#assassination
haughty flicker
normal mist
very smart
spice surge
It will prioritize those without rupture
pale glacier
unreal tide
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wicked carbon
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/23W8zhbTjApDR1gX?fight=6&type=damage-done&view=timeline&source=5
Can someone help understand what I'm doing wrong ? Casual says he does 23M on 5 Target Dummies on PTR but I can't get passed 14-15M on a 2 min fight
balmy condor
right off the bat what is this shiv doing here
haughty flicker
fok being your third highest damage is probably not a great sign
balmy condor
and why are we vanishing and then not putting dots up?
spring prawn
and why are we vanishing and then not putting dots up?
thats hekili rota
not even kidding
xd
balmy condor
Shiv 8 second isnt bad but
that's his second gcd btw
balmy condor
thats hekili rota
brilliant
wicked carbon
I'm not playing Kingsbane so I figured send shiv on cd if it's at 2 charges
distant fog
Second gcd ?
wicked carbon
Nah it's not
wicked carbon
I vanished for master assassin reset
balmy condor
You ambush first
distant fog
Into rupture and garrote
balmy condor
then I shived to not waste cd to since i don't play KB
but you shiv for bleed damage
distant fog
Dmg is negligible apparently
balmy condor
and you had no bleeds out
balmy condor
you're buffing nothing with that shiv
distant fog
Shiv is used on cd after bleeds are out
balmy condor
distant fog
But first shiv is always dmark buffer
balmy condor
you have this talent mate
wicked carbon
Ye true
balmy condor
wicked carbon
What about Vanish for Master Assassin during deathmark, that's bad ?
balmy condor
yes
distant fog
On pull you ambush then stack bleeds then dmark/trinkets/pot then envenom then vanish then keep stacking afterwards with maintenance and caustic all dat stuff
unreal tide
15 sec into a pull to get CT on targets feels criminal
balmy condor
the main use of vanish is to reapply bleeds
balmy condor
15 sec into a pull to get CT on targets feels criminal
was more like 8
first gcd was at 0:07
distant fog
You have dots so if you mess up opener ittl look like a broken piano
unreal tide
ahh much less criminal
wicked carbon
Shiv consumes a mark stack so that delays CT since I have to reapply it
distant fog
@wicked carbon
balmy condor
forget that
distant fog
Do a quicksim for me
balmy condor
you don't give a shit about the mark stack in aoe
distant fog
And read what the sim does on an opener for 5!
You can learn the opener from that
And then follow rules
Opener —-> rules
wicked carbon
ye with your advice i don't lol
distant fog
Your entire gameplay is to open burst then maintain
distant fog
Also make sure you do some mental math on pulls
The guide should mention opener shiv
distant fog
Wtf are those 12 oz bottles of martinelli
wicked carbon
It does but in relation to KD
distant fog
What the helly
distant fog
@wicked carbon in aoe its for deathmark first then use on cd after bleeds is everywhere
worldly temple
anyone got a talent string for bleed build for keys?
distant fog
@wicked carbon try 5 minute
worldly temple
got it
marsh fjord
Shiv consumes a mark stack so that delays CT since I have to reapply it
Wait what mark does get consumed by shiv?
wicked carbon
Deathstalker
gritty laurel
it's the new tier set
wicked carbon
From set
gritty laurel
distant fog
Do 1000 iterations
wise socket
first global should be the same no matter how many iterations tho no?
wicked carbon
ye
distant fog
That is true
wicked carbon
that was a bad take lol
distant fog
Api is weird
wicked carbon
no proc can delay ambush
distant fog
Why is it bleed stacking before bleed hmm
wise socket
how come?
balmy condor
the sim has subterfuge
it applies deathstalkers mark on gcd 5 with the ambush
while also having rupture up
so it gets both rupture as well as caustic
instead of having to apply the mark first gcd
wicked carbon
yes but he meant given the talents chosen
balmy condor
and then again needing to apply it afterwards
wicked carbon
1000 iterations won't change that opener
wise socket
does that make my statement false?
raw marlin
i was so confused 😄
Nah you don’t sleep bro
balmy condor
I mean yes, its consistent
marsh fjord
Nah you don’t sleep bro
you dont sleep either bro
distant fog
so bleed stack first is higher dps ?
marsh fjord
but im so fucking bored bro. gotta wait 3 more days for season zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
balmy condor
but the reasoning of "first gcd = ambush" cause of deathstalker isn't true in this case
wicked carbon
ye ye, you clarified the why tbh ty
balmy condor
so bleed stack first is higher dps ?
it doesn't make much of a difference but it's more reasonable to reflect gameplay this way with subterfuge
you can spread bleeds while a pack is getting gathered
and then ambush for the mark + caustic
moving one gcd back and forth a couple seconds doesn't matter much unless it's a major cooldown or something
wicked carbon
Why don't we vanish for master assassin during deathmark though ?
