assassination

[fathom flax]

My mage friend is unironically saying that mages get less attention that rogues

[jade abyss]

100 yards sounds more like a caustic nuke

[balmy condor]

Some degenerate made a side by side I think but I have no clue where I saw it

I try my best to avoid venturing too deep into the animal kingdom

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

Every spreadsheet and random junk infographic I’ve seen regarding season 3 has been entirely against my will

[deft shard]

Is this you? @balmy condor https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/t73zh1GFc6Z4Hndg?fight=11&type=damage-done

On eu

[balmy condor]

yeah just ignore that ulria is there

[red schooner]

I mentally block out boomkins anyhow

[deft shard]

Was on propose to not use caustic with a aoe fight?

[balmy condor]

you linked plexus sentinel heroic

[fringe spear]

yea very much a st fight

[marsh fjord]

That’s one of the most delusional takes I ever heard

[red schooner]

I can come up with worse

[deft shard]

Mybad i thought was this boss

Who got aoe sorry

[midnight mist]

wtf you are leaking him data directly ?

[balmy condor]

hell fucking no

I want nothing to do with his stupid sheet

[midnight mist]

yet you play with him

sus

[still steppe]

@balmy condor can u please get them to buff rogues

[balmy condor]

yeah let me call john blizzard

right on it bud

[deft shard]

Just dev the buff yourself

[balmy condor]

right after I cure cancer

and invent immortality

and fix world hunger

[subtle tundra]

ok whispyr

make me happy

oh wait i did that myself

i dont play wow!

[zenith elm]

can you not make us immortal pls

I wanna have the fear of death

that's what keeps me going

[still steppe]

i knew i could count on u love u keen to see the buffs

[balmy condor]

the ptr balance is so shit I don't even know what the target is

I can't tell where things are supposed to be at

[deft shard]

"Overall damage increased by 25%"

Would bé good

[red schooner]

8 MM hunter RWF team, make it happen liquid

Just because it'd be funny

[zenith elm]

Make us weep

[hoary remnant]

also tuning being full gamba doesnt fit the theme of the raid anymore so they gotta get it right this time

[marsh fjord]

I know we hate sims but I just seen a chart and we are 400k higher then a tank spec

💀💀💀💀

[balmy condor]

yeah that'll happen when none of the numbers make sense

[marsh fjord]

Don’t know how accurate tho

[runic hinge]

I feel like prot warrior sims are fake tbh, like they could do that much damage but that's if they spend all their rage on damage

spamming execute and stuff

[balmy condor]

it's not

[lusty kraken]

What is the situation with embellishments for season 3?

[marsh fjord]

Same thing prob

1 weapon but not on boots

Since you want the boots from the raid

[balmy condor]

weapon bracer

just like always

[subtle tundra]

GOOGOO GAGA I SEE NUMBERS

MOOOOOOOOOORE

[balmy condor]

the two lowest stat budget slots

gg

[marsh fjord]

I think by week 3 we can craft weapon

[lusty kraken]

Would have been great if we could just use normal gear

But oh well

[subtle tundra]

anyways guys

reroll

assa will get a 5%er first week

and be left to die

youre welcome

[lusty kraken]

Pretty sure you can craft week one

[marsh fjord]

Week one?

Without a spark?

What?

[runic hinge]

you get a spark week 1 usually

[lusty kraken]

Every season so far you got a spark week one

[red schooner]

You get a spark week 1

[balmy condor]

you get a half spark from quest

[runic hinge]

and last season we got 2 week 1

[balmy condor]

and then a half spark cause it's week 1

so 2 halves

make 1 whole

[runic hinge]

cause they messed up

[balmy condor]

math is adding up

[subtle tundra]

john exploiter here

[marsh fjord]

Big

[subtle tundra]

i shouldve exploited...

[runic hinge]

I wonder if they release them early again

someone surely exploits again

[subtle tundra]

i literally could've exploited and didnt

[winged quail]

Blizzard have made it clear exploiters are rewarded I’m fully down to exploit whatever the latest bs is this patch

[subtle tundra]

cause i thought "surely it doesnt work"

and i would've had 2 handed crafted weapon on monk week 1 instead of week buttfuck

[runic hinge]

didnt they just give everyone full second spark week 2 or whatever cause of the exploiters

[red schooner]

I think so yeah

[subtle tundra]

well 2 hand dropped from 2nd boss so i was hoping i could get one

(i didnt)

(i had to craft)

i would've crafted 2 hander in week 1 otherwise

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/spill-issue-oh-no-my-milj-orange-cat-orange-cat-milk-milk-cat-gif-11913986030845101804

[zenith elm]

oh no we are doing tank dmg ? TIME TO DOOOOOOOOOOOOM

[acoustic sky]

I think whispyr will go crazy with all those ptr sims handies and start to ban hammer them

[red schooner]

I'm waiting for the slowmode

[zenith elm]

I want to see ppl doom

it always is the same, and i find that funny

[runic hinge]

Doom when changes. Doom when no changes. Doom when buffs. Doom when nerfs

[zenith elm]

WE ARENT TOP 1 DPS?????

DOOMING MOOOOODE

[subtle tundra]

flip the list and all rogue specs are top 5

[zenith elm]

its still not top 1

so we dooming guys

[orchid pewter]

Pog 5 rogue specs

[red schooner]

A little bit of dooming about the state of fatebound is permitted

As a treat

[zenith elm]

good treat

[rose bolt]

Are there any recommendations on what to Craft and socket before S3? Something on 681 with BiS stats and a socket could potentially last until HC, no?

[sharp viper]

nope, if you want gear you farm m+ at the start of s3

all of it is gonna replace crafted pieces from s2

[rose bolt]

Fair point

[red schooner]

If you have an embellishment on your cloak, move it over before the patch

[sharp viper]

oh that's a good idea for writhing armor banding

the higher ilvl we get the worse embellishments are in comparison to +3 ilvl, i will be curious what next seasons sim will say

[normal mist]

They will say you're cute

[slim hamlet]

Yea I was very sceptical when looking for it on Google​ and the AI told me 100 yards. Opened wowhead and it indeed does have it listed as 100 yards

[flat pier]

Do we have a list of what gear to grab in season 3 ?

