assassination

[golden loom]

whats the alternative

just sending it?

[balmy condor]

well before todays hotfixes

the alternative is to simply not equip the 4 piece

and play 2min

[golden loom]

hell yeah

I would not like a world where we play it as a 90 sec spec where we get imp gar/MA in the opener but then also just do that every 2 min outside of cds

[balmy condor]

but yeh, if you play 90s with 4pc, you would vanish 3min with imp gar

no MA

so it's uh

1/2vv

imp gar

and then regular

[golden loom]

or we bring back shrouded

[balmy condor]

shrouded is doomed I'm afraid

it would have to beat bone spike

[golden loom]

ah wait fk

I thought u could get both

[balmy condor]

oh you totally can

but that would require you drop dashing scoundrel

[subtle tundra]

i beat my bone spike

[balmy condor]

we are getting worse

[golden loom]

actually this is the play

[subtle tundra]

just fucking delete fatebound????????

i think the spec would be better

make us 1 hero talent

[balmy condor]

fatebound is fine if they fix the aoe problem

[golden loom]

thats what CT is for

[subtle tundra]

false

fatebound is passive hero talent

[balmy condor]

yes

the thing people keep asking for

[subtle tundra]

I HATE THE PEOPLE

THEY HAVE 20 BRAIN CELLS COMBINED

[golden loom]

what the helly!

[subtle tundra]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I HAVE TO PLAY THE SIMPLEST SPEC IN THE GAME(DEBATABLY) I NEED IT TO BE EASIER I CANT HANDLE THIS

🤪

[runic hinge]

There are much simpler specs than assa lol

[subtle tundra]

shut up

its my narrative

[runic hinge]

Tbh tho the ST is very easy

Actually it’s all easy

If I can play it it’s gotta be easy

[raw marlin]

We keep getting buffed to our damage but wasn’t our damage already one of the highest In m+ lol

[subtle tundra]

the people who say theres any difficulty to assa would probably gain dps from1 button rotation

[balmy condor]

we were doing tank damage

[raw marlin]

Overall?

[balmy condor]

yes

[raw marlin]

Sin? I saw outlaw suck but sin looked fine from what I saw for aoe

ST was ass obv

I’ll take it 🤷🏻‍♂️ can we play fate bound yet?

[balmy condor]

yes

[raw marlin]

Yes?

[subtle tundra]

in pure st yes

[balmy condor]

not in m+ obviously

[raw marlin]

Ohhh

Cleave too?

[balmy condor]

if it's aoe, it's not fatebound

[raw marlin]

Haven’t even checked raid bosses if we have any pure ST

Fate bound keep getting buffs broski

[balmy condor]

probably played on 2 bosses

[golden loom]

like its actually kinda sad that there is a version of this somewhere that would make 2/3 target cleave good

[balmy condor]

fixing that wouldn't make it good

[sharp lily]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[raw marlin]

I’m more laughing at dks crying

[subtle tundra]

dks are gonna be stacked with current tuning

[lusty narwhal]

They shouldnt be, still cracked

[subtle tundra]

like 3 dks

[hallow glade]

Frost is still really good

[raw marlin]

They still cry. You could write damage nerf -0% all they see if -

[subtle tundra]

actually make it 10

10 dks

[lusty narwhal]

Pretty insane raid for ranged though, youll prob see 2 max

[subtle tundra]

@balmy condor theres a real chance i do my weeklies and prog last boss(if rogue is good)

[raw marlin]

Never take dks in raid as they don’t have a raid buff. Kek

[balmy condor]

you could just say you're not playing

[subtle tundra]

well im gonna do weeklies cause thats like the only part of the game i genuinely enjoy

weeklies early patch

[golden loom]

fuck I missed the instead!

[balmy condor]

yes, making it always hit main target is the logical fix, but it won't make it good

[raw marlin]

Shindig said MASSIVE BUFFS ROGUE!!!! So I think we are meta now.

[grim jay]

Yeah the 0.6% will really fuck you over real bad

[golden loom]

wanna duo some delves? 😊

[subtle tundra]

i will duo with the shotgun

gg it won

[golden loom]

gg

[raw marlin]

Does it have fingers to type?

Shotgun fingers

[subtle tundra]

it has shells

soon to be empty

[raw marlin]

Save the turtles

[quiet oar]

You said you quit for good

[unreal parcel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[subtle tundra]

i dont consider logging in for some dungeons as playing

[raw marlin]

Wow is a drug. He doesn’t enjoy the game but just a little hit here and there to make sure you don’t get withdrawal 😂

[golden loom]

you need a name change

[quiet oar]

Yeah yeah, and drinking 1-2 Beer a day is also not an addiction right !?!??!?!?!

[golden loom]

Gamer Varas -> Casual Varas

[subtle tundra]

i drink ocasionally and i consider having quit drinking

i would drink on every occasion

[runic hinge]

No

[golden loom]

I only drink cause I like the taste and the feeling and it makes the shakes stop

[subtle tundra]

i could use a drink

but im at work

and i have to drive

[quiet oar]

That sounds like a lot of excuses

[subtle tundra]

its ok im going on vacation next week

and im not a main driver

🦅

[golden loom]

My vacation ended yesterday..

[jade abyss]

Depends from where the beer is from

[quiet oar]

Im from Germany

[jade abyss]

Ah good one i heard american beer taste like pisswater x)

But 1-2 beer per day is critical D:

I hope no oettinger

[runic hinge]

American beer tastes fine

There’s lots of different ones

[jade abyss]

I will not judge its what i heard from people they life there

[wide gorge]

is the fb fix live yet? my CB isnt desync anymore but KB still losed it stats LOL

[balmy condor]

then I guess they aren't live, eh?

[wide gorge]

half of it is live i guess

[shy axle]

nice fb changes. Are there any pure st fights in the upcoming raid? Further, even tho fb selfnerfs itself with more targets, is the buff maybe strong enough to play it in cleave fights with splatter?

[balmy condor]

2 st fights

and no

fatebound loses nearly 8% dps when you add a single mob with 60% uptime

like 1 intermittent add = -8%

forget ever playing fatebound on a fight with adds

erase the notion from your brain matter

[shy axle]

ok thank you

[obsidian marlin]

we're able to macro cold blood to kingsbane now huh?

[peak lake]

can say 3 st fights, depend of tuning but first boss have 2 adds for 10 sec

[balmy condor]

just like now yeah

can just reuse the macro you have

[balmy condor]

what's the third

[peak lake]

loomithar and fractillus

[balmy condor]

loomithar has adds

important ones at that

[peak lake]

we wont ever swap on it i guess

[balmy condor]

probably not

but they come into the boss

which means they're in range

which means fatebound gets nuked

so

L + ratio

[wide gorge]

what about 1st boss

[peak lake]

err

[balmy condor]

first boss is fine

[wide gorge]

with 2 adds spawning for 10s

alright

[balmy condor]

first boss the adds are only during intermission

that's fine for fatebound

they're spread and not on the boss

[obsidian marlin]

how far ahead is fb from ds atm anyways?

