Has to not nerf itself first
#assassination
thorn thorn
winged quail
But it does good boss damage 
dawn pollen
yes very good for m+ s tier
abstract leaf
bro if whispyr is aristotle for rogues this guy is a flat roguer
slim hamlet
nah with next weeks buffs to fatebound we are Crazy Style
thorn thorn
But it does good boss damage <:garf:1320173032743899157>
Ya until one add is introduced and you suddenly do less damage
slim hamlet
Ya until one add is introduced and you suddenly do less damage
Its so fucking funny that this exists
how is that real
thorn thorn
I really wish it was a meme because it would be less painful
winged quail
Deathstalker has perma AoE buffing talents fatebound has perma AoE nerfing talents makes sense perfect balance
thorn thorn
You could play DS Sin and have funnel and have a great time
Or play FS and have... reverse funnel?
Idk what you would call less ST damage as more targets are added
Is that even a thing that exists
sonic zinc
anti-prio
thorn thorn
anti-prio is acceptable
slim hamlet
its erm
sonic zinc
its straight up removing prio damage
winged quail
Anti-funnel
slim hamlet
think we can find a way to abuse focus targeting with our spec too? 
Actually
wouldnt that be easy
whole mason
The biggest thing wrong is Fate Intertwined, where it should just be 30% crit damage for env that either for st or spatter
thorn thorn
It just does aoe
If hit more target do less damage
If hit less target do more damage
slim hamlet
Yea I guess it just says of envenom dmg
if it said your target then it could probably have been abused like the mage thing
whole mason
Or alternatively aoe if multiple targets except prio and st if no other targets, cleave two targets without prio is silly
No application scenario
Or you can totally bug the talent and provide an aura so we don't need to bother this talent and it does not eat our DPS room
elfin flame
I HOPE I DID GOOD
buoyant herald
Good yap brother
hallow glade
Goated yapper
tough gorge
You did good
marsh fjord
I HOPE I DID GOOD
not enough sandbagging but loved the yap bro
solar wyvern
Ye but you fucked up by not saying how cool sub would be with kyveza aninations smhmyhead
thorn thorn
True
dusty crag
I HOPE I DID GOOD
shouldve talked more about restealths
sonic zinc
not enough sandbagging but loved the yap bro
nah someones gotta be honest if no one else will, and rogues are the most honest class 🙂
tough gorge
I think the other class representatives sandbagged so hard, that the list probably threw you off lol
marsh fjord
nah someones gotta be honest if no one else will, and rogues are the most honest...
we are stealthy backstabbers we gotta be lying
thorn thorn
idk the fact demo isnt in omega S tier is actually criminal
sonic zinc
we are stealthy backstabbers we gotta be lying
super honest in that thats what we do tho
thorn thorn
The warlock rankings are proof this tier list was never meant to be good
slim hamlet
nah someones gotta be honest if no one else will, and rogues are the most honest...
Real
thorn thorn
Its just a contest of who can sandbag the hardest
marsh fjord
blizzard sees this tierlist and is gonna nerf us
slim hamlet
Also S tier m+ might mean we get invited to pugs
tough gorge
s tier for assa was very honest, the other dps are a bunch of liars
flint tusk
Also S tier m+ might mean we get invited to pugs
Come now bro you know that’s copium they won’t take us because rogue
thorn thorn
The people putting their specs in S tier were the only honest people (not demo)
MM being D tier in M+
Is just
buoyant herald
Yeah that was crazy work
thorn thorn
Like
haughty flicker
demo being forced to go in s tier was very funny
thorn thorn
Literally nobody except max apparently believed that
haughty flicker
dude was actually trying to sandbag so hard
winged quail
MM dobby is criminal work arrest that man
drowsy lotus
I think the other class representatives sandbagged so hard, that the list probab...
i think his ranking were very fair. Just because others sandbagged doesnt mean he should. the DK Sandbag was the most wild to me.
slim hamlet
Should have gone with Crazy Style
drowsy lotus
MM dobby is criminal work arrest that man
DK sanbag was worst because they sandbagged 2 specs
tough gorge
i think his ranking were very fair. Just because others sandbagged doesnt mean h...
I'm not saying he got rogue wrong, but others probably were not in the positions he thought so he had to readjust the ranking he wanted to give
pliant remnant
MM dobby is criminal work arrest that man
It was Azor, right
hallow glade
I cannot tolerate havocs saying their funnel is better
thorn thorn
DK sanbag was worst because they sandbagged 2 specs
Unholy B tier in M+ is also crazy
slim hamlet
dude was actually trying to sandbag so hard
Idk if you actually watch him talk about it on his YouTube it seems good. Only actual sandbag is mage and maybe hunter m+
thorn thorn
Nah
Kalamazi was legit sandbagging this one
Its very well known that demo was looking to be omega S tier just because of its monsterous output
He had no business trying to sneak demo in A tier
slim hamlet
I don't understand one thing tho. He has been talking up aff a decent bit on his vids, but here not at all
thorn thorn
Everybody knew it was going to need to be S tier for raid
drowsy lotus
ok but A tier is like still in the meta range. DK PUT BOTH SPECS OUT OF META TIERS
thorn thorn
There isnt much to talk about with Aff
drowsy lotus
A tier isnt exactly sandbagging
thorn thorn
S tier is reserved for the best of the best specs
jaunty sky
Aff is still just good spec but horrible to play
thorn thorn
Which demo is currently in raid
Aff is just a situation of the output is fine but nobody plays it cuz not many people find it fun
tough gorge
S tier is reserved for the best of the best specs
no, crazy style is for best of the best
slim hamlet
ok but A tier is like still in the meta range. DK PUT BOTH SPECS OUT OF META TIE...