[buoyant herald]

nope

bis lists are fake anyway

[subtle tundra]

the ones with high ilvl

weapons are good

the 4th boss trinket until it gets nerfed and other buffed so it becomes mediocre

[old lily]

does it seem like we have to raid to get bis trinkets again? (like a fkn house of cards type of shit) or can you just go with pacemaker/signet and be fine

[royal lantern]

pacemaker/signet was literally the best thing the entire Patch lol

[old lily]

i was under the assumption house is better considering it gives more mastery even though it's on the shorter cd and duration, since DM/KB is 15 sec either way, Signet just gives 5 seconds of mastery outside the big coolies

[red cloak]

can someone link me to the CT tracker that shows me how many targets i have it on bc im dumb and i cant find it

[royal lantern]

it was literally the same since day 1 lol

could have always simmed it yourself

we use more dungeon trinkets the entire expansions runtime

[old lily]

alright i was wrong about that one then

though the question was if we knew it would be the same next patch

[royal lantern]

0 trinket tuning done

[normal mist]

There's one op

But will surely be tuned right?

Right??

[old lily]

i may be dumb here but i still don't know if that means i can do with pacemaker/signet or if one of the raid trinkets is broken

[earnest remnant]

left

[royal lantern]

it gives like 30k stats when all other things give like 9k, some SMALL tuning issue

[normal mist]

[royal lantern]

well, no tuning done

thats kinda it

[earnest remnant]

only day to think about to go for

is the day the patch goes live

when you send the first droptimizer sim

[old lily]

i imaigne raidbots gets a huge influx in people paying for premium when new tiers launch

[royal lantern]

you just leech the premium acc of a random guy for 7years

[old lily]

[analog field]

Is there any point of buying a Mythic HOC with the chips ? I mean for next season is there a reason that it could be better than signet ?

[earnest remnant]

early on with shifting stats

it will fuck with signet

[analog field]

yeah i thought something like this could happen ok ty

[jade abyss]

You mate are a true Rogue

[royal lantern]

i dont even know how it is

asked a friend if he has a premium acc, he said "im using the acc of a guildmate, thats the name and password"

[jade abyss]

Okay maybe he is the rogue

[subtle tundra]

yeah if you know who owns the account of the raidbots you use, youre privelaged

privilaged?

idk

raidbot accounts are the literally whores

i look at the history of sims and see so many ppl

[golden loom]

Just like your mother...

Okay too far sorry!!!

[subtle tundra]

just like my ass

Okay too far sorry!!!

[golden loom]

[indigo mulch]

[crimson zephyr]

so with lvl18 we get cut to the chase but we won't have envenom until lvl22? nice?

[subtle tundra]

yes trees while leveling have a fuckload of stupid things like that

[jaunty sky]

Enhance's lvl 11 talent requires lvl 12 to be active

[sharp viper]

small indie company

https://tenor.com/view/xinging-xinging-monkey-monkey-monkey-speech-xinging-speech-bubble-gif-17417339258175886022

[slim hamlet]

I miss my mastery box from dragonflight

I love channeling a trinket mid opener

[normal mist]

Wait I got something for you

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1232770176571805697/puzzlebox.gif

[slim hamlet]

Yea I was trying to find it xd

anything but the Dathea trinket

even as rogue with shadowstep during it that trinket was a menace

[main bridge]

puzzle box was one of the worst trinkets ever

[slim hamlet]

I liked it. You channel for a bit and then feel giga powerful

Was more despair for m+

[analog field]

Guys any ideas why for patchwerk the robot suggests the rik neck (like 0.6 increase) but for dungeon slice it's like 0..2 worse, when it gives 6k haste and1k crit ?

[normal mist]

Because it did the maths

We don't think about it

[analog field]

yeah i am asking that isn't it weird that i already have 13k haste and it asks for more for ST while for m+ not ?

[normal mist]

Yeah seems reasonable

[slim hamlet]

Isnt haste less valuable in aoe where you have infinite energy?

[normal mist]

It's good in the bleed build but still

[analog field]

ok just checking maybe i wasn't understanding something. I fully trust the robot, i worship it every night

[orchid pewter]

Haste less value in aoe

[normal mist]

Same

[orchid pewter]

Just what it is

[slim hamlet]

How long until someone makes AI dating robot for simcraft robot

[main bridge]

[jaunty sky]

Go check character.ai or whatever that site was called

[shell crater]

So now that we’re in the final week before patch is there any spec that’s standing above the rest atm?

[spice surge]

Frost DK

[hoary remnant]

MM hunter, FDK, Arcane and Sleeper OP Shadow

[spice surge]

But for rogue specifically its probably sub, but not ahead by a massive amount

[inner swift]

assa overall is solid aswell but st is tank level

so

[hoary remnant]

you need funnel or sth gripped into the boss

[inner swift]

that aint gonna cut it tho

what about raid

its like you are 2m behind

XD

[silver otter]

ST even with an ST build is that bad ? 😐

I was going for sin next tier

[sacred schooner]

as good as tank

[spice surge]

Well nah with raid talents you'll do fine ST

[sacred schooner]

ah i get it wrong, if it is raid boss with st build assa is fine yeah

if its m+ assa st as good as tank

[deft shard]

No patch dropped?

[bronze marsh]

there is no patch in Ba Sing Se

[inner swift]

correct me if i'm wrong but i think you are wrong XD

[fringe spear]

its not even 7am blizz time yet

Even if they do drop a patch today it won't be for hours

[deft shard]

Ahok on m'y country its 3 pm

[shell crater]

Okay let me rephrase. I meant rogue specs 😂

[royal lantern]

why should eleem be wrong

[drifting cloud]

because hollow saw a tier list

or the simc chart

[normal mist]

Idk how you have the will power to ask about this every other day

You must really be a curious person

[deft shard]

I think its good to bé bottom start of season we will get buff and bé middle tier

Or top tier

[fallow canopy]

I love ptr season

[normal mist]

I don't

[fallow canopy]

[royal lantern]

i love you

[kindred oriole]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[royal lantern]

[normal mist]

I fucking love you too

My sweetiepie

[placid sparrow]

new here so i could be missing it , is there anywhere in this discord that has WA's, or specifically I'm looking for a WA that isn't a whole pack where i can track my garrote and rupture on like a boss , i feel like I'm over applying both bleeds

[shell crater]

I have no idea what you’re talking about 😉 every other week maybe lol

I am an indecisive knob I’ll give you that lol

[normal mist]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[kindred oriole]

May I ask a question without triggering the ire of the rogue community? I'm looking at the preliminary sims, and it seems to me that Fatebound is best in single target, yet, I have a feeling no one will ever play it. What am I missing? Why is the Fatebound sim so far ahead?