[winged quail]

1st boss will probably come down to whether 2 min or 1.5 is better for timers

[peak lake]

idk for loom, like there is one circle every 30 sec something like that, and 0 p2

[winged quail]

But also it’s first boss play aug if u want

[peak lake]

but i understand what u mean

are u still loosing dmg if the add on loom isnt debuff ?

[balmy condor]

of course

they just need to be nearby

[peak lake]

like the tank debuff the 2 u have to kill, then what, u get fucked ?

thats cursed

[balmy condor]

the 2 you have to kill isn't the issue

it's the ones you don't kill

they're still active

[peak lake]

i dont remember if theyre imune

or 99% reduc

[balmy condor]

literally doesn't matter

they exist

that's enough

[peak lake]

fk this game

wanna play fatebound whole tier, looks fun

[subtle tundra]

so you understand why the complains exist?

blizz opened assa's butthole, stuck it in there, and dont wanna leave

😤

[grim jay]

ha

[grim jay]

Sounds more fun than rogue hero trees

[flat pier]

Just wait for blizz to give us the support spec

[distant lodge]

What’s the TLDR on Fatebound self nerfing in AOE? Is it the fate intertwined fuckery?

[obtuse ruin]

are the % buffs mentioned in pins mainly for raid talent set ups?

[balmy condor]

delivered doom + fate intertwined + half of deathstalker is aoe talents and fatebound is not

[balmy condor]

yes but the deathstalker numbers are similiar in m+ because it's generic as shit and you'd be a full blown idiot to play fatebound in m+ so that's irrelevant

[obtuse ruin]

gotcha as a m+ andy never look at fatebound then

[balmy condor]

can't wait for some degenerate m+ pusher to play footbood in like a +27 because they're overdosing on boss damage copium

and then no one trusting sims again

I can see the future

[subtle tundra]

i doubt

[normal mist]

Just noticed the pins but I still wonder if Fatebound will be played in a 2+ target scenario

Or if it keeps being stuck in the 1 target situation

[balmy condor]

I'm going to spit in your mouth without consent royal

and your wife will watch

[normal mist]

Yummy

[balmy condor]

I JUST went over this

[normal mist]

You'd expect me to read the WHOLE CHAT before I joined? :3

[balmy condor]

no but I'd expect you to have known that fatebound is omega killer dogshit the moment ANYTHING is nearby

[normal mist]

I entered and read the pins xD

[subtle tundra]

i have such a big erection rn

thanks

[lean plover]

If they didnt fix fatebound, just aura buff it, what would it take for it to be good in m+?

[balmy condor]

idk like 15%?

[golden loom]

and if its good in M+ somehow it will probably be the best ST spec in the game?

[balmy condor]

15% would do that yes

[golden loom]

reasonable small buff

[lean plover]

Well then just pray

top st spec and no mark in m+ sounds like a winwin

[balmy condor]

or like they could buff tails by an additional like ~80%

that would work too

[lean plover]

Good prio on tails too

[balmy condor]

yeah except it would still be worse prio than deathstalker

but yeah

[lean plover]

But no mark would make me happy

[hallow glade]

Which on use does fatebound prefer for 1:30?

[balmy condor]

with the current shitty ass trinket tuning, lily is the only reasonable option

[spice surge]

Should be prism

[balmy condor]

but trinket tuning is so shitty that you wouldn't play it as 1:30

[balmy condor]

not having it on pull is yikes

I can't get it to sim higher but idk

maybe I gotta hold for more things

[spice surge]

Longer fight probably does it

Or well, guess fractilus is around 5-6 anyway and thats the fatebound boss

[balmy condor]

ye

[spice surge]

Or if you aint using bl on pull, but you probably are on most fights

And you definitely do on fractilus so

[balmy condor]

prism, the trinket that might possibly be better sometimes if 7 other conditions are filled

wonderful

[spice surge]

Surely they buff prism

Prism buff = sub buff

[hallow glade]

I guess you probably won’t hold lust on the bosses you could play fatebound

[balmy condor]

definitely not

[warm vortex]

Ok read the pins

coin flip gaming or not

[lean plover]

St yes

More than 1 target no

[rigid tartan]

This was not the last tuning I think, will get another round latest on raid release after m0 week

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah

there's like 5ish more tuning passes

[warm vortex]

Bring acro back

then we gaming

[gaunt sigil]

Real

[balmy condor]

every day is an endless reminder of pain

[gaunt sigil]

Also real

I just play assa cause dots go brrr

Blizz please stop giving us envenom damage

Incoming tuning

Buffed garrote by 2%
Buffed rupture by 278%
Buffed Kingsbane by .02%
Nerfed Envenom by 20%

Chat gpt tuning

[balmy condor]

given that they buffed the cloak by 132% and then buffed it another 30%

those numbers don't even sound unreasonable

[gaunt sigil]

Lmao it’s sad isn’t it

Deathmark now triples your bleeds

I should be the rogue dev

[balmy condor]

the legendary singular rogue dev

[gaunt sigil]

[royal lantern]

*singular rogue dev that is apperantly also the singular DH dev and hates the classes

gotta get your internet brainrot right whisp

[balmy condor]

yeah blizzard pays him a monthly salary to work on the two classes specifically that get the least changes

and nothing else

[warm vortex]

That's if he hasn't been violated and laid off in that order

[balmy condor]

yeah yeah I heard rumors from dh discord that he got promoted and also fired

[warm vortex]

Oh

I was making a joke
Guess blizz is predictable

[gaunt sigil]

If I was rogue dev they’d get a ranged spec that just throws flasks and potions

[warm vortex]

Actually goes kinda hard

[compact plover]

does smoke bomb count

[balmy condor]

well you're making a joke but the internet rats already came up with a billion conspiracies

[gaunt sigil]

Who needs outlaw anyways

[balmy condor]

so your jokes have already been made

[warm vortex]

If they ever mixed two specs together, assa / surv fusion

Chemical warfare

[royal lantern]

can we use rat pets then

[gaunt sigil]

It’s just purely based off of things against the Geneva convention

[warm vortex]

I mean, what animal did humans (mistakenly) blame the plague on

rats

so you can have lil helpers that have idk, venom infused fangs that bite shit

lil gasmasks too

[gaunt sigil]

I mean I’m pretty sure Japan has released plagues on china using animals in the past

[warm vortex]

I mean

[gaunt sigil]

They also ended up killing a ton of their own people in the process too

[warm vortex]

Japan has done stuff much much worse

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-eat-animal-lettuce-upclose-gif-27030548

[warm vortex]

so i wouldn't put it past them

[warm vortex]

Assassin rats prepairing for the pull (this one is gonna be the kill trust)

[royal lantern]

oh

so skaven

i gues seli approves?

