assassination

[hot pasture]

i guess rogue assa is splus now

[nova kelp]

Yeah man we're the splusiest

[rotund oak]

Latest FB guide vid..

hair illegally cute

[young reef]

!macros

[main bridge]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[young reef]

ty

[raw marlin]

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

^ you lot just doing the potion with DM macro

or you using it with shiv?

[balmy condor]

what

why would you cast it with shiv

[raw marlin]

cause i hit shiv right after DM 99.9999% of the time

[balmy condor]

oh

sure I guess whatever

that would fuck you over real hard if you ever play fatebound or have a fight longer than 5 min

cause you would just potion on a raw KB

but yolo

[raw marlin]

yh

i put it on dm lol

[solar wyvern]

Hmmm

[balmy condor]

yeh it's gud

[solar wyvern]

Better than a signet id say

[balmy condor]

it is

and the rare happens to be bugged to shit 95% of the time

it's great

[solar wyvern]

Man, just when i thought my chores for the week were done

[fringe spear]

It drops from ixthis as well

both are weekly pretty sure

[kind wren]

so is assa the prime class of rogue in 11.2.0?

fathebound or deathstalker

cuz i have problems doing sub due to age issue

[earnest remnant]

what causes sub to be an issue for you?

[split maple]

A 💤 rotation around pressing 30 buttons in 10 seconds and then making a sandwich for the next 80 secs until CDs come back up. Oh wait that's my issue with sub

[solar wyvern]

You must be this old to play sub

Back to outlaw zoomer

[balmy condor]

rare mathris sighting in public

[runic hinge]

Mathris emerges just to shit talk sub

[haughty flicker]

[frosty oxide]

@bright tartan it's beautiful

[hollow talon]

The coupe de grace optimizations are too hard for me can't play sub

[rotund oak]

i hate trickster

but love sub

[frosty oxide]

I can't wait to play some fatebound sin

[rocky zodiac]

Which one of them Out of curiosity?

[hollow talon]

Both

Unplayable

[hollow talon]

I can smell the carpal tunnel from this image

[frosty oxide]

Remember outlaw SLands season 3 and 4? So fun.

[split maple]

Couldve been outlaw too. I'd actually enjoy it if the damage curve wasn't a flat line 😄

[nova kelp]

The damage line

[runic hinge]

same

sub i can kinda appreciate they say, I'll rocket to the top just for a lil bit and then we're back down to earth until it happens again

[split maple]

it's the kerbal space program of specs except you never reach escape velocity. you get really high and then crash

[rotund oak]

bro's into 25.000miles per hour tech

also why the f did i say that in miles

its 11-ish klm per sec

[sly yoke]

all that just to do 2m on single

[steady glen]

oh my god kyrian outlaw? the best

[nova kelp]

Lol wasn't it like 120 apm at that stage or some insane shit?

[haughty flicker]

kyrian shadowdust my beloved

venthyr was ok too

[steady glen]

echoing reprimand was so good

loved it

[kind wren]

difficulty in learning sth new...

[earnest remnant]

thats fair

[steady glen]

the fact that u cant really macro stuff in sub too is not very attractive

[kind wren]

i played combat rogue which is gone now..and then assa in LEGION
came back in War Within

[slate crown]

this goes hard

[slate crown]

based

[kind wren]

playtime kinda short
so its difficult to learn sth from the beginning

[split maple]

yeah the like blunderbus legendary with venthyr flag and all sorts of stuff lined up. shit was so high APM it physically hurt my old man hands to play, but it was really fun

[kind wren]

so assa only is not preferable in 11.2?

[buoyant herald]

what

things arent one thing or the opposite

looks like sub will be best for some fights, assa best for some fights, and outlaw probs for none

[kind wren]

so swapping talents would be neccessary ok

[buoyant herald]

no

not necessary

[kind wren]

preferable

[balmy condor]

playing optimally will involve changing things, yes

[buoyant herald]

oh talents, yes, thought you meant specs

[kind wren]

i meant both actually

but i got you right

[buoyant herald]

if you aren't at all familiar with sub or don't like it you can happily play assass for everything though

[grave ivy]

Play what you enjoy

[kind wren]

thx guys

[zealous pewter]

whats the move for hero talents?

[kind wren]

just one question

FB assa is only good when there is one target right?

[buoyant herald]

both

up to 3 i think

[grave ivy]

I say that, but I'm playing assassination even though I enjoy outlaw because I'm old and my hands hurt too much when playing outlaw

[buoyant herald]

but also like

if 2 adds spawn once a fight

or like 5 adds spawn every 2 mins

is that gonna make up for FB doing 10% more for the other 110 seconds?

[kind wren]

so if adds spawn you play DS?

[buoyant herald]

if enough adds spawn then yes

[kind wren]

so to wrap it up
regular mythic+ would need DS
raid boss depends on adds spawn

[buoyant herald]

mythic plus will be almost always DS

raid boss depends on adds yes

🙂

i think whispyr's video had up to 5 or 6 raid bosses as FB

[opaque geyser]

Never played DB, how passive is it?

FB

[haughty flicker]

entirely

[opaque geyser]

Cool

[haughty flicker]

tier changes you to 1:30 class but you just play as normal with changed timings

[kind wren]

what i found was cast cold blood with KB

[grim jay]

So on a deeper level, would you think change is optimal? But what about if the state would previously be perfect and then it changes, wouldnt that be bad? Or do you see that as a necessary part of evolution and evolution is optimal?