[royal lantern]

how many fights are pure ST

[kindred oriole]

Thank you.

😛

[royal lantern]

in like, the last 10years

[kindred oriole]

#pwned

[royal lantern]

fatebound literally self nerfs when more then 1 target exists

[spice surge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1083360651394678784/1399744062554112000/image.png?ex=688ac57e&is=688973fe&hm=0d700b9869dd6fa24ad7138d747c4e51f79290ba8d7deac68f39fa907e52ac31&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=640&height=126

Fatebound tier set

[royal lantern]

yeha, that aswell

[spice surge]

But for some reason kingsbane flipping the coins is STILL better than deathstalkers tier

[royal lantern]

its absolutely non functional

[kindred oriole]

Ok but like, in theory, if there was a purely single target fight, we would switch? Or no one cares?

[orchid cedar]

is there any results for dps of the raid anywhere?

[spice surge]

Go check how many fatebound logs there are on sprocketmonger

[royal lantern]

people switch, realise that its the fucking coinflip tree and then stop

[kindred oriole]

I am now convinced.

Thanks thanks!

[spice surge]

Its also not far ahead, even on sims

[shy axle]

2p deathstalker is good, 4p is the bad one mentioned right?

[spice surge]

Both are weak

[shy axle]

ok

ty

[spice surge]

Combined the tier is worth like 10%

Whereas some sets like trickster sub is 30%

[golden loom]

DS needs some numbers changed while fatebound needs jesus

[shy axle]

sub set nerf in week 1 inc again then i guess

[spice surge]

Theres some sets that are way better than subs

[orchid pewter]

-25% on sectech

[shy axle]

suggesting there are sets better than sub ????? 10% aura nerf for sub

yeah sets seem to be all over the place right now, i hope they will tune them again

[inner swift]

wrong D:

[vocal cradle]

Even if DS set is buns it's really the only viable option for us right? Like fatebound is cheeks?

[spice surge]

Fatebound is unplayable whenever theres more than 1 target yes

[vocal cradle]

Y'all thinking assa gonna be the prog spec or is it gonna be like the last 2 raids sub into assa lol

[royal lantern]

last 2?

you mean last 6

[spice surge]

Theyre gonna be playing sub in rwf and then theyll giga buff assa and most people will play assa

[vocal cradle]

I only played rogue this xpac lol

[royal lantern]

"sub for the people where spec choice matters, then assa gets buffed and nobody plays sub anymore because its a spec almost nobody likes" is the circle since SL

[indigo mulch]

I mean for us normies thats not in rwf, ds is fine D;

[whole snow]

hello roguers

anyone on ptr rn that can tell me if the extra cape proc effect got removed from the leather boots

[chrome mirage]

Was there last night when I played.

[hard river]

it broke in sims, add the 13504 bonus_id to the booties

if that's where this question came from

[whole snow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1384931633978933318/1400131994674790511/image.png?ex=688b8608&is=688a3488&hm=84fec77acb90ff9f2fed47a9aa7b7615207bcba35d6946be7cd91aeb86b1d942&

Like it’s literally gone on the plate boots

[hard river]

hm, i know they did something where the effect is weaker at lower item levels

not sure if they broke existing items or something

[whole snow]

Hmmmmm maybe

[sharp viper]

it was still there when I checked the items on PTR 3 hours ago

50%

[slim hamlet]

Anyone happen to know what addon makes the small buffs to the left of the frame. I never had this before, its not a weakaura and not plater. My elvui has nameplates disabled

I am going insane trying to find out

[whole snow]

allegedly it is gone from the actual items

but still shows up in the dungeon journal @sharp viper

[earnest remnant]

can be littlewigs

[slim hamlet]

I just checked but idk if I am just blind, couldnt find anything about it

[earnest remnant]

u can prolly find it inside of bigwigs itself

[slim hamlet]

oh yea it was

epic

Was just blind, looked for something with "buffs" or "icons" but it literally has nameplates :^)

[sharp viper]

just checked and I can back up those claims, the effect is gone but now has avoidance on it, raid journal still has the old effect in the tool tip

[whole snow]

hmmmmmmmmm

they either broke the effect while trying to fix the bugs

or they are intentionally removing it

would prefer the latter tbh

[hearty seal]

ye same

tbh with the latest buffs to cloak effects it might be an intentional removal

[fringe spear]

they just intentionally fixed a bug with it and made it scale with tier

like upgrade track i mean

lfr = 20%, 30%, 40%, 50% = mythic

they probably just forgot to add the bonus id

with the change

[golden loom]

Removing the effect AND having the boss as optional would be weird af

Like you would never do it

[marsh fjord]

If the boss wouldnt drop the boots why would you even still do it 😄

If you want to get CE do you need to kill all the bosses? or is the optional boss also required?

or was the achievement only last boss required

I remember back in the day you needed to kill all the bosses to get the achievement

[red schooner]

Okay, 3k obtained, back to not touching m+

[spice spire]

Mister goat

Why did it take you so long to 3k

Ik ur a gamer

[rugged fable]

3k in 07/25 bruh

👴🏻

[red schooner]

Because I've been sat at 2987 for 2 and a half months but I fucking hate m+

[rugged fable]

xdd

[red schooner]

So like, I could have done it, I just lacked the willpower

[spice spire]

Mf got ce before

[rugged fable]

what was 3k? all 13s?

i dont remember

[red schooner]

2 13s rest 12s for me

[spice spire]

Half 12s half 13s

[rugged fable]

ah okay

[spice spire]

Or depending timing

Yeah

[rugged fable]

well is not bad

[spice spire]

This is when you get quakewar to tank your keys

(I haven’t touched WoW in two months)

Well that’s a lie

[red schooner]

It was easy I just really lacked the motivation to touch m+ after maxxing out my gear

[spice spire]

I did some mount farming

[rugged fable]

is hard when someone is not playing for personal rio and competition, u just stop playing after some time

and more if u max ur ilvl

[red schooner]

