#assassination

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stark matrix
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didn't feel comfortable with fb enough to do it tonight

balmy condor
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you play fatebound on everything except the 3 aoe fights in the middle tbh

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soulbinder/araz/hunters

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everything else is fatebound by far

hasty aspen
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shall we craft dagger this week?

balmy condor
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yes

night vessel
fading elbow
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Just out of curiosity, do you guys prefer to use mouseover macros for kick or focus target ones? Or maybe both? I'm a hunter main so a bit DENTGE Having a bit of trouble in m+

cunning cloak
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fb on king huh?

balmy condor
haughty flicker
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mouseover kick is psychotic behavior

balmy condor
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mouseover kick is a bit insane yeah

golden loom
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is there any potential of fb on soul hunters

balmy condor
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that's just primetime phiff angle

golden loom
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that fight felt so messy

haughty flicker
stark matrix
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it sucks that fatebound is giga troll in keys, would just try to get comfy with it in keys otherwise but target dummy it is 🙁

hasty aspen
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which emblish is best for m+?

balmy condor
balmy condor
prisma monolithBOT
stark matrix
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all these fights are giga bangers tho

jade abyss
fading elbow
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I see, will give focus a try and see how it goes, ty ty!

golden loom
night vessel
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i just stayed on the one with the most hp, the tank one i suppose and sticked to him

haughty flicker
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that one seems to jump around the least yeah

thorn thorn
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I swear I see you on 24/7 answering questions

sharp sinew
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Whispyr is an ai software

balmy condor
sharp sinew
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like moroes

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so it auto replies

thorn thorn
balmy condor
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how long do you need to nap for it be a sleep

thorn thorn
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6

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Any less and i woukd consider it a nap

static glacier
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I quizzed it yesterday and it consistently

thorn thorn
static glacier
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favoured sub >= OL >> sin

thorn thorn
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Anyway i am proud to announce that after making my lad study wowhead and doing some target dummy shenanigans

static glacier
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i even tried to reafirm that sources outside of whats updated and written by real tcs

stark matrix
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3 is the longest for a nap

static glacier
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and it STILL

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pref'd sub

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lmao

stark matrix
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Like absolute longest

thorn thorn
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He can finally beat my rogue in 5t cleave

That is 50ilvl lower than him

balmy condor
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I'm checking with my phone screen time cause I lay in bed answering discord and then wake up and answer discord

thorn thorn
balmy condor
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so sunday was 5:30 to 11

static glacier
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woke up 8:30

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tried to sleep, cant

balmy condor
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monday was 6:30 to 11

ebon cloud
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
static glacier
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I know your pain man, its fucked

balmy condor
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tuesday was 4 to 10

static glacier
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I have to be losing years of my life always sleeping 6 or lower

balmy condor
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yesterday was 3 to 8

static glacier
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its k blizz got us with this fb tier

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can play it half asleep

haughty flicker
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sleep

balmy condor
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so I guess in the last week I'm averaging like 5.2 ish hours

static glacier
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i cant bel, gonna try and stay and do some keys then carb lunch should put me to sleep, ive eaten like 600 calories the last 24 hrs

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so should crash

dusky vault
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Any tricks to not losing mark during Araz intermissions?

balmy condor
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but I can't go to bed now either, I have work

haughty flicker
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i miss sleep

thorn thorn
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Now the question is how do I drill it into his head to stop spamming CT in aoe and actually use spatter garf_sit

balmy condor
haughty flicker
ebon cloud
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
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it's not like you're doing anything during the intermission anyway

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who cares if you lose it for like 15 seconds

dusky vault
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yeah thats fair, i inted it on the kill 🙁

static glacier
thorn thorn
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Bro i made him spend 2 minutes on a the cleave dummies and spatter was 10%

static glacier
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speaking of aoe had a funny situation come up in raid for me and the other rogue

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we'd just killed a st boss, stuck in fb st

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and we had trash to do, we did completely different rotations and had the same dps

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I spread a lot of ruptures on all the mobs for IB value then spammed some envs, he just spammed env for PB procs instead

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lowkey I love having 3x sbs and mobs come up and they get rup > rup > rup > back to boss

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feelsbad that im not getting coin flips on all the rups but it was normal trash so it didnt live long enough

raw marlin
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save me bro.. 680 shaman overall in priory

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dense cedar
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were they like

raw marlin
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they could of been dead and i woudnt of noticed

dense cedar
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a room behind?

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every pull?

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no damage done or taken

raw marlin
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the highest ST i ever saw was 700k lol

dense cedar
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soudns like they were afking behind

static glacier
raw marlin
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nope they were ther elol

raw marlin
static glacier
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unironically that might be 1 button

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player

raw marlin
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i think 1br does more?

thorn thorn
static glacier
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since ele actually does tank dam outside of cds

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and the 1 button wont use cds

raw marlin
thorn thorn
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Idk why but these random ele players are like allergic to using ascendence

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And the spec does legit zero damage outside of it

raw marlin
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i have no idea on damage breakdown

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lol

dense cedar
static glacier
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look at hits vs casts

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a lot of overloads that hit real hard indicate ascendance

raw marlin
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in details A = how many can be done

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and R = how many he did

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right?

static glacier
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you could check buffs too

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check buff uptime

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compare key length

thorn thorn
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Show auras

raw marlin
static glacier
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and we can see how many casts he lost

raw marlin
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bro could of done 19 and did 0?

