assassination

[normal mist]

Last time someone said "trust me on this!!" He was playing instant poison

[gaunt sigil]

Lmao. If it genuinely does no damage than it’s bugged but most of the time someone just isn’t using it properly

[wanton remnant]

Is there any fatebound builds out for the st fights in raid?

[gaunt sigil]

Yes on wowhead

[brave comet]

did the bleed M+ build change?

[gaunt sigil]

I wanna say it’s front page of the wowhead guide

[gaunt sigil]

No just expect less CT damage really

[vast pond]

We should be spending our carved crests, right?

[feral scaffold]

if im focusing on raid which hero talent do i want

[red schooner]

fight dependent

[feral scaffold]

i hate this

ty

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah any fight with more than one target is pretty much guaranteed to be Deathstalker

Unless some fight randomly aligns insanely well with 1:30 DM

[jagged tangle]

hey guys, i started playing again 3 days ago and have a season 2 tierset but only ilv 649, should i swap them with heroic dungeon or m0 gear?

[gaunt sigil]

So you’re gonna probably want a 1:30 trink and a 2:00 trink for diff fights

It’s probably best to just go for ilvl rn

There is maybe a situation where it’s not better but it’s more than likely just best to equip highest ilvl in slot for now.

[jagged tangle]

okii ty for ur answer

[gaunt sigil]

[kindred breach]

Guys anyone knows if m0 reset is weekly or daily?

i need my fix

[red schooner]

Weekly

[balmy condor]

Weekly

[kindred breach]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-funny-gif-25164834

[feral scaffold]

and can anyone direct me to good assasination rogue WA for tracking garrote, rupture envenom and deathstalker

[red schooner]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[golden loom]

signet dropping in the m0... its just calling to me

the voices

[gaunt sigil]

I got 2 belts from world boss and world quest

Most useless week for my warrior ever

[golden loom]

got pants from world boss

but realized I forgot to upgrade my myth track tier helm before season ended

so cant equip them anyways

[spice spire]

You’re meant to play deathstalker always king

Don’t listen to the fatebound truthers

2m class

[feral scaffold]

dumb question, do i still use my normal plater if i have one of the platers here?

[golden loom]

I am so tired of thinking about mastery bossman..

[spice spire]

I’ve never thought in my life big dog

Stay woke

[golden loom]

Holy guacamole!

[eternal sandal]

i took a small break last season, since when can i not remove Darkest night aura? its really throwing my dungeoning off

[royal lantern]

look at his pfp

george never had a single thought

[spice spire]

He just like me

[golden loom]

If you click on George

U see that he is literally

Thinking atm

Smart fella

[ripe umbra]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[analog field]

How many times can we upgrade the cloak ? is it timegated or we can grind ?

[normal mist]

TIMEGATED

caps

[analog field]

ok thought i saw someone with 714

[quaint spindle]

woot

[tulip tiger]

Hey I got a question for sin rogues out there. Im using the hybrid build with causic splatter. I feel like im spending way too much time tab targeting to apply garote and rupture onto targets. Should I not be doing that? Im talented into IC. Should I be spending more time dumping envenoment with poison bombs instead?

[analog field]

!ic

[normal mist]

if you're playing hybrid you really just want 5 ruptures in aoe for scent and pump envenoms on caustic

but dont play hybrid

[real onyx]

Can anyone explain why DS ST uses shiv after deathbound but FB ST uses shift before deathbound on the wowhead guide?

[tulip tiger]

@normal mist what build would you recommend for M+?

[normal mist]

Bleed

[fallow canopy]

FB wants to buff the tail damage from using DM

[hallow glade]

shiv buffs fatebound tails

[real onyx]

ohhhh

thanks guys

[real onyx]

I cant seem to find the talent that says above shiv buffing it

I thought db was only affected by finishing moves

sry just cant find the tooltip

[fallow canopy]

Coin is cosmic damage, meaning it has nature damage in it

Shiv buffs nature damage

[tight ginkgo]

bruh think about being stabbed with a poisoned knife and then someone flips a coin and it lands on tails that'd hurt me too

[golden loom]

And then coin deals a cosmic amount of damage

And when you start shouting at him you get kicked in the mouth

[tight ginkgo]

[royal lantern]

Just did a dungeon

there was a evoker

and on the first pull i noticed ebon might on me

i feel violated

[mental trout]

Got the ok from the wife to game all night, time to deep dive ass rogue. @balmy condor lmk when that video drops haha

[deft shard]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[tulip tiger]

@normal mist huge diff thanks!

[deft shard]

nothing as change for the weak auras in 11.2?

[real onyx]

OHHHH nice ty

[normal mist]

pog

[pure moth]

Nice. What did u change?

[normal mist]

hybrid to bleed

[slow snow]

Hybrid is bait imo

[shell plaza]

whats the easiest / fastest delve to run atm ?

[pure moth]

Ah

[slow snow]

Fungal folly has always been a quick one

[main bridge]

Side street is very fast

[analog field]

the new one is also good

[tulip tiger]

I was just using a hybrid build in M+ Royal told me to switch to bleed

[shell plaza]

thx a lot ❤️

[slow snow]

Some buddies were min maxing delve clears last night lol

[eternal sandal]

why can i not cancel darkest night as a DS guys?

[spice surge]

You dont really want to

[main bridge]

Why do people keep asking about this

Who suggested it

[eternal sandal]

im asking casue i used to and now i cant

[royal lantern]

......why did you cancle it? genuine question lol

[kindred breach]

Yeah i'm confused too lmao

[royal lantern]

DN is literally the payoff of the tree lol

[slow snow]

I think people wrongly assume that you gain a lot of dmg going through your DSM stacks

And when you are stuck at 3 stacks until you clear your DN they think thats a big loss

[eternal sandal]

no was just an honest question casue its weird that they would change it

[acoustic roost]

inqurining minds want to know why you would cancel it though

[main bridge]

Maybe they noticed people doing it and wanted to help them

[grim jay]

Had the same thought reading it

[analog field]

it was the first time i saw this thing and ttoday 5 people asked xd

[real onyx]

kingsbane doesnt get duped by DM does it

[spice surge]

As sub you could do it in aoe, but ig not anymore. Nobody plays that anyway

[spice surge]

It does not, but the poisons that amp it does

[real onyx]

TY ❤️

[glass ice]

yo, quick Q. Does the monk mystic touch (8% more phys damage) work on bleeds?

