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lucid rune
link plater profiles pleaseeee
thorn thorn
I use quaziis profile
spice sentinel
probably sac brood and signet of the priory which will be in rotation for the 8th time bc we keep voting them
thorn thorn
Real as hell
Im not trying to say people are wrong in their opinion based on the dungeon they voted for
I am simply saying if you voted for Ara Kara you are wrong
humble verge
thorn thorn
I voted for dawnbreaker
spice sentinel
theyd definitely have server flare for who voted for floodgate vs arakara
weary spear
lucid rune
can someone link plater profiles?
haughty flicker
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
lucid rune
weeeee
haughty flicker
couple at the bottom, other popular ones are jundies and quaziis
but those two in the command are made with assa in mind specifically
slim hamlet
Does Recuperator work or is it still bugged?
haughty flicker
i think it works now
normal mist
Depends
This season was DH inflated
DH has the AoE silence so iron wire was not really needed
spice surge
You can run it if you want to, but since its a dps loss a lot of people skip out on it
slim hamlet
I literally know nothing about the dungeons (if less than usual can be silenced and such) and meta for TWW, just now looking at stuff since I will play 11.2
Yea just wondered I guess it has to be pretty big dps drop since it used to be a meme to drop it for dmg in dragonflight
But can check with sims myself
slim hamlet
Was also not bleed build then so
spice surge
With bleed build its like 3%, for the cleave build a lot of people run its more like 5-6%
slim hamlet
it doesnt help that the common drop is double shiv
Yea that seemed the best option at first glance which sounds horrendous when you use the shiv capstone
spice surge
Well an extra shiv charge isnt really that many extra shivs
slim hamlet
Nah but can have double shiv for specific moments
Gonna have to play, was just surprised to see it
haughty flicker
i havent missed iw but i also do shitter keys
slim hamlet
I guess also no shadow dance (I actually forgot if shadow dance even gave iron wire tbh)
raw marlin
My dog being gangster assassin.. 100% sin related
slim hamlet
My dog being gangster assassin.. 100% sin related
He looks like you just stole his BIS trinket
normal mist
My dog being gangster assassin.. 100% sin related
"whatever you do, don't look under the carpet"
raw marlin
He looks like you just stole his BIS trinket
The guy is final boss. He has all the trinkets
raw marlin
"whatever you do, don't look under the carpet"
Nah he’d straight up just poop on top of it
hoary remnant
Jundies with a nameplate colouring mod is very naaaiz
raw marlin
And you’ll hope they do and don’t have a great smile haha
normal mist
main bridge
My dog being gangster assassin.. 100% sin related
Really cool color. Never seen that one before
raw marlin
PTR https://wago.io/ddui9Lf9s
This does look great tbh
raw marlin
Really cool color. Never seen that one before
It’s a 0.000000000001% drop chance.
Took me like.. 27 years to grind
runic hinge
it just makes me feel bad inside
thorn thorn
viscid spear
fathom flax
Who’s excited to death stalker assassination version three electric boogalee
worthy rose
how are we feeling about rogues next season
balmy condor
the same as we feel about rogue this season
coral ibex
novel star
look on the bright side
mister?
novel star
have fun
balmy condor
I love world of warcraft!!!!!
novel star
sounds like a blast
buoyant herald
Oh you’re fucked m8
coral ibex
well he gets paid to be the assa guy so
marsh fjord
@balmy condor are you losing it
coral ibex
as long as his employment requires it i would imagine
novel star
ravenholdt was a bad dream
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> are you losing it
yes
marsh fjord
Mabye if we all would lose it they fix rogue
balmy condor
I mean it's kinda whatever at this point, me and fuu will never see eye to eye with his spreadsheet
I've said it's actively harmful since legit shadowlands
but he's allowed to release whatever data he wants
that's his right
so it is what it is
runic hinge
When is max doing calls again? Are you gonna log in from the bowling alley
hallow glade
What is wrong with the sheet
coral ibex
phoning in from behind the lanes was epic
runic hinge
blizzard max?
