 723
rotund oak
its very good,1min cd nicu
lavish portal
hello, why we use shiv in fatebound befor DM and in Deathstalker after DM?
buoyant herald
Oh it’s because it’s scaled up right
dreamy rover
hello, why we use shiv in fatebound befor DM and in Deathstalker after DM?
because of the lingering darkness buff
that deathstalker has
lavish portal
thx
dreamy rover
im gonna miss my 16M envenom crits while playing fatebound
balmy condor
hello, why we use shiv in fatebound befor DM and in Deathstalker after DM?
fatebound you shiv before to buff coins
ancient rain
hello, why we use shiv in fatebound befor DM and in Deathstalker after DM?
Because casting DM triggers a coin that does cosmic damage and shiv amplifies that
balmy condor
deathstalker you shiv after cause dm is a dead gcd
oak tangle
does the weapon recraftign trick still work?
balmy condor
no
upper atlas
Is there any time where we stay on Heads during cd instead of flipping ? E.g. at 10 coins to keep the buff for end of KB?
dapper zodiac
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balmy condor
Is there any time where we stay on Heads during cd instead of flipping ? E.g. at...
no
you can ignore your coins completely
dapper zodiac
whisyper is raidbots somehow bugged with thistle tea usage?
upper atlas
no
Thanks bud - That’s crazy to me so even at 23 heads coins it’s not worth delaying envenom or ist just such a minor thing that is more costly if done wrong
balmy condor
whisyper is raidbots somehow bugged with thistle tea usage?
no
balmy condor
Thanks bud - That’s crazy to me so even at 23 heads coins it’s not worth delayin...
23 heads just means you have the opportunity to go to 24 heads
dapper zodiac
because it doesnt use tea in opener and randomly uses it when he drops below energy without pressing the ability im cofnused
balmy condor
yeah that's fine
dapper zodiac
really? o.o
magic oar
what embelishment do i put on my dagger?
balmy condor
yes
dapper zodiac
alr
balmy condor
what embelishment do i put on my dagger?
ascendance
upper atlas
what embelishment do i put on my dagger?
magic oar
ascendance
yeah thought so thank you
balmy condor
because it doesnt use tea in opener and randomly uses it when he drops below ene...
the tea logic is just "yes"
dapper zodiac
hahaha
well
do you agree with trinket on kingsbane or more on deathmark?
bc he does trinket w kingsbane
or is both the same
the lily trinket im talking about sorry
balmy condor
the logic jsut has a slight delay on it
it checks for deathmark's dot ticking
so it casts deathmark
and then the trinket fires
makes no difference
balmy condor
you did actually find me some gains though
dapper zodiac
yeah im looking for some aswell thats why the questions haha
balmy condor
I remembered I forgot to check the tea logic going into 11.2
so I just fucking deleted the tea line entirely
and let it entirely auto-proc
easy damage
dapper zodiac
LOL
echo crystal
which raid buffs benefit assa the most?
balmy condor
maybe its time to retire the shiv macro
windfury
and then warrior
and then the rest of them are all sorta the same after that
echo crystal
roger, thanks man. Appreciate all your work!
balmy condor
np
dapper zodiac
did you let raidbots just use autoproc tea and it gained dmg?
balmy condor
yes
dapper zodiac
no way
balmy condor
okay well I can't delete the shiv/tea macro on deathstalker I guess
it still likes it there
but fatebound couldn't give a shit
dapper zodiac
ffs fatebound just messes with all assa logic haha
dapper zodiac
can you post the sim with autoproc tea?
like without the line i unfortunatly dont know how to delete the lines in raidbots
dapper zodiac
ty
lavish portal
if we have the choice between lily and prism. we go for prism right?
balmy condor
yes
south token
!trinket
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south token
must have been discussed a couple of times but the 4p turns our cd into a 1.5m cd from 2m
balmy condor
this is true
south token
is the 2m trinket from raid really so strong that we would rather have it every other cooldown
balmy condor
you would play lily or prism
south token
instead of having the 1.5 trinket from eco-dome every cd
balmy condor
all 2 min trinkets are not viable on fatebound
subtle tundra
blizzdong sucks at trinkets
south token
whats prism?
balmy condor
trinket from fractilus
south token
oh
fringe spear
Would've been funny if you stopped at trinket
wispy apex
Hello, with Fatebound are the coin flips just passives and you do not need to track/interact with it?