[warm vortex]

Looked those up, and i guess

God now i want spec fusions, but bliz can't balance this many specs, let alone a fuckton more

I'd reroll to assa / surv in a heartbeat

[spice surge]

One rogue dev, one singular focus

[primal jolt]

we are so back

[deft shard]

So do we play fatebound for the raid ?

[earnest remnant]

yesnt

[indigo mulch]

I mean ;s

[jade abyss]

Look how cute they are !

[indigo mulch]

Fatebound still self nerfs itself on multiple targets so i dunno :x

[jade abyss]

Skaven are goats

Not the animal x)

[proper vortex]

Yo, does anyone know if Cyrces circlet is worth farming now taking a rogue into s3?

[indigo mulch]

Def not. Its prob way to low ilvl to be wearing ;s

[sleek ember]

658 hell no

[proper vortex]

Yeah i thought so, just checking 🙂

I havent touched rogue for a few tiers and saw its still bis in s2

Thanks!

[indigo mulch]

Pretty sure gally ring was bis but what do i know D:

[proper vortex]

wowhead says Jastor diamond and Cyrces circlet for s2

[indigo mulch]

Ah

Aww, they still havent' put in the changes yet on ptr :C

[proper vortex]

yeah 🙁

[shy axle]

its no longer bis with the current gearlevels, but it can be possibly

if you got 2 max ilvl rings they will most likely sim better

[royal lantern]

it got replaced by generic mythic rings

[shy axle]

even 2x crafted possibly

[proper vortex]

ok tyty

i gotta farm some sparks to craft anyway

is LFR still a good way to get sparks?

[shy axle]

heroic jastors + 1x myth ring outsimmed cyrces for me afaik

i think everything give sit to you now, weeklys, delves, lfr, dungeons

just do content and you will get them

[proper vortex]

ok ty

[zenith elm]

WE ARE DOOMED

Just kidding, obviously

But i saw my GM posts this in private to me, saying i should choose wisely lol

[brave comet]

what is that, that doesnt seem right

[rugged fable]

that seems drunk

[zenith elm]

Its M+ logs

With ONE assa logs

[brave comet]

i mean i'm not sure but whispyr was saying we were doing tank damage

[rugged fable]

Atleast you tried 1 run

wheres outlaw

[alpine pagoda]

XD 1

[rugged fable]

[earnest remnant]

tell him you pick outlaw

since its not even on there

[jade abyss]

Outwhat?

[rugged fable]

outflaws

[alpine pagoda]

outwaw

[orchid pewter]

Pick ass and tell him to suck it

[deft shard]

Even in s2 i did more damage in dj that's just wrong

[royal lantern]

what

[zenith elm]

I'll tell him i'll pick his mom

[royal lantern]

what psychopaths are your gms

like srsly

[orchid pewter]

Assa sims notoriously sandbagging
Gg

[royal lantern]

dumb enough to look at tier lists and tell people "watch out buddy"

[zenith elm]

Yeah

[royal lantern]

i would gquit on the spot while laughing

[zenith elm]

I honestly find it hilarious

So i just send him sims of healers

Saying "watch out"

[orchid pewter]

Good one

[jade abyss]

Reminds me on a discussion 1 week when ptr comes out with my m+ buddies "we dont know if you fits bcs assa will be c tier"

[royal lantern]

(peaked at +13)

[placid sparrow]

proceeds to push higher than said buddies

[brave comet]

what world rank is this

[zenith elm]

LOL

[zenith elm]

Between 1000 and 2000

[deft shard]

Cringe bufdys

[plush isle]

Does anyone have a combined value of all the aura buffs Assa gained this PTR ?

[zenith elm]

1000000 percent

[inner swift]

Any fatebound m+ angles? D:

[buoyant herald]

Just an 8 and a 4 wasn’t it

[spare kayak]

Doubt x

[pliant remnant]

No

[proper vortex]

Dont be doomer, fatebound will be perfect for m+, as long as you pull 1 mob at a time 😉

[inner swift]

Thats like the 1 thing that hasnt happened yet

[jade abyss]

Not anymore

[inner swift]

Why not

[brave comet]

cause fatebound is bad in aoe

[jade abyss]

Was playing it season 1 until i reach +12 then i switched to ds D:

[brave comet]

its that simple

[inner swift]

Well your answer should have been cause blizzard devs suck XD

Funny how others can choose between hero talents

[jade abyss]

I wish to have 1h tricks from trickster for sin

[royal lantern]

imagine if tricks would do Something

[brave comet]

blizzard sucks

[patent iron]

but... it's a multi billion dollar indie company..

[jade abyss]

M mind feels better ! Dont take that illusion from me

[strange sleet]

Hey guys. Long time no see. It's been like 3 or 4 months since the last time I played WoW. I was thinking about trying the new patch for a couple months if rogue happened to be in a good state (mainly assa). But I'm seeing a lot of dooming around it.

I did read some of the pins and stuff, and looks like the last pin gives some hope. But I'm still kinda disconnected. Do assa numbers just suck? Did gameplay change significantly? Is fatebound gonna be the go-to spec now?

[brave comet]

i wonder why my envenoms seem to be weaker on average to every comparison i make on logs

is it just luck

[slim hamlet]

Are you doing the whole dry shiving stuff?

Giga buffing some envenoms

[brave comet]

yes

i know the rotation like the back of my hand and everything i just dont know what im doing wrong

[slim hamlet]

Are you uber minmaxxing twist the knife overlapning envenom?

[brave comet]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/zpmVnYF3q6NM8Bgf/pLVg2n1xbN4fr9c6?fight=19%2C28&type=damage-done&source=162%2CDonnyxd&ability=-32645&start=5633816%2C2796637&end=5753566%2C2916373

[slim hamlet]

I just woke up 1.5 min ago, I might die if I look at a log

[lusty mountain]

same situation as you, kinda disconnected from wow lately but from what i've seen SIN is looking good and fatebound is the way in raid at least, idk if im wrong =)

[nova kelp]

fatebound is not the way on anything with adds

but good for single target

[lusty mountain]

yeah so Im not lost at all good to know ahahah

[strange sleet]

Well I'm mostly interested in M+ tbh

[west crown]

Rogue looking good in m+ is quite a statement

Even looking good at all

[strange sleet]

Maybe I'll download the ptr If I can play with no active sub then and try myself.

