assassination

[ripe sphinx]

hmm

is that me not making sure its up in aoe

[thorn thorn]

Should be #2 easily

It is probably dropping in aoe from the looks of it

[weary spear]

Idk spatter maybe 3rd depending on key I don’t remember tbh but defs higher for that and CT

[thorn thorn]

Hard to tell without a log

[ripe sphinx]

ill log next key i do

[thorn thorn]

Ct should very easily be #1

[ripe sphinx]

this was in streets

[weary spear]

Most common mistake is swapping targets too often and losing your mark/spatter target

I don’t see singular focus on there

So probably a problem of losing your prio target

[ripe sphinx]

hmm i see i see

im still getting used to dotting i might just be doing just that

and swapping too much

[elfin chasm]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[storm elbow]

Is dungeon slice sim okay for assassination for M+? I know no sim is 100% perfect but I couldn't find a solid answer when I looked through past messages for this spec.

[weary spear]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[weary spear]

Maybe this helps

[gray raven]

so if people are playing netherprisim you're just doing first set of CDs dry or you hold them?

[ripe sphinx]

not neccessarily required as in like

how bad of a loss is it

[severe jacinth]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[patent snow]

Do we want to vanish twice during DM? Or just after the 2nd shiv to apply imp garrote?

[real solar]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[gloomy silo]

When simk, should I use Fatebound or Deathstalker?

[glad ferry]

Quick question cause I'm mid raid but, after initial opener with fatebound, once I get my 3rd shiv and kb and mark are on cd, do I use the shiv or do I wait for 2 stacks on next KB? it feels wierd with 1.5min deathmark cd

Or do I just press shit on CD

[small cairn]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[tight oracle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[runic hinge]

Yes use Dslice

[weary spear]

Just hammer bleeds into one prio target, shiv, envenom spam

Your damage breakdown will look much better

[ripe sphinx]

kk ty

will report back after this key

[weary spear]

If packs live long enough

Practice a mouse over rupture macro you’ll need it eventually imo

[ripe sphinx]

is it bad to hold vanishes only to reapply bleeds

[weary spear]

No

[ripe sphinx]

okok

[weary spear]

You can blast most keys without using vanish once

[ripe sphinx]

that’s what i’ve been doing

packs live a decent amount in my keys

[dapper halo]

did you know that cats, go || meow ||

[weary spear]

But obvs use it. Save a charge for bad pug tank protection

[formal venture]

Hey everyone would i macro the lilly trinket into my shiv aswell or would there be a reason to use it anywhere else?

[weary spear]

Death mark only

[storm elbow]

ty ❤️

[formal venture]

Okay, but then I will be using it less right? talking about the bleed build in m+ not raiding

[weary spear]

That’s right

[formal venture]

Okay thank you @weary spear

[crude seal]

So, just timed a +5 with a single dagger

Just spamming FoK and Crimson Tempest

[ripe sphinx]

will start

what’s the macro

[onyx saffron]

Yeah tag me in that macro above ill mess around with it after work

[dapper halo]

its caturday tho :3

[surreal plank]

During fights is there a time where we just won’t be hitting button? To build been playing monk for years and it’s an always be casting type thing.

[tranquil wing]

during ST fights when you're energy starved

[weary spear]

I’m not at my PC just google mouseover macro for it and copy paste

Don’t worry about it while you’re learning but if scent of blood stacks drop off that’s a good time to spread a couple

[balmy condor]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[slim copper]

when running FB do we need to save CB for any specific time? or just blow it on cd?

[balmy condor]

macro to kingsbane

[strange python]

dude i tried assa with my outlaw gear and worse weapons, did more damage wtf

[balmy condor]

skill issue

[strange python]

might be

maybe i suck at outlaw, but assa seems fun

[slim copper]

ohhhh right... because of the cdr 🧠

[balmy condor]

well mostly because you want to match the edge cases

even before the tier set

but yes

the cdr lines up as well

[slim copper]

cool thanks! 🙂

[neat rain]

What am I doing wrong to make my caustic splatter deal so little?

[balmy condor]

that seems about right, but your CT seems really high

are you spamming CT or something

this was a 10 floodgate I did

[neat rain]

I think that must me it, I must be hitting CT early but I'm only trying to refresh it around 1-2 seconds left

[balmy condor]

well now hold on

where is all your deathstalker stuff

those are pisslow

idk

[regal sable]

mark uptime ⚠️

[balmy condor]

hard to tell but it seems like you're trolling the mark uptime or just ignoring darkest night or something

no clear the witnesses, low singular focus, low corrupt the blood

is very suspicious

[regal sable]

longshot but make sure u dont have the sub macro on fok

[neat rain]

Clear the witnesses and Death stalker's mark are 17th and 20th with about 74mil and 54mil

[chilly marsh]

is Incorporeal Essence-Gorger secretely good? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oq52i4waz6B58DmNJL7bJB

or is that a bait?

[balmy condor]

jesus fuck

yeah okay that's horrid

clear the witnesses should not be anywhere remotely close to the mark

you're probably not cycling your darkest night

[neat rain]

Yeah idk I'm popping it on target every chance I can then when target dies I immediately pop darkest night with shiv on the next target

[balmy condor]

are you not hitting fok or something

[balmy condor]

its okay

[neat rain]

I do see the problem with clear the witness though so thats helpful

[tulip pasture]

Hey what is a rota for bleed build

[runic hinge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

bleed everything, press shiv, spam envenom

[neat rain]

Actually yeah another thing about Clear the witnesses is it even worth popping that in ST?

[balmy condor]

yes

[rotund oak]

im here for the pins

ah crit it is

[neat rain]

[runic hinge]

Crit me, beneath the milky twilight

[oak tangle]

@balmy condor, i just want to clarify something from the guide,

Cast Kingsbane on cooldown, making sure to cast it during Deathmark when it lines up every 2 minutes

This is for the fatebound ST rotation and priority. should that not be 1:30 cause of the CDR?

[tulip pasture]

You play with kingsbane ?

