assassination

[zenith elm]

Best life

[balmy condor]

Yah I mean overall, momentum is the default, follow is just an option on bleed build but it’s not required or whatever

[tough basalt]

10 seconds in “please use the time stamps”

[limber dew]

He even talked about that talent in his video from yesterday

[winged sun]

everyone in the game is running it almost

so

[zenith elm]

Yes

[winged sun]

i do consider it new

[midnight mist]

no

[winged sun]

and not default since i dont see it in any guide

[mint valve]

!video

[fresh kelp]

I was saying u were right

[midnight mist]

ok you convinced me

im watching the whole video

brb

[tough basalt]

Fine I’ll get out of bed and go change my talents

[limber dew]

@winged sun he released a video yesterday and explains that momentum sims better and is the default go to

[zenith elm]

Watch it twice, enjoy it

[balmy condor]

You take momentum on literally every build except s2 bleed I just put it there as an option because of low keys snapshotting for demise

I can go change the build I forgot to swap it over

But like

Bruh

[haughty flicker]

wtf whispyr sandbagging m+ builds again

[thorn thorn]

Kalamazi has competition

[midnight mist]

whyspor making all of us assa mains look bad in keys ..

[zenith elm]

Whispyr is sandbagging everyone

[gray raven]

I actually never changed my bleed build so this is good to know and I played into 16s last season

[grim jay]

is that some sports thing

[winged sun]

i gained 5% dps today zac

[zenith elm]

Zac assa main DAAAAMN

[winged sun]

time to annihilate the meters

[midnight mist]

i didnt

i gained 0.4% actually

[winged sun]

new apl or gear

[midnight mist]

which is pretty big if you ask me

i used 30 hc crests

[winged sun]

ah

ye i used those too few days ago

[coral hearth]

is this a decent dmg breakdown (arakara 10)? Or am i slacking somewhere, first season as rog since like nighthold so i prolly suck at a few things

[thorn thorn]

Bright

[rotund condor]

I got 2 weird "this should be obvious" questions:

1. Is Deathmark duplicating the debuffs or just duplicating the damage? Meaning if my garrote only lasts 5s, is DM lasting 5s for that garrote or does it add the next 11s from the new garrote?

2. I feel like I'm missing something with the fatebound rotation. We want 7 stacks asap, we get two from double jeopardy, two from inevitable end, 2 from vanish -> double jeopardy. Where is the 7th?

[zenith elm]

Caustic splatter

[winged sun]

ngl tho

[elder gulch]

anyone know what the macro is to make a target become a focus target?

[zenith elm]

Need to be wayyyy up

[winged sun]

follow the blood is extremely powerful in some dungeons

like

[coral hearth]

yeah i feel like i do it way too late

[winged sun]

i think its even undersimming in some keys

because of how good it is

[coral hearth]

the muti

[winged sun]

i think i'll keep on running follow the blood in some dungs

[tough basalt]

I’m pretty certain it’s duplicating the debuffs themselves. I don’t know the answer to that specific question though

[static glacier]

which dungs spill the beans

[rotund condor]

so we refresh hard before deathmark, right?

[balmy condor]

1. Debuffs
2. You start with 1, but you get 2 from dm, 2 from kb, 2 from vanish, and you still have a second cb charge so there’s a 7th there

(Technically 8th)

[rotund condor]

oh right, 2nd cb charge, thanks!

[winged sun]

i need time to think after trying MoD

i think its good in halls

lots of mobs snap on CT

and ruptures

[rotund condor]

but yeah, we refresh the debuffs before deathmark so they're at 16, right? The guide doesn't fully reflect that

[cursive finch]

I've been runing follow, is momentum better?

[winged sun]

so u end up having it perma on 2 bosses and most trash packs

[rotund condor]

that also means overextending garrote by reapplying it, so it's pushed beyond 16s with pandemic?

[static glacier]

ive been running ftb in flood but gonna try momentum, doubt its better tho

for flood atleast

[marsh fjord]

20 Floodgates done

all on 10

no trinket

[cursive finch]

lol

[static glacier]

i got it but i really wanted to give to friend

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/404soob-pepe-pp-gif-21552696

[cursive finch]

thhats insane to even do 20 floodhates

[winged sun]

gonna pull off the most cracked dps on flood with momentum

its cracked there

[static glacier]

nsh

nah

u grief ur 2t boss dam

[crimson night]

Im not that good in weakaurs things.
In the afenaar weak aura edited by whispyr. Is there a way to always show stacks like thistle tea and shiv? The stacks disappear when the buff is on and coming back when the buff went off.

[winged sun]

its already griefed by the big spatter nerf

ur most dps is gonna come from big momma and everywhere else

that boss momentum matters way too much

[static glacier]

well im trying momentum now after like 5x ftb

[grave trail]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[marsh fjord]

Why would momentum do more damage? then blood?

[winged sun]

my 3m gold numbers..

[marsh fjord]

Where is my proof

[winged sun]

ur asking that a week too late

[zenith elm]

Wait wait wait

[marsh fjord]

I also asked in outlaw channel back then brother

[zenith elm]

We do momentum not follow the blood ??

Wtf

[winged sun]

..

[marsh fjord]

when zac was ragebaiting me

that fucker

😄

[winged sun]

@midnight mist did he?

[balmy condor]

I forgor to change the talent its fine follow the blood is chill

[zenith elm]

I've ran FTB since i've begun bleed build

I have been bamboozeled !!!

[marsh fjord]

But honest qeustion. why would follow the blood do less damage when its a damage increase over crit chance + crit damage?

[zenith elm]

Someone get me out of this drunk nightmare

[thorn thorn]

I love ragebaiting

[marsh fjord]

Zac was just flirting me

[zenith elm]

Zac is always flirting

Thats what i love about him

[feral mason]

ross is s tier ragebait target

[whole dome]

Yo is having close to 0 haste on assass kinda troll? I am trying to get like a 60 mastery and the rest vers and crit

[marsh fjord]

Best would just to sim yourself.