The mastery gain makes sense to me
balmy condor
for the record the sim used to ambush first gcd always regardless of anything, and we had this exact same conversation but in reverse with "but subterfuge you can just ambush once instead"
so
getting a bit of deja vu
fallow canopy
getting a bit of deja vu
time is a flat circle
balmy condor
Why don't we vanish for master assassin during deathmark though ?
as opposed to what
wicked carbon
I meant vanish
radiant snow
can anyone explain why my reshi barely procs?
wicked carbon
You told me to not dot hat
distant fog
So we can just ambush one time for a damage increase interesting
balmy condor
yeah but like ambush instead of what
balmy condor
So we can just ambush one time for a damage increase interesting
I wouldn't even call it a damage increase
shit legit just does not matter
do whatever you want
wicked carbon
yeah but like ambush instead of what
I meant vanish xD. I said I vanish to reset master assassin during deathmark you said don't do that
balmy condor
oh
yeah you use it for carnage
master assassin is just a bonus
deathmark in aoe is legit useless
you just get some extra energy and a bit of prio
gg
wicked carbon
Even with caustic spatter ?
balmy condor
what are you spattering with
you don't have kingsbane, you don't have poison bomb, you don't have amp poison, you don't have double poisons
the giga insane caustic spatter value of doubled deadly poison ticks
lets fucking go
distant fog
Why does sim shiv before dmark then
balmy condor
cause it shivs on crimson tempest in aoe
if you don't have any of the poison shit
and you have arterial
you just raw dog slam shiv when crimson tempest goes up
you did your setup and the bleeds are rolling
there's no more value to gain
balmy condor
did you read what I literally just said
distant fog
Its not a gain to shiv after ?
unreal tide
if DM was a cleave'ed debuff you'd be spot on
balmy condor
deathmark in aoe is legit useless
?
wicked carbon
you just raw dog slam shiv when crimson tempest goes up
Do we keep a charge for lingering darkness or doesn't matter ?
balmy condor
with the deathstalker tier your shiv lasts the entire duration of deathmark and then some
you're losing nothing
balmy condor
Do we keep a charge for lingering darkness or doesn't matter ?
you'll have a charge come up in lingering regardless
it's not something you need to plan ahead for
wicked carbon
ye true
balmy condor
with a bleed build you're shiv'ing for bleed
big aoe -> get bleeds + ct -> you did it -> shiv time
if you want to be omega cringe you can hold shiv for execute at 35% with zoldyck
but that's like
super minmax and difficult to actually get value from if things are going to explode from sudden demise
fallow canopy
save dm for sudden demise 
haughty flicker
real
balmy condor
like if you shiv at 35% and the mob just pops from sudden demise right after
you just lost all the gain you theoretically could've gotten
so you might as well just have shiv'd before
weary spear
Best thing dm is for in aoe is the trinket that’s macro’d with it
balmy condor
actually true lmao
potion + trinket
the actual button itself is chopped liver
also for the record all of this convo is predicated on the idea that sims perform perfect gcd-optimal openers
and most classes don't code sims to do that
cause it's a giant waste of time
that's partly why the big yellow "this isn't a guide on how to play your character" is there on raidbots
shiv 1 gcd before dm or 1 gcd after
ambush first gcd or slightly after
tranquil lynx
I ran a sim and my outlaw rogue is doing double the dps of my assa rogue
balmy condor
like none of this matters for the sake of your comparison
wise socket
I ran a sim and my outlaw rogue is doing double the dps of my assa rogue
do you have a sword equiped or something on assa oO
balmy condor
or are you simming target dummy on a bleed build
cause target dummy sims will keep them at 100% for the whole sim
tranquil lynx
I just copy pasted my build and ran 4 different tests
balmy condor
and you'll have 3-4 talent points that no absolutely nothing
tranquil lynx
But the assa bleed sim rotation was just weird
balmy condor
weird how
tranquil lynx
It opened with ambush while im hybrid
tranquil lynx
And ik for a fact i double the sim dps already
tranquil lynx
okay well link the sim and lets see
I literally shat down the pc but if u really want to look i can turn it on and get new sim
It was 1.8m dps
balmy condor
1.8m
distant fog
1.8 on solo ?
tranquil lynx
While my outlaw is at 3.7
balmy condor
with...... s1 gear?
harsh anchor
distant fog
Are you in bleed build st
tranquil lynx
My assa is 667
tranquil lynx
My outlaw is 681
balmy condor
distant fog
._. So
spice surge
How do you lose 14 ilvls
balmy condor
what
distant fog
20 ilvl down
spice surge
what
distant fog
._.
main bridge
What
coral ibex
sounds like ur in m+ talents simming st
tranquil lynx
I have 3 rogues
spice surge
You swap a weapon and a trinket
cursive finch
I have 3 rogues
HUH
distant fog
Why do you have 3 eogues
balmy condor
3 rogues, one for each spec
distant fog
Are you splits
tranquil lynx
I am minmaxing
cursive finch
playing 3 rogues is wild
balmy condor
of course yes
cursive finch
minmaxing nothin bro
distant fog
2 is enough for that
balmy condor
why swap like 3 pieces of gear when you could swap 3 characters
wise socket
bro be cookin some wild shit
thorn thorn
tranquil lynx
Cuz of the cap of gear right now
harsh anchor
distant fog
What cap of gear…
thorn thorn
distant fog
684???