[haughty flicker]

yeah but you can just macro cb to kb

so you dont even have to think about it

[grim jay]

Thats actually the best thing about fatebound imo

I like 1.5 min, tho 1min would be even better

[haughty flicker]

1m deathmark

and 30s kb

you'd have like 50% uptime on it lmao

[kind wren]

oh i never played fb before

so is 1.5m DM and 30s KB?

[grim jay]

Nah just both 1 min, let it only affect DM

[haughty flicker]

its 1:30 dm and 45s kingsbane

with 4p

fb itself doesnt change it just tier

[grim jay]

My enjoyment of 1 min CDs solely stems from times where shadow dance was a one min CD 👴

[lethal swallow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[distant lodge]

Can’t use vanish against Kyveza ?? because she disappears, brilliant….

[marsh fjord]

you can

its just a bug

i vanished multiple times and it worked but also vanished and she dissapears

its stupid i know

[distant lodge]

If only there was another way we could enter stealth in combat without having to vanish!

[balmy condor]

why are we vanishing on kyveza

[grim jay]

If only we wouldnt need to enter stealth in combat on a boss!

Oh wait we dont

[marsh fjord]

playing fatebound?

ST fight

[balmy condor]

just play deathstalker idk

fb isn't THAT much better

[covert jewel]

[marsh fjord]

600k more dps bro

[hallow glade]

fatebound is good on kyveza

brain off to dodge mechanics

[balmy condor]

deathstalker has way better defensives for solo

[hallow glade]

i dont think you need to worry about defensives too much

2 min every portal spawn

and then you have 1 you dont have anything

[marsh fjord]

on the ?? she kinda hurts

[grim jay]

You apparently need to worry about resetting the boss

So who cares

[hallow glade]

i reset her once but

its not that bad

just use it before next global

she only hurts on portal spawn

[marsh fjord]

i mean i didnt try DS yet. just clarify why i was playing FB

[hallow glade]

otherwise you can feint mask charges

idk deathstalker is only defensives during cds

which is not the issue

honestly fatebound passive defensive might be better

[grim jay]

[marsh fjord]

i got her to 32% tho

on FB

[red elbow]

simc shows that fb is way better but when i dummy fb & ds is close

[hallow glade]

ds is better on dummies prob because of execute

mayb

[balmy condor]

ya

[marsh fjord]

DS is better in execute also thats why if the dummy gets low mabye

@solar wyvern do you know the timer on ixthal by any chance?

[grim jay]

The dummies get low so you get execute btw

[haughty flicker]

I think the dummies might go into execute but not sure

[red elbow]

simc fb is too high and ds too low
i set simc dummy on 100% excute still fb better but when dummy ds better

[grim jay]

Way better kinda is a stretch especially if you dont have tset

On small limited testing at dummies even more so

[marsh fjord]

I do feel like FB has a lot of variance tho

mabye me

[balmy condor]

before 2 set it is in fact one of the highest variances

[marsh fjord]

Sometimes im doing so much damage. and sometimes i just suck

[balmy condor]

yep

such is the fatebound way

[haughty flicker]

i do love me some variance

[balmy condor]

the variance is already quite high with the tier set

but without you aren't even guaranteeing the capstone

[marsh fjord]

yeah

[grave ivy]

I'm doing 1/2 of this... And not the good half 🙃

[marsh fjord]

Im genuinely wondering to just play DS in the first weeks till i have 2 set atleast

[golden loom]

just get tier from vault and LFR day 1

[marsh fjord]

imagine

i would kiss you

if that was the case

[haughty flicker]

play sub early

to trick your guild into giving you 4p

then go assa

[marsh fjord]

What if i mshit at sub bel

can i still pull it off

[haughty flicker]

probably

[golden loom]

just show this

[haughty flicker]

sim chart ono

also fb stonks

[golden loom]

and FB is unplayable without 4p!!!!!!!!!!!

gimme gimme

[nimble tartan]

can ulink me this sir

[red elbow]

before 2set i think ds is better in raid
but when 2+2?maybe fb will playable

[marsh fjord]

evokers/monk/warrior/rogue i think i have a pretty good shot of getting tier tokens.

our only evoker is a healer

[golden loom]

well someone sent it in our guild discord so idk where it actually is from but here u go champ

[grim jay]

I always only got either

[marsh fjord]

our monk is also a healer

[grim jay]

[golden loom]

there was no vault last season day 1 right?

[nimble tartan]

ww takin our loot again FUCK

[marsh fjord]

tell them they gotta bench the WW

and then snatch the tier

[grim jay]

I just meant in the first vault

[golden loom]

ohh

but yeah this vault change thingy is great

[grim jay]

Its decent ye

Kinda forced to do delves which might not suit everyone

[golden loom]

just full sending 8 delves on alts that I am never touching again probably

[marsh fjord]

I absolutely love this vault if you compare to how it was back in the day. but the vault can still be improved on.

[grim jay]

I will just do it on my dk

Doing delves this week and probably like 1 or 2 slots of m+ until I wanna play him

[golden loom]

warrior/DH are probably alts I am actually gonna end up playing but will probably get vault slots on DK+monk aswell

[marsh fjord]

When LFR opens is there even tier on it already?

[haughty flicker]

ye im just slamming delves on whatever i might want/need to play

[golden loom]

having fun playing a lot after months of raid logging

playing the game while there is gear to get is very very fun

[coral jewel]

we want energizing fibre yeh?

