assassination

[hexed root]

you're welcome :3

[balmy condor]

but it doesn't change that I'm pretty fucking mad about it now

[hexed root]

that reply is mostly ragebait

[vestal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/falafel-gifalafel-hazfalafel-icanhasfalafel-reaction-gif-reaction-פלאפלאנילקבליכולפלאפל-פלאפל-אנילקבליכולפלאפל-digging-gif-13411844

[jaunty sky]

It regens the longer the patch is out

[thorn thorn]

Just like everything else you said so far

[bronze pike]

reroll ret

[hexed root]

most of it was my density

[humble verge]

did u alert the cops

[hexed root]

not intentional rage bait

[thorn thorn]

Uh huh

[balmy condor]

no I just sent a strongly worded message

[hexed root]

im serious

[bronze pike]

i feel like im missing context

[jaunty sky]

Guys i got 71% humidity in my room how the fuck do i sleep

[hexed root]

sounds like hell

[bronze pike]

is this not about the izen list like every other patch?

[humble verge]

turn on the water

[jaunty sky]

Scroll up

[brave comet]

Ac

[stark matrix]

Dont' want to bother you too much but if you don't mind, here they are 🙂 (Snekywoahyer not Pin) https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xhFZqQd61YTXyNWg?fight=17&type=damage-done

[open wolf]

@balmy condor not that they super matter but links to all the delve trinkets are broken on the guide

[hexed root]

fuu's updated sims are using PTR information and will change in the future but a ton of content creators and others will create slop causing whispyr a headache to correct or something

[vestal geyser]

check the pin

[open wolf]

mb gang

[bronze pike]

oh so

its fuus list being dumb

and not izens list

[hexed root]

oh PTR information that SHOULDNT be public

[haughty flicker]

there was a leak

[bronze pike]

good to know

[hexed root]

fuu's list using current data versus final data

[bronze pike]

i didnt realized fuu would be kinda silly enough to do something like this tho

[balmy condor]

I had private APL -> fuu makes public sheet -> I do not give fuu APL so that the APL does not become public -> someone I gave the APL to that helped with it accidentally sent a sim -> fuu scraped the APL out of it -> now it's public -> I'm pissed

[bronze pike]

so ya

fuu did a fucky wucky

[humble verge]

change text to "assa is fotm!"

[bronze pike]

that kinda sucks man im sorry that happened

this is why shit like this stays underwrapps btw

[hexed root]

I mean technically Outlaw is simming the highest so surely nothing will bug whispyr

[bronze pike]

i legit thought it was just another someone grabbed whatever sim they found sent it to izen and now list is spreading misinfo again

[balmy condor]

he asked me for the APL last night and I said no and so he just went and scraped it from the leaked sim

[runic hinge]

Is the apl updated jsut for s3 or is it a new rewrite

[hexed root]

is it misinfo if it's accurate based on what we have currently?

[balmy condor]

it's updated, the rewrite isn't near good enough atm

[marsh fjord]

Outlaw always aims higher but once they have downtime they fall off nd there is no downtime in sims

[hexed root]

trust me, I hate my brain and trying to fix it

[balmy condor]

for the last fucking time yes

[runic hinge]

I see I see

[humble verge]

he cooked, then he got cooked

[balmy condor]

if you're making a survey, and you ask 1 person for their opinion, and then release the data you have

it's accurate based on what we have currently

but it's obviously stupid as fuck

[stark matrix]

i need a summary of what even is happening rn...

[hexed root]

and if you advertise that as final no changes its the fact of the situation, you're an idiot lol

[harsh anchor]

Scroll up, you'll find it

[stark matrix]

I've been scrolling for like 3m

[humble verge]

@balmy condor@zenith elm @haughty flicker @thorn thorn @normal mist

[balmy condor]

I cannot advertise anything because once the cats out of the bag it's over and the flow of information is too far to control

[stark matrix]

ty

[balmy condor]

it's like tabloid media

rumor gets made

how do you stop it

you don't

[marsh fjord]

If I see the word sim one more time I’m gonna crash out and play augmention

[hexed root]

whose asking you to advertise anything?

[hexed root]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simulate-gif-8199108223823847654

[humble verge]

forgot to add some names

[balmy condor]

aight I'm blocking you mate this is the most unproductive conversation I've ever had

[humble verge]

to that pic

[hexed root]

ironic with your name lol

[frozen glacier]

should we shut down the discord so the fotm rerollers cant steal our secrets

[hexed root]

:/

[vestal geyser]

"and if you advertise that as final no changes its the fact of the situation, you're an idiot lol" -lol

[haughty flicker]

i mean in the end whether you agree with him or not, the core of the issue is he was working on something he wanted kept private and it got leaked despite him specifically having made it known he didnt want it made public

[hexed root]

im just trying to understand "community is too stupid as a whole" and "i must protect this community"

[jaunty sky]

Are these rerollers in the room with us rn

[marsh fjord]

Yes

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-kenobi-of-course-i-know-him-hes-me-gif-12774102

[hexed root]

I get what you're saying @vestal geyser

[vestal geyser]

i think in the end dude the issue is that in the end its his decision, and you refuse to accept it

[harsh anchor]

A resolution has been found, why do we care anymore

[vestal geyser]

if you want sim numbers for ptr start theorycrafting

[jaunty sky]

Like why reroll to rogue when u could reroll to something that gets light

[raw marlin]

Buff me.

[haughty flicker]

if rogue got light it wouldnt be very stealthy now would it

[marsh fjord]

Oké daddy

[hexed root]

i dont even know what his decision is, I don't care what it is, or say it's wrong, I was just confused at the start of "this data shouldn't be public" gatekeeping mentality

like if the kids putting a fork in an outlet, let em, they'll learn boomer mentality whatever

[main bridge]

It’s because people will make misinformed conclusions about the data and then DM him about it

[harsh anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-emoji-discord-react-skull-react-stippystompy-infinite-loop-gif-11027671312549723534

[hexed root]

i feel like that happens no matter what

[vestal geyser]

the problem is that gets the metaphorical kid put in CPS

[hexed root]

regardless of the data

[proven willow]

numbers is rogue still fotm

[vestal geyser]

the data has his name on it

[proven willow]

daily check in

[vestal geyser]

it makes sense he doesnt want to endorse it

if its going to get twisted

[hexed root]

it has his name because of assassination or what?