thorn thorn
Respectfully, what are you talking about
tranquil lynx
U get 1 mythic dungeon drop per char
distant fog
Are you talking about taz hard mode
barren yarrow
are we going mastery or crit for fiber gem?
distant fog
balmy condor
are we going mastery or crit for fiber gem?
doesn't matter
barren yarrow
kk
balmy condor
pick your favorite color
barren yarrow
i love black?
balmy condor
damn
barren yarrow
and toyotas
distant fog
Pick mastery
balmy condor
don't think that's an option
barren yarrow
purple is close enough
harsh anchor
black means you just don't socket one
tranquil lynx
Im just watching zac and doing the same lol
thorn thorn
Does zac have 3 rogues
tranquil lynx
4
distant fog
What is zac doeing
barren yarrow
i have 6 rogues
distant fog
I have 15 rogues
thorn thorn
What on earth
distant fog
Im in rwf
harsh anchor
I have a rogue on every single realm
thorn thorn
All of yall are going to hell wtf
distant fog
Yo hes minmaxing tier set
tranquil lynx
I was thinking of making 4th rogue but im lazy
distant fog
He picks the one who gets the most gear gg
wise socket
Im just watching zac and doing the same lol
unless you are doing splits there is not really any reason to have more than 1 rogue
tranquil lynx
Im minmaxing gear
distant fog
What gear
balmy condor
wise socket
you dont get better gear by having more rogues
tranquil lynx
Champion rn
balmy condor
does bro know he's alive
thorn thorn
Are you in like
distant fog
Like
thorn thorn
hof or rwf
distant fog
What gear
thorn thorn
Or something
main bridge
Minmax DN
distant fog
Is your guild feeding 3 rogues ?
thorn thorn
Im trying to think of any feasible reason to minmax preseason gear
distant fog
Or are you gonna rolle the dice on vault
tranquil lynx
I just want to get +10 keys for vault and then gg
distant fog
For garunteed tier
harsh anchor
24 +10s huh
distant fog
So youre doing 30 m+ on 3 rogues
balmy condor
Im trying to think of any feasible reason to minmax preseason gear
it's a spreadsheet guide, it has to be
tranquil lynx
Yup
balmy condor
there's no other explanation
distant fog
Okay
wise socket
i mean if you only do keys i can see just doing 3 rogues and just pick the one that gets the best vault then leave the other 2 or?
balmy condor
some spreadsheet said make 15 mirrors
thorn thorn
You can do +10s week 1 almost regardless, you just need enough health to live
distant fog
So who is gonna invite
balmy condor
and he went with it
thorn thorn
distant fog
A 667 player
harsh anchor
I can barely deal with playing an alt
distant fog
To a 10
thorn thorn
Nobody
tranquil lynx
My char is 1day old
thorn thorn
Cuz if you are 667 doing a +10 in S3 you have a premade or got lucky
harsh anchor
gotta be wr50 right
distant fog
@tranquil lynx you couldve just bought a m0 world tour
harsh anchor
ain't no sane person would do this
distant fog
And gotten off better
balmy condor
this is like the 4th cooked convo in here today I'm ngl
thorn fjord
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thorn thorn
This aint legion man a bit of bad rng aint gonna brick your character for the season 
balmy condor
on your 5th rogue yes
tranquil lynx
Idc really i make my own keys
thorn thorn
<@167090536602140682> hey do i craft a one hand sword first ?
Speedrunning removal of patience
distant fog
And blocking you
tranquil lynx
I pushed 3k rating with my own keys
nova kelp
What were the other 4 cooked covos whispyr?
balmy condor
Speedrunning removal of patience
that one was well timed
thorn thorn
Implying 3k isnt already free
distant fog
Bro we all gonna be 2k by end of tuesday
balmy condor
What were the other 4 cooked covos whispyr?
why would you ask me to relive traumatic expierences man
distant fog
3k end of week
tranquil lynx
Then whats the issue
nova kelp
why would you ask me to relive traumatic expierences man
Its for the entertainment of everyone else.
distant fog
@balmy condor post a poll “ failed taz” “ passed taz”
tranquil lynx
I will be 690 by end of week
distant fog
And have everyone recount their stories of how they failed or passed hard mode taz
Great first week ender
thorn thorn
I could never do HM taz cuz my tank is too much of a fucking dumbass
marsh fjord
You guys all need to go to bed your cooking to much
tranquil lynx
Who is taz
marsh fjord
it makes my head hurt
distant fog
Dunno everyone gonna be 701 end of week
thorn thorn
Every dungeon they have a 2% chance to die instantly on the first pull
balmy condor
Its for the entertainment of everyone else.
if you want to read something cooked there was an image in here earlier about a money making strategy where you just make an army of alts and hold hm taz groups hostage for gold ransom once they're saved or else you leave and brick their run
distant fog
HAHAHAHA
nova kelp
Glorious
distant fog
thats a good idea
thorn thorn
if you want to read something cooked there was an image in here earlier about a ...