[spice surge]

Its 5%

[kindred breach]

yes

[spice surge]

But yes

[real onyx]

so does DM dup count as applying a new poison

the wording isn't clear to me

[glass ice]

kk, ty

[spice surge]

Yes

[real onyx]

awesome

super helpful

[kindred breach]

DM dupe the poison u got on the target so its like u have 2 tic of poison for each tic

[spice surge]

Instead of deadly poison hitting once, its now hitting twice

[slow snow]

This is why you can only let 1 gcd tops inbtwn DM and KB

[hollow raptor]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[radiant yoke]

Is there an updated resource like bloodmallet to see trinkets compared per spec

[vestal wren]

follow the link just above your message and click on one of the links for the trinket simulations

[cursive root]

fungal folly with the lost miner story variant is fastest

[acoustic roost]

plus one of the easier ones since you can have the spores kill things for you

[feral scaffold]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[naive crescent]

Stealthing thru tek rezan for the crate scenario can be finished pretty consistently in 3-4 minutes

[vestal wren]

Fungal foly and slush are my facorites, both (usually) quick

[sand aurora]

in m+ do we CT on ST?

[analog field]

bleed build yes

[grim jay]

With bleed ye

[grim jay]

Dang you

You even typed more letters

Im getting old

[analog field]

doing the most boring quest in karesh so i have to find sth else to supplement

[sand aurora]

can you link me the bleed build pls

or is it on wowhead

[analog field]

yeh it is but let me link

[sand aurora]

thanks

[analog field]

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYmZMzMmBAAAAAAYWmxsMDAAAAAAttMzMYmBzMzysMYMmZmZmZmZYzyYGgNzyADYJYbYCMsMA

[sand aurora]

which build is best for m+?

[analog field]

this one by far (maybe when doing 22's you can change)

[dim rover]

Hi guys we still use deathstalker or we change to fatebound ?

[analog field]

aoe is deathstalker but ST and fights with scarce adds FB better

[dim rover]

so for M+ deathstalker still better I see

cheers

[tough gorge]

is there a vault bug with delves? my tier 5 delve says will give ilvl 694 gear

then below it says improve to ilvl 688 if i do a tier 6 delve lol

[wary light]

Is splatter bugged atm?

[tough gorge]

spatter isnt bugged, works normal for me

[wary light]

weird

[analog field]

usually it is just wrong poison applied

[elfin fossil]

What fibre are we choosing?

[normal mist]

whatever

[royal lantern]

idk, just grabbed mastery and called it a day

[vast pond]

Two very noob questions, but in AoE do we hold a shiv so we can use 2 when deathmark comes back up? And during our shiv window (and shiv/deathmark) we reapply bleeds if they are falling off, right? We aren't just sending envenoms?

[balmy condor]

In theory yes, but if you’re playing bleed it’s less important

You are reapplying bleeds yes

[vast pond]

Thanks!

[feral scaffold]

whos got a WA so i remember to always have posions on

[royal lantern]

just look up poison in wago and it will throw 30 different ones at you

[scarlet orbit]

@balmy condor On your Fatebound opener Pic.
Would be a "mut if not on 5cp" like in the ds picture better because you can get 5 cp from 1 mut as fatebound

[analog field]

the funny thing is that before rupture , people were asking if i need 5 cp for rupture or send with 3 😛

and now is the opposite

[balmy condor]

yah I guess

I'm trying not to overload the timelines with all sorts of fucking "mut if not 5" "fok if gar", "gar if 3.5"

but I guess it's unavoidable

[scarlet orbit]

Not sure if a disclaimer alla finishing rules still apply in your opener works better to not visual bloat it

People would need to read it tho

[balmy condor]

that is the problem yes

how about this

[haughty flicker]

but it doesnt say to mut twice so i just rupture on 3 now

[balmy condor]

refresh the page, what about that

[radiant yoke]

Already got my lily, now just need the new set

Or is already good to try

[balmy condor]

fatebound is better without anything

[scarlet orbit]

Ok im maybe not the best one to ask if its better now xD

[balmy condor]

hm

[scarlet orbit]

I cannt click singletarget for some reason on my pc

[balmy condor]

yeah when the buttons aren't selected they collapse

that's fun

[scarlet orbit]

Was a error on my site on another browser i can click it but its still collapse when they are uncheckt

[balmy condor]

are you on chrome

[haughty flicker]

seems good yeah

hard to misinterpret that surely

cursed though

[scarlet orbit]

Yes

[fervent rune]

Do we still run FB in st before 4pc?

[balmy condor]

there's some backend stuff we're sorting through atm so if there's weird formatting stuff it's helpful to know

[balmy condor]

yes

[fervent rune]

okay ty

also do we track the coins in FB?

[haughty flicker]

i do just for big dopamine

[fervent rune]

if so any good WAs

[haughty flicker]

but you dont change your gameplay based on what coins you flip so it doesnt really matter

[balmy condor]

we track it for fun, not for rotation

[fervent rune]

alright ty again

[weary spear]

Didn’t someone say this yesterday

Why do people wanna play without a hero talent

[thorn thorn]

Might be a sub thing

[haughty flicker]

well tbf i'd want to play without deathstalker too

[mental trout]

hmm looks like my WA is missing a bar to show you remaining time in a stealth window =/

[haughty flicker]

no sub player has ever even filled out the deathstalker tree much less played it

[thorn thorn]

Real

[obsidian harbor]

Hi guys, sorry but M+ spec on wowhead is the right one?

[acoustic roost]

yes

[thorn thorn]

But what if they did

[obsidian harbor]

It play m+ without kingsbande?

[acoustic roost]

yes. its the bleed build

[hexed root]

the new archival one was super easy today

[weary spear]

Kb sucks ass

[mental trout]

gone are the days of sniping with serrated bone spike aye

[haughty flicker]

Then God help them

[obsidian harbor]

So no Amplifying Poison and no Kingsbane? 🤔

[strange python]

when do i drop s2 tier set

[analog field]

asap

[acoustic roost]

when the robot tells you to or when you feel like it

[obsidian harbor]

So don't use envenom for clear combo, only bleeding dot?

[normal mist]

envenom is still part of the rotation

[frigid crypt]

Also keep CT up in ST on bleed build, had to point that optimization out to a friend who usually plays hybrid

[broken sandal]

am confused, are we using cold blood for the kingsbane hit, or using after kingsbane, vanish then use mutilate, sequence on wowhead isnt clear to me.... assume use it for KB

[normal mist]

Cold Blood only affects envenom

[broken sandal]

oh , lol didnt even read its changes, ty

[haughty flicker]

Yeah it's just macroed to kingsbane because you'll always use it there

So saves a bind is all

[weary spear]

Go read wowhead guide first

[dark quiver]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[mental trout]

damn they made ass rogue pretty user friendly now

alot easier then back in bfa/shadowlands

[raw marlin]

Is whispyrs plater updated for s3?

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[visual crypt]

What talent would you recommend swapping in the wowhead m+ default build if I'd like to run Iron Wire?