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

bleed build does not have kingsbane

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/just-do-it-just-read-read-reading-is-fundamental-edward-gif-7388662087467009896

[oak tangle]

ty, sorry for being pedantic, but I was just being a model citizen and reading guide first

[runic hinge]

[keen spruce]

[ripe sphinx]

so in 3+ targets do i only mutilate to keep caustic up

[balmy condor]

yes

[elfin chasm]

does it look good? bleed build

[balmy condor]

yeah

[elfin chasm]

your bleed build had caustic spatter on top, so.. something is wrong i guess?

[balmy condor]

nope

that can happen

[oak tangle]

testing my knowledge of fatebound

envenom pre dm = at minimum one streak of a coin
dm with 2pc - edge case = minimum 3 streak
kb with 2pc - edge case = min 5 streak
CB + vanish envenom = 7 to proc fateful

have i grasped why the rot is what it is

[balmy condor]

yeh

and then you have the second stack of cb

so you get to 8

[oak tangle]

now a dumb question, is it worth it, if you are going in on a stack of 2, to hold vanish till after the first cb enven

cause you will hit 7 without needing the double up from vanish

or is higher number better

[balmy condor]

no

you'll also never be at 2

[balmy condor]

the coins are stronger on higher stacks, yes

[cunning cloak]

Whispy, how do I become a stud like you?

[ripe sphinx]

i kinda don’t understand tempest

do i only use for the buff

[balmy condor]

what

[oak tangle]

is there a preference on which coin to start on

[ripe sphinx]

and envenom in aoe

[balmy condor]

crimson tempest is a dot

you maintain it

[ripe sphinx]

okok

ye

and envenom when it’s up

on the mob

[balmy condor]

no, also not like you can control it anyway

and you're also edge flipping

[oak tangle]

i guess most of the coins are edge cases anyway

[balmy condor]

so you get both

[balmy condor]

yes

[regal sable]

wtf assa edging

[ripe sphinx]

i’m slowly learning whispyr

i did like close to 9 mill overall in ecodome

[balmy condor]

nice

[ripe sphinx]

sorry if i ask a lot of questions , i read the guide and i just wanna make sure my understanding is right

[fringe spear]

We may never know :/ shame

[keen spruce]

AS LONG AS YOU READ THE GUIDE FIRST

CLARIFICATION QUESTIONS ARE A-OKAY

[haughty flicker]

OK THANK YOU SHMEEPS

[wary quest]

hi folks ! is it possible to deactivate automatic thistle tea drink under 30nrg or i just fail myself by poor energy management ?

[weary spear]

Outlaw gear is good for assa

Besides weaps

[jolly stirrup]

I don't know if I should upgrade my HC chest/head piece to set piece, or gamble if I get a mythic out of Vault next week. I am pummeling around 680, but I have gear I cant use because old gear set, that would bump me all the way to 690

What would you guys do

[vestal geyser]

@balmy condor can we shut down this discord to get some buffs

[jolly stirrup]

I have HC Pants Set piece from Vault this week

[drifting cloud]

@vestal geyser can you get an original joke without pinging whispyr

[vestal geyser]

Damn that's crazy

[wise gull]

if you don't have much to do this week just wait

i used catalyst on champion pieces

[velvet ridge]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[jolly stirrup]

Well we are raiding HC this monday

[regal linden]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[balmy condor]

he's right :)

[balmy condor]

no, just let it auto-proc, it's not an issue

[wise gull]

i still wish you could though

i want agency

[balmy condor]

agency to do the same damage

literally just the illusion of choice

[wise gull]

unironically yes

i liked pressing it

[jolly stirrup]

I know its intended, it still feels rough to have all energy drained and then just pummeling away

Auto attacking

[wary quest]

thanks, but sometimes i feel that i don't have it anymore to pair it with shiv

[balmy condor]

that's fine

[vestal prism]

if i havent entered mythic yet does a alliance to horde race change brick me

[balmy condor]

no

[drifting cloud]

no, and it wouldnt even if you did

its server change that bricks you

(unless its been fixed by now)

[vestal prism]

bet

[glad ferry]

Is it normal as fatebound to only have 1 stack of shiv for 2nd casts of deathmark ? On opener you can just shiv all the way the 2 stacks. But as it goes on it feels like CDs just get out of sync

[haughty flicker]

assuming you have 4p, you only use one shiv on the non dm kingsbanes

so you have 2 for every deathmark

[lucid orchid]

Hi guys. Does CT overlap or does it spread to other targets without?

[glad ferry]

So never use solo Shiv?

[haughty flicker]

if you mean dry shiv no

thats a deathstalker only thing

2 shivs deathmark, 1 kb, 2 dm

[glad ferry]

Ok yeah, learning fatebound after 1 and a half year of deathstalker is hard

muscle memory is strong

Do I shiv before KB on dry KB or last 8 seconds?

as FB

[haughty flicker]

last

[glad ferry]

kk ty

[haughty flicker]

back half of kb always if you only have 1 shiv for any build

[oak eagle]

chat

how tf

do we do single target in bleed build

[drifting cloud]

you dont

[oak eagle]

becaues doin 2m dps on bosses sucks

oh we just dont? thats great

[haughty flicker]

well 2m sounds low

[glad ferry]

lol thinking rogue does ST dmg in M+

brother xd

[haughty flicker]

but yeah you dont do good st

you yell at your tank to pull adds onto boss

[still silo]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[haughty flicker]

omg new pookie video dropped

[glad ferry]

Isnt getting a luck proc prretty bad tho? it makes every trink and shiv kind of out of sync for the rest of the fight no?

[drifting cloud]

what are you cooking

[radiant quarry]

so out of the 6 specs on wowhead, 3 have numbing and 3 have Atrophic. Any reason? Obviously if we have 2 rogues we use 1 each but yeah.

