#assassination
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is there a way to guarentee the 7% agaility for the rest of combat thing with fatebound?
What do you think what the best talent build is for tazavesh hard mode? since you can do very small pulls and only need to blast bosses im thinking of FB ST build with splatter
It’s not m+ ya know
You can just change talents
yoooo your right 😄
!tea
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.
#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane
Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
Double 2pc is good with fatebound 👍 psa
whats the better guide to read up on for assa in m+ ?
Wowhead
hey is there a command for optimal stats on full bleed build?
!stats
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
- Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
ty!
Hey whispyr
i know you dont particularly like me
but i got a question for you
is the iron wire change intended?
its working during your IC window now
It has always done that, yes
oh damn
I just hadnt noticed it then
i've been running iron wire a lot w/ bleed build, helps a ton
!gear
I mean its not a big loss if you drop double shiv for it
its more of a loss if you wipe 😮
I have the new 4p
For shiv duration
I only drop the 2nd shiv for delves
To get iron wire so I can be lazy
Or stop a lot of casts
Losing double shiv is kinda big in bleed imo
is there a command that has some repository for enchant sims, food, oils etc
Yes it’s called top gear
is there a known bug with momentum of despair? seems to be just straight up not working for me
!wa
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Whispyr's Plater
shouldnt rupture be way higher ?
Works fine for me idk
i love bleed
No
unfortunately i cant put all the weapon runes on top gear but ty
Oils gonna be better by about 0.2% for everyone you can just sim with it idk
I am literally that guy
ok ty big fan
No
so weird, i can get it procced once upon logging in but once it drops, it will never proc again until i relog. just looked and had a dungeon with literally no uptime on it
Cold bluh
Cold 
Col 
@balmy condor just noticed you used jundies as a base, my fav thing about jundies plater was the name of the dragons in ruby santume...thunderc...
Cheers
is bro in starter gear?
how 
even with broken gear, how
vdh
does someone has the sim string for the different boe ring's with different stats from the raid?
no looks good
heres my breakdown
few keys rupture will do more
not all
this is about as perfect gameplay kind of breakdown u could get
% changes based on keys and key level
this is a +10 so sudden demise is doing more than normal
how do u even get those numbers....
to be fair it was a +5 LOL
Sin is blasting last shield on first m boss
my max is 4m overall
In no world is rupture ever close to my caustic damage, personally
It’s it’s nuts. Fatebound is good.
i cant really even understand what's wrong tbh
More CT uptime?
Press more bleed
they always on mobs
Im new to sin, what poisons do i use
!poison
You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:
Lethals:
- Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
Non-Lethals: - Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB
Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used
details breakdowns are not a good way to analyze performance
Tyty!
Whats with Keys? Ive never listed my own key for so long and not have a single person queue up
Be sure you didnt somehow queu MYTHIC instead of MYTHIC +
Set to Keystones
On big pulls try to multi garrote/rapture as many mobs as you can then find the highest hp mob and dump all cds into it, fan/envenom and keep CT up
BOE rings are locked in ilvl ? or are we allowed to use crests to upgrade them ?
well here u have 6% and it still makes more damage
is crippling poison a play at the start of gambit?
So when’s the nerf hitting boys
Blizz never lets us enjoy more than a week of a new season
yea im doing just like that
We are under the radar for now

OH lol nvm that
yes this is a good idea to stop the runners
it isnt counting that shit properly nvm @mystic plover
You can also hit a second CT when mobs are dying for bigger execute
i think so, because rupture always uptime
RWF isn’t even bringing rogue. We don’t need a nerf
My sin is doing 8-9m overalls in 10s rn and I’m sitting on my guilded crests
Yea I did 8.5m in eco-dome 12 last night still sitting on 2pc waiting for next week's vault
Caustic is a bit absurd
with bleed m+ build, on single target, do we stay above 150 energy for sanguine blades to work? even if that means less envenom uptime?
doing hardmode tomorrow im scared
Just remember, dieing is cringe
Probably why it caught a nerf
I am dreading the hardmode runs, shits gonna get toxic
I think it’s just most of the m+ this seasons have a big hp mob we can cleave off
No
try to force staying below 150? or just do whatever?
how tf yall doing this
Spread bleed, slam dam on caustic target
By doing damage
Press shiv on cd in aoe

