assassination

[grim jay]

im saved

[rotund oak]

u are bis

[grim jay]

no u

[rotund oak]

[sudden brook]

Can you link the sim

https://x.com/ForeverGuy5/status/1832574571029131671?s=19

ForeverGuy (@ForeverGuy5)

There is a Rogue-exclusive quest in The Ringing Deeps Inn at *48.1 32.0* where you collect candles for a Kobold hiding in a vent.

After completing this questline, any time you pickpocket a Kobold you have a chance to get a Rogue-exclusive weapon enhancement called Bubbling Wax

X · Sep 8, 2024, 12:19 AM

[rotund oak]

delves

ive sold like 50 2 hours ago

[sudden brook]

its bop how r u selling it

[rotund oak]

mount sold

idk wdym

[clever sparrow]

is it optimal in HoA to change from bleed to cleeve right before first boss?

[grim jay]

no you just play bleed

[clever sparrow]

i cant deal single and packs are not heavy

[old lily]

so, what part of our kit is the funnel damage other than singular focus?

[sudden brook]

theres no pin for the sim man

[clever sparrow]

its way tooo much dps loss

[sudden brook]

Imma lose it

[clever sparrow]

in high keys

[marble hemlock]

nice self promo

[clever sparrow]

idk

[grim jay]

its not

[sudden brook]

#Ad

[fresh kelp]

I know

Ragebait successful

[grim jay]

if your damage as bleed sin sucks, either you or your tank are doing smth wrong

maybe even both

[rotund oak]

its never our fault so the tank sux

🤝

[sudden brook]

w rage bait

Now who has the sim

[grim jay]

#tc-research message

just do it brotherman

would be done with it for quite some minutes now

[sudden brook]

beast mode

[grim jay]

ikr

we savages out here

[clever sparrow]

time to make whispyr mad about this question then

but i still can say

even FB raid build can deal so much more

than bleed one

[uncut void]

should I only use 1.5 min trinket with deathmark or deathmark then send whenever up in keys?

[normal mist]

?

[uncut void]

1.5 min*

[normal mist]

what are you yapping about

[clever sparrow]

crying about HOA (after first boss)

there is nothing to cleave there

and im mad

[normal mist]

thats

such

a

[clever sparrow]

cause a fking SP was telling me my dps is low

[normal mist]

stupid

statement

"guys my ST raid build deals more ST dmg than my AoE m+ build"

[clever sparrow]

im saying i can just swap after first boss

not saying that tho

lol

read the whole point before trolling

[normal mist]

are we doing ´20s already

[fresh kelp]

You could swap after 2nd boss maybe

[clever sparrow]

with bleed in HOA?

[fresh kelp]

Isn’t there still a lot of trash after first tho?

[clever sparrow]

how you keep up after first boss?

[fresh kelp]

Nice beefy gargoyle men

[rotund oak]

yeah wahts wrong with bleed build in halls

u even have some stuffs to cleave down or funnel after golem

the shard whatever

so unless u have two blasters deleting those packs into 2nd boss idk what u talking about

[fresh kelp]

2nd boss also still has reasonable funnel with the adds unless you’re perfect clearing every time

The soul guy too

[rotund oak]

idk what he's saying rly

im confused

halls needs ST but u can funnel from it as well

outside last boss that is

dunno if u can do the tech to pull after the door is closed

[sullen topaz]

if i missed it in guide im sorry. In m+, is there a point i can give up easy for ironwire to make it easier for my grp?

[clever sparrow]

but funnel who i still cant understand it

like for example

the 3rd boss

[grim jay]

then you probably got some improvement to do

[clever sparrow]

or 4th

2nd boss summon mob so its understandable

[grim jay]

also you would need to switch 2 times which just isnt worth

[clever sparrow]

first boss is pure ST
3rd too also last

[grim jay]

since assa bleed build is a cheatcode on the miniboss

before the last boss

[clever sparrow]

yeah its just too good for the miniboss also

[fresh kelp]

Yeah you’re trading better st on 3rd/last for worse on everything else before then

[grim jay]

that aside, if your ST is LOW

[spiral cypress]

Hi, quick question for pvp, what would u put on mouseb4 and mouseb5 ?

[grim jay]

then you are doing smth wrong

because it certainly isnt that low

[clever sparrow]

tbh bleed isnt good on single

[hollow river]

#pvp

[clever sparrow]

and i dont know where im missing dmg

[grim jay]

yeah but its also not low

[clever sparrow]

i even have logs

[spiral cypress]

ok ty

[clever sparrow]

maybe its rotation problem

i dont know where im lacking

[rotund oak]

outside last boss u can pull shit to all otehr bosses and cleave down

[clever sparrow]

with tank pugs its just wipe tbh

i never saw ANY TANK pulling anything to boss

[fresh kelp]

You can also freely hold dm for execute on last bosses if you won’t miss a cast

Helps a lot

[rotund oak]

yes are we talking about 5-10s now in pugs keys are irrelevant

[grim jay]

my pug tanks do it, idk

[clever sparrow]

doing 11-12s

[rotund oak]

something u ar edoing wrong and doing 11-12s doesnt say much either

[clever sparrow]

this hoa was 10 btw

[rotund oak]

still doesnt say much

[clever sparrow]

im just saying tanks wont pull any mob to boss

[rotund oak]

the usual plan is to pull stuff into bosses and blast

[rotund oak]

yes they are afraid

that doesnt mean u have to go FB

u understand that doesnt make sense?

[clever sparrow]

ok not fatebound but still cleave is an option

isnt it?

or its bad too?

[rotund oak]

sure,still not as good as bleed

but its a u thing

cant say dotn play it

[normal mist]

With bleed you lose some ST BUT the AoE totally makes up for it

[grim jay]

nah, would just swap builds if I dont do well

[young spoke]

alguien que hable español puede ayudarme porfas?

