assassination

[charred obsidian]

but thats me

at the very least ill probably have an easy time getting into a guild as no one wants to play rogue lol

[grim jay]

Same, but it has been that way for quite some time

[charred obsidian]

to play in the raid

[charred obsidian]

indeed

since the mini rework

before the mini rework assa was awful in m+

i dont remember clearly but we had to spread 1 dot at a time i think

at least garrote could be spammed but one at a time

maybe i dont remember correctly

please correct me if im wrong

[topaz cedar]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1402339140078665841/Dark_v2_1.jpg

[distant fog]

Assa just stole flurry

So did sub

[charred obsidian]

well i wouldnt say assa did

but sub surely did with trickster

[pliant remnant]

I did the skip on two alts and I didn't get a quest either

It just auto-completes the current main story for you

[distant fog]

Is bleed or hybrid simming higher rn

[pliant remnant]

and you fly to the little tiny island to Hashim or whatever tf and get your cloak from him

[charred obsidian]

i wish to know this too

id wager bleed being stronger in lower keys as per usual

and the absolute highest maybe hybrid but

[grim jay]

Neither did, they just thought its a great mechanic for half of the games specs

[charred obsidian]

i have nothing to go after so dont take my word for it

[grim jay]

Bleed seems to be superior

[charred obsidian]

it sure does

but who knows

im not a simmer

exept for my own gear ofc

[distant fog]

What massive cooldowns does bleed use

[grim jay]

The same as hybrid

[charred obsidian]

literally only deathmark i think

[plush umbra]

bleed has always simmed the highest out of the options for dungeonslice

[charred obsidian]

we dont have kingsbane so

[grim jay]

Kb isnt a massive cd

[charred obsidian]

plus the sudden demise is insane

[charred obsidian]

is that so

[plush umbra]

the only reason the hybrid build became a thing was to trade some overall for more single target

[charred obsidian]

i assumed it was

[grim jay]

Kb is 1 min and has noodle dmg as a standalone skill

[charred obsidian]

what counts as a massive cd then

only deathmark*?

[grim jay]

DM is the only big CD ye

[charred obsidian]

oh yeah i forgot they massively nerfed it in df and let it be like that

man i miss when KB could be your top damage in raids

it was so much fun

nasty ability then

it felt so good

[grim jay]

I liked KB aswell, shouldve been a core part of the spec and not a talent in the first place imo

[charred obsidian]

i dont understand why they did it dirty

[grim jay]

1 bleed CD 1 poison CD

Easy

[charred obsidian]

"we dont like that it does so much damage"

[spice surge]

Shiv is a cd too

Fatebound kb does big damage now

[golden loom]

Envenom is also a major CD even if it has no CD

[grim jay]

[pliant remnant]

[rotund oak]

[languid gate]

Is this copium for M+?
I mean you can't say now it will be the best specc basically, but from the output it has for M+ scenarios, could it be real? 😄

[distant fog]

Shiv dm

@languid gate assa raw numbers are literally just that good

They are the a funnel spec too

So even more insane

Im expecting a nerf to assa soon cause they usually dangle rogues up high and then drop em on a spike

[spice surge]

Idk why it would be copium, assa has been the 4th or 5th best dps for all of tww so its not that much of a leap to move it up into top3

[distant fog]

Feral druid diff

[mystic frigate]

do we take mastery thread thing for cloak

[grim jay]

Doubt unless they way overperform in m+

They are busy with raid tuning

[storm karma]

think you have to do 2-3 quests before you get the new quest to skip and require a new cloak

[distant fog]

Assa raid is ass

[languid gate]

how are they lookin in raid tho?

[rotund oak]

we cant know but its pretty strong

[distant fog]

Assa raid is ass

[brave comet]

so how many times do you envenom before you go into vanish on your opener on fatebound?

[grim jay]

Mid afaik

[languid gate]

ass or swamp-ass?

[brave comet]

do i finish coldblood then vanish?

[burnt shard]

does anyone know how to phase diving entered for weekly big world quest, pylon seems bugged for me i cant click it

[golden loom]

I mean no?

[golden loom]

You vanish while having CB buff

[brave comet]

so like immediately after KB?

[distant fog]

Like usual outlaw will over perform first week

Then get spit on till weak

[rotund oak]

tell me you dont know how good sin is without telling me

[golden loom]

Yeah

[grim jay]

[brave comet]

what about on the 3rd minute mark uwucutegirl-ingame?

[grim jay]

Outlaw overperforming and getting nerfed

[brave comet]

also the same?

[grim jay]

Heard it here first

[distant fog]

Always happens

Outlaw players are literal coke fiends who snort rng like their life depends on it

[grim jay]

Happens so often that I cant think of the last time

[distant fog]

Every season sadge

[grim jay]

[golden loom]

Yeah

[distant fog]

Real though it happened df s3

[rotund oak]

and this is the madness that drives me away from the pirate channel^^

[distant fog]

Outlaw should uncap bladeflurry

[golden loom]

Previously when you ran MA on fatebound you would usually vanish before the 2nd envenom

[distant fog]

And the class would be completely

Finished

[rotund oak]

[golden loom]

But now if you run VV theres no reason to hold it for a few extra seconds so just slam it right after KB

[brave comet]

thank you uwucutegirl, i always know i could ask questions if you're here

[rotund oak]

[golden loom]

No worries but also I am not wrong but if I am then also not my fault

[brave comet]

its okay i can blame it on whispyr for not spoonfeeding us in his video

[rotund oak]

already did though on his guide(most likely)

[brave comet]

youre right!

i love whispyr!

[rotund oak]

[rotund oak]

he has a gf iirc

😂

im joking

[real pike]

Wait are we back to running MA

Ffs having Vanish as a pure defensive/mechanic cheese/DsM resetter was so comfy

[golden loom]

Where did you get that from

[real pike]

This

Unless MA was always run on FB

I've never played it

[golden loom]

You dont vanish for MA

You vanish for fatebound

[real pike]

Oh is it some actual fatebound mechanic

[high sundial]

It might be back to Vicious Venom once we get set pieces. No one knows right now

[rotund oak]

edge case cooking

[real pike]

Seen

So still safe on DS

Until I have to run FB for a full ST fight

[golden loom]

Double jeopardy

[real pike]

Ic

[rotund oak]

yup i stand corrected here,edge case is on DM

its double jeopardy

[humble verge]

we are picking energizing fiber i guess

[hallow glade]

dexterous livegods

[grim jay]

Definitely looks the coolest

[normal mist]

A reminder you can now be edgy and /lean in game

@radiant raven stole your picture

[radiant raven]

Strong ankle strength is the key

[sacred ibex]

Heello, wich build are we using until have the new tier? bleeds build same?