[stark halo]

soooo how many fights in the new raid are purely single target? Looking like we will be cleaving quite a bit

[tight condor]

yeah im having this weird thing now

[balmy condor]

yes I am aware

[glacial flare]

anything in particular one needs to do access Eco-dome dungeon on an alt? I've done all campaign quests on main and got cloak on alt but the instance isnt accessible yet.

[tight condor]

Do we macro only CB to kingsbane, or also vanish?

[balmy condor]

only cb

[buoyant gull]

bit confused when to use ambush over mutilate in the bleed spec in m+

[analog field]

it's the same spell

[balmy condor]

you use ambush when you can, and mutilate when you can't

[analog field]

mutilate changes to ambush

[buoyant gull]

oh, I read the guides saying to trigger the deathstalker buff with ambush then use mutilate for cp, so thought i had to specifically drag that to the bar haha

but alright, that makes more sense

[hasty viper]

Is it intended for the Lily to be in the BiS place instead of Ritual Forge on the Wowhead Main Page Guide?

[balmy condor]

yes

[mental trout]

is there a condition in order for shiv to cleave? or does it always

[balmy condor]

being talented into arterial precision

[hasty viper]

Is it because Lily is easier to farm/get?

[silent compass]

I feel completely lost with the new season 😭

[balmy condor]

no, you're looking at the single target build

[mental trout]

thanks

[hasty viper]

Ahhh okay thanks man, I might be kind of blind ;D

[silent compass]

Do i need to craft daggers or bracers

[balmy condor]

both

[tight oracle]

both

[balmy condor]

(the same as last season, it's 2 embellishments)

[silent compass]

OOH thanks

[tight oracle]

joined the disc after looking at icyveins stat guide and wondereed why its so different prio wise from wowhead

[balmy condor]

what's different about it

they're both ilvl >>>>>> mast > crit, no?

[tight oracle]

icy veins has crit>mast>haste

[balmy condor]

whack

[silent compass]

Also i swapped to geforce and now my hekili for some reason not showing shiv, any idea why?

[haughty flicker]

nvidia hates hekili

[tight oracle]

i was also being very dyslexic i thought wowhead was mast/haste/crit

[balmy condor]

might want to ask in hekili's discord

[silent compass]

My pc busted and now i cant even use any UI addons

[silent compass]

Aity!

[hasty viper]

Time to get the unfiltered experience of the game

[tight oracle]

wasnt that one of the addons that was going to stop working after the update?

[silent compass]

It feels dead inside

I hate the hp bars

[hasty viper]

Oh wait plater doesn't work?

Burn the pc, nothing of value can be found in there

[silent compass]

Either it doesent or i just dont know how to use it

I took this picture today

I play like this sadly

[coral ibex]

yea nobody should be forced to take phone pictures of a monitor in 2025

[silent compass]

I cant even download discord or whatsapp on this pc

[silent compass]

I cant pc bad

[coral ibex]

how can you install wow but not discord

that seems impossible

[silent compass]

Oh discord banned here

[raw marlin]

how can you play wow but not take screenshot

[silent compass]

And im not gonna download dpi on this pc

[balmy condor]

[silent compass]

Im using vpn to chat

[hasty viper]

Oh holy

[balmy condor]

it keeps getting worse

[silent compass]

YUP Turkey moment

I havent downloaded DPI onto my 10y.o pc

Gotta do it tmrw

[hasty viper]

Man some people got it rough

[silent compass]

Had to buy geforce now to play wow

[silent compass]

Well my laptops got cooked so

I had no other choice

I want to play in this raid so bad

[hasty viper]

Hope you can get everything set up and working then!

[silent compass]

All looks good for now

Only bad thing is…

15’ screen

Smol

[hasty viper]

People play on steam deck, you can power thru

[silent compass]

Nah im not getting anything im going to study abroad in october just gonna get a desktop there

[hasty viper]

My daily loot for first day of patch (EU) is 3 Haste/Mast rings and 2 pairs of boots, feels extremely bad lmao

[silent compass]

Just gotta hang tight for 1.5-2 months

[hasty viper]

I guess the rings are alr

Weird question, is Seaforium Pacemaker nerfed only on ,,New" drops or was it retroactively nerfed?

[raw marlin]

this isnt poe

[hasty viper]

Don't know what that means honestly last time I've played poe was in 2015

[balmy condor]

everything is always retroactive

[hasty viper]

Is what I assumed but wanted to be sure

[tough gorge]

can we improve the delve belt? I got a champ belt and can make it surpass the delve belt, but dont want to if champ belt maxed loses to belt

[balmy condor]

sim

[tough gorge]

i just mean in ilvl

[balmy condor]

it caps at 701

[hasty viper]

What's your current ilvl on the belt

[tough gorge]

new belt 704, delve belt 70

701

[hasty viper]

Well then it doesn't go up anymore

[tough gorge]

delve belt capped at 701?

[hasty viper]

Ye

[tough gorge]

okay, thanks

every champ gear item i get is crit mast lol

[hasty viper]

Gonna have to finally pay for that sim subscription, I spend more time there than in game

[buoyant herald]

the true victory is learning to be more carefree

whats that meme

[hasty viper]

Nah that 0,1% difference is what's keeping me from being the best rogue trust

[hasty viper]

Number go up, me happy

[rare swift]

What fiber do we want in our cloaks?

[balmy condor]

the tastiest one

[hasty viper]

Mastery

[balmy condor]

realisitically doesn't matter

put a vers one in there and then enchant mastery on your rings

put a mast one in there and then enchant vers on your rings

[hasty viper]

Ye I guess there could be an argument made for it to be basically whatever as long as it sims good

[balmy condor]

there's like 3500 stat budget that you can just shuffle around like a cup game and none of it is really important

[hasty viper]

What if I'm happy being in the middle tho, not everyone min maxing has to be miserable

[buoyant herald]

im just joking around

i sim way too much too

[hasty viper]

That's what rogues do

[buoyant herald]

but i have a friend's login so at least its fast lol

[balmy condor]

I sim for APL and then I don't sim

[rare swift]

Anyone else get the feeling that playing with the cloak is just a handicap? I’m going natty

[buoyant herald]

whispyr just presses buttons

[balmy condor]

that's based

[hasty viper]

Nah but it looks cool

[west crown]

Any changes to that with tier? I know you've touched on it before just wondering if you've found anything

[hasty viper]

Imo the better thing to take off is your pants, they seem to get in the way of footwork

[balmy condor]

bro I legit just cba anymore, I used to sim my character every 2-3 days, but what's the fucking point anymore

craft with no missive, put in random gems I have laying around in my bag

yolo

[hasty viper]

But crafting with no missive is based

[balmy condor]

no

[hasty viper]