[rotund oak]

and that

[clever sparrow]

let me just recheck THE WHOLE SINGLE TARGET ROTATION

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[normal mist]

Use translator

[clever sparrow]

maybe im missing something

cause 3mil is SHIT!

[young spoke]

is if i can in a call with someone and explain why have low dps

[normal mist]

Well we can't explain you the whole guide in a call

[grim jay]

3m without saving cds for bosses on pure ST isnt shit

[sudden brook]

how do I get the best combo in a top gear sim again for weapons

Like bubbling wax

[normal mist]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/overview-pve-dps

[clever sparrow]

im saying with DM + 2x shiv + wrath stone

so now its shit

im ruining my rotation somewhere

[rotund oak]

obviously

[young spoke]

i see a lot of guides but dont work for me .-. dont have a good rotation i think

[grim jay]

cant wait to play sub in m+ tho, seems pretty strong and good for our comb

rings are missing

[rotund oak]

im veyr hyped for sub as well,just need time to do some keys

[grim jay]

I did like

[normal mist]

you're doing it wrong

[grim jay]

65 keys since wednesday

[rotund oak]

lol

[proud monolith]

do we know when approx we swap belt?

[normal mist]

high hero / myth track

[young spoke]

i know for this i want someone explain to me xD

[normal mist]

that image doesnt say much

[young spoke]

can open a dm chat?

[normal mist]

you can talk here, most likely will have other people trying to help

[clever sparrow]

WHY IN SINGLE TARGET GUIDE IT SAYS USE CT?

[normal mist]

bleed

good

[clever sparrow]

should i use CT even in Single target fights?

[normal mist]

yes

[dense cedar]

Yepp

[clever sparrow]

lol

[young spoke]

for not spam other people but okay

[rotund oak]

because bleed build likes bleeds?

[grim jay]

CT on ST in prio goes directly infront of using non dn envenom

[vocal seal]

guys what does a "perfect" damage breakdown look like ?

[clever sparrow]

but it loss 40% dmg

[rotund oak]

thats delusional

[dense cedar]

100% damage from the rogue

[clever sparrow]

hmmmm

[spare fractal]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[main bridge]

details breakdowns aren't a good way to analyze performance

log your keys/raid

[grim jay]

hu?

[rotund oak]

just read the guide and train on the dummy friend

[vocal seal]

I'm trying to focus more on caustic splatter atm but i cant see it do as much damage as the bleeds ?

[rotund oak]

we all do mistakes

being argumentative for the sake of it means nothing

[vocal seal]

note i have 0 set

[clever sparrow]

i watched a video about the stacking buff (20% damage per mob) and he was saying it wont give you buff if there int atleast 2 target so its not worth using it in single target.

[dense cedar]

bleed build doesn't have kb and isn't as envenom spammy

[grim jay]

sounds alright if you are playing a BLEED build

[normal mist]

what video

[grim jay]

yeah thats just dented

[normal mist]

and was the guy using BLEED BUILD

[grim jay]

recasting it the more targets there are certainly is what you should do

[normal mist]

or how old is the video

[grim jay]

still better than envenom on ST tho

[hollow river]

[young spoke]

I use the translator, I've tried using macros, the GSE plugin, and nothing works for me for rotation. Also, looking at other rogues, they have the “Poison” skill as the first skill with the most damage, but I do almost no damage with poisoning. i am kurorogue, I don't know what I'm doing wrong that my best damage is the cloak.

[clever sparrow]

instagram moment...

[vocal seal]

this is from echo dome 15 from Zeross

[rotund oak]

[hollow river]

you aren't casting Envenom enough

that much is obvious

[west crown]

This is 5.1 overall in a 4 Flood. Spatter will be higher in higher keys. Also I have last season tier

[grim jay]

hint: will barely be higher

[vocal seal]

nice !

[young spoke]

i cast 2 times in the rotation, how many i need?

[normal mist]

oh

no

[dense cedar]

HMMMM

[hollow river]

[normal mist]

my spanish

[indigo ginkgo]

vruummmm

[normal mist]

friend

you're doomed

[limpid tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-with-hands-in-the-head-gif-27591093

[devout mist]

Damn

[hollow river]

don't use these things

[dense cedar]

you should not be macro'ing your rotation

[young spoke]

why not??? .-.

[hollow river]

learn the rotation properly

[main bridge]

the easiest of the rogue specs and they are still trying to macro it

[west crown]

Likely like 12-14% but yeah

[round vapor]

Lol

[normal mist]

use this instead

[grave warren]

!wA

[prisma monolith]

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[grim jay]

yeah no

[devout mist]

Use 1 button

[west crown]

I know it got nerfed but that's what it was last season

[devout mist]

U might have better success

[grim jay]

yeah but bleeds are stronger now

and this is s3

[round vapor]

You WILL have better success lol.

[west crown]

I'd bet money it's still cleave

[grim jay]

be prepared to lose

[west crown]

"sim sim sim" still cleave

[tranquil lynx]

!waa

[young spoke]

emmm thats crazy

thankss, this is good dps?

[normal mist]

no

[young spoke]

. _.

[normal mist]

but its 100% better than you can do with that macro

[dense cedar]

you should just be using your buttons individually

[round vapor]

It’s a good starting point for you to learn the rotation.

[dense cedar]

if u don't want to do that

[main bridge]

if you want good dps you should learn your rotation

[tranquil lynx]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

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[round vapor]

Stay away from those macros.

[dense cedar]

use the one-button thing

[young spoke]

For now, I think I'll try that option, and to learn the rotation you recommend, or how can I see which rotation is the most efficient?

[main bridge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[main bridge]

read this

[round vapor]

Give guides a read and watch Whispyr’s latest vid on assassination.

[young spoke]

i see a lot of guides but all in english and i dont understand some things xd

[main bridge]

you can ask us if you're not sure

[round vapor]

Definitely give the one-button a go. No shame in starting there and taking it step by step.