[balmy condor]

any of them are fine

[grim jay]

Yes

1-2 bosses usually

[marsh fjord]

Yeah second boss has tier

[grim jay]

With Tier

[marsh fjord]

3th boss also

[golden loom]

the fibre being a shit ton of 1 stat is pretty nice for gearing

[marsh fjord]

but i dont know how many bosses opens in the first wing

[grim jay]

The fiber being freely swappable is really nice for gearing

[golden loom]

yep

[grim jay]

3 most of the time iirc, but that doesnt mean those are the first 3

[marsh fjord]

yeah true

[grim jay]

(I will probably stick with mastery anyways, because lazy)

[golden loom]

gonna be swapping every week for 0,1%

[lusty narwhal]

2nd boss on ecodome is actually so troll for Sin lol

[grim jay]

Wait for the m+ andy vers swap

[red elbow]

😩 fb so boring but ds is dying

will blz buff ds?

[grim jay]

Doubt

[marsh fjord]

They prob nerf us 😄

[red elbow]

no

[lusty narwhal]

Unless they find a way to buff st and nerf us in m+ reliably then doubt lol

[golden loom]

so what ur saying is +20% aura buff on mutilate just for DS

[grim jay]

Its actually kinda easy to do, tho the result might not be satisfying

Within DS itself

[lusty narwhal]

It is easy on paper

but do i trust blizzard? no

[marsh fjord]

Only way to nerf m+ is to nerf CT more

or caustic

[grim jay]

Deathstalker carries a lot of the m+ weight

[lusty narwhal]

pretty much

[marsh fjord]

yeah and DS nerf

[lusty narwhal]

You mean all of it

[marsh fjord]

I see them nerfin the tier set back down again

[grim jay]

They could imo nerf aoe/funnel parts of DS and buff the St parts

[lusty narwhal]

Thatd be so troll

[marsh fjord]

we went from 30% to 60 i believe.

[balmy condor]

deathstalker is insanely weak

it's just bugged to shit

[grim jay]

Since they dont fix anything, gotta embrace it ig

[balmy condor]

if it wasn't for all the double triple dipping it wouldn't be all that great

[marsh fjord]

Im going to blizzcon next year gonna buy a VIP ticket and im gonna ask why there are so many bugs on rogue

[golden loom]

so what even is the singular focus stuff going on

where is the double dipping happening

[balmy condor]

well singular focus double dips mastery and double dips spec aura and caustic double dips spec aura and the tier sets essentially is double dipping darkest night + singular focus + lingering all together

[haughty flicker]

we love bugs in this house

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/aew-swerve-strickland-swerve-gif-6580847289950643647

[balmy condor]

so like if you dry shiv in aoe right

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/prison-fucking-prison-this-house-is-a-prison-this-house-is-a-fucking-prison-planet-bullshit-gif-4786637

[balmy condor]

you go from 30% lingering to 48%

you go from 60% dn to 96%

then you caustic spatter that, which is double dipping the spec aura which is like 18% or some shit

then that comes in again via singular focus

which gets buffed by mastery again

and buffed by spec aura again

and then buffed by tier set again

[nova kelp]

they'll keep pushing us into this envenom bot spec until the dryshiv dnvenom is like 50% of our total throughput

and then some fucking ret pally will still be like "can't you just switch to the add?"

[golden loom]

are we getting close to crashing the server when we shiv envenom in aoe

[lusty narwhal]

I have the choice between warrior and rogue

[uneven plume]

Do we not ambush after vanishing during DM window?

or mut better

[grim jay]

Thats not a choice

Idk when warrior was fun the last time

They really made arms weird

[lusty narwhal]

played arms last tier, wasnt too bad

[marsh fjord]

No you vanish after kingsbane for double flips

[lusty narwhal]

but this next tier its down so bad its not even funny lol

just needs a real damage buff

[uneven plume]

so it doesnt matter what you press

after vanish

[balmy condor]

correct

[marsh fjord]

yes

[balmy condor]

there's no interaction with ambush

so who cares

[uneven plume]

kk

[marsh fjord]

Just follow the 5+ rule

if you vanish and have 5+ combo points you just env

That wouldnt be the case ever if you do it properly

[upper atlas]

Do we know if 2p2p is worth playing ? Or play old until 4p

[nova kelp]

SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssim it?

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simulate-gif-8199108223823847654

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simulate-gif-8199108223823847654

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simulate-gif-8199108223823847654

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simulate-gif-8199108223823847654

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simulate-gif-8199108223823847654

[upper atlas]

Just came up with a great idea, I might have to sim it

[strange onyx]

Do we insta send Fatebound in new raid or we wait for 2p or 4p?

[covert jewel]

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/ladies-and-gentleman-we-got-him-gif-12313683

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simulate-gif-8199108223823847654

[peak fractal]

is DS bleed build still best spec for mythdungs?

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simulate-gif-8199108223823847654

[balmy condor]

yes

[marsh fjord]

I love this discord man

[grim jay]

It has the most based regulars

[red elbow]

is sim always shows the best run so its bit higher than usual for FB?

[grim jay]

Its an average of quite many runs

[red elbow]

ok…

[nova kelp]

it's always good to encourage self empowerment
but there are some caveats that are somewhat assumed are hard knowledge

eg, we would assume people know well enough to stick to stalker on a fight with adds

[balmy condor]

ERM

ACKTUALLIE

ITS THE MEAN

[nova kelp]

uhhh

what do you... MEAN?