Might be recency bias of last changes being shit gameplay wise as far as I understand
thorn thorn
crazy style is for overtuned specs
tough gorge
so the best is also not overtuned? what lol
thorn thorn
the specs that will get nerfed either post race or before season starts
drowsy lotus
Which demo is currently in raid
but its in S tier so how is it sandbagged
slim hamlet
Crazy style is for brining 2+ 100%
drowsy lotus
bro i cant now were gna sandbag boomkin
thorn thorn
but its in S tier so how is it sandbagged
He tried to get away with it being in A tier eventually but he had to be convinced to put it in S
slim hamlet
Here we go for real sandbagging 
thorn thorn
so the best is also not overtuned? what lol
Crazy style is wacky overtuned
And like I said will typically be the first ones to get heavy hits after the race or on season start
Not always though
Enh somehow survived S1 after the race
drowsy lotus
Whats the worst sandbag? Hunter Dobby tier? DK both tiers?
thorn thorn
I cant find a single person who believes its actually D in M+
marsh fjord
so it makes sense.
drowsy lotus
and the m+ list is for super high keys
according to who? Every key Yoda does and others use MM
slim hamlet
I haven't seen a single good thing about unholy tbh
drowsy lotus
bro actually trolling
thorn thorn
If I had to guess its because epidemic got target capped so it neutered its super high target count damage
Or was it bursting sores
marsh fjord
according to who? Every key Yoda does and others use MM
According to the entire MM discord.
drowsy lotus
@marsh fjord lmao. watch rewatch all of yodas streams today, there was almost every spec represented
marsh fjord
There was like 2/3 keys lol
drowsy lotus
Every key yoda did was with a BM today
Thats so cope his 18 timed was with MM / DK / MAge
marsh fjord
Thats so cope his 18 timed was with MM / DK / MAge
i never said he couldnt time it bro. i said that MM is inherently bad now in higher keys. because they lost so much damage.
frank trench
I’m going to try playing the inverse of mouse over rupture and have every ability macroed to a focus except rupture so I can set focus and go ham into it then target around for ruptures while still popping my death marks and still easily see my focus
thorn thorn
Thats what hunters have in general
drowsy lotus
i never said he couldnt time it bro. i said that MM is inherently bad now in hig...
If you had actually watched the stream, you would know why its relevant. They had failed like 6-7 keys in a row and then when Arcane mage came in with prio and MM with the massive aoe it was much easier.
marsh fjord
If you had actually watched the stream, you would know why its relevant. They ha...
I i think you mis understood what im saying. lets drop it bro im tired lol
drowsy lotus
They fail a bunch of high keys > they try MM hunter / Mage > MM hunter bad in high keys?
marsh fjord
its 5 am, argueing about a spec that i dont even care about lol
thorn thorn
If ur in EU why are you
slim hamlet
gotta grind
marsh fjord
because my sleep is actually mega cursed
slim hamlet
u wouldnt understand
marsh fjord
no im just playing single player games lol
not even next week.
few m0's
campaign
and done
thorn thorn
I have been busy with helldiverrs
haughty flicker
im back to playing bg3
surely i get out of act 1 this time without restarting 20 times
main bridge
i have like 800h played in BG3 and i only beat the game once
jaunty sky
surely i get out of act 1 this time without restarting 20 times
Me with rimworld atm
thorn thorn
i have like 800h played in BG3 and i only beat the game once
Bro?
jaunty sky
Constant restarts cause i dont wanna play my cursed last start
main bridge
nah i just like making mods for it so i did a lot of testing
plus there's always some new comp or whatever to try
and act three is by far the worst
so it's more fun to restart a lot
balmy condor
Me with rimworld atm
I should call him....
jaunty sky
I never made it rhrough act 2
earnest remnant
cap frfr ong, he just straight cheeks
haughty flicker
i just like trying new classes
earnest remnant
I should call him....
i do identify as H-I-M
haughty flicker
and instead of respeccing i feel the need to restart and play all of act 1 as that class
earnest remnant
as per the bbno$ once said
haughty flicker
also play on honor mode so a couple of times ive just outright died to the wrong dialogue choice
storm forum
does atrophic poison actually stack?
balmy condor
yes
haughty flicker
yes
storm forum
damn
jaunty sky
The further i go into BG3 the more annoyed i get with inventory management and combat
storm forum
how many people have asked?
storm forum
i paused for dinner and ive been watching at 1.5x speed and just caught up
jaunty sky
I should call him....
The new stuff is really cool, im weaning off PoE with small rimworld sessions now
haughty flicker
the new dlc looks sick
storm forum
ive been playing too much priest, i gotta get back on the rogue train
jaunty sky
I have to restart my colony every time i learn something new about rimworld systems cause it triggers me to look at the permanence of my mistakes in my colony setup
thorn thorn
Factorio is that concept on an industrial scale
jaunty sky
Which is basically every day
jaunty sky
Factorio is that concept on an industrial scale
Yeah but i managed to get through factorio once 
thorn thorn
Did you beat space age
jaunty sky
Also factorio doesnt have my vitally important pawns trying to kill themselves
haughty flicker
Also factorio doesnt have my vitally important pawns trying to kill themselves
me when i eat without a table
jaunty sky
Did you beat space age
Nah it was before that came out, i do wanna sit down sometime and like really plan out fsctorio from scratch
thorn thorn
Also factorio doesnt have my vitally important pawns trying to kill themselves
If you want to do that just play Oxygen Not Included
jaunty sky
Do the math on all the setups and shit
thorn thorn
Nah it was before that came out, i do wanna sit down sometime and like really pl...
Space Age very goodge
fallow canopy
I finished expedition 33 last week, had to reevaluate my stance on the fr*nch
haughty flicker
i really need to play that game
digital sigil
France redemption arc
fallow canopy
i really need to play that game
Its one of the best things I played recently
marsh fjord
cried 5 times in that game
thorn thorn
France redemption arc
They are called Civil Wars
jaunty sky
me when i eat without a table
My pawns when i specifically position them between two turrets so they cant get shot by either and immediately on unpausing they move into valid turret target range instead of standing still and shooting
haughty flicker
digital sigil
They are called Civil Wars
💀
marsh fjord
The music and the events of exp 33 is one of a kind
thorn thorn
I cant play turn based games
jaunty sky
<:garf:1320173032743899157>
Quickest alt+f4 into going to bed of my life
fallow canopy
I cant play turn based games
You can play on the highest difficulty and suddenly it may be a turn based game but the only thing getting turns is the mobs on your cheeks
jaunty sky
Turn based but its always your turn to be the victim
thorn thorn
I just play helldivers for that
fallow canopy
(Its not the hardest thing in the world but the combat does feel more rewarding)
thorn thorn
You can play on the highest difficulty and suddenly it may be a turn based game ...