Just adjust the stats based on what you get

[buoyant herald]

spend 30 mins simming to identify a 0.2% dps increase that costs you 10000g in re-enchanting and gemming

[balmy condor]

real

[buoyant herald]

i get it

if you've got the time and interest then go ham but yeah at some point you gotta realise you're doing it for fun and not improvement 90% of the time

[hasty viper]

I have done all my crafts with no missives both seasons of TWW and somehow always hit Crit/Mastery, my guild crafter accussed me of cheatin

[hasty viper]

Exactly, number go up= fun

But also getting better at the game makes the number go up too so y'know

Have to find the balance

[balmy condor]

I got CE last tier with a haste/vers dagger and a vers/crit wrist

[hasty viper]

95% simming, 5% listening to Whispyr's wisdom

[rare swift]

Yo everything good? Just know you’re loved

[buoyant herald]

getting better at game make number go up infinity times crazy sim optimisations

[hasty viper]

Dw he has a Monster, he's fine

[buoyant herald]

vers kept you alive thats why

[balmy condor]

everything is good except itemization in world of warcraft

[hasty viper]

Really, only that? Any thoughts about hero specs?

[balmy condor]

gear in this game is actually rancid for how big the game is

[rare swift]

Still going to need ur shoelaces bucko

[balmy condor]

what's better, 200 vers or 200 of this other stat that has a different name but is secretly also vers, I currently have 680 ilvl and have 25% fake vers A, 15% fake vers B, 60% fake vers C, and 5% vers

[hasty viper]

Well you see, True Vers actually has a hidden modifier where it reduces ur damage taken so it's 100% the best. Go full vers

[balmy condor]

true

everything is vers, except vers, which is a defensive

[hasty viper]

The thing I hate most about stats is when going off-spec early in the season and your spec has the opposite best stats than the spec ur swapping too. It doesn't even actually matter all that much most of the time but it Feels bad and I feel like that's just as important

[balmy condor]

yeh

[buoyant herald]

eh the only thing that feels bad is either low haste if you like it, or low crit if your spec has big crit interaction

[balmy condor]

I mean the feeling you get as a player picking up some random fuckass off piece with a name you won't remember in 5 minutes

it's actually awful

[buoyant herald]

classic enjoyer confirmed?

[balmy condor]

classic gearing is shit for different reasons

but idk man

modern wow you either reduce every item to its ilvl

or you reduce it down to "does it stat X"

and if no stat X then garbage

[thorn thorn]

Cuz feelycraft gearing is the true endgame

[balmy condor]

and then when items are special, they're special because they're just objectively the best thing ever and they block out an entire gear slot

there's nothing cool about a jastor ring except that it does more than any other ring

and then you lose a ring slot

it's like the reshii wraps but without blizzard giving it a special color and deleting cloaks for a season

every cantrip is like that

[deft shore]

On that note I got to replace Cyrce’s today 😂

[spice surge]

And people get unreasonably upset that theyre gonna be stuck with the hc version instead of the +0.3% mythic version as they dont mythic raid

[balmy condor]

edge of night? GG what fucking point is there in having any other dagger in the game

[hasty viper]

You misunderstand, the ,,Feelsbadman" doesn't come from the gameplay itself but from the knowledge of having the spec's bis stat be the lowest. Idk it's hard to explain for me xd

[balmy condor]

disc belt? GG now every belt drop is just dead

like there's no actual "progression" or depth to it

it's legit just

[thorn thorn]

They need to stop making these omegabis items that lock the slot its in

[balmy condor]

do you have the thing that blocks the slot

[thorn thorn]

Theey are very cringe design

[balmy condor]

or not

[buoyant herald]

ah sure, i get you

[spice surge]

Well they kinda cant with the way the game currently is, besides just not making items that have any effect ever ofc

[buoyant herald]

i feel like they do this so everyone can feel like they've got at least one slot as true BiS

[honest needle]

are we crafting weaon first ?

[hasty viper]

I feel like at least something along the lines of the Reshi Wraps is fine. It block any other capes from dropping and it has some cool lore, visuals and abilities. But for example the bis boots from the Demon Hunter Council is so stupid cuz every week everyone -2 is gonna be disappointed by not dropping them xd

[thorn thorn]

Cantrips became less cool when they just turned into the objectively best item in slot

That sort of thing isnt and never will be interesting

And it will never be enjoyable to deal with

[hasty viper]

Ye

[buoyant herald]

while this is true, we also just had a complaint about modern gearing being so anonymous and boring so

[spice surge]

Well ye but neither is never making any interesting items

[buoyant herald]

where does the solution lie?

[spice surge]

Which is the alternative

[buoyant herald]

lol eleem get out of my brain

[thorn thorn]

They could simply make them not the objective best items

Stat penalty

Its that shrimple

[spice surge]

Well whats the point of them then

[lime onyx]

Do we have any Heroic Delve Trinkets that are BiS? Or is farming delves after this week a waste of time?

[thorn thorn]

They are an item with a neat effect

Which is all cantrips should be

[hasty viper]

Idk make more interesting stuff for the same slot so there's some competition

[balmy condor]

delve trinkets suck

[thorn thorn]

Having them as an auto lock for a slot does not make for interested gearing

[lime onyx]

hooray! i can't wait to tell my RL no delves for me

[thorn thorn]

Since most of the time you are just blatantly doing less by not having it for whatever the reason may be

[spice surge]

I agree with you

I just think that never making them is a worse solution

[thorn thorn]

They can be made

But they need to not be an every season ordeal

[hasty jetty]

how do u guys track Bleeds on nameplates?

[thorn thorn]

In TWW so far every season has had multiple cantrip slots

So did DF actually

[rose dirge]

How is it with s2 tier set and ilvl, i know simming is best! Just wondering since my s2 tier set is low ilvl

Did they not nerf s2 tier?