[raw marlin]

Looks like you’ve been here forever. I can’t catch up on my phone. Do rogues now do +700% dps and give me free anal beads?

[bronze pike]

so basically he disrespected your wishes and posted it anyways

[vestal geyser]

hes the main theorycrafter, and he writes the wowhead guide

he also does the sims

[hexed root]

i dont see the data that has his name on it? I agree with you 100% on this

[marsh fjord]

Yes they do

[hexed root]

this i agree with

[stark matrix]

in most cases I assume people don't want in progress data or unfinished/incomplete data (or any other plausible reason) made public?

[bronze pike]

yes its misinfo

[stark matrix]

granted I don't know anything about the state of that APL or what it gives an impression based off of or how it's being used now that it is public

[hexed root]

all the info we have is going to be misinfo until the day it goes live though?

[marsh fjord]

No it’s dog

[bronze pike]

i honestly think

[stark matrix]

no?

[bronze pike]

that your not here to have any good faith conversation about this

[stark matrix]

That's not how that works

[proven willow]

wtf im almost 630

[hexed root]

no? It's all subject to change isn't it?

[raw marlin]

Does the sim in current make us look good or bad? I need to know so I can cry or plot evil plans.

[bronze pike]

your responses so far has been more ragebaityt

[marsh fjord]

Time to reroll to feral

[bronze pike]

and more intent on causing issues and arguements

[frozen glacier]

can someone tldr this argument

[stark matrix]

subject to change does not make something misinformation if a change hasn't happened......

[proven willow]

absolutely never

[bronze pike]

then you being willing to learn

[hexed root]

im sorry im fucking mentally ill idk what to tell you, you can ignore me too, it's all density i'm sorry I can't word things well

[raw marlin]

I’ve never seen sin move so fast.

[visual sun]

Even them long time rogues dont even know basics like AP stacks, so goes to show they wont even read half the guide in wowhead

[vestal geyser]

its not accurate, and people are going to take these numbers and twist them into tier lists and raid guides and etc etc etc, and people know who whispyr is because his name is on the wowhead

i dont understand how you STILL cannot be getting this

[bronze pike]

im not sure if your doing this on purpose or have some sort of mental issue that makes it hard for you to see

[hexed root]

but that data isn't on the wowhead

like

[bronze pike]

i mean i feel like if its truly a issue regarding that

[vestal geyser]

IT ISNT BECAUSE HE DOESNT WANT THEM TO

[hexed root]

idk i guess i underestimate others stupidty

[vestal geyser]

LIKE HE JUST SAID

HOLY

[bronze pike]

i feel like you should drop the topic and take a bit for awhile

i know you probably dont mean to cause harm

[hexed root]

zero ill intent

[bronze pike]

then this convo went on long enough

[raw marlin]

^name checks out

[bronze pike]

just like drop it and move on to another topic

i have

new art

do u guys want to see?

[hexed root]

ship it

[harsh anchor]

no

[raw marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/dax-norman-painting-modern-art-modern-problems-require-modern-solutions-juggling-gif-27319009

[vestal geyser]

username checks out

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/look-away-simpson-bashful-embarrassed-marge-gif-1191583262637258997

[stark matrix]

I'll come back later when it's nice and normal again to try and get some help 🙂

[marsh fjord]

Can I help you?

[hexed root]

what help ya need?

[stark matrix]

just trying to get better at the spec, https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xhFZqQd61YTXyNWg?fight=17&type=damage-done I'm Snekywoahyer not the other rogue

[marsh fjord]

Send it to me in DMs

I can review in like 30 minutes

[hexed root]

tank/jail positioning

[stark matrix]

[balmy condor]

I make thread

review in there

[humble verge]

your guild* is just ass, thats why your logs will be bad

[stark matrix]

Thank you!

[hexed root]

mines, only 22mil difference, only a 72 parse, but yea

[humble verge]

im surprised this is still a 79 today

[haughty flicker]

ok but show lfr logs

[haughty flicker]

[humble verge]

i actually havent touched lfr at all

since like

uldir

i think

[haughty flicker]

damn

[humble verge]

to actually gear atleast

i might have done lfr just to get tmog before

but not actually gear

lfr is the worst place to gear icl

[haughty flicker]

ye i do it for tmog whenever i remember to

steal gear from people who actually need it

because tmog>ilvl

[humble verge]

unironically

[river vapor]

would wow just be cooked if people stopped writing APLs

[humble verge]

i "boosted" a Ulgrax LFR

some guy wanted an LFR lockout or something

idk

juge payout of 13k

[jaunty sky]

No, they would crop up immediately again

[hexed root]

"There's no prize to perfection, only an end to the pursuit"

[haughty flicker]

yeah i mean you could send every single person with even a remote idea of how apl works to the shadow realm at this very instant and completely delete everything they've worked on

and someone would immediately just start working on it again

[hexed root]

as long as numbers exist they must be optimized

[humble verge]

man

how have i not heard this masterpiece before

https://open.spotify.com/track/5V5akuBxKpIlTUPaueNpyy?si=3d19c57da1594691

maybe i need to become gay and actually watch jojo for once

[sour skiff]

you guys are lusting to push it looks like, my guild lusts after in execute range

[jaunty sky]

Even if the concept was suddenly just fully deleted someone would go 'why dont we have sonething calculate the best gear for us instead of feelycrafting everything'

[stark matrix]

yeah, no choice in that but also not going to make a stink about it this late into the season on reclears

[thorn thorn]

Im underestimating a lot of things here too dont you worry

[earnest flume]

will there be an actual difference between opening with garrote or mutilate/ambush for fatebound?(just seeing this in the wowhead guide and curious) feel like it may be hard to shake the Deathstalker muscle memory at this point for raid. i suspect not