[subtle tundra]

false

trust me

assa is so awful

will require 2 buffs on live

to be ok

https://tenor.com/view/i-wonder-if-rita-is-looking-at-the-same-moon-rita-bennet-rita-connected-by-light-the-getaway-gif-157274919593125001

[solar wyvern]

35% of his comparison is in execute range while yours is not. Hes playing authority of radiant power which procced in execute, used his HoC in execute, had his void ritual proc in exectue, his jastors proc in execute bro quite litearlly had insane execute dps

[worldly nebula]

also did his DM for execute didnt use on pull

[solar wyvern]

look at his spike in execute dps compared to yours

[golden loom]

Just proc

[worldly nebula]

its log farming

[solar wyvern]

last 45 seconds of the fight

I hope that answers your question LMAO

[kindred oriole]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[worthy fable]

Any fate bound enjoyers?

[novel star]

probably not

the changes are great for st fatebound which means youll still only play it on like one boss?

or two i dont remember

and never in m+

cool

[normal mist]

Really cool

[frank trench]

So I can still just play deathstalker which I just mastered? Lol

[brave comet]

so basically this is just a lot of luck?

[frank trench]

Whew

[novel star]

yeah

fb getting giga buffed for the only thing its good at doesnt make it actually good

cause its still only good at one thing

and that thing is patchwerk fights which never fucking exist anymore

every raid boss is pad hell

[frank trench]

lol that’s a good point

[novel star]

not worth the trouble

[hallow glade]

maybe you play fb on more fights later in the tier when adds start melting

[novel star]

unlikely

but maybe

[finite cliff]

Shindigg said like 3 bosses out of the first 6 are pure st

[novel star]

still doesnt fix it not being playable when it matters

[novel star]

probably including the spider which is fake st

so i think its 2

unless im self gaslighting

[scarlet orbit]

The best form of gaslighting

[barren yarrow]

With the buffs we just got shiv is 3 seconds mark is 60% from 50%. Is it a noticeable difference?

Or am I going to just thank blizzard and move on

[deep robin]

can share hybrid build for m+ in in-game image or build code?

[spice surge]

Not much difference no, just slightly more damage

Technically longer shiv makes arterial better in m+

But bleed was already looking like the best option so

[normal mist]

It's now the bestest best

[burnt star]

If only they could fix fatebound being shit at cleave.. the coin should explode imo 😅

[grim jay]

Besterest

[grim jay]

Should get removed imo

[burnt star]

When u land on edge: coin explode in all direction doing uncapped damage

[grim jay]

Make it a spinning dagger

[burnt star]

Make it a beyblade fok

[grim jay]

That can land with the blunt end or the blade

[plush remnant]

How is assassinations ST damage in M+ looking in s3?

[vestal wren]

if you get more targets insane

if you pure st, probably not good

[rotund oak]

the cow hoodie is illegaly cute

[vestal wren]

haha, you can probably get it too from the quest system of discord

[tender dagger]

hey guys could anyone explain what dry shiving means?

[zenith elm]

I never saw it before you

[native turret]

No lube

[tender dagger]

i never lube

[golden loom]

for 30 seconds after deathmark runs out you have a buff called lingering darkness, during this a shiv charge will come back from CD + you will have a darkest night sometime during it, you combine all these into a big dam envenom

[native turret]

That's a wet shiv

[zenith elm]

🍆🫠

[tender dagger]

tyvm

[zenith elm]

Stoooop being helpfuuuuul

We cant sandbag if ppl start to get good

[golden loom]

I am not in the sandbagging business

[jade abyss]

Dont throw stones at me but im not a bleedbuild enjoyer D:

[normal mist]

That's fine honestly

[spice spire]

Actually it’s punishable by death

[spice surge]

Straight to the Electric cuckchair

[jade abyss]

I play priobuild all the time

In m+

[grim jay]

Disgusting

And you are hating on feet licking gifs

Smh my head

I even supported you

[jade abyss]

Hahaha

Tbh im unable to make good numbers with bleed :/ and prio is the one that works the best for me

And feets are still disgusting

[ocean ore]

guys, it is normal do low dmg on single target with the bleed build? i really did not understood how to play it right

in a m+ boss fight with no adds i mean

[silver sapphire]

yeah

its sucks st

[jade abyss]

Sin in general sucks st in m+

[burnt star]

yes either do good aoe, or good st

cant have both

[cyan surge]

Next season got me yelling "It's my buffs and I need it now!"

[ocean ore]

jesus, so its really sucks, i was doing something like 1.5m dps on single

[ocean ore]

thats sad actually, cause its the only spec fun to play... outlaw mechanics sucks and sub is kind boring

[iron carbon]

Sub boring?

[burnt star]

ur job isnt the prio/st damage if u play bleed

[iron carbon]

U drunk mate?

[ocean ore]

personal opinion haha

[iron carbon]

Sure, but weird opinion

Ahaha

Sin is only fun in AoE

[ocean ore]

i mean, this nimble flury makes the gameplay not intuitive and i played it so bad that i can perform a nice overall

[ocean ore]

yes! i really like the playstyle for aoe

[burnt star]

well theres a difference between "boring" and "needing practice "

[ocean ore]

it is fun

[ocean ore]

boring to understand, for me

hahaha

[burnt star]

sry edited.. didnt mean it that way

but ya.. sub u need practice.. but once u nail it... its weird to call it boring

[ocean ore]

i believe it

[silver sapphire]

i love sub but got to be honest outside of cds its not really the funniest spec

[ocean ore]

but ass is so much more fun, witch makes me not confortable to change specs for now, only if the others one ar doing a lot of dmg above him

[ocean ore]

this!

[silver sapphire]

some procs would help or idk what but

[normal mist]

Which makes you appreciate the fun moments more

[silver sapphire]

as soon as shadowblades end you press a finisher every minute

[normal mist]

Just like in life

[cyan surge]

At least there are a few bosses that makes assassination look great like Big M.O.M.M.A, Azerokk, I'pa and a few others.

[ocean ore]

make sense aswell, but for me the worst game style is the nimbleflurry

cup de grace is one of the best hero talents for roghes

but nimble dont buy me

[nocturne quail]

Sin IS great

[normal mist]

Meh

[royal lantern]

sorry, but i have to do it

until im bored

[acoustic sail]

whats better perform now after buff sub or sin

[normal mist]

Yes

Guess we'll know when the raid and m+ season comes out

[subtle kiln]

Assa as always. You’ve now got a kit for literally everything

@royal lantern will you coach me on Fatebound assa in exchange for doggo picks?