haughty flicker
blozard mix
balmy condor
What is wrong with the sheet
comparing sims across specs is inherently inaccurate, bis lists are not helpful towards gearing decisions, and PTR sims to begin with are an absolute meme
slim hamlet
ptr tier list
My favourite time of the year
haughty flicker
comparing sims across specs is inherently inaccurate, bis lists are not helpful ...
but now i know what spec to swap to
balmy condor
the argument in favor of the sheet is "more information = people have more access to info = they can make their own decisions"
which is an honorable take
except 99% of people literally cannot think for themselves
and do not understand what they are looking at
and only see number > other number
and number high = good
which is literally just not useful
hallow glade
I always thought of it as “what is the highest possible combination you can get in simc”
slim hamlet
I just like looking at spreadsheet. I also watch almost all ptr tier lists even tho it's a meme
thorn thorn
except 99% of people literally cannot think for themselves
Yes 99% of people just vomit up whatever lies or truths are told to them by reputable members of the community
balmy condor
simcraft has standarized profiles for every spec every tier
if you want the highest possible combination you can get in simc, this already exists
thorn thorn
If tettles and doctor rat nose said tomorrow that oracle disc was F tier because it didnt have direct healing a disturbing percent of the player base would actually drop playing oracle disc and vomit up that same phrase
slim hamlet
Remember how when we were really op in amirdrassil but we simmed the absolute lowest even before nerfs
balmy condor
if you want to theorycraft, those profiles are there
as generic bis to test with
the sheet for that purpose would be entirely redundant at best
it's not about that
like the reason me and fuu don't agree on it
is because his view is that more info = better
and my view is that not helpful info = not helpful
this has been a major tension point between the two of us for legit almost half a decade at this point
thorn thorn
More info is not better it just muddies the water that might have actually useful data
chrome mirage
Idk, I like having it versus not having it.
chrome mirage
slim hamlet
To look at for fun
thorn thorn
What purpose does this extra info have aside from bloat
balmy condor
but what purpose does it serve
chrome mirage
To look at for fun
This
thorn thorn
is that the only reason
balmy condor
yeah okay, and I'm gonna be honest, you looking at the sheet for funsies does not outweigh people drawing incorrect conclusions
hallow glade
For me it’s a quick reference like “roughly how much does sin lose without skyfury in m+”, it doesn’t need to be perfect but it gives me a general idea
thorn thorn
The only reason we endorse production of terrible data just because its "fun" to look at
slim hamlet
Sometimes u just like looking at numbers even if they don't matter. Wouldn't it kinda be same response to the tuning pins you put out? It's numbers that has almost 100% chance to be changed in a week or two anyways. But we still like looking at it
thorn thorn
Yes but we already know they are subject to being change
balmy condor
Sometimes u just like looking at numbers even if they don't matter. Wouldn't it ...
that is ENTIRELY different in fact
you can't be serious
chrome mirage
This is a fun place 
balmy condor
right
slim hamlet
Wait pause
balmy condor
you don't see the difference in a pin summarizing a set of balance changes within a spec, versus a spreadsheet that is a collection of sim dick size measuring?
please say sike
slim hamlet
Wtf do you mean "caustic spatter hater" that's the most goated talent ever
spice surge
Remember how when we were really op in amirdrassil but we simmed the absolute lo...
Part of that was because everything assa had from the rework was bugged with aug and you literally stole all of their damage
Like you legit did 20% more damage on logs the first few weeks if you had 2 augs buffing you
thorn thorn
Like you legit did 20% more damage on logs the first few weeks if you had 2 augs...
BM did the same thing too
Lots of confused auggies wondering why they were gray parsing
Turns out the Sin rogue and BM were stealing their damage
buoyant herald
Did caustic spatter do it
spice surge
Yes
balmy condor
ye
buoyant herald
Is that why you hate it
thorn thorn
you don't see the difference in a pin summarizing a set of balance changes withi...
