#assassination

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pliant cairn
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is there a way to guarentee the 7% agaility for the rest of combat thing with fatebound?

hardy wharf
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What do you think what the best talent build is for tazavesh hard mode? since you can do very small pulls and only need to blast bosses im thinking of FB ST build with splatter

balmy condor
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If you have the new 2 piece yes

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Otherwise no

balmy condor
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You can just change talents

hardy wharf
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yoooo your right 😄

thorn thorn
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A real one

stable apex
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!tea

prisma monolithBOT
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With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

radiant yoke
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Double 2pc is good with fatebound 👍 psa

prime quail
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whats the better guide to read up on for assa in m+ ?

thorn thorn
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Wowhead

zealous grail
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hey is there a command for optimal stats on full bleed build?

keen spruce
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!stats

prisma monolithBOT
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
  • Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
zealous grail
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ty!

dreamy rover
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Hey whispyr

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i know you dont particularly like me

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but i got a question for you

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is the iron wire change intended?

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its working during your IC window now

balmy condor
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It has always done that, yes

dreamy rover
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oh damn

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I just hadnt noticed it then

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i've been running iron wire a lot w/ bleed build, helps a ton

stable apex
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!gear

hot jay
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I wish I could run iron wire without a big loss somewhere

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In certain keys

dreamy rover
hot jay
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I miss s1 iron wire

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It kinda is isn't it

dreamy rover
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its more of a loss if you wipe 😮

hot jay
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I have the new 4p

dreamy rover
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or the pack isnt grouped correctly on pull

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same.

hot jay
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For shiv duration

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I only drop the 2nd shiv for delves

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To get iron wire so I can be lazy

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Or stop a lot of casts

stable sinew
nimble tartan
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is there a command that has some repository for enchant sims, food, oils etc

balmy condor
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Yes it’s called top gear

sharp wyvern
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is there a known bug with momentum of despair? seems to be just straight up not working for me

slim hamlet
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
hazy horizon
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shouldnt rupture be way higher ?

normal mist
normal mist
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i love bleed

balmy condor
nimble tartan
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unfortunately i cant put all the weapon runes on top gear but ty

balmy condor
slim hamlet
hazy horizon
hot jay
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Does deathstalker still trend towards the AP whetstones

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Since it's less crit hungry

sharp wyvern
# balmy condor Works fine for me idk

so weird, i can get it procced once upon logging in but once it drops, it will never proc again until i relog. just looked and had a dungeon with literally no uptime on it

ruby birch
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Cold bluh

slim hamlet
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Cold Buh

ruby birch
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Col buh

frosty lake
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@balmy condor just noticed you used jundies as a base, my fav thing about jundies plater was the name of the dragons in ruby santume...thunderc...

balmy condor
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Jundies good

slim hamlet
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is bro in starter gear?

slim hamlet
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even with broken gear, how

thorn thorn
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vdh

brazen oasis
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does someone has the sim string for the different boe ring's with different stats from the raid?

winged sun
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heres my breakdown

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few keys rupture will do more

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not all

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this is about as perfect gameplay kind of breakdown u could get

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% changes based on keys and key level

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this is a +10 so sudden demise is doing more than normal

mystic plover
normal mist
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to be fair it was a +5 LOL

mystic plover
sly yoke
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Sin is blasting last shield on first m boss

mystic plover
hot jay
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In no world is rupture ever close to my caustic damage, personally

barren yarrow
mystic plover
normal mist
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More CT uptime?

thorn thorn
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Press more bleed

normal mist
mystic plover
normal mist
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you had 12% uptime rupture

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overall

grizzled panther
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Im new to sin, what poisons do i use

normal mist
prisma monolithBOT
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You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

  • Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
    Non-Lethals:
  • Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

main bridge
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details breakdowns are not a good way to analyze performance

grizzled panther
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Tyty!

fresh kelp
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Whats with Keys? Ive never listed my own key for so long and not have a single person queue up

normal mist
fresh kelp
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Set to Keystones

sly yoke
unkempt pilot
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BOE rings are locked in ilvl ? or are we allowed to use crests to upgrade them ?

mystic plover
pliant cairn
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is crippling poison a play at the start of gambit?

frigid pilot
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So when’s the nerf hitting boys

frigid pilot
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Blizz never lets us enjoy more than a week of a new season

mystic plover
sly yoke
frigid pilot
normal mist
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OH lol nvm that

main bridge
normal mist
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it isnt counting that shit properly nvm @mystic plover

sly yoke
mystic plover
past holly
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RWF isn’t even bringing rogue. We don’t need a nerf

sly yoke
gleaming geyser
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Yea I did 8.5m in eco-dome 12 last night still sitting on 2pc waiting for next week's vault

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Caustic is a bit absurd

calm steeple
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with bleed m+ build, on single target, do we stay above 150 energy for sanguine blades to work? even if that means less envenom uptime?