I just do m+ at the start of the season to avoid my raid leader hitting me

As soon as I don't need it I don't touch it

[rugged fable]

at our guild we had a healer that was 658 in may-june

he only came to raid

[hoary remnant]

I think removing the effect of the boots is a really good idea since the stats are not good for every class/Spec but still need to wear them

[fallow canopy]

relatable

[pure moth]

When gilded was uncapped .. we still barely had a couple even get 1k crests all season

[red schooner]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/news/eu/the-cooldown-manager-and-future-updates-world-of-warcraft-blizzard-news-24226697 This looks like a decent step in the right direction

[static glacier]

for sure, my only gripe is that perhaps dev time could be better used elsewhere

[golden loom]

I mean if addons actually get pruned

this is the best thing they could focus on

[static glacier]

tbh i think they should give up

replicating wa with their inhouse version is a lot of time for no real improvement

its a sidegrade

[golden loom]

I mean if they legit had what weakauras are baseline

that would be a insane upgrade what

[maiden sierra]

Too bad the community opinion on this feature is already made and no amount of changes will change their mind

Until blizz deletes weakauras

[slim hamlet]

Doubt

the top streamers will say its epic and then everyone will agree

it does look great. if it wasnt for me just spending forever making weakauras after coming back I would have used that

[flat pier]

https://tenor.com/view/jo-jo-jjba-anime-josuke-part4-gif-21355734

Blizz need to make fights that dont need WA's then because these dudes will add some bullshit

[midnight atlas]

let them cook

[brave comet]

applied to a mythic raid thats missing only a tank with "rogue tank"

and i got invited

[kindred breach]

Those evades and feint about to go brrrr

[dusk crane]

is sin looking stronger for m+ next season or outlaw?

[slim hamlet]

depends who gets the 20% aura buff next week

[pliant remnant]

Depends who gets 20%, and who gets the 10%

[slim hamlet]

Thats optimistic

[pliant remnant]

[marsh fjord]

what day do they normally tune at

[flat pier]

Sin will get 10% nerf next week

[slim hamlet]

no

[flat pier]

yeah huh

[marsh fjord]

if sin gets nerfed you will get 10 million gold from me

[slim hamlet]

that happens after we get buffed, turn into prime PI target, then nerfed 3 times in 3 weeks after raid release

[flat pier]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-gif-14665964756427917240

bet

[marsh fjord]

if you think that happens you have a delusion level i never seen

if we get nerfed we are below tank damage

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/drive-gosling-i-drive-nightcall-gif-6272351900556304946

[flat pier]

Get ready to pay up

[marsh fjord]

what am i getting if we get buffed

[flat pier]

Are you NA or EU ? Because i want my gold free of tariffs

[flat pier]

Foot pics ?

[marsh fjord]

Iewlll

[slim hamlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064999316051198025/1296612075606638682/lmfao.gif

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-suck-sucker-sucking-gif-13638182052461067209

[flat pier]

https://tenor.com/view/macho-man-bonesaw-oooh-yeah-spiderman-gif-13421609

Got anymore of those Xally taff foot gifs ?

[slim hamlet]

google is free my friend

[royal lantern]

in the UK not anymore

[slim hamlet]

True

let me compile a 1TB zip file

Why does deathstalker just not work 30% of the time

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/every-time-60percent-60percent-of-the-time-it-works-every-time-anchorman-gif-4630682

[slim hamlet]

is it just ultra bugged or what

[haughty flicker]

Well it is a rogue feature

In raid I don't normally have many issues though

[slim hamlet]

nah I am just doing timewalking dungeons

and like 50% of the time it just doesnt apply

I heard there were some bug with if you had the capstone buff and applied a new mark from stealth it was fucked?

[shy creek]

Yeah theres a few bugs with the application of deathstalker's mark

When things die really fast, it tends to bug out frequently

[brave comet]

when do you guys use your cooldowns on stix?

[flat pier]

first boss in TOP is a nice bug 😄 kill one boss and it stays on that dead one

[brave comet]

i just checked lorrgs and its a complete mess

[spice spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064999316051198025/1296612075606638682/lmfao.gif

[shy creek]

That one pisses me off beyond belief

Every once in a while I forget about it and im just like fuck man

[shy creek]

You can check loorgs, theres some insane parse monkey shit you can do on it but its highly reliant on not getting a ball

[marsh fjord]

Start and then delay 2 kingsbane to next deathmark.

[brave comet]

you mean delay the second kingsbane to the second deathmark and then its prob normal again right?

[marsh fjord]

Yeah because he goes up in the air after 1 minut or so

[brave comet]

gotcha

[slim hamlet]

Makes sense in timewalking then, it felt like I was going insane it just never worked

[shy creek]

Nah its not just you, it just happens a lot when things are dying that fast

[haughty flicker]

Yeah it doesn't always reset properly

Also breaks if you kill anything with a darkest night envenom

[slim hamlet]

probably was that too

assa literally oneshots packs in timewalking with sudden demise

[haughty flicker]

Which they fixed at one point then broke and never bothered fixing again

[slim hamlet]

good to see sudden demise proccing too early still

[marsh fjord]

Not gonna lie hanging out in this discord sometimes makes you depressed if you play rogue

[slim hamlet]

could have ended it after "depressed"

[haughty flicker]

That's every class discord don't worry

Even the main characters like mages will gaslight you into thinking everything sucks if you hang out too often

[slim hamlet]

One place I never saw doom was spriest and disc priest disc

[shy creek]

I come here to answr whatever question I see then ignore it

If you talk too much actual rogue in here, it just gets too doomer

[haughty flicker]

Never ask a disc priest what they do in a holy priest tier

[shy creek]

Play game hit button

[slim hamlet]

"holy priest tier"

sure buddy

[haughty flicker]

Any time now

Trust

[slim hamlet]

I saw some youtube tier list with holy over disc

so its confirmed

[flat pier]

https://tenor.com/view/done-gun-to-head-wonder-test-gun-gif-12731816

You think we will get some nice mog thats not on the store soon ?

[slim hamlet]

yooo

I just for the first time noticed the deathstalker mark visual

[shy creek]

If you think store mog is cool to begin with, you have a different issue

[slim hamlet]

if it was like 5x bigger it would be pretty cool actually

[shy creek]

You can do this with plater

[slim hamlet]

huh

I mean the actual animation

[flat pier]

needs to be bigger !