[split maple]

If anyone got math jokes its whispyr

[red elbow]

what do you MEAN

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-hiddleston-loki-this-guy-gif-10466991

[elfin fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-burning-burn-hell-red-gif-4977777

[nova kelp]

god I love this meme, I hope it never dies

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-btvs-buffyverse-buffy-summers-sarah-michelle-gellar-gif-11382214078000967829

[elfin fossil]

Same, it’s the perfect creation

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-the-gentlemen-creepy-spooky-gif-3888943

the best episode

[grim jay]

Ngl I had to google mean

[nova kelp]

SELF EMPOWERMENT!

[grim jay]

I only know it as median

[nova kelp]

uh

[grim jay]

Tho its not the same

Ig

[nova kelp]

lol

[grim jay]

Mean could be the Median

But doesnt need to

[nova kelp]

well...

[grim jay]

Why do I do math now

[balmy condor]

I don't actually know if it's the mean or the median

it's one of those

I cba remembering

but I know it's not the average

[grim jay]

But it could be both aswell

[balmy condor]

and that's the point

[bright tartan]

math 1 rogues 0

[nova kelp]

mannnnnn this is one of the things I'm ALWAYS explaining to people at work

you guys are giving me bad feels

don't remind me of work

next thing someones gona be up in here like "if you average the %'s"

I'll fucking throw something

[grim jay]

Its just a translation issue for me in the first place

[balmy condor]

I mean I know the difference between average mean and median, I just don't remember what it reports cause it's basically all the same number in terms of sims

[grim jay]

And Whispyr doesnt know what the sim actually is, he knows the diff

[balmy condor]

25k iterations, all of them approach the same number

[nova kelp]

did you ever fix your bimodian shit?

[balmy condor]

yeah turns out the fix is just accepting that it's like that

cause it's not a logic issue

[nova kelp]

when you shared that image I had a small aneurysm hey

I was like "...wat?"

[balmy condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/779604839281721345/1402167702235123722/image.png?ex=6896e26f&is=689590ef&hm=b80d78e7a84338e4e643a67234f1bae078eca98027f83c2626c50c083eb8f6fd&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[shell plaza]

whispyr new hair colour for the patch?

[balmy condor]

no

[grim jay]

Take the screen pic

ÜBERSICHT MIT KI

[shell plaza]

ask the new gpt5

😮

[balmy condor]

yeh it's probably the median now that I think about it

mean doesn't make much sense

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-boomer-the-office-old-man-michael-scott-gif-15530652

imagine it's 2025, and you're still sharing a picture of a screen

[shell plaza]

this could never happen in the outlaw rogue discord

:/

[grim jay]

In school they told us that the MITTELWERT is worse than the Median in most cases

[balmy condor]

ye

[grim jay]

Its because I google on my workpc but I cant open discord there

[nova kelp]

ah, the only reasonable reason, this is fair. I take it back sir.

[grim jay]

Its like with corn

I can google the persons

But I cant open the videos

[grim jay]

My math teacher unironically only had one ball

[distant fog]

Guys ive cooked

[grim jay]

Idk how that got leaked

But you get the issue

[grim jay]

Please dont

[distant fog]

Void rogue

[grim jay]

Stop

[distant fog]

VOID ROGUE

[nova kelp]

OMG

VOID ROGUE

[distant fog]

its next release

[nova kelp]

no

[grim jay]

So basically sub rogue

[distant fog]

We have PRINCESS DELVE

VOID ROGUE

[nova kelp]

the next release, they'll DELETE sub rogue and replace it with bard

[distant fog]

yea but actually cool

[grim jay]

You spelled outlul wrong

[distant fog]

Princess delve = void rogue coming

You heard it here first

Next expac VOID ROGUE

[shell plaza]

can we just have a crossbow assa rogue :/

[distant fog]

[nova kelp]

nah they'll keep outlul coz there's like 9 people who play it

there's only 5 who play sub

[grim jay]

Go play hunter

[distant fog]

@nova kelp Hey

Thats not nice

[humble verge]

thats what new dh spec should be

[distant fog]

Theres at least 23 of outlaw

[humble verge]

the ye olde d3 demon hunter

[grim jay]

But none of them actually enjoy it

Nor are they eligible to vote yet

[distant fog]

We dont enjoy it cause the reward for playing outlaw drops every tier

[grim jay]

Thats blizz preparing for the removal

[distant fog]

Literally every tier outlaw feels worse

It goes up for a bit and down

[nova kelp]

rework sub into a ranged shuriken spec

[distant fog]

Since bfa

[shell plaza]

bring back combat rogue, remove sub and replace it with a ranged rogue spec - crossbow or pistols ❤️

[nova kelp]

give shadow dance back to the class tree

[grim jay]

Ranged rogue specs wont work

[distant fog]

https://tenor.com/view/not-stonks-profit-down-sad-frown-arms-crossed-gif-15684535

Ranged rogue ? You mean hunter ?

[nova kelp]

hot take:
shadow dance was better on sin/ol than it ever was on sub

[distant fog]

Rogue has too many defensives to be a ranged no ?

[sullen violet]

i remember in pandaria here was a throw knife meta in pvp 😄 was kinda hilarious

[grim jay]

It crosses with hunter, yes, and it will just kill the two other specs

[shell plaza]

other mmos and arpgs have ranged rogues and they work

but idk

[distant fog]

Arpg isnt an mmorpg

[grim jay]

They work different

[shell plaza]

ye

[distant fog]

Dodging is a core part of arpg

[nova kelp]

change sub to a 2 hander spec for more ninja feel

[distant fog]

So its balanced

[shell plaza]

i kinda liked the bow rogue in guild wars 2

[grim jay]

Ranged specs in the same class as melee specs inherently kill the melee specs outright

[shell plaza]

but in wow.. not sure

[distant fog]

@grim jay survival and feral want a word ?