[normal mist]

Yes

Until and after

[sacred ibex]

Niceee

Ty

[wide ferry]

worth dropping 4/4 tier for champion gear?

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simulate-gif-8199108223823847654

[red schooner]

Send the sim for it but probably not

[vestal wren]

We spend hundreds of hours carefully considering each spec and weighting its strength and weaknesses.
The result was this tier list for Mythic+ Dungeons.

[quaint spindle]

Everywhere im seeing we are at minimum A tier in m+ feelsgoodman

[vestal wren]

||Its a joke, the tier list is alphabetic. But Tier lists are fairly useless atm. There might be more tuning and we won't see a Mythic+ meta build for a few weeks. Which means, it is simply to early.||

[vestal wren]

I mean where else would it be?

__A__ssassination

[midnight mist]

Form latest ptr testing it's the spec that does the most overall (maybe contending against udk/frost dk)
While also doing by far the most funnel in the game

The st isnt the highest tho but it's still low/middle of the pack and you can always just pull into bosses so it's alright

[vestal wren]

^ continuing the trend we saw for multiple seasons now

[midnight mist]

You mean getting buffed on cd while being the strongest rogue spec already

Ye

[naive crescent]

Whispyr has realz on his payroll

CONFIRMED

[past marten]

I knew it 😦

[vestal wren]

Realz did say they don't do Kingmaking, so its just coincidence i guess

[grim jay]

Wish we wouldnt spread useless shit even if its a joke potentially

[grim jay]

Kinda happens across some classes tho

[midnight mist]

Hm

[past marten]

Realz did say they don't do Kingmaking fix Kingsbane, so it's just coincidence i guess

[midnight mist]

What about mage tho

[naive crescent]

Well zac has offered two months of his salary to fix outlaw so clearly he has to be outbid by somebody...

[midnight mist]

Not my salary

That wouldn't be that much

[grim jay]

Or maybe they just dont care

[real pike]

I would take an S tier raid damage for m+ meme spec monkey paw

[midnight mist]

I think raid tuning is irrelevant

Maybe hot take

[vestal wren]

There is a lot of evidence for prefered treatments of certain classes/specs. I did just repeat what was told in this discord well... quite a while ago

[midnight mist]

But you always get a spot in raid

[vestal wren]

Rogue in general feels like its a bit neglected

w/e of balance between specs (which is also not great)

[naive crescent]

Well we knew that already

[grim jay]

Came to my mind aswell, but is it really like that tho? Werent there some frost and fire mixups lately?

[midnight mist]

I mean the class mage is always (or most always in the meta comp)

Now granted Yoh could say it's cause lust is a limited raid buff

[grim jay]

Ah you mean mage itself as a favorite, alright. Thought you meant mage as a class with a favored spec

[midnight mist]

Ye

I meant the class itself

Is clearly favored

Both in term of dev time and tuning

[grim jay]

I sometimes feel like they just lack direction on rogue

[snow crag]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grim jay]

So they dont have much to put in if they dont know where they should be going

[midnight mist]

Eh

[snow crag]

!trinkets

[midnight mist]

I think there Is plenty to do in term of qol stuffs already

[spring prawn]

new rep is "just" for infinite augment rune right?

[tawdry forum]

does someone know which races are the best this patch for assa?

[normal mist]

Humans

They look the best

[midnight mist]

Just the hero talents themselves already could benefit from a lot of qol

[sand aurora]

which one?

[spring prawn]

take any costs 100g to swap

[split dock]

I read that you can buy them for 100g

[sand aurora]

oh ok

[normal mist]

Whichever color you like the most

[strange python]

so sin rogue plays the same as the last season just more damage?

[normal mist]

Yes

[quaint spindle]

Yes

[strange python]

oh cool

tyty

[zenith elm]

Us

[strange python]

does anyone know why i dont have world quests on my 2nd alt in karesh? i did the campaign skip and got the cloak

[swift escarp]

rotation with fatebound doesn't change anything?

[strange python]

oh are we no longer deathstalker?

[swift escarp]

you need to finish the diving missions (purple quest)

[strange python]

i thought i did... i got to "more than just a phase"

[swift escarp]

I don't think so for pure single target, but I'm not sure.

[strange python]

ahh ok, something to look into then

[swift escarp]

the skip is after entering the portal, the npc will be behind a "table/mini pillar"

[strange python]

yeah i did the skip 100%

it was in full red text asking if i wanted to skip

but it does not unlock world quests on 2nd character

my first character has em unlocked

[normal mist]

There are some changes, check whispyr latest YouTube video or wowhead

[golden loom]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[swift escarp]

fly to where you get the cloak with your alt, and talk to the npc 3/6 and get the cloak on the alt, I think that should solve it

[strange python]

this is my alt

i got the cloak

but no world quests

NVM just figured out its a visual bug - i have them, they just arent showing up on my map

[warm vortex]

Wait can you sell these new cloak sockets or is it like

Crafting orders

[jaunty sky]

Crafting order

Lvl 5 of new renown

For recipe

[vestal wren]

there are 2 versions:

• The base fibre you can get from a vendor (offers lower amount of stats)
• The "pure" fibre you need to do a crafting order for (offers higher amount of stats)

You can think if it as a socket, but you get the "gems" from tailoring instead

[warm vortex]

Ah ok

[clear shell]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[deep gyro]

Is there any gated currency for the pure fibre?

[normal mist]

Just socket one for the rest of the season

[sage wagon]

What's a good unitframe addon ya ppl recommend?

[normal mist]

Like plater?

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[clear shell]

What do you do when rupture and garrote finish on a pack, do i go 1 by 1 aplying those again or only to my main target and prio the aoe by caustic?

[sage wagon]

Not plater but the unitframe specifically.

[normal mist]

You need to have ruptures applied

And garrote on your main target

[normal mist]

I only use plater, can't be of help 😦

[sage wagon]

No worries, thx 😄

[clear shell]

So I always need to reapply rupture to all and garrote only to main tg for caustic?

I guess if enemy has to day in less than 10s doesnt need to

[normal mist]

Ruptures give you energy and agility

Which also gives you more funnel DMG to your main target

[frank trench]

🩸 build question for m+. Do I hold shiv until the mobs are lower for zoldyaks?