A collection that changes mind you too
balmy condor
plenty of things stole damage
thorn thorn
Is that why you hate it
No I hate it because its just a lame and unfun way to do aoe damage
It also creates this dynamic that some specs have where if you buff or nerf certain abilities the aoe indirectly benefits or suffers
buoyant herald
You must really hate blade flurry then
thorn thorn
You have no idea
buoyant herald
Hahaha. At least CS is vaguely dynamic with KB etc
balmy condor
haughty flicker
remove caustic so i dont have to even worry about padding on adds because i literally wont damage them
thorn thorn
Link is the worst example of the dynamic I mentioned
buoyant herald
Funny how link gets more chhanges than flurry and Cs combined and doubled
slim hamlet
you don't see the difference in a pin summarizing a set of balance changes withi...
I do see the difference yes. My point was that they are both numbers that doesn't really matter in a week but we like looking at them.
The pins showing actual dmg change is obviously more useful for both potential feedback and to see how builds are doing. Where the sheets I assume are purely for fun while waiting for ptr (tho might be wrong, but never saw anyone that actually played much compare sims between specs seriously).
The comparison in my message was just how they both are numbers that change in a week. I assume the majority of pin checker after tuning is just like "Oh pog +12% we op now surely" idk I am eepy 5am don't hurt me
haughty flicker
actually thinking about it
slim hamlet
Part of that was because everything assa had from the rework was bugged with aug...
Yea and our profile just being insanostyle for some of those bosses. Sims can't really show that
balmy condor
I do see the difference yes. My point was that they are both numbers that doesn'...
and that's fine, but most people will open the sheet and go "oh it's wearing this item, that's bis, I will equip this"
haughty flicker
if they ever removed caustic (assuming no other changes) what would we even do to adds in raid
balmy condor
I guarantee you
haughty flicker
literally nothing right
balmy condor
most people are not just looking at it "for fun"
thorn thorn
if they ever removed caustic (assuming no other changes) what would we even do t...
Fuck all like we did before
balmy condor
like if people just like staring at a spreadsheet that's fine
thorn thorn
You just dot them and move on
balmy condor
my concern is for the people who are actively harmed by the information in it because they cannot parse it properly
and you can argue that it's their fault for not being able to digest sim information properly, but that's kinda not the point
haughty flicker
Fuck all like we did before
yeah very cursed no thank you
thorn thorn
most people are not just looking at it "for fun"
The amount of people wanting sims of Dev and Aug on the ptr to determine what they are gonna main next season based on what is tuned best is way too high
spice surge
Thats what people do for rogues too
balmy condor
I think it's unrealisitic to assume people will try to come to logical, well thought out conclusions based on a sim
that will never change
people want quick answers
slim hamlet
and that's fine, but most people will open the sheet and go "oh it's wearing thi...
Probably if they are not that familiar with simming. But how many is getting their hands on a sheet like that before knowing about sims? I guess it could be shared in guilds and stuff. I am not saying it's harmless and no one will make dumb decisions because of it, but just maybe it's not that bad
balmy condor
and the quick answers provided by the sheet are AT BEST not helpful
and at worst, actively misleading
haughty flicker
Probably if they are not that familiar with simming. But how many is getting the...
the ulria sheet is spread to the moon and back, people who have literally 0 idea what sims are see it
spice surge
Then some people roll outlaw because it sims highest, and then they get upset they wasted their crafted weapon when outlaw is in fact not the best spec
slim hamlet
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1069654180232433724/1398444439780724874...
I am yoinking that
spice surge
Many such cases
balmy condor
Probably if they are not that familiar with simming. But how many is getting the...
we have people literally joining the server, typing !fuu, and then leaving
slim hamlet
we have people literally joining the server, typing !fuu, and then leaving
Yea it's over then
balmy condor
like I don't think you understand
balmy condor
you are the top 1% of sheet readers here
chrome mirage
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
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balmy condor
the vast majority has no fucking clue what they're looking at and just blindly go "oh number higher"
slim hamlet
Something like that might have been my first message in this discord tbh
thorn thorn
You dont understand how dented the majority of the wow playerbase is until you actively deal with them on a frequent basis
slim hamlet
U remember people calling you a sandbag in amirdrassil cuz Sim low but log op?