[buoyant herald]

I still feel weird not HAVING to ambush from stealth lol

[glad ferry]

What do you mean

[glad ferry]

Yeah

[jolly stirrup]

I am scared my habit will take over and still ambush oo stealth

🥀

[drifting cloud]

the whole point of the tierset is for you to become a 45/90s cd class, you need to have a 90s cd trinket

[glad ferry]

Yes but if you get a lucky proc, it lowers the cd of your deathmark and KB by 30 and 15 seconds

so it would make the trinket out of sync

that's my point

[buoyant herald]

That only happens once so you just use a 90s

[drifting cloud]

it happening more than once is a bug

[dreamy rover]

Hey guys

so

[buoyant herald]

It doesn’t just take 30s off the 2min cd, it resets it to be 1.30 for the rest of the encounter

[dreamy rover]

We need to shut down the rogue discord.

Grab a few buffs

[sudden brook]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hBSW4rRy1R1Rr4EbgU6yJC Guys we are gaming

[dreamy rover]

How the fuck did a spec cry their way to a buff

ffs

[buoyant herald]

I’d rather be undertuned than debase and embarrass myself like those filthy pink animals

[drifting cloud]

those buffs were already locked in before they did that, if you think otherwise you are a fool

[balmy condor]

they didn't

[sudden brook]

Ret is garbage thats why it got buffed

[glad ferry]

oh wait im dumb

i see

[sudden brook]

Their crying had no impact on it getting buffed or not

[haughty flicker]

me when the bottom 3 specs get buffed like they do literally every tier

[dreamy rover]

Ah thats fair

[haughty flicker]

[sudden brook]

Like yes they are being a little dramatic

But the spec is literal butter bean

Arms/ret are like literal bottom 2, so they got buffed

now fire getting buffed, thats a bis sus amogus

[drifting cloud]

classic clueless blizz balance off old tier set

[limpid hearth]

Classic blizzard fire mage script

[drifting cloud]

also dont forget liquid is playing 2 wws

[sudden brook]

FDK might be the most overhyped DPS of all time

Ofc they got mega nerfed but holy

They seem so average

Compraed to like, rogue/ww in melee

[balmy condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1031593895722745956/1406163200898105475/image.png?ex=68a17708&is=68a02588&hm=4b67bf4d47b0410eaaa1d493d233930ac41615c6be8dafa3233e5b06739480f5&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1032&height=688

[haughty flicker]

rogue so op its sat on 2/4 bosses so far

yes this is a joke

before you akshually me

[drifting cloud]

yeah but forge is rogues worst fight most likely this tier

[sudden brook]

You win this time

[haughty flicker]

yeah 100% forge is giga cursed

[drifting cloud]

and just because hes not in now doesnt mean he wont be on the kill :p

[sudden brook]

I almost fell for it

[balmy condor]

W ragebait

[sudden brook]

Actually w rage bait

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

I can feel the veins popping in my forehead from that one bel

you got me

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

[jolly stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-raccoon-absolute-cinema-gif-17862327649353748812

[ripe sphinx]

my homeboy don’t understand that new seasons out

and i’m not tryna play nothing else

[balmy condor]

tell him to hop onto the most fun queue system known to gaming

the mythic+ group finder

[jolly stirrup]

BRO

I wanted to level my Key yesterday

+2 Prio

I waited FOREVER, had to take what i got

[ripe sphinx]

when i was on outlaw tryna do 12s

[jolly stirrup]

WE SPENT A FUCKING HOUR IN PRIO +2

I died inside

[ripe sphinx]

i’d go 200 declines per invite

like

[astral nymph]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[proper pulsar]

its supposed to sudden demise proc twice when you run double rogue?
i did some keys with another assa rogue friend and his sudden demise always procs more than mine, even with crimson tempest usage even, basically he did 700m on sudden demise and i did only 200m

[runic hinge]

sudden demise doesnt double proc

[proper pulsar]

i figured out

[north charm]

he might be shiving when mobs are low

[balmy condor]

imagine if you could kill a mob twice

that's so op

[wise gull]

im actually having fun doing keys this season

this dungeon pool kinda owns

[astral nymph]

does anyone have a standalone script/mod that changes the color of the mobs name plates for tracking rupture- crimson tempest etc. I am currently using Atroicty plater profile

[wise gull]

also is there a trick to make loot drop can anyone help

[formal pewter]

lookin solid or wat

[balmy condor]

you can take the mod from my plater here

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

yep

[formal pewter]

just started playin rogue at the end of S2 so still learning the breakdowns

thx bud

[wise gull]

keys run this week

684 gloves

[buoyant herald]

Name checks out

[olive pawn]

How does spatter interact with singular focus?

[knotty nebula]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[wise gull]

i've gotten 3 legs

[jolly stirrup]

You get set pieces from Keys also?

I didn't know tbh

[wise gull]

catalyst 2 champion

1 vault 1 raid

gonna be a few weeks before we do mythic and im not gonna use gilded crests on hero pieces so they're effectively the same

just trying to farm for free crest upgrades

[severe jacinth]

do we use chest or shoulder for 4pc?

[balmy condor]

both

neither

doesn't matter

as long as you have 4pc

[haughty flicker]

ty for the new pookie video whispyr

makes me even more sad my guild gave the prism to ww instead of me but we rise anyway

[severe jacinth]

only 3pc then

got it

[onyx saffron]

Two hunters got the one from my raid hoping in vault

[balmy condor]

true actually

[balmy condor]

yw pookie bel

[severe jacinth]

so deathstalker in keys is still the move yea

[haughty flicker]

ye

[balmy condor]

Due to recent behavior from certain members of the Retribution Paladin community—namely, tantrum-throwing, Discord lockdowns, and aggressive buff demands—I’ve decided not to invite Ret Paladins to my Mythic+ keys for the foreseeable future. I’m looking to run clean, focused keys without the drama. Nothing personal.

[severe jacinth]

youve filtered out 50% of key runners

[quartz cloak]

I rarely invite the babycry spec at all

[severe jacinth]

if you exclude bm hunters too it's joever

[amber brook]

Does anyone know how to deal with the miniboss b4 the final boss in atonement? Does wound poison help?

[quartz cloak]

I do that as well 😅

[bitter canyon]

just pump

and hope you have the dmg

[balmy condor]

uwu?