Or however it’s spelled 🙂

But for the execute

[red schooner]

You shiv to unethically maximise demise damage

[frank trench]

That’s kinda my question

[red schooner]

Save shiv for zoldyck is generally the play. That's what I tell people when they accuse me of playing solely for the big demise.

I also desthmark low HP bosses for this purpose so... Maybe don't follow my advice.

[frank trench]

I used to send right after applying everything but now waiting till pack is like 40% health significantly has upped my dmg

But also feels like I lose some of it due to demise lol

[grim jay]

How would demise make you lose damage

If it actually makes you not lose all of it in the first place

[red schooner]

Because sometimes the urge to go for the giga demise takes over and I send deathmark on bosses with 100mil HP left

[grim jay]

Yeah I know you are weird, but I meant him

[rough nimbus]

anyone has tips for switching targets for bleeds, i'm getting dizzy tabbing to rputure & garrote and then finding my deathmark prio target back im losing time

[red schooner]

Perfectly normal behaviour

[grim jay]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[sand aurora]

What plater profile do you guys use?

[grim jay]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[warm flint]

if you have dn up from the prev pack ignore the mark. dont even ambush also, go directly rupture/garrot. make sure you use your dn on prio target before it fades out and when you do, it auto applies mark to the target you envenomed at

[rough nimbus]

got it so basically i should stop getting dizzy for a little bit more damage and just bleed my main target

so it spreads

[frank trench]

If you shiv too late isn’t it a waste?

[grim jay]

Yep @rough nimbus

[grim jay]

Somewhat

You still boost demise

The closer towards the end of shiv they die the better tho, but you can at some point judge if they die faster and just shiv before execute

[gritty laurel]

proccing demise faster means the ret pally gets 1 less gcd so you can assert dominance

[red schooner]

TRUE

[royal hazel]

is stat prior still agi mast/crit

for DS sin

[grim jay]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[humble verge]

me when i proc 30m SD on rook first pack

[royal hazel]

thats old data

[gritty laurel]

that's not old data

[warm flint]

you just send a shiv on cd when 2 charges are available, making sure to get it on cd

[grim jay]

Its literally still the same

[royal hazel]

ez

ty ❤️

[warm flint]

never hold shivs just for execute

i mean its good if you shiv on execute ye, but never hold it for that reason ig

[ashen peak]

Is there a weakaura that helps with rotation? Something like maxdps or hekili?

[grim jay]

Luckily not

We dont need more of that stuff

[gritty laurel]

no, it's a pretty simple rotation to begin with and those addons still don't get it right

much better to take the short term L and actually learn the spec

[ashen peak]

Thanks

[safe swift]

where can i find talent trees for 11.2?

[red schooner]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[warm vortex]

Had my first ever wow hard crash lma

[fresh mica]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1402339140078665841/Dark_v2_1.jpg

[lavish geyser]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grim jay]

Wdym

[daring glen]

is m0 daily or weekly?

[red schooner]

Weekly

[warm vortex]

I reload and the program just closes itself

[viral ice]

in single target once i'm below half energy do i stop mutilate and envenoms and wait till above 50%?

assuming i used all teas

[safe swift]

how does Assa look performance wise for this tier?

[rotund oak]

tier is live like a day

but in all its fine

might take some time to provide definitive answers

[normal mist]

Definitive answers mid September

Around that time

When you know... There are actual live logs

[rotund oak]

dada

ah that one

[normal mist]

That's early November :3

[rotund oak]

:3

[proven willow]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[rotund oak]

the actual murderinc

[frank trench]

This is 100% true statement. I sat on dummies and just learned everything and my dps went up on average over 1 million in m+ vs when I was using hekili. Or if you use it as a “help” you have to know the rotation enough and interactions enough to know what to ignore

[rotund oak]

aint no way

[proven willow]

have i been found

[rotund oak]

yas,im a huge raid nerd

but much love

❤️

[proven willow]

❤️

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/james-franco-wait-what-wut-wtf-nani-gif-25479769

[main bridge]

As an added benefit you’ll actually know the spec and not depend on an addon that might be broken or unmaintained one day!

[tardy ruin]

does anyone else feels like something is missing without kingsbane?

[normal mist]

Nop

Glad it's not used in m+ bleed

Fucking stupid cd

[frank trench]

Talking about bleed build? God I switched over to bleed build hate the low boss dmg but man so much feels better to play in m+

Don’t miss kb at all

[proven willow]

can someone remind me what im missing from this command to make it so i rupture current target when my mouse isnt hovered

i thought it did it natty but it seems it doesnt

[golden loom]

#showtooltip Rupture
/cast [target=mouseover,exists,harm,nodead][harm,nodead]Rupture

[proven willow]

ty

[rotund oak]

basicly binds it to mouseover isnt it

havent used this for a while

[golden loom]

mouseover but casts at target if u dont mouse over anything

[proven willow]

uh

LMAO

why is it spamming /s

[golden loom]

you probably put a space

before /cast

[proven willow]

i copy pasted

no space

[golden loom]

or somewhere

[rotund oak]

[cold marten]

rupt re

space

[proven willow]

fixed the space

[golden loom]

Ruptre

/cast [target=mouseover,exists,harm,nodead][harm,nodead]Rupture

[proven willow]

omg

[thorny swift]

[proven willow]

lets wake up and play wow right away

[jaunty sky]

[nova kayak]

[strange python]

i got a trinket

[rotund oak]

last word of the command that changes line <<Ruptre>> (chewed on a ''u'')

[proven willow]

for some reason the original copy paste didnt work

seems the font format of discord added a space and i cascaded it

[rotund oak]

hold on need to dig on my macros fam

but 99.9% uwu macro is legit

[shut coral]

i know the feeling of getting trinkets

[royal lantern]

why is there a sparkle effect on the bottom of my screen

[proven willow]

at least there are no cast sequence rogue macros

[royal lantern]

[proven willow]

because youre beautiful

[nova aspen]

don't question the sparkle

[rotund oak]

there are couple but for pvp mostly and sub specific

not recommended

cs macros are dogwater

[royal lantern]

nah like

what is it

how do i turn it off lol

[red schooner]

You can't

Your game shall be fabulous, you get no say in the mattee

[viral ice]

my macros are cursed, i kept messing up caustic spatter so i set everything to cast on focus

[nova aspen]

some1 talked about it in sub chat also, i think its a bug effect from the cloak

[ocean ore]

Can you guys help me with a more detailed explanation of how to behave when pooling in raid?