[thorn thorn]

Need this rn ong

[marsh fjord]

If you are curious about opening I would suggest watching whispyrr his new fatebound guide

[balmy condor]

nah you can swap them if you want

[thorn thorn]

The week before season always has me meet people that make me want to pull my hair out with tweezers and file down my teeth with sand paper

[haughty flicker]

thats hot

[humble verge]

i dont think i even was here pre 11.1

idk why im here now

[hexed root]

I feel that way in my job sometimes

[thorn thorn]

Bro are you new

[humble verge]

i just do dameg

[hexed root]

just have to accept their stupidty and do what you can to not let it eat at you

[thorn thorn]

No way I was here before you

[humble verge]

and post mp4

whar

[humble verge]

whar

[jaunty sky]

U can check profile

[thorn thorn]

Liar

You were here before me

[hexed root]

mega offtopic, any huel enjoyers?

[humble verge]

i dont think i sent a message here

before 2024

idk why i even joined back 2017

[thorn thorn]

Why join a class discord if you arent gonna shit post wtf

[humble verge]

reel

raal

rael

[thorn thorn]

[runic hinge]

[hexed root]

i joined years ago and when I thought I quit wow for good I quit all the discords

but here we are 🙁

[haughty flicker]

i joined every class discord at the same time

and never talk in any of them except this one

even when i play other classes

sometimes transmog because thats the only true endgame

[humble verge]

nvm

my first message

was 2019

about echoing blades lul

[raw marlin]

Everyone old

[thorn thorn]

Mine was about Sepsis

[haughty flicker]

my first message was complaining that a trinket wouldnt drop

very based

[humble verge]

ok what

[thorn thorn]

I was asking if Sepsis was playable

Cuz ability is cool

[marsh fjord]

first messasge

[thorn thorn]

This was pre spatter days

Sepsis probably would have been pretty sick with spatter but its deadge

[haughty flicker]

if it did

would sepsis love overcome spatter hate

[thorn thorn]

Yes probably

Idk I liked sepsis

[haughty flicker]

i had no strong feelings

it looked cool tho

we need more cool looking stuff

[runic hinge]

I aint looking for my first message

[thorn thorn]

I wouldnt complain if it returned

Bro just sort by old

[haughty flicker]

brother just click old

[runic hinge]

no

[thorn thorn]

[marsh fjord]

[hexed root]

lmfao

[haughty flicker]

wait

if we still had sepsis

we could use it to move mark

[thorn thorn]

Cooking now

[bronze pike]

memories

[thorn thorn]

[hexed root]

what are y'all doing for dinner

[marsh fjord]

eating it

what about you?

[hexed root]

https://tenor.com/view/sensible-chuckle-gif-3532650

[hexed root]

idk it might not be done yet so I might have to wait to make a decision

[marsh fjord]

JK it's actually 04:25 and im resetting my sleep schedule

[spice lagoon]

Which spec in rouge has highest aoe and ST damage or roughly similar ?

[marsh fjord]

already had dinner 12 hours ago

[runic hinge]

typical, in the assa channel at work

[hexed root]

but it's 8:30

[marsh fjord]

for me its 04:26

im eu

[spice lagoon]

It’s 10:26 over here

Pm

[hexed root]

i was trying to think of some dumb/even more dense reply but im not that clever

[marsh fjord]

yeah east coast right?

[spice lagoon]

Yessir

[hexed root]

maybe ill order some bdubs

[raw marlin]

Eww

[marsh fjord]

also hard to say, tuning isnt over yet. currently i feel like assa aoe is better then sub

[raw marlin]

Guy is in fake eu time

[marsh fjord]

but SUB ST is better then assa i feell ike

but really hard to say atm

[spice lagoon]

Yeah I seen videos PTR Sin in m+ and it’s not hard you right tho hard to say rn until after Tuesday

[raw marlin]

Fate bound sin is good enough for me

[marsh fjord]

i know that there is a big tuning patch coming the friday before the raid releases

i would check back after that

[spice lagoon]

Ok 10-4 hopefully no more dk nerfs and hopefully more buffs for rogue

[marsh fjord]

I honestly dont think rogue needs more buffs 😄

[hexed root]

unless something drastically changes, im just hard comitting to sub

[marsh fjord]

its fine like it is

[hexed root]

going fatebound will be interesting

[marsh fjord]

yeah good choice.

few damage amps in the raid

sub does good into them

[spice lagoon]

Yeah I’ve been playing rogue on mop and it’s really good

[marsh fjord]

But also @spice lagoon just play what you enjoy brother it's so small the difference it really doenst matter

and i dont think you are a world first raider

where it does matter

[jaunty sky]

The ppl it matters for dont have to ask

[marsh fjord]

true

[haughty flicker]

well

[marsh fjord]

i said this in casual twitch chat and 5 people gangbanged me

[haughty flicker]

they do ask they just do it in dms

[marsh fjord]

said i was elitsm

[haughty flicker]

[hexed root]

pizza or wings?

[marsh fjord]

wings

spicy one

[hexed root]

rip wings

[marsh fjord]

rip

[marsh fjord]

are you saying secretly you had JPC or kush in your dms bro

[haughty flicker]

no, but we do know that people like exile ask whispyr about assa stuff going into the race

same with the other specs im sure

[marsh fjord]

exile is to busy playing poe thats why he ask 😄

[hexed root]

hope jpc comes back

[marsh fjord]

Hes vibing

hes playing a lot of specs

saw him playing unholy in keys a month ago

[meager prism]

Yeah he was pushing with Yoda

[marsh fjord]

i think her is just to busy for RWF

because of uni

i think he said something like that

[humble verge]

can someone tell me why all youtube shorts streamers are so insecure with their "adjective = ban"?

i dont get it

[marsh fjord]

i dont even know what this means

[main bridge]

me neither

[humble verge]

this

i feel all of these gaming streamers seem to have a different variation

[marsh fjord]

people prob made a fat joke

[balmy condor]

its engagement bait and you fell for it

[hexed root]

the site started working again

[buoyant herald]