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or what

thorn thorn
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Oh

static glacier
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0

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LMAO

thorn thorn
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So he was pressing jt

static glacier
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i was right

thorn thorn
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He was just shit

static glacier
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it can proc

thorn thorn
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Or rather

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Yea procs

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Incredible

static glacier
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esp with 2pc

thorn thorn
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Zero fucking casts

raw marlin
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wtf does A and R mean?

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thorn thorn
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19 procs

static glacier
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you can end up chaining a lot of procs

thorn thorn
raw marlin
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how are they even having fun

dense cedar
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a is applications

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r is refreshes

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iirc

heady oak
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Is lily going to be the best on use trinket if we're playing fatebound with 4pc?

thorn thorn
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I desperately want to see it

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3.5 minutes of ascendance uptime seems to imply they were pressing it

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But

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Idk

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Ele isnt hard idk how they are doing shit dracthyr_lulmao

haughty flicker
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is this version of ele lightning spam or meatball spam

static glacier
haughty flicker
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wtf

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f

static glacier
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in aoe

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in st meatballs still big

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ngl if i was a sham main id quit it til they make enh playable

raw marlin
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i didnt think i needed to log a +2

static glacier
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enh is like 100x as fun as ele on my alt that I played last season

haughty flicker
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my guilds enhance has not been very happy recently

static glacier
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ye its rough for em atm

raw marlin
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!stats

prisma monolithBOT
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
  • Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
static glacier
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tierset busted, overnerfed and ele got like 25% aura

raw marlin
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why does this trinket look so good yet sim like dog shit what does that yogg even do, id assume it would fuck shit up

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thorn thorn
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Sub 2m overall as sin

static glacier
balmy condor
thorn thorn
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Lost to a shadow priest in ara kara

static glacier
thorn thorn
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The sad part was we timed it with like 3 seconds left to spare

static glacier
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losing to spriest in anything but like 15 mob mass aoe is illegal

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that and st

raw marlin
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i mean i play my rogue like complete dog shit atm

thorn thorn
raw marlin
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its like i forgot how to hit keys

thorn thorn
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Yea idk

static glacier
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how

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is rupture above ct

thorn thorn
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I beat him on every pull except 1

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And that one was when the target count was so high i literally could not dot everything

static glacier
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with that much rup id expect more sanguine blades dmg

thorn thorn
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And even then i was still close to him

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Its a +2 so its garf_sit

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But it was a lil cursed

static glacier
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lowkey

thorn thorn
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We timed it tho so its whateves

static glacier
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you could try IB

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for any future 2s

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might be better than spatter

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seeing your name and all

thorn thorn
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Perhaps

raw marlin
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why make trinkets with no base stats hate that shit

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thorn thorn
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I got what i expected from WME

static glacier
thorn thorn
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I just didnt want some brain drooler from certain realms giving him a hard time cuz he has never played an mmo before

static glacier
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lmao

amber brook
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Do we swap out tier set the moment we get 2?

static glacier
thorn thorn
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So i just settled for wme since they tend to be judge free

amber brook
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ah shit

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i just saw the red pin

static glacier
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its np man

amber brook
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couldnt find it in wowhead so i wondered where the info could be

thorn thorn
dense cedar
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if u don't read the pins

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u go to hell

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so sad

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rip non pin readers

amber brook
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I do man just failed to see red

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feels bad

static glacier
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you can use pins, faqs, summarised guides and videos and people still wont read / watch

solar ruin
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hello completly new to rogue idk shit about everything what spec is the funiest to play in m+ ?

static glacier
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thats kinda down to your tastes

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imo for me its outlaw => sin >>> sub for fun

subtle field
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!macro

prisma monolithBOT
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With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

solar ruin
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ok is outlow rng depedent or naot at all ?

subtle field
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Why do we Macro CB with KB? does the lost uptime not matter?

red schooner
plush isle
subtle field
velvet vault
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have a question
why when you put your deathstalker mark on collectors
on forgewaver Araz
and destroy them
your mark disapears?

red schooner
solar ruin
balmy condor
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you always have it macro'd idk what valko's talking about

subtle field
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CB cd is 45 and KB 60

balmy condor
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yeah but without tier, you need CB for the edge case on deathmark

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so you're not getting anything out of it

subtle field
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Alright ty

balmy condor
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with 2 piece you're getting CB on every edge case

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with 4 piece it's 45/45 on CB/KB

cursive sparrow
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
plush isle
jolly stirrup
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Do i rip apart my old Gear set for higher GS Gear?