[nova aspen]

personally i saw no sparkles

[golden loom]

wait you have your main target on focus?

[red schooner]

You don't

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[viral ice]

yes ambush macro to apply focus and shiv,kingsbane,envenom macros to hit focus target

[golden loom]

that is OMEGA griefing

[ocean ore]

ok! ty

[golden loom]

since you arent autoattacking your focus target

[viral ice]

whenever i cast ambush it retargets the focus 🤔

or mutilate

[rotund oak]

💀

[golden loom]

I would just stop with that asap

[rotund oak]

why would u do that

[uneven marsh]

Then why use a focus macro in the first place ?

[rotund oak]

unless u cheese ppl in arena with focus

[rotund oak]

the reasoning to put envenom on focus is crazy to me

even for pvp

[viral ice]

i use it because im bad at retargeting the bad guy with the spatter on, it works for me so meh

[rotund oak]

sure if it works for u

[golden loom]

spread your bleeds from that target instead

[rotund oak]

its fine

[golden loom]

you dont need to swap target

[rotund oak]

u actually lose spatter from there yes

the actual reason why sin doesnt have to do any swapping

spatter exists

[viral ice]

ok but then i kick and blind and prio target and lose the bozo in the crowd of bs

[ancient rain]

mythic 0 tazavesh is open this week?

[rotund oak]

u can kick and stun from focus

but envenom is just crazy

[golden loom]

aoe blind / and either mouseover kick / focus kick

rather than focus macroing all your other stuff

[rotund oak]

he can macro the kicks and stuns from focus its not bad

actually controls better the waves

its fine

but it is hard to apply

in actual real time scenarios

like pulling in ML first pack and kick the rogue cast

its a fukton of mobs

[viral ice]

i can post them to get you real cheesed lol

[rotund oak]

but u kick ur focus

[rotund oak]

ild jump out of ur screen and slap u though for that focus envenom

thats strictly not recommended

[viral ice]

behold my creation

[golden loom]

you even spelled the pot wrong....

[rotund oak]

[pliant remnant]

thanks I hate it

[grave sandal]

where the love blizzard

[golden loom]

but whatever makes the game fun for you king

[viral ice]

thats so i dont use it during world content, i fix it in dungeons

[pliant remnant]

the most unforgivable of all the unforgivable curses

POTIO

[naive crescent]

me when i dont want to play the game

[rotund oak]

the ambush macro is an oldschool tricks/ambush pvp macro

[spare kayak]

focus ambush? what the hell

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392807916543017000/1402649073311416421/WarcraftRecorder_2025-08-05_21-13-03.mp4?ex=6894ae3f&is=68935cbf&hm=269740ffda7589e9630f4f0fee5ea85dfe7659b224a75b08dfbfe42ea49e9149&

gally working

[rotund oak]

but my eyes bleeding on that envenom

[rotund oak]

yes,it was a thing

for pvp at least

[spare kayak]

what for? i knew there were pyroblasts and other big casts on focus, but ambush?

[red schooner]

They finally made p2 hard

[viral ice]

my whole thinking was that you want to funnel all damage through the spatter target so this forces that

dont have to think about who is spattered if you set it at the beginning of the fight

[rotund oak]

makes u highly unpredictable coz 99.9% of ppl play with ''target of target'' u can target someone and hit someone else so its dmg they cant possibly predict

thus making u extremely lethal

[scarlet orbit]

Are there only 6 m0 dungeons available for the first week?

[spare kayak]

that sounds so unnecessary lol

[rotund oak]

well if u are pushing for gladiator+ thats obligatory 😛

[spare kayak]

what?

ive never seen anyone use that shit

[rotund oak]

u are crazy

[spare kayak]

but thanks for the explanation

[rotund oak]

many rogues use that

in pvp its rly just binded

thats how ppl avoid being predictable

its very simple concept

[spare kayak]

im guessing we are talking about previous expansion when ambush actually mattered

[naive crescent]

yus

[spare kayak]

expansions*

[naive crescent]

so have to do 2 without gear drops to fill out vault slots for next week

[rotund oak]

yeah for the most part,now focus stuff mostly used for cc

to avoid losing targets into the mess

[spare kayak]

yeah, makes sense

[gusty marten]

any1 knows why sanguine blades hits like a truck in open world content sometimes?

[spice surge]

Scaling is weird sometimes

[lost hamlet]

"sometimes it be like that"

[dense cove]

is there only 1 world quest in the new zone right now?

[stone charm]

there are more than 5 for sure

[dense cove]

hmm i can't see them on the map for some reason. only had 1

[gleaming geyser]

World Quest Tracker was borking my WQs

handynotes was also causing some issues for me

[worldly dock]

Hey guys
Wich is the best Spec for this season so far? Deathstalker or Fate?

[marsh fjord]

!fb

[prisma monolith]

Only changes for fatebound are macroing cold blood to kingsbane and vanishing during the cold blood buff during deathmark in order to double flip coins. Otherwise regular rotation, finishers on 5+

Min-maxes currently only include using shiv before deathmark with the Fatebound 2 piece equipped in order to buff the coins. The 4 piece is worth using, and you will want an 1:30 trinket (lily or prism) to buff your deathmark windows accordingly.

[stone charm]

fatebound in full single target, deathstalker cleave/aoe, for now stay deathstalker:D

[marsh fjord]

DS in m+, fatebound on ST

[worldly dock]

sounds good
didnt play Fatebound at all and i was a bit concerned about it

[royal needle]

Fatebound is easier to pickup but lags in the damage dept

[open mountain]

Are we meant to be using this arterial precision bleed build for m+ yet or is it for season 3 tier only? Seem to be doing bonkers dmg with it on 5 dummies with s2 4 set

[royal needle]

Did an m0 tour last night and it still slaps ^.^

[normal mist]

It's was mostly bis whole season 2 and will be even better in s3

[royal needle]

The tier set working with shiv looks promising

[normal mist]

Big overalls with bleed

And big funnel

[worldly dock]

So we kinda keep the bleed build right?

didnt checked the wowhead yet

[normal mist]

Yes

[open mountain]

Oh ok, missed a season, didn’t realise that was the build last tier. Cheers

[thick juniper]

We vanish anytime during cold blood?