hold up
If you got a log we review it tho
Typically you don’t wanna be above 50%
r u for real now????
no way
Crazy stuff
my group is a content group we got the funniest mfs in onw group and making a guy who is known for dying a little more than usual OS tank it
confirmed chinese meta?
i know the 4th one
If we actually believe they always tune for raid only, then we definitely arent getting nerfed
nice fella
I am taking the Bleed Build but it kinda blows on single target. Serrated Bone Spikes doesn't seem to be doing much (unless im missing something). I was thinking about dropping it for Kingsbane to help out my single target. Is that an awful idea?
yes
why does he have 3 commas in his name
Yes
sbs value isnt its damage its the combo points and lethal dose stacks
idk
In ST do we want to only shiv around cooldowns? So 2 for DM and 2 for KB?
Yes
Uber
Have you been back to the gym
im sorry if this is in the guide but if i have darkest hour up and my bleeds are falling off whats the move from there?
Worth spending the crests on or save for something else?
darkest night is prio over anything else you could do
what's ur highest on dummies? u just can't hit more then 11 on them
How would that happen
Hey I've seen people asking about Cursed Stone Idol is it worth running over lily if you have both?
idk how you'd be in that situation yeah
you'd have to somehow be at max cp with darkest night up but not have pressed mut/ambush within the last 10 seconds
If spatter is almost running out you generate with mutilate anyway instead of fok, so you should never have full cp but no spatter
!fuu
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
When is the best time to vanish during DM using Bleed build? During the 2nd Shiv?
why do u have 500m more on every number 🙁
He’s doing more damage
Generally no, CSI is a bit undertuned
Is it worth keeping 2pc undermine if I only have 658 ilvl pieces
you can sim it
Send it, you wont be replacing it till its myth track
are all 3 rogue specs pretty good right now cuz i seem sub outlaw and ass all in higher keys
im trying to figure out what spec to play
try them all and see what's fun for you
They are all good, play what’s fun
Okay good just wanted to see in case I need crest for something else. So with the remaining crests do I send a full 720 weapon craft? Or use the free crest from killing last boss?
sim top gear if you're wondering about upgrades
i need 2 non dagger weapons for outlaw right?
just one
oh shit
!sims
Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
Never seen councils Guile as a weapon enchant - thats very specific to assassin i guess? how does authority of the depths and radiant power line up?
do we ever use poison knife
not very often no
Yeah you spam it to become the ranged rogue spec
isnt that the crit enchant
ah so a better surv hunter
I use it all the time when I rip agro and have to run for 10mins until the tank realises
The crit enchants gave me 1,3% extra dps over depths btw
so should i craft a dagger considering itll be used in all 3 specs
It can pull ahead for fatebound if you are lacking a lot of crit
It even pulled ahead for me on DS
Crit enchant is better but i guarantee in aoe its better for mastery
The fiber also wanted me to be crit
they say the chance to get loot is 40% per dungeon, so why did i run 10+ dungeons today with no loot? T.T
@balmy condor In ur vid you talked about changing the colors of the recolor for debuff plater mod. If a small brain wanted to edit it a bit (increase border size of crimson tempest and or add an effect to the border) is complicated to edit or easy enough any1 could figure it out?
Yeah i just have all 4
Yeah
i need to farm for lily
thoughts on crafting 2x 720 daggers?
Changing some of the border variables is easy, I have the code laid out with comments if you click on the mod
offhand doesnt do shit
Anything passed that is rough
Terrible
!macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.
#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane
Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
e.g. mh craft and bracers
Top gear currently suggests that equipping a belt of equal ilvl to delve belt is a 50 k upgrade. Is it an error in sims, or is delve belt simply not better?
Yeah vault just get lucky
@balmy condor How come the Soul Hunters build on Wowhead doesn't have CT?
There is a CT version
Do you have the correct belt power selected
Before you /simc
I thought I found it here but nothing happened after changing line thickness so I imagine im editing something stupidly
Currently using charged bolts
Hmmm
Yeah that’s terrible
Gotcha, ty
I’ll check when I get home
oh thank you, you the goat ❤️
Isn't charged bolts the iteration used in all logs currently?
So if I upgrade the Araz's Ritual Forge trinket to 6/6 hero, I have left over crests, is it worth instantly crafting my 720 dagger, or should I just use the free enchanted runed crest and craft it at 704 ilvl instead and save the crests for something else?
Sim question but probably would suggest a dagger and not sending crests on a trinket that you can’t use on fatebound
can't use this on fatebound?
oh is it because fatebound becomes 1min 30s or something
fatebound is 1.5
How do you sim between mana oil and whetstone ?
do you run 2 sims with each one ofo them ?
git it
Not sure what to do then tbh
Craft a dagger
and with the remaining crests?
Get stuff to 704
save
And then wait for myth
!craft
Preferences currently are boot/wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" overall, but Blessed Weapon Grip + Dawnthread can be VERY VERY slightly better in m+
Always craft a dagger for at least an offhand. Put Ascencion or Blessed Weapon Grip on it. Additional Crafts should be Boots/Cape/Wrist/Belt for your second embellishment, after that whatever low item level slot is fine, necks can be good crafts.
If you have a myth track weapon in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
Weapon is the best unless you’re that confident in getting a myth wep first m+ vault
Cant wait to raid tomorrow with signet giving crit 
what the helly
Just farm more
yeah I did that but I was thinking of crafting a crit mastery ring over the embelishment