[royal lantern]

i have no dog

only Bnuy pics

[subtle kiln]

I pay with the doggo PICTs

[royal lantern]

oh

well

macro CB with kingsbane

use vanish for the 2nd envenom after using DM

congratz. you mastered fatebound, there is nothing else

[royal lantern]

@spice spire dog pics dog pics

@stark heart you aswell

[earnest flume]

anyone got a quick tip on how i'd alter LE's WA pack to show the KB stacks on the icon. i have a weird tick of looking at the buff in the top right and would like to see it closer to where my eyes should be.

[subtle kiln]

If it’s on the icon, just change the positioning of the text

[golden loom]

well theres no need to track KB stacks (I guess except for if u like looking at the number for some reason)

[earnest flume]

ye its just a weird thing i like to look at. like i said bit of a tick whenever i press it.

[coral ibex]

you dont need to know your kb stacks at any point

its just distracting you

[hidden torrent]

love seeing assassination pulling 40mil on first pull of floodgate before buffs hit PTR

[winged sun]

thats not true

sin st is very good in m+

just dont play troll builds where u do 0 dps because its easier to play

cleave build is the only very good build in M+ to do high st + aoe

hybrid only aoe

same with bleed build only aoe

cleave is way harder to play so gl

[winged sun]

^

only thing bad about sin is the tier set's design being just undesireable to play around with

[inner swift]

the ultimate yapper is back

wb

[winged sun]

ty, im not really yapping tho'

i tested sin quite alot in ptr

[inner swift]

you still hold the title

[inner swift]

what were the results

[winged sun]

so idk why people spread lies on sin being bad in st when they play wrong builds it confuses me abit if u ask me

[strange sleet]

wait did this change? Bleed had insane prio when I left.

[winged sun]

lacking in aoe honestly all builds whatsoever, they're all doing very similar aoe dmg

but like

needs more buffs imo

they're just overbuffing other classes alot so they fall ahead quite fast

[inner swift]

the recent buffs aint live on ptr yet so

[winged sun]

im aware

i do however want to see what this means

in real gameplay

looks like just a flat increase of duration i suppose

[golden loom]

4 seconds or whatever more of fully stacked KB yeah

[winged sun]

im sure it'll unlock builds for noobs

[golden loom]

but M+ fatebound is uhhhhhh

[winged sun]

kingsbane does alot of dmg

so

idk

also kingsbane is rly low cd with the tier set

most misplays ppl dont minmax mark well

so maybe its good for them idk

[fringe sierra]

doesn't exist

[winged sun]

DS is ahead by alot tho thats for sure

60% is kinda nice

[snow hamlet]

bleed sure do very good prio damage, idk why does he think so

[golden loom]

feel like if you cant play DS then playing a KB centric FB build will lead to them just pressing KB on some shitter that insta dies and then you are fried like a chicken nugget at mcdonalds

[winged sun]

bleed has very low prio dmg

wdym

[winged sun]

idk dude ppl just play bad on any build what can i say

[strange sleet]

since when?

[hardy dagger]

Very low seems off no bleed still does decent prio dmg

[winged sun]

?

well

[snow hamlet]

If you compare it to a cleave build, yes; but I don't think it's very low.

[winged sun]

what

main reason why cleave is way better is because of the insane prio dmg gains

it has way more envenom dmg

bleed build has no envenom dmg

legit 0 compared to cleave

[strange sleet]

But bleed had insane prio some months ago. What did they change for it to be low now?

[coral ibex]

nothing

he's just talking out of his ass

[winged sun]

it never had insane prio dmg

[strange sleet]

it did

[winged sun]

ur just trying to be annoying rn

[coral ibex]

singular focus still goes as hard as ever

[winged sun]

???

[snow hamlet]

like,90 points is lower than 100 points, but 90 is not very low

[lean plover]

bleed prio is good, bleed st is not

[winged sun]

ok maybe its time to give some assassination lessons

1 sec

[strange sleet]

Yeah I mean I'm talking about prio, in a pack of mobs ofc. Not single target dmg

[winged sun]

nah it has low prio dmg

[coral ibex]

yea

[fallow canopy]

[coral ibex]

prio means prio

not st

[winged sun]

brother

i know

what prio is

[coral ibex]

[winged sun]

you

[shy axle]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-well-actually-as-a-matter-of-fact-gif-27665011

[hardy dagger]

[snow hamlet]

[shy axle]

whats so hard about cleave ? isn`t it the same like hybrid just without the normal garrote usage?

[winged sun]

for your information since im sure none of you guys actually do keys (no offense to any of you), bleed build invests in spreading bleeds that contribute 0 prio dmg compared to cleave which naturally sends 2 ruptures and spams envenoms

i checked many logs while i was r1 for 2 months straight and i was gapping every single sin rogue in prio dmg by a long shot

till they somehow saw this build that it does way more st and way more prio dmg

[coral ibex]

ok zeross do me a favor and hover over the singular focus talent

[winged sun]

crazy right? it gets better, you only spend 2 gcds before spamming envenoms

nah

[coral ibex]

tell me what it says

[winged sun]

dont singular focus me because both builds have singular focus and for your information cleave build does more aoe than bleed btw if your playing it correctly in big packs

assuming ur not pulling 8 mobs at a time like a +10 key farmer

[coral ibex]

god its like talking to a brick wall

[winged sun]

in return, cleave build does more singular focus dmg

[coral ibex]

i give up

[winged sun]

nooj ur perma ragebaiting

idk whats hard to understand with what i said

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[plain plaza]

I mean you are talking to a high-end player?

[winged sun]

ngl everytime i come here its the same person

[shy axle]

does singular focus redirect the env splash dmg from acidic back into the sf-target?

[winged sun]

you, tryan, muffin

[coral ibex]

no he's just gotten more insufferable over the last season

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/now-kith-mike-tyson-gif-13249709

[coral ibex]

somehow

[royal lantern]

your mistake is not having him blocked

[winged sun]

you all 3 just pretend ur always right

[carmine tartan]

playing rogue just makes you insufferable tbh

[winged sun]

when u dont really do keys

[coral ibex]

"i was r1 for blah blah blah" like anyone cares

[winged sun]

nah idc about that

because every key pusher agrees with me

[mental flicker]

I can start ragebaiting u if u’d like some variety?

[winged sun]

i remember when i was having a conversation with mortiz

and shindig

we were all amazed on how this build has way more prio dmg

and not only us btw

pretty sure few greens and purples here were talking about it

even tho it wasn't that great in aoe unless played perfectly, the prio was significantly higher according to frequent log checking and details

we compared many logs btw you can ask whispyr since ur just calling me a brick wall everytime

[royal lantern]

"i was r1 when nobody played assa, and when people started playing it i was not r1 anymore"

the circle of the r1 assa m+ guys every time

[winged sun]

you dont play any m+

[lean plover]

but the point was bleed not having good prio dmg, cleave having better doesnt mean bleed doesnt have

[snow hamlet]

I'm not sure why you think others are questioning the prio damage of cleave builds. Maybe others are just saying that bleed builds aren't bad either?