[bitter canyon]

[severe jacinth]

unironically there's a pet bug rn that makes pets specs bricked

[subtle tundra]

whispur is rog bad

ive been away

[radiant quarry]

@balmy condor just double checking, 3 specs on wowhead have numbing and 3 have Atrophic. Does it really matter which or? They were all numbing earlier in the week so i wanted to make sure i wasnt missing anything.

[balmy condor]

numbing in m+, atrophic in raid

[balmy condor]

no

[radiant quarry]

i figured that was the thing but numbing is on the FB ST raid spec

[balmy condor]

I'm staring at atrophic right now

[subtle tundra]

will we get buffed in any of the following 3 weeks

[balmy condor]

no, we're really strong

[subtle tundra]

will we be played on last boss

[subtle tundra]

like 2x

[balmy condor]

where numbing

[humble verge]

HUNTER FUCKING DCED

AFTER FIRST BOSS

WE STILL TIMED

HAVOC AND ASSA BEST SPECS

[balmy condor]

idfk

[radiant quarry]

when i pull up the link from talent build page. I got it though. TY! Just wanted to clear up any confusion i might have had

[balmy condor]

which link

this oen?

[radiant quarry]

yes

[balmy condor]

super whackl

I refreshed the link

see if that works

[radiant quarry]

what you're saying makes sense and is what i figured but that messed me up

fixed ❤️

[lavish wing]

for which bosses is fatebound with cleave viable?

[marsh ferry]

For 2p2p kingsbane at 1min, do I shiv then kingsbane for edge case too?

[humble verge]

i even got an upgrade Cumge

[balmy condor]

viable? probably all of them

[balmy condor]

yes

[marsh ferry]

Cool Ty. I was reviewing your videos just now and I was like “wait this doesn’t matter after 4p”

[bitter canyon]

Is that overall dmg

Just so I know a good benchmark for +10 dps

[humble verge]

yes, overall with 2/3 dps playing

[bitter canyon]

Sheesh

[lavish wing]

ye, didnt word it properly, meant better than ds cleave

[humble verge]

how we timed it

idk

havoc carried me on bosses

[bitter canyon]

Insane player wdym

[ripe sphinx]

how do u make good assassination mogs

[bitter canyon]

all u

[ripe sphinx]

i look like a dork

and a geek

[bitter canyon]

havoc can suck illi’s pp

[humble verge]

nrly, my st on boss was ass at times

[balmy condor]

there's a guide for that my guy

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/manaforge-omega-raid-tips

[bitter canyon]

wdym by ass

[ripe sphinx]

bro the sin guide is so good ngl

it’s so understandable

[bitter canyon]

That varies a lot from person to person

[ripe sphinx]

one day in and i’m pumping man idk

[cursive hatch]

singular focus is hilarious once you get 2pc

also after 11 hours of M+ today, finally got pants to drop. we did it

[humble verge]

like

not as good as his would be

actually nvm

[jolly stirrup]

Damn

[humble verge]

i wasnt THAT far behind him

lmao

[agile geode]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[latent tendon]

Is there a good wa to track only my combo points? or an addon

I used simple combo points before but doesn't look it works now with deeper stratagem

[balmy condor]

you can take combo point trackers out of weakaura packs

!wwa

whoops

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[latent tendon]

Cheers ty!

[balmy condor]

np

[spare kayak]

If you enjoy old school combo points that were tied to your target frame - better blizz plates

Better blizz frames, pardon

[gilded stump]

Morning - is dry shiv still a thing once you get 4 set? Or no longer? As we don't want to waste the consume effect?
I think on wowhead it says don't dry shiv, but was watching a video from whispyr (it was about a month ago though, so might be outdated) which says to dry shiv, so just wondering which is most up to date one on this? Thanks

[balmy condor]

dry shiv is EVEN better due to the 2pc

you buff both lingering darkness and darkest night by 60%

[gilded stump]

Ah OK, so we always dry shiv then (this is when you have both lingering darkness and darkest night up right?)

[balmy condor]

it's a huge buff to dry shivs

yes

[gilded stump]

Awesome thank you

[topaz cedar]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[gilded stump]

I'm guessing dry shiv is for ST only? And aoe is kinda redundant right?

[cursive hatch]

fb sin with 4pc you send 1 shiv into the non DM kingsbane right? just confirming I'm playing this right

[haughty flicker]

yes

just one shiv on solo kb on the last half

[half dawn]

anyone got a specifc plater script for deathstalkers mark? Maybe adding glow or making it more visible?

[balmy condor]

in aoe you're already using shiv for arterial and such, if you get it with a lingering that's great too

[half dawn]

For plater

I should've said

[balmy condor]

my plater recolors the nameplate based on certain conditions, you can steal it

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[half dawn]

I have a plater profile already with colours that I'm happy with, can I only steal the script for Deathjstalker's mark being highlighted

xdd

[balmy condor]

yep

the mod recolors for caustic/fazed/deathstalker's mark

you can just re-color turn off the ones you want/need

[half dawn]

does your profile also have pandemic script?

nvm

its literally in the name of the page on wago

[balmy condor]

it's basically jundies plater

with extra scripts/mod

you can just rip out whatever pieces you deem good

[half dawn]

I'm trying to make sense of Lua

why is lua scripting not split into its own function files

[humble verge]

whispyr, do you think ill finally be able to play on mid graphics 1080p with 7800x3d

[balmy condor]

why can't you now?