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or not

balmy condor
balmy condor
inland dirge
jolly stirrup
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okidoki

acoustic sail
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should i change new 2set with old 4 set or wait

azure roost
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do we have aoe buffs

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uh i mean aoe%

balmy condor
hearty seal
unkempt pilot
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i can't find why we vanish before the cold blood / envenom, is there a hidden meaning ?

balmy condor
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double jeopardy

knotty dome
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is 2p - 2p better than old 4 piece ?

unkempt pilot
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i missed this indeed, thanks

balmy condor
knotty dome
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Equip equip equip

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got it

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xD

azure roost
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if i have new 2p and no old tier set, do i equip?

short tangle
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it seems bold anc capitalize isnt visible enought

balmy condor
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that's gotta be a troll

drifting cedar
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Guys I think I've missed it here, but what's the best way to handle pylons and the loss of deathstalker mark on 4th boss?

normal mist
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That's absolutely troll lol

red schooner
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We're now splitting the first 3 bosses of hc HOLY

hearty seal
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!up

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
willow wing
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!macro

prisma monolithBOT
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With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

broken lion
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why dont we use fatebound for most of the raid?

balmy condor
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we do

broken lion
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oh

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was confused

hearty reef
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why dont we use bleed build for most of the raid?

pulsar ice
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everything can be used on any boss if you are brave enough

drifting cedar
balmy condor
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sorry, I meant to say it's a great business partner to wowhead.com and we greatly appreciate their insight on all things logs, they're simply the best!!!!!!

hearty reef
peak leaf
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At what ilvl should we replace the delve belt?

balmy condor
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710ish when it sims higher

shy dragon
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710 isch

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whispyr fast as fuck boi

night vessel
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answering the same variety of 10 questions all day

broken lion
balmy condor
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yes

night vessel
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oh and something i found out yesterday. usage of the cloak on portals as in demensius before pull does not break stealth which is huge

balmy condor
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oh did they hotfix that

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I mean shouldn't really matter much, it's a fatebound fight anyway

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but good for the ds players I guess

formal harness
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ye, worked for me aswell yesterday

night vessel
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played it as DS yesterday

balmy condor
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nice

strange onyx
balmy condor
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delete itself

rotund oak
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Ok the game loves me this tier,got 4 loots from ulduar and a heroic wpn from the cache

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can now craft a 720 wpn and upgrade pacemaker

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basicly done for the tier

broken lion
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ty whisp

balmy condor
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archon's primary issue is that it exists, that's literally it

quiet oar
balmy condor
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the premise that you can simply take the logs and distill them down into one chart of 60% this 30% that

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is just insanely flawed

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and gives no context for why any decision is being made

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in a world where people are thinking less and less and just copy pasting, archon can actually just create harmful feedback loops

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day 1 of raid no one has fatebound tier, fatebound is rng, people don't wanna play rng fatebound or aren't sure if it's going to be better

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we figure out that it's better

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but it's too late

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archon's populated and people played deathstalker

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so people look it up

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and go "people played deathstalker, so I will too"

quiet oar
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Simply because they see its most played and they copy

balmy condor
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it's legit just slowing down the spread of information

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and that's not even mentioning the whole "most popular = best" thing that they're trying to toe the line on VERY CAREFULLY

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because popular does not equal best

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but archon REAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYYY wants things to say best

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they would love nothing more than to be able to slap a "best" sticker on everything

quiet oar
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BIS

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BIS TALENTS

regal ocean
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Tell em, whispyr!

balmy condor
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"best" is something guide pages and shit have to put into their headers

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cause that's what google picks up

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in the early versions of archon, all their headers tapped into that same desire, for good reason

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it gives clicks

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and clicks is money

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but the page is inherently not a "best"

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it is a popularity chart

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and so they're like tiptoeing around the whole thing

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"most recommended"

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and SEO is hard, I get it

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but the entire vision of the tool is built around just scraping the data and basically spitting this back out, which is already on logs

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and then slapping a ton of google terms onto it and hoping people click it

slim jetty
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Hi guys, i am new to assa.
Quick question:
Why do i use Multilate after the Vanish? Why not Ambush?

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balmy condor
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the short of it is that your buddy can't fix it

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it's not your buddy's fault

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nor anyone on the team

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it's just inherently built on a tower of deceit

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if you want to give your buddy something he can fix though

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tell him he can get in touch with someone

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to fix this shit where crafted daggers are bis in both hands

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when they are obviously not

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but it's early in season so like yeah of course crafted daggers are going to be omega stupid popular

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but you see this

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and what do you see

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you see double bis daggers

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holy shit

bronze pike
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I forget

balmy condor
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need to craft 2 daggers

idle fossil
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House of Cards is BiS this season, got it

bronze pike
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Is archon the one doing ai and plagiarism

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Or was it ma roll?

balmy condor
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maxroll is the ai plagiarism slop

fresh kelp
balmy condor
bronze pike
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Like fuck man it’s hard to keep track of all these shit sites

strange onyx
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Thanks for the feedback, I will reach out to him. Keep up the good stabbing 🙏🏻

marsh fjord
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@balmy condor do you think this is normal? a 701 hero track belt replacing belt in sims

bronze pike
balmy condor
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cause that sim looks bugged to shit on your belt power

marsh fjord
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Electric power

golden loom
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critical chain or electric current or throw it in the bin

marsh fjord
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Electric current