[young spoke]

the 3 hourse in english video?? ._. https://youtu.be/HZXEXxFABJM?si=NrPSKWiBUlW8-gZ0

[round vapor]

Just go to the rotation part.

[main bridge]

i think YouTube can translate now

not sure how good it is

[young spoke]

yeah but for this video no have 🙁

[hollow river]

you can look at other people's rotations in logs maybe

the timelines just show the icons so maybe that'd help

[clever sparrow]

even raidbots doing 2 mil st 💔

[steel sable]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

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[young spoke]

nah i have better dps with the GSE https://wowlazymacros.com/t/11-1-7-autospec-assassination-maximum-dps-output-sophisticated-gse-sequences-single-target-multi-target-detection-advanced-cooldown-defensive-usage-delivered-through-a-custom-built-precision-tuned-combat-ui/58107 the one button for me is bad, I still have low DPS, but I don't know why.

[proper pendant]

Guys how am I gunna play rogue without hekili

[normal mist]

with your hands

[normal mist]

because thats a macro

and its bad

and not really smart

and it doesnt make decisions

it follows a path

whatever you're doing

At that point, use 1 button rotation

at least it knows when to aoe

[young spoke]

oks ill try learn to play rogue xd

ty

[dense cedar]

[ebon cloud]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[sudden brook]

1/1 mastery/crit enchant is so good wtf

[rigid geyser]

Any has some advice for improvement? Thanks for help

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GLZtMC4Hv8zNwX6Y?fight=8&type=damage-done

[ripe sphinx]

just spent 200k on a dagger transmog

coulda went towards the t3 fund but… sigh

[jolly stirrup]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[drowsy lotus]

In m+ is it better to cycle around keep dots on targets or splatter bomb main target?

[lofty tangle]

hi guys
Can someone tell me why doesn't anyone take kingsbane to m+?

[clever sparrow]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[clever sparrow]

check rotation

AND READ EVERYTHING UNLIKE ME

or you will keep asking and being trolled (make your name yellow for more troll)

[sick garnet]

damn, watching zeros blasting lets me reconsider all my life choices. looks like im doing something fundamentally wrong 🤯

[clever sparrow]

WTF IS 11MIL OVERALL

[fresh kelp]

assa is probably the best spec in the game in keys rn

[unborn rain]

which one

[sick garnet]

every single key i see numbers like this from him

[drowsy lotus]

He’s basically spreading dots whole pull it’s crazy

[ripe sphinx]

night blade

looks so sexy

[unborn rain]

makes sense

[proper pendant]

Bro we getting nerfed like there is no way we aren’t catching another one

[unborn rain]

nah wtf

[proper pendant]

We are so broken

[hallow glade]

log on to assa bugfix/nerf 🥰

[unborn rain]

so

[proper pendant]

If we get a nerf is this disc gunna shutdown in protest

[drowsy lotus]

I think we’re gna get nerfed lol the gameplay is all around bleeds and not envenom bomb windows

[drowsy lotus]

People here have said we need a neerf

[normal mist]

we aint stupid

[proper pendant]

I’m just saying this isn’t gunna last so I’m already planning on going back to sub but we will see

[normal mist]

it was the same last season

[sudden brook]

part of this is gameplay, part of this is routing

[proper pendant]

We are gapping people by like 4m or more raw dps on each pull

[sudden brook]

if your tank doesnt pull around sins strengths then sins strengths aren't as potent

The spec is still extremely strong

Probably nerf territory but

[weary spear]

Yeah assa broken rn

[sick garnet]

Hot take, ill take an aoe nerf if they compensate it with a single target buff (especiall for death stalker)

[hallow glade]

it seems a lot less broken that it was last night lol

[clever sparrow]

watching zac's stream?

[azure roost]

i just went from no piece to 2 piece

what the hell

[clever sparrow]

cause i cant find zerros

[ripe sphinx]

i’m really confused abt darkest hour

my uptime is so shit

all the time

[sick garnet]

https://www.twitch.tv/zerossxdd

[sudden brook]

In what world would sin get "compenstation buffs"

[royal lantern]

Did you ever thought about playing a spec you actually enjoy playing

[clever sparrow]

ty tty

[sick garnet]

idk, im an outlaw rogue in disuise lol

[proper pendant]

Yeah that’s sub

[sudden brook]

They will probably nerf CT if I had to guess

[royal lantern]

WoW players are well known to be reasonable people with normal expectations

[royal lantern]

then play sub

[winged sun]

guys spatter nerf is fine

it didnt affect us dw

[proper pendant]

No cause assass is broken

[sudden brook]

no rogue spec is broken enough to justify a nerf yet, especially when warlock/ele still exist

[winged sun]

this is the absolute biggest pump in town

highest than max ilvl classes on ptr

day 3

[proper pendant]

I’m telling you we gunna wake up on Tuesday to 8% dmg decrease

[royal lantern]

zeross and a leafy comming up with balance stuff at the same time, im out, i cant take that all at once

[ripe sphinx]

@winged sun i didn’t deserve that timeout wth

[royal lantern]

and ofc assa will get pushed a notch down

ofc it will lol

[proper pendant]

I mean it’s literally cooking every spec in m+

[winged sun]

didnt know it was u

[proper pendant]

Nothing comes close if you’re good

[weary spear]

Were they not using aoe to let you funnel off mobs

[winged sun]

is it gone or

[jolly stirrup]

!wa

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[winged sun]

no

[ripe sphinx]

i got an ad so i closed out 😕

[winged sun]

why would they do that

on a 15

lol

[winged sun]

ah

lmk if its still there

[royal lantern]

but jfc, those no name guys that immediately start with "then i will play X" should get a reality check for once

like wtf are you doing, you are not progressing the 3rd boss mythic rn

[winged sun]

gonna mod u or someshit

[royal lantern]

[winged sun]

xdd

[ripe sphinx]

it’s gone now

[split veldt]

sprint macro got bigger this patch lmao

[sick garnet]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[clever sparrow]

why zeros have a legendary from Legion in his bag?