[balmy condor]

the solution is you make gear matter more than just highest ilvl + green text. One of my personal favorites that I've seen in an MMO is they made gear drop more frequently, and instead of gems, the gear became the gems. What that made was an actual progression where you obviously want to have 6 stones on each piece of gear, but getting 6 stones with the perfect set of stats was very hard

whoops

so like yeah you just got a heroic piece with decent stats, but each time something dropped that was decently statted, you were excited

cause you could just melt it down and improve a bad stone you had

and then when you got your big mythic ilvl pieces, you worked your way up to getting the perfect stats

gear wasn't immediately worthless the moment it dropped

[thorn thorn]

[balmy condor]

right now you do m+, you drop a hero track trinket

you go "oh I'm done with that dungeon"

you see it legit all the time

"I'm farming until X"

and then they get it

and it's like a fucking relief

[hasty viper]

Just be an enchanter and disenchant the gear, now its worth Something

[thorn thorn]

Or you see trinkets that are giga ass and never worth using

Like zapcap

[balmy condor]

yeah

[thorn thorn]

Zapcap is so bad that most guides on wowhead genuinely didnt even list it

[hasty viper]

Players will always optimize the fun out of the game

[gritty laurel]

that's not an excuse for the itemization to suck

[hasty viper]

Oh no not saying it is an excuse

Just about the trinket grinding

It was just an addition to what Whispyr said

[gritty laurel]

ah, yeah

[balmy condor]

trinket tuning is also just objectively terrible every season and they're okay with some trinkets just being completely unusable

but that's a different problem

[thorn thorn]

The trinkets are the worst example of itemization sucking

The trinket tuning is such mega ass

Like you have trinkets like ratfang toxin

[balmy condor]

like the best trinket is maybe +6%, and the worst is +0.4%

[gritty laurel]

trinkets should be a utility slot that customizes playstyle and not a "number go up" slot

[balmy condor]

they're not even in the same expansion in terms of power

[thorn thorn]

That are literally so bad the reason they arent unusable is they have mainstat

[gritty laurel]

if there's a single slot that shouldn't just be an ilvl chase for the highest +%, it's the goddamn trinket slot

[thorn thorn]

Ever since DF at least the trinket slots have 90% of the time been whatever is tuned best with very few exceptions

Like Spymasters

Rashoks

[hasty viper]

I do feel like the itemization sucking is a problem of Wow being a game with many casuals who do not engage with sims, raids etc, and if they did something like Whispyr suggested with the gems then they would lose that part of the playerbase. This is just pondering tho, not some objective facts

[gritty laurel]

counterpoint: that part of the playerbase doesn't need optimization to enjoy what they do

[thorn thorn]

The trinket balance has been objectively bad on a per season basis for a while now

[hasty viper]

They don't need to optimize to be scared away by a system tho

[thorn thorn]

You dont need to sim to realize the zapcap is bad

Or ratfang toxin is bad

You read the green text and realize its the most dogshit item you have ever seen

[hasty viper]

I'm more focused on the gear +Stats rather than trinkets, but I agree

[spice surge]

But you kinda do because sometimes the numbers on those dogshit trinkets are high

[hasty viper]

Also tru

[spice surge]

And sometimes the number being high is the fun part

[buoyant herald]

ratfang was actually kinda good for outlaw compared to other trinkets of its ilvl lol

[thorn thorn]

Some of them but the specific examples I gave you dont need to sim

[spice surge]

See beacon

[gritty laurel]

yeah when you can't see the actual proc rate and internal cooldown of some of them it makes it impossible to figure out without simming

[hasty viper]

Some people might read ,,This trinket has an x chance to give u x stat" and for us it's ,,Omg bis it seems so high" and for them it's ,,Omg this probably sucks, i'll take this thing which explodes and deals damage"

[thorn thorn]

Beacon was a good example

[hasty viper]

This just shows another issue where you can't look at an item and decide for yourself if it's good, you need sims

[thorn thorn]

Its also just like there shouldnt be trinkets that every spec in the game wants and nothing else since thats poor balance

Like spymasters

[hasty viper]

They should just show the hidden stats for that stuff

[thorn thorn]

Why was spymasters allowed to exist

[hasty viper]

Ritual forge?

[thorn thorn]

ritual forge too

They are fucking terrible at balancing trinkets for some reason

[hasty viper]

It's gonna be a slaughter everytime someone in guild chat posts their vault with that in

[thorn thorn]

And its so bad im convinced its actually intentional

[gritty laurel]

ritual forge is gonna be even worse than spymasters because it does all 3 main stats

[quaint spindle]

Why did signet drop to b tier. Did it get nerfed

[spice surge]

No it was always awful, there just wasnt any good alternatives last season

[quaint spindle]

Got it ty

[hasty viper]

And also since there is much more op trinkets other people won't use it either so it's even worse

[quaint spindle]

Just got it to 691. Guess ill replace w a raid trinket

[hasty viper]

Man I have to go to sleep I woke up at 4 am to play the new patch and now it's midnight, wanted to wait to see what Whispyr writes but can't

[spice surge]

I think a lot of classes (esp 90s ones) are gonna end up prefering prism

[hasty viper]

If someone doesn't mind pinging me once he sends the message so I can jump to it tomorrow I'd be grateful

[balmy condor]

my philosophy basically boils down to any game's item system should only be allowed a max of 2 from this list:

1. boring stats (secondaries)
2. very few/unimpactful effects which don't interact with your character (random passive damage/stat procs fall into this category)
3. no interesting gear progression/upgrade system (crests/sockets in wow fall into this)
4. repetitive grinds for a single item (m+ trinkets, jastor, etc)

0/4 -> insanely complex and deep, way too much for casuals to digest, overloaded
1/4 -> stuff like PoE's gear falls into this, with boss uniques being 1/2/3 but repetitive, and rare items being less repetitive due to crafting systems, but also more boring
2/4 -> interesting enough systems to make gear impactful without scaring away casuals
3/4 -> starting to get pretty boring items but at least the items itself are either interesting to obtain, have some depth in their system, or are insanely interesting/impactful. Games with 3/4 usually don't have many items, but a few that are very unique and gameplay altering
4/4 -> world of warcraft

[spice surge]

Since not all raid fights are 5 minutes with BL on pull

And the use from prism is stronger than ritual forge, especially if youve held your cds for a certain mechanic

[haughty flicker]

wait until after i get prism to start spreading this please

[balmy condor]

it's funny cause I think it's the opposite

you might see prism on like 2 fights for some cheese during prog

and then the power bloat and nerfs are going to roll in

and prism not being available on pull

will make it unusable

[distant fog]

!waz

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[humble verge]

is there someone else with 714 cape?

apparently

it seems if you already have maxed your main cape

do the campaign on alts

u get 714 cape rewarded at the end

🤨

[thick citrus]

Probably because I am bad at copy pasting and missed the entire call_action_list,name=shiv. Fix pushed proably tonight or tomorrow.

[nocturne geyser]

hello can you guys suggest a good assa rogue weak aura?

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[nocturne geyser]

ty

[stable field]

Hey, if i am in combat without my deathstalkers mark and Darkest Night, is there any way to get it back?

[balmy condor]

vanish

into an ambush

[stable field]

ok will try that next time. Also if i die during a boss fight, does the mark disappear or only the darkest night buff?