[jolly stirrup]

Ok that convinced me, I will transform my HC chest today, if by RARE chance, I get a mythic chest next week from Vault, so what

I lack so much power

[humble verge]

i had 3 fps on Araz on wednesday

and im using quazzi's settings

or w/e his name is

[balmy condor]

you have a virus (elvui) on your pc? or what

[humble verge]

no

elvui wasnt even the issue

it didnt even improve fps

it barely did

[floral thorn]

fps in raid was bad for some people early in the week

[balmy condor]

elvui destroys your 1% lows

[humble verge]

from what i know

dimensius

is gonna be hella bad

[balmy condor]

like actually full fucking wrecks

[humble verge]

yeah but like

i reordered mobo

so now i dont need to wait 2 weeks

[balmy condor]

based

[humble verge]

i did have to chip out 50 more bucks tho

but kinda worth it, because thats what my buddy originally suggested

[fresh kelp]

frames were ok but game was legit freezing on p2 platforms

[humble verge]

😭

[fresh kelp]

took like 2-3 seconds for gcds to go off

then i froze for 5s and died in p3

[half dawn]

hmm DM is not being tracked and neither is CT (maybe CT is by design idk, this is ez fix)

[balmy condor]

the mark is tracked by changing the color of the nameplate, CT is that thin red border

[half dawn]

does this profile also have an interrupt indicator

i.e if your kick comes off cd mid cast

indicating when you can kick

[balmy condor]

yes

that's baseline part of jundies

[cunning needle]

whats causing my shiv to sometimes generate 4cp in aoe?

[radiant saffron]

Hey!
I need some help, i didnt find how to track the amount of my current CT dmg buff with WA, thats even possible ?

[cunning needle]

right im dumb and forgot you need to crit to get the bonus cp

thanks

[true rapids]

for 4p do we just send shiv at the end of kb outside of dm windows?

[radiant saffron]

also with ur crit chance, with seal fate

[balmy condor]

my weakaura has a CT tracker which includes this, remember that the extra damage buff is a snapshot

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

first link

[radiant saffron]

tyy

[distant plinth]

What about if you play the other hero talent? Do you swap to more haste/mastery build or do you just go for full critt as well?

[balmy condor]

deathstalker gets a lot of crit from momentum of despair and darkest night

if you have more crit, you can swap out of momentum of despair

but in general deathstalker's darkest night will devalue crit

[distant plinth]

Yea thats why im wondering about fullt committing fatebound🥶

[balmy condor]

it's not a downside

deathstalker is still mast/crit

[distant plinth]

Yea, ill just keep a mastery/haste ring in bag for both specs

[radiant saffron]

tbh its not like 1/2 ring swap ?

[distant plinth]

Thats what i said

[balmy condor]

yeh that works

[open gulch]

With m+ talnet build, when fighting bosses should I try to stay at over 150 energy except for darkest night proc or should I just dump it all the way down ?

[desert heart]

After putting death stalkers mark do we Fok to use the clear the witness buff even in st?

[radiant saffron]

i like how sin can "dont care" about secondary stats

[balmy condor]

dump

[balmy condor]

on a bleed build yes, in a raid build no

[lofty junco]

so for sin, u go fatebound for anything thats not m+?

[balmy condor]

3 bosses are deathstalker

5 are fatebound

[open gulch]

so its not worth to play around sanguine blades on st with bleed build ?

[balmy condor]

deathstalker in m+

[radiant saffron]

ST like forgeweaver is better with DS (but harder (that's what whispyr said))

[balmy condor]

correct

[open gulch]

thanks

[open gulch]

one more thing, should I pool some energy for deathmark cd on bosses ?

[balmy condor]

definitely not

deathmark drowns you in energy

[warm vortex]

Ye

Tbh now that I’m playing both Assa and BM I guess it’s time to change the name

[balmy condor]

to just

"The Rat"

[warm vortex]

Oh that works

[lofty junco]

question why is DS that much stronger in cleave/m+ then fatebound?

mainly played sub last season since it was rly annoying having tanks chain pull shit in m+

[barren yarrow]

Honest take on our tier. It’s not horrible.

[warm vortex]

It just does more damage, reading through fatebound shows it’s more focused on ST

Like how lucky coin lasts until you leave combat, the aoe enven thing only applying to 2 extra targets, ect

[open gulch]

Isnt it because of Delivered Doom talent ?

[radiant saffron]

mostly for this talent and also DS have Singular focus so more ST if u cleave

[balmy condor]

half of the hero talent is aoe talents, fatebound has no aoe talents, delivered doom nerfs itself in AoE, fate intertwined doesn't cleave off of the main target so it loses caustic value

[lofty junco]

question, if u assume the tank still does only chainpulls, would sin still be better then outlaw/sub for m+?

[lofty junco]

thanks for the clarification

[lofty junco]

thanks

[balmy condor]

yes

[warm vortex]

Chain pulling is fine

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[warm vortex]

If the tank pulls like, 6 more mobs just vanish

If no vanish, just keep Rup and CT up like usual

[lofty junco]

sin was always my favorite specc on rogue ever since they killed combat and old sub back in legion. so it felt like i used shiv on myself when i had to switch to sub since sin felt annoying with the tanks i encountered

[warm vortex]

I do like how shiv feels like a full on dps cd now

Aoe and makes your nature, bleed and DS damage better

[balmy condor]

it's always been the main cd on assa

people just don't realize it

[warm vortex]

Look I’m not the smartest whisper

:(

[barren yarrow]

Shiv is life

[balmy condor]

even historically, shiv has just carried so much weight rotationally, numerically, and interaction wise

vendetta was a 2min cooldown that just increased all your damage

[warm vortex]

Yea fair

[balmy condor]

but shiv was always there

the unsung hero

[warm vortex]

Shiv always has your back

Also isn’t it still a soothe aswell

[barren yarrow]

isn’t shiv learnt in like lvl 15

[balmy condor]

yes it's still a soothe

[barren yarrow]

it’s just always going to be there

[balmy condor]

it's baseline I'm pretty sure

[warm vortex]

Dps cd with an aoe soothe built in

[balmy condor]

you get improved shiv at like level 4

[warm vortex]

Poggies

[balmy condor]

wait no

it's the top of the class tree

[barren yarrow]

yeah shiv like our multi tool lol

[balmy condor]

you get it level 1

[barren yarrow]

oh shit

[balmy condor]

it's baseline when you spec assa

without having to put a point in

[warm vortex]

Feels nice to be Assa again tho

[barren yarrow]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

idk how leveling works to be fair

[barren yarrow]

what feels good is using a second hero talent lol. Fatebound is cracked.