[winged sun]

spatter is now below sanguine blades

[sick garnet]

does the shiv/tea macro replaces to have an extra keybind for tea?

[winged sun]

and not on par with CT sometimes

unlucky

[ripe sphinx]

15… man i’m still pugging 12s 😕

i’m so behind

[royal lantern]

for like 4 years now, yes

[ripe sphinx]

it’s over

[sick garnet]

im r1 rogue on my server with 12 resilient lol

[ripe sphinx]

guess title push starts in midnight

[ripe sphinx]

i need taz wings still

[sick garnet]

yeah i come from outlaw

[royal lantern]

i wanna say words but dont

[sick garnet]

Do it

Im tough

[small garnet]

any of you run a diff build in streets? that shit has like no trash i feel like

[main bridge]

might be a sub angle

[ripe sphinx]

i don’t like streets

ngl man

[ocean quiver]

thing is right

[sudden brook]

press N swap subtelety

[ocean quiver]

do they rip you out of stealth? not really familiar with macros and stuff so the [nostealth] does that just not use it in stealth?

[sick garnet]

imagine havin vers 🙁

[ocean quiver]

or does it do something else

[patent sandal]

is thw 2-2 tier worth?

[royal lantern]

we are in frking day 3 of the season

[spice spire]

You changed

[small garnet]

[ocean quiver]

pressing n does nothing scammer

[split veldt]

one of them was ripping me out of stealth

cant remember which one

[ocean quiver]

I know the bauble thing does

as it does when I use it

[sudden brook]

Literally

I just play sin even though its bad in the dungeon

[royal lantern]

like

[ocean quiver]

wdym bad

[royal lantern]

m+ andys

[ocean quiver]

I play it and it's fine?

[royal lantern]

are so cooked

talk about frking secondary stats

on day3

[sudden brook]

mark breaks on oasis

[main bridge]

Streets just got nerfed too so it will be easier

[rigid fable]

guys in ST fatebound if you have 4p right?

[frigid pilot]

Why is crit simming so high for me on fatebound

[royal lantern]

FB wins in ST by default

[humble verge]

am i stupid

[royal lantern]

becasue FB likes crit

[humble verge]

in FB 4p

do we not get double shiv all the time?

[frigid pilot]

What interacts with crit so well?

[royal lantern]

read talents

[humble verge]

as in we get first kb

[royal lantern]

i know wow players hate doing that

[humble verge]

not 2nd but then 3rd

[frigid pilot]

You’re in a melee forum we don’t read

[ocean quiver]

2 shiv dm, 1 shiv kb, 2 shiv dm pretty sure

I think

[humble verge]

yeyeyey aight

[sudden brook]

Don't fuck with rogue players, we can't read

[frigid pilot]

If I wanted to read I’d main mage

[ocean quiver]

whats seal fate

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-smash-wood-playing-gif-17749007

[royal lantern]

[sick garnet]

what else you wanna do in this game? raid is for m+ gearing

[ocean quiver]

he runs delves 24/7

[royal lantern]

m+ is the containtment cell for LoL players

[humble verge]

man

[royal lantern]

[humble verge]

eco is so free

can just ++ a 12

[sick garnet]

that is a hot take

[humble verge]

this is not even a take

[rigid fable]

i dont have any season 3 tiers so should play Deathstalker? in ST

[humble verge]

when did m+ become a MOBA

🤨

[royal lantern]

m+ andys are literally the league SoloQ guys in wow

same brain damage

same behaviour

[humble verge]

so you are saying that I'VE got brain damage

[keen spruce]

well

[royal lantern]

same level of delusion that what they are doing is meaningfull

[keen spruce]

[sick garnet]

what are the real gamers than? the mount collectors and transmog farmers?

[royal lantern]

we play wow, we all have SOME form of brain damage man

[keen spruce]

then*

[humble verge]

he says fak u

[clever sparrow]

how do i know if every single mob have the bleed on it?

[royal lantern]

playing a 20year old mmo in 2025, we are not normal people

[keen spruce]

plater

should show bleeds

[dense talon]

!build

[clever sparrow]

should i look 1 by 1 in a huge pack?

;D

[keen spruce]

also it's not that big of a deal to get every single add in every single pull

[quartz topaz]

When playing sin in keys do you really need to DOT like 5 mobs with rupture? Or can it spread by something else

[royal lantern]

why would you want that

[keen spruce]

I mean just get a general look at things

[royal lantern]

you dont dot up everything

[keen spruce]

rupture applied to 2 targets

[clever sparrow]

some times you have to

[dense talon]

What is the command which explains cleave hybrid and bleed build?

[clever sparrow]

on bleed build

[keen spruce]

but also that's a sub question

[keen spruce]

it's never that important

[royal lantern]

not really?

[keen spruce]

unless the target count is low enough that it's pretty easy to tell

if you're missing something

[fresh kelp]

use color plater mod to garrote 12-15 mobs or whatever you can see and then slam them on main target

[clever sparrow]

as i know if the mob is living more than 15 sec it worth rupture

😄

[river vapor]

How much dps loss is it to just always hold vanish for target swapping

[royal lantern]

if you waste time spreading dots 24/7, its not good

you spread dots in a way and size where it actually helps and on enemys that wont die soon

[ocean quiver]

I normally rupture ads if i'm starving a bit for energy

idk if thats how to optimally play tho

[royal lantern]

not "rupture->tab->rupture" for 20sec

[keen spruce]

depends, in m+ it's often good to hold vanish for weird chain pulls or to deal with mechanics

idk how much of a % loss it is though

can vary

[royal lantern]

rupture sniping is overall a very small gain, but not really something you really think about

[grave osprey]

Hey guys, in this new season, with bleed build- if tank is chain pulling mobs and not allowing re-stealth. Is that a big set back to our dps or can Crimson tempest carry us?