[balmy condor]

the mark is a debuff, so that would disappear if the target dies

darkest night is a buff

so that disappears when you die

[stable field]

got it thanks 🙂

[thorn thorn]

What if I apply mark and I die

[visual rune]

in single target when we start to run low on energy is it better to let it regen back to 50% for Sanguine Blades? or to just try and generate CP and dump into envenom if bleeds dont need to be refreshed

[runic hinge]

What if I ambush and die on pull and then when I get brezed I die to a frontal

[balmy condor]

the latter

[thorn thorn]

Blame healer

[visual rune]

ty ty

[latent bluff]

do we CT on st with bleed build?

[balmy condor]

yes

[lavish whale]

did they fix kb bug already or nah?

[balmy condor]

if you give me the fatebound 2 piece I can check for you

[haughty flicker]

[lavish whale]

oh yeah

dummy dumb

[ripe plover]

Do we wait for new 4pc to replace old tier?

[balmy condor]

no

[ripe plover]

Ah ok, ive gotten a few ups from m0's so i was gonna sim now

[tight ginkgo]

thigh breast or drumstick?

[balmy condor]

well you wouldn't replace tier with no tier

that's not gonna work

[tight ginkgo]

[ripe plover]

Theyre pretty big ilvl jumps for my toon, so just curious

[royal lantern]

if you have 2 new tier pieces, sim

[wet ruin]

Did IC use to work with internal bleeding or am I imagining things

[balmy condor]

it still should

but why would you ever play internal bleeding with IC

[runic hinge]

On it

[haughty flicker]

bleeds fun

[runic hinge]

Mobs die too fast for caustic in 0’s

[haughty flicker]

green talents bad

[runic hinge]

And it contributes to demise

So we’re demisemaxxxing

[balmy condor]

severely underestimating caustic

[runic hinge]

Truly

[wet ruin]

I do it for trivial content like delves / quests, stuff like that where things just die too fast

but it didn't work just now so I don't know if they did something

[balmy condor]

dunno

[runic hinge]

Maybe if IB wasn’t negative damage it could be worth a fuck in anything but pure ST

[royal python]

Is assa simming closer to sub this tier on current tune

[snow hamlet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[snow hamlet]

check it yourself

[hot jay]

Tried fatebound assa on a dummy just to get a feel for it

This is the tits

It feels good to play

[buoyant herald]

have we done sims on FB vs DS without tier? assume FB still better for ST but who can say

[balmy condor]

yes, you can just top gear the two together

fb is like 5% better

[buoyant herald]

true

[deft shard]

is it worth to learn fb?

[buoyant herald]

theres not much learning to be done

very passive

[deft shard]

i have never played it

ok

[proven willow]

got this sick sudden demise bug when u run with 2 rogues

[buoyant herald]

bug?

[spice surge]

I mean only one of you can get the execute

[proven willow]

which is lame

lemme use my own bleeds

[balmy condor]

the bug of not being able to kill a thing twice

[proven willow]

the bug of it not splitting the dmage b/t 2 players so i can feel good about my overall

[dark quiver]

on MASSIVE pulls, do you still try to put garrote and rupture on all of them? or do you stop at a certain number of targets

[balmy condor]

no, anything more than 5-6 is a waste

[dark quiver]

ok thx

[warm flint]

8.2 overall on priory without even a single phys buff on party

brrrr we pump disgusting already hope they dont touch it xddd

[runic hinge]

Just have the higher ilvl main hand

And ilvl total

[harsh anchor]

Anyone wanna hold hands while doing delves

[runic hinge]

And use your vanishes to refresh bleeds only

[haughty flicker]

just have higher mastery

ez

[cloud pike]

Risking the ire of literally everyone. How bad of an idea is running keys with Hybrid - Fatebound?

[warm flint]

wow classic type shi

especially on m0s where sudden demise delete shit from %25-30hp 😄

[cloud pike]

Well yeah, running low level content with it would be silly. I just mean in general when running weekly keys

[humble verge]

@balmy condor

[warm flint]

ah, probably fine then. fatebound ig feelsbad, tho hybrid should be ight

[delicate trench]

!craft

[balmy condor]

fatebound in m+

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are boot/wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" overall, but Blessed Weapon Grip + Dawnthread can be VERY VERY slightly better in m+

Always craft a dagger for at least an offhand. Put Ascencion or Blessed Weapon Grip on it. Additional Crafts should be Boots/Cape/Wrist/Belt for your second embellishment, after that whatever low item level slot is fine, necks can be good crafts.
If you have a myth track weapon in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[balmy condor]

awful

[haughty flicker]

[warm flint]

we'll only be invited for that giga aoe rn, so bleed is the only way to go

[delicate trench]

@balmy condor we can craft dagger with ascension ?

[balmy condor]

that's what it says, is it not

[delicate trench]

you confirming makes it better

[balmy condor]

yah sure

but I make 2 guides and the command

so that I don't have to confirm

[tight oracle]

Is the whetstones always gonna be better then the oils for weaps?

[haughty flicker]

[delicate trench]

forgive

[balmy condor]

oils can be slightly better

[distant fog]

finished all my m0 and delves

finally

[gritty laurel]

whispyr is hiding something, i'm not convinced that using an embellishment is better than not using one

[deft shard]

When u play fatebound is there somewhere where you need must deal a 7 combot point envenom?

[balmy condor]

no

[gritty laurel]

no, just 5+

[deft shard]

ok so is jsut full passive kingsbane and vanish and issok?

[fierce sigil]

What does fb Change in our rotation?

[deft shard]

because i do less dps than DS and idk why

[gritty laurel]

the wowhead guide spells it out. it's mostly just your opener

[fierce sigil]

We just dont start with ambush?

[deft shard]

like i do the good rotation i think?

[coral ibex]

its in the guide

you should read it

[gritty laurel]

DS will do more DPS with anything more than 1 target

[balmy condor]

[fallow canopy]

You hear kaching after every finisher

[balmy condor]

why do I even make content

[deft shard]

i'm mono on a tdummy

[fallow canopy]

For these moments

[deft shard]

i have seen your video thats why i dont udnerstand :(

[gritty laurel]

you also don't have the new 4p set, which is where a lot of the newfound power of FB is

[royal python]

Gen z needs tutoring too

[balmy condor]

that's not even true

[coral ibex]

[gritty laurel]

new tier set is how you guarantee coin on opener, no?

[balmy condor]

that's the 2pc

[deft shard]

ah maybe i dont have my coin on opener because i dont have 2set?

[gritty laurel]

fair enough, but without that just comparing some random target dummy slaps doesn't mean much

it's a 50/50

[balmy condor]

if you don't get your capstone it'll be lower

if you do, it'll be higher

[gritty laurel]

right

[balmy condor]

on average with s2 gear, fatebound will be like 5% better than ds

[humble verge]

whispyr

[deft shard]

okay

[humble verge]

how has ure day been

[balmy condor]

been okay I guess

[deft shard]

so for the progress i should wait to have the 2p before playing fb?