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i mean

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sorry

strange onyx
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@balmy condor 🙂

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static shore
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!plater

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
balmy condor
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but maybe they'll listen to you

marsh fjord
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@balmy condor so what you thinking. don't follow that sim?

balmy condor
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wrong replay

balmy condor
marsh fjord
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Crit chain indeed sims more

strange onyx
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I am me, they always listen to the Skoop. Let’s make it a better world, one ai slop website at a time

balmy condor
balmy condor
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if I have to see one more person ask if the 20% tier set bonus is worth equipping I might lose it

marsh fjord
bronze pike
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Atleast your tierset is 20% :(

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No but fr

strange onyx
slim garden
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Is 2 set 2 set good ?

sharp sinew
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Hey can i ask is the 2 set good?

balmy condor
golden loom
bronze pike
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It’s hard to make websites like archon or murlokio of that weird third one I forget the name off

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Better

golden loom
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2 set is thanos just fkin get it fellas

bronze pike
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It’s just inheritedly flawed

balmy condor
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AT LEAST

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like

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the bare minimum

bronze pike
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The bare minimum

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Ya

grim jay
bronze pike
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Gg

sharp sinew
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I have 1 set is that good?

balmy condor
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murlok just pulls from armory, insane work on their part

bronze pike
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And it’s only doing that cause xeph

balmy condor
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pins

fathom flax
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just gonna delete that

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ty

balmy condor
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bit extreme

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but yw

mild spoke
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hello, at what ilvl should I change the delv belt?

balmy condor
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710ish

tall jay
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I feel like we are Trying too give whispyr a aneurysm

balmy condor
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maybe I put that in the pin too I guess

fathom flax
tall jay
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True that homie

green pier
red schooner
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Have we been slowmoded yet?

tall jay
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We all should just send the man a case or two of his favorite water

balmy condor
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no but I'm gonna go to bed soon

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and in the apparently 5.2 hours of average sleep I get

sharp sinew
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Going to sleep at 6 is mad

balmy condor
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I do not want to know what horrors occur in here

red schooner
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I'll catch you up on the lore

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DW

balmy condor
spice surge
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Probably more asking about if they should equip tier and what stats to put on cloak

sharp sinew
tall jay
balmy condor
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yeah see

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but then they tell me I don't sleep

red schooner
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!upgrade

winged sun
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Holy fuck i slept for 12 hrs

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Man

red schooner
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Shit

winged sun
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Im ready to pump for 2 days straight now

red schooner
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Either moroes died or I typed the command wrong

balmy condor
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!up

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
red schooner
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Shit

winged sun
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Up the movie

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Dont forget

balmy condor
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yeah with the old guy and the talking dog

winged sun
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cuh ye

balmy condor
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good movie

bronze pike
balmy condor
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up there with cars 3

bronze pike
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Are we in the same timezone?

grim jay
bronze pike
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Cause it’s 3:23

balmy condor
sharp sinew
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Nah not same time he is in your walls

bronze pike
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All I know is that your na and I’m na

tall jay
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Aren’t you guys like neighbors or something like the same state

winged sun
bronze pike
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I didn’t know we were in the same timezone (bis Nevada timezone)

balmy condor
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dude even wren knows

bronze pike
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HUH?

balmy condor
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diabolical work

bronze pike
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I honest to god

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Don’t remember

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Ever discussing this

balmy condor
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I'm in the bay area

sharp sinew
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Amnesia setting in

bronze pike
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I know there’s a paladin mod who lives in my area he visited me when I was working

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And I made him a sandwich on the house

balmy condor
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sorry to hear that

bronze pike
bronze pike
balmy condor
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paladin mod

bronze pike
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He is very cool dude

balmy condor
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pink class

bronze pike
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He was chill af

subtle field
bronze pike
sharp sinew
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Zoomer class

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Bet he designed ret

balmy condor
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ret ricky himself

bronze pike
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Nah but for real I forgot u lived in Bay Area

sharp sinew
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Good ole john retribution

bronze pike
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I thought

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U lived in the middle of the country

sharp sinew
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Its not revenge, its retribution

bronze pike
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Like most of my online friends

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Or like

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In new jersey

balmy condor
red schooner
bronze pike
red schooner
bronze pike
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It’s like this cause of some diabolical leaks

sharp sinew
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Oh damm legion private server just released nighthold

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Huge

bronze pike
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Or is there a solution in the mix?

peak bobcat
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when do we vanish as fatebound if we dont have improved garrote

balmy condor
balmy condor
bronze pike
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Still

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Kk gn

peak bobcat
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oh i see double jeopardy

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i was just curious wtf we were gaining from doing it

bronze pike
#

My medicine isn’t making me insomniac anymore

sage wagon
#

We use deadly in bleed build?

balmy condor
#

what's the alternative

rotund oak
#

Idk u got any better 😛

grim jay
#

wound poison on bleed build?