Theyre very alice

Alive

Ive met many

I met a survival 3 years ago in SL s3

When bombs were broken

[grim jay]

When did you ever think "OH GREAT, I WILL TAKE THE FERAL OVER THE BOOMY/SURVIVAL OVER BM/MM?"

Spoiler: never

[distant fog]

Feral is actually goated though

[nova kelp]

sv in the final stage of slands was a whole vibe

a whole IRA vibe

but still

[grim jay]

Ye bcs it was broken

[nova kelp]

a whole vibe

[distant fog]

Sv just plays like a worse outlaw

Whcih is saying alot brw

[grim jay]

Still noone takes it over BOOMY

[distant fog]

Dunno i take the higher dps player

And m+ feral is actually disgusting good

[grim jay]

People take rangeds over melee most of the time

[distant fog]

If you can find defensives for them

Yea less clutter

[grim jay]

Melee will only be taken if its way better, which says a lot

[distant fog]

And more damage usually too ! Cause melee is all under ranged this season

[grim jay]

So a ranged spec in a melee class will functionally just be superior

[distant fog]

Halondrus melee

Disgusting time

[grim jay]

Look at enhance

Who takes enhance unless its broken

Compared to elemental

[distant fog]

https://youtu.be/uHTsaJRai24?si=pmIvyZs5EjYMvbLD

[grim jay]

Or even either if you got resto

Its just healer > ranged > melee

[worldly dock]

is the Peacemaker still a good option for us this season>?

[distant fog]

I wonder if theyll ever make bosses like SL s3 again

The bosses were legit insane hard

[grim jay]

Idk, boss design across the raid declined imo, last bosses aside

[distant fog]

Meanwhile gallywix would get solod by like 90% of shadowlands bosses

[marsh fjord]

Melee has always been harder on bosses then ranged imo

[distant fog]

The bosses in shadowlands s3 were the last good bosses

Well yea ranged mechanics are “ move to triangle “

[marsh fjord]

We are trying to figure out how to do DPS while doing the mechanic while ranged can just walk to spot. and dps still

[distant fog]

Melee mechanics are “ move this out of raid but leave last second to minimize downtime meanwhile spread from the other melee and make sure to pick this bomb up but not too long also die “

Ranged mechanics ive watched are just so ez

Move 45 meters to the left

Continue dps

Move 10 meters behind

Continue dps

Group for soak

Continue dps

[hoary remnant]

Sim it.

But it's not bad

[humble verge]

i see no difference

melee has no problems

[distant fog]

Mhm

[humble verge]

coming from a 10 year melee gamer

[distant fog]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-see-my-class-gif-15768348532634343334

Ive played every archtype in wow

[humble verge]

i havent

[distant fog]

The bing chillings of ranged is fun

Try bm hunter one day

[humble verge]

nah

cba leveling more chars

[red elbow]

if simc shows median than fb will ALWAYS start with lucky coins so that make sense

[normal mist]

With tier you'll always have the lucky coin on pull iirc

[red elbow]

yeah but i mean now without new 2set

before this i wonder why my dummy damage is always lower than simc result

[balmy condor]

thats..... not how that works

[normal kindle]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[red elbow]

i mean there is more than 50% runs that begin with lucky coin,so when sim pick the median run,it will start with lucky coin,if the amount of runs is big enough

…right?

[balmy condor]

no

that's not how statistics work

it's also not how the chance works to get lucky coin in your opener

like

there is just

fundamental lack of understanding

about how any of that works

[red elbow]

ok

[nova kelp]

I'd love if stats worked the way I wanted
that way 100 runs of a boss would guarantee I got the 1% mount drop

[balmy condor]

this is the distribution on fatebound for my character for example

that bell curve will look extremely similar for basically everyone

but you can't just say "oh the mean has lucky coin"

cause how are you supposed to know that

the dps spread on deathstalker looks similar

it's just the min is higher and the max is lower

cause the actual range is less

that's the rng

[haughty flicker]

i like bel curves

[red elbow]

ur right

[nova kelp]

I like bels curves

[haughty flicker]

i should be asleep

but i got distracted

all the transmog people are asleep so you guys have to tell me if im on to something or not

[balmy condor]

yeah, crack

[haughty flicker]

that would help probably

[keen spruce]

something about it is wrong

but i can't put my finger on it

[haughty flicker]

yeah i agree

[worldly dock]

Guys its ok to swich s2 tier for other pieces?

or should i sim first?