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[slim hamlet]

Yea

It is nice detail but literally didnt even know it existed until multiple hours of gameplay

[spice spire]

Skill issue one might say

[slim hamlet]

[somber sparrow]

what if everything visually desaturates and chromatically blurs except for the deathstalker's marked target. you're just intensely focused on that one person

[sand aurora]

guys do i rupture at full cp or no?

[haughty flicker]

Huge

[sand aurora]

or is it 5 and above

[haughty flicker]

5+

[slim hamlet]

Screen should go black and white when in shadow dance

[sand aurora]

same with CT?

[haughty flicker]

Yes

[sand aurora]

cool thanks

[odd crater]

blizzard dont want fix coldblood for assa ?

[slim hamlet]

whats problem?

[scarlet orbit]

CB doesnt goes on cd when used but after the hits are used. Which desync all the stuff with the new tset

[spice surge]

💀 Fatebound 💀

[coral ibex]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24226697

native cd manager getting less bad

lots of features it should have are coming it seems

[red schooner]

Just need a debuff tracker and I'll use it instead of the WA package

Unless its already mentioned in there and I can't read

[covert nymph]

it is

[slim hamlet]

It looks good enough to use instead of like your typical weakaura bars

now they need to make plater

[red schooner]

I normally have my cat read for me, I'll tell her to do a better job.

[slim hamlet]

wait

you guys actually read it and didnt just look at the pics?

[covert nymph]

I scim

[coral ibex]

you scimitar?

me dagger

[red schooner]

Is there also a buff tracker? If there's a buff tracker as well then oh boy we're cooking.

[slim hamlet]

yur

[red schooner]

So long luxthos, you served me well

[coral ibex]

yea its really nice

[slim hamlet]

When I downloaded wow again like 2 weeks ago I saw the cooldown manager

[coral ibex]

if they can get a native plater with this kind of functionality i might be sold tbh

[slim hamlet]

and got hyped, insta sent it to my brother

then went to edit it, realized I couldnt edit it

[warm vortex]

Haha as if blizzard gives a single fuck about rogue hero trees and making them interesting

[slim hamlet]

actually crazy to release it uneditable

[normal mist]

Hehe, a single fun

https://tenor.com/view/reddit-evil-hehe-gif-3562526

[warm vortex]

I'm very tired

[normal mist]

I'm Royal, pleasure to meet you

[scarlet orbit]

Pretty sure there is a addon/wa which makes it editable

[flat pier]

Just got my CE in the nick of time

[normal mist]

Print screen so we can react cool things to it

[slim hamlet]

Yea I saw

but what is even the point then xd

[slim hamlet]

Gratz gamer

[flat pier]

I ofc did not get the mount so if anyone wants to help mass report

[spice spire]

Nick of time isn’t obtainable this patch big dog. But congrats on CE

[red schooner]

Congrats!

[slim hamlet]

wait

oh nvm I just got ptsd

thought for a second nick of time was tazavesh coming again next patch

[normal mist]

It's not from taza:3

[slim hamlet]

yea I remember

I remember because I got it from max vault first week

[normal mist]

Like you should

[brave comet]

can someone explain to me why people that tank stix have to do it in the fire? do the melee need to kill themselves to hit the boss?

[normal mist]

Yes

It's a new rule

[slim hamlet]

sounds like a healer mechanic

[hexed frost]

One more reset to go and no assa talent changes

At this rate even my grand children will be running the same talents and playing the same rotation

[normal mist]

Makes it easier for you to teach them

[golden loom]

well atleast a 89 parse on gally but boss died just as 2nd intermission ads came out and I only did 177m spatter damage...

[brave comet]

thats absolutely fucking cursed

jesus

[golden loom]

add damage

[red schooner]

Just do what we did and somehow have our reclear take longer than our first kill.

[brave comet]

are those ele shamans?

[golden loom]

yeah

[brave comet]

ye GG

[golden loom]

and our giga ret somehow died at one point so would've been worse

[brave comet]

getting parses on that boss is dependent on your team sucking

it feels so bad

[flat pier]

Anything nice from S3 M+ ?

[golden loom]

this was the add damage for the entire night (took 9 pulls) @brave comet

[ebon glade]

is caustic spatter bugged ?

[golden loom]

in what sense

[ebon glade]

for some reason it dont work

[brave comet]

have you appliedd deadly poisons?

[golden loom]

Got rupture on the target? got poisons on? mutilate the target with poison + rupture on?

got it talented? (dumb question but u never know :D)

[ebon glade]

yes and yes lol

[grave osprey]

I can assure you it works

[royal lantern]

whats bugged?

[scarlet orbit]

We had a case where someone had a wrong keybind on his not stealth bar so he didnt mutilate and threw knives instead

[final star]

or you're accidentally not talented into it

and it's showing caustic but not actually swapped

such as entering combat whilst changing talents

[ebon glade]

not sure what is really wrong

[golden loom]

could you take a screenshot or something when ur at a dummy

[warm vortex]

Imma spatter everywhere

[ebon glade]

lol

[brave comet]

can we get a picture of your buff bar?

[spice surge]

You probably dont have deadly poison on

[brave comet]

screenshot your buff bar

[ebon glade]

I have it

[scarlet orbit]

Not sure if its just cropped out but where is mutilate on the dmg brakedown? Did you stand along time afk for the dummys so melee got so high?

[umbral pond]

Are u using mutilate?

[ebon glade]

just reapplied

btw that was from a key not dummies guys

[scarlet orbit]

Did someone log by any chance?

[dusk fox]

You asking for live? If so it wasn’t bugged for me.

[ebon glade]

I have 442 mutilate hits

sadly no log

I will relog I dont know whats going on here lol

[spice surge]

Well its not bugged, so youre not fulfilling either of the precursors for applying spatter.

So youre not mutilating a target with deadly poison and rupture active

[ebon glade]

I did Eleem not new to the spec

[dusk fox]

Go try on a target dummy right now

[golden loom]

I feel like deadly poison should be on your damage breakdown

[dusk fox]

Yeah I agree

[ebon glade]

its there 😛

thats why im like whats going on lol

[brave comet]

your melee cant be higher than deadly poison

[ebon glade]

will try now

[brave comet]

youre missing all poisons on your meter

thats literally impossible

unless you dont have them applied

[ebon glade]

now its working !