nimble tartan
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doing hardmode tomorrow im scared

thorn thorn
balmy condor
red schooner
sly yoke
calm steeple
mystic plover
thorn thorn
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Spread bleed, slam dam on caustic target

sudden brook
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By doing damage

thorn thorn
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Press shiv on cd in aoe

sudden brook
thorn thorn
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Its that shrimple

mystic plover
thorn thorn
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If you got a log we review it tho

balmy condor
mystic plover
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r u for real now????

thorn thorn
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Ya

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If you do damage your overalls are higher

mystic plover
thorn thorn
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Crazy stuff

nimble tartan
humble verge
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confirmed chinese meta?

mystic plover
slim hamlet
mystic plover
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nice fella

vocal cedar
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I am taking the Bleed Build but it kinda blows on single target. Serrated Bone Spikes doesn't seem to be doing much (unless im missing something). I was thinking about dropping it for Kingsbane to help out my single target. Is that an awful idea?

haughty flicker
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yes

humble verge
balmy condor
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Yes

haughty flicker
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sbs value isnt its damage its the combo points and lethal dose stacks

mystic plover
patent snow
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In ST do we want to only shiv around cooldowns? So 2 for DM and 2 for KB?

balmy condor
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Yes

thorn thorn
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Have you been back to the gym

humble verge
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no

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my fatass is doing keys

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might go tmr

celest drift
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im sorry if this is in the guide but if i have darkest hour up and my bleeds are falling off whats the move from there?

ocean quiver
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Worth spending the crests on or save for something else?

haughty flicker
celest drift
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ok ty

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even in aoe and the target doesnt have spatter?

mystic plover
slim hamlet
raw root
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Hey I've seen people asking about Cursed Stone Idol is it worth running over lily if you have both?

haughty flicker
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idk how you'd be in that situation yeah

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you'd have to somehow be at max cp with darkest night up but not have pressed mut/ambush within the last 10 seconds

slim hamlet
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If spatter is almost running out you generate with mutilate anyway instead of fok, so you should never have full cp but no spatter

scenic plank
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
patent snow
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When is the best time to vanish during DM using Bleed build? During the 2nd Shiv?

hazy horizon
balmy condor
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He’s doing more damage

gleaming geyser
limpid crane
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Is it worth keeping 2pc undermine if I only have 658 ilvl pieces

normal mist
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you can sim it

distant plinth
hollow fulcrum
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are all 3 rogue specs pretty good right now cuz i seem sub outlaw and ass all in higher keys

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im trying to figure out what spec to play

main bridge
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try them all and see what's fun for you

west crown
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They are all good, play what’s fun

hollow fulcrum
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sshould i not worry too much about stats

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or just play the game 4head

ocean quiver
main bridge
ornate gate
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what does alternate weapon enchant mean

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depths and radiant in each?

hollow fulcrum
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i need 2 non dagger weapons for outlaw right?

main bridge
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just one

hollow fulcrum
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oh shit

normal kayak
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!sims

prisma monolithBOT
pulsar gulch
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Never seen councils Guile as a weapon enchant - thats very specific to assassin i guess? how does authority of the depths and radiant power line up?

hollow fulcrum
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do we ever use poison knife

main bridge
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not very often no

marsh fjord
pulsar gulch
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yea

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wowhead guide says thats the consumable, and yes i am simming

hollow fulcrum
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ah so a better surv hunter

ocean quiver
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I use it all the time when I rip agro and have to run for 10mins until the tank realises

marsh fjord
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The crit enchants gave me 1,3% extra dps over depths btw

hollow fulcrum
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so should i craft a dagger considering itll be used in all 3 specs

gleaming geyser
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It can pull ahead for fatebound if you are lacking a lot of crit

waxen oyster
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dhs already played it last season

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so its not surprising

marsh fjord
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It even pulled ahead for me on DS

pulsar gulch
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Crit enchant is better but i guarantee in aoe its better for mastery

waxen oyster
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Depends how much mastery you have

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enchants are literally a sim angle

marsh fjord
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The fiber also wanted me to be crit

waxen oyster
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sin 2p is very stronk though

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8m gambit as soon as acquired

brave comet
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they say the chance to get loot is 40% per dungeon, so why did i run 10+ dungeons today with no loot? T.T

plain moon
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@balmy condor In ur vid you talked about changing the colors of the recolor for debuff plater mod. If a small brain wanted to edit it a bit (increase border size of crimson tempest and or add an effect to the border) is complicated to edit or easy enough any1 could figure it out?

waxen oyster
marsh fjord
waxen oyster
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i need to farm for lily

elfin fossil
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thoughts on crafting 2x 720 daggers?

balmy condor
waxen oyster
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offhand doesnt do shit

balmy condor
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Anything passed that is rough

balmy condor
elfin fossil
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Even If I dont get a good offhand?