[balmy condor]

I...

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/noahnoah-gif-15569947813902812404

[balmy condor]

I don't know how else I'm supposed to say it

[humble verge]

i did

wait i need to calc

11

8

8

[balmy condor]

what part of this is confusing

[humble verge]

27 delves

is a crazy life

honestly

[young reef]

SEASON 2 gear

current gear

[balmy condor]

idk where the disconnect is

[humble verge]

the reshii thing to delve

where u can kill kyveza

get loot

or get that portal with more loot

[deft shard]

like its 50/50

[humble verge]

hella nice

for delves

[gritty laurel]

i didn't realize the baseline buffs were that big, that's pretty cool i guess

[balmy condor]

it is 50/50 yes

[humble verge]

but then again

we're gonna get heroic gear next week doing 10 keys

[deft shard]

so jsut gambling

[balmy condor]

that's what most of this game is, yes

critting your envenom is way less than a 50/50

apply poisons even with envenom's buff up isn't a 50/50

blindside is 15/85 out of execute

you're literally gambling

all the time

[humble verge]

we like gambling

gamba

mamba

[gritty laurel]

will the invoker die in phase 1 of the pull

[fallow canopy]

Damn playing wow is haram

[balmy condor]

you have a chance to get picked by a mechanic from a boss

a chance to loot that trinket from your m+ run

[humble verge]

i got signet

[fallow canopy]

At least the chance from our kb getting parried doesn't exist anymore

[humble verge]

so im good for this week

[fallow canopy]

We keep on winning

[late gulch]

do bleed build use ct still in st?

[humble verge]

yes

[late gulch]

oki 🙂

[distant fog]

aight were double 691 daggers

we are going hard

[tulip veldt]

Bleed better then hybrid at 11.2?

[humble verge]

69

bleed will be better yes

[balmy condor]

definitely is for any keys being run in the next month, yes

[humble verge]

atleast for now

stuff just dies too fast

for KB to be used

[thorn thorn]

[tulip veldt]

Wowhead is up to date? Ill check current build

[tulip veldt]

Ty

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/powerslap-slap-ko-knockout-slap-huge-slap-big-slap-gif-7471918422486227772

[solar rose]

Does anyone have the spreadsheet that shows the % increase of every tier set

[humble verge]

me on da raid bos

[teal marten]

hey hey guys, just came back from a year break, what timing with the new patch, where can I go to see the latest builds for assassin?

[humble verge]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[teal marten]

oooh ty fellow rogues and rapscallions

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[hexed root]

relatable

[grave spade]

Does anyone else have a bugged cleave?

[balmy condor]

whats that mean

[unreal tide]

i wish

[grave spade]

my Caustic Spatter

dont work

[unreal tide]

try swapping off the talent and back to it, have had it show i have the talent before but not trigger it. a swap away and back resolved it

[grave spade]

it worked, thanks

[misty holly]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtlety.

[humble verge]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[orchid cedar]

Are we maintaining CT on ST with Bleed build?

[humble verge]

yes

[twilit cargo]

is there a cuastic splatter

tracker

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[twilit cargo]

in luxthos

or do u just do it instinctivly

[orchid cedar]

damn, can't belive it does more than an envenom

[severe meadow]

Can anyone confirm if Gally is still bugged out?

[humble verge]

no idea

[severe meadow]

Guild wants to slam one last time for mount xd

[delicate trench]

!m

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[thorn thorn]

@fallow canopy

[distant fog]

got 5 mil overall in flood

not bad

[thorn thorn]

@humble verge

[fallow canopy]

[feral mason]

!fotm

[prisma monolith]

FOTM Info

• Fatebound is not playable in any AoE situation, and ESPECIALLY not in Mythic+. Don't bother.

• Tuning is nowhere near done and realistically won't be until mid-September; unless you enjoy playing rogue there is no point in you rerolling at this time, we don't bring anything impactful (e.g big aoe stops/party buff) to the group

• PTR sheets and PTR sims are borderline misinformation with how rapidly things are changing and most sims are not currently updated at this time. Again, this will fix itself as we get deeper into the patch and things solidify, but judging a reroll off of PTR tier lists and random sims or seeing one guy pump super hard on a stream is not indicative of anything.

[haughty sedge]

this has helped a lot, thank you for the suggestion

[royal hazel]

Still Bugged as of 9pm syd time

[severe meadow]

ty slime

[hot jay]

are there very rough numbers available for 2pc and 4pc value for fatebound assa?

I'm not looking for biblically accurate numbers

[royal hazel]

Whose slime mate.

[hot jay]

but I can't even find an estimation

like a % gain

[nova kelp]

More than 1. Less than 30.

[agile flame]

so we need two daggers but we can still loot axes and stuff?

[tight oracle]

Not if you want to play assassination

[nova kelp]

You won't get axes from dungeons and group loot if your lootspec is assassination

Or shouldn't.

As random loot. Sure you can still pick things up.

[agile flame]

ah so just this world stuff? i am loot spec assa

[nova kelp]

Polearms. Axes. Whatever

[tight oracle]

Probably war bound ?

[nova kelp]

Not only

You can loot anything that's world loot

[agile flame]

nope, veteran nightfall axe from that event. this is a brand new level 80

[nova kelp]

Your spec doesn't mean shit if that bird is rocking a polearm in the outside world

[raw marlin]

hey guys like my new ui? @potent turret @marsh fjord

[dry ore]

why does the bleed build doesnt have kingsbane talented if the tier set is about kingsbane ?

[nova kelp]

The nightfall event gives a lot of warband loot. That's different

[nova kelp]

The tier set is about kingsbane?

Do you mean the fatebound one?

[dry ore]

isnt it ? the 4p with 15s reduced CD

[balmy condor]

2pc is roughly 11%, 4pc on top is another 5%

[balmy condor]

for fatebound yes

[nova kelp]

You don't use fatebound as bleed

[dry ore]

ah i thought its for deathstalker mb

[balmy condor]

you don't play fatebound in m+ in general, let alone bleed

[nova kelp]

That

[haughty flicker]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[dry ore]

i used to play hybrid build for 2 seasons, i've tried the bleed build on 5 dummies and i did considerably more dmg

[balmy condor]

that'll happen yeah

[dry ore]

13m/14 with top dps on bleed and 9 on hybrid
(got sub gear)

so we double shiv on deathmark and thats it ?

when to use the 3rd thistle tea btw ?

i've seen casualaddict use it from time to time but i didnt understand why

[nova kelp]

Thistle tea just kinda does its own thing these days tbh

The tea is above our childish whims

[balmy condor]

you just macro it to shiv

[dry ore]

if deathmark got 2 mins cd, and shiv 30s cd with 2 stacks ready at first
that means : deathmark / shiv + thistle tea / shiv + thistle tea
after 1 min i have another 2 shivs and an aditional thistle tea, should i use shiv + TT ? or should i just wait for the next deathmark ?