🎣

[humble verge]

i didnt even enter his stream

[buoyant herald]

No dips you ANIMAL

[hexed root]

i hate dips, ranch is gross

just saucy wings

[thorn thorn]

If I was a streamer I would be telling chat if they saw you to tip you 10g and brick the raid fight or key

[balmy condor]

ya but like you saw "fate joke = ban" and then thought about him and hovered to see if he's actually fat or what's up

it's like big thumbnail words

[buoyant herald]

Oh ok I get it. Yeah wing sauce is enough fuck ranch

[balmy condor]

but for streamers

[humble verge]

maybe twitch streamers should adopt this meta

[balmy condor]

the culture is different

[marsh fjord]

Whisp i was going over wowhead and i was wondering if you dont have early acces to araz trinket, what would be a replacement on use one. prob signet right? for the meanwhile im just looking to farm something outside of raid

or is there a better alternative

[buoyant herald]

There’s good 1.5m and 2m trinkets farmable from keys

1.5 from new dung and priory signet yeah

Also don’t sleep on the conquest PvP trinket, 1min agi on use with a bit of crit

[marsh fjord]

yeah but the 1.5 only gets played if you have 4 piece

[waxen oyster]

why do people act like playing sub or sin is a hard commit

they use basically the same gear

[buoyant herald]

It’s not great but it is super easy to get and deterministic

[waxen oyster]

except sub explicitly wants a 1.5min trinket

[marsh fjord]

we also want a 1.5 trinket

so its actually the same

[waxen oyster]

araz isnt 1.5

[marsh fjord]

if we go fatebound

we want the new dungeon trinket

[waxen oyster]

yeah i mean sin has always been able to play 1.5

[marsh fjord]

how you mean

[waxen oyster]

idk its a bit crazy to me how much people think secondaries matter

hoc for example

[marsh fjord]

you just delay 30 seconds you mean?

[waxen oyster]

yeah we just delayed 30

but hoc also just gave more stat than signet

[marsh fjord]

yeah thats what i meant

but now with araz you use it on CD and then you gotta wait entire minut

thats not really optimal

[waxen oyster]

yeah you'd play ds

[haughty flicker]

i wonder

[whole mason]

if only prism provide secondary stats rather than direct damage

[haughty flicker]

time to pvp for fatebound trinket when lily never drops

[whole mason]

you can use HoC

[marsh fjord]

Its kinda crazy that we have to farm 3 trinkets man 😄

[haughty flicker]

im very sure the pvp on use would be better than hoc

but would it be better than using a good 2m like forge and playing fatebound like a 2m

like whippy mentioned

[buoyant herald]

I’m a huge PvP on use advocate for early gearing

[waxen oyster]

idk

im probably top 2 in line for araz

[buoyant herald]

You can even use is for death stalker if you must, just macro to KB

[haughty flicker]

what boss is forgeweaver

its early right

[marsh fjord]

4th

[haughty flicker]

not bad

[marsh fjord]

yeah

[buoyant herald]

4geweaver

[marsh fjord]

But the thing is

[whole mason]

if you compare HoC to lily, it's just like 2k agi and this is a comparison to the max ilvl, if i remembered correctly.

[marsh fjord]

you really don't wawnt to delay kingsbane and deathmark by 30 seconds do you

just for araz

[waxen oyster]

this is assuming fatebound is even better in reality

[marsh fjord]

Well in curent tuning it is

[waxen oyster]

isnt it still worse with any extra targets

[marsh fjord]

yeah im talking about single target bosses

where you would fatebound

[waxen oyster]

so 1 boss

[marsh fjord]

no its quite some bosses

3/4

[haughty flicker]

well there are 2 guaranteed st bosses, dimensius is very possibly 3

[whole mason]

that's not accurately correct.

[haughty flicker]

then there are a few you could conceivably play it on anyway

[waxen oyster]

when was the last time an endboss

was st

[haughty flicker]

whispyr goes over each boss in his video

[marsh fjord]

yeah

[whole mason]

last season?

[marsh fjord]

no

lol

next season

[waxen oyster]

gally was not st

[haughty flicker]

the only adds ive seen mentioned at all in the dungeon journal are the big ones you dragonride to do damage to

but we dont know yet for sure obviously

which is why its just a maybe

[young flicker]

If you’re planning to play both sub and assassination, which one cares about the secondary stats more?

[waxen oyster]

blizz hasnt made endbosses without adds

in ages

[whole mason]

there is no pure ST in that sense almost for endboss, and that's not even worth to mention gally's adds, to a degree.

[marsh fjord]

Well dimensius does have adds

but

its like two big adds

[young flicker]

I’ve heard Sin doesn’t care about the secondaries as much so just full send sub secondaries. Is that true?

[haughty flicker]

like i said there are adds

[waxen oyster]

i mean gally adds matter

[haughty flicker]

there just might not be adds that effect fatebounds viability

[waxen oyster]

also you get one heavy haste ring or neck

and rest of gear is good for sub

[marsh fjord]

When we say adds we mean that the hero talent of fatebound gets negative value

and they are all stacked up

[whole mason]

all adds in endboss matter

[haughty flicker]

nobody said the adds dont matter

[whole mason]

Sylvanas adds? that's a damn transition phase. do you count Sylvanas ST?

[haughty flicker]

the point is the way the adds seem to work may not prevent fatebound from being the better choice

[marsh fjord]

i think dimensuis adds are actually on a oppesite side of each other

so fatebound also gets played there

[buoyant herald]

Also like…when people say negative funnel they don’t mean you’re going to start healing the boss with each stab

[whole mason]

How about Fyrakk? do you think that's ST?

Those adds matter too

[marsh fjord]

bro your talking about something very different then we are

[haughty flicker]

brother who the fuck said adds dont matter

what are you going on about

[honest needle]

so is fatebound the play for s3 ?