[coral ibex]

"bleed has bad prio bc cleave has better prio"

[lean plover]

but ye cleave has better prio

[mighty vine]

I play the build thats fun to hit 3k then stop like any other sane individual

[winged sun]

bleed build does have bad prio tho

[coral ibex]

as if bleed just cannot do prio damage

[winged sun]

?

it does have very bad prio

lol

u realize that singular focus is useless right

[inner swift]

can you give me your rogue name?

[mental flicker]

I’m not sure there’s any doubt cleave has more prio. And bleed also has prio, compared to some classes that have none. It’s just a matter of degree - and, if the tank pulls around CDs and pulls big - cleave can outperform bleed overall. Mage works same way.

[golden loom]

well hybrid is worse than both bleed and cleave

[winged sun]

singular focus literally has nothing to do with prio dmg its so useless even if they do remove it our prio will still be very good for cleave build, its just bleed that'll just water out on prio dmg

[coral ibex]

why

[strange sleet]

Bad prio compared with most of the other classes and specs in the game or just compared to the cleave build?

Also, How much is "significantly higher"? 50% or something absurd like that?

[winged sun]

you may be overestimating singular focus alot because it was abused in the MDI alot btw

[winged sun]

yeah im comparing bleed build to other classes and specs

not to cleave build only

its genuinely bad

like, very bad

as a matter of fact

[strange sleet]

Well then either they changed a lot of stuff in the game or you are just capping.

[winged sun]

?

we can throw a test right now if your so confident about your words

[coral ibex]

its very bad, i just cant quantify it and i will mock you for asking me to

[inner swift]

well from a outside pov i wanna see what have you done this season or the previous ones that givs you this confidence

thats allreally

[winged sun]

lets login and do a floodgates and see how big of a difference it'll be on big momma

i tried bleed build and it wasn't topping boss dmg

cleave not only topped boss dmg, it did way more than arcane mage

which is absolutely crazy

[brave comet]

lmao

[winged sun]

your all just doing +10 keys which dont matter because ur playing with random playerss

that literally do 0 dps

ur all just coming up with random things all the time

[brave comet]

zeross is like a little chihuahua he's so cute when he's so mad

[iron carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[harsh anchor]

I do 12s thank you very much.

[winged sun]

"bleed build has high prio dmg"

[coral ibex]

my confidence comes from knowing how the talents work and not being a cleave andy who is trying to leverage this into being a streamer/influencer

[winged sun]

[strange sleet]

I left the game like 3 or 4 months ago and my prio dmg with bleed was pretty good compared to others. Like pretty good.

[winged sun]

ur literally spending all ur globals on bleeds for like 12 seconds and says it has high prio dmg

[shy axle]

whats the prio cleave has in comparison to hybrid? just more gcds for env because less gar?

[iron carbon]

More boosting envenom talents

[winged sun]

"my confidence comes from knowing how the talents work"

btw chat

read this

since hes confidence about his talents so much

[brave comet]

if being good gave people viewership on twitch, he'd be the 14th most viewed rogue on twitch. the reason why he cant build a viewership is because zeross is a boring ass person

[coral ibex]

zeross glazers hate that i speak the truth

[inner swift]

so if 2 rogues plays the same key one with bleed and one with cleave you believe the bleed one would come out on top? or have the same amount of prio?

[winged sun]

this does crazy dmg in DM cd window

and

[shy axle]

@iron carbon thank you

[coral ibex]

no and i never said bleed did more prio than cleave

[winged sun]

cleave sends 2 ruptures and instantly spams envenoms

[coral ibex]

i said bleed does good prio damage

because of the talents we have

[winged sun]

it does not do good prio dmg tho

lmao

its literally bad

[crude helm]

This was a good time to crack a white monster

[winged sun]

because ur spending random bleed gcds

that do 0 prio

[coral ibex]

if you can show me where i said bleed does the same or more prio damage than cleave, i'd love to see it

please reply and ping me with it

[winged sun]

singular focus is so little dmg for it to even matter

brother noojk

do u read

[brave comet]

careful zeross, you're gonna have an aneurysm, you dont have to be so mad

[golden loom]

the real prio bleed has is after you are done spreading bleeds your team has almost killed the target so you get to DM it in zoldyck range

[winged sun]

@balmy condor idk why he acts this way everytime

nooj, bleed build does less prio on avg compared to most classes in the game

[royal lantern]

if you do the same key with 2 rogues, wtf are you doing

[winged sun]

not just cleave build

i understand that singular focus looks good and does good in +10 keys

but when ur playing with real dps pumpers, it falls sooo far behind

[brave comet]

zeross why did you quit aurora

[winged sun]

(in prio dmg)

[brave comet]

is it true you have a job?

i thought your job was to argue people in here 24/7

[stark heart]

[strange sleet]

Ok so bleed build is only bad for 0.01% of the playerbase? Then I guess it's not so bad.

[coral ibex]

less

[fallow canopy]

I love m+

[stark heart]

I was very surprised to see myself pinged in a spec channel

[rain mortar]

Tbf, bleed build can do average prio if you play it wrong and slam to many envenoms without getting your bleeds out, but at that point just play cleave?

[golden loom]

now we are cooking

[royal lantern]

only doing it for good reasons, trust me

[winged sun]

tbh like

i can see why ppl think it does good prio dmg

i respect that but thats just not true if ur playing vs real players

[marble hemlock]

lemme guess, its because everyone else is terrible at the game except for "blasters", and yourself ofc?

[winged sun]

in high keys it just sucks honestly

[golden loom]

I mean it is the best prio damage in the game if you are doing 10s

[winged sun]

im not trying to say that tho

[harsh anchor]

Am I not real. What am I

[shrewd night]

Im sure you have better thing to do than stir the pot

[marble hemlock]

might wanna remember that most general advice is just that. advice for general people.

[winged sun]

like in most pugs the dmg ppl are just bad honestly

[strange sleet]

But then the point is. Why are you playing rogue on high keys? Just play whatever is meta.

[chilly sluice]

I don't come here often but whenever i do, it's this nooj guy yapping nonsense and talking like he's an authority on rogue

[winged sun]

so usually in pugs its bad data to compare dps

thats why ^

[strange sleet]

Rogue is just bad in general for high keys no?