That was epic
thorn thorn
My first post in this server was a question about a dogshit ability
slim hamlet
Only saw it in amirdrassil
balmy condor
assa overperformed sims in emerald nightmare
slim hamlet
My first post in this server was a question about a dogshit ability
Sepsis was over-hated fr
balmy condor
and people were upset about it back then too
haughty flicker
my first post was complaining about a trinket not dropping
then i moved on to transmog
based
slim hamlet
Lemme ser what mine actually was
vale shore
Sepsis isn't worth hating while Shadowheart is still in our talent tree
marsh fjord
Dont mind me asking this: im totally new to this. but how does a spec over perform sims? doesnt that mean the sims were not correct then?
chrome mirage
They didn't consult the sheet
balmy condor
Dont mind me asking this: im totally new to this. but how does a spec over perfo...
simulations are inherently that, simulations
they don't reflect actual fights with cleave
or extended execute phases
or moments where bosses take increased damage
etc etc
spice surge
Sometimes things are also bugged in sims, and sometimes theres very hard to spot bugs ingame
That the sims might not reflect
vale shore
or the two priests who dont deconflict their buff and both give it to you...
balmy condor
they also report the median, so people look at like a 3min giga high rolled RNG parse and go "why are they beating sims"
thorn thorn
A patchwork 5m st sim is literally just a "if you hit a regular boss for 5 minutes you can expect this result"
balmy condor
like realisitically, you should be able to beat your sim
marsh fjord
is it me or isnt that super normal?
Sims just take a random ass boss for 5 minutes. if you have a amp phase obv you gonna do more damage then your sim no?
balmy condor
the sim is basically playing correctly on a target and then telling you the 50% parse
if you play slightly incorrectly but just rng like crazy
you should be beating the sims
that's intended
marsh fjord
Yeah i got u. but how can people be that dented lol
thorn thorn
Like I said
balmy condor
well
thorn thorn
You would be surprised how dented people can be
slim hamlet
I legit don't know what my first message means tbh
balmy condor
and some theorycrafters also make their APLs basically TAS
fallow canopy
You would be surprised how dented people can be
yes hello, did you call me?
marsh fjord
I take sims with a big ass grain of salt. for me it's a indicator and nothing more.
vale shore
what is TAS?
balmy condor
do you remember how old echoing reprimand worked numbers?
marsh fjord
do you remember how old echoing reprimand worked numbers?
yes i do
gotta finish on the combo point right
slim hamlet
that's intended
Wait, so youre telling me I didn't just turn into god that one pull? 
balmy condor
what is TAS?
tool assisted speedrun, it's like the programs people use during other games to do perfect speedruns cause it's frame perfect timings and shit and they need computer inputs for certain tricks
vale shore
oh okay
balmy condor
gotta finish on the combo point right
yah okay, and subtlety has a passive that gives a combo point on auto attacks right?
this is going somewhere I promise
marsh fjord
right?
slim hamlet
Oh yea
balmy condor
so one of the biggest examples of us "nerfing" the sims
slim hamlet
I remember that sub talent in sims
vale shore
sub was very difficult to hit the right combo point for ER
balmy condor
was during shadowlands, the sub simulations had the ability to proc the combo points
and then instantly switch the ability they were casting
to react to the echoing rep combo point
within like 20ms
completely inhuman reactions to procs
vale shore
something no human could do?
marsh fjord
which was very hard i presume?
balmy condor
I mean it's basically impossible
slim hamlet
Sounds like a skill issue
balmy condor
and so what we did was we neutered the sims ability to do that
marsh fjord
So the sims were incorrect because the robot did something you couldnt do
balmy condor
we made it so that the sim couldn't insta-react to those procs anymore
and it lost sub like 3% in sims or something crazy
marsh fjord
did people went ape shit over it?
balmy condor
yes
hallow glade
“25%” “50%” “soon”
marsh fjord
lol
vale shore
people got angry because the sims were now more accurate to what they could expect to perform?