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Or just go craft bracers instead?

ember turret
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!macro

prisma monolithBOT
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With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

elfin fossil
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e.g. mh craft and bracers

waxen oyster
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720 mh+heroic nexus king oh for me

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until myth wep in vault

elfin fossil
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not raiding

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so yeah

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🙁

woeful lagoon
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Top gear currently suggests that equipping a belt of equal ilvl to delve belt is a 50 k upgrade. Is it an error in sims, or is delve belt simply not better?

waxen oyster
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Yeah vault just get lucky

solid canopy
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@balmy condor How come the Soul Hunters build on Wowhead doesn't have CT?

waxen oyster
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knowing my rng im gonna get double
loomithar weps

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our first kill

balmy condor
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Before you /simc

plain moon
woeful lagoon
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Currently using charged bolts

balmy condor
solid canopy
balmy condor
plain moon
woeful lagoon
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Isn't charged bolts the iteration used in all logs currently?

balmy condor
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No

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I’d be surprised to see anyone using that rubbish

ocean quiver
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So if I upgrade the Araz's Ritual Forge trinket to 6/6 hero, I have left over crests, is it worth instantly crafting my 720 dagger, or should I just use the free enchanted runed crest and craft it at 704 ilvl instead and save the crests for something else?

balmy condor
ocean quiver
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oh is it because fatebound becomes 1min 30s or something

waxen oyster
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fatebound is 1.5

delicate trench
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How do you sim between mana oil and whetstone ?

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do you run 2 sims with each one ofo them ?

balmy condor
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Yeah that works

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Easiest way to do it tbh

delicate trench
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git it

ocean quiver
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Not sure what to do then tbh

balmy condor
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Craft a dagger

ocean quiver
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and with the remaining crests?

balmy condor
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Get stuff to 704

waxen oyster
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save

plush skiff
waxen oyster
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gilded

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proba

balmy condor
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And then wait for myth

delicate trench
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!craft

prisma monolithBOT
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Preferences currently are boot/wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" overall, but Blessed Weapon Grip + Dawnthread can be VERY VERY slightly better in m+

Always craft a dagger for at least an offhand. Put Ascencion or Blessed Weapon Grip on it. Additional Crafts should be Boots/Cape/Wrist/Belt for your second embellishment, after that whatever low item level slot is fine, necks can be good crafts.
If you have a myth track weapon in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

waxen oyster
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Weapon is the best unless you’re that confident in getting a myth wep first m+ vault

golden loom
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Cant wait to raid tomorrow with signet giving crit garf

delicate trench
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yeah I did that but I was thinking of crafting a crit mastery ring over the embelishment

grim jay
waxen oyster
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crafting a ring

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💀

delicate trench
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everyone in the game wants that crit mastery from boss 2...

prisma monolithBOT
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
  • Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
grim jay
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You dont just stack mastery crit

delicate trench
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No I just like having crit

grim jay
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Then farm a Ring with crit

waxen oyster
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or a neck

delicate trench
grim jay
delicate trench
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braindamage from pugs sorry

grim jay
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It doesnt

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Just sim which one is best

waxen oyster
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realistically you dont want to hit any stat drs

delicate trench
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will do it

grim jay
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Even filter for crit if you really want it

waxen oyster
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less stat is just bad

solid canopy
grim jay
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People just pick whatever makes sense to them

waxen oyster
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Wait are you saying people are testing stuff week 1

grim jay
solid canopy
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Im saying clearly one build is working better no? hahah

main bridge
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build is only one aspect of performance

golden loom
solid canopy
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Ofc! But we are talking builds hahah

waxen oyster
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Idk week 1 logs are mostly who either wfhs or takes work off to sweat m+

static glacier
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convos between myself and my former co-rogue who rerolled this tier

thorn thorn
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Lets not be like ret paladins and make assumptions after not even a full week of data

tropic quarry
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am i rolling with the wrong stats for assa?

ornate gate
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how are your guilds doing araz it feels weird with deathstalker

grim jay
waxen oyster
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araz heroic felt fine

prisma monolithBOT
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
  • Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
ornate gate
static glacier
solid canopy
static glacier
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why choose, send the 7th devoker casting engulf on add spawns

balmy condor
grim jay
ocean quiver
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Does claiming the renown rewards from the factions that give crests and stuff count towards the cap or not

grim jay
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Tho ct is definitely a pick there

distant plinth
ocean quiver
static glacier
ocean quiver
humble verge
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finally dropped neck

solid canopy
cerulean nest
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thoughts on this?

grim jay
waxen oyster
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I pulled the boss 1 time on heroic and it died

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buff rogue ty

humble verge
waxen oyster
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ye

humble verge
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figured

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wait

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you guys dont have locks?

ocean quiver
waxen oyster
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2

static glacier
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@balmy condor wouldnt the soulhunters build drop 1 vv for ic?