[royal lantern]

if you mean rupture them when a enemy is dying and you are low energy

[ocean quiver]

Fairs, normally just do it so I can actually attack and not have to sit there auto attacking 💀

[royal lantern]

doesnt matter, proper chainpulls are good

[royal lantern]

if you run out of energy in AoE, you do something wrong

running out of energy in ST is normal and part of the spec

[keen spruce]

just get a few manual ruptures out

[ocean quiver]

no no just raid

[keen spruce]

normal rotation

and priority

[royal lantern]

well, same rules there

[keen spruce]

doesn't rly matter if t ank is chaining

[grave osprey]

5 ruptures, and Crimson tempest + garrote main target, right?

[keen spruce]

probably something like that yeah

[royal lantern]

yeha, thats your basic maintenance in m+

[ocean quiver]

Is there an optimal gearing guide out there? like what to spend crests on, what to craft etc

[grave osprey]

Cool thank you

[keen spruce]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[ocean quiver]

when to spend catalyst charges too

[keen spruce]

wowhead has a crafting spot

it's not that deep

[ocean quiver]

Yeah I would assume weapon is gonna be first anyway for the craft

was mainly for like, catalyst charges, when do use them im not too sure as I normally just wait a few weeks before playing the season

[keen spruce]

it's gonna depend on your current gear, drops, gear access, raid difficulty that you realistically clear, loot priority in your guild, etc

like if you're gonna clear heroic every week

[ocean quiver]

lets say the rest of the raid I get no loot drops for tier, but I have hero tracked items, am I just catalysting it (I have 2set already rn)

[keen spruce]

well you get one token from AOTC

[ocean quiver]

I got ksm token

[keen spruce]

ye same same

[ocean quiver]

same achievement I think

[keen spruce]

so you have 2pc including that

[ocean quiver]

Yeah

2 charges + 2 set

[keen spruce]

then catalysting rn isn't that important

[ocean quiver]

Aight

[keen spruce]

wait you have 2 catalyst charges?

I mean idk it depends

[ocean quiver]

Yeah

[keen spruce]

if you're gonna start cracking myth track gear next week

might as well wait

catalyzing hero track feels bad

[ocean quiver]

Planning on it, if it happens tho im not sure

[keen spruce]

unless that's your highest gear access

[ocean quiver]

Yeah I can just wait then

[grave osprey]

One from 2k io and one from start of season

[keen spruce]

I dont play stinky game

[ocean quiver]

What about spending crests on stuff like trinkets? I got this from chest but (I know champion) but it sims pretty high for ST

[keen spruce]

well sim it at a higher ilvl

cuz the crests you dump into it might not be giving you that much more value

[fresh kelp]

farm 10s for 701 pieces and free upgrade it

[keen spruce]

I normally held crests for a while

yeah also that

just farm 2 hero trinkets

then you can free upgrade it

[ocean quiver]

true

[proven willow]

im stuck with 2 on use, lily should be with deathmark because ilvl right

[acoustic roost]

20k agility or 9k mastery during bust window

[shy dragon]

God damn, I just can't keep up as assa in m+

bois it's official, I'm too old

[ocean quiver]

how

literally supa dupa easy in m+

[keen spruce]

It doesn't get much easier than assas

[ocean quiver]

ret

[keen spruce]

time to send unc to the retirement home

[ocean quiver]

30 buttons per minute rotation

2 button rotation

[pulsar plank]

with 2pc fb build is it kb->dm->shiv?

[split veldt]

are the best trinkets for keys still antenna/forge?

[keen spruce]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[shy dragon]

Dunno bois, it's just not clicking
Can't seem to break 6mil overall

#washed

just did a +11 prio and shit's rough yo

[ocean quiver]

😎

was only a 7 tho :(

[shy dragon]

Was about to ask, wtf did you complete with the rest of the dps looking like that lol

[keen spruce]

I think forge except with 4pc in ST

on FB

[ocean quiver]

a 7 floodgate

💀

[keen spruce]

for m+ probably forge antenna

but prism or lily both fine

for the active slot

[ocean quiver]

@shy dragon could be worse

8 halls

💀

[shy dragon]

Yeah dunno man, it's just something nor clicking for me. Was maining healer all of S1-2, but it is what it is

forever weekly key gamer

[brave comet]

i dont see my portal to halls of atonement

even though i timed it

[plain moon]

did you just time it?

try a /rl or a relog if that doesnt work

[brave comet]

no i timed it yesterday

[keen spruce]

you were only 6 minutes under time, not fast enough

[hoary fulcrum]

I got a hero TW Wrathstone, this a good trinket?

[distant plinth]

Its 12 for portal isnt it? Or is it 10🤣

[shy dragon]

unless they changed it for S3, 10

[distant plinth]

Ohh, might be a bug is on the WA then

[keen spruce]

check the spellbook

to see if it's there

[echo crystal]

on dimensius, can you shadowstep him in phase 3? Ive been to pussy to try

[final star]

Is it worth it to shiv before DM with 4p as Deathstalker

since Shiv lasts so long

or is it better after because then more overlap with lingering darkness

[lyric crater]

oo weapon echant councils gulie that good over agi enchat

[empty tide]

Fatebound loves crit

[agile geode]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lyric crater]

i c crap that going to suck great for single bit im betting not so much for M +

[buoyant dome]

when running Deathstalker (aoe/m+), does rupture/crimson tempest refresh take prio over darkest night envenom? or do we always envenom first even if the dots expire?

[final star]

DN always #1 prio

[analog field]

but not good to let dots expire, try to not be in this place

refresh a bit earlier etc

[final star]

yuh

[buoyant dome]

yeah that makes sense, since refreshing takes one mark stack so its also wasteful

tyty

[final star]

more you lose a stacked corrupt the blood too

[ocean quiver]

Do we just play the m+ bleed build for soul hunters?