[iron carbon]

Clown behaviour, we get used to it

[coral ibex]

damn sorry for speaking with confidence lmao

ill try to be more meek when speaking the truth

bleed does good prio damage

uwu

[iron carbon]

:3

[unborn rain]

[winged sun]

no its good

you need a melee comp for rogue

[coral ibex]

luckily i dont base my self esteem on how many people are currently glazing me in ravenholdt

[rain mortar]

I mean the real answer is simple. Bleed build good for low keys cleave build better for high keys? It’s not so complicated haha

[quaint spindle]

God i hope fatebound is bis

[marble hemlock]

it wont be

[shy axle]

just delete the selfnerf line

[marble hemlock]

maybe if they turbonerf forge and buff some of the 90sec trinkets?

[winged sun]

what im trying to say is that any dmg u compare in low keys its likely to be fake data because most ppl play bad down there or just rather dont play m+ seriously enough to do proper dps

[fallow canopy]

In any sort of scenario that is not st you probably wont play fb

[winged sun]

i know "m+ pushers are annoying they think they know everything" but we really do because we play M+ all the time with great players

and not pugs

[coral ibex]

i mean surely they buff some 90s trinkets, there are tons of 90s specs in the game

[brave comet]

most everyone dont play M+ seriously

[marble hemlock]

that doesnt make the data bad. it just makes the data not applicable for highkeys. but why would you do that in the first place?

[brave comet]

99.9% of the population dont do high keys

[winged sun]

idk u can honestly play anything in low keys

[reef timber]

ill ask again cuz i got memed last time.. when im seting up plater, what bleeds should i be tracking?

[marble hemlock]

the weekly key data is applicable for weekly keys. what a shocker.

[brave comet]

for that bleed rogue is absolutely king

[coral ibex]

garrote, rupture, crimson tempest

[uneven marsh]

I mean it's what Ass M+ builds are labeled for since TWW launch

[winged sun]

but like seliathan, bleed build spreads bleeds in low keys so ur not really doing prio dmg while cleave spreads 2 ruptures and spams envenoms very early

so if lets say a new season starts on a +10

mobs eitherway have low health

bleed build has to spread bleeds then maybe 1-2 envenoms and target dies

usually comparison on dmg profile is irrelevant in low keys

because u can realistically play anything and make it look like its doing good prio dmg

[strange sleet]

What is considereed a high key nowadays? I imagined at this point the normal stuff would be like m20?

[winged sun]

because the mobs just have too low health if u pump 1 pack ur just miles ahead anyway

[marble hemlock]

the goal for weekly keys isnt to hyperoptimize, its to find a build that mixes ease of play with universality so its never bad, even if it might also never be exceptional

[coral ibex]

zeross's current key level

below that is not a high key

[lean plover]

ok thats just stirring the pot honestly

[winged sun]

ye its not bad, bleed build is overall very good in low keys i agree but

[strange sleet]

4 months ago ppl were already doing 17 pretty normally

[winged sun]

like idk prio dmg barely is a concern in low keys

any class can do good dmg to that 1 mob

on a +10

mobs are too low hp anyway

[fallow canopy]

The conversation has shifted a lot but the main argument was "is bleed build prio good/decent or not?"

[winged sun]

very hard to have a proper comparison compared to other classes

[marble hemlock]

thats talking from a position of privilege though, as far as m+ is concerned. that group that needs 25min to time a +10 will have just the same struggles as the group that needs 25min to time a +21. they typically have very similar damage profile issues, and pain-points within dungeons especially when it comes to prio damage remain the same as well

[subtle tundra]

gl seli

[coral ibex]

people werent doing 17's less than a month into the patch

[subtle tundra]

you need it

[marble hemlock]

yeah sure if you take your guild group in week1 of a new season and blast through +10s in 12 minutes, shit dies quickly

but thats not the target audience for giving advice on weekly-key builds now, is it?

[winged sun]

thats true yes, my main point is that usually in those low keys that take 25 mins for a +10 are usually doing bad dmg to pull off good data from

[marble hemlock]

but again, the data is good for that type of player. its just not useful to you. but, frankly, who cares about a highkey players opinion on what is and isnt good for keys they never play?

[winged sun]

im mainly pointing out that dmg profile comparison is almost useless in low keys

[marble hemlock]

its not like youd listen to someone telling you what to play in highkeys either, would you?

[winged sun]

i do appreciate both sides, bleed build is alot easier to play afterall and is very recommended on those key levels ye

[marble hemlock]

its entirely useful for people who struggle in that level of keys, which, believe it or not, is a fair amount of people

[winged sun]

doesn't stop the fact that bleed build has less prio dmg than most classes if played properly though

[shrewd night]

Its not like someone would tell you, if they think your build is garbo the kick button is usually used

[marble hemlock]

yeah, but as per your own words, people at that keylevel dont play properly. so why bring that argument in the first place

[winged sun]

ya

[marble hemlock]

if people dont play properly, it is valuable information and a part of the damage profile that does matter

[coral ibex]

players with lower ceilings can also care about optimization and buildcraft

[marble hemlock]

wish i could use a kick button rn bud

[coral ibex]

you dont have to be a top tier player to get something out of it

[strange sleet]

maybe I exagerated. 3 months ago maybe? I know for a fact in the 11.2 PTR some 14's were being timed already, with 649ilvl they gave. I was doing 12's in the ptr. In the live version everything got nerfed so it was even easier. I think I remember Casual sending some 16-17 pretty early in the patch

[shrewd night]

On who

[marble hemlock]

its all about understanding the target audience of certain builds or advice, and what their environment is actually like, instead of assuming an optiomal environment. if people at +10 keys played optimally, they wouldnt be playing +10 keys anymore.

[winged sun]

you have a point here yeah

at that skill level of where usual +10 players play at

[marble hemlock]

most people at +10s are awful at doing good aoe outside of cooldowns, and often even isnide cooldowns. they generally all do good ST tho

[winged sun]

bleed build is likely to have good prio dmg for that audience

[marble hemlock]

but ye obv if you have a banger group and that high prio mob dies in 10sec

things look diff

[winged sun]

yeah

[marble hemlock]

old assa with the 10sec setup for your dm/kb burst

mob was dead by then, wcyd

[winged sun]

it still exists in high keys when u have to send a kidney shot early on u just want to alt f4 💀

[subtle crown]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[marble hemlock]

just say it got parried or smth, idk

sounds like a tank issue (or whoever died from that mob)

[strange sleet]

Most ppl that plays 10's are awfull in general because they do not care. They just want items. In fact most ppl who plays this game don't really care about their skill.

[winged sun]

[dawn kelp]

what the fuck am i reading in here

[marble hemlock]

thats very true, for the most part. but those people arent looking for information either, so theyre not the target audience either.