marsh fjord
im here shaking my head in real life lol
spice surge
So the sims were incorrect because the robot did something you couldnt do
Some people think the sim Should should that to reflect perfect gameplay
slim hamlet
I wonder, did that actually change anything for anything besides just nerf the sim dmg. I guess it would nerf mastery a tiny bit
balmy condor
I wonder, did that actually change anything for anything besides just nerf the s...
yes, it did
vale shore
perfect gameplay, sure. not IMPOSSIBLE game play!
marsh fjord
But in reality your damage was still the same but people dont understand that i geuss
balmy condor
the APL was changed to reflect pausing your casts
fringe spear
think its pretty pointless if the sim isnt replicable by humans so
fringe spear
Well it'd still be pretty close but ye
balmy condor
hold for half a second to see if it procs
slim hamlet
Ah
balmy condor
and then make a decision
slim hamlet
That sounds super tedious
balmy condor
yeah but it recovered like 1.5%
slim hamlet
To just have sudden wa telling you to stop
balmy condor
from the 3% it originally lost
and that's the point of sims at the end of the day
to inform us how to play better and gear
but some classes wouldn't, and do not, do that
marsh fjord
I remember a guy in my guild that went to a dummy and looked at a 5 minut fight. and looked at the how much a spell woulda been cast in the sim and he tried to be perfectly on the same number of total cast on the dummy.
balmy condor
you can kinda snoop through some other classes APLs
and there is some DEMON shit in some of those sims
spice surge
opaque geyser
Hi guys thinking of trying ass rogue. How does it handle in raid and m+
slim hamlet
I remember one class or spec was cooked but can't remember which :^)
thorn thorn
Locks???
vale shore
Hi guys thinking of trying ass rogue. How does it handle in raid and m+
very well
marsh fjord
Hi guys thinking of trying ass rogue. How does it handle in raid and m+
Come back after ptr
balmy condor
like reacting to procs and multiple buff timers overlapping perfectly down to 0.1s and shit
fringe spear
I remember frost mage used to be like that dunno if they still do
balmy condor
I have it open, hold on
opaque geyser
Well those are two different answers lol
thorn thorn
I havent actually looked to see how degen the dev and aug sims are
slim hamlet
Honestly pro tip is to make the sim look op instead of sandbagging. Finally gonna get invited to keys cuz community perception
marsh fjord
Well those are two different answers lol
It's 14% better then live right now. nothing has changed only aura buffs. if we tell you right now it's good and then it gets nerfed you gotta come back and ask again just wait till PTR is over bro
thorn thorn
I do know that Sael is fluffing augs ptr sims by making it buff 4 shadow priests for the lols
balmy condor
reavers_glaive,if=buff.glaive_flurry.down&buff.rending_strike.down&buff.thrill_of_the_fight_damage.remains<gcd.max*4+(variable.rg_ds=2)+(cooldown.the_hunt.remains<gcd.max*3)*3+(cooldown.eye_beam.remains<gcd.max*3&talent.shattered_destiny)*3&(variable.rg_ds=0|variable.rg_ds=1&cooldown.blade_dance.up|variable.rg_ds=2&cooldown.blade_dance.remains)&(buff.thrill_of_the_fight_damage.up|!prev_gcd.1.death_sweep|!variable.rg_inc)&active_enemies<3&!action.reavers_glaive.last_used<5&debuff.essence_break.down&(buff.metamorphosis.remains>2|cooldown.eye_beam.remains<10|fight_remains<10)&(time_to_die>=10|fight_remains<=10)like this is unreadable
idk what the fuck this is supposed to do
and why we're counting in GCD timers
opaque geyser
Well rn is it atleast playable in both? That’s wat i really care about
marsh fjord
Well rn is it atleast playable in both? That’s wat i really care about
it's playable yes
opaque geyser
Ok cool
balmy condor
that's not even a bad one, cause I can SORTA parse what it wants to do
like I get why they have it this way
but it's kinda aids
fringe spear
do not look at feral cd/trinket logic
main bridge
if you think that's unreadable wait until you see Rust code
slim hamlet
Funny how letters and numbers and then u clikc an item on a page made of more letters and numbers and then you get numbers that is good or bad
fringe spear
it looks very dumb
thorn thorn
They probably want it to measure the theoretical max instead of an average
opaque geyser
I just hate when a class performs so poorly in aoe that being skilled doesn’t help. Though I know that’s rare
balmy condor
They probably want it to measure the theoretical max instead of an average
ya I mean that's the point I'm making
some TC's (mostly the older TC communities tbh)
treat sims as extensions of humans
and will not let the sims be overcooked
but a lot of the new generation of TCs I've noticed are like
thorn thorn
Which is how it should be
balmy condor
actively trying to make the sims reach 100% perfection
which also is just another reason why comparing specs through sims
is just a fucking waste of time
haughty flicker
Need to brag you have the highest sim number
slim hamlet
I can see the idea in both. For what sims are actually made for, showing you which is better of 2 gear pieces or talents or whatever, it being the closest to human gameplay is better tho
balmy condor
I can see the idea in both. For what sims are actually made for, showing you whi...