balmy condor
correct
south token
but why would you not track it and be pissed when you lose your streak
a chance to get in touch with your hatred of hero talents
barren yarrow
Whispyr if one had a champ chest and hero helm that would if catalyzed give them 4pc, should they just cata?
subtle tundra
goonstreak
balmy condor
I personally would not cata champ
but if you feel the need to cata stirring deep inside you
go for it I guess
barren yarrow
I don’t wanna waste a charge at all
subtle tundra
how hard are weeklies @balmy condor can i get boosted as a 660 rogue
balmy condor
probably
barren yarrow
yeah I got priory crit mast helm
subtle tundra
ok today is begging day
barren yarrow
lmao
echo crystal
am I wrong, didnt we used to cast FoK on ST deathstalker? Is that out?
barren yarrow
drops useless belt… yay
balmy condor
am I wrong, didnt we used to cast FoK on ST deathstalker? Is that out?
we do
barren yarrow
we still do
echo crystal
just not in raid
im confused 🙁
barren yarrow
not literally
balmy condor
what is confusing
echo crystal
So we cast it on ST, but not in raid?
balmy condor
correct
echo crystal
what makes the difference?
echo crystal
roger, thank you. Just needed to understand why
balmy condor
np
barren yarrow
I think I’m gonna spam dawn for that ring
fresh kelp
echo crystal
this ring?
barren yarrow
Is it weird that we have basically no options for crit mastery rings
echo crystal
))
barren yarrow
Wow
south token
assa is funny this patch, you can pla two pretty different builds for m+, both hero talents are seeing play - you can switch between 2m and 1.5m cd class... its wild
not sure if blessing or curse yet
balmy condor
why would it be a curse
south token
means you need to itemize for both but not sure if its a big deal
balmy condor
it very much isn't
you're either crit/mast or mast/crit
MAKE TWO GEAR SETS
QUICKLY
south token
but yeah, i think its good to have more agency than "what are my talents? ok got it" and never change anything whole season
barren yarrow
I mean that’s most specs right?
Nothing really changed for us at all
Just no one used fatebound at all and so now they have to learn how to play with it
south token
i don't know i feel like in the past season assa had pretty much only deathstalker and the most you would change between bosses was picking caustic or not
ok in s2 we had bleed build for m+
barren yarrow
somewhat yes
grim beacon
Why does fatebound ST feel so energy starved
wispy apex
Do you cast shiv in the last 8 secs of kingsbane or deathmark?
balmy condor
deathmark
south token
if i could change one thing about bleed build
dapper zodiac
!wa
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south token
i would like to keep spamming mutilate and not even look at my energy
barren yarrow
??? Wut
balmy condor
what's stopping you from doing that
south token
sanguine blades no?
balmy condor
no
south token
on st bosses
subtle tundra
sangine what
barren yarrow
I mean get your bleeds up and pool if you need to
balmy condor
you don't
keen spruce
barren yarrow
don’t ever let your bleeds fall off
subtle tundra
god i need to goon
barren yarrow
ok well sometimes I do when I’m low on energy and I can ambush
can’t
am I wrong?!
omg
south token
it's not a big gain to stay above 50% energy in ST bleed builld? with CT, rupture and garrote up ofc
balmy condor
you're not wrong, but you're also not right
balmy condor
it's not a big gain to stay above 50% energy in ST bleed builld? with CT, ruptur...
we don't do that
barren yarrow
damn ok
balmy condor
You don’t want to shiv the last 8 seconds of kingsbane in fatebound?
during deathmark? no
balmy condor
you keep spending
marsh fjord
during deathmark? no
I thought with the increase of KB duration you wanted to get the last 8 seconds in. But I geuss that’s only true on your solo kbs?
barren yarrow
envenom buff
balmy condor
I thought with the increase of KB duration you wanted to get the last 8 seconds ...
correct
south token
we don't do that
oh damn, thanks for letting me know - am I wrong or did we at least do that last season then? i remember seeing it in your vid
balmy condor
oh damn, thanks for letting me know - am I wrong or did we at least do that las...
it was something that was an insanely minor min-max of like 0.3% in ST, and you only ever did it like 15% of the time
glass crystal
should i play fatebound in ST raid even without new set?
marsh fjord
should i play fatebound in ST raid even without new set?