[buoyant herald]

There’s definitely cases where you’d lose more damage from target swapping and mark hijinks than a small fraction less delivered doom damage from FB

[marsh fjord]

For ST bosses currently yes

[honest needle]

whats best for m+

[marsh fjord]

DS

[honest needle]

same rotation as season 2 or are things different

[marsh fjord]

yeah same shit

[honest needle]

sweet

took a few month break

just coming back

[marsh fjord]

you play bleed build and if you need prio damage you go to the build with kingsbane

thats it

[whole mason]

The thing is if we're using most talent points for ST, Fatebound is not that behind. Ofc certain talent is terrible but FB has different focus.

[honest needle]

no more hybrid build ?

[marsh fjord]

You can play hybrid yes.

[marsh fjord]

bro

Fatebound is currently ahead in ST. if 6 adds show up in a fight and is on top of the boss you lose value on FB. and those bosses you want to play DS

[waxen oyster]

dk

[whole mason]

6adds uptime?

[marsh fjord]

yes because of a talent in FB

i forgot the name

[waxen oyster]

also hold on

did they ever fix tails damage not affected by zoldyck

[fallow canopy]

Delivered doom + fate intertwined

[haughty flicker]

i saw whispyr say yesterday it doesnt work

[proven willow]

killua zoldyck?

[fallow canopy]

Also DS having like a trillion aoe nodes

[haughty flicker]

so i guess not

[waxen oyster]

i feel that'd make it worse

on any fight where execute matters

i.e later ones

[thorn thorn]

Do we have another fucking clown talking nonsense already

[haughty flicker]

i have no idea how fatebound and ds compare in execute

[thorn thorn]

I barely finished my coffee

[marsh fjord]

Like the 3 boss has like thse whisp orbs coming on top of the boss thats a boss where you want to play DS

[waxen oyster]

im gonna let smarter people figure out hero spec

[marsh fjord]

Wouldnt it be the same?

there is nothing in execute on both of the hero talents that makes it better or worse?

[haughty flicker]

was it good

[waxen oyster]

tails coins are a pretty large contribution

[marsh fjord]

yeah thats true

[waxen oyster]

of fatebound damage

[marsh fjord]

but thats all the time

thats not just execute right

[thorn thorn]

Very

[marsh fjord]

if we speak on just execute nothing really changes

but i could be wrong

[waxen oyster]

ds gets bigger envs

so idk depends how it turns out

[marsh fjord]

Yeah but what has that to do with execute im asking

[haughty flicker]

ngl on fights where i cant play fatebound im probably just playing sub anyway

no more mark for me

i am ascending

[waxen oyster]

if fatebound coins dont get the amp from execute

it matters

[whole mason]

it does not

not be modified by that

[waxen oyster]

sub being able to double coup

[marsh fjord]

Well i dont know if it does

[waxen oyster]

looks big though

[haughty flicker]

also i need to play sub on a couple bosses anyway to make them give me tier first

[marsh fjord]

i think if it did whispyr woulda mentioned it in his video

[waxen oyster]

ill probably be second on tier prio

after dev

our warrior is a bit dented

[whole mason]

FB has coin heads for overall damage contribution and that's not necessarily to be a "Not AOE" node.

[marsh fjord]

oh

fuck

i pinged him

just to late

sorry 😄

[thorn thorn]

Correct they do infact get aoe but they do less when hitting more targets

[marsh fjord]

Sorry dont get the belt whispyr

[balmy condor]

for the record, deathstalker stuff also doesn't get zold amps

[whole mason]

What's summoned is summoned

[thorn thorn]

Very cool that a hero talent nerfs itself

[waxen oyster]

yeah but just about every ds node contributes to aoe

[balmy condor]

ye

[whole mason]

what do you mean by less damage when hit more targets?

[marsh fjord]

But in execute the hero talents does not change anything damage wise right?

[thorn thorn]

Or rather less ST damage I should say

[balmy condor]

welllllllllllll

not really

[thorn thorn]

Delivered doom nerfs itself when it hits more targets

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

cause deathstalker buffs envenom a lot

[thorn thorn]

So its less ST

[balmy condor]

envenom is zold buffed

[marsh fjord]

oh

[balmy condor]

most of the value of fatebound is just directly in the tails coin

[whole mason]

I was talking about heads and you're saying DD?

[balmy condor]

which isn't buffed

[marsh fjord]

so your saying DS more execute damage

[thorn thorn]

Oh, Dyslexia

[marsh fjord]

i didnt think of envevom zold buffs

[balmy condor]

I don't think DS is good enough to overcome the difference

but DS vs FB with all things equal

DS will gain more than FB

in execute

if that makes sense

[marsh fjord]

But what if 65% of the fight does not matterr and only the 35% would you go DS?

[balmy condor]

with current tuning no

FB is like a full 10% ahead

[marsh fjord]

Oke cool

[balmy condor]

zold isn't catching that up

[haughty flicker]

deathstalker gains more from execute, but not enough to beat fatebound still

[balmy condor]

ye

that's the smarter way

to say that

[whole mason]

yes, but all things equal is now a quite difficult to hold condition since more KB/DM due to shorter cooldowns.

[balmy condor]

yeh

like if FB just gets another DM in execute

DS is full cooked

[marsh fjord]

you guys gonna hate me, but right now because i never played fatebound and i did DS, i prefer DS and i wished it was stronger then fatebound i get nervous from change

[balmy condor]

regardless of everything

[marsh fjord]

the world first guilds they private log right? we can't see their data when killed mythic bosses

[balmy condor]

correct

basically every guild in the top 15ish

[haughty flicker]

just ping exile and have him give them to you

[whole mason]

no we cannot. almost all RTW/RWF raids logs are private

[haughty flicker]

[marsh fjord]

@haughty flicker you do it for me

[humble verge]

man

[waxen oyster]

they're probably gonna play sub

like they did for testing

[humble verge]

reading chainsaw man

[fallow canopy]

as is tradition

[humble verge]

and makima aint it

[marsh fjord]

what was that boss again in BFA

where they had like 4 sub rogues

[humble verge]

zuk

zul

[marsh fjord]

zul yes

[whole mason]