Idk I just dont like turn based games
fallow canopy
Turn based but its always your turn to be the victim
Basically
thorn thorn
Feels very slow
fallow canopy
I get it, I felt the same
thorn thorn
Thats also part of the reason I cant handle playing ff14 over wow
The combat feels so unbearably slow compared to wow
I cant do it
fallow canopy
I'm a fps frog so it def wasn't my kind of game but got recommended that and decided to give it a shot
digital sigil
2.5 gcd double weaving 
marsh fjord
ff is is slower it has a 2.5 gcd
marsh fjord
whoever decided the 2.5 gcd 
thorn thorn
Its actually unbearable
fallow canopy
It feels like mud
jaunty sky
FF was really fun to me for a while
marsh fjord
in end-game it does get better because you press alot of spells of the gcd
jaunty sky
But then they gutted my class
drowsy lotus
Ok i visited the Hunter discord that place is doomed. They dont think Dooby is sandbagging and they think Arcane mage being top of A tier is sandbagging lmao
i cant
jaunty sky
RIP Black Mage
marsh fjord
Ok i visited the Hunter discord that place is doomed. They dont think Dooby is s...
haha i told you 😄
thorn thorn
Ok i visited the Hunter discord that place is doomed. They dont think Dooby is s...
Bro BM was dooming about them being knocked out of the meta over a 3% aura nerf
Do you think anything serious happens there
jaunty sky
Thats also part of the reason I cant handle playing ff14 over wow
The problem with FF is that is has a lot of amazing raids but it also has 200 hours of mandatory story on a 2.5s gcd without ogcds in front of em
jaunty sky
Can buy story skip
marsh fjord
guys i gotta reset my sleep schedule before wednesday give me some ideas
jaunty sky
So you only have to do like 20hrs of story
main bridge
what's the point of even playing FF if you want to skip the story? the whole game is watching movies and story
thorn thorn
Then play 16 hours of endgame content
jaunty sky
guys i gotta reset my sleep schedule before wednesday give me some ideas
Stay up rn until at least 9pm, sleep exactly 8hrs
thorn thorn
jaunty sky
what's the point of even playing FF if you want to skip the story? the whole gam...
Some ppl dont care
thorn thorn
Hi its me im ppl
marsh fjord
Stay up rn until at least 9pm, sleep exactly 8hrs
9 PM is in 18 hours from now lol
jaunty sky
I quit dawntrail partly cause i REALLY couldnt get myself to care abiut the story
thorn thorn
I quit dawntrail partly cause i REALLY couldnt get myself to care abiut the stor...
After BFA and SL I stopped caring about the story in any game I play
My brain has gone numb
jaunty sky
WoW one wasnt interesting to me
haughty flicker
I quit dawntrail partly cause i REALLY couldnt get myself to care abiut the stor...
yeah it definitely was not the best
jaunty sky
But FF hooked me with it so i loved the whole saga up till its end in endwalker
haughty flicker
the fights were actually pretty fun but once i did them i just stopped playing
jaunty sky
But after that
Man
You really cant go from saving universe to babysitting some annoying princess that has to overcome trials with the power of friendship to become new queen
marsh fjord
I do think that the midnight cinematic is gonna be a fucking banger
we even made a bingo list
jaunty sky
They promoted the writer of shadowbringers and endwalker out of the writer position like ???
marsh fjord
😄
haughty flicker
You really cant go from saving universe to babysitting some annoying princess th...
I think it would've been a lot better if the WoL actually ended up as a mentor to her and helped her overcome the issues she started with (lack of confidence, inferiority complex comparing herself to her brothers, feeling like she has to do everything by herself)
But instead there was like one cutscene where you say "hey don't compare yourself to your brothers" and suddenly she's over every single issues she's ever faced
jaunty sky
Yesh the underlying issue for me is that were watching a movie with some non gameplay in between
haughty flicker
And it happens like two quests in
haughty flicker
Yeah it wasn't great
jaunty sky
Like if at least the gameplay in between was fun
But combat feels less impactful each expansion
The quests are giga ass
Just a shame tbh cause i think that game still had a lot left for me
Getting big fish title for example
haughty flicker
Idk I feel like the combat is mostly fine, and I think the fights were fantastic; biggest issue is still just the insistence that every single spec be 2m
Feels so limiting
haughty flicker
Yeah 100%
jaunty sky
You just wail on whatever
Always kinda takes the same amount of time
Basically no danger
drowsy lotus
Azors point makes sense though he based is on BM and put MM one tier lower. And him being one of the earliest to go kinda messed it up in comparison.
hoary remnant
And warlock is sandbagging so hard. I know some guilds below rwf and they are prepping lots of wls
hoary remnant
Azors point makes sense though he based is on BM and put MM one tier lower. And ...
Being the first is just unlucky
main bridge
are they? warlock is well known to sim the highest
main bridge
yeah so who or what is sandbagging
drowsy lotus
i cant
hoary remnant
If it stays this way you will play 3+ wl
If you play bm it's like fury warrior you get brain damage
You can't only play that one spec
Great alt horrible main
thorn thorn
I have to say he is right only because im making a lot of assumptions
thorn thorn
If we assume that prio damage implies the existence of other targets
Then yes they are not the same
haughty flicker
Me when he starts off every time saying the tier list is for fun and is completely garbage and everyone takes it seriously anyway
jaunty sky
But tier lists are the reason im not top dmg
thorn thorn
Stealing this ty
jaunty sky
Not my skill
balmy condor
having people dm me asking if rogue is cooked cause shindig put assa in S and blizzard will see
clowns
thorn thorn
balmy condor
as if blizzard could give even a little bit of a shit about some whack ass meme tier list
fresh kelp
having people dm me asking if rogue is cooked cause shindig put assa in S and bl...
wish you were watching during the restealth discussion
drowsy lotus
I think theres an interesting discussion about profiles to have though and how things are changing and shaping out. but i didnt expect a wave or just shit being thrown on the wall lmao
balmy condor
wish you were watching during the restealth discussion
I wasn't watching on purpose I felt a disturbance in the force
haughty flicker
I think theres an interesting discussion about profiles to have though and how t...
thats originally what the idea was, give people a chance to talk about their specs going into the tier
thorn thorn
I think theres an interesting discussion about profiles to have though and how t...