Pins
balmy condor
but dumb fucks just looked at it and went "okay >150 energy always"
and so now there's all these bleed players
going "I hate being above 150"
barren yarrow
lol
balmy condor
and now I have to go and say "we don't fucking do that"
devout mist
hey im not that versed into raidbots, how i can run a droptimizer simulating i have 4 piece (as i currently have only 2 piece) 
. thx for the help
balmy condor
and then they go "what? but surely we did"
and then I have to explain the thing I just explained
and then it's okay for like 3 hours
and then I go to bed
and I wake up
south token
well, yeah i get your point
barren yarrow
lol
barren yarrow
perpetual hell
south token
i'll just keep spamming mutilate in ST - got it!
balmy condor
yep
cunning sleet
Can a French player who plays Assa come voc with me to explain the class? I'm a main Outlaw and I'd like to start playing Assa, but I feel like I don't understand anything about the class...
barren yarrow
then I’ll goto bed and see Whispyr tagged me saying I’m wrong lol
glass crystal
@marsh fjord i went through the past pins again and dont understand where that question is tackled, could you point me to it?
dapper zodiac
is it possible to track kingsbane stacks in a weakaura if so can someone post it for me thanks
dapper zodiac
yes please i would love to have it
marsh fjord
<@308691441910153230> i went through the past pins again and dont understand whe...
Brother sim yourself. Fatebound without set is a 7% increase approx
balmy condor
For that nice buff uptime 😉
I mean yes, but we don't play around the buff uptime at all
marsh fjord
Maybe I’m mistaken but how come the concept of simming yourself is so unknown in WoW
analog egret
Does anyone have any ST tips in keys? Without pulling mobs onto the boss. Or are we just kinda stuck with tank damage
balmy condor
Does anyone have any ST tips in keys? Without pulling mobs onto the boss. Or are...
tank damage
drifting cloud
nerf tank dmg
dapper zodiac
https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396
well sometimes i have 50 stacks of it and then i would conveniently hit shiv and not wait for the last 8 seconds bc it is already on max dmg is my thought
maybe it wont happen so often but if its a comfort thing for me
balmy condor
well sometimes i have 50 stacks of it and then i would conveniently hit shiv and...
what
what are you cooking
balmy condor
regardless of hero talent, you double shiv your dms back to back when the first drops
then on non-deathmark kingsbanes
fathom flax
i have had a good day
balmy condor
you either do the last 11 on deathstalker
or the last 8 on fatebound
you just cover the end
dapper zodiac
yeah thats true but on 2nd shiv you maybe hit 50 stacks before hand i think it happens from time to time
balmy condor
okay
dapper zodiac
and i would shiv earlier for comfort
balmy condor
and what does that matter?
dapper zodiac
so i dont mess u the last 8 seconds
grim jay
yeah thats true but on 2nd shiv you maybe hit 50 stacks before hand i think it h...
the uptime is 100% anyway with 2 shiv
dapper zodiac
up
balmy condor
I mean on deathstalker you will never be at 50 before the last 11, nor should you be at 50 on the last 8 of fatebound
dapper zodiac
so i hit shiv idk 10 seconds left of kingsbane so i really have the covarage of all 50 stack full dmg kingsbane buff
grim jay
and with 1 shiv it doesnt even matter if you hit max stacks before, because you will have an entire shiv worth of max stacks even if you shiv later in that theoretical case
balmy condor
so i hit shiv idk 10 seconds left of kingsbane so i really have the covarage of ...
but WHY
what is that doing
that just casting it normally isn't
why must you track something additional
dapper zodiac
yeah
it wont change the damage
but it helps myself not fuck up the last 8 seconds if i just see
ah 50 stacks
alr dump in shiv
grim jay
well you could just look at the duration instead of the stacks
and non dm kbs dont reach that high
noble hull
i have been playing rogue for 15 years and yet i still need to know from the pros ♥
dapper zodiac
yup
balmy condor
you could do something
that isn't better
and if it doesn't happen
you do the same thing you would've done
grim jay
balmy condor
ok?
dapper zodiac
and now you have 2 seconds more of a comfort
balmy condor
what if I told you
dapper zodiac
if you hit 50 stacks at 10 seconds left
dapper zodiac
it procs every second doesnt it?
balmy condor
kingsbane ticks every 2 seconds ya big dingus
dapper zodiac
well okay
balmy condor
you'd be shiv'ing between ticks
which is in fact
the same thing you'd do if you shiv'd at 8 as well
if you do it before 8, you miss the last tick, but you gain the first one
if you do it after 8 before 6, you get the last tick, but lose the first one
it's all the same
ancient kraken
how to sim consumables again?