#

new tech?

rotund oak
#

its a thing but we aint pvping

spice surge
#

Me playing wound poison then coming into this discord asking if spatter is bugged since its not working

rotund oak
grim jay
#

based

balmy condor
#

based on what

rotund oak
#

pythagoras theorem

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u know

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a^2+b^2=x^2

balmy condor
runic hinge
#

Ayo I ain’t here to do math

rotund oak
#

thats geometry actually but ye the actual algebrical expression is math ig

bold lintel
#

Sorry if it was covered but does tier set force us to play kingsbane in M+ once we get it?

rotund oak
#

i wana say pins

#

but ill just type

#

!guide

prisma monolithBOT
rotund oak
#

wowhead

#

good one

bold lintel
#

ill use a pin thank you

rotund oak
#

cheers

grim jay
#

so why would anything about the tier force kb

desert heart
#

anyone can link the whispyr plater?

peak bobcat
rotund oak
peak bobcat
prisma monolithBOT
bold lintel
rotund oak
grim jay
rotund oak
#

😂

muted ridge
#

is it huge loss taking Iron Wire in place of MA?

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bleed build

#

dmg wise

rotund oak
#

sim it but dont think so no

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shouldnt be killing ur dmg

sharp trellis
#

that really a shame that in order to play iron wire we need to sacrifice one kriss ....

rotund oak
#

it might actually be a significant loss btw

#

just so u know

dry ore
#

anyone is getting bugs from causes WA ? TWW DUNGEONS S3*

rotund oak
#

but not like

#

world ending

rotund oak
dry ore
rotund oak
#

im going basic now with little wigs

dry ore
#

same

sullen topaz
#

do we as assa sim dungeonslice for m+?

rotund oak
#

yes we do

fathom flax
#

are the tanks meant to pull the adds to the conduits or something im confused how this intermission works

#

it seems different to the videos i watched

balmy condor
#

yes

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the adds have to stand between the conduits and the center

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to block the beam

#

the conduits will try and zap the center

raw marlin
#

who do i shove this on? surely this is better than my last season pacemaker?

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balmy condor
#

and that shit hurts hella

balmy condor
modern birch
#

do H loomithar adds affect fatebound ST while theyre immune?

balmy condor
#

yes

buoyant herald
#

lol soulbinder fuckery lets you pad SO hard 😂

#

caustic spatter 38% of my damage ggs

maiden bear
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
neon shore
#

Hey how can i get rid of Tracking Poisons and bone spike on my name plate? i already list those on Buff Tracking Black list in plater but didnt work !

balmy condor
#

did you add them to buff tracking blacklist

round holly
#

!fok

prisma monolithBOT
#

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

  • Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
    Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
  • Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
    Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
  • Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

balmy condor
#

or DEBUFF tracking blacklist

#

cause those are debuffs

neon shore
neon shore
balmy condor
#

wrong spell id

fathom flax
balmy condor
#

np

balmy crater
#

sorry if this was mentioned elsewhere but on M+ bleed build, do we crimson tempest in single target or still 2 and above?

nova aspen
#

in all target counts u CT yes

balmy crater
#

Okay sweet, ty

sinful imp
#

with 2 set, do we change the way we use shiv? compared to old set with bleed build?

spice surge
#

Nop

real pike
nova aspen
#

with deathstalker its never pad

#

its funnel

lavish geyser
#

for aoe, is improved garrote the main combo point generator?

balmy condor
#

yeah until all the relevant stuff has it

umbral cypress
#

!LOOT

prisma monolithBOT
lavish geyser
raw marlin
#

this is nice

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#

basically done for the season

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nova aspen
#

nice

#

i did 3 eco's in a row last night, and saw lily drop all 3 times

raw marlin
#

i had to use soleah for a whole 1 dungeon

nova aspen
#

but not into my bags

raw marlin
#

and its shit lol

nova aspen
severe warren
#

Hey guys! new in assasination. I don't have an energy problem on AoE but on Bosses after some time I'm just waiting to restore it

raw marlin
#

i have done eco once and dawn once

raw marlin
#

!energy

prisma monolithBOT
#

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

zenith elm
#

Hello guys, how is it going for you?

#

any gamer moments already?

shy dragon
#

I shadowstepped off the cliffs in ara twice, so that was fun

balmy condor
#

my heart exploded for a couple minutes

ebon cloud
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
#

cause I thought I pushed the publish button on a news article that's under NDA

#

but it's all good

grim jay
balmy condor
#

we did not lose our job

zenith elm
#

i need my white monster

#

(cause i dont have one in my pants

#

à

grim jay
wicked valve
raw marlin
balmy condor
#

:)

raw marlin
#

WHAT DO THE NUMBERS MEAN

#

weirdly i signed an NDA today

#

i think i sign about 500 a year at this point because of my job lol

balmy condor
#

we don't do nearly that many

#

that sounds like hell

raw marlin
#

its law firms and lawyers

#

so sometimes the NDA is simple like.. you need to see our books dont tell noone

#

so its very hard to 'fuck' up accidentally

open marlin
#

just coming back to sin, is it worth bothering with the DISC belt? (mostly keys)

balmy condor
#

until you get a max hero belt or a low myth belt yea

proven panther
#

Which talents should i play WHEN

crystal oxide
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
red schooner
prisma monolithBOT
red schooner
#