FB next season adds a brand new combination to Rogue, cleave with 45/90s burst plus execution

[waxen oyster]

i actually dont mind sub

well besides it actively has 5+ bugs

in any given patch

[whole mason]

almost every spec has more than 5+ bugs

[waxen oyster]

mage

you get blizz special attention

[humble verge]

if mage gets bugs

wow will somehow go undee

under

[waxen oyster]

the chill thing about rogue

is you see all the other classes talking about pressing defensives

[whole mason]

https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3AMage
read it

[waxen oyster]

"i just press feint"

[buoyant herald]

Sub is giga last resort level option for me, will only play if it’s way better than everything else for a fight and I don’t have to do big regearing for it

[waxen oyster]

you barely have to regear

[buoyant herald]

I know

[waxen oyster]

also most of those dont even sound that shitty

[marsh fjord]

@haughty flicker

He said

I dont know about that

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

[waxen oyster]

i just change my backstab icon to pretend its a gcd that does damage

[buoyant herald]

Oh shit that could work

Everything is perception anyway

[whole mason]

Mage gets big block in blue post every patch and I cannot see them actually getting anywhere beyond dps rooms. so much for the attentions.

[waxen oyster]

ctrl f rogue changes

404

[whole mason]

you cannot find rogue changes and yet Ravenholdt channel pins never die

[waxen oyster]

mage casually just flexing how many buttons they have

which most people never use

[whole mason]

if they dont use, flexing seems correct?

[waxen oyster]

no alot of them just die

when they shouldnt

shaman be like: best i can do is 3mil absorb on a 3min cd

[thorn thorn]

Dont forget the 40% DR on a 1.5m cd

[waxen oyster]

oh right absolutely massive

[haughty flicker]

dying is the best defensive

[waxen oyster]

[thorn thorn]

True

[haughty flicker]

you cant take damage and dont require healing

[thorn thorn]

You get to ankh

Honestly op asf

[waxen oyster]

i dont get how warrior mains floorpov

with how tanky that class is

[thorn thorn]

Because rally isnt a real button in M+ and its an excuse to not press anything

[waxen oyster]

SR

[marsh fjord]

Arms is quite shuishy actually

but fury

[waxen oyster]

impending

[marsh fjord]

is tankyaf

[mint urchin]

Hey I havent played much assa since S1, does the M+ bleed build pull that far ahead of hybrid/KB builds?

[thorn thorn]

One defensive is bad means all of them are bad

I dont make the rules

[main bridge]

you can sim all the builds pretty easily

[haughty flicker]

m+ stuff is a bit up in the air atm

but bleed will still be very good

[waxen oyster]

I also like how dks have shaman astral shift passively

anytime they drop low

[thorn thorn]

They have astral shift on a button wym

You just DS anytime you take a ton of damage and heal it all back

[waxen oyster]

lmao

i mean deathbringer has that passive that gives you hefty dr

[thorn thorn]

Speaking of DK

[waxen oyster]

im assuming they reworked reapers mark

[haughty flicker]

its no longer gamba city

[waxen oyster]

or else i wouldnt stop hearing dks endlessly bitch about it

[thorn thorn]

My pug adventures continue

[haughty flicker]

it cant give you another reapers mark anymore

[waxen oyster]

how are people losing to an aug

[haughty flicker]

aug op

[thorn thorn]

Idk bro

[waxen oyster]

idk dk players write literal essays about reapers mark

[haughty flicker]

known for its personal damage

[thorn thorn]

The sad part was I almost beat the dk on details too

[waxen oyster]

wait is that priory

[thorn thorn]

yes

[waxen oyster]

yikes

i feel anytime i get a pug aug

i do less damage on details

than when i just have skyfury

or shout

[thorn thorn]

Probably reality

[marsh fjord]

when i have a aug in my group i do like 1 million more DPS on details

[thorn thorn]

You wish you had augs with hands

I wish I had dps with hands

[haughty flicker]

i genuinely cant remember the last time i played with an aug

[thorn thorn]

We both cant get what we want

[waxen oyster]

and when i tank

i cant get dps with hands

and when i dps i get a tank who thinks hes in the mdi

[marsh fjord]

i always screenshot my damage but leave the aug out of it so it looks like im pumping

[thorn thorn]

I beat a boomie in motherlode too

[waxen oyster]

i beat a ret the other day

as prot war

also what key level

[haughty flicker]

[thorn thorn]

Both were 10s

[waxen oyster]

yeah 10s you get some animals

[thorn thorn]

The warrior is a returning friend and we were getting them their ports

[waxen oyster]

i've never done a key on my prot war

where i wasnt 3rd or higher

on details

[thorn thorn]

Worst part is the vdh joked about me beating the boomie and warrior in logs

Reality is often painful

[thorn thorn]

Im a healer typically cuz im shit at most specs

[waxen oyster]

if a tank doesnt play tome

i have trust issues

[thorn thorn]

On shadow I can barely beat my vdh in some keys

He always beats or matches me in priory cuz im shit at shadow

feelsbad

[waxen oyster]

the funniest is me with bdk

idk what im doing

just deathstrike

[thorn thorn]

bdk do be shitting out damage

[waxen oyster]

prot war shits out damage too

[haughty flicker]

brew does so much damage they cant make their sims work

[waxen oyster]

like you get demo shout+avatar to buff a 10 stack demolish

and just watch your damage go through the roof

[thorn thorn]

Brew is already well known for its damage

As is prot

Blood doesnt always have seasons where it does damage but when it does it somehow ends up like 4/5ths of a dps

[waxen oyster]

lmao rn its

get bloodbeast

win

[thorn thorn]

God roll bloodbeast, beat the dps on big pulls

[haughty flicker]

not blood but watching teams in mdi literally reset the fucking key if bloodbeast didnt proc

was the funniest thing ever

[thorn thorn]

[waxen oyster]

if you do low enough a key db can be fine

just get big scythe procs

[thorn thorn]

Im going into WW/Mw jail next season

Cuz I will be playing dead content at the request of my friend (pvp)