dapper zodiac
hmmm
dense cedar
how to sim consumables again?
can change them at bottom of the sim page
same place as raid buffs
(probablya less dumb way to do it)
but idk it
dense cedar
idk my way is at least a lot more work
balmy condor
yeah but realisitically I'm just going to swap the default consumables that simc uses
and then you just use the defaults
and no one notices
swift tangle
does anyone have a plater profile that they recommend which tracks only garrote, rupture, and crimson tempest?
balmy condor
!plater
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jolly stirrup
i have had a good day
Jealous
noble hull
wow that what i wanted !
dense cedar
i dunno how important tracking ct on plater would be
balmy condor
very much not, that's why I track it using a border on the nameplate instead
so that it's binary
balmy condor
border yes ct, no border no ct
dense cedar
yeye
cunning needle
okay to macro into kingsbane? or should use 3 seconds after
swift tangle
thank you legends
cunning needle
am 2p atm so its 1min kingsbane
balmy condor
okay to macro into kingsbane? or should use 3 seconds after
it's okay to macro into kingsbane but you'll be better off using something else :)
cunning needle
best simming onuse trinket for me 
golden loom
I mean I should lowkey get that
cunning needle
its either that or house of cards
golden loom
instead of using a signet rolling crit
dense cedar
im rocking my champion lily still
dense cedar
at least upgrading it to 7 was free
cunning needle
no 2nd 701 trinket so cant upgrade to 7 for free
dense cedar
big pain
cunning needle
golden loom
50 keys done now, only 2 trinkets so far, signet and a useless fkin warplclaw
I am in floodgate hell
dense cedar
@golden loom dw antenna in vault
golden loom
I am not taking a piss hero track item from vault anyways
sharp viper
I am in floodgate hell
just get antenna from first kill mythic loombinder 
half dawn
I am in floodgate hell
my tank inted the key in floodgate, was a useless dog with -90 iq route
dense cedar
I am not taking a piss hero track item from vault anyways
okay then enjoy ur myth boots in all slots then
half dawn
and he gets teh trink
hearty seal
okay then enjoy ur myth boots in all slots then
ngl myth boots in raid slots is a good thing (for once) this season
dense cedar
ngl myth boots in raid slots is a good thing (for once) this season
not those ones
jolly stirrup
God finally caught up, work being annoying today.
Also Discord mobile app jumps down messages whenever I lock display and unlock it 
obtuse ruin
Is deathmark a 1 min cd now with fatebound?
balmy condor
1:30
dense cedar
Is deathmark a 1 min cd now with fatebound?
Bug
hearty seal
not those ones
ngl I have no idea why there are other boots in raid that aren't buffing the cloak
obtuse ruin
Oh I mean is that considered an exploit if we play it?
balmy condor
no
dense cedar
ngl I have no idea why there are other boots in raid that aren't buffing the clo...
same reason there's more than 1 of each class's weapons
so u don't get shafted for minor upgrades
hearty seal
actually
did anyone do any research on whether myth regular boots are better than hero cloak-buff boots?
balmy condor
they are not even remotely close
dense cedar
seems unlikely
south token
so lfr shoes?
balmy condor
I'm pretty sure LFR boots are competitive to myth
hearty seal
fuckin' hell, stuck with cloak boots for the entire season then
never gonna get myth ones
dense cedar
if ur lucky u might be done with gear kinda stupid fast
hearty seal
lucky and me don't belong in the same sentence without a "not" between them
(barring that one)
hearty seal
well
I already know I'm not getting 4p until like
at best two weeks later
well, no, okay, I might get really lucky with next week's raid
but chances aren't good
dense cedar
u a 0p gamer?
warm vortex
I am in floodgate hell
I'm gonna join the floodgate farm
dense cedar
my season 2 gear was so bad that replacing my s2 4p with just regular pieces was an upgrade
warm vortex
I'd wanna play cleave or something to make it interesting btu things die too fast ;-;
hearty seal
u a 0p gamer?
4p s2
silent breach
does anyone have a plater profile that they recommend which tracks only garrote,...