it also just muddies the water of like what good gameplay is
thorn thorn
Reminds me of when sael was working on aug sims and was trying to figure out what "realistic" would be for buff swapping until he found some chinese log of an aug player buff swapping almost frame perfectly
Very suspicious
balmy condor
like you can make some fucked rule that is insanely difficult to execute in practice
thorn thorn
An older time
balmy condor
but is that something that you would actually recommend for people?
if people can't pull off the tech, why should the sims have it
ya know
idk
slim hamlet
I remember you talked about some epic 0.3% gain where you needed superpowers to do it
coral ibex
what kind of tech are you holding back the sims from doing for assa?
slim hamlet
That you didn't even want to share
balmy condor
it's hard to standardize and regulate this for things
balmy condor
what kind of tech are you holding back the sims from doing for assa?
one of my favorite techs that I never entered into sims
is the fact that crimson tempest does an instant tick of the bleed when you cast it
and so you can count it as an instant damage aoe finisher
thorn thorn
I remember you talked about some epic 0.3% gain where you needed superpowers to ...
Generally people wont know about it either unless there is in-depth explanation
haughty flicker
balmy condor
and I set up a matrix of timings
thorn thorn
If its like a 2% or less gain then most people wont even bother
haughty flicker
CT does instant damage confirmed
balmy condor
where depending on how many targets you had, and what buffs were active
you could refresh CT before pandemic
haughty flicker
Snapshot gaming
balmy condor
but it was not linear and not consistent
so like if you had 5cp and 6 targets, you could CT 1.2 seconds before pandemic or whatever
and with 7 targets it would be 1.4
and on 8 it's 1.5
on 9 it's 1.8
etc etc
slim hamlet
This gave me ptsd to single target CT for some reason
balmy condor
the APL line was legit just a multi-variable demos line of best fit
opaque geyser
Math wizards
slim hamlet
I can't believe we used to insta refresh dots after applying them because of 
thorn thorn
slim hamlet
I miss my wife 
thorn thorn
Never forget exsang worked on DM too
haughty flicker
slim hamlet
Was epic
balmy condor
but yah like there's cursed stuff on most specs, and it's up to the TCs to filter what's reasonable and not
and that's not an exact science and there's no rules about it
slim hamlet
And somehow kingsbane shat all over it in burst
balmy condor
so you get a lot of different versions of sims
thorn thorn
I miss pre-nerf KB
haughty flicker
Lmao have fun with deathstalker
slim hamlet
Let me keep it a bit longer
thorn thorn
Chat who is gonna tell him
thorn thorn
Chat who is gonna tell him?
slim hamlet
Yea I haven't looked at assa hero talents since TWW beta and this about the new tier sets
Didn't really like any of them for rogue then, finally fixed up a whole new UI today so gonna level rogue tomorrow
slim hamlet
Dont say at least both hero talents are viable
Nah don't worry, just read wowhead saying fatebound is ahh
Holy last question before bedge. Did they ever change the fatebound animation or is the whole epic feel fo the hero talent still just a single coin popping out
That was so funny
balmy condor
Holy last question before bedge. Did they ever change the fatebound animation or...
it's still that
slim hamlet
you don't like my puns?