[golden loom]

The shoulders are uggo imo

[keen spruce]

shoulders a little extra but that's kind of the whole point of the mog

[haughty flicker]

wtf

fair though

[keen spruce]

maybe it's the tabard?

bland chest

maybe try the hood with it

lil more mysterious

[haughty flicker]

this was another version

[runic hinge]

Shoulders are doing too much

Need something else to stand out too imo

For some balance

Try a nice belt

[haughty flicker]

ye i think i do have to give up on the shoulders

[golden loom]

I am also not very creative with tmog so dont listen to me

[haughty flicker]

based though

[keen spruce]

i like this one better

i don't mind the shoulders

unique look

maybe try to get similar accents

in the bracers, belt, or boots

boots kinda risky

[haughty flicker]

yeah i wish there was a good candle belt

that would work really well

[keen spruce]

I kind of dig the white tabard

with that setup tbh

[marsh fjord]

Its really crazy that on assa im just dying to melee attacks of ky'veza ?? mode

[distant plinth]

Not creativ, but just degenerate to farm the rep for it

[balmy condor]

that seems pretty normal

[golden loom]

took like 3 hours

[distant plinth]

3? What kinda rng did u have

[golden loom]

when the world quest was bugged

[marsh fjord]

so shit man

[distant plinth]

Ahhhh

Bug abusers

[golden loom]

u were just in a raid force spawning stuff

[balmy condor]

it's been like that day 1 for all the delve bosses

just be like that

[hallow glade]

Using elusiveness?

[balmy condor]

we can't take melee hits or dots

[marsh fjord]

no cheat death

you think elusiveness is the play?

[haughty flicker]

cheat is useless on that fight

[hallow glade]

Yes

[haughty flicker]

doesnt work on anything

[balmy condor]

[hallow glade]

She kills you through cheat

[balmy condor]

bro no way

[marsh fjord]

yeah true actually LMAO

[hallow glade]

There is nothing to cheat on the fight

[haughty flicker]

elusiveness is op

as fuck

[marsh fjord]

[hallow glade]

And even if you could she would insta kill you anyways

[haughty flicker]

ye the execute

[marsh fjord]

yeah because of the 10% execute

i forgot actually

[hallow glade]

Yeah and even then

Everything hits for 47mil

[haughty flicker]

take shadowheart

[balmy condor]

!fotm

[prisma monolith]

FOTM Info

• Fatebound is not playable in any AoE situation, and ESPECIALLY not in Mythic+. Don't bother.

• Tuning is nowhere near done and realistically won't be until mid-September; unless you enjoy playing rogue there is no point in you rerolling at this time, we don't bring anything impactful (e.g big aoe stops/party buff) to the group

• PTR sheets and PTR sims are borderline misinformation with how rapidly things are changing and most sims are not currently updated at this time. Again, this will fix itself as we get deeper into the patch and things solidify, but judging a reroll off of PTR tier lists and random sims or seeing one guy pump super hard on a stream is not indicative of anything.

[hallow glade]

^

LMAO

[marsh fjord]

[autumn shoal]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[hallow glade]

you kill it with elusiveness easy

[marsh fjord]

32% is my best try

[hallow glade]

That’s execute you’re almost there

[marsh fjord]

and i didnt even die btw

i used vanish

because of FB

and she dissapeared

[hallow glade]

Pog

She is a rogue too dummy

She vanished

[marsh fjord]

[hallow glade]

Not gonna let you sap her

[haughty flicker]

smh shouldve used detection

[marsh fjord]

What i hate tghe most

is that i have to wait 30/40 seconds

because KB doesnt reset

after you die

[hallow glade]

I stopped trying as sub because you have to wait 1:15 or so

[marsh fjord]

Why that even is a thing

[hallow glade]

Idek

[marsh fjord]

just baffles me

kek

[hallow glade]

My guildies yell at me when I ask them to wait

[marsh fjord]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[haughty flicker]

every time i press flag its a 50/50 shot the raid instantly blows up

[balmy condor]

If you had 4 piece it would be up earlier :)

[haughty flicker]

so i have to go in chat 1m cds pls

[marsh fjord]

Give me 4p

[balmy condor]

Give me head

Wait

[marsh fjord]

Sure

https://tenor.com/view/my-girl-seal-friendship-its-a-deal-seal-spit-gif-17005706

[balmy condor]

[marsh fjord]

Things i would do for 4p

you aint even ready for that

[fickle fossil]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1402339140078665841/Dark_v2_1.jpg

[haughty flicker]

!uppies

[runic hinge]

[haughty flicker]

[runic hinge]

[spice surge]

Thats some disc type shit my dude

[quiet oar]

Real

[haughty flicker]

exposed as a disc enjoyer

[marsh fjord]

8%

:((((((((((

i can cry

[gaunt sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/i-volunteer-tribute-hunger-games-gif-15058425

[dry shoal]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rotund oak]

with ur hair u could score from an outer orbit,like pluto

[balmy condor]

[grim jay]

Did you ever think about getting a Monster tattoo?

[balmy condor]

No

[grim jay]

Ive seen one today and the dedication is real

Guy had pictures of that, a Monster style car and a Monster wall in his house

[spice surge]

Imagine paying money to turn into an advertisement

[arctic tusk]

was fatebound opener more scuffed/confusing before? cuz I just read up on it and its basically the exact same as deathstalker with a slight move in shiv

[grim jay]

Its insane right

Some peoples whole identity is a brand

Tho who knows, maybe Monster saved his life.

It atleast sometimes saves my work days

[near valley]

bro has anyone killed Nexus Princess as Sin yet?

[ashen orbit]

do we play fatebound now? wowhead says the other one clears in all content still

[arctic tusk]

its better dps in only ST

[ashen orbit]

aaarh

[arctic tusk]

and literally only 1 character the whole fight

but its not that muich of a diff

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ashen orbit]

fair, and yeah fatebound doesnt seem that much harder, but whispyr has a long video explaining all parts

so that likely has the answer

[compact marten]

hello best assa talents for S3 ?