everyone in the game wants that crit mastery from boss 2...
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
- Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
You dont just stack mastery crit
No I just like having crit
or a neck
oh yeah it doesnt have to have mastery on it
Thats right
braindamage from pugs sorry
realistically you dont want to hit any stat drs
will do it
Even filter for crit if you really want it
less stat is just bad
Alot of Bleed builds on lorrgs
Its first week
People just pick whatever makes sense to them

Im saying clearly one build is working better no? hahah
build is only one aspect of performance

Ofc! But we are talking builds hahah
Idk week 1 logs are mostly who either wfhs or takes work off to sweat m+
convos between myself and my former co-rogue who rerolled this tier
Lets not be like ret paladins and make assumptions after not even a full week of data
am i rolling with the wrong stats for assa?
how are your guilds doing araz it feels weird with deathstalker
Could realistically just take all of them and just sim
araz heroic felt fine
!stats
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
- Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
did your guild pull the add out from the boss or did you cleave orbs with image
hes talking rwf, regardless the choice between having st and cleave for raid is sadge
Thats why Im bringing it up, why are logs and sims telling diff things then hahaha
why choose, send the 7th devoker casting engulf on add spawns
Yeah I don’t understand why
Because yet again, they just pick whatever. I just used m+ build aswell because I cba making a build with no data
Does claiming the renown rewards from the factions that give crests and stuff count towards the cap or not
Tho ct is definitely a pick there
Its a cap of 90, wep cost 60 and full upgrade is 30
Whispers said not worth upgrading because I cant use it in FB? still think I should send upgrade? tbf can just use it only in m+ anyway
you can get 15 extra hero and myth crests that ignore the cap from the cracked keystone quest from completing 11 bountiful
Yeah, mainly wanting to know for the others the lower tier ones
finally dropped neck
Close it down
xleave orb
I disagree with " picking whatever " hahah I pulled the boss 1 time on heroic and realized the recommended build on wowhead was not it
Gimme. Im missing that and another set of rings for sub
araz?
ye
heroic?
2
@balmy condor wouldnt the soulhunters build drop 1 vv for ic?
since we spam fok anyway
other than that idk if its momentum or follow the blood
idk what else to say
You wouldn’t
on 3 we don't?
No?
!fok
Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
They most of the time not stacked up tho
Spatter harder
forgot aboiut vv
what build do u guys use in higher streets keys
Chill soulbinder
bleed, there is no other choice
tierset locks it
thought so ty
KB in the bin
for soulbinder
Someone earlier did bet on cleave making a high key comeback everywhere 
People say bleed st sucks
Id bet on sub being brought over cleave build. 
but still ending bosses over 3m
if they somehow cook ap with it sure
so idk
im simming some builds for soulhunters atm
Praying
Big momma you do 300 gazillion 
lmao i love looking at big momma breakdown
”have you targeted an add once”
”nope”
singular focus almost catching up to envenoms on big targets
is so funny
whats up dudes, getting weird sim results. What i thought you be an upgrade turns into a downgrade. Are we still usiing dslice for m+?
Yes
@balmy condor how much was the hotfix to our overall
Does anyone know if it's possible to make it so that plater would move the nameplate w/ Deathstalkers Mark to the top so it's always clickable in a big pack? Even with the stacked nameplates thing it seems to get lost behind a bunch of other bars
Should probably send one as an example
I was just cuurious but if someone will take a look and tell me im a donkey im game lol
Bleed pure ST is not good. If you are able to have adds it's not bad
just got some bracers i thought would of been and upgrade and it was a downgrade, why I aksed
Well it doesnt want you to drop your embelishment
Seems normal to me
ya i didnt think they were that strong
But its also within margin of error
for sure, thanks!
all ima say is
something is real cooked
I simmed 3t and best build didnt have ap
Realistically soulhunters is probably a sub boss
I thought sub kinda struggled at low target cleave
Idk with current bp tuning
you’d still send your secret techniques with nimble
and coup
can't hurt to sim sub too I guess
might be unironically outlaw
precise cuts is kinda cracked
Really depends how mythic changes it


everything does the same
pick one with many installs
check it out
if it doesnt work
pick something else
all are created to outline
does anyone know what kind of timer this is?
Mythic Plus Timer
warp delete addon
Could be one of those UI packages that use Warp Delete



are the 2 hero talents close in power?
its warp delete addon lol
They do different things and both are good at what they do
in terms of what?Single target or ''aoe''?
aoe
I don't remmeber ever usin warp delete but maybe i'm just forgetting
Well in constant aoe only deathstalker is good
no deathstalker is superior to aoe,by far
like where would i want to use fatebound over DS and vise versa
It's called Warp Deplete
FB is for ST
Fatebound is played on like 5/8 raid bosses tho
no crimson tempest? wtf
FB for ST, DS for everything else
is that bleed build dead?
No?
imagine speccing into deathstalker to order pizza
wait to ambush that pizza guy
lol
gotta 7 point DN those garlic knots man
Its like one of the best m+ specs in the game atm
Did that last night...
Whatever -20% of caustic
what bug
Very powerful queen
any got some insight on a sweet Mythic + weakaura to help track things in the dungeons?
Also fatebound can die in a fire
is iron wire workable? or is there nothing worth dropping for it
love some 16 tails flips
damage loss
probably drop double shiv or MA
if you want it
But just dont
whispyr tried to show how coinflippin' works in fatebound on the dormogal dummy
he flipped like 15 times
yeah i saw that
i wonder if double shiv would even be the best drop anymore
with how giga our tier set buffs shiv
Leave ironwire untalented 
feels wrong
if i plan on playing all 3 specs should i just craft a dagger
and also yeah fuck iron wire
dont talent iron wire
ok
all my homies hate iron wire
the only other option is really MA or SBS
and I think they're both bigger dmg losses
i would not suggest dropping sbs for the average pepega
its a crutch for bad play
ok wtf is that damage
unless you want to drop SD 
im pretty low on ilvl and that damage is insane
thats banned
wish i thought of playing rogue earlier
well welcome to family

same as every season
real
then mages get gear and do infinite damage
coz why not
Outlaw season surely
I remember the good ol times when sub also was mast crit
all roads lead to wizards
dev evoker seems balanced

warlock surely
unfortunately
680ilvl did 5mil overall
locks got their shields and ports n stuff
I love how everyone looks at overall in dungeons when yourself isn’t even a factor in it 😂😂
(it's never enough)
i think its te most powerful class atm
I mean
true
and wall was too long of a CD
demo pets are outlaw players
Imagine CT didnt get a nerf 

it's almost like when you weave all of your cleave/aoe/and ST together
should see outlaw chat
Remember my name
i just had one of your hot dogs
I’m going to become top 100 m+ assa
💯
Who let you out of containment frog
1.99 with soda
🐸
My name is Costco
Your name is Sam’s Club
!wa
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
is this an ongoing conflict?
do i make some popcorn?
!macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.
#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane
Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
🐸
20th eco dome run this week surely the trinket will drop this time
this time it will be different
You’ve returned
Hello king
no like literally no never i do not
i've done 18 keys this week and im wearing 5 items that aren't from last season
1 is crafted dagger
1 is cloak
and i had to take a socket from my vault
I still need neck, boots, ring, trinkets, chest piece for ilvl and I've done 48 keys

All we get around these parts are bracers
Wait what the helly
on the fence about sending my craft with how mythic moth was looking, probably will end up sending it but have just been playing it by ear if we need the dps
what are those rank 2 enchants?! 😭
How do you have so much hero gear but no gilded?
just what i had in the bag at the moment
and im not gonna buy a r3 enchant for a champ piece fr fr
just run m+

first time wow ever, does race really matters? :3
not really
nope
its pretty important actually
bad transmog ruins the game
and some races are better than others at transmog
I mean DPS wise...
for PVE mainly ig
im already confused about daggers vs swords, dont make it harder pls
trying to do a very large sim and it keeps getting to 95% or more in stage 3, then going back to 70% over and over. is this normal or should i retry? 😮
ngl if I wasn't blood elf I'd wipe to a lot of M+ pulls this week
from people just not dealing with orbs
Just wondering i saw yesterday its worth to run council of guile, is that more or less for raid? Or is it also considered for mplus
I've simmed it and the same as the last few seasons it hasn't mentioned to swap enchants
it was simming much higher than the agi or mastery enchants for me for fatebound in raid
it was not in fact the run
and by much higher i mean comparatively to the power that enchants usually give
only like 1.5%
Yeah okay sweet cheers dude
I need to learn the actual rotation for poison, I’ve just been camping in bleed which is nearly identical to pvp
deahstalker dropping on ARAZ pylons holy fuck
Yeah i play all 3 for raid well not so much sub atm and sent a 720 dagger just need to get a mh for outlaw from any other source should be fine
But we are going into mythic on monday so up to you if it feels deemed a worthy craft
bros just geared for everything
poison build in m+ is weaker than bleed either way
maenwhile my rat
mines not even 80 yet and timewalking qs are like 10 minutes long
is my rupture uptime bad, im trying to figure rogue out. streets 7,
@grand trail found someone
when you're spreading bleeds, can you just spam your rupture/garrote on 1 target with indiscriminate carnage?
Yes
yes
yeah it's smart and will put the other two on targets that don't already have it
Is fate bound/kingsbane the play cuz I’ve just been playing deathstalker
it is goods log or someting i do wrong
Should I spent the whole duration of subterfuge to spread bleeds in a big pull?
hi guys
Bleed Build that is
how do u guy sim different mana oil / stone ect
Yeah
shiv after CT
its funny how it show realm of guild
so after?
hows sin feeling in m+ at the moment?
Pretty solid
Do you think this spec is nerf worthy considering its quite good on raid and on m+?
i dunno, im remembering in DF season 1 when sin was doing crazy in raids, and had mediocre aoe. so they just did a blanket aura nerf and our aoe got completely destroyed
they often seem to tune based on ST in raids, rather than m+ imo
limit not even using rogue on current boss.. cant be too nerf worthy
That’d just result in a nerf to poison build tho
this is the part wheree they give us another 8% buff and we go to the moon on m+
This is interesting since from heroic it seemed like sin funnel on this guy would be solid but ah well
Not at my pc but I wanna know cuz I use that lol
Oh wait this is the next one
Yeah nah I can see why no rogue
we're dogshit in st in m+
dont think we deserve any changes lol
considering the 20% dmg nerf to spatter
and sin is just gonna fall off in raid overtime
doesnt matter
like im almost always below tank on st when theres no funnel
its kinda cringe
We’ll ‘fall off’ as we over gear everything
ye sure "on me"
dogshit i do more 
u play with bad tanks
noob
its 2025 tanks do way more than most classes on st
dang, didnt think I would spot a wild clown
1k io bozo
🤦♀️
Oh sick 1k io
you are a certified m+ andy, grow up and work on your social skills 
I’ve absolutely been below prot war until execute on a few ST fights in keys
obviously, if you behave like one
assa > sub in st bleed build 💀
Oh it’s gotta be an actual child don’t engage
Did you win the bet
Two nerds calling each other nerds in a wow spec discord is so peak
people trying to call others out in an embarrassing way happens quite frequently
dont even need a nerd on either side


what in the god damn helly are u doing here
its a rogue season

yep hes loading up 
hope life has been treating you well
get a screenshot of the tank gapping zac pls

Double rogue is insanely 
poor outlaws dude
u too sir u too

idk, even on your own logged keys, not a single time was a tank close to you on an exclusicely st fight
wrong my guy
brew can highroll omega high too
hes just soaking and kiting 24/7
he'd totally beat me here
💀
he did beat me
catched up later when he died+execute
The elusive just before execute screensshot with dm coming up
I have DPS that cant even do 2m st 
our st is always omega dogshit
no matter what
most fights in M+ are either tank kiting or adds are involved for funnel
well if dropping below the tank at some point was your way of "beating", yeah ig
thats not beating for me tho
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u aint gonna do 3.6m on every fight
as ur claiming to be
besides im gapping everyone in wowlogs rn and i dont see anyone doing good st at all
i dont want to be that guy but theres legit no one that does acceptable st on sin
think there was some chinese guy doing pretty well, but chinese logs... 
I can hit 3M on a perfect fight with dm on pull and pot dm in execute for a 2m30-3M fight 
I dont say sin has great st btw, just getting beaten by a tank on a pure st fight is kinda a stretch, atleast on the full fight
Can do the same on any other spec with bad conditions
What is blood on
its also not as bad as last season so far imo, but there are quite the gear diffs rn anyways
it does happy often especially at max ilvl
its way worse than last season what

sin had like the highest st in m+ last season
what are u talking about
with the average m+ build
What
not any cleave stuff
cba
Sin st sucked last season and it sucks this season
@midnight mist
sin st sucked last season
they dont know
raiders talking about m+

for the fatebound st opener where does our vanish go? im seeing some logs are before kb and some after kb does that matter?
baited
In dm
Nobody would ever block zeross
He is just a chill guy
Sin st was literal dog last season???
💀
It’s actually competitive with other dps now
cleave build was ahead of everything
in m+
it was omega op
anything u pull on a boss u just gap everything
and on pure st i always topped meters
Is cleave build not good this season?
what is all of this yapping lmao
Well obviously if you pull onto the boss
zeross red name 
even without
im wondering if cleave will scale like last season but up to 10s or so bleed probably gonna maintain king
fuck zeross
“In M+” means like 70 different things and contexts and you all are talking past each other and you know you’re talking past each other
fuck you zac
red zac when
!up
Correct
ty
anyone use plater and know how to edit what bleeds/debuffs show up on an enemies nameplate?
A match made in the sewers
5.9 overall in a 10 floodgate, what we think
hi assa is still best in M+ ?better than sub and outlaw?
bleed as fast as the tank is pulling
I'm stressing during setup haha
Stealth- garrote- garrote- rupture, ambush, rupture spread, then go?
u got a 6 second window
in that window
for example
u have to bleed those u start on top right ok
those are fine to bleed
but those robots i highlighted
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u have to evasion those (most likely tank wont tag them that well)
so just garrote garrote rupture evasion step rupture garrote garrote rupture etc etc
Where does my ambush come in then
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this isnt the correct rotation but just an example
ah
after step
right away
u have to be really fast
6 secs to press ambush baby get to it
u got 6 seconds to ambush ye
make sure to rupture before ambushing
about 1.5 seconds so that ur weapon applies poisons
Starting with dots instead of waiting for tank to pull prio mob does accelerate your ramp significantly
ye
hmm okay okay
I’m just worried about getting the ambush off in time 💀
I just did my first10s today with my group, so I'm new to the mobs that actually live lol
i played with alot of assa's this season, season 2 and season 1
i always gapped every single one of them not because im better
i just had a way faster setup
faster your setup = more dps
very simple
yet very difficult
same with boomie and such
Faster = better
Sp
boomie is easy asf.
do dumb shit first its fine
your gonna fuck up trying to delay ur ambush
but once u get it right
its legit over
ur gonna omega pump dps
work towards the highest dps possible
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even if ur gonna suck rn
Shake your camera and screen during subterfuge window it adds 5% dps
im confident i have the same rotation as these guys
u just need an omega fast setup to do real dps
thats the secret to bleed build
its very easy to play just dont chill out keep on pressing stuff
spreading ur bleeds everywhere ur already doing 8m overall
gg zerocool r1 damage !
im not zerocool..
So you go back through and refresh everything or just CT and a few targets to keep pumping with cs?
you ideally have to keep everything always bleeded up
CT always up too
@haughty flicker @zenith elm @thorn thorn
how many targets u aiming to bleed? like in 3 packs 15+ mobs
you spreading bleed to all?
We vibing
Which am I
literally everything
learned alot just by watching your stream for a few dungeons
Do you wait on CT after subterfuge in those massive pullcounts to keep spreading?
I feel like in the 7-10 range I just have a hard time finding a target to get full value out of DM but I guess I just need to quit being a little bitch and send it huh
@balmy condor i hate to call it new but i found something new, (not really a discovery xdd), this is simming higher for me and potentially could be nicer to play with
That’s… the default talent
idk there are things follow the blood isn't catching
owned noob
no its not
Weird
whispyr
do i have to watch the whole 3 hour video
if i wanna play assa this tier in raid
the linked bleed build did indeed take corrupt instead of momentum
I'm fucking drunk and seeing this







get ur rogue ready