This one popped up in the evoker discord too
tranquil lynx
Who is taz yall
balmy condor
tazdingo
distant fog
Gonna use it on pugs
harsh anchor
Nah, I ain't a dickhead to the general public.
distant fog
“ ILL KMS RN GIVE ME 100k “
harsh anchor
They may be stupid, but I'm not cruel
distant fog
I SWEAR TO GOD ILL DO IT
balmy condor
worst part is, you can just run off the edge
distant fog
the absolute doggery in hm tazavesh will be hilarious
balmy condor
you don't even need to pull mobs
distant fog
Imagine youre at last boss
balmy condor
"I stand in mechanics now"
gritty laurel
get the payout, fuck up and die anyway
thorn thorn
Reminds me back in DF when people were holding keys hostage for 50k
balmy condor
Reminds me back in DF when people were holding keys hostage for 50k
you mean last patch with resiliant
distant fog
I would leave i refuse to negotiate with terrorists
balmy condor
15k for my resil 17
thorn thorn
They were in BH, tank and dps duo, and they said "50k each or we brick the key"
balmy condor
and you invite absolute shitters that could never do it
thorn thorn
So I guess technically it was 100k
balmy condor
wow community has gotta be up there as one of the most degen toxic thinktanks in the world
distant fog
Nathria was last good pug raid
balmy condor
the lengths people will go to to make pugging a miserable hellscape
distant fog
The absolute sweaty degens stuck in a heroic denathrius raid
balmy condor
is actually incredible
thorn thorn
wow community has gotta be up there as one of the most degen toxic thinktanks in...
To my knowledge its the worst for this
harsh anchor
The wow community is perfect, the way any gaming community should be
distant fog
The raid lead who has been on this boss pulling for 14 hours
Trying to get week 1 aotc
balmy condor
To my knowledge its *the* worst for this
I can't think of a more creatively destructive community than m+ either
balmy condor
they're literally just hellbent on making it worse for themselves
nova kelp
Should try the ff community. They're like all wholesome and shit. Until you see the Degen parts
harsh anchor
any erp/competitive scene in games will reach into degen toxicity
balmy condor
yah I mean it's erp
distant fog
I got molested for going into a house
balmy condor
already full of freaks by definition
distant fog
It was so disgeartening
harsh anchor
I got nervous going to a ff14 18+ greet/meet. Someone started flirting with me in whispers and I logged out
distant fog
Bro
They are disgusting
I finished savages week 1 and our static went to a house meet for vibes
thorn thorn
FF is for people who cant play wow
balmy condor
FF is for people who cant play wow
nah okay you lost me on that one
balmy condor
ff is a fine game
distant fog
But ultimates are very hard
16 minute encounters
With 0 fuck ups
Parsing was ez doe at least
thorn thorn
Combat too slow for me
harsh anchor
I enjoyed the extremes and savages a lot. Was rewarding doing those fights
distant fog
Savages are 100% scripted so its easy to parse
thorn thorn
I strongly dislike the 1.5s gcd
distant fog
You can have 0 downtime melee
harsh anchor
It evens out juxtaposed to wow with all of the ogcd abilities
main bridge
Combat too slow for me
Yeah it was all movies and the combat is boring and way worse. Like the opposite of WoW
gritty laurel
is it still a bannable offense if they somehow find out you're running a dps meter?
thorn thorn
I just found the combat in FF to simply feel inferior to wow
gritty laurel
no i get that, just wondering if they still have dipshit rules like that
distant fog
But its impossible to enforce
thorn thorn
0/10 game
distant fog
Fflogs still real
gritty laurel
i ran one when i tried the game out
thorn thorn
Bannable yea
haughty flicker
its a rule but its just dont be a dumbass and talk about it in chat and nobody cares
thorn thorn
If the combat improves I may try it again
thorn thorn
Kinda based
thorn thorn
I heard there was a boss that makes you do math
nova kelp
I heard there was a boss that makes you do math
Thats just "new people in discord"
thorn thorn
Im stupid so its jover for me on that one
nova kelp
OH YEAH WHATS 45 + 3 THEN!?
wicked carbon
@balmy condor You legit made me gain 5M DPS in 5 minutes lol. Thank you.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gNPYjW6tTMmXZpvF?fight=1&type=casts&view=timeline&source=8
First garrotte was cut off for some reason
nova kelp
Ah well he's got me there
marsh fjord
OH YEAH WHATS 45 + 3 THEN!?
47
nova kelp
<@167090536602140682> You legit made me gain 5M DPS in 5 minutes lol. Thank you...