[grim jay]

Check the guide

[hallow glade]

I did a few hours ago

[near valley]

Pls share your wisdom

I feel like I'm at the mercy of Brann a lot of the time

[gaunt sigil]

Just don’t get hit

[hallow glade]

Healer brann, elusiveness

Cloak/evasion every portal suck

Crimson and feint pretty often

Remember the order of the clones spawning

[distant fog]

Dude im too stupid for the clones

My adhd acts up

[near valley]

It's up for every suck?

[distant fog]

And i get distracted by a fly

Wait are you saying ? Princess or ?? Princes

Cause ? Is ez but ?? Is a beast

[near valley]

But tbf my real issue is getting ran through if brann decides to dropp the health pots in africa

[distant fog]

For ?? Or ?

Im guessing ?? Tier cause ? Tier does no dmg

[near valley]

Yes ??

[distant fog]

Gotta run leech and proc feint during suck

You just have to spread your pots out

[hallow glade]

Nope

[distant fog]

Dunno though i cant focus 9 minutes for the princess

Im like half way through and i forget theres 6 shadows

Brain only count up to 5

[hallow glade]

Cloak one -> evasion -> pray to God -> cycle repeats

[near valley]

Yeah the pray to God step is what's kicking my ass

Did you run the leech fatebound talent or the other one?

[sick scarab]

guys anyone using LE kingsbane tracker ?

[hallow glade]

Need to use feint crimson and bran healing pot

[distant fog]

Best rogue class is probably outlaw

[hallow glade]

Outlaw’s evasion is so good it dodges a raid spot

[near valley]

Power at a cost type moment

[near valley]

Most likely but I cba if I end up resetting the boss with vanish during a good pull

[distant fog]

Ye i g

I just cba doing that boss

My old unc ass cant handle the flashing shadows

[near valley]

I like a challenge during this downtime till season starts

[hallow glade]

If you want vanish the boss on pull for lucky coin and never press it

It’s a fight of attrition

[grim jay]

Sub

[near valley]

Ty sensei

[normal mist]

So many weird ways to say that assassination is the best

[near valley]

Best rogue spec is feral

Everyone knows that

Smh

[distant fog]

Feral is just assassin for kids

Or furries actually

[hallow glade]

well Kyveza doesn’t run away from you in your cds as sin

[near valley]

Big true

[hallow glade]

So it’s got that going for it

[distant fog]

https://tenor.com/view/puss-puss-in-boots-wink-salute-puss-in-boots-the-last-wish-gif-27434672

[near valley]

Shit was annoying when I did it on sub at first

[hallow glade]

I saw shindig do it as sub he held cds for a little while ig to build threat

[near valley]

Didn't even know SD counts as an aggro drop

[grim jay]

You are yellow

Its fine

[grim jay]

Maybe overall, but for delves?

[distant fog]

Wuz wrong with yellow

[grim jay]

Everything

[distant fog]

Nothing

Outlaw is the perfect class

[grim jay]

#outlaw

You are welcome

[distant fog]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[normal mist]

I never played another spec in delves so assassination is the best

[humble verge]

wait wtf

i cant

cancel DN?

[distant fog]

Better right click dat shit

[humble verge]

i cant

[spice surge]

Why would you

[humble verge]

new pack

i cab

cba

[distant fog]

I should ve asleep

[spice surge]

What

[distant fog]

I have a cake to pick up tomorrow

And a purse apparently

Sigh

[near valley]

He cba

[spice surge]

Cba doing damage or what

[near valley]

Sometimes dps'ing takes a lot on ur mental

Or something

Cba to do dmg is low key a mood

[humble verge]

no, i just dont wanna HAVE to envenom in opener, just ambush to get DS

[spice surge]

What

Just ambush then

[humble verge]

yeah

i laready do ambush

but then i have

DS

• DN buff

that i have to remove

[spice surge]

No

[humble verge]

eys

yes

[spice surge]

Why would you need to remove it

[humble verge]

do yo uneed me to go on dummies

and shwo u

[spice surge]

Darkest night is what you want

[humble verge]

I WANNA REMOVE IT BECAUSE I DONT WANNA GO INTO A NEW PACK WITH DN

BECAUSE I DONT NEED TO HIT 7 CP

WHEN IM DOING OPENER

[hallow glade]

Huh

[golden loom]

as long as u have a mark on target who cares

what

[humble verge]

it jsut annoys me

[hallow glade]

You can just ignore it?

[humble verge]

no

i cant ignore it

[hallow glade]

If you want

[humble verge]

cause i have to 7cp

to get rid of it

thats what im trying to say

you cant ignroe it

[hallow glade]

I am so confused

[humble verge]

ok so

[golden loom]

we understand what u mean

[humble verge]

you know how

in every fight

i have like

an addiction

to always open with ambush

thats why i remove DN

before every fight

[golden loom]

but its fine to have mark + dn...

[spice surge]

That makes no sense

[humble verge]

yeah but

[spice surge]

Just ambush with DN

[humble verge]

i just dont want to bother with it

because

i will still have DN

at the end

[hallow glade]

What 2 seasons of deathstalker does to a mf

[humble verge]

because ill be doing my standard opener

which then at the end

id be getting dn

but now i wont at all

it just makes sense in my brain

to remove DN prefight

this is me when i remove DN

[worldly dock]

Lilly trinket from Echo is like a House of Card right?