[analog field]

not bad but i played the ct st and i did more the 2nd time

[keen spruce]

it's never mutually exclusive

unless you already fucked up many things

but yeah if you make many woopsies and have to pick

DN more important

[buoyant dome]

it does sometimes happen in-between pulls where you have DN up and no dots though (in m+)

[analog field]

that's different

you can ignore DN there

[brave comet]

its not

[keen spruce]

😢

[normal mist]

just do it during SL

fixed

[split veldt]

my 40 year old man brain is struggling to remember which kyveza clone to look at next, they come out so fast on ??

[quartz topaz]

Sorry I meant sin rogue not sub

[half tartan]

Experienced m+ qts, when your tank chain pulls and you dont get a restealth and have no vanish charges going into like a 5,, or an 8+ pack, how many ruptures do you put out and do we prio crimson over ruptures?

The old ruptures died

[keen spruce]

indiscriminate carnage spreads bleeds when coming out of stealth

[brave comet]

so its unacquirable for me cause i just did it a second time

it seems i cant get the portal

[quartz topaz]

So I don’t need to rupture?

[normal mist]

might get fixed soon

[keen spruce]

no you do need to rupture

it just applies it to 2 additional targets

when you do

same with garrote

during the buff duration coming out of stealth

[quartz topaz]

Oooh I thought I needed to DOT everything first

[proper bobcat]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[burnt star]

Rupture/garrotte ia mostly energy

Most of your damage comes from splatter or c.t

Rupture also gives u a buff stacking up to 5 ruptured.. so its worth getting those out

[frosty oxide]

Sanguine blades puts in work too

So how bad are we about to get nerfed?

[keen spruce]

same as always

3-5%

then everyone else catches up with gear and stats

then we're 3-5% worse than everyone

[frosty oxide]

Lol

[quartz topaz]

Aah so dot up 5 targets?

[frosty oxide]

@quartz topaz depends on the pull size, but yeah generally at least 5

[cyan lily]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[scarlet wyvern]

i have a deep feeling in my balls that we gonna get a hefty nerf hammer soon

[burnt star]

Nah.. rogue wont get nerf..

Pretty sure its gonna end up where they want it to end up

Right above ret

[inland hinge]

Why are mobs suddenly saying 'Immune' to Rupture in M+?

[dense cedar]

which mobs?

[inland hinge]

Literally everything, I just cant put Rupture on anything

[dense cedar]

no clue, sounds like ur bugged

[inland hinge]

Fun, thanks xd

[keen spruce]

are you use you're pressing rupture

[inland hinge]

Haha yeah 100%

[keen spruce]

sure*

first thought is immune to garrote silence or stun DR from kidney

is it doing it to like

target dummies?

[inland hinge]

Havent tried

Just tried on Punching Bag toy. Build 1 combo point, press Rupture... Immune

[rotund oak]

there is a WA that highlights the shadow and the massacre

[dense cedar]

relog?

[inland hinge]

Tried that, disabled all addons as well

It goes on after like 3 tries to press it, takes my energy but not combo points

[keen spruce]

do you have a macro

for your rupture

[inland hinge]

Standard mouseover macro

[keen spruce]

or just base ability

try it with just the base ability

[inland hinge]

Ok, that works. Why would that matter though lol

[keen spruce]

i dunno

just trouble shooting

[split veldt]

oh, link?

[keen spruce]

can you paste you MO macro in here

maybe some condition or typo or something

[inland hinge]

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,exists,nodead] [] Rupture

[keen spruce]

try

/cast [@mouseover, exists, nodead] Rupture; Rupture

[floral thorn]

Hold energy over 50% or just send it in bleed build m+ on st bosses?

[keen spruce]

i think that was it

[keen spruce]

just send

[floral thorn]

Ty

[inland hinge]

No, still immune. So weird, Ill just not use macro for now. Thanks for helping the troubleshooting

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-smash-wood-playing-gif-17749007

shit's broken idk

[inland hinge]

Early patch nonsense

[radiant shadow]

what will it happened if we get the lily from the vault? 😛 do we play 2 on use
or we skip prism for Antenna?

[sand aurora]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are boot/wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" overall, but Blessed Weapon Grip + Dawnthread can be VERY VERY slightly better in m+

Always craft a dagger for at least an offhand. Put Ascencion or Blessed Weapon Grip on it. Additional Crafts should be Boots/Cape/Wrist/Belt for your second embellishment, after that whatever low item level slot is fine, necks can be good crafts.
If you have a myth track weapon in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[ocean ore]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zhwv6kD3V17jFTgL?fight=last&type=auras&source=187
that shit of momentum of despair is bugged

[inland hinge]

Additional Crafts should be Boots/Cape/Wrist/Belt

probably not lol

[keen spruce]

that command looks old

moroes is drunk

[sudden brook]

The last time a spec was this op was balance druid and unholy dk which both barely got nerfed last season

Sin in keys is 100% getting nerfed, but I doubt it'll get gutted. It'll just be worse than it is rn! Which is like being 5-15% better than every spec

[fresh kelp]

enh s1

[keen spruce]

3-5% same as always

[fresh kelp]

only got buffed

[keen spruce]

[dire basalt]

why is my caustic spatter like 6th on my dps? am i doing sum wrong?

in m+

[thick juniper]

Is spreading bleeds and garrote by recasting in your main target viable? I get lost easily when clicking around

[keen spruce]

probably not maintaining Caustic Spatter

[keen spruce]

yeah it's generally fine to just spread off main target

technically not optimal, but not a big deal

[thick juniper]

Aight thanks

[keen spruce]

if you have a good plater profile and MO macros it makes spreading a bit easier

[dire basalt]

upholding caustic spatter done by mutilating every now and then?

[keen spruce]

ye

you should be tracking it on your main target

[dire basalt]

hmm feels like im doing it tho

i see

i might be switching target

[keen spruce]

as long as you switch your spatter over

then it's fine

but normally you'll have a primary target in m+ pulls

[gaunt sigil]

The target needs to be ruptured for mutilate to activate spatter

[dire basalt]

yeah

any Mo macros for rupt/garrote someone can link maybe?

i aslo get overwhelmed when tabbing

[keen spruce]

i think it was this one

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover, exists, nodead] Rupture; Rupture

but someone else was having some issues earlier

and I don't remember if that's exactly right

[dire basalt]

okey ill try it

also on what amount of targets do i stop using crimson t?