[worn badger]

any one manage underpin?? on sin rogue ? if so what talents

[haughty flicker]

Just use raid talents

With ib instead of cs

[spice surge]

90% of the fight is kicking bombs anyway

[haughty flicker]

And hit boss until he dies while kicking bombas

With early season gear his shield healing him was possible if you weren't careful but nowadays it's basically impossible

So you only lose if adds stack up

[rigid tartan]

And don’t even try to run across the edge. I’ve found the add spawns are more easy and manageable if you keep to middle arena area

[haughty flicker]

Idk it was pretty easy for me to just run around the outside edge

[rigid tartan]

Easier to dodge and hit adds with the bombs, the adds even spawned closer together for me

[haughty flicker]

But others have said they had issues

[grim hornet]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[fathom nimbus]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[normal mist]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/trinket-hotfixes-on-patch-11-2-ptr-377944?utm_source=discord-webhook

Is this it?

The moment?

(probably not)

[zenith elm]

Oh yes

the famous no trinket important hotfix

[marsh fjord]

Are those raid trinkets

[zenith elm]

Nope

delve trinket

[marsh fjord]

wtf

[zenith elm]

Yes

i dont understand xD

[feral basin]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[marsh fjord]

honestly they gotta push back the patch atleast a month

[zenith elm]

Please no

i already got my holidays picked

[balmy condor]

Crazy how they’re tuning the unimportant trinkets

[zenith elm]

YES

[balmy condor]

Instead of actually tuning the ones that have issues

[zenith elm]

i was hyped, for nothing

[normal mist]

Same

[main bridge]

They’re replacing the problematic trinkets with new ones from The Maw that you have to farm from rares

[zenith elm]

can we get a pin for trinket hotfix ? seems important

[thorn thorn]

168% is a perfectly normal, reasonable number

Yeppers

[balmy condor]

Yep

Fine-tuning the patch

[thorn thorn]

Just like our cloak

Just minor changes really

[royal lantern]

oh they do that 2 weeks after release

[buoyant herald]

After you’ve selected it from your vault 👹

[marsh fjord]

with lower diff the cantrip is also lower

very interesting

[humble verge]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/huge-updates-to-cooldown-manager-coming-soon-sound-external-and-debuff-tracking-377939 looks like they might make it okay-ish

[haughty flicker]

its heading in the right direction at least

[raw marlin]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-wants-players-to-remember-the-wow-token-is-the-only-safe-way-to-buy-377946?utm_source=discord-webhook

can you lot stop buying gold

[serene mason]

still no Resource Tracking like CPs and Energy..

that would be a dealbreaker

and no i dont want it below my playerframe

they know so many player use class weakauras for a reason 😄 why not copy paste it?

[haughty flicker]

they already have the personal resource display so idk if they would care to add them to this

granted personal resource display sucks ass

[serene mason]

we will see... maybe in the future

[subtle crown]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[humble verge]

i love that they are just doing 20 keys already on ptr

[haughty flicker]

lmao

+30 next season lets go

we finally back

[runic hinge]

No

[acoustic sky]

we have a gangster here

[balmy condor]

Doing ptr keys at all is diabolical

[acoustic sky]

why tho

[thorn thorn]

Gotta test stuff in keys

So it can still release bugged and broken

[inner swift]

do they still use the isle ring and scale it to 723 in dungeons?

[thorn thorn]

Cyrclet is kill next season

[inner swift]

meant the ptr

[balmy condor]

ya

degenerate min-maxing in ptr keys

💀

[acoustic sky]

i mean, those guys only do mm+

[balmy condor]

yeah

but that's not what a test realm is for

[acoustic sky]

like crack addicts

[thorn thorn]

You dont understand whispyr they have to use the time to practice the keys a few weeks before the season

Its not like they will have literal months to io push

[acoustic sky]

[balmy condor]

the season won't be long enough yeah yeah I get you

the dungeons won't change

[thorn thorn]

Yea see you get it

[balmy condor]

for sure

[thorn thorn]

Exactly

[balmy condor]

and the tuning on the specs they're playing won't change either

[vocal cradle]

This is the dumbest thing I ever read
"buy gold from us or get banned" - blizzard

[balmy condor]

and it's not like they're going to fotm reroll to something entirely different

[thorn thorn]

Neither will the trinkets, the tier sets, or any other unforseen modifiers

Its all set in stone

[vocal cradle]

"buy gold from us or get banned" - blizzard

[balmy condor]

yah

I mean, yes?

[acoustic sky]

another gangster

[balmy condor]

that's how kind of everything works

[thorn thorn]

It is very literally against TOS to buy gold for real money not from blizzard

Funny how that works

[vocal cradle]

I ain't ever been caught

[runic hinge]

Just reported you

[vocal cradle]

In B4 ban hammer lmao

[balmy condor]

and that makes it better or what

"I've been running red lights all my life and never had an issue, what's the big deal"

[thorn thorn]

Criminal mentality

"I havent been caught doing it so clearly its not that bad"

Clown talk tbh

[vocal cradle]

It would have been better in my opinion if they just left out the buy gold from them part

[balmy condor]

because what

[thorn thorn]

Not really though

[runic hinge]

They’re just giving you an alternative to committing crime

[balmy condor]

like they leave out the buy gold from them part

[vocal cradle]

Then they are just reinforcing their tos

[balmy condor]

and your wowhead commenter looking ahh would still be doing this

[thorn thorn]

Again its very literally against wow TOS to buy gold or other kinds of services for real money

Thats also why Azralon recently had a mega purge since there was a lot of rmt happening there

[humble verge]

yoda in that tavasezh dung or w/e

[still steppe]

@vocal cradle have u tried going to pick pocket mobs in BRD? its pretty good gold/h

[humble verge]

or atleast was

[buoyant herald]

I’ve made like 6m gold just crafting for people while waiting on groups to fill

[humble verge]

6m

on tips?

[buoyant herald]

You can make crazy gold from tips just crafting for a few hours on patch releases

[humble verge]

how much are people tipping you wtf

[thorn thorn]

On the topic of this, someone I know thinks that M+ dungeons for the entire xpac shouldnt rotate and should just be the 8 from the xpac the whole duration of it

[buoyant herald]

Mixture of tips and resourcefulness procs for mats to sell

Biggest tip was 50k

Had a couple of 20ks, a handful of 10s

[balmy condor]

and they're saying that because.......