Im assuming what he means
haughty flicker
and the tier list is just there to jingle keys + make money
drowsy lotus
The coping of people telling me Boss dmg is prio damage is funny to me idk
haughty flicker
but of course everyone focuses on the tier list
thorn thorn
Im assuming by prio he means in aoe what does more damage to big thing while also doing aoe dam
Typically those will be funnel specs
balmy condor
the issue is that if you give passionate people a platform to yap, they'll yap, and then max gets bored even though he's mostly just sitting there letting it happen
and then if you're not in the first like 4 classes
you'll start getting shit on
jaunty sky
having people dm me asking if rogue is cooked cause shindig put assa in S and bl...
Redirect them to shindigg 
balmy condor
because max is bored
haughty flicker
chat gets vile for sure
balmy condor
the class that goes first gets like 30 minutes of air time and then the last 3 get 30 min combined
be like that idk
fresh kelp
he let shindig talk for a while despite being near the end of the stream and said he thought his long yapping was great
jaunty sky
you gotta hide the chat
Its on screen 
balmy condor
he let shindig talk for a while despite being near the end of the stream and sai...
yeah was rare to see
but good
thorn thorn
Maxes chat is full of the most delusional humps if dumbasses I have ever seen in the game
Its insane how dumb some of the people on there are
fresh kelp
i was surprised because he did kinda look very bored
haughty flicker
dude nearly fell asleep at his mic
drowsy lotus
The mage hate is real though lmao, doesnt matter waht the state of mage is. If its not in S t ier chat gna flame.
Top of A tier? SANDBAGGING
haughty flicker
well yeah fuck mages
thats the only think i agree with chat on
no such thing as an ethical magus
drowsy lotus
smh....
Im a mage convert
Imagine always being 3rd on dps meter but meta. truely the worst
jaunty sky
i was surprised because he did kinda look very bored
Organizing like 20 ppl and listening to each of em for 5hrs straight is so exhausting
thorn thorn
https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100
Yea I know the irony
An Aug player saying others are stupid
drowsy lotus
the class that goes first gets like 30 minutes of air time and then the last 3 g...
To be fair though. Max does seem to have a pull with Blizzard and in the past they have reacted and changed stuff based on his comments or streams. So i do get why people get overly invested.
thorn thorn
Real recognizes Real
balmy condor
To be fair though. Max does seem to have a pull with Blizzard and in the past th...
bit of confirmation bias though with these things a lot of the time
like yeah, someone goes on max's stream and goes "this thing is super strong/weak/buggy/shit to play"
and then blizzard fixes an obviously strong/weak/buggy/shit to play thing
and people go "look they listened to the stream"
spice onyx
!gudie
thorn thorn
There are very few people who have insiders with blizzard
spice onyx
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
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thorn thorn
Relevant people I should say
balmy condor
like yeah maybe I guess but also if something is busted OP
they're gonna ya know
fix that
regardless of what some glorp on stream says
jaunty sky
and then blizzard fixes an obviously strong/weak/buggy/shit to play thing
Wdym my rain dance doesnt work i did it earlier and its raining now
drowsy lotus
smh
balmy condor
or like thinking that sandbagging on max's tier lists = blizzard won't tune or will buff
drowsy lotus
we should have sanbagged for bug fixes
balmy condor
like its absolutely delusions
you're telling me blizzard is like oh shit max stream, and he's cold-calling random people to see if they pick up
and those people that we don't know if they're trustworthy
then say its weak
so then we need to buff it
????????????
drowsy lotus
or like thinking that sandbagging on max's tier lists = blizzard won't tune or w...
i think people actually think like that yes
drifting plaza
people also think the earth is flat
People all arond the world
balmy condor
People *all arond the world*
I had some like alt-right conspiracy theorist at uni try to tell me that the horizon line at sea can be explained by the earth being curved
and I'm like, so the earth is round?
and he goes
no
it's like a half-dome
and I lost my shit
drowsy lotus
I had some like alt-right conspiracy theorist at uni try to tell me that the hor...
theres a youtube video of a flat earther doing that and proving the earth is round and hes in shock
drowsy lotus
tbh i think blizzard should rotate 1 favorite OP spec per season
Make Monk OP once season why not?
drifting plaza
The amount of benefits the world would have if they put down their electronics for a day, then go out touch grass or read a book would be insane.
balmy condor
I think the coolest thing is knowing that if you shrunk the earth down to the size of a billiard ball, it would be the smoothest ball that has ever existed
aside from that dudes fucking brain obviously
jaunty sky
Make Monk OP once season why not?
It was last season wdym
drowsy lotus
aside from that dudes fucking brain obviously
Im stealing this
jaunty sky
How many ww were in rwf
jaunty sky
M+ is not a real game mode
drowsy lotus
maybe once this whole season
drowsy lotus
M+ is not a real game mode
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
earnest remnant
I think the coolest thing is knowing that if you shrunk the earth down to the si...
are you also a neil enjoyer?
i love his yapping youtube shorts alot
drowsy lotus
M+ enjoyers > raid cucks. (imagine committing 12 hours per week KEK)
jaunty sky
M+ enjoyers > raid cucks. (imagine committing 12 hours per week KEK)
They dont balance for it
earnest remnant
no problem assa community
jaunty sky
Apart from reigning in obvious overperformers
earnest remnant
gotta use my folder with 643 raccoon wordart meme pictures in it for something
drowsy lotus
They dont balance for it
I think this is blatantly false. You're telling me blizzard never tunes based on M+ peformance?
jaunty sky
Yes thats exactly what i said word for word
main bridge
unless Blizzard specifically says what they are tuning based on, i don't think it's ever blatant
lots of speculation from people who think they know what Blizzard do and why though
earnest remnant
M+ enjoyers > raid cucks. (imagine committing 12 hours per week KEK)
it becomes even funnier when you realize the die hard m+'ers spend like 10 hours a day in there
drowsy lotus
"they dont balance for it" my bad for implying that means they dont tune for it
jaunty sky
it becomes even funnier when you realize the die hard m+'ers spend like 10 hours...