[balmy condor]

you macro it to shiv

you cast shiv

out of cd

with the tea

as per normal

tea is not something you ever think about

[nova kelp]

Bro. I thought you were going to fucking GIGACHAD out there for a second and just stick to purely
"You macro it to shiv" /end

[balmy condor]

felt a little rude

he typed a long ass response

[dry ore]

MACRO TO SHIV

xD

[nova kelp]

We used to have to think about tea. But it was too complicated. So they made it just auto proc to save us some forehead space.

[dry ore]

here is my question clear xD, should i stick to using shiv on deathmark window ? or there are cases where to use it

[balmy condor]

well, among other changes like supercharger and stuff

[balmy condor]

brother what

nah now I might get rude

[dry ore]

like i said i saw casualaddict use it out of deathmark

[balmy condor]

deathmark cd is how long

[dry ore]

thats why im confused man

2mins

[balmy condor]

okay, shiv cd is how long

[dry ore]

30s

[balmy condor]

okay, do you have 4 charges of shiv to cover that duration

I personally don't

[dry ore]

only 2 sir

[balmy condor]

so yes

obviously you shiv

you would just be sitting there

wasting shiv charges

on nothing

watching your main cd at 2/2

[lucid rune]

I keep people talking about no imp garrote in m+, but all the builds i've seen run it

[balmy condor]

that's horrid

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/talent-builds-pve-dps#cleave

[dry ore]

SIR YES SIR

UNDERSTOOD

https://tenor.com/view/understandable-have-nice-day-have-a-great-day-have-a-good-day-nice-gif-20850110

[candid badger]

it is there in teh luxthos group, under dynamic effects group

[hot jay]

thanks king

[lucid rune]

is bleed still more popular than hybrid? is it more situational?

[thorn thorn]

THANK YOU SIR MAY I HAVE ANOTHER

[nova kelp]

Bleed is super effective and very chill.

In VERY high end keys if you need more prio damage because boss fights are trolling you. You might switch to hybrid.

[dry ore]

SIR YES SIR

[nova kelp]

In lower keys. Hybrid causes issues because of handling DSM etc

[candid badger]

I looted the lily of eternal wave trinket from m0, as a 1.5 min cd am i holding and macrooing it to death mark or is it worth using out of deathmark and desyncing?

[dry ore]

im having the same question xD

[thorn thorn]

For almost any sort of stat on-use trinket you will use with deathmark

Since the real question is what window are you going to have at 1.5m as Sin that is going to beat just waiting the extra 30 to make it lineup with deathmark

[dry ore]

signet isnt worth ?

since it got 2mins cd to lineup

[lucid rune]

bleed build... CT in ST?

[thorn thorn]

[lucid rune]

tee why

[thorn thorn]

Arterial precision

[broken lion]

is there a kingsbane tracker that isnt broken rn?

[thorn thorn]

But it also does just decent damage as a whole for bleed

Even in ST

[gritty laurel]

there's not really a need to track KB, it'll do its thing and there's no optimization that i'm aware of outside of always covering the back half of its duration with siv

[tight oracle]

New roguehere. what is hybrid

[gritty laurel]

talent setup that tries to squeeze out some extra single target damage while keeping good aoe. wowhead guide has a detailed breakdown of talents

[tight oracle]

Ohhh okay I'll check em out

[balmy condor]

it's just as worth as any other on-use stat trinket timing wise

but there's a better 2 min from the raid for deathstalker

and fatebound will want 1:30's

[nova kelp]

I can't wait to be up in my loot chats like "yeah I need that 2 min trinket too for half the raid"

Lol

[candid badger]

cool that's what i figured but just wanted to double check ty! 🙂

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr did answer my question of using it at 1:30 but its still with deathmark

[buoyant herald]

bro you should see what our raiders have got in their loot lists

literally 15+ people with the antenna

and like 10 with araz

[potent turret]

veri gud ja

[raw marlin]

si mi amigo

sabias mi espanol es muy mal

[potent turret]

taco?

[raw marlin]

oh man, id love some tacos right now tbh

[thorn thorn]

@balmy condor Its jover

I convinced someone new to play wow and they wanted to play outlaw

How do I convince them Sin is better

[potent turret]

its not

[raw marlin]

break their fingers then thye cant play outlaw

[crimson vector]

in st with the m+ bleed build if nothing's going on is it more important to maintain sanguine blades or spam mutilate for blindsides in single target + execute

[thorn thorn]

Yellow name opinion invalidated

[potent turret]

yourmomye

[marsh fjord]

Love it

[young reef]

sorry question i cant figure out from the guide

[raw marlin]

bro you are always online

like us

[young reef]

the vanish in there

[raw marlin]

rip EU bedtimes

[young reef]

is it used if no improved garrote

[balmy condor]

read fatebound

learn fatebound

[young reef]

is it cause of this?

[balmy condor]

yes

[young reef]

ok sorry wanst sure

ty

[balmy condor]

np

[raw marlin]

is feral druid just a worse sin rogue?

[potent turret]

what druid?

[haughty flicker]

feral is a cat

[raw marlin]

yh but legit

is it a bleed build?

like dots and shit but worse?

what makes it dif lol

[thorn thorn]

Feral does have bleeds

Its gato

[raw marlin]

el gato

[potent turret]

does rogue have bleeds?

[raw marlin]

mi roca

[thorn thorn]

No sorry we only have poisons

[potent turret]

ok fair fair

[raw marlin]

why is bleed rogue physically

but blood mage is magical

[haughty flicker]

cat bite

and cat scratch

and cat summon swarms of insects for some reason

[raw marlin]

when i play feral i stay in bear form though

[thorn thorn]

Manipulating blood is magic, removing it from a body by force is not

[haughty flicker]

i prefer the term physical mage

[raw marlin]

i can remove blood from the body with force of magic though

[potent turret]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-orangecat-crazy-gif-19119562

[thorn thorn]

If I cut open your arm that is physical, if I wave my hand and all the blood ejects from your body then thats magic

[potent turret]

AYO BIT GRAPHIC INNIT

[raw marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-halloween-halloween-knife-stab-slashing-gif-15612596

[thorn thorn]

Brit spotted

[potent turret]

Nein

[raw marlin]

danke

[potent turret]

Bitte bitte

[raw marlin]

du er en pige

mudka

[half moss]

Heya, im able to run two of the same crafted Daggers with the same embellishments on them yea? They would be my only two embelishments

[thorn thorn]