Wowhead has it

thorny swift
#

Do we craft bracers? or Dagger?

red schooner
#

Craft a cloak, disregard borrowed power systems. garf

radiant raven
frigid pilot
#

Fate bound whole raid ama

proven panther
#

But wowhead dont really tell me when i should play bleed and when i should play Kingsbane with poisen bomb

red schooner
#

Just. Always bleed. Don't not bleed.

open marlin
#

release your inner emo?

red schooner
round cypress
#

Didn't see any message in that way but is it better to go for 2P - 2P or hold until 4 new ?

red schooner
#

I TOLD YOU IT WASN'T JUST A PHASE

red schooner
round cypress
red schooner
sly spoke
#

im scared of sin nerfs boys send help

ivory ice
#

!macro

prisma monolithBOT
#

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

west crown
balmy condor
#

People can’t really seem to agree

#

I had to answer “is sin bad” like a dozen times today

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But you get sprinkles of “sin too op”

hazy horizon
#

ur plater puts grey healthbar to the enemy who has deathstalker mark right ? i need to change it to green or something where do i look ? 😛

balmy condor
#

It’s like finding an onion ring in your fries

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There’s a mod that controls all that

terse reef
#

Not sure if we can rely on Sims yet but what's ur thoughts on ara-kara trinket vs. empowering crystal of anub'ikkaj. Same ilvl

pulsar gulch
#

For spreading rupture if you apply rupture on a target in the 6 second window do you have to switch targets to apply to multiple, i found it spreads to 3 then i need to reapply to get to 5, or is it smart to pick 2 more in range without rupture?

balmy condor
#

You just change the color there

balmy condor
balmy condor
pulsar gulch
#

Thank you

proven panther
#

Which plater do we use for the deathmarks?

balmy condor
#

!plater

prisma monolithBOT
proven panther
#

Which if those two platees ? garf

balmy condor
#

Mines the bottom one, cev’s is the top one

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Idk if cev updated his

pulsar gulch
#

I use jundies one currently i might try whispyrs as a mod of that

balmy condor
#

Yeah mines just jundies with some extra stuff to track deathstalker and caustic

pulsar gulch
#

Im finding tracking and maintaining ruptures in m+ something i need to focus on so may adjust bar colours to show something if rupture on targets, new to assassin this season so focusing on how to get better. I dunno if you kinda natively get used to dotting up quickly etc

sick garnet
#

!gear

prisma monolithBOT
jagged wind
#

I take i use the 1sec cast idol before DM in single but do I use shiv before or after the trinket?

balmy condor
brave comet
#

HOW DO I VOTE TO END A KEY IN M+

frank trench
#

I am going to try macroing every single one of my abilities except rupture to a focus if focus exists so I can slam rotation in primary target and then just tab rupture then shift the set focus to target focus after all spreading just to maximize garrote and rupture spread

brave comet
#

this SUCKS

#

how do i vote to end a key someone save me

#

this is the worst UNREDEEMABLE group ive ever been in

pulsar gulch
red schooner
brave comet
#

how do i end it

frank trench
#

I never looked does scent immediately end or does it have a timer

woven hazel
brave comet
#

so theres no vote to end anymore?

woven hazel
#

it has not been implemented yet.

#

Their patch notes referring to the vote system for this patch said it would be added into PTR at a later date

#

unless there's suddenly a new UI I didn't see during my feverish M+ spam

zenith elm
dawn kelp
#

Do you actually need to track ur coins or do u just yolo it through the rotation

brave comet
#

can shamans and druids dispell the circle aoe in halls of atonement?

#

what spell?

quiet oar
#

Its a magic debuff

woven hazel
#

Nature's Cure and Purify Spirit.

#

Both cleanse magic.

quiet oar
#

So only Healers, Warlock Imp und Mass Dispell

#

Nah its not a curse anymore

woven hazel
#

It doesn't have to be a curse.

#

Those dispels hit magic debuffs.

quiet oar
#

But thats healer only

#

Every Healer can dispell Magic

timid widget
#

how much dmg % does our 2 set and 4 set add

woven hazel
broken chasm
#

Does the new 4-set change the rotation? Should I be using Shiv on cooldown?

grim jay
quiet oar
prisma monolithBOT
brave comet
quiet oar
#

No

#

Just Healer dispell

#

Warlock and Mass Dispell are cool

#

But not Mandatory

zenith prairie
#

are m+ trinkets different than raid?