[waxen oyster]

glad or?

i dont recall ww being that strong recently

[thorn thorn]

They want to push for elite

Our plan is to do rated bg blitz

But I highly doubt we get even remotely close

Even in 2s or 3s

[haughty flicker]

the pvp enchant looks very cool

cool enough i might need to pvp

[waxen oyster]

thats only 1950

[haughty flicker]

my highest rank is 0

[thorn thorn]

elite gladiator

[haughty flicker]

so

[marsh fjord]

easiest way to get 1800 is to just do shuffle at the end of a patch

[waxen oyster]

s1 bg blitz was the easiest

[marsh fjord]

it took me 31 games to get 1800 a few weeks ago

[waxen oyster]

since way more players

[thorn thorn]

Kind of a problem when we want to queue together

[marsh fjord]

oh right 😄

mb

[thorn thorn]

But yea im gonna be playing Mw and they will be playing Fury

[marsh fjord]

you dont want to do 2s?

[thorn thorn]

Since you can only duo queue in bg blitz if one person is a healer

We both hate arenas

[marsh fjord]

ahh

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure arms is better than fury

in pvp rn

[thorn thorn]

I have a 0% chance to convince them to play arms unfortunately

They want to play with deathwish and do the cheeky oneshot setup fury has with it

[waxen oyster]

💀

then proceed to get globaled

by an ele sham

[thorn thorn]

Correct

I tried to tell them that but they wont listen so

Its jover

[waxen oyster]

i like seeing aug pvp

half their dam is eruption

[thorn thorn]

Aug is funny because they can legit oneshot people

And nobody expects it

Cuz their eruption in pvp legit crits for almost 6mil if they are scalecommander

[haughty flicker]

ive seen some very funny aug clips in pvp yeah

[thorn thorn]

Its very funny

[waxen oyster]

i mean dk dev was a very real comp

for a bit

took wwdk's spot

of grip into stun blow team up

i was doing elite mog grinds this season and like

anytime theres an fdk some rounds would last 20 seconds max

[thorn thorn]

It was also a thing for a short time in S1 with fdk/aug

Overlord was bugged with aug (first 3 enemies hit by breath of eons get targeted by an eruption for free) and was instead casting mass eruptions instead of regular ones

[marsh fjord]

Also i asked nova how much an elite boost would cost and they said it would cost 9 million gold

and then i just tried myself lol

[thorn thorn]

So you just got the mass eruption buff, fdk pulled everyone in and stunned them and you use eons on them and just destroy people

Very funny bug

[waxen oyster]

elite is 2.4

[marsh fjord]

sorry i mean 1800

wait 2.4 is glad no?

[waxen oyster]

oh yeah

2.4 is elite

[marsh fjord]

what glad then?

[waxen oyster]

glad is 50 wins at elite

in 3s

[marsh fjord]

ohhh

how is 1800 called?

duelist?

[waxen oyster]

rival

[marsh fjord]

oh

well too 1800 it costed 9 mill

[waxen oyster]

my easiest 1.8 this season was dh

got 2.3 before i knew what was happening

[thorn thorn]

The last time I played pvp was SL when peopel could global you with aimed shot n such

[young flicker]

Does anyone know about this? Or has it changed to where it’s better to go Sin secondaries if you plan to be playing both specs, but only want to gear for one?

[thorn thorn]

Now in TWW I tried pvp again, die to an ele shaman god proccing lava burst

[waxen oyster]

mm trueshot can still gib you

[thorn thorn]

[haughty flicker]

open world pvp in shadowlands as sub

press er and someone dies instantly

good times

[waxen oyster]

that was sl beta

some clowns would enter pvp with

ER then press skulker+grim codex macro

[haughty flicker]

it was on live at the start

because i didnt play beta and still one shot people

[marsh fjord]

assa doesnt give alot about secondaries. i dont know about sub

[haughty flicker]

[fresh kelp]

sin secondaries matter a lot less than sub secondaries do, so if you want to play both you should gear sub and keep a separate set of jewelry maybe to gain a little bit of % as assa

[waxen oyster]

i mean my sin gear has

one haste heavy neck

thats really it

[thorn thorn]

Fucking hate MM

[young flicker]

Perf, sounds like the same as season 2 then

I ended up going back to full sin, but….

[marsh fjord]

just do what the robot tells you to do

and you should be fine

[waxen oyster]

i mean you need some crit as sub now

[marsh fjord]

and just hold on to every mythic piece

[waxen oyster]

since you hitting drs by full sending vers mast

[marsh fjord]

and sim

[fresh kelp]

if you play the heavy vers/mast ring from db for sub you can just swap that with a big haste ring and you're most of the way there already

[young flicker]

It was critical/vers for sub most of the subs last tier so I just leaned towards mastery at the end when I went fully back to sin. Wasn’t bad at all and could blast in both specs with that setup

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255527413081833556/1397379865665343548/7-23-2025_02-58-37.gif

[waxen oyster]

huh

sub was vers mast last tier

then some crit

as we got more geared

[young flicker]

Yeah, you right. Had to check logs. I was Vers/mast

[hallow glade]

what cantrip ring

are you talking about this

[marsh fjord]

Yes that

and it doesnt even have

mastery

nvm

[hallow glade]

ok but

[marsh fjord]

ignore what i said

[hallow glade]

that cantrip effect is not very impactful

[marsh fjord]

that ring is completely useless for us

yeah

your right

i thought it had a good effect on it

[waxen oyster]

well early on

[haughty flicker]

reduced cosmic damage holy

[waxen oyster]

you technically have one ring slot

because gl dropping jastor diamond

[marsh fjord]

also item level matters less on rings

because of no mainstat

so i think we have jastor for a bit

[waxen oyster]

well its more impactful

than bracers

but thas not saying much

[marsh fjord]

yeah but bracers is only there to boost your ascendence right?