[buoyant herald]

Mostly people tip 2-5k when the season is active

[uncut barn]

This was not fun when this was how it worked

[thorn thorn]

Because they are an idiot or something ig idk

[balmy condor]

nice

[still steppe]

insert shadowlands

[thorn thorn]

They dont like when it changes

[still steppe]

i wanted to neck myself during SL

[thorn thorn]

I know its a terrible idea

But this person is not known for their good takes ngl

[still steppe]

is this person kyle?

[thorn thorn]

[thorn thorn]

How did you know

[balmy condor]

I love guide writing

[fringe spear]

Looks very difficult

Keeping up with all the new stuff that happens every season

[balmy condor]

the most difficult part is finding the will to fucking do it

[thorn thorn]

Dont cramp your hands writing in all the changes Sin got in 11.2

[ruby oar]

Can someone say to us if the rogue designer stills works on blizzard? Asking for a friend..

[balmy condor]

"the rogue designer"

[acoustic sky]

[balmy condor]

yes, the one guy

that designs rogues

and nothing else

[ruby oar]

Aaah if he was fired we have high hopes for the future

[acoustic sky]

the entire team was laid off

[balmy condor]

damn, the double whiplash

[random fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-gun-reloading-gif-18576573

[ruby oar]

Nice because in the last two expansions they fucked up by a lot 😂

[balmy condor]

most people would highly disagree with you

[ruby oar]

Hm hm that’s why so many people play rogue eheheh

[balmy condor]

rogue play rate has been bad since classic

get the fuck out of here you sewer rat troll

[humble verge]

idk like

nobody plays rogue

[random fossil]

rogue bis

[humble verge]

but 2 season in a row

it has been quite relevant in m+

[main bridge]

do not feed

[ruby oar]

I’m not trolling, I play rogue since vanilla..

[main bridge]

everything they have said has been rage bait

[ruby oar]

I really love the class but don’t think that blizzard is doing a good work atm

[humble verge]

cant be ragebait when i dont see the rage or the bait

[balmy condor]

[humble verge]

just be unknowing

lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[balmy condor]

specs are the healthiest they've been in years

play rate hit a peak at the end of dragonflight

we're just vibedooming

I love it

[tawdry flare]

Gonna come in with a hot one and say Rogue is fun. All rogue. Any rogue. Rogue all day.

[hearty seal]

to be fair
this might be taken in two ways

[balmy condor]

how brave

[balmy condor]

wdym

[tawdry flare]

Healthy is the new dying, Whispyr

[lean plover]

healthy people die too, duh

[balmy condor]

[hearty seal]

"healthiest in years" doesn't have to mean "doing well", just "better than it used to be", which might be a high or a low bar

I don't really have a frame of reference tbh

[balmy condor]

it's obviously a good thing

[random fossil]

bro the name of this emoji is so mean

[tawdry flare]

I think given the context - anyone saying healthiest in years, would also just say "at least it's not dog shit" if that's what they meant.

[fallow canopy]

healthy = good, good = bad

[lean plover]

better than its been in years isnt something good?

me confused

[balmy condor]

its an ugly ass dog though

[hearty seal]

well ye
"we know it can be worse, it HAD been worse" is the low bar

[balmy condor]

your brain works in mysterious ways im ngl

[coral ibex]

is it not exhausting to just be so doompilled about a game you spend so much time playing

[tawdry flare]

Guys, is it unhealthy to clear the bar?

[pure moth]

Depends what kind of bar..

[balmy condor]

"it's the best its been in years" -> it used to be worse -> so it's not good

is like

actually insane thought process

[fallow canopy]

[tawdry flare]

I'll leave it your imagination, my friend.

[hearty seal]

look it's very simple
"healthiest in years"
can be said about someone who's been average and steadily improving above tht
or about someone who's been at their lowest and is still below average but much better than before

[balmy condor]

but

that's not the fucking point

the point is that it's gotten better

[random fossil]

vibedoommaxxing

[tawdry flare]

I'm being gaslit live on television. Good = Good, Good =/= It could be better

[balmy condor]

the claim originally was that it's gotten worse in the last couple years

and I said it's the best its been in the last couple years

it's a direct refutation not a logical origami

what the hell are we doing here

[tawdry flare]

No no. You said reroll. It's ass. Delete the class. (Okay /s if it's not painfully obvious)

[coral ibex]

yea but i dont enjoy the spec as much anymore because the honeymoon period of being fully infatuated by world of warcraft is over and now i can only think critically about the spec to chase the feeling i had in the past

[hearty seal]

tbh I'm not even dismissing the idea that things are good
ah well, arguing semantics on the internet is the proper 6 am activity anyway

[balmy condor]

[maiden sierra]

[balmy condor]

the other guy was supposed to be the sweaty ragebait not you

[tawdry flare]

Too real. Get out of my head.

[balmy condor]

actual ragebait train getting ran on me atm that's crazy

[maiden sierra]

god this place never misses when it comes to mental gymnastics in ragebait psychology

[coral ibex]

sorry did i tilt the mirror too accurate back at him?

[lean plover]

ragebaiting whispyr is olympic sport here

we need a leaderbord

[hearty seal]

the other guy doesn't have it figured out that you can't just waltz in and drop "shit's fucked, amirite?"
anyway I don't have a frame of reference good enough to argue anything but semantics, which means I lose by default

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-duck-gif-1363576254939741235

[tawdry flare]

This is God tier

[balmy condor]

well regardless of semantics you came in with a hypothetical situation of someone who could've found a way to misinterpret something even though no one actually did

so thats kinda weird

but ye

[tawdry flare]

Introverts overthinking a positive statement - say it ain't so.

[hearty seal]

look if I wasn't into overthinking
why would I be playing Rogue

[balmy condor]

I had to remind myself what this was about

of course it was thistle tea

OF COURSE it was

[thorn thorn]

lmao

[maiden sierra]

[lean plover]

lmfao delaying kb for tea

[uncut barn]

I'm new to rogue why is everyone saying it's horrible to play all three specs seem very fun

[runic hinge]

I got a different train I’d like to run on you

[uncut barn]

Like I get they're not very strong atm but the gameplay seems good

[runic hinge]

Haha

[balmy condor]

the internet

[uncut barn]

I see

[pliant remnant]

Does playing World of Warcraft seem fun to you?