[thorn thorn]

@winged sun Did u know havoc has best funnel

[marsh fjord]

Bleed build wants a bit of haste

[winged sun]

best consistent ye

idk if its higher than ele

assa has the highest funnel burst tho

[zenith elm]

Assa has shit

But its my shit, and i love it

[cursive hatch]

I love seeing singular focus as my highest damage on the prio target

[zenith elm]

My kind of love

[marsh fjord]

On big momma mine was only 3%

isnt that weird yours is number 1?

[thorn thorn]

Someone earlier got kicked from a +10 dawnbreaker for nuking the adds on the second boss and the dh lead cited they were griefing boss dam. So instead he just decided to grief his own key

[marsh fjord]

Do i go for number 21 floodgate

im tired man xD

[humble verge]

ahhahaahahahha wtf

[humble verge]

u didnt get it 1st 10?

[marsh fjord]

🙁

[winged quail]

im on 20 eco domes so far for the trinket

it does not exist sadly

[humble verge]

4

[marsh fjord]

I acutally have that one but prism is just way better

[thorn thorn]

Just loot it bro

Its that shrimple

[winged quail]

ye but i don't have prism either

[sullen fjord]

yo guys, does this bad boy here still works?

[marsh fjord]

tell your raid leader to give you loot

[marsh fjord]

[sullen fjord]

xD

[winged quail]

i got 4p on the first bit of tier that dropped at least

that was nice

[sullen fjord]

yeah still walking around with this

[marsh fjord]

this is me atm

[humble verge]

one of them

[thorn thorn]

Which one tho

[winged quail]

once i escape eco dome i can farm other items

[marsh fjord]

Same

[winged quail]

but it's a dome and there's no door

[winged sun]

💀

[marsh fjord]

But dome is kinda nice tho

kinda fast of a dungeon

[winged quail]

ye it's quick at least

[zenith elm]

I did one ecodome on +8 and got it lol

[winged quail]

pretty ez in 10s

[fresh kelp]

Seen the ring drop 7 times in dawnbreaker

Someday it’ll be my turn

[marsh fjord]

Not the versa one i hope

😄

[zenith elm]

Nice

[cursive finch]

\

did me

dis*

[fresh kelp]

Technically both, one for each spec

[zenith elm]

Why is mastery so fcking low

I hate this

[winged quail]

im chilling with crests until i get 701s rn

[thorn thorn]

You are drunk

Sleep

[zenith elm]

Nananana

I need to know

[humble verge]

bro flexing 4p

but no lily

[zenith elm]

I love mastery

[winged quail]

it does not exist it isn't real

[humble verge]

y u drunk tho

[deep gyro]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[zenith elm]

Village feast for 5 days

Its only the first day, and i'm folding for it SO FUCKING HARD

It takes me back to my child/teenager days

We had fun today

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/fr-fr/character/eu/khaz-modan/moltarius/

[humble verge]

mr steal yo girl

[zenith elm]

Here is my armory for today

Still need a neck and good rings

[humble verge]

wtf

why do you have 4p too

[cyan lily]

good ones

[humble verge]

???

[zenith elm]

Bc i do ,

?*

[humble verge]

ive been told to

[zenith elm]

Still got my 2 catalyst chatges

[humble verge]

not cata anything

WHAT

[zenith elm]

Charges

[humble verge]

alr man

[zenith elm]

I wont use them until myth?

[pliant remnant]

Imagine not having 4pc

[zenith elm]

Seems normal

[pliant remnant]

Cringe

[thorn thorn]

Bro

[zenith elm]

I mean, yeah?

[thorn thorn]

Just be like me

and play a spec that runs 2/2pc

[zenith elm]

Or just get 4p ? Idk man

[winged sun]

dude

this talent keeps on breaking

all the time

and stops working

theres no way

[zenith elm]

RL likes me, and the rest of the classes was going on vacation next week, so idk? He gave it to me

[winged sun]

its actually unplayable

idk if its even worth playing

ngl

[winged quail]

liquid running 0 rogues on forgeweaver when are we shutting down server btw?

[zenith elm]

We are DOOMING ??

YES

[winged quail]

it's joever sadly

[zenith elm]

Once again, HERE COMES THE DOOMING

[winged quail]

unplayable dead class according to rwf

[slim copper]

idk how people are saying 4p week 1 is normal unless you are lucky am i missing something?

[zenith elm]

Yes, just be good

Idk whats difficult about having a 4p week 1 /s

[humble verge]

ive been told i cant cata

[red schooner]

Just have splits forced upon you

[humble verge]

i gotta wait to get curio from dimensius

[winged quail]

tier from week 0 vault, starting catalyst, 2k catalyst is 3p

if you didn't get tier in vault that's a skill issue

then call your raidlead slurs if you don't get 4p

[zenith elm]

Then dont and still get 4p? Wtf

[humble verge]

:3

[zenith elm]

Love you btw

[spice lagoon]

run sin with fatebound in m+?

[zenith elm]

Yes

Hidden strat

[tall atlas]

how does fatebound become 1.30?

im confused

[zenith elm]

With praying

[red schooner]

New tier set

[tall atlas]

does DM become a 130 cd

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

ok ty x

[zenith elm]

Nah dont listing to pray

Him*

[red schooner]

DM goes 90 seconds KB goes 45

[zenith elm]

And pray*

[thorn thorn]

bro

You are zonked

[tall atlas]

amazing ty

[thorn thorn]

We are cutting you off

[zenith elm]

True, i am

🙁

[slim copper]

is AOTC / 2k on the same level as far as cata charge?

[tranquil lynx]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/g7uEUoepsFKw1vs8h49dNr

[zenith elm]

2k wayyyyy easier

[winged quail]

yes but 2k is so much easier imo

[slim copper]

ya i know that im asking if you only get one for either. Not one for both

[red schooner]

Only one

[winged sun]

for whoever is gonna run this talent

[keen spruce]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780377679227650079/1143175175391674418/Viberge.gif

[winged sun]

be aware this shit bugs out and stops working sometimes

[red schooner]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780377679227650079/1143175175391674418/Viberge.gif

[winged sun]

and u have to relog to re fix it

and

[thorn thorn]

Get a group of people to beat dimensius on heroic, or take a bunch of brain droolers and stumble your way into 2k

[winged sun]

i relogged

[thorn thorn]

Wonder which is easier

[winged sun]

and dummied for 1 min

and it stopped working again

good luck in ur keys

[winged quail]

oof

[winged sun]

[thorn thorn]

Zeross is schizomaxing again

[red schooner]

One means I don't have to to m+

[winged quail]

follow the blood it is

[spice lagoon]

start spamming blizz

[red schooner]

Important

[silent breach]

Can I get the 2k and pvp cata both?