[winged sun]

im gonna use the kidney shot got parried excuse next time i decide not to press it

does it actually get parried tho?

[golden loom]

dont say it got parried

say it got dodged

[marble hemlock]

so when people give advice (or try to), or write guides, or make videos, they typically think about who might actually consume their information, and tailor it towards that group. thats why you aint gonna be ordering lobster or caviar at a mcdonalds either

[marble hemlock]

nah, can only be dodged iirc

[winged sun]

all mobs+bosses can dodge?

[marble hemlock]

theres a few spells that have the "cannot be parried/dodged" flag, KB got it recently, shiv has had it for a longass while

bosses cant dodge, no

[winged sun]

or are there like certain weird mechanics where some mobs cant dodge?

[marble hemlock]

only parry

[winged sun]

ah

[marble hemlock]

dodge aint on their defense table

only players can dodge

idk if kidney can still get dodged in pvp

havent touched pvp since legion

[winged sun]

what about parry, everything can parry ye?

[strange sleet]

Yes. So what's the point of comparing things at the 0.01% upper spectrum?

[winged sun]

its only the fazed thing that gives u immunity afaik

[marble hemlock]

not everything

only enemies that are 3 levels above player level can

[winged sun]

ye i remember u with ur tbc glad mount in oribos walking around

sick ass mount

[marble hemlock]

so if theres trashmobs that are level 83, they can parry, or any enemy that is labeled a boss (indicated by the skull instead of a level descriptor)

those are always considered +3

[golden loom]

so sad that this is getting removed (others benefiting from it)

[marble hemlock]

cuz blizz is lazy, any boss that appears in both dungeon and raid, can thus parry (rashanan, shadow of zul, helya, etc.)

[golden loom]

wait was rashanan able to parry? I thought bosses that u always were facing were made to not parry

[winged sun]

parry is such a shitty mechanic tho, like if parry exists why not make resist exist too

[marble hemlock]

rashanan wasnt

thats true

cuz he got the "cant parry" flag

like halondrus, krosus etc.

[winged sun]

im sure if they randomly add resist people will go crazy]

mages cry very hard ngl

they're really good at it

[marble hemlock]

dw, i asked that very question in an interview, and the answer was one of the reasons i changed my name on here

[winged sun]

[lean plover]

whats the thematic part of parry

[golden loom]

reminds me of what a warlock in my old classic guild literally complained about yesterday

[winged sun]

like think about it for a sec

the game as a whole doesn't make sense

[marble hemlock]

[...]
So, it's not really a 1 to 1, but we do like the idea of Parry existing to further enhance the fantasy of playing a melee character.```

[winged sun]

2nd of all, how can a boss parry 15 melees all at once

that doesnt also make sense

so maybe just delete parry because its annoying for no reason

[normal mist]

It is thematic

[golden loom]

the most fucked up part about stuff like classic though is players can only dodge if you are facing the attacker, bosses cant parry from the back BUT they can dodge

[shy axle]

big ass arm that gets thrown around

parry everything

[winged sun]

hmm

[marble hemlock]

so thematic they made sure to have many exclusions of said fantasy

[winged sun]

i wonder what zac thinks about this

[marble hemlock]

and made an entire hero talent ability remove the ability to parry

[fallow canopy]

so thematic a worm with tiny ass hands can parry shit

[winged sun]

now that u say that seliathan

[fallow canopy]

or could*

[winged sun]

like the paragraph u just sent

[lean plover]

boss, 2 arms, no shield, can parry 9 attacks at the same time

ok sure

thematic

[winged sun]

1 thing i really liked when we played as a melee comp this season, we prepositioned alot of our fights for us to have proper melee uptime+behind the boss to not lose gcds+parry

[strange sleet]

don't need a shield to parry

[marble hemlock]

the most annoying part is that bosses used to be unable to parry while casting, but they also changed that at some point im sure

[golden loom]

https://tenor.com/view/game-combat-sekiro-from-software-gif-12490160

[marble hemlock]

so now you can still get parried when a boss casts a spell at a ranged and turns to them for a second

[winged sun]

im not saying parry is a good thing but i liked when we preplanned that

it is indeed annoying in raids tho

[marble hemlock]

you used to be able to wait a second or two and use an important ability while the boss was casting, cuz casting = cannot dodge/parry

[strange sleet]

that's lame

[marble hemlock]

but ye in any case

parry sucks, but its also really not a big issue. it just pisses you off when it happens, but doesnt really affect overall class performance in a meaningful way

[golden loom]

one armed bandit

made me lose my mind

not gonna lie

[coral ibex]

true

[strange sleet]

yeah, except when KB get's parried. It's the worst feeling

[winged sun]

ye, parry is just honestly only annoying in raids, they should make make skyfury give u parry immunity

[royal lantern]

cant get parried anymore

[winged sun]

idm parry in M+ tho

its cool there

i like parry in m+

minmaxing where u stand is something i like

[strange sleet]

KB? omg that's great

[winged sun]

but in raids u have 0 options

[spice surge]

Almost nothing in m+ parries though

[marble hemlock]

ye in m+ theres typically like

1-3 mobs per season that can, at most

[spice surge]

Its like the darkness in s2

[marble hemlock]

some seasons have 0 mobs that can

[winged sun]

kinda, its just a minmax u can do, trash can parry you

[spice surge]

They cant

[marble hemlock]

trash is too low level to have parry on their defense table

[winged sun]

o really idk

[marble hemlock]

unless theyre moblevel 83

[earnest remnant]

its only mobs that are flagged as elites

[winged sun]

i guess its just bosses i see

[earnest remnant]

yeh

[spice surge]

Think they fixed rashanan in dawnbreaker too

[winged sun]

oh so minibosses?

[marble hemlock]

like i wrote earlier, it has to do with player vs enemy level

[spice surge]

So not sure theres anything in s3

[earnest remnant]

lvl 83 mobs

[marble hemlock]

+2 cannot parry, +3 can

[spice surge]

Bosses cant either

Its only raid bosses

[marble hemlock]

iirc theres still some mobs that can partial block, but idk if thats still an issue/thing. it wont affect KB regardless

[spice surge]

And bosses in keys that are labelled raid bosses for some reason

[marble hemlock]

but back in legion/bfa some bosses could still do that, and you ended up with 3CP mutilates despite it being >100% critrate mutilate

[subtle kiln]

Halondrus: sub and enhance would like a word about parry not mattering with performance.

[winged sun]

hmm let me see actually i never tracked levels of mobs

thats abit interesting

[marble hemlock]

well yeah

[winged sun]

these guys are elites tho

[marble hemlock]

idk if glancing blows still exist, even