[slow snow]

The only time you don’t send bleed build is in title level keys or if your team is desperate for priority damage

Rn it’s insanely OP for m0s

[iron carbon]

Be careful, you will summon Zeross saying bleeds is bad prio

[naive crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/wwe-coffin-world-wrestling-entertainment-gif-17903370

[royal lantern]

i mean, he never said bad prio

he said worse

which is true

[iron carbon]

Nope, he said "bad prio among dps"

No worse

[royal lantern]

but also, "prio dmg" is something that doesnt matter for 99,9% of players lol

[normal mist]

Facts

[iron carbon]

Agreed

[main bridge]

Prio deez

[warm vortex]

First 2 runs of m0 and i got pacemaker and seaforum

Life is good

[naive crescent]

At face value, "deez" seems absurd—a punchline without a setup, a fragment of internet humor. Yet its very emptiness invites reflection. Like a Zen koan, it subverts expectation, forcing us to confront the limits of language and meaning. To ask “What is deez?” is to stumble into irony, confusion, or shared laughter—each response revealing our desire to make sense of the senseless.

Culturally, "deez" functions as both joke and signal: a marker of in-group awareness and a commentary on how meaning is shaped by context. It reminds us that even the most trivial expressions carry the weight of social participation, and that sometimes, absurdity is the clearest expression of our time.

[iron carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/nuts-chestnut-peanut-walnut-hazelnut-gif-17852541

[lime echo]

hello mates, Is the whole thing about staying above 30 energy in ST still a thing?

[south token]

https://i.imgur.com/EC8DdgZ.png Aware

[lime echo]

meeeeh i was thinking about switch but

[nova aspen]

dracthyr rogue is yuge change what u mean

[dense flax]

did blizz do any tuning yesterday between ptr and live or is this same tuning we had on ptr?

[normal mist]

No

[grim jay]

never was a thing

[lime echo]

Wasn’t it about the thistle tea proc thing ??

[normal mist]

No

[grim jay]

it always was irrelevant

[sand aurora]

is there an updated version of this

[normal mist]

We never cared about it

[solar wyvern]

I honestly dont even believe bleed to be the defacto best (for top end). I feel like once keys get to a point where packs live longer than your initial stealth empowered bleeds you're becoming significantly worse. Cant vanish on every pack after all. Maybe it doesnt matter and the damage youve dealt is enough but i can never trust bleed being actually good at the top end.

[lime echo]

Oh really, I thought it was important to use that tea only during the Kingsbane window

[normal mist]

It is

[main bridge]

SavedInstances does all this without covering your screen

[normal mist]

But you'll always have 1 charge for KB

[solar wyvern]

It is but tea is on a 1min cd and so is kb so youre guchi

[sand aurora]

is it an addon?

[main bridge]

Yes

[iron carbon]

Heu... yes?

[sand aurora]

thanks

[lime echo]

Ooook, I thought you had to keep the maximum number of charges possible and use them all during KB, I didn’t think a single tea was enough

thanks a lot mates

[normal mist]

I don't play top end, but I saw eleem talk about it yesterday or the day before, saying that bleed with this tier got even stronger and most likely best overall

[solar wyvern]

Maybe, it just doesnt feel right to me.

If itemizing haste is better in m+ though i will certainly take it

[normal mist]

Also why are we beta testers too this patch? (Eu)

[solar wyvern]

We tested on NA and found that the bugs werent bad enough to report. Sorry eu

[main bridge]

NA servers were so cooked last night

I had to give up and go to bed

[fallow canopy]

Same

PTR experience sent me too bed early

[cloud musk]

is sudden demise bugged atm?

[main bridge]

How is it bugged

[cloud musk]

deals not enough damage

it sits at 1mil executes atm while it was at 5mil+ 11.5

[normal mist]

World content sudden demise might be a bit whack

[cloud musk]

im in delves atm

[grim jay]

or doesnt work at all

[solar wyvern]

My demise was critting 30m in my m0s last night so odk

[celest tinsel]

Guys if playing dungeon do you use kingsbane on your builds?

[normal mist]

No

[celest tinsel]

i kinda like the idea of kingsbane to use it on boss but i dont know if its worth it

[normal mist]

It isn't

[humble verge]

JUGEEE

[normal mist]

In a way

Things die too quickly for your KB to be worth it

[normal mist]

HUGE

152.07Gold!!!

[solar wyvern]

Same !

[humble verge]

also pepelaff

we win these

[nova kelp]

I'm so doomed when it comes to mythic week - I just did a world tour, got pacemaker, lily, signet, and sacbrood

that's it, all my loot luck for the season gone on day 1

[raw marlin]

lol wtf is this sparkly thing on the bottom of my screen that wasnt here before i logged into new patch today

[rigid sierra]

Anyone else having an issue with cancel aura'ing Darkest Night? I normally use it between packs in M+ so that Mark applies correctly but it seems that macros aren't working to cancel it anymore?

[raw marlin]

!macros

!narco

!marco

fml

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[naive crescent]

cloak sparkleys

[hallow glade]

[rigid sierra]

Thanks loop, but doesnt answer the question

[raw marlin]

that was for me

i didnt even read your question lol

what is the macro to cancel stupid fucking spark thing when you go stealth?

[coral ibex]

dont do that

someone was talking about this yesterday i think

[hard river]

it seems to have a no cancel flag

[coral ibex]

theres no reason to cancel your DN buff

just build to 7 cp by spreading improved garrotes or ambush off the rip

[rigid sierra]

I mean, otherwise even though you apply it with the ambush it doesnt consume anything until you 7cp envenom so its just wasting damage no?

Surely it was better to cancel it then its working as intended

[coral ibex]

you still get the DN consumption effects

so im not sure what you mean

[rigid sierra]

Do you? Even though the stack count doesnt go down?

[coral ibex]

you still get the benefits from consuming the DN buff

which is not the same

as consuming a mark

check your talents

[bronze marsh]

sub wants to cancel DN in aoe so that's not great

[eager condor]

is the fatebound dream dead ? it was on delve and single target yesteday

[bronze marsh]

good thing we don't play ds lol

[gray raven]

champ lily is the best on use we can get this week yeah

[coral ibex]

why would you want to cancel a buff that gives you this effect

[humble verge]

WTF XDDDD

[coral ibex]

you dont want a guaranteed crit with 60% extra damage?