[humble verge]

yes

[worldly dock]

nice i will upg it asap

[humble verge]

i would wait

[worldly dock]

got peacemaker and lillly

[humble verge]

dang wtf

well i got signet on my main and lily on this nelf

[hallow glade]

Let me hold those king

[worldly dock]

well idk if i should upg lilly or not yet

and peacemaker

both 691

[hallow glade]

It’s carved so it’s kinda w/e

[near valley]

Free will is a hell of a thing ain't it

[humble verge]

yes

Eleem just doesnt get it

[golden loom]

@humble verge

[humble verge]

no but the thing is

i have done this since season 1 dawg

[worldly dock]

Guys whats with Starlight sparkling dust?

[humble verge]

but i dont macro it

[worldly dock]

have no ideea

[humble verge]

i literally go and click it on my buffs

[humble verge]

im the bug

wait so macroing it doesnt even woirk

[distant fog]

Imagine

[near valley]

Net gain in aoe but net negative on his mental

[distant fog]

Wasting years

Of time

Clicking button

[humble verge]

years?

i spend like

half a second

clicking that shit

[golden loom]

idk I have never clicked off dn and never will

[spice surge]

Blizzard trying to save you from yourself

[unique lake]

Oh gg bro i got 3 legs whike i dropped it from'WB

[worldly dock]

3 legs wtf...:))

yeah... happens sometimes

[unique lake]

Yes lol

[broken lion]

yall what is the fastest t8 dungeon for us to clear

[humble verge]

fungal, sidestreet

theres 1 moreb

[broken lion]

yeah I thought fungal

[humble verge]

but forgor name

wait

we could actually get full heroic tier set first week

[grim jay]

He is right tho

[golden loom]

dread pit is good atm

[grim jay]

Ive heard one of the new ones is nearly entirely stealthable

Didnt try tho

[golden loom]

Uberscot "Stephen A of Ravenholdt"

[grim jay]

Im pretty sure you will live with it just fine

You have to anyways

[grim jay]

[worldly dock]

how do we craft that cloak gem? whats the name?

[grim jay]

Pure smth smth

[golden loom]

Lavar the goat

[worldly dock]

ty

[lavish bane]

hey guys, sorry for this noob question, but, what is the current meta build for assa on m+ that people are calling meta?

Would it be the "high keys" build listed here? https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-mythic-plus-tips?area=area_2

[golden loom]

!build

[grim jay]

Just make a public order with the lowest quality items and 1k

[golden loom]

fuck

[lavish bane]

!build

[golden loom]

!bleed

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +20's or higher, you should play bleed
3. Even if you're doing higher, you should probably play bleed
4. No, Fatebound is not good, you play Deathstalker in every key.

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• 11.2/Season 3: Bleed has gotten stronger through some buffs and the single target damage you get from singular focus is ridiculously good with the tier set. During PTR testing many high end rogues were just playing bleed everywhere.
• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave build is mainly for boss damage (note: not prio, there is no significant difference in prio). Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and some bosses during season 2 were not possible on high keys otherwise. It remains to be seen what push keys in Season 3 will bring in that regard.
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal. Rookery is not in the rotation in Season 3, and there are a lot of AoE dungeons. Dawnbreaker might be a candidate, but unsure currently.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead outside of low target cleave and higher target AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage. At the end of the day, the builds are extremely similar, but Bleed is looking to simply be the best.

[grim jay]

Ancient seli is typing

What will he say

[marble hemlock]

well, the entire point of distinction between the 2, is that it depends quite heavily what content you plan on doing. if youre just doing 10s-12s, the bleed build is likely best. if you plan on pushing highkleys, like 18+, then you might wanna swap to the hybrid one

[compact marten]

can u send a link or tag a chanel please new here

[spice surge]

Next season its just bleed all the way anyway

[grim jay]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[grim jay]

#assassination-faq

[marble hemlock]

in s2 there was a change for the highkey players in their build. might not end up being the case in s3, nobody really knows yet

[lavish bane]

my goal for this season is like 16, so i believe bleed is the way, right?

[marble hemlock]

very very likely, yes

[lavish bane]

ty all ❤️

[marble hemlock]

i should rename the builds tho on the guide

[grim jay]

Dont underestimate the needless cooking

[grim jay]

Rename them to fruits

Bleed would definitely be cherry

[golden loom]

tomato build

[marble hemlock]

naming should be fixed now/soon

[marble hemlock]

no

[rotund oak]

''ancient''

[grim jay]

He is the only one thats remotely close to you in age

[arctic tusk]

how many combo points are we envenoming?

asssuming 5 for btoh

talents still

[spice surge]

Yes

[arctic tusk]

aside from darkest night 👍

[rotund oak]

we coinflippin' but yes

DN on 7

[humble verge]

damn wtf

delve prices are expensive

[lean topaz]

should I use weathered crests to get 675 gear? or are they worth saving?

[rotund oak]

its how u become a millionaire

[humble verge]

200k for a tier 8

to afk

is insane

[golden loom]

why the fk are u getting boosted through delves

LMAO

[humble verge]

no

not me

im just looking at prices

[golden loom]

ah

[humble verge]

i couldve made like

3m from doing it

instead of doing 27 of them with my guildie

[golden loom]

I've done 16 tier 8s so far today on my noob dh/warrior

[humble verge]

im still missing like

8? m0

atleast

i did 4 m0 on my nelf today

missing 2 on my alt and 4 on my main

nvm 10 then but

if u dont account that i need to do 2 extra for no loot

kinda poopy

[glad ruin]

Is it worth breaking up the old 4 set bonus for the new gear?

[humble verge]

no idea

i havent even upgraded the gear ive gotten yet lol

[glad ruin]

I got new m0 shoulders starting at 681