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since we spam fok anyway

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other than that idk if its momentum or follow the blood

waxen oyster
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idk what else to say

balmy condor
static glacier
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on 3 we don't?

balmy condor
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No?

static glacier
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!fok

prisma monolithBOT
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Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

  • Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
    Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
  • Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
    Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
  • Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

static glacier
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hm

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ye fair

solid canopy
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They most of the time not stacked up tho

waxen oyster
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Spatter harder

static glacier
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forgot aboiut vv

waxen oyster
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I love how shitty kb is as ds

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almost losing to singular

dusty phoenix
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what build do u guys use in higher streets keys

golden loom
static glacier
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tierset locks it

dusty phoenix
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thought so ty

waxen oyster
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i didnt have my 2p

golden loom
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KB in the bin

waxen oyster
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for soulbinder

golden loom
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Oh 124m of that envenom damage is poison bomb

grim jay
waxen oyster
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comeback as in

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a streamer plays it

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and all the sheep follow

grim jay
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As in being better than bleed

waxen oyster
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People say bleed st sucks

grim jay
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Id bet on sub being brought over cleave build. kekdog

waxen oyster
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but still ending bosses over 3m

static glacier
waxen oyster
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so idk

static glacier
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im simming some builds for soulhunters atm

golden loom
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Feel like most bosses theres stuff to pull onto

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And you just nuke it as bleed

waxen oyster
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Ye

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Arakara you can easily do over 3.5 on all 3 bosses

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due to adds

golden loom
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Big momma you do 300 gazillion garf

waxen oyster
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lmao i love looking at big momma breakdown

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”have you targeted an add once”

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”nope”

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singular focus almost catching up to envenoms on big targets

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is so funny

silver verge
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whats up dudes, getting weird sim results. What i thought you be an upgrade turns into a downgrade. Are we still usiing dslice for m+?

golden loom
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Yes

uneven plume
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@balmy condor how much was the hotfix to our overall

errant jacinth
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Does anyone know if it's possible to make it so that plater would move the nameplate w/ Deathstalkers Mark to the top so it's always clickable in a big pack? Even with the stacked nameplates thing it seems to get lost behind a bunch of other bars

grim jay
silver verge
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I was just cuurious but if someone will take a look and tell me im a donkey im game lol

quiet oriole
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Bleed pure ST is not good. If you are able to have adds it's not bad

silver verge
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just got some bracers i thought would of been and upgrade and it was a downgrade, why I aksed

golden loom
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Seems normal to me

silver verge
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ya i didnt think they were that strong

golden loom
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But its also within margin of error

silver verge
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for sure, thanks!

static glacier
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all ima say is

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something is real cooked

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I simmed 3t and best build didnt have ap

waxen oyster
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Realistically soulhunters is probably a sub boss

static glacier
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I thought sub kinda struggled at low target cleave

waxen oyster
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Huh

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they have bladeflurry

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reskinned

static glacier
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wouldn't they spam bp

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on 3t with expose

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?

waxen oyster
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Idk with current bp tuning

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you’d still send your secret techniques with nimble

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and coup

static glacier
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can't hurt to sim sub too I guess

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might be unironically outlaw

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precise cuts is kinda cracked

waxen oyster
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Really depends how mythic changes it

rotund oak
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dont be lazy brother

thorn thorn
rotund oak
split veldt
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there's like 30 of them there, dunno which one you were talkin about

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lol

rotund oak
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everything does the same

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pick one with many installs

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check it out

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if it doesnt work

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pick something else

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all are created to outline

delicate isle
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does anyone know what kind of timer this is?

tawdry flare
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Mythic Plus Timer

brittle shuttle
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warp delete addon

rotund oak
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looks more like a script thn addon

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lul

tawdry flare
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Could be one of those UI packages that use Warp Delete

rotund oak
tawdry flare
rotund oak
keen spruce
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it's an addon

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i don't remember the name

rotund marsh
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are the 2 hero talents close in power?

keen spruce
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maybe a WA for an addon

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idk

brittle shuttle
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its warp delete addon lol

golden loom
rotund oak
rotund marsh
#

aoe

keen spruce
#

I don't remmeber ever usin warp delete but maybe i'm just forgetting

golden loom
#

Well in constant aoe only deathstalker is good

rotund oak
rotund marsh
#

like where would i want to use fatebound over DS and vise versa

analog egret
#

It's called Warp Deplete

main bridge
#

FB is for ST

golden loom
#

Fatebound is played on like 5/8 raid bosses tho

rotund marsh
#

no crimson tempest? wtf

keen spruce
rotund marsh
#

is that bleed build dead?

golden loom
#

No?

keen spruce
#

bleed build is a DS build

#

it's the one you use for m+

rotund oak
#

wait to ambush that pizza guy

#

lol

keen spruce
golden loom
#

Its like one of the best m+ specs in the game atm

rotund marsh
#

oh im blind i was looking at raid lmao

#

my bad

pure moth
balmy condor
waxen oyster
#

what bug

keen spruce
frosty lake
#

any got some insight on a sweet Mythic + weakaura to help track things in the dungeons?