Even had to write it in caps 
thorn thorn
<:SMILERS:1154968326326464592>
balmy condor
based
thorn thorn
Whispyr I have an idea to make us great again
Its called delete mage
In this essay I will...
buoyant herald
fuck it im in
coral ibex
how does deleting mage make us do more ST
haughty flicker
cats and rogues unite to delete mages
coral ibex
oh you mistake me
i dont care about m+
i mean in raid
where you have all the buffs already
coral ibex
Then undelete boomkins so we can delete them a second time
you're speaking my language
haughty flicker
how does deleting mage make us do more ST
it makes us feel better
and when you feel better you play better
thorn thorn
where you have all the buffs already
Less damage for mages is more damage for us
And also arcane int being removed doesnt impact us
I see no downside
buoyant herald
also deleting mage means 10 devs are instantly freed up
half tartan
Is there a tier list dps gain chart yet for all specs?
balmy condor
none of those words are in the bible
keen spruce
https://tenor.com/view/cat-angry-no-talk-quiet-annoyed-gif-18249656535133585589
he just like me
golden storm
Thinking about the dungeon pool, is there a world where sub is better for prog keys? We’re doing lower count and none of us are playing Iron Wire anyway.
zenith elm
The dungeon pool is mostly big pulls
runic hinge
"prog keys" 
bright tartan
is every key before the end of season a prog key?
bronze pike
subtle tundra
Thinking about the dungeon pool, is there a world where sub is better for prog k...
analysing deeply what you wrote, play whatever you play best
deft shard
Do we have a sim for the ptr right now?
balmy condor
technically yes but it wouldn't do anything to look at it
runic hinge
Why do people want to turn video games from fun into math?
balmy condor
I like numbers too
I just like numbers that mean something
meaningless numbers don't really do it for me
deft shard
Okay 😔
grim jay
technically yes but it wouldn't do anything to look at it
How would you know what looking at it does to me
thorn thorn
Im him bro trust me
red schooner
But I'm me so why trust him
spice spire
But I'm me so why trust him
So real
subtle tundra
im John Him
wild thorn
i like log numbers
zenith elm
Good morning Fellow rogues
normal mist
Yellow
iron carbon
Morning o/
jade abyss
Why do people want to turn video games from fun into math?
Bcs math is fun?
jade abyss
grim jay
Thats actually based
rocky zodiac
Does this tier look more like a sub or sin tier? (with current tuning)
normal mist
Looks like a we don't know really tier
rocky zodiac
That are the best tiers i guess 😄
subtle tundra
doesnt matter much anyways youre poison bot
with current tuning youre just.... there anyways
(whispyr will tell you numbers dont matter)
warm vortex
Every time someone asks "is x going to be good this tier" before it comes out
do 5 pushups
You'll be jacked as fuck
glossy ledge
Hi guys, completely new to rogue, trying it as an alt for next season as I am healer main. I want a pure damage class and I like the class design, but I suck atm. Hekili helps.
My question : is mage tower skin affordable as a new assassination player ?
hollow river
Hi guys, completely new to rogue, trying it as an alt for next season as I am he...
You mean is it obtainable?
Or just asking if it will be difficult as a newer rogue
The legion mage tower weapon skins are unobtainable, but the transmog set from shadowlands is obtainable and isn’t very difficult I suppose
Just have to try keep bleeds on all 3 bosses and do the proper cc/kick rotation iirc
glossy ledge
I know it’s obtainable I meant if fight is not too difficult as a rogue newbie 😊
I’ll try seems like doable
onyx rock
The Sin one is kinda easy. You will still need some trys and watch a Video of it first but im sure you got this.
paper spade
Hey fam noob rogue question: do I CT in ST for hybrid or forced induction build or just bleed?
royal lantern
just with bleed
paper spade
Thanks!
iron carbon
Hey Plater nerds
How you manage to show only own aura tracking on plater?