For no item and no io improvement
jaunty sky
"they dont balance for it" my bad for implying that means they dont tune for it
Yeah they balance for raid and then they kinda go 'oh these ones do too much in m+ now maybe we nerf em'
Evident by how shit a lot of specs are for m+
Hard target capped to 5
Or 8
drowsy lotus
i think we just speak a different language then. how is that not balancing them?
jaunty sky
For example
Balance means theres an aim to have a mean performance and you bring things up to that as well
drowsy lotus
the same way theres a gap in aoe for M+ its even more real for Raiding so idk what the point of "they dont balance for it" even means
haughty flicker
m+ and raiding both exist solely as ways to get items for transmog
the true endgame
earnest remnant
fwiw they have done targeted m+ tuning to healers this ptr
haughty flicker
arguing over which minigame is less of a minigame lmao
drowsy lotus
arguing over which minigame is less of a minigame lmao
Im saying both mini games are mini games.
jaunty sky
the same way theres a gap in aoe for M+ its even more real for Raiding so idk wh...
In the end youre arguing with a guy on the internet that has a clown pfp idk if its a language problem
haughty flicker
Im saying both mini games are mini games.
i agree, as transmog is the only non minigame
the macrogame if you will
slim hamlet
Anyone got the aura ID for the new charged combo points since they changed it?
Seems like the old ones dont work to make it show
buoyant herald
LOL
drowsy lotus
Balance means theres an aim to have a mean performance and you bring things up t...
I think this is cope, where your implying raiding dps will be more balance than M+. I dont see any evidence for that.
buoyant herald
whispyr working overtime on that delete button
sees the words tier list and nukes it from orbit
slim hamlet
sees the words tier list and nukes it from orbit
Risky post then
buoyant herald
im a trusted poster
slim hamlet
tier l*st
Actually tho, anyone know what the new aura ID for making weakaura for charged combo points is now
actually impossible to find
slim hamlet
Tried downloading multiple weakaura packs too but aint no one got it
buoyant herald
i had it in my head that WA can track without aura, im sure it's a power option
buoyant herald
slim hamlet
oh wait maybe it was just because I did it on wrong combo points before I knew it was 1st and 2nd now
buoyant herald
thats what im thinking of but maybe not what you're after
slim hamlet
pretty sure its this, give me a min
jaunty sky
I think this is cope, where your implying raiding dps will be more balance than ...
I think you dont think
buoyant herald
pretty sure its this, give me a min
this is just going through simple premade auras
jaunty sky
If you believe a balancing team is going 'yeah were fine having quadratic scaling aoe and 5 target capped aoe in the same game on the same role and thats balanced'
drowsy lotus
☠️
drowsy lotus
If you believe a balancing team is going 'yeah were fine having quadratic scalin...
Why did they add 5 target caps? 8 target caps?
jaunty sky
Why did they add 5 target caps? 8 target caps?
Idk you tell me
drowsy lotus
theres no point, you've made up your mind that M+ is blizzards random game mode they never look at so well just leave it at that lmao.
jaunty sky
Why are target capped specs worse on their target cap than non target capped specs on the same amount of targets
Gotta have a reason right
drowsy lotus
Why are target capped specs worse on their target cap than non target capped spe...
I dont even know how to answer this other than its like blatently false lmao. If Boomy was target capped like outlaw they would never be picked in M+
slim hamlet
wat
buoyant herald
Gotta have a reason right
i think this assumption is wrong
i think its believable there's no reason and they just don't fine tune enough like that
should they? sure
jaunty sky
Yeah thats what ive been saying
buoyant herald
i don't think its that deep
drowsy lotus
Why are target capped specs worse on their target cap than non target capped spe...
This is just factually completely wrong though lmao but ok.
You live on jupiter i guess.
slim hamlet
Isnt it pretty obvious that a 5 target capped spec shouldnt lose to a non target capped spec, on 5 enemies specifically
drowsy lotus
but they dont?
drowsy lotus
Boomy out dpses Outlaw rogue at 5 targets?
slim hamlet
idk?
why are u so weird. We just said not by default
its not a law
it just happens
buoyant herald
Boomy out dpses Outlaw rogue at 5 targets?
is this true? like maybe during and for a bit after cds
drowsy lotus
Why are target capped specs worse on their target cap than non target capped spe...
Im questioning the validity of a blanket statement. That doesnt hold up to scrutiny and then you say "sometimes yes and sometimes no" then obviously the blanket statement is stupid
slim hamlet
Feels pretty obvious to me that that doesnt say "why are all target capped specs worse always"
jaunty sky
Im questioning the validity of a blanket statement. That doesnt hold up to scrut...
Is my statement false because you have found at least one instance of it not being true when there is still at least one instance of it being true
drowsy lotus
but they arent even worst in general and if i come up with 5 more examples you're just gna shift it again lmao so whats the point of even saying it?
runic hinge
Fury isnt the best spec on 5 targets and is honesly pretty ass
slim hamlet
but they arent even worst in general and if i come up with 5 more examples you'r...
Which specs are actually hard capped. Fury warrior, outlaw, is feral still? Windwalker
ermmm anymore?
drowsy lotus
MM Hunter is 6 target cap, should i start listing out all the classes they nuke?
jaunty sky
MM
slim hamlet
yea mm
drowsy lotus
Arcane
jaunty sky
MM Hunter is 6 target cap, should i start listing out all the classes they nuke?
Over how long? 15 seconds?
slim hamlet
So fury warrior is obvious one where the majority beats
rest I legit have no idea about with current tuning but its not uncommon for them to have been beat in low target count before
lethal mortar
what is the most droppable for iron wire
runic hinge
second shiv
lethal mortar
ty
drowsy lotus
do
I cant argue with a vague statement of authority "duh they do", and then we find plenty of counter examples and then its "idk but its not uncommon." I'm not the one that made the claim
slim hamlet
how far is master assassin in a sim?
slim hamlet
I cant argue with a vague statement of authority "duh they do", and then we find...
bro why are u a lawyer. We are saying it happens, which it does
You are arguing just to argue, we are literally in agreement
jaunty sky
I cant argue with a vague statement of authority "duh they do", and then we find...
Idk all u said is 'this one does tho' without any valid evidence, its very easy to turn that around on you
drowsy lotus
Why are target capped specs worse on their target cap than non target capped spe...
Bro you cant read we are not at all. IM NOT THE ONE WHO CLAIMED ANYTHING
slim hamlet
jaunty sky
slim hamlet
What's worse gang. Getting added by a random trying to sell you art, or getting added by a random trying to get you in their boosting server
jaunty sky
Having your dms open is the worst of them all
slim hamlet
I got added by 4 different people for boosting server while never having a char over lvl 71
haughty flicker
damn i only ever get added by totally real girls that want to talk to me
jaunty sky
Do they also live like only 5 miles away
slim hamlet
I never actually had that on discord
jaunty sky
Targeted ads 
slim hamlet
Only had one art bot that me and friend thought was a bot but turned out to not be which was awkward
"say poopoopeepee if real" and they were real 🥀
balmy condor
damn i only ever get added by totally real girls that want to talk to me
that was me sorry
balmy condor
the turkish guy never even tried to scam me
balmy condor
a little early
slim hamlet
banking it so I dont have to when patch is out
I will never forget Dratty's strat for patch releases
shower 20 times in one day to bank up showers so you don't have to on patch release
slim hamlet
Right?
slim hamlet
buoyant herald
oh shit we can't write s*ms either
subtle kiln
slim hamlet
subtle kiln
slim hamlet
I mostly just like to see, also for dungeons to make sure I spent both before shiving, I know it would be super rare places it wouldnt happen automatically tho
It just feels weird not seeing it too
I found the problem 
subtle kiln
buoyant herald
ripperoni
slim hamlet
I might have hallucinated it working before thne
subtle kiln
Cold Blood will do that to ya
balmy condor
I GET TO CLOSE MY TABS
slim hamlet
I GET TO CLOSE MY TABS
Was it trinket thingies?
balmy condor
guides
slim hamlet
poggies
slim hamlet
tight ginkgo
I GET TO CLOSE MY TABS
slim hamlet
About to need more memory just to open more tabs
hallow glade
Never heard of it
Don’t let whispyr see this
dreamy rover
shower 20 times in one day to bank up showers so you don't have to on patch rele...
stack clean buffs
smart
slim hamlet
Yur
I think they added new mechanic where you lose all stacks each day instead of just one a day tho :/
dreamy rover
hey assassination experts, is there any way to make this SHIT work more consistantly? I already use a /cast Shadowmeld /cast Stealth macro and it fails 70%-80% of the time
dreamy rover
GG
dreamy rover
opening a ticket rn, reverting the faction change i bought today
fuck this im going back to mag'har
balmy condor
slim hamlet
Used to be able to cope that their racial +15 energy or whatever was actually also useful but now its 100% envenom uptime anyways 🥀
dreamy rover
im cooked
slim hamlet
Still probably gonan be busted
hallow glade
You can use it defensively so you don’t need to spend vanish when something is being cast on you
hallow glade
Like a huge number of things can be melded
Priory in the next rotation has the light elementals which have a nasty channel which can be melded
gray raven
or just trolling the healer by getting the boss beam on them in workshop
hallow glade
Well if you meld that then you can’t cloak it on top of them
gray raven
lol fair
dreamy rover
You can stay nelf
gonna stay nelf, i play in stormrage and was rocking a orc
i was making 0 gold from my maxxed leatherworking and got poor
dreamy rover
You can use it defensively so you don’t need to spend vanish when something is b...
hmm
im kinda noob
hallow glade
Use something like Jundies plater profile
It tells you which player a cast is going on
dreamy rover
I use atrocity's UI, he has a plater based on jundies'
Im just not sure how to meld
Im just supposed to meld whenever a big cast/channel is on me
or are there specific important stuff that i gotta learn about
gray raven
Jundies is the best
hoary remnant
Im just not sure how to meld
Meld Weak Aura
it tells you when to meld in m+
same for vanish
dreamy rover
im looking for it also
slim hamlet
think it was jdotb's?
nvm ellesmere
all healers are the same
nvm his is not updated
dreamy rover
I cannot find.
gray raven
gray raven
that one is getting updated for S3 and i like it
obtuse robin
!wa
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hoary remnant
Like obvs it will show vanish for assa but shouldnt press it first and meld first.
dreamy rover
Like obvs it will show vanish for assa but shouldnt press it first and meld firs...
yup
😄
cosmic robin
Soo we playin Fatebound in Raid and Deathstalker in M+ with latest changes?
prisma cypress
"finalized"
prisma cypress
tuning probably won't be finalized for several weeks
haughty flicker
just hard force fatebound regardless of tuning
its time to break free of our deathstalker shackles
rise up brothers
you have nothing to lose but your chains
prisma cypress
and your cleave damage
keen spruce
they should have an opt-out hero talent where you just get flat damage that roughly compensates for the hero talent throughput
no coins, no dsm
static glacier
they should have an opt-out hero talent where you just get flat damage that roug...
that woulda been fatebound
but then the anti-aoe nodes happened
wtf is the name for it even
it's like reverse funnel
runic hinge
it's reverse funnel and also, DS just has 3 straight up aoe nodes, and then since FB has basically only ST nodes they still somehow tune it to be .8% better in pure ST
like what
can't even be worth dealing with the rng of not getting your capstone in all the previous patches
cause they keep it ass
prisma cypress
that'd be pretty sad if after all the changes it still ends up being only <1% better in ST
runic hinge
I mean this patch its more like do you need 1:30 profile or 2 mins
or is DS unplayable cause adds just despawn 1 hp or do they actually die
then its prob a fb angle
haughty flicker
that'd be pretty sad if after all the changes it still ends up being only <1% be...
its quite far ahead in st
and with the cb change it shouldnt be ass to play
definitely a few bosses you'll play it
prisma cypress
there are plater mods that do that
devout hazel
tell me
runic hinge
!wa
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LE's Rogue Collection
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keen spruce
devout hazel
Either one of the bottom two
ty
how do i edit to the plater
i want like the name plate of the one with deathmark be completely purple
the ones with rupture red and the ones with nothing on it like just black
can someone help me?
runic hinge
I’ve actually never edited a player myself I’ve only imported those profiles I already sent. Whispyrs will turn DSM purple and caustic green and then it to brown when it’s both
humble ginkgo
!fuu
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wild hound
Yoo friends, havent played since S1, how are we looking? Is Assa fun in raids and m+?
buoyant herald
📈
thick sigil
Yoo friends, havent played since S1, how are we looking? Is Assa fun in raids an...
Well nothing changed at all pretty much, so if you enjoyed in s1 you'll enjoy now 😂
wild hound
Sounds good then! :3
gaunt sigil
Ugh sudden demise is so good in lowkeys
I might just have to stay a casual just so I never have to play KB again
warm vortex
So you could say it’s
Lowkey good?
dense cedar
Slightly out of the loop with some PTR stuff. Does the dismount/mount part of the 2nd eco dome boss just take the Deathmark with it?
Seen people complaining so assume that's the reason but idk
balmy condor
Ye
dense cedar
very evil, ty blizz
Does it happen often enough that just holding double vanish won't cover it?
warm vortex
balmy condor
Depends on length I guess
warm vortex
Only 1 min was surprising
dense cedar
Okie ty for info
balmy condor
Only 1 min was surprising
I’m rude, not evil
red schooner
Give me 4 hours
Just put a !mr in the bot channel, let fate deside.
warm vortex
I’m rude, not evil
Debatable
balmy condor
Damn
warm vortex
Jkjk love you pookie
balmy condor
Angel on my shoulder telling me to be nice, devil on the other telling me to be mean, rat on my head teaching me how to cook
balmy condor
warm vortex
Sadly with how BMs looking next season they won’t be the pets pumping haha
No beast cleave build is being theorised for M+
balmy condor
Rather cause ill never be rathim
gaunt sigil
So you could say it’s
Lowkey good?
Keep making stupid jokes and I’ll have to marry you
Rats make me crazy
buoyant herald
So I don’t make this place worse with my prescience
Aug channel is that way
maiden sierra
Angel on my shoulder telling me to be nice, devil on the other telling me to be ...
Dejavu
warm vortex
Rats make me crazy
Crazy? I was crazy once…
whole mason
kb still not fixed, but if you apply poison a bit late, its buff however matches, weird
orchid cedar
One question about the Whispyr, platter, does it work for the other specs just fine?
i hate having a million different platters
also, what's the expected build to play next patch for M+? Bleed?
golden loom
I use it for everything
jaunty sky
One question about the Whispyr, platter, does it work for the other specs just f...
It obv doesnt have any more extra customizationnso you might have to do that for whatever youre playing, but if that doesnt matter theyre perfectly fine
orchid cedar
👌 ty guys
livid folio
@balmy condor any eta on when the guides will be released for 11.2?
buoyant herald
<@167090536602140682> any eta on when the guides will be released for 11.2?
He said earlier by the end of the weekend I think
livid folio
He said earlier by the end of the weekend I think
Nice, ty
buoyant herald
Before reset anyway
stark halo
That rouge guy on Max’s stream today says we suck in raid and sub kills us. Thoughts?
proper vortex
literally didnt say anything about sub killing sin haha
midnight mist
I think outlaw would maybe hold it's weight tho, Perma evasion type shit
What you gonna do
normal mist
Shadowstep kidney
proper vortex
It's just so unbalanced, outlaw always wins.
red schooner
Force downtime
marble hemlock
What you gonna do
do a 10v10 instead, win cause outlaw is targetcapped
midnight mist
Dude..
midnight mist
I always get bullied when I come in here ..
marble hemlock
i mean
i cant help it, sorry
i have exactly 2 cards to play
targetcap, or acro strikes
so when i get the chance to uno reverse
ill take it
midnight mist
acro
hearty reef
midnight mist
spice surge
targetcap, or acro strikes
Both of those are +4s against outlaws
burnt star
They said in interview they were gonna look at a different way to boost phys comp damage beside ww
-remove target cap on melee
-give back acro strike to rogue
Ez fix
humble verge
They said in interview they were gonna look at a different way to boost phys com...
will they make fury relevant?
sonic lodge
Guys may i ask someone a couple of things about the ptr? I wanted to test something out but can't find some things
pastel ermine
@midnight mist does bee boss ever bug for you? like enter bee and cant shoot or leave?
midnight mist
ye
pastel ermine
the bee is like disorientated
midnight mist
our healer also dc whenever he does bees
midnight mist
so dps do it
pastel ermine
rlly
midnight mist
the boss is a mess
pastel ermine
is it a healer thing?
royal lantern
the boss is a mess
no, its a bee
midnight mist
not funny
sand aurora
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broken lynx
Guys in the normal raidbuild when do i use vanish in my opener is there a specific debuff or Buff dependent time ?
broken lynx
Thanks mate i thought there was a ambush Interaction or something i play without MA
normal mist
Playing without ma is amazing imo because you can save vanish to reapply mark in case of a fuck up
frank trench
What would you flex into instead?
normal mist
Hehe
frank trench
lol the moment I ask anything I immediately check wowhead then go sh*t and realize it’s there
Like literally anything :p
This discord is funny because it doesn’t even need to exist for questions……the assassination guide is the most thoroughly explained guide in all of wowhead lol
main bridge
lots of people do not like to read
dense cedar
learning things is fun :)
normal mist
Almost every question can be answered by reading the wowhead
And the 1% that isn't there can be answered here
normal mist
This discord is funny because it doesn’t even need to exist for questions……the a...
We have whispyr to thank for that
normal mist
Oof
dense cedar
the real nuanced questions
tbh I haven't seen a question like that in a bit
All rogues have become smarter by default
frank trench
I will say the one thing I love about the wow head guide and I could be wrong……is it kinda doesn’t seem like anything outside of like 8 talents really matter lol. It’s like do you want more single target pick this do you want more aoe pick this but it all seems to wash out in the end lol. Not sure if that’s true but it at least makes you feel like you can kinda adjust to what makes you feel better without stress.
normal mist
During season 1 whispyr did some maths
There were like 400+ possible builds
By changing like 1/2 talents around
And they all simmed similar
frank trench
Hahahaha seriously……that’s insane.
normal mist
That's how little most of the talents matter
opal mango
i have a question regarding ambush and mutilate - do i have to put ambush on my action bars?
plush umbra
mutilate automatically changes to ambush, so it's not needed
orchid cedar
does anyone know why with Whispyr plater i see the debuff timer twice? One with the big white number and then a smaller one in yellow over it
orchid cedar
normal mist
I had a similar problem months ago
normal mist
Ahahahahahahaha
normal mist
Ahahahah
humble verge
i don't get it - is this some misogynist shit?
i dont think you have experienced real life if you cant understand this
main bridge
i think it's very likely i have experienced a lot more life than you
humble verge
probably
but then you should get the meme
or do you want me to send you knowitmeme website
main bridge
i can understand being frustrated about career issues, but it has nothing to do with women or their hormones
compact quartz
i dont think you have experienced real life if you cant understand this
Insane comment
wtf is going on in this chat
humble verge
no, you can ignore the text
the image is the meme itself
i just picked one at random
halcyon saddle
I thought i was bugging when I looked at the sin fb gear. Lol we legit only want 2 piece
golden loom
I thought i was bugging when I looked at the sin fb gear. Lol we legit only want...
no
sim in the sheet is using outdated APL
halcyon saddle
okay lol thank god
kindred oriole
!sheet
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finite cliff
I think its funny 
humble verge
I think its funny <:thumbsup:1006977195476000868>
:)
finite cliff
Dont take everything too serious man
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deft shard
!fuu
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past marten
sim in the sheet is using outdated APL
The up to date APL is still in the kitchen?
mild spoke
!wa
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tight ginkgo
The up to date APL is still in the kitchen?
i imagine at least 'til they re-fix the kb bug in simc
tight ginkgo
wait is singular focus also being amped by the 2p?
hallow glade
Yep
cloud basin
Do we have the ilevels for the season yet?
tight ginkgo
Do we have the ilevels for the season yet?
cloud basin
Okay so def worth doing m0s at the start for me then
midnight atlas
i don't get it - is this some misogynist shit?
split veldt
do we now if we're chasing the same two trinkets again
i still never saw one in my vault natty
normal mist
There's a bunch of tuning undone
spice surge
do we now if we're chasing the same two trinkets again
Nop, raid trinkets look to be the strongest
Definitely ritual forge, and probably antenna as the passive
rose inlet
wonder when ritual forge gets nuked
hoary remnant
wait is singular focus also being amped by the 2p?
thats the funnel
tight ginkgo
yuh seems pretty good to have it amped by 2p
hoary remnant
I think have to sim it 2p is already better then old 4p
but might be fake news have to sim it
marsh fjord
!fok
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Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
spice surge
wonder when ritual forge gets nuked
It already got nerfed, would surprise me if they nerfed it again
marsh fjord
im trying to look over a log to see how much wasted CP someone has
what's the crit thing called again
i cant log into wow atm
marsh fjord
thanks ❤️
red schooner
Wait I'm doubting myself now
marsh fjord
yeah thats what i needed
slim hamlet
gaunt sigil
Man maining Assassination and arms just looks like suffering this next patch
slim hamlet
Arms sure but why assa 
marsh fjord
What is this Assa slander
slim hamlet
Assa looks amazing besides the hero talents being meh but that aint new
marsh fjord
can only be 2 reasons he is saying this.
- he has been living under a rock and didnt see the assa changes
- hes trying to ragebait us
slim hamlet
I was about to say I feel like it might have been bait
tight ginkgo
playing arms warrior warps one's mind to the good in the world
slim hamlet
at least they got big sword
fringe spear
Yea but why only a big sword
Arms warrior (They are proficient in every weapon) (only uses 1)
runic hinge
They should really just use their arms
slim hamlet
Because the 2 big sword spec can only hit 5 people
tight ginkgo
They should really just use their arms
wrastlin spec
normal mist
gameplay wouldnt change much tho
gaunt sigil
But bleeds 
normal mist
i feel you
but gameplay wise you wouldn't really see any difference
maybe CT in ST again
which no one enjoys
slim hamlet
Idk how much it changed gameplay wise since 10.2 but I much prefered cleave/poison build then
fallow canopy
maybe CT in ST again
Aberrus flashbacks 
dense cedar
Bring back exsanguinate though
how dare you
red schooner
how dare you
YOU HEARD ME
slim hamlet
CT in ST when u were already taking it in m+ wasnt too bad, but if its ever even close to you talenting CT for ST raid then its joever
red schooner
gaunt sigil
Honestly it’s not that bad now because our CP economy feels better, I don’t think it hurts as much to press CT in ST
red schooner
bring back expose armour ofc
Rogue raid buff other than atrophic lets go
red schooner
BRING BACK SMOKE BOMB TO PVE
I'VE SAID THIS ALL ALONG
lean plover
so white darkness
fallow canopy
Rogue raid buff other than atrophic lets go
Wdym sub has 1hr tricks
red schooner
I MISS IT
normal mist
I MISS IT TOO