)im new=

[keen spruce]

I think you CT in single target in m+

with the bleed build

[dire basalt]

ohhhh

okey

didnt do that

ty

[chrome mirage]

How impactful was the caustic bug for overall?

[proper seal]

How is the soulbreakers sigil trinket for rogues? dont see it listed anywhere

[rose inlet]

It was like 20% more caustic damage than intended

[dire basalt]

i heard 8% in whispyrs vid

[teal osprey]

pretty sure it was 8%

[fresh kelp]

48/40 is a 20% increase

so it is both 8% and 20%

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/drooling-black-cat-drooling-gif-1128865733628000229

[plush skiff]

strange question that probably has little impact but when im building to 7cp for darkest night is it okay to use garrote as a builder if it is in pandemic

[chrome mirage]

ofc

[keen spruce]

you should use normal builder priority in all cases

so if garrote is in pandemic then garrote

[plush skiff]

kk ty

[keen spruce]

if anything it's kind of nice when you randomly end up on 6cp

and garrote is in pandemic

with DN

[plush skiff]

yeah that is nice

i just wasnt sure in other cases

[keen spruce]

cuz you don't lose any seal fate cp

Well like if you're on 5

and it's early in pandemic

you could mutilate, env, garrote

as long as garrote won't fall off

[plush skiff]

one more question if i walk into a pack with darkest night should my prio be to envenom first or still dot like normal then envenom after

[chrome mirage]

Gotta say, FB feels fucking smooth to play with the extra seal fate cmbo

[keen spruce]

I normally just open normally

opened*

idk if anything has changed

but since spreading bleeds in gcd dependent I'd imagine it's more important to just leverage IC

while it's available

but idk

[clever sparrow]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[whole mason]

I think the FoK open would directly trigger this as it generate minimal interval if the distance the projectile travel allows.

[balmy condor]

It’s possible

[shy dragon]

Do we care about envenom in large m+ pulls to get Slice n Dice rolling or is it just to proc Darkest Night?

[keen spruce]

it's your main spender

once bleeds are rolling

cuz of caustic n stuff

[woven trout]

/gear

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[shy dragon]

RIght, so just go about the normal wowhead opener, then swap over to envenom once we get rolling

[sterile wave]

One question, when I have to reinsert bleeds into a pull, Use vanish??

[keen spruce]

yeah if you're on the wowhead page just scroll down

it's has the rotation prio down below

[keen spruce]

yeah or just do it manually if vanish is down

[sterile wave]

Ok thx (:

Do you know of any good weakaura for rogue?

[keen spruce]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[sterile wave]

ok thx so much

[keen spruce]

[normal mist]

@balmy condor Would it be possible to change the !craft command?

[balmy condor]

To what

[autumn prism]

any kind hearted rouge that can help me

[normal mist]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are boot/wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" overall, but Blessed Weapon Grip + Dawnthread can be VERY VERY slightly better in m+

Always craft a dagger for at least an offhand. Put Ascencion or Blessed Weapon Grip on it. Additional Crafts should be Boots/Cape/Wrist/Belt for your second embellishment, after that whatever low item level slot is fine, necks can be good crafts.
If you have a myth track weapon in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[autumn prism]

i have struggles with araz

[keen spruce]

[normal mist]

maybe the boots/cape (boots are kinda rng tho)

[upbeat cave]

Does sin only play fatebound in keys when they have the new 4set?

[normal mist]

no

[dense cedar]

don't play it in keys

[upbeat cave]

Ah sadge ok

Thanks

[ashen totem]

just whispyr spreading misinfo... again...

[keen spruce]

[serene mason]

!kb

[prisma monolith]

The Kingsbane Bug associated with the Fatebound 2 Set Bonus was not fixed on PTR. We have no way of knowing if it is fixed on live servers, as tier is not available until next week. Fatebound sims reflect the bug and are still much stronger.

[serene mason]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[blissful storm]

Does assa have different bis trinkets for M+? I am wondering if https://www.wowhead.com/item=242495/incorporeal-warpclaw is a nice one for m+

[mighty elm]

its bad

[nimble tartan]

omg bubbling wax tier

chat we need to pickpocket

[sudden brook]

Omr got ForeverGuy twitter notifications turned on

[buoyant dome]

do you guys optimize gems for the algari diamond or just send full crit/mastery for fatebound?

[dense cedar]

raidbots can already sim to see if the colours matter iirc

[balmy condor]

I see

[buoyant dome]

tried doing that, but it only tried full sending one gem across all sockets every time, probably didn't modify the sim correctly

[normal mist]

you need to tick the box that says "force 4 colors"

"only max colors"

[prime quail]

how do i play around the tset best? what is to fuckup there?

[normal mist]

which one

[prime quail]

for m+ the new one

[normal mist]

...

hmmm

[iron carbon]

Hey @normal mist I heard there's big fire in Portugal right now, i hope you okay mate...

[normal mist]

there isnt much there to fuck up

[normal mist]

Yeah big fires everywhere, it aint pretty

Fortunatelly there isnt any nearby

[iron carbon]

Yeah, I mean, you're okay cuz you're there but nothing bad for your family or thing that could hurt you

[iron carbon]

Glad to read that

[keen spruce]

be safe king

[livid dagger]

Are catalysts weekly or every other week like s1?

[balmy condor]

Every other

[livid dagger]

Ty

[dire basalt]

so set bonus for fatebound isnt working atm? whats the diff in ST dp for deathstalker vs fate?

[balmy condor]

It is

[normal mist]

north of the country filled with huge fires

[dire basalt]

anyone knows st dps diff between deathstalker and fatevound?