[zenith elm]

Wait wait wait

[winged sun]

nah man the talent is broken

idk dude

[zenith elm]

So

Is it FTB or doom?

[winged sun]

is it just my charecter or idk

[zenith elm]

Despair*

[winged sun]

theres no way my char is bugged

it has to be the talent jsut breaking randomly forever till u relog

[thorn thorn]

Idk bro its working for me

[winged sun]

just test and check it

[zenith elm]

Can someone dumb it down for me ?

[drifting cloud]

no, its the same thing

[zenith elm]

I aint following this with my one braincell

[winged sun]

try dpsing for 1-2 min

[silent breach]

Ty

[winged sun]

and lemk

lmk

what happens

[north kiln]

under fatebound, is the rule similar to deathstalker's one where you finish +5 CPs on ST rotation?

[winged quail]

yes

[north kiln]

kk tyty

[brave stump]

whispyr wasnt lying with that crit enchant holy https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cx7CQrcxpgFWDaRx6XzMQs

[winged sun]

as soon as i consume darkest night

i shiv into vanish

i legit stop generating it

as u can see the buff isnt there

[main bridge]

We use dungeon slice normally

[winged sun]

no proc

[balmy condor]

Follow the blood better I guess then

[novel star]

just get more crit bro

[balmy condor]

Interesting bug

[novel star]

[winged sun]

im at giga high crit rn

[novel star]

ye

[winged sun]

i was proccing it

like

every 2-3

now after 20 FoK

0 procs

[novel star]

game is just dogshit

dno what to tell u

ggs

[spice surge]

Fwiw just any stat enchant is good

[blissful pumice]

is there a Macro if I use my Shiv + Tea Macro that i only use Tea if my shiv hits? Cause some times I press shiv and if I am not in range for it I use my tea, then shiv and use a second tea... 😄

[thorn thorn]

Me when a rogue hero talent is bugged

Business as usual

[winged quail]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[winged quail]

the shiv macro gives you some leeway

[brave stump]

But i need to cheese out more dmg in pulls to annoy my frost dk friend

[winged sun]

makes me wonder

if it was actually bugged entire expac

[balmy condor]

Nah

This is new

[winged sun]

im 100% sure it was fine in raid tho

cuz i did track it on mugzee mythic

for minmaxing drones FoKing

[static glacier]

@winged sun honestly id fucking know anymore

[winged quail]

i wonder if it's new tier, would unequipping it change anything?

[static glacier]

it did better on the 2t boss

[winged sun]

probably ye

[static glacier]

and worse on some of the aoe pulls

overall about the same as ftb for me

[cyan lily]

someone know how can i make the combo point on the last 3 points become from other color?

i use atrocity so i wanna change only this

[oblique jackal]

Anyone know top performing race?

[haughty moth]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[lucid silo]

holy shit deathstalkers mark is buggier than ever in raid

[marsh fjord]

let me geuss

your doing forgemaster

[winged quail]

that was not fun to find out

[lucid silo]

rip me

[buoyant herald]

can't replicate this, seems to be working fine for me. unhelpful i know

[winged sun]

hmm

idk whats causing it?

[buoyant herald]

no issue getting the buff before or after DN

[winged quail]

do you have tier set?

[marsh fjord]

ABOUT FUCKING TIME

[winged sun]

did u shiv into vanish into darkest night

bleed build ofc

[buoyant herald]

assume you mean consuming DN with env right after vanish? no but can try that for you

[winged quail]

im having the same issue, testing rn

once the buff falls off i can't get it back

[marsh fjord]

Wait whats issue?

What buff?

[winged sun]

ok idk i tried pressing random things and it stopped again

here no reset on fight nothing just doesnt proc anymore

[marsh fjord]

What are we looking at?

[winged sun]

this talent not proccing

[split veldt]

it's scientific fact that you do more deeps if you look good, so if anyone wants it:

#showtooltip Sprint
/use [nostealth] Prismatic Bauble
/use [nostealth] Blazing Shadowflame Cinder
/use [nostealth] Lampyridae Lure
/use [nostealth] Etheric Victory
/use [nostealth] Guise of the Phase Diver
/cast Sprint

[unkempt lantern]

i got one tier piece, and its heroic, should i catalize a second heroic for 2 set or wait, just want to see opninos

[winged sun]

well more of like i pressed shiv into vanish into DN

thats how it kinda went off

[winged quail]

it's shiv with 2 set

[buoyant herald]

shiv into vanish is stopping it yeah

might just be vanish?

[winged quail]

as soon as I shiv it stops working

[buoyant herald]

you reckon its shiv

[winged quail]

im gonna take set off and test

[buoyant herald]

lol i can't even get it to proc at all anymore

even after leaving combat

[marsh fjord]

You should sim it. but 2 set is very strong

[unkempt lantern]

i simed its increcibe

but i am debating wating on myhic track next week

[marsh fjord]

And between HC or normal piece it doesnt really matter.

Are you raiding?

between now and wednesday?

[unkempt lantern]

yeswe are a ce guild

yes today

[marsh fjord]

I would just go 2p

imo

[unkempt lantern]

we are the race to middle first guild

aka we clear mid tier

[winged sun]

oh so u did replicate it

nice

ok

[winged quail]

it's 2 set causing it, once you shiv momentum stops working

[winged sun]

ye i mean its perfect gameplay

idk

[winged quail]

i tested no set and 2 set

[winged sun]

cringe bug

[winged sun]

oh

[buoyant herald]

100% it's shiv causing it

[winged quail]

i tried shiv with no set and it's fine

[winged sun]

i wonder if follow the blood even works

[buoyant herald]

will relog and confirm

[winged sun]

no wonder i noticed my dps being insanely lower

with 4 set

?