waxen oyster
#

Also fatebound can die in a fire

rotund marsh
#

is iron wire workable? or is there nothing worth dropping for it

waxen oyster
#

love some 16 tails flips

keen spruce
#

probably drop double shiv or MA

#

if you want it

golden loom
#

But just dont

rotund oak
#

he flipped like 15 times

waxen oyster
#

yeah i saw that

rotund oak
#

tails

#

lmao

haughty flicker
#

i wonder if double shiv would even be the best drop anymore

#

with how giga our tier set buffs shiv

golden loom
#

Leave ironwire untalented garf

haughty flicker
#

feels wrong

hollow fulcrum
#

if i plan on playing all 3 specs should i just craft a dagger

haughty flicker
#

and also yeah fuck iron wire

waxen oyster
#

dont talent iron wire

rotund marsh
#

ok

haughty flicker
#

all my homies hate iron wire

keen spruce
#

the only other option is really MA or SBS

#

and I think they're both bigger dmg losses

waxen oyster
#

i would not suggest dropping sbs for the average pepega

keen spruce
#

I love me some wire

#

well yeah don't drop sbs

waxen oyster
#

its a crutch for bad play

keen spruce
#

I jsut mean it's literally the only o ther option lol

#

as far as one point swaps go

rotund marsh
#

ok wtf is that damage

keen spruce
#

unless you want to drop SD kekdog

rotund marsh
#

im pretty low on ilvl and that damage is insane

waxen oyster
rotund marsh
#

wish i thought of playing rogue earlier

rotund oak
#

well welcome to family

waxen oyster
#

8m my first gambit with 2p

#

and mostly s2 gear

#

was funny

keen spruce
#

Enjoy it till next blue post garf

#

then 3-5% nerf incoming

waxen oyster
keen spruce
#

same as every season

waxen oyster
#

real

rotund oak
#

based

#

then we recraft to vers mast

#

play sub

#

or idk

#

ask koffing about feral

keen spruce
#

then mages get gear and do infinite damage

rotund oak
#

coz why not

lusty kraken
#

Outlaw season surely

keen spruce
#

and never get adjusted

waxen oyster
#

almost every jewelry item i get

#

is vers mast

keen spruce
#

or they revert chicken nerfs and they do infinite damage and never get adjusted

static glacier
#

I remember the good ol times when sub also was mast crit

keen spruce
#

all roads lead to wizards

waxen oyster
#

dev evoker seems balanced

rotund oak
rotund oak
keen spruce
#

unfortunately

rotund oak
#

680ilvl did 5mil overall

keen spruce
#

warlocks don't have real defensives

#

so eventually they're unplayable

rotund oak
#

locks got their shields and ports n stuff

marsh fjord
#

I love how everyone looks at overall in dungeons when yourself isn’t even a factor in it 😂😂

keen spruce
#

(it's never enough)

rotund oak
#

i think its te most powerful class atm

keen spruce
#

S1 warlock did giga damage

#

but dark pact was kinda beans

waxen oyster
#

I mean

rotund oak
#

true

keen spruce
#

and wall was too long of a CD

waxen oyster
#

i can see both dev and assa

#

getting aoe nerfed

keen spruce
#

and demo couldn't play dawnbreaker

#

cuz all of their pets fell off the boats

waxen oyster
#

demo pets are outlaw players

golden loom
#

Imagine CT didnt get a nerf garf

waxen oyster
#

same tuning pass they nerfed ct

#

buffed env

#

which is a spatter buff

rotund oak
keen spruce
#

it's almost like when you weave all of your cleave/aoe/and ST together

rotund oak
#

should see outlaw chat

keen spruce
#

it's hard to tune

oak trench
#

Remember my name

waxen oyster
#

pretty sure it became a net neutral in aoe

#

and buff in raid builds

keen spruce
oak trench
#

I’m going to become top 100 m+ assa

keen spruce
#

💯

balmy condor
oak trench
keen spruce
#

still 1.50 here

oak trench
#

🐸

oak trench
balmy condor
#

I know what you are

oak trench
#

Your name is Sam’s Club

cloud nacelle
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
rotund oak
#

do i make some popcorn?

static glacier
#

whisp just called him cheap

quartz relic
#

!macro

prisma monolithBOT
#

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

keen spruce
#

🐸

winged quail
#

20th eco dome run this week surely the trinket will drop this time

#

this time it will be different

bronze pike
#

Hello king

coral ibex
#

yall ever just

#

get the drop

golden loom
#

No

#

Nothing ever drops

buoyant herald
#

no like literally no never i do not

#

i've done 18 keys this week and im wearing 5 items that aren't from last season

#

1 is crafted dagger

#

1 is cloak

#

and i had to take a socket from my vault

golden loom
#

I still need neck, boots, ring, trinkets, chest piece for ilvl and I've done 48 keys

#

All we get around these parts are bracers

coral ibex
#

im kinda big rn i feel

#

have 2 cata charges banked and a full vault inc

golden loom
#

And you havent sent craft

#

Jesus

coral ibex
#

well i crafted a hero dagger

#

so i will be behind a bit there

#

but no gilded crafts

golden loom
#

Wait what the helly

coral ibex
#

we usually have awful weapon drop luck

#

and then we got one on the first kill

cursive hatch
#

on the fence about sending my craft with how mythic moth was looking, probably will end up sending it but have just been playing it by ear if we need the dps

cursive hatch
buoyant herald
coral ibex
#

and im not gonna buy a r3 enchant for a champ piece fr fr

coral ibex
haughty flicker
keen dome
#

first time wow ever, does race really matters? :3

coral ibex
#

not really

humble ginkgo
#

nope

haughty flicker
#

its pretty important actually

#

bad transmog ruins the game

#

and some races are better than others at transmog

keen dome
#

I mean DPS wise...