Been using better blizz plates and black listing the stuff that’s pointless to track
dense cedar
my group has been getting flood, db and gambit on loop
with a lil hoa
half the dungeons not showing up
so lame
hearty seal
thursday was
+2 Dawn
+5 Halls
+7 Dawn
+8 Halls
+9 Dawn
+10 Halls
silent breach
Had a party of 4 all flood 1 db. Did a flood got db. Did the db, got flood
hearty seal
it just rolled itself
dense cedar
oh ye we fucked up a 9 gambit and overtimed, +2 dawn then got a gambit again and +2'd
legit dunno what happened that 2nd time
hearty seal
I still have no streets timed
warm vortex
Also daily reminder that repairing on a mount costs more than repairing at a vendor
dense cedar
got a streets 8 done just before
i got smashed apart by a sub rogue in 4p
(also just a better player)
sharp viper
Also daily reminder that repairing on a mount costs more than repairing at a ven...
wait what
hearty seal
wait what
rep discounts
20% at exalted (or whatever is the equivalent with renown)
mount bs has no rep attached
dense cedar
u pay for convenience tho
hearty seal
ye
cedar fiber
Gbank pays repairs ¯_(ツ)_/¯
sharp viper
I use auto repair so I usually have no clue
distant ferry
!sim
hearty seal
gbank pays my repairs but like
indirectly
I make stuff for raid nights
onyx pond
!gear
prisma monolithBOT
distant ferry
i searching for "how to sim assa" 😄
hearty seal
also smh, my best two drops for now are haste rings
my crit and mastery are super shit
but they still sim better
dense cedar
also smh, my best two drops for now are haste rings
my crit and mastery are supe...
best not to care about the stat names
balmy condor
i searching for "how to sim assa" 😄
what does that mean
you get your /simc
and you paste into raidbots
distant ferry
what does that mean
that means that i searching for perfekt options
hearty seal
best not to care about the stat names
every time I press FoK and get 1 combo
I think about how low my crit had to be
distant ferry
let me translate via google 😄
dense cedar
every time I press FoK and get 1 combo
I think about how low my crit had to be
momentum or follow?
might wanna sim to see which is better for u
dense cedar
oh??
balmy condor
can't even use it
dense cedar
unforunate
hearty seal
momentum bugged to shit
huh?
dense cedar
follow doesn't do anything in ST anyways either
raw marlin
Anyone just playing fate bound on streets? Instrument boss is straight garbage for mark and lots of pulls are kind of small?
balmy condor
Anyone just playing fate bound on streets? Instrument boss is straight garbage f...
probably fine
hearty seal
momentum or follow?
momentum active
huh
dense cedar
i just hold my 2 vanishes for that part
raw marlin
probably fine
Just use the FB raid build?
hearty seal
Anyone just playing fate bound on streets? Instrument boss is straight garbage f...
I'd just play cleave
dense cedar
momentum active
huh
well u should just use follow apparently no matter waht lol
balmy condor
Just use the FB raid build?
heavens no
dense cedar
bugged talents big rup
balmy condor
you would play ds cleave and then swap FI to CB and play fb
buoyant herald
momentum of despair breaks after you shiv if you have 2 set
raw marlin
you would play ds cleave and then swap FI to CB and play fb
Ty will try later 👌🏻
hearty seal
momentum of despair breaks after you shiv if you have 2 set
and if you don't?
distant ferry
@balmy condor With what settings do I correctly simulate the assassination rogue for M+? Dungeonslice, patchwork 5,8,10? What is the best?
cedar fiber
Anyone just playing fate bound on streets? Instrument boss is straight garbage f...
the mental dmg i take watching my mark target walking off stage is too high
distant ferry
idk if this is better
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> With what settings do I correctly simulate the assassinati...
dungeonslice
buoyant herald
i think just not using shiv is definitely worse than just swapping to follow the blood lol
dense cedar
dungeonslice
someone should make a video about this
hearty seal
the mental dmg i take watching my mark target walking off stage is too high
ngl this patch makes me feel like nobody ever considered DSM in actual play when designing it
I mean I felt like it from S1 onwards, but this patch is REMINDING ME
balmy condor
someone should make a video about this
I'll cut you
buoyant herald
oh you mean if you don't have 2set
dense cedar
average rogue threat
buoyant herald
it's fine without 2 set
hearty seal
oh you mean if you don't have 2set
yes
balmy condor
fine
hearty seal
aight ty
dense cedar
shamans at least threaten to drop a rock on you
balmy condor
I'll kiss you then bro
don't mess with me
next thing you know my tongues in your throat
then what
dense cedar
they call me bro when im sis
silent breach
Bro’s a sis
balmy condor
a woman
dense cedar
btw streets is fun actually
hearty seal
they call me bro when im sis <a:pensivewobble:620416696083021837>
smh Whispyr making out with a woman
dense cedar
cos the last boss is like playing one of those 4yo early learning toys
sharp viper
I can't even mentally act out my gay fantasies
let me help you with that 
balmy condor
streets is the least fun dungeon I've ever played I'm ngl
cedar fiber
ngl this patch makes me feel like nobody ever considered DSM in actual play when...