[humble verge]

bis stats

leech

and socekt

[rigid sierra]

I'd rather the mark actually apply correctly so i dont have to have envenom be my first spender in aoe instead of applying bleeds

but sure

[hard river]

i think it's better to just answer the question instead of prodding people to explain themselves

[rigid sierra]

That directed at me?

[quaint spindle]

Still showing fatebound fir ST raid encounter

[hard river]

no, nooj who wanted you to explain why you are trying to cancel it

[quaint spindle]

But DS is BIS all other scenarios with more than one boss and cleave

[eager condor]

hmm ok

[quaint spindle]

I've not tested or simd myself however

[eager condor]

yeah the above shows fatebound, the links show deathstalker, im sure its still kinda a WIP

[astral current]

as i see there're crafters already doing pure fibers in trade chat

how can i farm renown 5 real fast?

[jaunty sky]

Lotsa world quests, all the side story

Rares

[astral current]

gotcha, thx

also where can i get 2nd spark piece
just woke up and tryin to get my shit in one piece

[gray raven]

Darkmoon buff this week as well

[balmy condor]

The thing is that you can have it both ways. The actual cycling of the mark does nothing in aoe, especially if you don’t have caustic up to cleave the tiny amount of damage that the mark’s doing. The whole thing with the mark in aoe is having the mark up for singular focus, and then eventually getting your darkest night envenoms. In the situation that you cancelaura, you’re just canceling the thing you’re trying to build towards in the first place, when you could’ve just had that to begin with an consumed it when you were ready

[astral current]

papa whispyr is typin

[nova aspen]

^whispyr

9 am hes totally in bed still

[balmy condor]

You’re probably actually losing damage that way because if you cancelaura and then break the mark down and get darkest night, you lose the mark’s effect obviously

[quaint spindle]

Lnaoooo

[balmy condor]

Where as if you just apply it without doing gymnastics with some whack ass macro

You would maintain the mark and have darkest night

So in that regard you’re actively hurting your mark uptime

Which is where the damage is

[umbral sierra]

The god has spoken

[proven willow]

are we craftin ascend on dagger

[slow snow]

Is it safe to assume the 1:30 trinket from ecodome is fatebound on use bis? I was lucky enough to get it last night

[rigid sierra]

No worries, thank you for the explanation.
Always saw the infinite mark not counting down as a bug and the macro was my way of getting around that and getting the mark actually rolling. With that being wrong I'll just go with the flow.
Cheers Whispyr

[balmy condor]

Np

[spice spire]

np

[viral apex]

yo for fatebound rotation, when am i supposed to use cold blood?

Whats the macro?

[main bridge]

Whispyr has a nice video on fatebound

[balmy condor]

You macro to kb

[viral apex]

alright thanks!

[rotund oak]

huge

its champion though,next week gonna change it

[humble verge]

probably

but its still big

it does depends on sims tho, or if i get wrists

[rotund oak]

actually very big coz socket

but ye

[humble verge]

yea

socket is like

2 ilvl upgrades?

or is it only 1

in equal difference

[rotund oak]

more like 6 iirc

or something something

[humble verge]

i was thinking 2 upgrades as in 6 ilvls

[rotund oak]

that works too

😂

meanwhile im reinstalling wow

coz drivers

least my connection burns jetfuel

will end soon

[coral ibex]

sometimes getting people to explain their thought process makes the issue very obvious

also i did answer it first, i said you consume DN which provides benefits

his reply to me indicated that he thought his first spender being envenom was an issue, which it really isn't

also im just some guy, he has no reason to implicitly trust anything i say

[hard river]

meh, i think "you cannot cancel it" is better than "why are you doing that read your talents"

sometimes it makes people feel put on the spot and they feel bad for asking

ofc, that didn't happen here in the end, so it's fine

i guess i saw that the question has a literal answer that you cannot cancel it anymore so the shebang about doing it or not was superfluous

[coral ibex]

sure, but if it becomes cancelable in the future, now they know why they shouldn't instead of just "an authority told me"

[sharp trellis]

HI all , is corruption still a thing to do for s3 ?

[fallow canopy]

am I blind? how tf do you get to the nether realm on the world boss?

[humble verge]

so uh

one of my guildies got 714

[deft shard]

someone as the macro for fatebound

[spice surge]

No

[sharp trellis]

ok ty

[acoustic roost]

Is this more race/faction change shenanigans like the circe ring? 🤣

[nova aspen]

do u mean the island? fly there

the boss wasn't in the phase realm for me

[humble verge]

no idea

[fallow canopy]

he has a damage amp when he retreats

and you can go on the nether realm and get more dmg but I have no idea how it works

[nova aspen]

ohhh lol i thought it was kill the adds phase

xD

it was basically unplayable for me last night tho i just had to afk and wait for 6 retreats

8 second input lag

[fallow canopy]

managed to see it, they are like little bright purple/pink swirls

holy fuck with so much shit going on they are barely noticeable

[humble verge]

wait

[bronze marsh]

yeah legit took almost 11 minutes to kill it last night

[hexed root]

anyone have a recommendation for easiest/fastest delve to grind up to 11?

[dim tide]

the new one

kill mobs to 100% and the just kill 3 elite

6-7 min

[waxen panther]

i hope fatebound for everything bc night stalker play is garbage

[hexed narwhal]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[spice spire]

It won’t be for m+, extremely likely

The tree for deathstalker helps it for aoe and hurts it for fatebound

[lethal arrow]

fatebound feels weird after playing dsm for so long

not being nagged to hit a 7 cp envenom

[cosmic robin]

anyone else having issues of not losing combat even with vanish?

[coral ibex]

depends on the context

vanish doesn't drop combat in boss fights

which includes dungeon bosses afaik

[cosmic robin]

actually its open world in karesh, i believe its some bug with dots?

[coral ibex]

oh, maybe

[low grove]

So, I got lilly, does the use prio change? Do I sent it after the first DM combo on CD or force wait the 30 secs to line up again?

[lethal arrow]

for fatebound?

[low grove]

dungeon scenario sry

[lethal arrow]

oh, just macro it to DM no?

[low grove]

I read whispyrs note on that its a good line up for fb anyway

on wowhead

so I was curios for dng/m+

[lethal arrow]

it's perfect for fb since its 1:30

but otherwise I think u just macro and forget it

[dense cedar]

Just use it with deathmark

[lethal arrow]

if ur pressing deathmark, press ur on use

[low grove]

tyvm gamers

[main bridge]

the lag is starting up again already

[languid gate]

Where the hell could I get a dagger from? Like my rogue is benched since S1 😄 M0 got me no luck, what can I do 😄

[fierce sigil]

which sim do i use if i wanna see my best gear for dungeons or raid and what should be prio? i think it is advised to use different sockets for example.. do i go for Raid ST Sim sockets?