#

for PVE mainly ig

#

im already confused about daggers vs swords, dont make it harder pls

haughty flicker
#

it matters very little dw

#

as for swords vs daggers assa just uses daggers

keen dome
#

ok thanks a lot

#

appreciate it

dense cove
#

trying to do a very large sim and it keeps getting to 95% or more in stage 3, then going back to 70% over and over. is this normal or should i retry? 😮

cursive hatch
#

ngl if I wasn't blood elf I'd wipe to a lot of M+ pulls this week

#

from people just not dealing with orbs

onyx saffron
#

Just wondering i saw yesterday its worth to run council of guile, is that more or less for raid? Or is it also considered for mplus
I've simmed it and the same as the last few seasons it hasn't mentioned to swap enchants

buoyant herald
#

it was simming much higher than the agi or mastery enchants for me for fatebound in raid

winged quail
buoyant herald
#

and by much higher i mean comparatively to the power that enchants usually give

#

only like 1.5%

onyx saffron
#

Yeah okay sweet cheers dude

hollow fulcrum
#

should i craft a dagger if im playing all 3 specs

#

or should i just wait to craft

silent breach
#

I need to learn the actual rotation for poison, I’ve just been camping in bleed which is nearly identical to pvp

split flame
#

deahstalker dropping on ARAZ pylons holy fuck

onyx saffron
#

But we are going into mythic on monday so up to you if it feels deemed a worthy craft

static glacier
normal mist
hollow fulcrum
#

mines not even 80 yet and timewalking qs are like 10 minutes long

frosty lake
#

is my rupture uptime bad, im trying to figure rogue out. streets 7,

normal mist
#

@grand trail found someone

sullen hedge
#

when you're spreading bleeds, can you just spam your rupture/garrote on 1 target with indiscriminate carnage?

silent breach
#

Yes

normal mist
#

yes

buoyant herald
#

yeah it's smart and will put the other two on targets that don't already have it

silent breach
#

Is fate bound/kingsbane the play cuz I’ve just been playing deathstalker

sudden brook
#

Fatebound for most of the raid

#

Deathstalker for keys, and the aoe bosses

silent breach
#

I meant in m+

#

ah ok

patent glade
#

it is goods log or someting i do wrong

dry night
#

Should I spent the whole duration of subterfuge to spread bleeds in a big pull?

wide gorge
#

hi guys

dry night
#

Bleed Build that is

wide gorge
#

how do u guy sim different mana oil / stone ect

silent breach
#

Shiv before or after subterfuge

#

?

oblique slate
#

shiv after CT

grand trail
oblique slate
#

so after?

dim yacht
#

hows sin feeling in m+ at the moment?

silent breach
#

Pretty solid

dry night
#

Aoe is Amazing but Single target Lacks a Bit

#

If you can get funnel it’s decent

oblique slate
#

Do you think this spec is nerf worthy considering its quite good on raid and on m+?

dry night
#

It will get nerfed 100%

#

Let’s Hope it’s not too Big

silent breach
#

Rather they raise the floor

#

But they will

winged sun
#

its not op in raid

#

it wont get nerfed

#

wdym

dim yacht
#

i dunno, im remembering in DF season 1 when sin was doing crazy in raids, and had mediocre aoe. so they just did a blanket aura nerf and our aoe got completely destroyed

#

they often seem to tune based on ST in raids, rather than m+ imo

crystal star
#

limit not even using rogue on current boss.. cant be too nerf worthy

silent breach
#

That’d just result in a nerf to poison build tho

dim yacht
#

this is the part wheree they give us another 8% buff and we go to the moon on m+

buoyant herald
silent breach
#

Not at my pc but I wanna know cuz I use that lol

buoyant herald
#

Oh wait this is the next one

winged sun
#

ok i relogged and it started to work

#

nvm

buoyant herald
#

Yeah nah I can see why no rogue

winged sun
#

dont think we deserve any changes lol

#

considering the 20% dmg nerf to spatter

#

and sin is just gonna fall off in raid overtime

#

doesnt matter

#

like im almost always below tank on st when theres no funnel

#

its kinda cringe

silent breach
#

We’ll ‘fall off’ as we over gear everything

winged sun
#

ye sure "on me"