You made him GAIN more dps than I do... That's something
marsh fjord
10+10 : 22
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> You legit made me gain 5M DPS in 5 minutes lol. Thank you...
yah this looks much better
you cast like 2x the envenoms as well lmao
spreading bleeds with carnage pretty good
waxen oyster
wait are you saying
balmy condor
good work
waxen oyster
wait this spec has cds to jumble?
wicked carbon
tbf the guide could be more clear on how to use shiv without kingsbane
waxen oyster
🤔
balmy condor
tbf the guide could be more clear on how to use shiv without kingsbane
what part confused you
balmy condor
waxen oyster
doesnt it just say
waxen oyster
use on cd to buff bleeds
balmy condor
if it's confusing I'd love to fix it
solar wyvern
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balmy condor
but I'm one guy
wicked carbon
yeah tbf it's clear in the prio list
balmy condor
so I don't know what's confusing or not to people ya know
coral ibex
Savages are 100% scripted so its easy to parse
link fflogs
wicked carbon
But the opener section could have talent toggles
thorn thorn
Bleed is using double shiv yea?
balmy condor
But the opener section could have talent toggles
I guess it could yeah, it doesn't change much on a per-build basis which is why I didn't include it, would just be more buttons for people to hit and the most that would happen is like, removing kb from the list
coral ibex
aspho 
balmy condor
like idk, this is fine
got the bleed spread and the shiv
it's got kingsbane which I guess is confusing
maybe I rework that as a midseason thing, making it work with talent togglers is a lot more involved than changing the prio list
wicked carbon
I guess it could yeah, it doesn't change much on a per-build basis which is why ...
Yeah maybe it's a me thing but I really had shiv tied to kb in my mind.
distant fog
balmy condor
those timelines are self-contained in their own scratch guides
like I can't edit the timelines
I would need to make an entirely new timeline
for each combo
so that's a bit of a nightmare
wicked carbon
Can you make a fork before kingsbane saying "if talented" or something ?
balmy condor
uhhhhh
should be able to yeah
I'll look into it
I don't wanna have like a million forks but can probably whip something up that splits kb out
golden loom
its kinda weird a lot of the time with KB build in m+ tho right, cause you dont really wanna shiv in aoe all the time right?
like for KB build shiv is big ST dam
with bleed its big aoe dam
balmy condor
yeh without arterial, shiv in aoe sucks
but then if you play supercharger, shiv in aoe sucks a lot less
waxen oyster
doesnt it just spatter more
balmy condor
so there's a lot of moving parts
waxen oyster
but kinda whatever
balmy condor
doesnt it just spatter more
not without arterial
golden loom
well the envenom spatters more cause of supercharger but the shiv has no impact otherwise
balmy condor
idk
it's definitely good feedback
fixing it in a way that isn't half-assed is a bit of a disaster cause of tooling issues
golden loom
yeah sounds like a nightmare tbh
balmy condor
I'll see what I can do
golden loom
think the real solution for bleed is just perma slam that shit on cd no thinking allowed
waxen oyster
kb builds stinky
distant fog
Then it would still suck
golden loom
well then it wouldnt spatter and it would be beyond dogshit
distant fog
Cause lets be honest
balmy condor
what if our internal tools were just better
amber fossil
I have CB macrod to use befoire envenom, but I see people are saying to use with KB, is there really a diff?
haughty flicker
besides then you wouldnt need spatter you just take internal bleeding
waxen oyster
I mean lorewise
haughty flicker
for even more bleed
balmy condor
I have CB macrod to use befoire envenom, but I see people are saying to use with...
yes
distant fog
Gotta let kb bleed
balmy condor
if you macro before envenom you'd fuck up your fatebound opener
waxen oyster
well the thing you get from yogg
balmy condor
well
golden loom
doesnt garona bleed out the king
distant fog
Should be called heartbane
golden loom
good point if only someone had said that
sorry didnt read was busy googling
haughty flicker
based googler
waxen oyster
main bridge
Yo wasn’t Llane trying to smash that?
golden loom
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Kingsbane_(dagger)
ah guess I was gaslit by this comment from 2006
haughty flicker
dreadblades
waxen oyster
from the legion
golden loom
kingsfall cool dagger tho
haughty flicker
made up pirate shit
golden loom
we need some cool weapons man
haughty flicker
kingsbane only rogue legion artifact that actually had any good lore behind it
which is fair tbh because rogues dont really do shit in wow lore
garona killed a king
golden loom
gressil dawn of ruin just sounds sick as fuck no cap on a stack
haughty flicker
and valeera helped varian some
otherwise who does anything
shaw does his shitty spy stuff
golden loom
edwin the goat
haughty flicker
edwins a bitch
golden loom
man of the people
fallow canopy
we need some cool weapons man
you get 100 more daggers that look like claymores and you will like it
haughty flicker
also who wants a cutlass from deadmines as their legion artifact
runic hinge
also who wants a cutlass from deadmines as their legion artifact
joe
balmy condor
who's joe
balmy condor
haha who's joe mama
distant fog
Joe mama mama
balmy condor
did you know that stacy's mom has got it going on
but stacy's dad has got me down bad?