[winged quail]

it's not even 4 set, i tried 4 set, 2 set and no set, it's 100% 2 set with shiv

unfortunate

[buoyant herald]

can confirm, took 2 set off and it's proccing just fine again

[barren spire]

What are some good macros

[winged sun]

@balmy condor its a 2/4 set thing thats disabling Momentum of Despair, could it also be disabling Follow the Blood too?

im not sure on how to test that

[buoyant herald]

is follow the blood a viewable buff on you?

[lofty nymph]

do we delay our shiv bnecause of longer

[winged quail]

just cook a no shiv build

[marsh fjord]

No. but the second shiv you want the last 8 seconds.

So there is a small gap in the middle

[winged sun]

its not

[lofty nymph]

Alright, thanks buddy

[winged sun]

thats why im concerned if it even work

works

[marsh fjord]

want me to make a weakaura that shows corrupt the blood?

and share

[winged sun]

Follow the Blood ye

would be sick

[marsh fjord]

Give me 5 minutes

[winged sun]

because like

if this doesnt work

im sorry to say but

[buoyant herald]

fatebound keys!

[winged sun]

4 set is a dps loss in m+

true

[buoyant herald]

or back to s2 set

cringe overload either way

[winged sun]

2 set is whats breaking it

so its fked bro

xdd

[winged quail]

yep :/

shiv is supposed to buff deathstalker damage but it just disables it

cool!

i wonder if it's the same for Sub, not that they would ever play DS

[winged sun]

sub doesnt have the sam e tier set

does it

[winged quail]

ye it's just symbols that buffs DS damage instead

[fresh kelp]

the sub ds one does also buff deathstalker effects but no one in their right mind would ever talent into that hero tree so

[spice surge]

When you press symbols you get a buff that lasts for 13 seconds that buffs ds damage effects ye

Its not tied to symbols though

So pandemic or inevitability does not affect the 2p

[winged quail]

[winged sun]

sucks to not be able to play momentum of despair because it straight up doesnt work

[rotund marsh]

do you guys bind tea into anything?

[winged quail]

bind to shiv

[rotund marsh]

ok ty

i have this old macro, is this correct?

[winged quail]

yep

[rotund marsh]

what does that do exactly?

[winged quail]

if you spam shiv you won't use all thistle tea charges

[rotund marsh]

ah ok

do we ever use tea by itself?

[winged quail]

nope

[marsh fjord]

Since follow the blood is no aura i gotta code it i think. im trying to see at the moment

need a bit longer

[lucid silo]

whats the meta flavor of baja blast for playing sin in m+

[spice surge]

Wdym you just hit a dummy and see if the number increases (it does)

[marsh fjord]

i wanted to make it an aura but it isnt showing up for me.

so zeross can see if its also bugged

they talkeda bout it a bit higher up

[topaz oak]

I'd like some advice on some crest usage. I have enough gilded crests to craft a weapon, and I'm wondering if I should. The BIS mythic weapon is off of Nexus-king, so I won't be able to get that at all prolly, since my guild has only been around 5/8 mythic. The crafted weapon is 5.2% dps increase from my current gear, and 2.2% more dps than heroic nexus-king dagger. It's worth crafting for sure, yeah? Or should I hold out a bit to see what I get from vault?

[buoyant herald]

before and after follow the blood

so that seems to be working

[sour bolt]

any1 got datas for bubbling wax ist it still viable or totally garbage and a waste of time to farm?

[marsh fjord]

You always want to craft a dagger. since you need 2 embellishment slots.

and dagger is one of them

[acoustic roost]

So even if you get a myth dagger you’ll still be using the crafted one and it won’t be going to waste

[marsh fjord]

Or you must be having 2 mythic saladhar mythis bis daggers wich is gonna be a long time from now

So your still getting value on it

at that point

[buoyant herald]

i think for ST at least

[marsh fjord]

you can craft a belt and put it on that or something

[topaz oak]

Cool thanks!

For mostly raid, are we running ascendence this tier or dawn thread on two other pieces?

[buoyant herald]

embellish offhand probably better than 723 anyway with other embellishments elsewhere

[winged sun]

u have 2 set equipped right?

[buoyant herald]

yep

[topaz oak]

Or is it a sim angle?

[winged sun]

its not being increased by a huge amount it looks like only 30% for me

which is basically just shiv

xd

idk

[buoyant herald]

wait

[winged sun]

ah

[marsh fjord]

You run the same that you ran last season. so ascendence with nerubian if im not mistaken

[buoyant herald]

i didn't shiv

[winged sun]

i didnt even rupture

so im gonna check

in a sec

[buoyant herald]

bad testing rip

[topaz oak]

Cool thanks! Appreciate it!

[marsh fjord]

You could always go to raidbots. top gear. and put the items in like the 2 saladhaar daggers on mythic and a mythic crafted dagger. + 2 embeliishments on two different slots and see how it sims

[winged sun]

ok

follow the blood completely works

100%

all the time

its just the other talent

so ye

[buoyant herald]

We would expect shiv to increase fok by 60% then right

[cursive hatch]

just ran a floodgate with momentum, don't see it in my buff list at all on details

[winged sun]

because it breaks with 2 set

dont play it

dps loss to run it

[buoyant herald]

Wait can’t math

48%

Good to know

That’s a fairly major bug for keys 😬

[marsh fjord]

Someone just send me this

What the helly

[vestal tapir]

Why does this line exist on icyveins when the opener and st guide don't have it in that order?

for shiv > deathmark

[lucid silo]

never try to understand the weeb brain

[normal mist]

The correct order is indeed shiv-DM

[spice surge]

Ye if only there was some sort of test realm where blizzard could get data on bugs like these

[marsh fjord]

Araz is nerfed already lol

[spice surge]

A shame there isnt

[sand otter]

love how i sim myself and it wantse Guile instead of radiant power.