[balmy condor]

true

[warm vortex]

Got 2.1K, either gonna farm pacemaker all day, or try and get 2.1K on my hunter

[knotty vapor]

worst fucking kind of person, imagine wasting your time dming someone to tell them how to play

[haughty flicker]

actually being able to swap hero talent based on the fight is nice

even if deathstalker is still dogshit poopoo stinky tier

and fb is just jingly coins

tier set making fb 90s goes a long way to making it feel different though

[barren yarrow]

lol, jingly coins

I agree bel

[peak karma]

Hey guys, I just started gearing my rogue today. I was wondering if anyone knows of a rough dps estimate for the 2 set and 4 set for deathstalker? Would it be like 10? 20?

[barren yarrow]

the new trinket in EDA is nice and lines up well.

[balmy condor]

12-13 each

[peak karma]

Awesome, thanks

[barren yarrow]

Percent I’m guessing?

[balmy condor]

no just 12-13 dps

[barren yarrow]

oh

[balmy condor]

they're that minor

[barren yarrow]

lol

[peak karma]

Hahaha

[balmy condor]

need to pull out the microscope

[peak bobcat]

[balmy condor]

my math teacher would say 12-13 apples

missing units

smh

[barren yarrow]

I’m on my phone idk how to pull up pins Tyler

[balmy condor]

I gotchu

[barren yarrow]

atleast im not screenshotting my pc screen anymore lol

[barren yarrow]

You da best established

[peak karma]

Oh, you want to CT single target with the m+ build?

[balmy condor]

yuh

[peak karma]

Well damn haha

[barren yarrow]

Oh yeah it’s good

[latent tendon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[harsh ravine]

hi, if I don't have the tierset yet, is bleedbuild the best still for m+ ?

[barren yarrow]

Yes

[jolly stirrup]

Isnt it also still best with tierset?

[balmy condor]

yes

[barren yarrow]

I’d say so

[balmy condor]

it's always the best

[barren yarrow]

we got buffs to our bleeds and it’s good.

[radiant saffron]

@balmy condor im trying to add yours CT buff tracker on my CT tracker but i got this Lua error, u can help me ? i litteraly Ctrl C-V what i dont have on mine (i dont understand anything on WA)

[peak karma]

I'd love to take garrote silence talent for utility in pug groups

[balmy condor]

let me go remind myself what the code is

[balmy condor]

you can

[radiant saffron]

i personaly dont like, to random

[barren yarrow]

Same

[radiant saffron]

but still usefull

[balmy condor]

wait the lua errors aren't mine

[barren yarrow]

very

[balmy condor]

SinC_CT

is the one with lua errors

[barren yarrow]

oh sshhhnap

call the dev team

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

idk what that aura is

I use lisonna's

[jolly stirrup]

Speaking of Tierset, do I go for it ASAP? Or wait until Mythic piece

[barren yarrow]

Just get it asap

[jolly stirrup]

Wer lesen kann...

[jolly stirrup]

Will do

Have HC Tierset available

[barren yarrow]

you’ll be waiting forever if you’re trying to only get mythic tier

[balmy condor]

is klar im vorteil....

[barren yarrow]

Omg yeah HC is fine.

[balmy condor]

bei dir gibts halt eben nur ohrfeigen

[barren yarrow]

I have 2 hero 2 champ pieces lol

[peak karma]

I'm sad that I didn't start gearing my rogue last week because now I have 0 tier pieces and I got nothing from the raid either

[jolly stirrup]

Ohrfeigen von dir? Nehme ich. Gamescom nächstes Jahr dann?

[atomic creek]

I have 2 hero, 1 champ, 1 veteran. Managed to get 4 set before our first guild raid this week

[balmy condor]

wer nicht die pins liest kriegt von mir die ohren lang gezogen

gratis

[jolly stirrup]

Sag mir wann und wo, ich bin da

[balmy condor]

kommt drauf an ob ich im vaterland bin um die zeit, ist etwas unpraktisch

[jolly stirrup]

Does it matter which piece I go for? I have head and chest, I think head is HC 2, chest 1

[atomic creek]

Whatever gets you 4 set fastest

[balmy condor]

blizzcon ist viel näher halt

[barren yarrow]

You’re not pulling my ears mister

[jolly stirrup]

Ye für mich halt ewig weit weg

[barren yarrow]

I read the pins!

[jolly stirrup]

[balmy condor]

selber schuld

[jolly stirrup]

Könnte jetzt fies sein

Lass es aber

[barren yarrow]

ja ja

[jolly stirrup]

Will später noch Hilfe bekommen

[balmy condor]

[barren yarrow]

Mir geht es gut

[balmy condor]

👍

[barren yarrow]

danke, kein Copium

lol

do you have family out there ?

[jolly stirrup]

Most dad thing to do, since you are basically babysitting all of us

[barren yarrow]

lmao

[balmy condor]

my entire family is in germany basically aside from my parents and me

[barren yarrow]

That’s awesome. Same ish for me? My grandfathers side is and we try to go every year

[half dawn]

@balmy condor how can i edit the color code for only Deathstalker's mark target? White is impossible to see against white backgrounds

[balmy condor]

if you go to the mod settings there's color pickers for all of them

[half dawn]

goat

[balmy condor]

mod and then the long options bar

[half dawn]

done ty

[robust jasper]

Can someone explain why lily sims better/is recommended over signet?

[balmy condor]

signet is a 2min

and lily is 1:30

[robust jasper]

yeah isnt that good for assa?

[balmy condor]

fatebound is 1:30 mate

[robust jasper]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[barren yarrow]

Boom

lily is bis

[robust jasper]

so for keys signet is better?