grim jay
#

yep it is

#

because others arent

winged sun
#

i wanna see u send a 4m st

#

on a boss fight

#

big man

grim jay
#

3.5

#

but no tank is doing 4

winged sun
#

dogshit i do more kekcry

#

u play with bad tanks

#

noob

#

its 2025 tanks do way more than most classes on st

grim jay
#

dang, didnt think I would spot a wild clown

winged sun
#

ICANT 1k io bozo

pure moth
#

🤦‍♀️

silent breach
#

Oh sick 1k io

grim jay
#

you are a certified m+ andy, grow up and work on your social skills garf

buoyant herald
#

I’ve absolutely been below prot war until execute on a few ST fights in keys

winged sun
#

ye work on my social skills thats exactly whats up

#

calling people clowns 💀

#

L

grim jay
#

obviously, if you behave like one

winged sun
#

assa > sub in st bleed build 💀

silent breach
#

Oh it’s gotta be an actual child don’t engage

thorn thorn
winged sun
#

kyveza

#

ye

#

long ago

buoyant herald
#

Two nerds calling each other nerds in a wow spec discord is so peak

winged sun
#

the guy doesn't want to trade 3m gold

#

under 40 pulls

grim jay
#

dont even need a nerd on either side

winged sun
#

incase ur living under a rock

#

no offense ofc

thorn thorn
#

Cant beat a prot warrior in ST

#

Zeross washed asf

#

Unlucky

sand sigil
winged sun
#

what in the god damn helly are u doing here

sand sigil
#

its a rogue season

winged sun
#

EZ get ur rogue ready

#

its gapping everything

marble hemlock
sand sigil
#

yep hes loading up WICKED

marble hemlock
#

hope life has been treating you well

static glacier
winged sun
thorn thorn
winged sun
#

poor outlaws dude

sand sigil
marble hemlock
thorn thorn
#

I was expecting that emoji to be glorpless

#

But I am very mad to find out otherwise

grim jay
# winged sun

idk, even on your own logged keys, not a single time was a tank close to you on an exclusicely st fight

grim jay
#

neither on any of the other sin rogues logs

#

nor on any of my keys

thorn thorn
#

Massive L

winged sun
#

wrong my guy

#

brew can highroll omega high too

#

hes just soaking and kiting 24/7

#

he'd totally beat me here

#

💀

#

he did beat me

#

catched up later when he died+execute

fresh kelp
#

The elusive just before execute screensshot with dm coming up

winged sun
#

they do win on st

#

idk what ur talking about

thorn thorn
#

I have DPS that cant even do 2m st dracthyr_hehe

winged sun
#

our st is always omega dogshit

#

no matter what

#

most fights in M+ are either tank kiting or adds are involved for funnel

grim jay
#

well if dropping below the tank at some point was your way of "beating", yeah ig

#

thats not beating for me tho

rose inlet
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
grim jay
#

thats your screenshot fight

#

btw

winged sun
#

u aint gonna do 3.6m on every fight

#

as ur claiming to be

#

besides im gapping everyone in wowlogs rn and i dont see anyone doing good st at all

#

i dont want to be that guy but theres legit no one that does acceptable st on sin

grim jay
#

think there was some chinese guy doing pretty well, but chinese logs... kekdog

winged sun
#

xd

#

'hes pressing magical buttons sure dude

fresh kelp
#

I can hit 3M on a perfect fight with dm on pull and pot dm in execute for a 2m30-3M fight garf

grim jay
#

I dont say sin has great st btw, just getting beaten by a tank on a pure st fight is kinda a stretch, atleast on the full fight

fresh kelp
#

Can do the same on any other spec with bad conditions

grim jay
#

its also not as bad as last season so far imo, but there are quite the gear diffs rn anyways

winged sun
#

its way worse than last season what

#

sin had like the highest st in m+ last season

#

what are u talking about

grim jay
#

with the average m+ build

peak bobcat
#

What

grim jay
#

not any cleave stuff

winged sun
#

cba

peak bobcat
#

Sin st sucked last season and it sucks this season

winged sun
#

they dont know

#

raiders talking about m+

drifting cloud
#

crazy he had you blocked and now you do keys together

#

I guess IO always wins

tardy echo
#

for the fatebound st opener where does our vanish go? im seeing some logs are before kb and some after kb does that matter?

thorn thorn
#

He is just a chill guy

tough basalt
#

Sin st was literal dog last season???

winged sun
#

💀

tough basalt
#

It’s actually competitive with other dps now

winged sun
#

cleave build was ahead of everything

#

in m+

#

it was omega op

#

anything u pull on a boss u just gap everything

#

and on pure st i always topped meters

acoustic roost
#

Is cleave build not good this season?