[buoyant herald]

What’s wrong with that

[analog idol]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[sand otter]

oh nothing. just funny

[spice surge]

Any stat is probably higher than radiant

[sand otter]

Captain Guile, Street fighter..

nvm ill see myself out

[unborn wharf]

for dimensis damage amp is there an accelerated opener we do at all or still just rupture garrote envenom cds

[wise loom]

should i be using ironclaw or mana oil for M+

[balmy condor]

Oil

[wise loom]

ty

[balmy condor]

You could probably just raw dog dm off the rip but it’s pretty questionable

Fatebound luckily is already pretty condensed with the coins

So it’s not that big of an issue

Just do the normal opener

[unborn wharf]

kk sounds good

how do you send cds on heroic with 2 minuters?

before 4 set?

specifically teh platform

hold kb for dm?

[main bridge]

https://lorrgs.io/

[unborn wharf]

fair enough

[thorn thorn]

Who decided on that number

4.94% is annoyingly specific

[jaunty sky]

@marsh fjord whats your opinion on this number

[marsh fjord]

It looks very numerical

[spice surge]

Its just to make it a round number

Thats always the case when its not even

[marsh fjord]

someone complained that the numer was 4,94 to much and now they put 4,94 in out of spite

#rumors

[cursive hatch]

really wish bleed build felt better on single target. So miserable once your low energy and struggling to upkeep everything

rupturing orbs helps this week, but still

[buoyant herald]

Can’t have it all I guess

[jaunty sky]

I mean

Just dont overspend

[sand otter]

had no idea i can swap the fibers in the cloak... excellent

[spice surge]

I mean thats just assa on ST

[jaunty sky]

All u do between cds is keep dots up, cycle DSM and dont overcap energy

[spice surge]

Regardless of what build you play really

[thorn thorn]

Makes sense

[spice surge]

Blindside nets you a couple of extra casts per minute

[cursive hatch]

with 4pc your spending darkest night, which takes a good amount of energy

since your cycling them faster with shivs

[modern idol]

are we still recommending bleed build in 12+ keys?

[magic fossil]

@balmy condor which video you explain fatebound rotation, 3 hours long?

trying to find and failed miserable

[jaunty sky]

Yes

[sand otter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZXEXxFABJM&ab_channel=Whíspyr

[modern idol]

wobble

question

[magic fossil]

@sand otter ty sweetie

[sand otter]

i have this one repeat.... its my ASMR of the week honestly.

im determined to not be garbage this patch

[jaunty sky]

You may ask

[dense cove]

any idea why my details shows i just did 7.55m overall in a 10 priory but warcraftlogs only shows 6.81m?

[sand otter]

other rogue in my raid group is parsing 97 and i cry everytime.

[modern idol]

in an initial pull on a higher key is it better to spread rupture and garrote for the full duration or is it more optimal to throw two ruptures and open into deathmark/rotation

[spice surge]

Details shows in combat, wcl shows total timer, which accounts for downtime outside of combat

[marsh fjord]

There is no difference only in the opener.

Here you go

Stealth - Mutilate - if 5+ you rupture. if not you garrote then rupture. build to 5+ and envenom. you press shiv - then vanish - then DM - then kingsbane + coldblood macro - then shiv again when last 8 seconds. and the rest is already the same

[modern idol]

im pulling 20mil+ on like Flood but im like whats better

like a massive pack w/ 15-18 mobs

[dense cove]

ahhh, makes sense then. ty. could you take a look at this sim report and see if you think this looks correct? it's a m+ bleed build sim and it's telling me not to wear embellishment boots from last season, i guess i trust it?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w6H3JjLeK52MqFMs868D9G

[modern idol]

im getting an essay and im stoked for it

[jaunty sky]

Courtesy of whispyr
Basically at least 5 ruptures out for scent, most likely a similar amount of garrotes bc you wanna get CT rolling and start CDs

[modern idol]

mmmm so really u only press rupture twice cause you'd get the 5 off of that

obv refresh as it drops

[marsh fjord]

I mean for scent yes.

but if you want damage. and pack lives long enough you can always rupture more

[jaunty sky]

Fully depends on how long shit actually stays alive, which mobs get auto targeted by your IC spreads and some super complicated math where you can try to calculate how much more dmg extra ruptures would give

[marsh fjord]

if a pack has 10-12 mobs. im rupturing them all

[modern idol]

but technically you'd be losing value

[magic fossil]

@numbers thanks mate, thats amazing

[marsh fjord]

Yes because scent is only 5 stacks

[jaunty sky]

Which pack has 10+ mobs living longer than like 20s tho

[marsh fjord]

beside that its just damage

[marsh fjord]

First pull in floodgate on 12/13s atm live quite long

[modern idol]

yeah, so after scent is proc'd your damage is spent better elsewhere

[marsh fjord]

thats around 10 mobs

[modern idol]

idk man i just did a 13 and it was like a 30-40ish second w/ lust

[jaunty sky]

Yeah then u could try to spread more

[sand otter]

I did a 7 and didnit die...

so im proud

[marsh fjord]

i just think of that i always rupture 90% of the mobs in the pack

[jaunty sky]

But also, depends on how your whole group does dmg

[modern idol]

i just didnt know if i was losing value by overcasting rupture it seems like i was

[jaunty sky]

And if theyre all good at pressing buttons

[modern idol]

bc i been spamming the fker making sure it's spread

but it seems like - stop wasting time on rupture spread - go into your crimson tempest/deathmark/rotation sooner

[jaunty sky]

Its pretty feelycrafty

[modern idol]

and stop wasting time on rupture

[jaunty sky]

I normally throw a CT out after first rupture

Dunno if its good

[modern idol]

i usually double rupture b/c of the combo pt refund

[tall atlas]

I vanish during mobs execute window if a lot of them are there at the same time for massive sudden demise damage

Chuck a few garrotes and rups out

Think my highest demise atm is 53mil?

[marsh fjord]

When there is like a 10 mob pack. i rapture most of them + garrote. then CT + mut + DM. then vanish again. and garrote/rupture 2 times. and hit envenom,s

[modern idol]

yeah, thats really smart i've thought of that but im bad abt saving my vanish's for packs that are near end

[tall atlas]

Yeah p much this

[quiet oriole]

You guys full send CDs in M+ soon as you get big packs and as often as possible or sometimes save for boss pull if it won't be up in time?