[normal mist]

huge

[iron carbon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[iron carbon]

@dire basalt here ^

[whole mason]

It looks like they already tried to fix this and made a new bug: I just tested if you got for example 6/8 first CB env, by 2 rupt+22dm+22kb+22cbenv, non of last two coins return to you as lucky coin and no you dont get the buff either.

[balmy condor]

That’s an old bug that’s existed since beta

[whole mason]

because..?

[balmy condor]

Because 6->8 is not 7

[prime quail]

@normal mist thats a breakdown of a halls 10 idk im not really pumping i run only the new 2set is sth here seen as a big mistake ?

[balmy condor]

This looks good

[normal mist]

seems like a good breakdown

[prime quail]

the ones i looked on WCL had like double the rupture dmg than garrote

thought maybe there is a prob

[balmy condor]

Did you open the group

[dire basalt]

damn, how come we dont see alot of sub rogue in dung if its that good?

[balmy condor]

Or did you just see rupture and go “oh rupture big”

[final star]

What's the reason you mut after vanish instead of ambush

[balmy condor]

And stopped thinking passed that

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t matter

[final star]

based

[prime quail]

wdym by that ?i always do double rupture when i start the pack

[balmy condor]

When you look at the log

Did you open the group

[iron carbon]

No, did you check rupture details in log

[balmy condor]

And check what the rupture damage is

Or did you open a log

[prime quail]

oh no

[balmy condor]

See 14% rup

[iron carbon]

Cuz Details and Wlog pack/split abilities

[balmy condor]

And turn your brain off

[final star]

My question earlier too; is it more worth to have shiv in lingering darkness than to shiv before DM

[iron carbon]

I ndiff way

[midnight atlas]

!wa

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[final star]

since it's +3s

[balmy condor]

No

Also you don’t shiv before dm on deathstalker

[warped osprey]

Hello guys, how do you open on large mobs in M+ as bleed build

[balmy condor]

You shiv before kb

[final star]

ye that's what I'm asking

cos increased duration

means you can have entire shiv anyway

[balmy condor]

Gar everything rupture 5-8 targets, darkest night, CT, shiv

[iron carbon]

@balmy condor Good luck with the people not able to read a guide

[prime quail]

kb?

[iron carbon]

And the fact assa is popular cuz pumping

[balmy condor]

Yeah but you have any remaining duration hang over into lingering

[final star]

that's what I typed

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/just-do-it-just-read-read-reading-is-fundamental-edward-gif-7388662087467009896

[balmy condor]

You typed shiv before dm

[ornate gate]

should i have a mouse over macro for garrote

[final star]

re-read it

[balmy condor]

It’s not necessary but if you want

[normal mist]

Whispyr, i actually got a question lol Idk if it was because of your FB video or anything on the guide, but i somewhere read/heard that before 4pc or 2pc? cant remember we could go MA/Imp garr route, Do you remember anything about it or am i imagining things?

[final star]

is it more worth to have shiv in lingering darkness than to shiv before DM was me asking that shiv for lingering better than for DM

[balmy condor]

That got shut down real quick with more apl

[normal mist]

fuck

[iron carbon]

Your question is wrong cuz you don't shiv before DM

[normal mist]

i've been playing wrong then

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah obviously; you would never shiv before dm

[iron carbon]

Just DM Shiv Kb shiv when first is over

[final star]

let's translate again

[wheat tiger]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[final star]

is this shiv better than this shiv

[balmy condor]

Bro ask a non stupid question

Shiv before dm is shit

Everything is better than that

You’re asking if good shiv is better than terrible mistake shiv

?????

[final star]

yes

[distant fog]

old 4p or new 2p + old 2p for m+ ?

[iron carbon]

Tilt has started

[normal mist]

pins

[balmy condor]

Yes obviously it’s better than mistake shiv

Not making a mistake is generally good

[final star]

Like me asking means the thought occured to me that increased duration is good but then also me thinking of the second thing

then confirming that I was right in the first place

💀

[balmy condor]

I have no clue what you’re doing

But is your question answered

[humble ginkgo]

with deathstalker when do u send netherprism

[balmy condor]

Dm

[humble ginkgo]

kk

[dire basalt]

what do u mean by darkest night before CT? im new fyi

[balmy condor]

You consume the darkest night envenom before you cast ct

[dire basalt]

ahh so 7 cp enven

[balmy condor]

Yes

[dire basalt]

gotcha ty

[balmy condor]

It is the highest prio out of anything you could do

Very important

[dire basalt]

makes sense now, my dmg was kinda low also mayby why my casustic spatter was far down on dps

[slim copper]

talking about DK envenom, is there any other priority for when i should hold it? Or just blast it when i get it

[royal lantern]

never hold

always get it out asap

[balmy condor]

If you have darkest night your only thought should be “I need to get rid of it”

[royal lantern]

no mark out = you have no hero talents active

[slim copper]

gotcha

[royal lantern]

and DN IS the payoff of your hero talent afterall

[slim copper]

makes sense thanks

sorry for hijacking Maangon

🙂

[midnight mist]

np

[slim copper]

bro gtfoh

[dire basalt]

are u able to spread death mark to mult targets? or it works on all targets that are bleeding?

[slim copper]

lmao

[balmy condor]

No

[prime quail]

does the 4p do a lot for dps ?

[winter mantle]

!wa

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[balmy condor]

Yes

Tier is good

[devout mist]

so its optimal to use prism at 3min unless dmg amp? any % dmg gain napkin math?

[balmy condor]

0.5%

[devout mist]

i guess its a given fight is >6 min long or a bit over 3 mins

[dire basalt]

sux not getting a single tier piece yet

[devout mist]

if not use at 4:30

[dire basalt]

😦

[balmy condor]

No napkin math required, sims play it on a 3 min timer

[devout mist]

ah i see thx

[dire basalt]

are u able to get the old one? and is it worth it until next week for the new set?

[orchid pewter]

!up