#

Im assuming its still antenna and the araz one

zenith elm
#

quick question

nova aspen
zenith elm
#

why dont i see the ring from our bis list in wowhead

rapid sandal
#

!stats

prisma monolithBOT
#

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
  • Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
zenith elm
#

i cant find ring of the panoply in raid journal

spring briar
#

!macro

prisma monolithBOT
#

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

wide atlas
#

hi guys

red schooner
#

Aloha

wide atlas
#

is much to ask to help me read my logs and see what I'm doing wrong? I'm the last dps of my raid

red schooner
#

I may not be of much use now, mostly due to being at work on my phone, but send the log in here and someone can have a look!

wide atlas
#

thanks!!

red schooner
#

Quake was just waiting for that.

humble verge
#

ah yes, i love my UI just going " "

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lavish geyser
#

how does the shiv combopoints work? like sometimes I fill my bar up, and sometimes I only get 1 cp. Is it dependant on something=?

winged quail
#

losing my mind trying to farm a 1:30 trinket before raid praying prism drops and i get it i guess

humble verge
#

PauseChamp

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winged quail
#

same as fan of knives

lavish geyser
#

so its not something you should depend on then

winged quail
#

nah

spice spire
lavish geyser
#

is there any specific gear that is worth farming atm? for m+

red schooner
spice spire
#

Nah just lucky timing when I was taking a shit lmao

nova aspen
prisma monolithBOT
late surge
#

!tricks

prisma monolithBOT
#

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
dense cedar
#

Looking close to the zero tier w1 dead

thick juniper
#

!up

prisma monolithBOT
rotund oak
#

Need a good advice on how to remain zen when tanks doin' stupidsht in keys

#

did 2 keys and i wanna kill someone

somber sparrow
#

any chickens need culling in your area?

#

for food

rotund oak
#

yo ive got 3 but those are my brothers

burnt star
#

this season is really aweful on deathstalker mark

rotund oak
#

kekw

burnt star
#

street theater..

rotund oak
#

..

burnt star
#

cant stealth

#

and they dont die

#

they run away

#

have fun!

somber sparrow
#

look up rage rooms, they'll help you

rotund oak
#

play sub then

#

better than play FB and do less than tank dmg

burnt star
#

that is not an answer... when u cant even have an hero talent

nova kelp
burnt star
#

there is sdomething wrong

#

they need a new way to put dsm.. weve been asking for this forever

rotund oak
#

holymoly im pissed

stable sinew
#

Sub is way stronger in that dungeon but you have to like prep your DSM on that fight

rotund oak
#

some tanks rly wanna deplete my keys

rotund oak
#

u srs bro

#

trickster is the sub tech

stable sinew
#

Re read it

#

Bub

nova kelp
#

what dungeon?

rotund oak
#

ah nvm

stable sinew
#

😘

#

Streets

nova kelp
#

subs better in streets you reckon?

stable sinew
#

Yes

nova kelp
#

what's the thinking, why so?

rotund oak
#

my brain hurts,gonna eat some watermelon idk,will catch up laters

stable sinew
#

Not much funnel for bosses yes obviously there’s some you can funnel

#

Then there’s a whole boss encounter that screws over your Mark

nova kelp
#

hmmm

#

I'll give it a run and see

#

I tend to just hard run bleed across the board

fickle mural
#

Hi, I'm a new assa player and need a little help. Is there anyone German here, since my English isn't that great.

nova kelp
#

almost guaranteed you got some peeps around who speak german

stable sinew
#

Bleeds still fine you just feel the weakness of ST in that dungeon

dry ore
#

how good is this ? PSF 11

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burnt star
#

bleed st is not as weak as u think

dry ore
stable sinew
#

Pure ST is pretty weak

sly spoke
#

lets all pray for no assa nerfs yes

surreal vale
burnt star
#

there are worse contender then us

#

no reason to nerf

stable sinew
#

That doesn’t mean its not weak lol

spice surge
#

I mean sure pure ST is ass

sly spoke
#

idk bruh im just log farming every key im not used to not feeling like absolute shit

spice surge
#

But if you have funnel

#

Youre doing top

rotund oak
#

should see how dks and locks do

stable sinew
#

Well yes that’s how a funnel class works guys

rotund oak
#

evne with funnel

#

locks should win

nova kelp
#

I mean

spice surge
#

Ofc but most classes dont literally double their damage with funnel

#

They get like 30% more damage

rotund oak
#

yup true

#

think that 30% is like

#

is on the ''too much side''

#

prolly its less

#

more like locks being omegastrong

#

seen an aff lock

#

couldnt believe the dmg he was doing

#

floodgate with the adds

#

unreal

elder gulch
#

is it normal AoE blind doesnt do anything to the orbs in m+?

grave pelican
#

boys, trickster kir . we're playing with 2pc new tier set or with 4pc old tier set?

spice surge
#

It only does anything if you target a non-orb mob Surebud

#

Bug thats been in all expac

elder gulch
#

okay so i target a random mob near a clump and it'll get a lot of them?

spice surge
#

Ye it will cleave everything in range of the mob

grave pelican
#

boys, trickster kir . we're playing with 2pc new tier set or with 4pc old tier set?

hearty reef
#

bruh this cap so fake

#

omg

deep gyro
jaunty sky
lavish geyser
#

is there a set opener for assa, in keys for high target count pulls? I kinda just get my stuff up, but i do it pretty slow compared to some of these streamers

prime quail
#

!gear

prisma monolithBOT
gritty laurel
#

the wowhead guide has detailed breakdowns of openers and rotational priority

#

beyond that, just practice and knowing your tank's pull pattern. if you're pugging and have a different tank every key, you're basically never gonna pull streamer numbers

lavish geyser
hazy horizon
#

when u ct st u do 5 combo+ like envenom ?