[tall atlas]

If I’m lazy I’ll vanish and redo CDs

[tall atlas]

Save for boss

Well

Depends

[modern idol]

depends honestly

[jaunty sky]

I try to not keep them for too long

[quiet oriole]

Like obvs not right before

[tall atlas]

Depends on the affix, the dungeon

Well if you will get the cooldown during the fight then do it

So 2 packs before probs 1 pack before no

[quiet oriole]

I guess i can start to look at routes and just find best windows

[tall atlas]

Nah dw about routes man

[jaunty sky]

Yeah if tanks are pulling 'around' cds you can try to send according to that

[quiet oriole]

Like make sure I have for when I know we will lust and shit

I guess just more practice with the new dungs to know when ill be able to pop cds

Its hard when we are so reliant on tank pulls and seems like every one is different

[jaunty sky]

If you got a tank victim friend to yell at its a lot easier

[west crown]

Anyone finding that keys are turning into Floodgate and Streets more than anything else?

[jaunty sky]

How big is your sample size

[thorn thorn]

We have had so many fucking floodgates

[west crown]

the 10 keys I've done today and seeing an abnormal amount of them in the finder

[thorn thorn]

People want seaforium

My group keeps getting floodgates

[main bridge]

FG is a fun key

[jaunty sky]

I want a seaforium actually

I got the weird 2min on use from tavazesh

[thorn thorn]

Kind of annoying when trying to get 2k and we keep getting the same 3 dungeons

[vestal tapir]

I'm new to sin - in aoe, can I just spam garrote / rupture on one target? Is it "smart" targetting?

[jaunty sky]

I still only got a +2 dome cause we didnt get that key again

[vestal tapir]

or do I need to tab target

[jaunty sky]

Its smart targeting but swapping target is better

[thorn thorn]

We are getting only dome, floodgate, and hoa

we have gotten 1 ara kara, a streets we bricked cuz item bugged, and a gambit we failed the shit out of

Every other key has been dome, floodgate, and hoa

[jaunty sky]

I had a streets 10 > ara 11 > gambit 10 > ara 11 > flood 12 today

[thorn thorn]

[unborn wharf]

should we be refreshing rupture basically before each kingsbane on fatebound if its at like 15 seconds or less left?

[jaunty sky]

First ara 11 we failed by 7 seconds mostly bc our tank was like 'trust me guys i interrupt fear' and 5 seconds later after we interrupted other shit he was like ' i dont have this one someone get it'

[jaunty sky]

You wanna cast as many envenoms as possible in KB so yeah

[thorn thorn]

[jaunty sky]

I gotta figure out my setup on some pulls in there tho

I fumble so hard sometimes

[fickle obsidian]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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LE's Group
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Devlin's Group
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Whispyr's Plater

[slim copper]

whats the oil called we suppose to use?

[sand otter]

Algari Mana oil

[rotund marsh]

is this thing ass?

[jaunty sky]

Yeah

[rotund marsh]

rip, maybe it will get buffed

[sand otter]

well i got 704 weps. and was able to do 4 M+ this week. so now i just wait till Tuesday.

[fierce cipher]

Hey everyone.

[uneven sable]

guys I might be dumb, but i'm new to sin and fatebound especially. What is causing kb to be 45 seconds?

[zenith coral]

proccing darkest night looks more important]

lemme just delete

[timid widget]

The fatbound build changes your cds and dmg profile to a 1:30 build

[uneven sable]

its my fucking 4 set

gg

i didnt know what the fatebound 4 set was, equipped it between bosses and was like man wtf is goin on

[timid widget]

I believe its part of the reason fate has pulled ahead in st

[cursive hatch]

fatebound is ahead without it, but it helps it a lot

it just does a lot of damage

[uneven sable]

do we just shiv during last 8 seconds of the one between deathmarks?

[idle vine]

is council's guile still the optimal enchant for m+?

[cursive hatch]

yeah

[scarlet wyvern]

sry where is the pin where whisp said that 2p old set 2p new set is suepr duper strong?

its deleted

[desert spire]

If we dont have 2 set or 4 set is it better to run the old build from season two?

[novel dock]

/macro

[cursive hatch]

in single target fatebound usually still sims higher

[novel dock]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[desert spire]

kk ty

[hexed root]

!loot

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[hexed root]

does anyone have an explanation for how the loot from streets/gambit is working or still unknown? the graphic isn't accurate to my knowledge.

[exotic pulsar]

do we spread ruptures on fatebound single target raid build if there are multi targets?

like on add platform for salhadaar

[novel star]

not really? only for energy

or an add that lives for a real long time

but that’s kinda the same thing

so

getting energy to mash envenoms and abuse spatter is all that really matters i think

ig salad guy has multiple tanky mobs so you may as well but also, being fatebound you’re sending dm on the platform and dm is carrying your energy so it’s unnecessary

[static glacier]

no, it's not

we snipe dying targets with rupture too]

for energy

[novel star]

i am very aware

[static glacier]

then don't say its the same thing as dotting a long lived target

both are correct

[cursive hatch]

if its a prio target you can instead caustic off of it onto the boss (dimensius p1 adds for example)

[static glacier]

but they're not the same

[novel star]

sniping is kinda fake news tho, mobs have to live for a while for it to be a gain

[static glacier]

nah, they don't

unless the value of energy drastically changed between s2 and s3

or if they fixed venemous vounds rupture refund givinmg 25% more energy than expected

[exotic pulsar]

yeah my energy on platform is fine

jsut wondering if envenom with spatter is worth more than keeping ruptures up

[novel star]

maybe i have outdated brain

[severe meadow]

Sniping low health is worth

[static glacier]

there was a whole debate about ti last patch

initial consensus was that its not worth

[novel star]

either way it doesn’t matter in the fb salad context

[static glacier]

then we figured out that tooltips are wrong

and the energy refund is 25% more than expected and voila sniping has been good

it was v good on bandit for example

even if going from left to right adds and middle is about to die you'd snipe it

or the lil bomb adds, youd rupture the last one alive for energy

[novel star]

yeah i’m just thinking of s1 shit

mb

[static glacier]

its cool

[novel star]

regardless:

[static glacier]

one trick you can use

if you get multiple adds and have sbs

[glacial willow]

what do i sim for m+ as assa/ bleed build?

[novel star]

dm on every plat makes it not matter

[static glacier]

is just back to back low cp rupture on 2-3 adds

[novel star]

dslice

[static glacier]

it was useful on gally

[primal egret]

Guildly is saying caustic got nerfed by 20%?

Chat is this true

[static glacier]

ur guildie is cooked xd

its closer to 2-3% iirc

and it was a bugfix, not a nerf

[primal egret]

2-3% overall damage or just splatter

[static glacier]

it was double dipping the aura buffs, no sense in buffing the conversion rate AND the nature dmg that feeds into it

spatter

[novel star]

spatter

pins

[primal egret]

Thank you for the info

[static glacier]

its not that big dw

[novel star]

it went from 48% to 40%

[hollow talon]

you guys use tank brann or dps brann in solo delves

[subtle crown]

Healer brann

[fierce cipher]

Hey yall, So random question. I have a rogue thats at lvl 70 that i havent played since the beginning of DF and i really dont remember how to play it much less playing assassination. Would yall recommend starting a new one or try to work the 70 up?

[scarlet wyvern]

play the 70 one to 80 and the nplay it on 80 to see if the class is for you

rogue is one of the least played classes

[fierce cipher]

yea. its technical thats for sure

[scarlet wyvern]

depends on what you wanna play and how you wanna play the game

if you are in for raw theorycrafting and minmaxing with carpal tunnel syndrome then rogue might be your go to class

[split grail]

Here's a dumb question: When I'm simming does it matter if I copy/paste from my m+ build if I'm simmming for raid?

[fierce cipher]

lol is fatebound or deathstalker better

[split grail]

For ST fatebound right now. Though it's close enough youy can really play what you want I believe

cleave and m+ deathstalker

[peak helm]

Seems weird that a 701 belt would be simming higher for me than 701 DISC belt yeah?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/91SbJKQCwqmKaz2bvosRkF

[sullen hedge]

i was mid dungeon and completely forgot i asked this question, okay thats really good to know i need to start doing that

appreciate it

[buoyant herald]

im going to make your life worse though and tell you it's a small optimisation to tab around so you get 6 out per 2 casts instead of 5

but it's very small and i'd recommend working on that later lol

[sullen hedge]

yeah thats what i was thinking, but im not even sure how worth it it is if im not doing that perfectly

might just be a dps increase to spam on 1

[buoyant herald]

when i tried it i think i probably lost more dps from hectically trying to find my mark target again, not hitting mark target for so long etc

than i gained from the 6th garotte/rupture

[sullen hedge]

yeah exactly what im thinking

[main bridge]

Whispyr's plater makes the DM target's HP bar different

helps a lot with that

[buoyant herald]

it's not so much finding the plate, it's selecting it again when there's 12 mobs running around like psychos and the plates are moving all over the place 😂

[sullen hedge]

yeah same lol

[buoyant herald]

i could be smart and focus it or something but

tbh

im not playing at a level where i need to get that good, prefer to just be cozy

[thick sigil]

Mouseover macros for bleed spread tho

[buoyant herald]

tbh i tried that as well

and ended up accidentally rupturing other targets than my main one

i mean yeah it's all just skill issue

its not necessarily hard

[dire briar]

hit a fat 18.5 mil envenom on heroic plexus

no tier set, felt amazing

[thick sigil]

Way more effort than some classes tho, atleast compared to my mage alt 😂

[buoyant herald]

yeah i don't mind it, i think newer players often tend to feel like they NEED to hit every 0.5% optimization and miss the forest for the trees

[balmy condor]

bro you got slammed by my guilds boomkin, I'm not going to hear the end of it now

[balmy condor]

what the hell is this my good sir

[buoyant herald]

my mans not logged in since 11.1.7

[delicate isle]

What reason on burst press vanish to get crit?

[sullen fjord]

is the sudden demise damage corrupted just in details or is it a talent problem?

[main bridge]

master assassin if you're running bleed build

[buoyant herald]

also this if fatebound

[humble ginkgo]

mythic dagger acquired

im ascending

[buoyant herald]

was there another sin rogue in your group?

crazy for them to proc it on every mob before you though

[humble ginkgo]

not hate watching?

ik cerai was

[runic hinge]

i hope you have a good day

[humble ginkgo]

[humble ginkgo]

❤️‍🩹

[sudden brook]

He's praying on your downfall

"guy why is skips damage so low"

[humble ginkgo]

dude

i was owning that boss

wtf is he talking about

how much dam did u do

[sudden brook]

[humble ginkgo]

show or bust

wont accept this slander

you havent even killed

[sudden brook]

I'm not slandering wtf

I'm on your side

[humble ginkgo]

i know

i was just wondering

lmk how much u do

ive been

stalking every other rogue

https://tenor.com/view/dog-water-balance-animal-fur-baby-gif-18087622

assa is so good dude

we will never see a sub tier

every ptr it looks like a sub tier

until its not

[sudden brook]

Dimensius legit might be

All the downtime is a buff

Plus it geta buffed in a week or two

Right in time for last 2

[humble ginkgo]

idk fatebound cds are really good + execute

knowing blizzard

assa gets nerfed by a tiny bit and nothing else

[peak helm]

ooooooof ty

[sinful night]

how does rogue pump so hard in mythic plus when they dont use kingsbane in the new tier?

[digital venture]

wondering if the fact that fatebound wants more crit than mastery, will hurt the deathstalker gameplay on m+ or if it's whatever since we are a ilvl hungry spec?

[main bridge]

you can just wear different gear for different builds

[balmy condor]

it's whatever

crit is still good

[main bridge]

bleed got a lot of buffs this season

[balmy condor]

that's not even really all that true

[digital venture]

i'm not that much of a tryhard to farm 2 sets X.X

[main bridge]

they buffed bleed twice right? i think that's 2 more than last season

[balmy condor]

comparatively, evenom is like 15% stronger than CT than it was last patch

bleed build aoe is just really good in general

it's kinda always been this

[static glacier]

they decided lets overtune the fuck outa ct and because they decided that our aoe damage is gated by bleeds and restealths effectively give us a cd therefore we can blast overall. On the flipside deathmark doesn't do much for our aoe without kingsbane

closest thing I can compare how sin functions atm would be OLD arcane mage

back when its damage was gated by mana

[digital venture]

embelishments are still whatever as well?

[static glacier]

in theory they could blast every pack if you gave them mana breaks

[balmy condor]

embellishments are all like 0.8% yeah

[digital venture]

trying to figure out what to do with the 1st weapon craft regarding enchants and embelishments so the question. I'll try some more sims and see what I get

[static glacier]

just slap ascension or blessed wep grip on the dagger

[cerulean nest]

I have 1 embel, shit gear, no tier or new trinkets and Im shitting on every key

sin broken

[sinful night]

any idea how far ahead bleed with no kingsbane build vs kingsbane 2 piece build is?

[balmy condor]

depends what you think a "kingsbane" build is

[sinful night]

hybrid

[main bridge]

you can sim any talent build you want

[digital venture]

like the sound of that since my old dagger stil has wep grip

[balmy condor]

hybrid is by far the worst of the archetypes available

wouldn't be surprised if it was like 8-10% behind

[static glacier]

the ambush / mut buffs helped out bleed's st more a lot more than it did for hybrid since it takes blindside

i've favoured bleed build ever since it was a thing in s3 df

[balmy condor]

hybrid is basically the same shit single target but with all the extra downsides of taking poison stuff in m+

legit just a lose/lose

[static glacier]

ngl, Im super happy AP finally found its place

I remember when they gave it in df and we didn't really get to play it much

[sinful night]

ill have to sim but its feeling like i should just stay 4 piece old tier

[balmy condor]

HUH

[static glacier]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

trust me

[sinful night]

but the tierset is for kingsbane

[static glacier]

the envenoms with new 2pc

go so hard

old tierset does nothing for kb

??

[balmy condor]

the fatebound tierset is for kingsbane

you wouldn't play fatebound in m+

that's like another 10% loss

probably closer to 15% tbh

[sinful night]

o i see the the description changes based on hero spec

thats what was confusing me

[floral vale]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[haughty flicker]

fatebound bleed build gaming

[balmy condor]

yes, season 3 tier sets are per hero talent, not per spec

[sinful night]

my mistake lads dont kill me lol

adn lasses

[dense cedar]

hell chamber for stealthcox

[fathom flax]

with crit being so valued does a world exist where we use 2x netherspikes and 2x crit embells? haha

[static glacier]

can you guys imagine how cracked a link from amp to ttb would be?

[balmy condor]

wtf is a netherspike

[fathom flax]

nexus king dagger

[balmy condor]

what's special about that

[fathom flax]

heavy crit

[balmy condor]

oh

fuck no lmao

you're not going to swap half your gear just because you could get an extra 0.15% crit from a dagger bro

[static glacier]

if you're rich and for some reason have a fetish for crit there is a boe ring with ONLY crit on it, that + first boss ring

you're drowning in crit

[fathom flax]

and the super duper value of 3 ilvls on your offhand gosh

/s

[static glacier]

honestly the rush from fatebound on last boss nw is actually so good

mut > env repeat for the whole duration of the crit buff

[runic hinge]

total or individually

[balmy condor]

individ

[fathom flax]

the guild didnt give me a netherprism because the hunter i was up against cried and said because its not on my overall bis list but it is on his he should get it

this is all your fault @balmy condor

[tawdry halo]

Hunter crying for loot

What is this 2005?

[balmy condor]

it's my fault your loot council is dumb as shit?

mb

[tawdry halo]

[fathom flax]

hes such a degen he just told me he unironically has everyones bis lists open so he knows who he is up against

and has his 4 diff lists for spec/heros ready to go

[tawdry halo]

[fathom flax]

yeah i dont think he realised how cringe he was

[tawdry halo]

Most unnecessarily sweaty thing

[peak helm]

bro just make a spreadsheet and say that you simmed it yourself and wowhead got it wrong and then you can just swap in trinkets as they drop and link it to your raid lead

[balmy condor]

you see, in my guild that would guarantee that you wouldn't get gear

[peak helm]

if they're going to listen to dumb shit like that

[tawdry halo]

It’s also just so on brand

For a hunter

[tawdry halo]

That can’t be right, comparing BiS lists is the objectively correct way to assign loot

Definitely no better way

[severe orchid]

Any other M+ builds for assassination? I like the bleed build but single target seems kinda meh

[tawdry halo]

Single target never good for assassin in m+

[balmy condor]

have you opened the wowhead guide perhaps

[dense cedar]

It begins

[balmy condor]

[dense cedar]

[earnest plume]

Question: Are bleeds dynamic? As in, if I set up, deathmark, kingsbane, then have ancestral call macro'd in to shiv, will it be applied to existing bleeds?

[glad ferry]

At what ilvl do I wanna swap delve belt

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

710ish

[glad ferry]

ty

[balmy condor]

(when it sims higher)

[zenith coral]

when a tank is perma chain pulling are you throwing low cp ruptures for scent? how does yall do it?

[tawdry halo]

Send normal 5+ CP ruptures

Shouldn’t be hard with the combo points generated from Foam

*FoK

[zenith coral]

and dm falls on backburner? til rups are up?

[tawdry halo]

DM is a single target gain

[zenith coral]

hmmm

good point

ty

"funnel" yes?

[balmy condor]

what about funnel

[zenith coral]

dm.. was talking ab chain pulling not being able to stealth to apply bleeds so was just wondering prio

[balmy condor]

dm is a single target 2 min cooldown

[zenith coral]

seems ruptures for aoe while dm is st gain

oh

[tawdry halo]

You know

[zenith coral]

i meant

yes

[tawdry halo]

There’s an excellent guide that goes in depth about this

[zenith coral]

ds

[balmy condor]

the mark?

[zenith coral]

yes deathstalker not dm got mixed up

[tawdry halo]

Oh