haughty flicker
lean topaz
Should I try to refresh garrote and rupture before my 2min cds even if they are not on pandemic window yet?
balmy condor
Is meld a dps increase
as opposed to not using meld at all, yeah
as opposed to other racials? not really
haughty flicker
Is meld a dps increase
no because you lose a lot of dps for nelf subpar stealth animation
runic hinge
no because you lose a lot of dps for nelf subpar stealth animation
but you gain dps for each flip
balmy condor
Should I try to refresh garrote and rupture before my 2min cds even if they are ...
if you're playing fatebound you want to avoid rupturing during cold blood because you would break your flip
otherwise just refresh in pandemic
haughty flicker
but you gain dps for each flip
the flips go hard
every other nelf animation is great
balmy condor
sadly xiani has made a classic blunder
haughty flicker
its just the stealth that ruins it
runic hinge
roulette wheel staying in the inventory
haughty flicker
if i was a warrior main or something i'd go nelf
fallow canopy
is the oab ring bis this season? it has +1 luck for the flips
balmy condor
and equated refreshing rupture in dm to a cardinal sin
which isn't true
and we don't care
runic hinge
is the oab ring bis this season? it has +1 luck for the flips
always
balmy condor
so just refresh the bleeds as normal
haughty flicker
lean topaz
and equated refreshing rupture in dm to a cardinal sin
Yeah I was thinking about this! Thank you 👍!
balmy condor
yeh
literally doesn't matter
kingsbane will giga ramp regardless of you pressing rupture
and you're going to consume all your amp stacks anyway
amber fossil
would it be better to still open with ambush in st fights since you can still get off the garr in time?
like, does it matter how you build to the first rup?
slate badger
does anybody have macro for Garrote or rupture on mouseover if possible if not on target?
to apply on packs without changing main target
nova kelp
does anybody have macro for Garrote or rupture on mouseover if possible if not o...
You don't actually HAVE to change at all tbh
valid hinge
in aoe situation, when should we use first vanish? when garrote about to expire or rupture?
nova kelp
If you're busting a vanish to reapply bleeds you're doing it wrong most times
slate badger
You don't actually HAVE to change at all tbh
why?
nova kelp
why?
Ic has smart targetting. It is min max to use a moreover. But it's minimal. The talent will carry you the 99% of the distance on its own.
slate badger
Ic has smart targetting. It is min max to use a moreover. But it's minimal. The ...
so just spam garrote and rupture on my target until I see the entire pack with dots?
nova kelp
If 3 targets are in range and you hit gar and rupture. You will bleed all 3
If there are 5. And you hit both twice all 5 will have them
valid hinge
If you're busting a vanish to reapply bleeds you're doing it wrong most times
hmmm then how do we reapply garrote on multiple targets without vanish
nova kelp
The mouse over isn't NECESSARY but will give you one additional bleed beyond that number of targets. At which point most times you're laying into spatter anyway
Your energy will be fucking capping out like mad anyway
nova kelp
hmmm then how do we reapply garrote on multiple targets without vanish
Just do it manually. Vanish is a big button to press for what is probably just finishing off a pack
When it comes to chaining. So long as the chaining is done well just keep applying manually unless there's a huge target or a huge pull
For the most part you will want it in the case of your dsm dropping
Not for just pack dps
slate badger
If there are 5. And you hit both twice all 5 will have them
ohhh, an with pack of 8 or 10 each cast will dot 2 more targets right?
nova kelp
ohhh, an with pack of 8 or 10 each cast will dot 2 more targets right?
Each time you press it even without mouse over or switch ic will refresh the current target and hit 2 targets that don't have the bleed yeah
So it IS min max. But it's not like "omfg noob" levels of min max
Its more like I prefer a desert spoon over a teaspoon for eating cereal
slate badger
thanks a lot
haughty flicker
no problem sora's raft
stark halo
So I guess I’m playing fatebound for first two bosses and Fract, then back to DS
valid hinge
Just do it manually. Vanish is a big button to press for what is probably just f...
like use it around 35% for sudden demise?
nova kelp
So I guess I’m playing fatebound for first two bosses and Fract, then back to DS
There's a picture that's been shared a bunch. Its assumed to currently be 4 bosses for each hero
stark halo
There's a picture that's been shared a bunch. Its assumed to currently be 4 boss...
Share!
nova kelp
like use it around 35% for sudden demise?
Now look... This IS a thing that is possible. And it is a thing that I've done. But like... This is borderline troll lol.
haughty flicker
stark halo
earnest remnant
Fuck Mark. Hate that guy
nova kelp
Also I think I'm shooting for a netherprism off the rip coz like I cbf dealing with the forge crowd
quiet oriole
For FB we hold cold blood for KB every time right?
nova kelp
For FB we hold cold blood for KB every time right?