keen spruce
#

what is all of this yapping lmao

winged sun
#

its good in dawnbreaker

#

play it there

tough basalt
#

Well obviously if you pull onto the boss

keen spruce
#

zeross red name poggers

winged sun
tardy echo
#

im wondering if cleave will scale like last season but up to 10s or so bleed probably gonna maintain king

midnight mist
#

fuck zeross

slate crown
#

“In M+” means like 70 different things and contexts and you all are talking past each other and you know you’re talking past each other

winged sun
#

fuck you zac

keen spruce
#

red zac when

winged sun
#

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

#

im gonna use that

crisp venture
#

is myth track in vault +7s

#

or is it 10

acoustic roost
#

!up

crisp venture
#

ok so thats 704 hc track

#

not myth

acoustic roost
#

Correct

crisp venture
#

ty

elder gulch
#

anyone use plater and know how to edit what bleeds/debuffs show up on an enemies nameplate?

thorn thorn
cursive finch
#

5.9 overall in a 10 floodgate, what we think

winged sun
#

breakdown looks fine

#

ur slo win ur setup

#

slow in ur setup*

#

be faster

clear cave
#

hi assa is still best in M+ ?better than sub and outlaw?

winged sun
#

bleed as fast as the tank is pulling

cursive finch
#

I'm stressing during setup haha

winged sun
#

dont

#

let me show u

cursive finch
#

Stealth- garrote- garrote- rupture, ambush, rupture spread, then go?

winged sun
#

u got a 6 second window

#

in that window

#

for example

#

u have to bleed those u start on top right ok

#

those are fine to bleed

#

but those robots i highlighted

unreal parcel
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
winged sun
#

u have to evasion those (most likely tank wont tag them that well)

#

so just garrote garrote rupture evasion step rupture garrote garrote rupture etc etc

cursive finch
#

Where does my ambush come in then

grand trail
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
winged sun
#

this isnt the correct rotation but just an example

winged sun
#

after step

#

right away

#

u have to be really fast

stable sinew
#

6 secs to press ambush baby get to it

winged sun
#

u got 6 seconds to ambush ye

#

make sure to rupture before ambushing

#

about 1.5 seconds so that ur weapon applies poisons

fresh kelp
#

Starting with dots instead of waiting for tank to pull prio mob does accelerate your ramp significantly

winged sun
#

and u proc spatter

#

it'll also increase ur overall dps

#

not just ramp

fresh kelp
#

ye

cursive finch
#

hmm okay okay

fresh kelp
#

I’m just worried about getting the ambush off in time 💀

cursive finch
#

I just did my first10s today with my group, so I'm new to the mobs that actually live lol

winged sun
#

i played with alot of assa's this season, season 2 and season 1

#

i always gapped every single one of them not because im better

#

i just had a way faster setup

#

faster your setup = more dps

#

very simple

#

yet very difficult

cursive finch
#

Yeah I'm tweaking trynna setuop

#

shit hard

fresh kelp
#

same with boomie and such

tough basalt
#

Faster = better

fresh kelp
#

Sp

cursive finch
#

boomie is easy asf.

winged sun
#

your gonna fuck up trying to delay ur ambush

#

but once u get it right

#

its legit over

#

ur gonna omega pump dps

#

work towards the highest dps possible

sweet snow
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
winged sun
#

even if ur gonna suck rn

balmy condor
#

One more filter hit for the fans

#

3-peat

stable sinew
#

Shake your camera and screen during subterfuge window it adds 5% dps

winged sun
#

im confident i have the same rotation as these guys

#

u just need an omega fast setup to do real dps

#

thats the secret to bleed build

#

its very easy to play just dont chill out keep on pressing stuff

#

spreading ur bleeds everywhere ur already doing 8m overall

midnight mist
#

gg zerocool r1 damage !

winged sun
#

im not zerocool..

tough basalt
#

So you go back through and refresh everything or just CT and a few targets to keep pumping with cs?

haughty flicker
#

zerocool is so cool

#

what a gamer

#

r1 damage pog

winged sun
#

CT always up too

humble verge
#

@haughty flicker @zenith elm @thorn thorn

silver musk
#

you spreading bleed to all?

thorn thorn
#

Which am I

winged sun
latent swallow
ripe saddle
#

Do you wait on CT after subterfuge in those massive pullcounts to keep spreading?

tough basalt
#

I feel like in the 7-10 range I just have a hard time finding a target to get full value out of DM but I guess I just need to quit being a little bitch and send it huh

winged sun
#

@balmy condor i hate to call it new but i found something new, (not really a discovery xdd), this is simming higher for me and potentially could be nicer to play with

balmy condor
#

That’s… the default talent

winged sun
#

idk there are things follow the blood isn't catching

midnight mist
#

owned noob

mint valve
#

with fateboud were can macro vanish into DM right?

#

fatebound 4pc?

midnight mist
#

actually

winged sun
balmy condor
#

Weird

winged sun
#

thats the one u advertised to be better

#

in season 2

midnight mist
#

whispyr

#

do i have to watch the whole 3 hour video

#

if i wanna play assa this tier in raid

fresh kelp
#

the linked bleed build did indeed take corrupt instead of momentum

zenith elm