[waxen oyster]

iirc offhand and bracers are the two bottomfeeders

yep

seeing people talk about needing to recraft their embellishes is funny

[thorn thorn]

Oh no my 1%

[indigo wasp]

was curious if anyone could help me out on my dmg, im only 656 atm cause im on a alt but i feel like some dungeons im doing 6mil dps a pack and other dungeons im doin 2 mil a pack

idk if this helps but heres a dmg meters from a bad dungeon

[main bridge]

logs are a better way to get help

[balmy condor]

that caustic spatter is insanely low

but yeh

[waxen oyster]

you're not getting caustic spatter up

[balmy condor]

hard to know exactly what's going wrong

[indigo wasp]

ok could u explain to me how to get caustic spatter up? i thought it was just hitting the main target with fan of knives or mutilate while they have bleeds

[thorn thorn]

Mutilate

[waxen oyster]

you have rupture on the mob

[thorn thorn]

And with rupture

[waxen oyster]

and mut or ambush it

[indigo wasp]

only mutilate?

[thorn thorn]

Mutilate or a blindside proc Ambush

[thorn thorn]

And you can only have 1 active

[indigo wasp]

so should i not be using fan of knives? i saw somewhere its mutilate under 3 targets and fan of knives over 3

[thorn thorn]

You can still use fan of knives in aoe for combo

[marsh fjord]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[thorn thorn]

But you do want to upkeep spatter

Since it will be splashing your envenom damage

[spice lagoon]

Rather it have crit and mastery

[indigo wasp]

so basically fok for cp builder but mutilate every once in awhile to upkeep spatter

[thorn thorn]

Yes

If target count is >1 you want spatter active always

[waxen oyster]

if its more than 3 targets iirc

[hallow glade]

Casters get some crazy staff that has some insane defensive in it

[marsh fjord]

casters are getting a 2p

[haughty flicker]

ye the staff is funny

it comes from delves though so lower ilvl

[hallow glade]

Ahhh

[waxen oyster]

spatter is easily one of the strongest single point choice nodes

[hallow glade]

No wonder I couldn’t find it

[waxen oyster]

ever honestly?

[hallow glade]

That is a relief

[thorn thorn]

Probably ever

[waxen oyster]

like imo its way too early in the tree

for how good it is

[thorn thorn]

A big portion of your aoe from one point

[spice lagoon]

Make sure to have a good player so you know when caustic gonna go away

Plater *

[waxen oyster]

or just any debuff tracker

[spice lagoon]

I would get on wago and look some examples up

[indigo wasp]

i got a weakaura that tracks everything i need

[thorn thorn]

Ignored the spatter part apparently

[spice lagoon]

I got ya which one do you use ifydm asking

[marsh fjord]

i dont mean this in a offensive way but apparently not because otherwise your spatter wouldnt be that low

[indigo wasp]

whispyr edit

[indigo wasp]

i just dont know how class works 2nd day XD

[spice lagoon]

He’s using whispers I don’t see what’s going on

Ahhh

[peak helm]

I switched up my plater profile and lost the good tech I had for tracking bleeds, when they're empowered vs. not, pandemic window, etc. Anyone have a link to mods/ scripts they use?

[young flicker]

Check out the opener on wowhead’s guide, but one of your biggest things is to keep CS up on big pulls. Also keeping the ruptures up on 4 targets (assuming they live long enough) is massive agility gain

[indigo wasp]

yeh im just so use to playing as a tank and kicking and ccing everything i see so i keep like tabbing off my main target to help and get lost in the sauce

[young flicker]

Sin’s rotation feels really smooth and fun to me when you get it down…unless the DS buff drops and you don’t have vanish, then I want to free base a tide pod

[waxen oyster]

generally the recommendation is to keep your important kick target on focus

because not autoing your mark target is bad

[young flicker]

A good plater pack fixes that. It should change the color of your target that has CS and kingsbane up on it

[spice lagoon]

Yeah I’m playing rogue in mop learning it

Lmao don’t hate on me

[waxen oyster]

mop rogue

[marsh fjord]

thats 5head tho

learn different itteration of rogue

go to retail

and play it there

https://tenor.com/view/meme-you-cant-outsmart-me-thinking-use-your-head-smile-gif-17109386

[peak helm]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[lethal arrow]

its about the same

just swap vendetta for deathmark and its the same spec

[thorn thorn]

I mark the highest hp enemy and mouseover kick

[young flicker]

I mark/target the highest hp hero and contribute 1 blind on CD. Gl everyone else

[grave sand]

I'm looking at the APL in fuu's 11.2 sims. Why is fatebound using fok in the opener? This line seems very deliberate but I don't get why
fan_of_knives,if=talent.hand_of_fate&dot.garrote.ticking&!dot.rupture.ticking&!buff.envenom.up&buff.double_jeopardy.up&cooldown.kingsbane.ready&cooldown.deathmark.ready

[obtuse robin]

is kb still bugged in the sims

[raw marlin]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[marsh fjord]

Yes it is

[obtuse robin]

[marsh fjord]

wait hold on i dont know how the sims are looking i dont look at sims. but on PTR its still bugged

blizzard hasnt fixed it yet

[obtuse robin]

surely fixed b4 patch

[marsh fjord]

who knows

[raw marlin]

^ lol

Working as intended.

[thorn thorn]

Using an incomplete apl

[marsh fjord]

Fuu rather uploads sims which are completely incorrect and leave people like you asking qeustions like this

so all you can is just wait till that gets fixed

[thorn thorn]

Real

Cant remember the last time i used kidney shot in pve

[grave sand]

So unbind mut, got it 👍🏼

[thorn thorn]

Im gonna assume thats a meme

[hard river]

perhaps trying to send a 4cp rupture so it does not flip a coin

[balmy condor]

it's not a gain

ignore it

[spice lagoon]

Oh yeah man he’s level 50 so far leveling I’ve learned a lot

[obtuse robin]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[halcyon grail]

So wait wait wait hold up, because I been gone a minute, FATEBOUND?!

[prisma cypress]

looking that way

[neat flame]

Ty for new video @balmy condor

Always look forward to the explanation with a side of beverage

[balmy condor]

you're wrong

it was 6

you had uh

water

and then uh