If yes, you're wrong

because the internet has told me it's unredeemable dogshit

[uncut barn]

Trvthnvke

[onyx scroll]

wait we are supposed to be having fun doing this?

[balmy condor]

classic is bad and lazy and you shouldn't enjoy it

but retail is also bad

and blizzard doesn't make good content anymore and it's all downhill

[pliant remnant]

it's all just bad

[balmy condor]

and also the playrate of rogue bad

[pliant remnant]

can't wait for season 3 though

season 3 hype season 3 hype

[buoyant herald]

Also the rogue dev quit

[balmy condor]

but it's one of the most played in higher end m+

except when it's not

[buoyant herald]

Don’t forget that one

[balmy condor]

yeah

[pliant remnant]

yeah

[balmy condor]

the singular rogue dev

[thorn thorn]

Vibedooming is now my favorite phrase

[pliant remnant]

The one guy working on rogue by himself

just up and left one day

and Blizzard was just like "well shit"

[buoyant herald]

Yeah in his rogue office

[pliant remnant]

and it's been "well shit" for, what, like a year now?

Oh well

[buoyant herald]

He just stopped coming in

But no one has noticed at blizz

[balmy condor]

there goes the only guy that could've worked on rogue

[buoyant herald]

Because he’s so stealthy by nature usually

[balmy condor]

we'd open up a hiring position for "rogue designer" but we only have "class designer" positions

[pliant remnant]

The Hero talent trees were done by him before he left

[balmy condor]

we're cooked

[pliant remnant]

like a posthumous album release

[buoyant herald]

I miss John Rogueson

[thorn thorn]

Its me, im the guy who used to work on rogue, im gonna let you in on a little secret about the future of the spec

Blizzard may sue me for this one

In midnight Rogue will use energy and combo points

Hope thats exciting news

[pliant remnant]

Are you removing Caustic Spatter?

[balmy condor]

blizzard rogueson himself

[buoyant herald]

Did you get fired because they wouldn’t let you delete CS

[lean plover]

what do u mean by "using energy" tho

like its there

or we manage it

[balmy condor]

mutilate uses 50 energy

[pliant remnant]

Deep Thoughts with Guelina

[balmy condor]

60 with vicious venoms

[thorn thorn]

Metzen told me I couldnt

[hearty seal]

insane design change

[balmy condor]

now that I think about it though, how are we quantifying energy

[thorn thorn]

And also the head class design told me so too

Apparently nobody likes multidotting

[balmy condor]

like why does assassination have twice the energy max

is that like stamina

[pliant remnant]

How are we qualifying energy?

[balmy condor]

why are assa rogues so buff

[lean plover]

energy max is only relevant in the context of energy costs

[royal lantern]

forum/twitter/reddit/whatever says a spec is horrible to play when its not ret paladin, Boomkin or BM hunter

[buoyant herald]

Nah they’re wiry like ultramarathon runners

[royal lantern]

dont forget yelling BUTTON BLOAT 6times aswell

[lean plover]

if you x5 energy max, so 1500, and x5 all energy costs

[thorn thorn]

We wanted Sin to pool with its energy max

[lean plover]

then whats different

[uncut barn]

i dont get this sin really doesnt seem that bad

maybe the other specs have more buttons?

[hearty seal]

baseline regen gets even more irrelevant

[runic hinge]

@balmy condor do you think feral has better energy gameplay than us? Pooling for builders for blood talons and pooling for finishers for extra bite damage

[thorn thorn]

Button bloat is a fake problem that only 3 dps specs in the game have

[royal lantern]

outlaw ye

sub not really

[lean plover]

well i mean u obv x5 energy regen

[balmy condor]

idk I hate feral

[uncut barn]

lol

[runic hinge]

Wow

[balmy condor]

haven't played in forever

[pliant remnant]

Rogue is horrible to play because it's too easy; do you know that BM hunters have to manage Frenzy stacks?

Serious business

[runic hinge]

Just say you hate Shien

[balmy condor]

I hate Shien

[runic hinge]

Lmao

[balmy condor]

now what

[runic hinge]

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-gif-25783770

[thorn thorn]

[pliant remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-wtf-cat-huh-wtf-huh-cat-gif-17450980909222787557

[balmy condor]

idk, feral druid doesn't do it for me, always felt strange

[runic hinge]

I played some feral this morning and it was pretty fun

[balmy condor]

and feral druid players are all demons

[runic hinge]

I enjoy snapshotting tho

[thorn thorn]

in a good or bad way

[runic hinge]

And I did main it every expansion until df

[balmy condor]

I mean one of the big feral names a while back is a gigaracist but ya know

[spice surge]

To me feral feels really good outside of its cds

[hearty seal]

to be entirely honest
I am actually not sure why Sub has Flag and Shadowblades as separate abiliies
they're on the same CD and are clearly meant to never be used separate from one another aside from that Flag is a debuff and SB is a buff, so you can lose Flag by putting it on the wrong target

so that might be a little bit of bloat?

[spice surge]

But when you pop cds it feels bad

[runic hinge]

Makes sense I’m whispyrs sleep paralysis demon

[runic hinge]

Actually so true

[thorn thorn]

Oh.

[lean plover]

bc of convoke or...?

[buoyant herald]

Golly

[runic hinge]

Convoke is part of it but also cause you start ignoring stuff and just shred bite for 15 seconds after convoke

[spice surge]

Ye flag doesnt really make sense they could remove that, but the putting on the wrong target thing is kind of a meme

[glad osprey]

100%

I am a feral main and I don’t struggle nearly as bad with energy as sin

[spice surge]

As long as your flag target lives like 4 seconds it doesnt particularly matter which target you put it on, almost all of the value is from the mastery buff anyway

[glad osprey]

With sin st holyyyy

[balmy condor]

Okay now hold on, what does it mean to “struggle”

[glad osprey]

Starved

[balmy condor]

I fucking hate it here

[royal lantern]

huh??

[thorn thorn]

Everybody lock and load the ! design command

[spice surge]

And what does starved mean

[glad osprey]

I find sin has longer periods of energy starve in st with no cleave

[balmy condor]

🥀

[glad osprey]

being stuck at 0 energy having no buttons to press

at the moment

[hearty seal]

ok but if you have to pool with Feral