With 4p there's no need to hold
They'll both be 45s
quiet oriole
Oh no 4p yet that's why it feel strange
novel star
but the answer is yes
quiet oriole
Im not just getting ready
nova kelp
that sounds so cringe
Coin buff stronk
novel star
you already just macrod cb to kb before this tier
nova kelp
But yeah you don't have cb on your bars anyway
So it only occurs when you press kB regardless
Macros are good like that
earnest remnant
without tier
Skill issue. I always get the coin ( ice not once specced fatebound this expansion)
nova kelp
not guaranteed to get coin
Its like 50%. And coin buff still stronk.
Me I'm probably playing sub for a bit
quiet oriole
Yeah I figured was just hitting a dummy and was trying to set up bars and such for when I get tier
waxen oyster
yeah i mean fuck fatebound in all honesty
nova kelp
Even once I have 4p... Like... Coin flip still cringe.
Jingling purse rogue is just #notmyrogue
novel star
please
nova kelp
waxen oyster
People do realize you DON'T want to sim high preraid
thats just putting you on the nerf target reticle
haughty flicker
earnest remnant
Unless you are warlock or evokers
balmy condor
I too am delusional
tiny pollen
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
haughty flicker
based on actual performance yes
nova kelp
blizzard looking at sims to balance, yes
Imagine they came out one day and just straight ripped a "oh yeah we totally do"
novel star
week 1 of s1
cus of week 1 logs
earnest remnant
How lock Dodged nerfs needs to be studied
haughty flicker
wdym nerfs
fallow canopy
real
balmy condor
I mean it is simply insane to think that they tune based off of an open-source community-lead tool that they have no control over and don't know how accurate anything is or if it even reflects the game properly
waxen oyster
im gonna be real
balmy condor
if they use sims to tune, what a fucking disaster that would be just in the image of "blizzard can't tune their own game, they need TCs to do it for them"
waxen oyster
one button rotation would do more dps
balmy condor
and then people start sandbagging
waxen oyster
than most of these m0 pugs
i've had
also real talk like
fuck inviting multiple casters to a dungeon
nova kelp
I mean it is simply insane to think that they tune based off of an open-source c...
One day you get a job as a class dev coz idk you don't like money or w/e
Then you turn up like "sick where is the data set to evaluate stuff?"
And the person showing you the ropes is like "oh we use this" *loads up raidbots
visual sun
isnt that like a normal pug scene
balmy condor
One day you get a job as a class dev coz idk you don't like money or w/e
Then y...
imagine a future where we ip track raidbots and then scrape potential buffs and nerfs off of random sims coming out of irvine where they're testing the damage impact of nerfing stuff
nova kelp
imagine a future where we ip track raidbots and then scrape potential buffs and ...
Just start swinging lol
visual sun
imagine those ptr misinformation become gospel now
nova kelp
slate badger
Should I manually cast Thistle tea? or just let it cast normally when going low on energy?
waxen oyster
Someone once told me
balmy condor
Just start swinging lol
wowhead news article "potential 10% nerf coming to rogue after developer raidbots account is discovered"
waxen oyster
the easiest way to lose interest in playing a game
balmy condor
Should I manually cast Thistle tea? or just let it cast normally when going low ...
macro to shiv
waxen oyster
is to become a developer for it
because you see how dumb the average chud is
who plays
haughty flicker
because you see how dumb the average chud is
junior axle
so when the raid starts, do rogues wanna start ST bosses with deathstalker hero talents on ST, then swap to fatebound with 4P, or do we just wanna stay with fatebound at the begining of the tier?
waxen oyster
maybe i should play sub first week to get it nerfed
nova kelp
because you see how dumb the average chud is
I mean. I 100% guarantee you that even in half decent guilds there's some dps who "miraculously" gained throughput on the same day that the 1 button assist was implemented. You know purely circumstantially
waxen oyster
slate badger
macro to shiv
even if I wont get the whole 100 Energy?
balmy condor
yes
novel star
yep
slate badger
ty
balmy condor
in situations where you don't get 100 energy, you're gonna get mastery and you're happy
waxen oyster
I mean. I 100% guarantee you that even in half decent guilds there's some dps wh...
whats a half decent guild
balmy condor
and in situations where you're getting 100 energy, you're getting 100 energy and you're happy
waxen oyster
because ngl i am not nice in trial threads of people i think are even slightly pepega
balmy condor
but either way you're happy
nova kelp
whats a half decent guild
10000000000000% I think this is true even in some "several myth boss" guilds
slate badger
but either way you're happy
i'm happy right now with the advices on this discord 🙂
waxen oyster
Honestly i dont think non ce myth guilds are even half decent
but i do realize i live in a bubble
in terms of wow
haughty flicker
nova kelp
Like those people who are always like "omg I unbind backpedal who ever does it" and then they immediately bitched and moaned the moment they got the torg power that stopped them from moving backwards
golden loom
why would you unbind backpedal
golden loom
okay lets say on sprocket, what do you do if theres a slight movment and u wanna move slightly backwards
haughty flicker
waxen oyster
Never had that
wooden timber
i think backpedal can be good sometimes but im a xiv refugee and in that game u can fullspeed press s and hit the boss so im maybe just too used to it
but i press it sometimes and it feels ok
waxen oyster
the funniest is when im doing pvp
and some hunter backpedals on me
trying to kite
?????