normal mist
#

yes

prime quail
#

if i dont mythic raid is crafting a weapon my best bet?

normal mist
#

of course

#

even if you did raid

gritty laurel
#

for reference, going from 684 MH from last season to 720 crafted this season is ~10% on a quick single target sim. massive ugprade

rain sleet
#

What item do I craft first. I typically go weapon however it looks like we get Mythic weapon earlier in the raid this tier.

halcyon saddle
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
rich quest
#

is there any way to sim value of shadowmeld as assa?

tawny rapids
#

Maybe crafting today, is there any any stats that will be good for Sin FB/DS and Sub?

deep gyro
#

Fb likes crit i think

#

I just did it crit master

limpid sky
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
quaint sequoia
#

Why isn't Screams of a Forgotten Sky on the trinket list on wowhead? is it shit?

spice surge
#

It got buffed by like 150% right after release, so now its just quite mid

silk sundial
#

Anyone else get massive fps drops on forgeweaver and soulbinder in raid when the adds spawn?

normal mist
normal mist
ancient rain
#

I have it at 691 and it's doing 4-5% in raid. I guess it's ok

#

Probably will do less when I get 4set and better gear

lavish geyser
#

during the subterfuge window in my opener in m+ do I wanna use that time to refresh bleeds or just slam envenoms?

golden folio
#

How should I sim assa for M+? Dungeon slice?

normal mist
#

yes

distant egret
#

Is there a slot this season that we dont want it to be tier set? Or we will use all 5 slots as tier set?

normal mist
#

get 4

magic nebula
#

anyone has a rotation guide for 11.2 that's solid

normal mist
#

whatever 4 there are

normal mist
prisma monolithBOT
magic nebula
#

othre than this lol

normal mist
#

lol

normal mist
#

somewhere there

magic nebula
#

legend

#

thanks !

normal mist
#

spoiler, its the same guide writer

crude seal
normal mist
forest meadow
#

Hey guys! As a new rogue, are we still running the build from last season for m+?

#

I saw that it said bleed build, so I'm assuming that's the same.

normal mist
#

yes

#

bleed good

marble wadi
#

i think all builds from last season are viable except no garrote build

#

mobs die too fast for it to be viable for now

normal mist
#

Bleed is the best

#

and the easiest

prime quail
#

what makes the new tier set so strong ?

latent cypress
#

The set bonus

quartz kelp
#

maybe even the tuning

winged sun
#

i think

#

idk how ur spatter is top dps

#

its very rare for it to be top dps

#

spread bleeds always

rotund oak
#

!up

prisma monolithBOT
jade abyss
ionic acorn
#

anyone know this tracker

golden mango
ionic acorn
raw marlin
#

so im playing fatebound raid build in key (dont ask, had to swap as they couldnt kill boss) and our ST in this is worse than DH in their aoe build

#

wtf

tropic jewel
#

is bleed build really the play on Sould Hunters ?

main bridge
#

I would have played sub in that situation

raw marlin
golden mango
glad tusk
#

Guys, WoW bis list on wowhead doesnt specificly say which trinkets best for m plus. Anyone knows which one to farm? ( from dungeons

quaint dragon
cyan surge
#

Dimensius 2nd phase kind of reminds me of the Cortex chase fight in Crash Bandicoot 2 and Fractillus reminds me of Dingodile in Crash Bandicoot 3.

bronze plover
#

hello is 2 + 2 better now or old 4p?

golden mango
dense cedar
quaint dragon
drowsy lotus
#

aoe nerfs seem inevitable at this point no?

bronze plover
main bridge
#

even when we are doing well there are people dooming

#

honestly incredible

drowsy lotus
bronze plover
#

assa st still sucks in bleed m+ build imo and we compensate it with AOE thats balance i think

raw marlin
rotund oak
bronze plover
rotund oak
#

just a channel away

raw marlin
#

so wait zero is losing to both shaman and dk in that pull

#

so why we getting nerf?

#

his ui fucking sucks

dry ore
# winged sun ur envenoming too much

i've played hybrid build for 2 seasons, caustic spatter should be first ig on that build.
first time playing bleed build, what should be the damage destribution look like ?

raw marlin
#

reckon he can see enough blinds up there bro?

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potent turret
drowsy lotus
hot jay
#

Man the forgemaster boss is such a mixed bag

raw marlin
hot jay
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The orb funnel onto the boss feels good

rotund oak
raw marlin
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which woudl usck

crisp venture
hot jay
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But the pillars are awful

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Since they aren't treated like an actual enemy death

raw marlin
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he also has at least 5 pixels on his screen

umbral sigil
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Council fight is trash

rotund oak
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absolute madness

umbral sigil
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Dimensius is annoying

raw marlin
rotund oak
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how u can play like that

umbral sigil
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but i did 99 parse for il on Terros 2.0

crisp venture
umbral sigil
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on deathstalker

raw marlin
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does zerocool have a spine?

potent turret
bronze plover
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araz pareses will be sooon remove from all star

onyx pond
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!gear

prisma monolithBOT
placid wave
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!macro

prisma monolithBOT
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With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket