assassination

[winged sun]

@earnest remnant arent they?

oph

oh

lvl 80 tho

[spice surge]

They dont

[marble hemlock]

but ye, removing parry entirely = dh/sub/enhance get buffed a lot by that

[strange sleet]

every mob in a dungeon is elite. Well almost every mob

[winged sun]

hmm first boss priory isnt even lvl 83

[quaint flare]

rashanan can parry bc he's a copy of the raid boss no?

like shadow of xul could parry bc he was also a raid mob

[spice surge]

Yes he could but im fairly sure it got fixed near the end of s1

[quaint flare]

my point is that's how mobs are able to parry

[winged sun]

idk why i remember getting my flag parried often in M+ back then?

[golden loom]

yeah level 83 (skull or ??) is usually raid boss thingy so most dungeon stuff shouldn't be an issue

[spice surge]

Yeah

[quaint flare]

if they arent a copy of a raid mob they shouldnt parry

[winged sun]

i was just a noob tho idk

[jade abyss]

sounds a alright to sarcastic? bcs i dontg mean it in this way

[winged sun]

it was a long conversation

but ye st is really good if u play cleave build

but its harder to play

[solar wyvern]

on ptr? or we just talking live rn

[winged sun]

we did higher than outlaw st this season sometimes even

ptr its good too ye

[solar wyvern]

hmm its been feeling shit to me

[jade abyss]

i play it but compared with others my st sucks maybe i suck idk but i dont play 21 keys only 16/17

[winged sun]

in my tests in ptr it was fine (st)

and in live the st is very very good and is enough to time 22s

you can get crazy timers (r1 keys) with sin

same with outlaw

sin has crazy good boss dmg + prio dmg on top

so its good on its own aswell

[frosty nebula]

hey where can i find a build for Fatebound? i wanna practice a bit and check it out on live

[jade abyss]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[uneven marsh]

Practice in case it's better than Deathstalker ?
Even with buffs, I can't see that coming.
Maybe I gave up and have no more copium,idk

[gray raven]

Are there any pure ST fights where it might be the move?

[runic hinge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[lean plover]

just to clarify this is playing your build, not hybrid or bleed right?

[winged sun]

ya

[lean plover]

wanted to clarify so poor guy isnt banging his head against the wall doing low st on bleed

[hardy pawn]

no more KB tho right on ptr

if you play DS

[dire schooner]

There a link to this build to try out?

May have just missed it like a goober

[lean plover]

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMjZmhxM2mBAAAAAgZZwyMAAAAAA022MzgZGMzMLz2MzMmBDzMzYmNLjZA2MLDMglglhZADLA

[shy axle]

what makes the cleave build harder to play than f.e. hybrid? isn`t it the same playstyle minus the garrotte usage?

[dire schooner]

Thank you!

[lean plover]

well you cant fuck up your ambush for mark

opener on aoe with no garrote

its still assa rogue

[shy axle]

yeah

[brittle shuttle]

Truly not harder to play in my opinion, honestly more simple in that you legit never garrote except single target.

[shy axle]

but thats it i guess

[lean plover]

ye

[brittle shuttle]

Maybe pressing shiv before KB in death mark is too hard for monkey brain

[lean plover]

and envenom before dm

[brittle shuttle]

Do u not do that in hybrid build, I’ve only ran cleave

[lean plover]

ye u do

[silk sundial]

That's the raid cleave build. Not the m+ cleave build unless missed part of the conversation

[lean plover]

ah crap

my bad

[silk sundial]

You do not run that in m+

[wild thorn]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lean plover]

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMjZmZmxM2mBAAAAAgZZw2MAAAAAA02yYGMzYMzMLz2MzMYGzYwMzsZZMDwmZZgBsEsMMDYYB

i gave u the wrong one

my bad

[burnt star]

@winged sun im sry i started the bleed is bad prio... and then went to lunch XD

couldnt back u up

[subtle tundra]

some m+ bosses are copied from the raid, in sl it was sanguine depths last boss

[burnt star]

read it all

[icy ether]

Next tier is a sin tier right

I don’t need to sit down and learn pve sun and unlearn pvp sub right

[wild thorn]

probably depends on your wr

[royal lantern]

[wild thorn]

outside of like top 50 nobody probably cares

[royal lantern]

^

[wide atlas]

Hi! Does anyone has a weakaura that tracks envenom and if possible twist the knife please

[wild thorn]

unless youre giga trolling not playing the optimal

[subtle kiln]

Yes. They just gave assa the one niche sub had, 90 seconds.

[deep gyro]

doesnt sub have better burst isn’t that a niche it does better than sin, also target switching is better?

[shy axle]

don`t forget the other sub niche

doing nothing outside of dance

[wide atlas]

I'm looking for something like this but that weakaura is paid. comes with a sub to a streamer

[deep gyro]

[peak pagoda]

which streamer?

[coral ibex]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[coral ibex]

pick one from here

[wide atlas]

Ty

I found this one I'm gonna tweak it bit so it fits my screen better https://wago.io/lcM4ssa54

Had to search 'twist the knife' instead of envenom for it to appear

[solar wyvern]

oh....

ASsa dead ig guys

[subtle kiln]

My guess is once the apl gets sorted the burst between the two isn’t that far off. We shall see.

but I remember when you brought the rogue just for boss dmg so Fatebound really doesn’t bother me from that standpoint.

[peak pagoda]

which build were you using?

[hidden torrent]

Assa was doing this before ptr buff lol. People just didn’t play it. Someone says it’s bad and everyone jumps on that train

[solar wyvern]

^

[solar wyvern]

hasnt been buffed yet

[peak pagoda]

CB viable again after the tweaks?

[hidden torrent]

Exactly

[golden loom]

CB is a fatebound thing so that makes it a non-m+ thing

[peak pagoda]

So guess we use deathstalker bleed build for M+ and Fatebound for raid?

[golden loom]

Fatebound for 2 raid fights probably

DS for everything else

[peak pagoda]

not bad tbh expected worse
way worse

[subtle kiln]

Wait folks were actually worried about assa in keys?

[winged sun]

?

charrend

what the helly

can u figure out 1 wrong talent point in that build

( i fucked up worse its fine )

[normal mist]

rushed setup?

or whatever the name is

[thin furnace]

Ambush extra point maybe without blindside?

[winged sun]

yea

ambush

[normal mist]

ohh yeah

[winged sun]

but no rushed setup is fine

[solar wyvern]

OH

HAHA

[brave comet]

what key level is this

[solar wyvern]

imnot a tight spender ig

hehe

16 ara

[hidden crown]

I came back for endgame, killed Underpin, and got the belt, which effect is the best for the belt?

[normal mist]

crit or mastery

[hidden crown]

I meant this one

[normal mist]

i know

[brave comet]

crit chain probably

[subtle kiln]

[hidden crown]

my bad

so how do I unlock them

[balmy condor]

If you hover over them

It tells you

[hidden crown]

oh was I really need to read the whole thing

I guessed it was a MYSTERY or some shit

Spiral weave

https://tenor.com/view/pog-pogs-n0acls-demon-slayer-hunter-x-hunter-gif-12265415398675172855

[normal mist]

level1 delve is enough

[hidden crown]

I just have trauma from the puppet master

[normal mist]

same...

[hidden crown]

sucks doing delves as a rogue

[normal mist]

i disagree

[hidden crown]

well I like killing everything in the instance so I have a different point of view

[azure dirge]

I just stealth past everything unnecessary lol

[hidden crown]

leave non alive

[sterile swallow]

I kill everything as a rogue still and have a great time.

If there are no witness alive then you did it stealthy

[normal mist]

The Paladin stealth way

[hidden crown]

cant leave any suspects

what if they find the bodies

[normal mist]

Who?

😉

[hidden crown]

exactly

🔪

[normal mist]

Brann:

https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666

[hidden crown]

My Brann: FOUND A BIT OF GOL-

[harsh anchor]

I wish we had POE gladiator bleed pops/explosions

[sterile swallow]

Brann is a psycho so he is all for it.

[royal lantern]

sudden demise?

[hidden crown]

My Brann is a bit mentally challanged

[harsh anchor]

That does damage to enemies around when they pop 🙂

Not just an execute

[hidden crown]

I really liked the GE event

the valorstones were really helpful

I got a bunch of em

[frank trench]

lol I did underpin in like 60 pulls and felt super accomplished my friend in his marksman hunter did it in like 10 lol.

😦

[normal mist]

I don't see why the sad face

if you wanted to minmax it, you'd go blood dk

and do it in 1 pull

[hidden crown]

I aint gearing another characters

I barely have time for rep

[gray raven]

Do they just ignore the mechanics on BDK?

[eager condor]

tried on my rogue 12ish times, kept dying, swapped to arms war and 2 shot

where as last tier WW/brew prolly 60 times...one shot it on assasin

[normal mist]

Afaik yes

[gray raven]

hmmm i wonder what the lowest ilevel you could pull that off on BDK would be

[subtle kiln]

4pc and 650 ish

[forest nacelle]

if i wanted to play sin w/ sub stats (basically lots of mastery and vers) would that be better or worse?

or does sin still like all stats?

[subtle kiln]

all the stats. Plus you should already have some crit as sub. Make a new ring.

[forest nacelle]

yeah i got some crit, ty for the answer 😄

[subtle kiln]

You’re only really boned trying to play outlaw

[ocean quiver]

1 attempt on boomie with dps bran

[marsh fjord]

Guys we need more rogue buffs, can we sandbag a bit more

https://tenor.com/view/dinosolostan-gif-22443651

[strange tundra]

Thoughts?

[main bridge]

[brave stump]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[zenith elm]

I still dont understand how we are that much behind in M+

For PTR

[lean plover]

Well latest tuning isnt implemented in ptr

[marsh fjord]

PTR changes arent in yet @zenith elm

[subtle kiln]

What are you behind?

[zenith elm]

Oooooh !

[tropic rover]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[brave comet]

tanks taunt challenge impossible

whats wrong with these tanks forgetting to taunt when its their turn to do so on gally

[quiet oar]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[hidden torrent]

What’s this man talking about. Assa isn’t behind in m+ lol.

[stuck moat]

hey! is there a recommendations list of weakauras that can help for assassination rogue?

[main bridge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[stuck moat]

do any of these help best to remember to apply poisons / check debuffs?

[main bridge]

Not sure what you mean by debuffs but poisons yes

[stuck moat]

debuffs

or defensives sorry

[main bridge]

Like it tells you when to use a defensive? Not going to find that in a rogue WA

there are some dungeon WAs that help with that though

[stuck moat]

it’s not my spec so not sure what to ask for, was asking for someone i know but thanks!

[night crag]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[glacial flare]

Any idea when the Sim sheet will be updated?

[spice spire]

Defensives are weird because you have a DR and your other defensives are biggly.

Feint whenever you’re going to take damage and cloak If you’re panicking- they should all have timers on there for CDs at least

[stuck moat]

okay. since it isn’t my spec and i’m trying to help someone who is learning the game, may i ask how to know how long the poisons will last on the enemy? they have an idea of how long the poisons “last” based on when they cast the poison but they’re unsure how long they last on an enemy before needing to be reapplied. not sure if this is even correct, but some insight if anyone knows

[spice spire]

Shouldn’t really apply.
Poisons will just be applied as is, it’s not worth thinking about.
Want to make sure they stay on your weapons though (they last an hour there)

Technically you could do envenom and count that timer/pandemic but whispyr/lisonna already do that for you and if you’re just learning it’s not a big deal!

[stuck moat]

so essentially within that hour of it being active, it just applies to the enemy however it’s coded to do so?

[brave comet]

210+ pulls on gallywix and second tank just said on the phase where gally goes to the center

[stuck moat]

wasn’t sure if they needed to be keeping a timer on it like with shadow: pain and etc abilities

[brave comet]

"why did the beam spawn in the middle like that"

[spice spire]

Yes

[spice spire]

That’s the bleed section of our kit! And those are pandemic coded in most weak auras!

[rain coral]

hey is this 10x times higher dropchance over yet?

for mount collecting

[atomic creek]

Yes, it ended with this week's reset

[rain coral]

ohh oke

[waxen oyster]

Poisons are just passive with autoattacking, if you want a reminder to apply them every hour there are several on wago.

[atomic creek]

I feel like it's so useless to have the 1 hour timer at this point, just make it an aura or something already

[waxen oyster]

Technically sub and outlaw didnt have damage poisons then classic andies wanted them back for SL

so now you have very useful instant poison

[subtle kiln]

They likely can’t without redoing a lot of code work. They’re basically treated like weapon oils. Shaman have the same fun, but the can’t add oils/stones

[waxen oyster]

Applying poisons and things like backstab are just relics of boomers who play this class

and refuse to let go imo

[atomic creek]

They already changed it from being on the weapon to being a buff, surely they can just make the buff permanent

[subtle kiln]

surely.

[atomic creek]

Ok, I'll say it like this. It SHOULDN'T be difficult, but knowing Blizzard, you're right

[subtle kiln]

plenty of devs just sitting around doing nothing

[atomic creek]

At this point the 1 hour timer is just an annoyance rather than a mechanic

[subtle kiln]

an annoyance on a class with no playerbase.

[atomic creek]

Sadly enough

[subtle kiln]

Dev resources denied.

it be what it be

[waxen oyster]

What's that? More mage hotfixes?

You got it

[stuck moat]

i got yall. i realized i was maybe asking the wrong thing he wanted info about keeping track of garrote, shiv, dethmark, kings bane, the stuff like that. so i think the weakauras listed up above will help with that

i’ll look into them to see what they do

[atomic creek]

Better buff Ret paladin while you're at it

[waxen oyster]

Yeah i mean weakauras are largely subjective.

On what helps you visually process info better

[nocturne quail]

rogue buffs literally in rn

we just got pog changes

[atomic creek]

Fatebound still ass for AoE or cleave though

[waxen oyster]

I'm just going to misdirect

any dev evoker

or ret pally in a key

secret dps gain

once on swampface i intentionally cloaked then pulled the chain to kill the dragon

when boss was near dead

[flint parrot]

Are most of us sticking with Deathstalker or switching to Fatebound with those buffs? Or is it still wait on see

[brave comet]

from the very first guild i ever did prog with

i still keep it 6 months later

good times

[spice surge]

Well fatebound still falls flat on its face if theres ever more than one target so

[waxen oyster]

Most people will just play whatever whispyr says

or whatever people play on murlok

[brave comet]

i play whatever whispyr says

its true

[flint parrot]

Good to know

[atomic creek]

I love how Fatebound feels but it'll probably only be viable on a single fight in the raid

[brave comet]

has whispyr said which bosses to take FB hero on yet for S3?

[waxen oyster]

If people on archon one day decide to play shadowheart

its going to be played

[forest nacelle]

? thats crazy

[atomic creek]

Tetris boss

The only pure ST boss in the raid

What was his name? Fractillus?

[hearty seal]

gonna wait and see, and I'll probably just play DS anyway unless the DPS loss is like huge

[waxen oyster]

let's be honest people will play a much worse designed talent tree

if it sims even 1% highr

[buoyant herald]

You’d probably play a bit of both, some bosses have target swapping which will make DS very annoying

Dunno why people feel the need to hard commit to one or the other

[waxen oyster]

what if you could change hero trees with one click

oh wait-

[atomic creek]

I wish they'd just buff Fatebound cleave. They gave us a hero talent that only works on single target and then made a raid with 7 cleave / add bosses

[waxen oyster]

fatebound isnt interesting

[spice surge]

Can atleast start by not making itself worse during cleave

[waxen oyster]

like at all

[buoyant herald]

Honestly if they just removed the part that makes you do less prio damage when adds are out it would feel good enough

[hearty seal]

eh
I just hate Fatebound and don't want to touch it even if its good

[waxen oyster]

Neither rogue hero tree is exactly engaging

[spice surge]

Its not that it doesnt gain much from cleave, its that it gets actively worse at prio damage than if you just had one target

[thorn thorn]

Fatebound needs to be remade desperately

[waxen oyster]

Fatebound needs to be taken out back

old yeller style

[hearty seal]

DS is meh mechanically but FB triggers a vomit response from me by theme

[buoyant herald]

It’s also got barely any aoe support compared to ds

[flint parrot]

I am just not a fan of either one tbh

[atomic creek]

It'd be more interesting at least to play Fatebound in raid and Deathstalker in M+

[waxen oyster]

Shamans are the only class i've seen with actually designed

hero trees

maybe dk?

[hearty seal]

eh, war is 2/3

[atomic creek]

Deathstalker has been the only viable spec the entire expansion

[hearty seal]

colossus is kinda wack

[buoyant herald]

I hate tempest with a passion as ele

[waxen oyster]

i thought you were gonna say slayer

[hearty seal]

but thane and slayer are cool

[waxen oyster]

slayer is pretty passive

[buoyant herald]

I love the theme but that button is so annoying

[hearty seal]

slayer is just more spins for the spin-2-win class
I see it as more win

[waxen oyster]

Yes but im saying its largely passive

doesnt change much

you just spin a bit more

[hearty seal]

sure, it's nice to have that option of a passive tree (and the tree not being fucking FB)

[waxen oyster]

its kind of where i wish ds was

[violet berry]

Any guesses for what titles gonna be

[tight ginkgo]

i love colossus as prot warrior

[waxen oyster]

yeah colossus prot is funny

[tight ginkgo]

big fun to hit the boom

[waxen oyster]

big BONK

[hearty seal]

I don't vibe with it but I don't hate it either

[tight ginkgo]

i like em both for prot warrior tbf. I think it is just that I like prot warrior and will enjoy most shit they tack on

[waxen oyster]

I mean thane is largely the passive tree

its basically the base spec dialed up

[tight ginkgo]

yeah and yet something about getting the thunderblasts just feels good

[waxen oyster]

Thats what i call a good passive tree

not one that actively annoys you

[tight ginkgo]

it isn't like anything changes but when that blast lights up on fury or prot i pog out

[waxen oyster]

😂

[hearty seal]

MT thunderclaps are meaty

[waxen oyster]

ds you can bug your mark

and have it tilt you

[hearty seal]

yep

[waxen oyster]

fatebound you can just have your coin never proc

[hearty seal]

I am sure fucking tilted when the mark just disappears

[marsh fjord]

Honestly i never had any bugs with DS bugging out

[tight ginkgo]

yeah that's pretty annoying ive noticed with ds.

[icy ether]

mark disappears thats why i grey parse

[hearty seal]

I think the most common case was "I am trying to apply DSM from absolute max range of envenom"

[icy ether]

it's not me shiving after kingsbane

[marsh fjord]

atleast you have a reason XDD

[tight ginkgo]

My target dies and instead of getting the reset it disappears or i've had it go back to 3? am i misunderstanding or is that just part of the bugginess

[icy ether]

ITS NOT MY KINGSBANE ROTATION I SWEAR ITS JUST MARK DISAPPEARING

[hearty seal]

at which point Envenom goes through and DN just disappears

[spice spire]

Sometimes it just disappears

And some things are constant

Others are just

[waxen oyster]

i feel deathstalker is like the only hero tree

[spice spire]

“Oop it’s just deathstalker teehee”

[waxen oyster]

where a mistake can genuinely leave you out of a hero talent

for the rest of the fight

[spice spire]

Just vanish

Silly

[hearty seal]

haven't seen any others with that design ye

[spice spire]

[coral ibex]

any mob that doesn't actually die but exits combat via some RP thing will remove your DN buff

its 100% reliable

[tight ginkgo]

just like my evidence that ghosts and alien exist fr

[hearty seal]

then again
the initial plan was for Trickster to proc off Feint
thankfully someone got that it's fucking stupid in time to change it

[spice spire]

Me when I’m supposed to talk to a woman type bit

[coral ibex]

many dungeon bosses dont actually die, they just hit 0 hp and then go untargetable and disappear

[waxen oyster]

well feint for dps

isnt that bad for outlaw

[thorn thorn]

I love playing DS rogue

Its def not enraging when mark just decides to disappear without a trace

Its not at all like I have no hero talent without a debuff that can sometimes fail

That would be crazy

[flint parrot]

Yeah that never happens...

[thorn thorn]

Never ever

[turbid crest]

Heya when the new season start ?

[hearty seal]

Aug 12 (13 for EU)

[turbid crest]

Ty !

[stuck moat]

my last question: for keeping up with garrote, shiv, deathmark, kings bane, etc abilities would that be a WA thing or a plater thing?

[normal mist]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[marsh fjord]

Most people track those things through weakauras yes

[stuck moat]

thank you. just wasn’t sure which one to suggest them getting

[spice spire]

Weak auras good. Most run both but weak auras are fairly central and provide a bit of info

[keen spruce]

plater is good to track bleeds and stuff on multiple targets, basically all of the tracking on your main target is the WA stuff

[stuck moat]

i appreciate the feedback 🙏🏼 will there need to be a lot of customization to set it up or is that mostly for people who know how to customize and make them how they want it to be

like is it new user friendly basically

[coral ibex]

you install the addon, copy the profile string, and then paste it in the import box

[haughty flicker]

you can import one of these and it works out of the box

[spice spire]

Weak auras here are very new user friendly

[coral ibex]

its very straight forward

[haughty flicker]

just find one you like and go with it

[stuck moat]

awesome! thanks so much

[cedar elm]

ASSA OP

[cyan surge]

I've noticed a few other weird things about the darkest night procs. If a target is moving away during an envenom the proc isn't consumed. I'm not sure if the bonus damage and guaranteed crit still went off.

The darkest night procs can sometimes be used with an envenom that isn't at max cp.

[cedar elm]

time for me to become a bleed build barry

[haughty flicker]

yup ive noticed both of those things

[cedar elm]

[haughty flicker]

if it wasnt janky it wouldnt fit rogue class fantasy though

[cyan surge]

Lol

[brave stump]

Isnt it because of supercharger?

[naive crane]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cyan surge]

Speaking of janky, I've also noticed that bone spike not being refunded on low level mobs and blade flurry not working on low level mobs.

[brave stump]

When you send a 5 cp supercharged envenom you consume dn

[haughty flicker]

ye it might be

[brave stump]

Didnt play assa in a while

[haughty flicker]

ive never paid enough attention to it

but thats probably why

[marsh fjord]

a 4 one actually

[haughty flicker]

the one where the boss moves away as you cast envenom and it doesnt consume the proc is funny though

they have to be moving pretty fast though

only ever really seen it on gally and sprocket

[brave stump]

Deathstalker was before the supercharger rework so it Just waits if it Hits 7 cp

Or 6?

Idk man

[marsh fjord]

Supercharged is 3 combo points.

so you can finish from 4

[brave stump]

So 7

Ye

[cyan surge]

I don't think that's it. If I have a super charge I make sure the next finisher is max cp.

[brave stump]

Tyty

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-enojado-insano-waza-gif-27541362

[brave stump]

Never heard of that before

Would be interesting how it happens

[marsh fjord]

you can do that yes. it would just make it a 10 CP finisher.

[cyan surge]

It was sprocket

[cedar elm]

theres no way we are dodging some nerfs

[marsh fjord]

I think sub will be getting nerfed but i dont think sin wil

[tough gorge]

Casual is gonna get assa nerfed

[cedar elm]

bro r u serious

look at casual stream

doing 20 mil every pull gg

[marsh fjord]

20 mill is super normal

most spec's do that no? in aoe?

[cedar elm]

5 mil overall over all other dps yes very balanced

we are cooked

[marsh fjord]

demo did 70 mill opener yesterday

i dont think we are that cooked but who knows.

[cyan surge]

20m on a start of Cinderbrew or Floodgate type pull or a regular sized pull?

[marsh fjord]

i mean i think with our IL in PTR which is almost maxed out

doing 20 million is super fine

but yes it depends on the pull for sure

[oblique sky]

yo what stats do we do with bleed build on ptr?

mastery/crit?

[buoyant herald]

equip what the robot says to equip

mastery crit is a very safe bet tho

[thorn thorn]

Good thing we have negative ST damage in keys to make up for our aoe

[marsh fjord]

true

[buoyant herald]

ST seems to be looking a bit better than before at least

[dense flax]

is nelf or dwarf better for m+ as assassin?

[turbid lion]

you can reset your stealth with nelf so imo its a must for assa/outlaw

with enemies without stealthvision so some m+ pulls aint working or in bossfights etc

[dense flax]

are there any dungeons we would need an extra cleanse in next season?

[silver otter]

Those PTR changes are making me lose my mind, picking between sub and sin is a heartbreaker

and really foggy...

[subtle kiln]

it doesn’t matter

You play nearly the same gear

Swap some enchants if need be

[marsh fjord]

Are you talking about dwarf?

[dense flax]

yeah

[marsh fjord]

This will be a dwarf season yes. because you can now buy potions where you can invis of cost of your tempered potion

but this only really matters if you doing really really high keys

But melding is still nice for rogue if you want to restealth if needed

[haughty flicker]

this season is a belf season

like every other season

[marsh fjord]

nah

dwarf all the way

[dense flax]

new to rogue but did 17-19 keys last season on shaman

[marsh fjord]

yeah your team might decide to do the pot stragety

[dense flax]

how often do you need to restealth with meld?

[marsh fjord]

idk

You doint need to. but some situations you can do

If a pack is living super long and you playing bleed build. you can meld/stealth and have improve garrotes out again

something like that

[dense flax]

okay makes sense

[haughty flicker]

too bad nelf stealth animation is terrible and you slide along the floor

making the race unplayable

[dense flax]

and pots are only worth like 1-2% dps on rogue same as shaman?

[brave stump]

Pool vanish for upcoming Boss when it works

[marsh fjord]

That is super dependable on your type of pulls hard to say really

[dense flax]

ofc but on sims

[marsh fjord]

Don't ask me for maths

i suck at them

[red schooner]

Troll season just like every season

[marsh fjord]

in this channel sims are like the forbidden word

like voldamort

[red schooner]

What if I wanted to discuss a life management game published by EA

[marsh fjord]

Battlefield 6? go ahead bro

[red schooner]

Alao we love sims here as an answer to the 'what do I equip' question

[brave stump]

I usually dont sim and Just @ the purple name

[dense flax]

sims is a bad word in all class discords rn

[main bridge]

what i think is crazy is that sims have been around SO long and there are still people asking what stats we want

[chrome blaze]

any new sims numbers yet from yeserday rogue buffs

[marsh fjord]

But if you can skip like 5 packs with the potion is def worth it.

[red schooner]

Disregard thinking about gear, feed data to the robot

Life is easy

[brave comet]

is it overperforming?

[marsh fjord]

No but i think the change with shadowblades 20% will be very good.

this

This is very big for sub

[haughty flicker]

change is mainly neutral lmao

because they nerfed nimble itself by 5%

[marsh fjord]

Not according to people doing very high keys on sub

not very neutral

but people are unsure because they don't know if it's addictive

[haughty flicker]

or we could just read the pin in sub where eleem explains it all

[marsh fjord]

go back to your belf bel

[pastel roost]

Hey guys do atrophic poison still bug and stack when there is multiple rogues in raid ?

[subtle kiln]

It’s not.

[haughty flicker]

instead of randomly saying stuff

[marsh fjord]

Im not randomly saying stuff im just spreading the word

[subtle kiln]

The wrong words

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[marsh fjord]

Bel is a angry little guy

[red schooner]

At least add a when spreading misinformation

As is custom

[haughty flicker]

yeah must follow tradition

[marsh fjord]

Im not spreading any misonformation

[subtle kiln]

You are

[marsh fjord]

It's pretty big for sub! the change means a lot.

[subtle kiln]

it’s not

It’s a wash

[haughty flicker]

huge buff

[subtle kiln]

assa got an actual big buff

[marsh fjord]

I think you lack reading comprehension

[subtle kiln]

sub got sorta not completely forgotten.

[main bridge]

this is good because sin is the only spec i know how to play

[marsh fjord]

People thinking im saying it's a buff when all i said that it's big for sub

Go to your own channel losers

[runic hinge]

Yikes

[subtle kiln]

when you’re the only one laughing at your joke it clearly landed

[runic hinge]

Be nice to the sub rogues

[subtle kiln]

[runic hinge]

We need to team up against outlaw

Not fight with them

[ocean ore]

https://mythicstats.com/ptr any chance that this info be correct? sub is better than assassin in m+ s3?

[red schooner]

Yrue

[marsh fjord]

i can't be nice to people that do false accusations.

[haughty flicker]

til im a sub rogue now

[fresh kelp]

[marsh fjord]

It is not very neutral

[haughty flicker]

im starting to think the guy named numbers is not actually very good at numbers

[marsh fjord]

People gotta learn to read

[red schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-family-spray-squirt-annoyed-irritated-gif-4445288

[subtle kiln]

numbers using trump definitions of quantities

[marsh fjord]

Im starting to think you got dropped?

[haughty flicker]

its a yuge buff

many people are saying it

bigly change

[uncut barn]

Idk what spec is good but I wouldn't decide that by looking at the average dps of 57 random ptr logs

[subtle kiln]

YUGE

[ocean ore]

https://tenor.com/view/prempdr-fc-mobile-fifa-gif-16778760554072111618

[subtle kiln]

So YUGE and outlaw will pay for it

[red schooner]

It had to be done

[subtle kiln]

Make sub great again

[marsh fjord]

Make sub unplayable so that bel can't play it

[ocean ore]

im just speculating, because im ansious xd

[red schooner]

We're gonna build a wall around the outlaw channel. And the pirates are gonna pay for it

[runic hinge]

Please stop being weird and toxic

[haughty flicker]

i am a famed sub rogue

probably the most famous

[red schooner]

We'll be fine regardless, just relax

[marsh fjord]

Only thing you are famed at is getting dropped at 😄

[red schooner]

Play what you enjoy

[haughty flicker]

was it a big drop like the sub changes

[marsh fjord]

Yes it was actually huge nerf

[ocean ore]

im a bad player, need to play with the better dps to make me less trash

[runic hinge]

Famed boomkin

[marsh fjord]

how deep are you in him lil bro?

[haughty flicker]

many people are saying it

[buoyant herald]

being anxious about picking the "wrong" spec is crazy work man it's a video game

[marsh fjord]

now it makes sense

[red schooner]

You'll likely perform better on a spec you vibe with, but like, if you're gonna go by numbers then ptr numbers ain't a good metric

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-the-joke-christopher-reeve-superman-clark-kent-gif-16881797

[runic hinge]

See, this is the opposite of what I asked you to do.

[marsh fjord]

Yes and it will keep going that direction

[red schooner]

But what if it didn't

[marsh fjord]

Then it didn't

[serene mason]

Is it only for rogue like that? Every time i see warlocks they can play every spec with one gearset.

[buoyant herald]

what makes you think rogue can't?

[marsh fjord]

Demo has way different stats then the 2 other spec's

[buoyant herald]

there's no special rogue interaction that doesn't let you press n without minimum 25% crit

[marsh fjord]

Demo want haste

[fading apex]

will assa be strong in Raid s3`?

[marsh fjord]

come back on the 13th

and ask then

[maiden sierra]

im from the future

no

next question

spoiler alert:
next expansion sylvanas comes back and she pegs anduin

[marsh fjord]

100% happening

[maiden sierra]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1384149071106932799/1387523703100674100/togif-3.gif?=

[true pelican]

how close does something need to be to trigger fate intertwined/doom delivered?

[maiden sierra]

close enough

next question

[polar rampart]

outlaw op, buff assa

[polar rampart]

sounds like something the writers would be into

[serene mason]

The past seasons it was like every rogue spec wants to have two different stats in general. Also trinkets/weapons wich let people tend to be afraid because it's kind of fomo any dps. It makes sense that they are scared.

[buoyant herald]

the only thing that even close to this is if you craft a dagger first or outlaw weapon

[serene mason]

Like mastery/vers sub, crit/mastery and outlaw w/e

[buoyant herald]

stats absolutely, categorically, do not matter nearly as much as you're giving them credit

[golden loom]

Well weapon + outlaw haste req

But sub/sin are chilling

[serene mason]

The only swap which could fit without loosing much = assa to sub or sub to assa

Yes

[buoyant herald]

to a degree but like...in what situation are you investing in haste for outlaw which really fucks you for another spec

just recraft gear if it bothers you that much

[serene mason]

Just don't play outlaw... Problem solved.

[buoyant herald]

lol that too

[golden loom]

I mean assa is the sweet spot cause we really dont care

But like sub dislikes haste -> outlaw needs it = bit fried to swap between them

[buoyant herald]

sure, but that's under the assumption you can never recraft or get other gear

which is just never ever the case

[serene mason]

You can't first weeks in

That's the point

[buoyant herald]

sure you can

[serene mason]

[buoyant herald]

you can recraft whenever

[golden loom]

Early season it for sure is a thing yeah

[buoyant herald]

and farm m+

the only thing that's gated is sparks

[golden loom]

And vault rng

[buoyant herald]

i get what you're saying but like...it's such a minor factor

unless we're talking weapon

[serene mason]

But you will loose mythic craft dagger for heroic fist weapon (or w/e) thats big difference.

[buoyant herald]

and that sets you back 2 weeks in a worst case scenario

yeah i think we're on the same page regarding crafting/selecting weapon from vault

[serene mason]

But you should understand why they are afraid... You can't switch like others can.

For 2H casters you can just recraft and yolo

[haughty flicker]

just dont play outlaw

[buoyant herald]

you've kinda twisted this from being about stats to crafting weapons

[noble garden]

Two rogue, one outlaw one assa, problem solved

[buoyant herald]

and yeah agree mostly on the weapon front

[round vapor]

This is the way.

[buoyant herald]

disagree that other classes don't have similar issues

DK has exact same issue

[haughty flicker]

or any class with agi/int specs

[serene mason]

That's not true look at my first answer. I guess it was stats/weapons/trinkets.

[buoyant herald]

hybrids might be stuck between ranged/melee dps specs

[noble garden]

Theres not only one dps spec for DK ? UH ?

[golden loom]

Frost?

[noble garden]

What is that

[buoyant herald]

uh uses 2h, frost uses 1h

[serene mason]

Just don't play hybrid. I talked about the glorious 3 DPS spec classes.

[tall jay]

Frost can use 2h

[serene mason]

[tall jay]

It’s making a comeback lol

Maybe 🤔

[buoyant herald]

and sub can play with 20k haste

but you prefer not to lol

[golden loom]

Time to craft a bow and respec to surv after a week

[noble garden]

but Sub can't play with two slow weapons, and outlaw can't play with two daggers, the problem is here

[thorn thorn]

What on earth is happening here

[haughty flicker]

[buoyant herald]

idk man watching people twist themselves into knots about what to invest into before season is out is just bleh

[earnest remnant]

Its Never outlaw season anyway

[buoyant herald]

pick what you like, if something changes or it's unplayable then chalk it up for a loss

[tall jay]

I always invest in weapon first lol

[serene mason]

[earnest remnant]

Spec is dog ass

[buoyant herald]

take a week or 2 to fix your gear

carry on

[runic hinge]

Just make 14 rogues and craft a different piece in every slot

[noble garden]

Challenge accepted

[serene mason]

Wise man wise words

[cloud basin]

Just play fatebound

[buoyant herald]

this is probably the most important and consistent thing tbh

so always just craft dagger

if you want a simple answer lol

[serene mason]

You will be behind more than two weeks until a specific milestone in the season. Made by yourself (not bad vault bad loot)

[thorn thorn]

The correct answer is to sim every possible crafted slot and find which one gives you the most immediate gain

And then you realize you are wasting a ton of time on a game for small gains

[noble garden]

Play Sub so you don't have to choose between Assassination or Outlaw.

[thorn thorn]

Play Sub so you make the correct choice (rerolling)

[serene mason]

Play Assa and pump at long execute phases

[thorn thorn]

Play Demo and just do 15% more dam than everyone

[golden loom]

Casters suck! Yuck!

[haughty flicker]

[grand trail]

as long you dont craft int dagger its safe craft:)

[noble garden]

Don't play, and that way you'll have more time to spend outside. Since 2005, the world has changed, really

[haughty flicker]

too hot to go outside sorry

[serene mason]

Be you stacked with 2 other warlocks. You are the worst of them, blizzard nerf inc.

[thorn thorn]

Just be the RL and dont let anybody else play lock

[bronze pike]

Inb4 we’re in a triple outlaw meta like in bfa

[night crag]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[harsh anchor]

One can only wish

[gritty laurel]

there was that brief stint in season 1 where finishers were bugged with max combo points on outlaw, that counts right?

[harsh anchor]

I remember a very small amount of drama spawning from that even tho logs and keys were disqualified during that bug time

[gritty laurel]

what doesn't spawn drama anymore tbh

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smile-happy-happy-cat-smile-cat-gif-18259408098481512759

[harsh anchor]

I love the content. Makes my work days much easier when some juice is flying

[serene mason]

What a cute one

[grim hornet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tight ginkgo]

does anyone else watch whipyr videos with their laptop on their chest or just me?

[harsh anchor]

I make a circle with my legs and feet and put him in the middle

[thorn thorn]

What an oddly specific question

I watch the videos with my phone in the middle of a demon circle

I sit in a ring of salt while watching it

[balmy condor]

if you're not flickin the bean a little the immersion is ruined

I painstaking craft my ASMR for people to get a lil sensual with it

bubble batch at candle light

[haughty flicker]

video for the pookies isnt the same without a bubble bath for the pookies

[thorn thorn]

The ring of salt is necessary incase Whispyr summons a demon in my house (an auto tea malder)

[harsh anchor]

I have a box of Pinot Grigio dedicated for Whispyr videos

[dawn pollen]

when does the fatebound video comes out whispyr ?

[haughty flicker]

soon

keep edging until then

[marsh fjord]

after he done his wowhead work

looks like someone didnt watch his previous video

[thorn thorn]

What work to talk about what changes

[proven willow]

is the build casuals streaming rn gonna survive

[thorn thorn]

What build is he running

[spice surge]

Standard bleed

[tight ginkgo]

[proven willow]

yeah idk some bleed build

[thorn thorn]

Sounds like a pretty easy yes then

[dawn pollen]

don't call me out like that i did watch it :/

[proven willow]

its doing the most overall ive seen since ptr came out

[marsh fjord]

hahaha sorry 😄

[thorn thorn]

Yea but the tradeoff with bleed is you get giga ass boss damage

[harsh anchor]

What's the context of his group tho

[dawn pollen]

enjoying eachothers company

[proven willow]

last boss is at 50%

[harsh anchor]

not arcane, go next

[proven willow]

im assuming hes getting pi

[thorn thorn]

Bleed just do lots of aoe dam

[tight ginkgo]

frost good tho

[harsh anchor]

If anything, maybe CT catches a nerf later

[spice surge]

Btw the ptr was updated from 710>723 gear

So overalls should be a lot higher

[crystal bay]

One thing I do notice is that he is getting ad funnel on bosses, that might be hard with pug tanks

[proven willow]

just watched another group do a 20 same dungeon, frost mage frost dk and mm hunter and they did 11 mil 10 mil and 9 mil overall

so the gap is massive

[proven willow]

i thought thats just how people pull for new dungeon

[balmy condor]

CT already caught a huge nerf

[harsh anchor]

But an even bigger one

[thorn thorn]

Its not anything new

Bleed already did great in overall

[proven willow]

maybe every boss is aoe in new dungeon idk

[balmy condor]

nerfing CT even more would be crazy

[proven willow]

he did over 10 mil on each boss

[balmy condor]

well yeah, with adds on the boss

it's not really a boss anymore is it

it's just a pull

[thorn thorn]

Yea

[harsh anchor]

How much of that was prio

[thorn thorn]

Thats just the stuff you do when you have a funnel spec

[proven willow]

he was top boss dmg i heard them talking about it

i guess this build funnels hard

[balmy condor]

I mean it's just nothing said so far is anything new

this is literally just how the spec plays now

[thorn thorn]

Sin in general is a funnel spec

[harsh anchor]

Sounds like sin in keys now

[haughty flicker]

me when assa goes from having great aoe and funnel to having great aoe and funnel

[thorn thorn]

Exactly nothing has changed aside from aura buffs

[proven willow]

yeah i just mean its this good after the last patch

it hasnt been this good before it

[thorn thorn]

The build rn plays the exact same as it does now

[balmy condor]

spec is good when buffed

yes

[spice surge]

But a certain m+ somebody was in here earlier today saying bleed had dogshit funnel compared to everything else

[harsh anchor]

That was good juice

[cursive root]

Operator error?

[harsh anchor]

Enjoyed it a lot

[kind flint]

So Fatebound > DS now right guys

[thorn thorn]

Sin in general is a funnel spec, its gonna do more on bosses with lots of additional targets

[balmy condor]

I saw that while I was in bed this morning and just groaned and rolled over

[thorn thorn]

Its gonna suck ass in raw ST though

[balmy condor]

not doing that shit

[balmy condor]

on 2 bosses in raid yeah probably

[kind flint]

like 2 of the 7 or 8 bosses we go FB?

[balmy condor]

yes

likely

[kind flint]

ah okok

[crystal bay]

I hate DS with a passion in m+

[balmy condor]

well that part is not changing

[cursive root]

When do sims typically get updated?

[harsh anchor]

what if, bear with me now, what if they deleted ds so fb was our only option

[lime onyx]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/powerslap-slap-ko-knockout-slap-huge-slap-big-slap-gif-7471918422486227772

[dawn pollen]

talents are not going to change are they ?

[balmy condor]

what talents

[haughty flicker]

why didnt they just put a pillow down smh

[dawn pollen]

raid/m+

[crystal bay]

I wouldn't hate that lol

[balmy condor]

I mean fatebound changes a little

cause its not deathstalker

but otherwise no, nothing changes

[thorn thorn]

You say this until it happens

[dawn pollen]

sure ofcourse you use coldblood

[marsh fjord]

i think 90% of rogues doesnt know how to play fatebound

since we never bothered

[thorn thorn]

What is there to play

It plays itself

[worn badger]

#makeDSTriggerfromgarroteandnostealthrequirement

[haughty flicker]

[gritty laurel]

i played fatebound all of season 1 out of sheer stubbornness

there's nothing to learn aside from the opener

[harsh anchor]

I just push my buttons and ignore that I even have hero talents on

[marsh fjord]

Don't look at this blizzard please.

[crystal bay]

like every rogue hero talent lol

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-mcmahon-gif-10393001

[worn badger]

Roguegobrr

[balmy condor]

priest pressed pi and went afk or what

[marsh fjord]

died

instantly

[harsh anchor]

When do you think the floodgates for sin rogue is going to open after screenshots of that details panel is going to make its rounds

[balmy condor]

yeah checks out

I mean anyone with a brain sees the dead priest and goes "yeah makes sense"

[harsh anchor]

I know my old RL is foaming at the mouth to see a big M+ number and fail to play it in raid to reroll to the next biggest number

[balmy condor]

problem is finding people with brains

[thorn thorn]

M+ players are 70% braindead

They always flock to whats tuned the best in keys but more than half of them cant even play the spec at a basic level

[balmy condor]

lowballing your number

respectable

idk, it's such a weird sub-culture

just copy pasting a streamer

[thorn thorn]

Take arcane

[balmy condor]

cause they have a higher io

[thorn thorn]

Very easy to play in M+

[balmy condor]

is so weird

[thorn thorn]

But somehow people cant

[thorn thorn]

A disturbing number of people have never heard of the idea that a streamer could be wrong

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-impossible-marvel-shocked-gif-15104180

[worn badger]

Internet can be wrong?

[marsh fjord]

bro it's known that 90% in wow just copies anything from someone who is doing high end content without thinking

[thorn thorn]

It happens with pvp and raid but its way worse in M+ for some reason cuz so many people are legit just brainless and cant think for themselves

[tropic rover]

God there's nothing better than out of context ptr m+ screenshots

[balmy condor]

yeah m+ is on an entirely different level

[tropic rover]

[marsh fjord]

i mean it's not really out of context. he did a lot of prio damage

[harsh anchor]

It's contextual to what streamers/high-end palyers need for their groups. It's easier to copy your favorite streamer than to figure out why <insert this> or <insert that>

[crystal bay]

mostly due to FOTM rerolls no one reads the talents

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna drop a hot ass take

[worn badger]

M+ is worse cause people gatekeep everything including your talents.

[thorn thorn]

Its not even just why this or why that

[balmy condor]

I think wow is too alt friendly

[harsh anchor]

I already hate playing alts

[proven willow]

lol i saw him do the same in eco dome dungeon +19 its fun to watch

[harsh anchor]

I wish I could 4th wall break and funnel my main

[tropic rover]

It does not include the context that there's only 2 DPS in that pull lol

[worn badger]

I agree with that whispyr cause it keeps people from actually a class

[balmy condor]

the fact that people can just reroll into FOTM in like a week and play like ass is not only against the concept of an RPG but also harmful to pugging, the meta, and requires blizzard has way better balancing

[marsh fjord]

yeah thats true

[worn badger]

Er actually playing a class

[tight ginkgo]

i cannot play a class fotm or not if i dont vibe with it thematically

[balmy condor]

BFA was giga unfriendly to alts but had the highest variance in group composition

[harsh anchor]

I know a guy who rerolled 8 times this tier, boosted through farm to play the class for 2 weeks and start again

[thorn thorn]

The alt friendliness has hurt M+ pugging the most

[tight ginkgo]

i dont understand people who dont give a shite about the vibe / theming

[balmy condor]

yeah I think this simply should not be possible

[marsh fjord]

i have a friend that only plats fotm classes for the past 3/4 years and he rerolls every 2/3 months lol

[tropic rover]