and its not even the only time that happens in that dungeon, the corehounds lay down and keep the mark (and keep us in combat)
dense cedar
btw is there any plans to close this channel down? @balmy condor
balmy condor
5 boss dungeon and they decide to give it mini bosses
that's diabolical work
who decided that should be a thing
buoyant herald
like ToP but somehow far worse
tawny geyser
5 boss dungeon and they decide to give it mini bosses
the bosses themselves are like minibosses, atleast the post master 😂
dense cedar
5 boss dungeon and they decide to give it mini bosses
2 of the bosses aren't even real tho
balmy condor
streets is like trial of the crusader except you need to walk everywhere and everything sees stealth
and they jammed like 3 mini games into it
dense cedar
idk why there's so much truesight actually
balmy condor
yeah bro lemme deliver this loom of cloth to some fuckass guy halfway across town so I can play a saxophone
dense cedar
like u can already basically walk in a circle around all the mobs
silent breach
Cuz rogues break the game
dense cedar
why even make them truesight
balmy condor
yeah bro lemme deliver this loom of cloth to some fuckass guy halfway across tow...
this is a real thing that blizzard thought would make a good dungeon
dense cedar
i mean its funny to do in the context of it being a megadungeon
wihtout the timer
they could've just turned it off for M+
terse urchin
how does one become better at interrupting and defensive cooldown usage? (other than: just learn dungeon lul)
dense cedar
how does one become better at interrupting and defensive cooldown usage? (other ...
this is like
100% of it
there is no other thing
buoyant herald
how does one become better at interrupting and defensive cooldown usage? (other ...
practice
balmy condor
you become better by knowing what you're doing and then doing it
dense cedar
i guess like
use a focus macro for kick
if tab target kicking isn't working out for ya or w/e
cloud musk
quick sidequestion: if my group needs super prio damage in the first pull of priory, do i just put up 5 ruptures and go to town on prio target?
silent breach
General knowledge of the run will help you more than generalized advice for all of wow
dense cedar
its a wise thing to macro
balmy condor
but then I can't focus the critter at the start of the dungeon and look at its frame for moral support after we full wipe 6 times and the timer's cooked
balmy condor
quick sidequestion: if my group needs super prio damage in the first pull of pri...
this should be your rotation on every pack, so I'm not sure what exactly the difference is supposed to be
cloud musk
this should be your rotation on every pack, so I'm not sure what exactly the dif...
instead of spreading garrot first
jolly stirrup
instead of spreading garrot first
You spread Garrote for CP for rupture
balmy condor
yeah
balmy condor
it should just be garrotes on stuff, 5-7 ruptures, ct, cds, envenom
jolly stirrup
silent breach
Garrote to build rup to spend/eat ds stacks
terse urchin
any direction too look toward getting focus macro?? or do i just manually add mobs to focus and just /target focus /cast kick.....
balmy condor
any direction too look toward getting focus macro?? or do i just manually add mo...
you could just /cast [@focus] kick
dusty phoenix
On FB st I vanish before Kb right?
cloud musk
i know, but it eats 2 gcds every envenom instead of 1 in 95% of the time.
balmy condor
On FB st I vanish before Kb right?
sure, that works
cloud musk
only for super prio damage
balmy condor
i know, but it eats 2 gcds every envenom instead of 1 in 95% of the time.
it also adds a ton of energy for sanguine blades, and adds a ton of extra damage, which all comes back in the form of singular focus
deathstalker is literally "do the same rotation and you're funneling"
jolly stirrup
it should just be garrotes on stuff, 5-7 ruptures, ct, cds, envenom
By 5-7 ruptures you mean targets not casts right?
Just to be sure
balmy condor
yes
cloud musk
ok. maybe im over using rupture than instead of envenom spam