[digital venture]

@balmy condor did you update class WA and plater? I love yours

[balmy condor]

I’m going to push some updates later today

[digital venture]

for both or just the plater? did the class wa suffer something?

[cloud musk]

seems like my SD is realy bugged. full bleeds and a 70mil mob goes lower than 100k and SD only proccs when he dies

[balmy condor]

The WA should be the same but some people have said it’s bugging out so idk, going to make some minor tweaks and then release a new version, if the WA is working for you, you shouldn’t need to update it

[buoyant gull]

I'm still confused reading the wowhead guides, is there a tl;dr for when to pick which m+ talent build?

[balmy condor]

Are in open world content (world quests/delves) or instances content

[cloud musk]

delves

[digital venture]

I'm gonna run some m0s now and i'll let you know if it bugs

[cloud musk]

when they die fast, go bleeds. if you needsmore prio, go poison

[balmy condor]

Yeah, open world is bugged with scaling nonsense

[balmy condor]

That’s not actually true

[cloud musk]

ok ty

[balmy condor]

It’s realistically only for boss damage, prio damage is equal or worse as you go more poison focused

Bleed single target isn’t great, which is what the cleave build is for

[loud light]

if you're not sure which talents to pick it 99.9% means you should go bleed build for m+, it's more forgiving and better overall

[balmy condor]

Hybrid tries to balance them out a bit

Yeh

[buoyant gull]

but just for general m+, going to keystone master etc.

[buoyant gull]

alright

[balmy condor]

Definitely bleed

Bleed was timing 20’s last season

It’s not an issue at all

[loud light]

you WILL be wondering what you're doing wrong on bosses when you have no energy

that is expected

[royal lantern]

whisp, does raidbots have the option to change the stats on the new cloak for sims

[buoyant gull]

yeah ive noticed that

[loud light]

alternately get your tanks to pull in a couple trash mobs and life is much better

[quiet oriole]

!bleed

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[languid gate]

@balmy condor tell me where I can get daggers from, my rogue was benched since S1, M0 didn't get a single one, i am stuck with 636 right now

[balmy condor]

M+ next week

[buoyant gull]

i got a dagger from dawnbringer rn

[balmy condor]

Or craft one with the spark

Crafting one is optimal anyway so probably do that with whatever

[balmy condor]

It’s a gem, there’s a section at the bottom of top gear with the rest of the gems

[languid gate]

bro, even hc daggers are better than mine haha

[balmy condor]

Then go do heroic dungeons I guess idk

This week doesn’t mean shit

I wouldn’t worry about it

[royal lantern]

thanks, could not check myself cus mobile internet is poop

[languid gate]

yy i know, just want to get in keys next week as quick as possible 😄

[lapis depot]

so do we play deathstalker or fatebound in m+ ?

[hexed root]

i got a new dagger from the weekly wq chest

ezpz

[nimble tartan]

guys im playin sin to start the mythic raid season because i hate the crafting system and swappin stats

[balmy condor]

636 dagger won’t stop you from doing m+, not having friends will

[balmy condor]

Deathstalker no question

[nimble tartan]

st raid

[languid gate]

not having friends is problem nr. 2 iksdeh, i mean main has 3.8k score from last season, hope that will help me

[balmy condor]

3.8 and you’re pugging m+ week 1

[languid gate]

i am only pugging😂

[balmy condor]

Idk how you do it

That sounds like a miserable life

[languid gate]

it kinda is, yep

[balmy condor]

I’d simply stop playing tbh

[languid gate]

a lot of patience and a bit of luck

[sharp trellis]

why can't we have Iron Wire again T-T

[royal lantern]

wdym

just take it

[thorn thorn]

So you know how people go to the zoo to look at other animals

Thats what pugging is like

[sharp trellis]

And give up some damage ? nah ty

i am just crying

[royal lantern]

no its not

zoo animals are keept in a way where they cant harm people

[thorn thorn]

Its a petting zoo

[royal lantern]

petting zoo filled with plague rats, yeha

[thorn thorn]

You willingly put yourself in the danger zone

Correct yes

[dim tide]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1402339140078665841/Dark_v2_1.jpg

[coral ibex]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[latent bluff]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[fickle fossil]

!up

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1402339140078665841/Dark_v2_1.jpg

[vast pond]

This macro bug is driving me nuts

[novel star]

what macro bug

[vast pond]

It's like cast sequencing won't work. I have mut and stealth in a macro so stealth will be cast when not in combat and it will put my character into the stealth animation, but not actually in stealth. Same with my shiv and tea. Sometimes it will cast both, other times just tea

[novel star]

shiv tea was working fine for me i think

idk about that other shit but sounds wack

unlucky. game bad ig

[random fossil]

anyone else having issues with mouseover party frames?

[eternal hawk]

quick question, do we only start playing fatebound once we get the new 4p on st? or is it worth playing it now after the buffs?

[balmy condor]

It’s worth now

[eternal hawk]

sick, ty

[quiet oriole]

I think there is all sorts or fuckery with everything. From having to relog everytime I need to complete a quest to all my add ons screaming at me. I had to delete all add ons and re download.

[covert pulsar]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[quiet oriole]

Elv ui?

[hexed root]

are yall using brann as dps, tank or heals? dps seems p bad

[acoustic roost]

heals

[nova aspen]

heals

[hexed root]

o7

[thorn fjord]

@balmy condor did they change the tazavesh dagger? I’m guessing it’s not something we want like before this time around (hopefully)

[balmy condor]

What

[thorn fjord]

Wait

I’m confused

Nevermind lmao

[nova aspen]

[acoustic roost]

wrong megadungeon XD

[thorn fjord]

Wrong dungeon

Lolol

[balmy condor]

Bro it took me until now to remember Dawn of the infinites was a dungeon

Dragonflight dungeons were so forgettable

[distant fog]

Best dungeon is halls

[fallow estuary]

Do we have an estimate value where breakin tier-set is fine?

22ilvl? 👀

[royal lantern]

probs just asap

[distant fog]

What is breakin tier

[night vessel]

do we still play bleed build in m+?