golden loom
rogue evasion backpedaling also based
fringe spear
okay lets say on sprocket, what do you do if theres a slight movment and u wanna...
usually I just strafe backwards, but I do have backpedal bound just in case
waxen oyster
Though pvp has one very easy way to detect people who keyboard turn
nova kelp
I'm not saying people DONT unbind it. Obs people do.
Just there's always a lot of people that love saying what they think is self praise out loud and fail on closer inspection
waxen oyster
play against a caster
and then just run through his model
if his cast continually gets canceled that mf keyboard turns
golden loom
but also just having movement on wasd is so normal in any game that suddenly binding something else to S is weird imo
haughty flicker
nova kelp
People like... Elon Musk
Pro Poe player btw
nova kelp
Bro...
The whole binding wasd to your mouse and having the keyboard for skill Binds only
Goated. But also heretical
fallen charm
just press both mouse buttons to run
wooden timber
i bind mutilate to mb4 its nice
waxen oyster
I have mb4 to step macro to tank
fallen charm
I bind garrote to alexa
nova kelp
I can't put spam skills on my mouse... The little jitter whenever you click... Shudder
fallen charm
Alexa garrote!
wooden timber
i had garrote on mb5 but you cant mouseover boss frames and garrote them with it on a mouse button
so now its just ambush
golden loom
I can't put spam skills on my mouse... The little jitter whenever you click... S...
mouse is for autorun, mount, crimson vial and tricks
waxen oyster
sprint and step
wooden timber
oh i just have a regular mouse
if i had a mmo mouse id be going crazier
but i think mutilate/backstab/ss on mouse is comfy
golden loom
that sounds horrible
waxen oyster
I need a macro that puts tricks
on a dev evoker
whenever there is one in the group
fallen charm
lol
golden loom
isnt ur camera perma shaking if ur spamming muti
waxen oyster
anyone good with wa
wooden timber
no
fallen charm
i have one that always saves my tank to the macro
wooden timber
it stays put i did kyveza ?? on it backstabbing during massacre
fallen charm
maybe you can change it to evoker
wooden timber
no issues not facing clones while whacking backstab
waxen oyster
"im just misdirecting one of you to not get punched on pull"
people really be acting like
non outlaw threat from tricks
matters
like yeah outlaw you can kind of notice it if you go into an add spawn and can bte 4-5x in a row
supple ether
Is there a combat indicator wa that stays without fading away?
tender dagger
can someone show a shiv thistle macro
balmy condor
!macro
prisma monolithBOT
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.
#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane
Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
fallen charm
so anyone knows why we KB+cold blood+vanish and not vanishing after the second cold blooded envenom? is it just for convenience?
rocky zodiac
If i remember corectly its mandatory to guarantee Lucky Coin in the Opener
balmy condor
vanish flips two coins
fallen charm
so you get 3? on the next envenom after cold blood+vanish?
fallen charm
I get that but wouldn't be better to cold blood>envenom>evenom>vanish>envenom or it's just useless min maxing
balmy condor
what
no that's troll as fuck
you'd just be wasting cold blood and vanish that way
what's the thinking behind that
fallen charm
cold blood guarantees the next 2 envenoms to match right?
balmy condor
correct
fallen charm
and also vanish
balmy condor
yes
fallen charm
would be better to vanish the third envenom then?
balmy condor
no, you don't have cold blood for that
if you cold blood, envenom, envenom
you get 2 edge case flips, yes?
fallen charm
right
balmy condor
cause you're matching the edge case
okay
so if you cold blood vanish envenom, that gives 2 edge case flips
and then you still have 1 more cold blood
so you get a third edge case flip
3 > 2
the way you want to do it
fallen charm
oooh
balmy condor
you go envenom envenom, 2 edge case flips
fallen charm
I see
balmy condor
yah, that's the goal in cd windows
earnest remnant
and get 2 normie ass coins
is that what we call canadian dollars?
balmy condor
just for complete clarity cause the wording on fb stuff sucks ass
vanish talent says "that are guaranteed to match the same outcome."
notable that it's not the PREVIOUS outcome
the coins just match each other
so if you vanish during cold blood, they match each other, which is edge case, you get 2
if you vanish outside of cold blood, they match each other
so it's 2 heads or 2 tails
fallen charm
thanks a lot
balmy condor
np
hot jay
When you get edge case that is giving 2 stacks of the coin match buff? Or nah
balmy condor
huh
hot jay
Yeah i see now