Hot take all of the problems in wow come down to m+ mains

[thorn thorn]

Its like as the game becomes more alt friendly the masses lose their ability to think for themselves

[tropic rover]

[balmy condor]

I mean the more alt friendly the game becomes the less it's an RPG and the more its a MOBA

people are just rerolling whatever the strong tank/top laner is

[harsh anchor]

I think that is more a political issue where people in general can't think for themselves anymore

[crystal bay]

its more do the ease of information now a days

[royal lantern]

not really a hot take tbh

[kind flint]

Should be something like only one character a tier can have myth track gear, all the other ones are capped at Hero track

[thorn thorn]

All of you are right yes

[marsh fjord]

[thorn thorn]

I do prefer alt friendliness since im an altoholic but genuinely

its not hard to play decently

No meme

[visual sun]

World of dota this fall

[thorn thorn]

Take like an hour to read a guide and practice on the dummies

Its not hard

[proven willow]

how to kill a mmo 101

[balmy condor]

honestly ++

[strange sleet]

yeah ppl just want to play. wow is too complex and requires too much time. So ppl just go to wowhead and copy everything, which makes sense if you just want to play a couple hours a day

[marsh fjord]

you are not a developer right?

[kind flint]

no?

[marsh fjord]

thank god

[proven willow]

[balmy condor]

nah I like it

he's goated

[kind flint]

games already dead

[royal lantern]

yeha

it should be capped at normal

[thorn thorn]

I think thats starting to become their target audience

[marsh fjord]

Trueee

[balmy condor]

if wombat has no fans, I am his fan

[proven willow]

playercount disagrees

[kind flint]

thank god someone agrees lol

[harsh anchor]

I don't think a soul reads a guide, it's stare at rotation image for 12 seconds, play the game

[strange sleet]

it's been for a while bro.

[thorn thorn]

Real

[marsh fjord]

In all fairness if you hold out gear on alts. why would you still have alts. i understand fotm is a big issue but that's not the solution. what do you even do to the people that want to reroll to a class for fun which is not even fotm after being geared

[kind flint]

What a fallacy

[thorn thorn]

Idk I dont like to be mean to new or under performing players but ngl

[balmy condor]

alt gamers shouldn't need more than hero track to do all content anyway

[thorn thorn]

This season

I was really close to breaking that rule

[balmy condor]

dedicate one main amen

[thorn thorn]

Cuz holy fuck

[kind flint]

downgrade ur myth track char to hero track and get myth track on the alt

[thorn thorn]

Its a good cook

[proven willow]

countless cooked takes i see

[thorn thorn]

And the people who dont like this idea are getting their myth gear from vaults

[harsh anchor]

Players are given the option to "bless" a character as their main and they only get myth track loot. You want to change? 1 wow token to bless another toon

[tight ginkgo]

i like the idea of locking in a bit and exploring the limits of your class/spec but it could be such a high cost if you decide "i dont like playing this class"

[marsh fjord]

XD

[thorn thorn]

But generally you wont need Myth gear unless you are doing mythic raid or title keys, which the overwhelming majority of the playerbase wont be doing

[balmy condor]

I mean there's ways around that, you can play every class to hero

[royal lantern]

like, you cant tell me its healthy for the gamd that all gear tracks outside of mythic are dead after 1 week because you can deplete trought +7 keys until you outgear heroic raids and m+ drops lol

[crystal bay]

or if suddenly blizz nerfs it to the ground lol

[marsh fjord]

i like the idea but i don't like locking other characters out if you want to swap for not fotm reasons

[balmy condor]

if you go hero track and then go "wow I don't like this"

that's kinda on you

cause the only reason you would find that out so late

is your name is silverfang and you're chasing fotm

[visual sun]

Fotm hero raising their pitchforks bow

[tight ginkgo]

is not having a prefrontal cortex

oh that too

xd

[proven willow]

10 keys drop myth track they made them easier for a reason. its not working how you think it would

[kind flint]

Its not like ur just getting hella myth track gear without grinding for it

[kind flint]

1 piece per week

[thorn thorn]

I am aware of how gearing works

[proven willow]

ok now play for 2 months

how many do you have?

[kind flint]

if ur mythic raiding on a class u dont like ur a goof

[marsh fjord]

Make it so: if you rerolled to fotm you can't enter m+ or raids for 2 months

[kind flint]

play a class u dont like for 2 months

xd

[marsh fjord]

[proven willow]

what if youre casually playing an alt you like and doing a 10 key a week

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/troy-community-room-fire-pizza-gif-5612111

[proven willow]

are you braindead who plays what they dont like

[kind flint]

exactly

[marsh fjord]

Hi bel

[kind flint]

so if u dont like ur class

[thorn thorn]

Hot take, I think myth track from keys should require all 3 vault unlocks for keys

[balmy condor]

yeah so fun fact, you can just do that

[kind flint]

but ur still M raiding and playing +10s every week for 2 months

u are lost

[crystal bay]

to be fair I just play 3 characters and I hope each season one of them is good

[tight ginkgo]

ive been doing it for TWO YEARS

[proven willow]

you can play 3 classes you like and get myth track on all of them casually

[haughty flicker]

like you have to fill all 3 slots to even be eligible for myth track?

[proven willow]

idk what low iq argument this is

[haughty flicker]

ngl that sounds cursed

[kind flint]

Its not like sitting on hero track loot is killing ur character lol

[marsh fjord]

you can change to mage and have 3 spec's to choose from

[visual sun]

Fotm enjoyers who else. They dont care if they dont like the class as long as it pumps. But they dont perform well but streamer validate their feelings

[balmy condor]

bro posting random PTR details screenshots talkin bout low iq

[proven willow]

why add a useless penalty for no reason

[marsh fjord]

found the fotm reroller

[thorn thorn]

We all did yea

[marsh fjord]

@proven willow

[kind flint]

LMAOOOO

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255527413081833556/1397379865665343548/7-23-2025_02-58-37.gif

[dawn pollen]

is there a date for wowhead guide or we don't know ?

[proven willow]

i play the same class since tbc ive never rerolled

i just like being in all the class discords

wow enjoyer things

[kind flint]

yeah so play them to H track

xd

casually play on ur alts to do +10s and stuff

[proven willow]

nah 10 keys are too free

[balmy condor]

they're due tomorrow night, copyedits over the weekend, live early next week

[kind flint]

and then M raid on ur main

[dawn pollen]

nice ! thank you

[kind flint]

Goat

[strange sleet]

so you liked all iterations of that class over the years? That's crazy you never disliked it

[tight ginkgo]

gl, gonna be busy!

[visual sun]

Can you put a hiya in one of those oages

Pages

[marsh fjord]

how much did they took whisp