[fallow estuary]

replace your old tier set for new pieces

[royal lantern]

oh

[distant fog]

Oh

[royal lantern]

i mean, you will replace it with new tier

[distant fog]

But when is the question

2 or 4

[royal lantern]

it literally just got better

[royal lantern]

sim

[distant fog]

Oh it wont matter for me

I have no tier this alt is a massive L

[random fossil]

blizz

[haughty sedge]

Any good videos explaining assassination for someone new to it/rogue. Feel like hearing it explained might do better for my pea brain than reading the wh guides for the 5th time

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/war-within-season-3#replacing-tier-bonus

[distant fog]

Ill cyall in lfr nerds

[rotund oak]

yeah thats not happening

[nova aspen]

im always the only rogue in lfr

with 15 dk's

[acoustic roost]

ret pallies

[runic basin]

we are playing fatebound ONLY in pure ST fights?

[rotund oak]

😏

[acoustic roost]

[spice surge]

Academy first pull

[rotund oak]

bro's prolly fuming over his screen with ppl NOT READING the guide THE SAME MAN WROTE

[balmy condor]

Probably around half the raid fights

[light mountain]

youtube shindig 11.1 assa i found it helpful it’s long

[haughty sedge]

Thank you

[lyric crater]

question do we use fatebound now or after geting full T gear?

[rotund oak]

ask the robot friend

or wait till the robot can answer

might have couple of issues

[balmy condor]

It’s better in st without tier

[rotund oak]

wild

[fallow canopy]

This week is m0 and delves so might as well play crab build 🦀

[onyx falcon]

are helm enchants now disabled? i just saw red text that said "you can't use that here" but i havent seen any wowhead posts (or i missed it)

[balmy condor]

Yes

[onyx falcon]

ty

[lyric crater]

really they buff it that much ?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[lyric crater]

wow never though that day would have come to pass lol

[rotund oak]

it did friend

it did

[royal lantern]

turns out

when they buff it by a billion percent

because otherwhise it would end with a 0% playrate

it becomes better

[lyric crater]

deathstalker still good in M+

[royal lantern]

but without tierset its also still giga rng if you get the capstone or not

[rotund oak]

was under the impression we still needed the tset for fb but comes out it slaps

[royal lantern]

FB is hot garbage in aoe

[rotund oak]

i trust the whispyr

[scenic temple]

you guys think I can do one button rotation and not get kicked out of raid?

[royal lantern]

deathstalker is non-negotiable for m+

[normal mist]

Yes

[royal lantern]

are you doing lfr or normal? yes sure

[rotund oak]

even heroic,no one rly cares

[royal lantern]

eh, early heroic its sketchy af lol

[scenic temple]

we usually do AOTC every patch, but that wont happen immediately

[lyric crater]

lol only asking since wow heard has DS for M + still

[rotund oak]

also true

[glad ferry]

Is there a reason really I would want to track coin flips at all or

[royal lantern]

not really

what can you track there

not like you have controll over it or smth like that

[glad ferry]

yeah that's what I was wondering rly but I'm pretty dumb so I figurted maybe htere was

[royal lantern]

with tierset the capstone is guranteed on the opener

and like

after that its literally coinflipping

[glad ferry]

Soooo it's objectively just easier than deathstalker pretty much

Just press buttons

[royal lantern]

i mean, DS is the same

press buttons, every 4th finisher is max CP, thats it lol

[glad ferry]

You still need to think about your mark some times

[royal lantern]

FB is press buttons, do a slightly different opener

[misty holly]

In single target you never have to think about your mark so it's equally as easy, and in aoe deathstalker is much better so you gain a lot for the extra worry of dealing with marks there.

[glad ferry]

Well I know that in ST you dont, but you still kinda have to think about full CP env to reapply it is what I meant lol

[lyric crater]

i take it FB ok in cleave fight with toxic spatter talented in

[glad ferry]

FB is not very good in anything AoE

[lyric crater]

that a problem u know there going to be some cleave fights

[normal mist]

Deathstalker

[glad ferry]

justr go DS with cleave

[normal mist]

Fixed the problem

[rotund oak]

[glad ferry]

technically FB is just better in pure ST but even then we'll know for sure in practice later in the tier

rn im still skeptical it'll be better the whole tier

[distant fog]

Is it cleave fights or funnel fights

[rotund oak]

sounds like what a true pirate would say

[normal mist]

For DS, any cleave fight it's a funnel fight

[rotund oak]

singular focus

because he can

[distant fog]

If i get adds that survive longer then 10 seconds ill he happy

[rotund oak]

by default exist

[distant fog]

I swear the add fights become so bad later into tier

They just get stepped on instantly

[normal mist]

Whispyr mentioned that we might play fatebound in raid up to 6 bosses, depending if adds die really fast or not

[orchid pewter]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1402339140078665841/Dark_v2_1.jpg

[lethal arrow]

this next month they will survive longer

but once gear settles, fb might be played more

[strange python]

How much dps is the overall looking like for average people in m0 right now in bleed build? 680ish ilvl

[normal mist]

It's non timed content

Who knows

[distant fog]

Im 8-10mil on 5 targers

[junior frigate]

anyone knows what is going on ? why tempest is so low.....and where is spatter dmg???

[distant fog]

But i have no tier so

[strange python]

Just trying to gauge if im playing decently lol

[normal mist]

That requires logs

[strange python]

Maybe when keys come out

Saw casuals video on 19 floodgate, first pull doing 32 mil on bleed build. Im not a fan of bleed build but if its the viable spec in 19s, then I gotta get used to it

[safe swift]

which fiber do we pick for in our cloak?

[lyric crater]

CT got 9%nerf

[gaunt sigil]

If no spatter damage you didn’t activate spatter

[normal mist]

It's whatever

[acoustic roost]

can also sim in the gem section

[junior frigate]

trust me i did !!

[gaunt sigil]

I was gonna say I’m not sure if they added it yet but we had advanced sims built if it wasn’t ready to push

[thorny kraken]

ooo, sacbrood on the first run

[vocal basalt]

Does anyone know if there is a difference between the fiber they give you and the one you can craft?

[gaunt sigil]

What was this? A key? You don’t even have sudden demise. Your ct uptime is prolly just low if it’s that low. Spatter should be way up there if you were hitting your spatter target.

[gaunt sigil]

The amount of stats

[gaunt sigil]

I mean I’ve had it before where it doesn’t activate when it’s laggy but yeah it looks like you had it active. It should be up there unless there is a bug but I haven’t noticed it