[balmy condor]

realistically probably prism

but yeah lily good

[balmy condor]

for keys you'd want a ritual forge

[haughty flicker]

prism gaming pog

[barren yarrow]

I don’t think I’ll get prism even if I put it in my RCloot note lol 😂

[haughty flicker]

mewo wtf are you doing btw go back to outlaw

[balmy condor]

signet is just like

generic 2 min

[haughty flicker]

i thought better of you

[balmy condor]

it's whatever

[unreal parcel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[robust jasper]

lolol my buddy is assa and hes wondering

[half dawn]

does anyone have Streets WA for the minigame that's good? I had one from shadowlands but it got deleted yday with all my WAs

[jolly stirrup]

Rude, let her breath the superior air

[barren yarrow]

bel are you perma outlaw you insane human

[jolly stirrup]

Him

Whatever

[haughty flicker]

her

[robust jasper]

lol

[balmy condor]

mewo well known femboy

[jolly stirrup]

Sorry

[robust jasper]

facts

[jovial quiver]

LOL

[lethal swallow]

@balmy condor Damn, crit good indeed

[robust jasper]

I be twinkin all over the place

[barren yarrow]

The audacity to check lol

[balmy condor]

imagine the gains once you get tier and a good dagger

[lethal swallow]

now take back everything you said about stats

[balmy condor]

[lethal swallow]

Dagger on reset, and hopefully 4pc too

[barren yarrow]

Nexus king dagger go brrr

[fresh kelp]

my "buddy" is also an assa player, i personally would never

[barren yarrow]

no wait I lied

[balmy condor]

craft dagger go brrr

[haughty flicker]

[barren yarrow]

yeahhhh

I have I have

the cap on crests though meh

[haughty flicker]

imagine having anything else to spend gildeds on

[barren yarrow]

Mmm

Ok

[azure roost]

assa hotfixed? deadge?

[haughty flicker]

deadge

its joever

[barren yarrow]

Gute Nacht allerseits

[azure roost]

[barren yarrow]

✌🏼

[glad shuttle]

Is there a new DS bug? When i ambush i dont get the mark - only if i reambush in subterfuge 🤔 or is it a me problem?

[haughty flicker]

is this some random open world mob

or is it happening in dungeons

[glad shuttle]

currently in delves - doesnt had the change to go into m+ after the server restart today

[azure roost]

actually i noticed that aswell

[haughty flicker]

no idea then, i know some open world mobs are cooked

but i havent had the issue in instances at all

[balmy condor]

if you queue up the ambush too quick after vanishing you might mutilate

some open world stuff sucks yeah

but otherwise no issue

[glad shuttle]

i thought that aswell - but when i open freshly from stealth on a new mob same thing happens (no vanish etc involved)

[balmy condor]

do you actually have ambush on your bar

[glad shuttle]

yes 😄

[balmy condor]

no clue then

haven't had any issue except for those open world rares

[glad shuttle]

yesterday i had no issues thats why im wanted to know if im the only one

[tawdry forum]

do we use mana oil on weapons now or are we useing the attack power items

[balmy condor]

mana oil

[tawdry forum]

because guide says both things

in the overview there are the whetstones

[balmy condor]

hm

[onyx saffron]

Mana oil for st raid and mplus?

[balmy condor]

oh

yeah that should be oil

[marsh fjord]

Can i oil you up baby

[jolly stirrup]

Wait we don't use Whetstones anymore?

[marsh fjord]

its a 0.2% DPS loss if you do

it doesnt really matter

[jolly stirrup]

Ah

[marsh fjord]

But yeah oils are better

[jolly stirrup]

But for GIGA optimization its oil

[marsh fjord]

yeah and we like giga optimization

[fresh kelp]

whetstones are notably like 1/6th the price of oil

[jolly stirrup]

I have bigger issues than a 0.2% loss

[marsh fjord]

Just press the buttons broski

[rocky sierra]

even in aoe or just st?

[marsh fjord]

io dont know how much it is in aoe

[jolly stirrup]

Am learning

Please be patient

[marsh fjord]

Ofcourse. see you at the end of the tier

you better be orange logging by then

[jolly stirrup]

I had my personal best log when we Raided normal on Thursday

[marsh fjord]

Which is?

[jolly stirrup]

Blue 60log overall, 92% ilvl

[marsh fjord]

yeah thats fine bro

[jolly stirrup]

Fraktillus

Was ilvl 680

With set tier and all my stored gear I will be 690

Raid on Monday HC, am excited

[ripe sphinx]

better?

[alpine nebula]

Just watched the fatebound assa video - really well done. I really appreciate having someone creating content for assa in long video form

[wooden mirage]

Could anyone help me with what im doing wrong in my logs. Im clearing 11s but my damage is really low and I know im doing something really wrong I just do not know what

[balmy condor]

no one's longer than me bud

wait

glad you liked it

[balmy condor]

lets see it

[wooden mirage]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JMGxh9qPrm3pYVvw?fight=10&type=damage-done&source=11

My caustic damage is way too low

[jolly stirrup]

[balmy condor]

is there a particular reason why you're rupturing so much

and not consuming your darkest night?

you have a 50% uptime on darkest night lmao

[ripe sphinx]

is that bad

[balmy condor]

yes

[ripe sphinx]

.....

[jolly stirrup]

What's the go to uptime? Little to nothing because when you consume Mark, Mutilate/fok until full cp and "Gib Ihm" no?

[winged sun]

Ofcourse its bad

[ripe sphinx]

how do i fix zeross

[winged sun]

Consume it?

[balmy condor]

considering you want to get rid of your darkest night as soon as possible

and it takes priority over everything else

I think having it up 50% of the time

is pretty bad

[fiery basin]

Hey Stabbers!... Anyone know a "Serrated Bone Spike" stand alone WA? thanks

[winged sun]

As soon as i get DN i either ambush it or consume it asap

[delicate bone]

This man made an almost 4 hour YouTube video on this shit

Go watch it 😄

[winged sun]

I totally dont recommend any of u guys to ambush darkest night because i dont think its easy to tell if its a good gain or not

But it is an option in some scenarios where ur in subterfuge

[balmy condor]

like look at zeross log of also a floodgate

and how thin these lines are

the only thick bars there are downtime between packs

[cunning needle]

when going into a pack with DN up from the previous one and opening from stealth

when do you consume the DN

[balmy condor]

zeross's key was a full 2 min faster but he had 30 more darkest nights

[cunning needle]

like whats the opener there

[balmy condor]

ambush double rup then the DN

then CT

[cunning needle]

DN without caustic?

[balmy condor]

that's what the double rup is for ya dingus

[winged sun]

Well bleed dmg matters but u guys have to work on ur mark dmg too

[cunning needle]

wheres the muti?

[winged sun]

Spatter does good dmg

[balmy condor]

okay mr need every gcd

[winged sun]

As much of a bleed build it may be u have to envenom darkest night

[balmy condor]

ambush GARROTE

RUPTURE

RUPTURE AGAIN

THEN MUT

[cunning needle]

please spell it out for me im a sub monkey

[balmy condor]

THEN FOK TO MAX

[cunning needle]

thank you

[balmy condor]

THEN DN

or you can gar

who cares

it's just generate to dn

point is

DN

[winged sun]

There u go he explained the entire rotation

[balmy condor]

yeh

bleed is incredibly braindead

[cunning needle]

THERES TOO MANY THINGS I NEED TO MAINTAIN HELP I CANT JUGGLE ALL THESE BLEEDS

[balmy condor]

you just spread garrotes instead of fok on pull, get 5-8 ruptures out

DN takes prio over everything

[wooden mirage]

As a formor outlaw main DN is new to me lmao

[balmy condor]

it's like hot potato

[wooden mirage]

I get it now though fs

[winged sun]

Just bleed everything you see

[balmy condor]

you get DN you throw it away

except instead of a hot potato

it's like liquid magma

[cunning needle]

everyone keeps saying that but then i also need to get rid of my DN

[balmy condor]

and if you're sitting on DN

[white pumice]

i am afraid to ask but what does DN stand for

[balmy condor]

your hands should burn

[cunning needle]

[balmy condor]

darkest night

like you should be physically recoiling every time your dn WA triggers

[winged sun]

Get rid of it then its highest prio does whispyr have to say it 10 more times or

[wooden mirage]

So when I get DN instead of finishing putting bleeds on everything get rid of it asap?

[balmy condor]

yes

[white pumice]

instant "several people" are typing '

[fresh kelp]

Whospar should I hold my 2nd shiv of dm in keys for after I vanish refresh my imp garrottes or do I send it insta

[jolly stirrup]

Wait am I a dingus? Can you double rupture out of stealth as well? I thought only double Garrote

I only did double garrote

[balmy condor]

shiv with bleed build is just after CT for the arterial value

[balmy condor]

that's what bone spike does yes

you get 12s of bleed spread from stealth

so you replace all your foks with garrote until everything has garrote

you rupture like 2-4 times depending on how confident you are that your scent stacks will survive

and then you consume DN and CT and go

like there's some packs with tiny shitter mobs that will eat your rupture

which is fine for damage

but you'll lose scent stacks

just send a couple extra ruptures out

to make sure you keep it up

and it doesn't instantly die

consume DN

get CT up

press shiv

20mil dps

[cunning needle]

What if I open with dn

[balmy condor]

then you're dumb

where's the caustic

[winged sun]

Rupture till ur daggers apply poison in subterfuge then ambush (mark will be up alot of ur dmg will be activated), take ur time to bleed everything as fast as possible then insta consume darkest night

[eternal turtle]

consume dn before u ct in opener?

[cunning needle]

Oh yeah right caustic

[winged sun]

Remember serrated bone spike is really important in ur subterfuge windows

U want to get ur cp resets dont just get in subt with no sbs

[urban wren]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[winged sun]

Ur gonna hate ur dps and ask why ur below the tank

[balmy condor]

yes it's the single highest prio in your entire rotation

[wooden mirage]

Alright im slowly getting it thank you guys

[fresh kelp]

@winged sun thought you were quitting this season

[winged sun]

Sin is op and i love gapping noobs

Fuck mages and other classes

[balmy condor]

he is quitting this season

quitting outlaw

[winged sun]

[tawny geyser]

I did a pull in Halls, 24 mil😂
That was so satisfying.

[fresh kelp]

he quit outlaw long ago

[balmy condor]

he knows what a good spec feels like now

[wooden mirage]

Im gonna keep practicing and watch that 3 hour vid of yours to actually know what im doing

[balmy condor]

stay mad

[winged sun]

45m on big momma

In one of my runs

Cant wait to get the 66k agi trinket

[tawny geyser]

No way, jesus😂

[winged sun]

To pump it double the dps

[fresh kelp]

Ya feel like people don’t realize just how op prism is

hope it stays that way until I get mine

[tawny geyser]

Who drops this one again?

[fresh kelp]

Fractilius

[still snow]

Hi, should i use catalyst on heroic item if i already have 1 heroic part?

[balmy condor]

ye

[tawny geyser]

I wasted both mine on Hc pieces, didnt have luck in raid.

[balmy condor]

or you could save cata charge for next season I guess

[winged sun]

or get 4 set day 1 and forget about it

[dapper halo]

apparently if you do delve11, you can buy delve trinkets

[still snow]

But ther will be no season)

[winged sun]

Ngl 4 set feels like it didnt move my dps

Barely

[dapper halo]

are any delve trinkets worth a damn

[winged sun]

Prob only omega huge in raid

[balmy condor]

yeah but if you're holding onto cata charges instead of getting a +20% dps increase then what are you holding for

only explanation is that you're holding for next season

[marsh ferry]

Holding it for wow 2

[still snow]

Im just thinking how to use them in more useful way

[balmy condor]

what's more useful than a 20% dps increase

[golden loom]

was the caustic fix big?

[balmy condor]

it went from 48% to 40%

so whatever your caustic did before

x0.833

[golden loom]

okay good info

👍

[uneven plume]

wait we got shadow nerfed?

smh

[dapper halo]

i keep calling caustic spatter as autistic spatter and i dont know why

[still snow]

Ok thank you for advice)

[cunning needle]

you get 5% interest on charges right? so after 20 weeks you get an extra charge?

[balmy condor]

self-projection perhaps

[balmy condor]

yeah I think that's how that works

you gotta bank charges to get the interest on them

[dapper halo]

its selfprojection yea :3

[balmy condor]

that way you complete the transmog set faster