Sometimes, I see Garrote up on target but not mine
chrome blaze
What changed to make a fateboudn sim way higher, and should i learn fatebound
red schooner
What changed to make a fateboudn sim way higher, and should i learn fatebound
Its more number goes up in general but the changes didn't benefit fatebound
Fatebound dead
chrome blaze
so i shouldnt learn fatebound i should learn sub LOL
red schooner
You can also just use deathstalker, that's also okay
balmy condor
What changed to make a fateboudn sim way higher, and should i learn fatebound
numbers went up overall, fatebound just isn't playable
those are two separate things
chrome blaze
numbers went up overall, fatebound just isn't playable
yeah it makes sense now i read some past convos in here, didnt realize fatebound had such weird interactions
scarlet orbit
Managing mark in the new raid will be fun 
opaque geyser
Good morning guys
chrome blaze
i hate managing Mark so i was excited for a sec
nova kelp
managing the mark looks aids in the raid
at least the turn around of DN is faster though
red schooner
I'm not looking forward to it
royal lantern
Managing mark in the new raid will be fun <:Surebud:1083827360815665235>
we will just braindead st the bosses anyway
whats targetswaps
royal lantern
immunity? idc
nova kelp
I'll probably be rocking sub for the first while until we get that patch a month in we always get that buffs sin a bit
scarlet orbit
Will stay on assa. Doesnt really matter at my wr what i play so thats a plus
nova kelp
yeah there is that tbh
and bleed is still the go to for m+
I just havea few crankers in my group that will make me feel bad
lol
balmy condor
it looks like some of the bosses FORCE the swap though
honestly depending on how tight the dps check is on forgeweaver, I think there's a good chance on prog at least for assa to just stay on the boss when the adds spawn 
nova kelp
honestly depending on how tight the dps check is on forgeweaver, I think there's...
honestly, at the very least my raid lead/officers are hyper aware of the target switching issues and blieeve me when I say mechanical stuff seriously
so I probably can unless it's NECESSARY
at which point I can't complain, it's necessary
nova aspen
raid leader: "malarki just sit on boss"
malarki: " "
balmy condor
idk what the health is like on live
but during testing the soft enrage was actually just impossible
we were like a full 30% off
fight seems pretty straight forward at least
and the tuning on first glance felt very dps-checky
so dunno
subtle tundra
What changed to make a fateboudn sim way higher, and should i learn fatebound
how did you read DEAD AND GONE and think you should learn fatebound
balmy condor
maybe that's going to be the first gear check
red schooner
honestly, at the very least my raid lead/officers are hyper aware of the target ...
My raid leader believes me, the backup raid leader and other raiders don't 
nova kelp
My raid leader believes me, the backup raid leader and other raiders don't <:ugl...
ooft
red schooner
At least trust me to play my class, please, I beg
nova kelp
that's kinda where I sit
I'm not a logs guy
I'm a kill the boss guy
I promise I'm trying to do best by all of us
red schooner
Same. I'll do mechanics and be the mechanics bitch, but like, I also can't hard target swap
Its a bad time
nova kelp
if I could go crank on a bunch of adds I fucking would, I PROMISE
chrome blaze
how did you read DEAD AND GONE and think you should learn fatebound
thats why i was confused, i thought dead and gone meant numbers wise, and then i saw the fuu sim 400k higher, so it didnt make sense- now it does
scarlet orbit
if I could go crank on a bunch of adds I fucking would, I PROMISE
Thats always funny. We are still dps players. Why do they think we would NOT full send on adds if we could xD
midnight mist
honestly depending on how tight the dps check is on forgeweaver, I think there's...
You mean the little fucker ads? Or the big dude
nova aspen
garf with me if u were assigned bomba #1 for gally
red schooner
Thats always funny. We are still dps players. Why do they think we would NOT ful...
Yeah, you think I'd pass up padding opportunities?
I like big numbers
balmy condor
You mean the little fucker ads? Or the big dude
big dude/boss hp
the small guys explode
that's mechanic is a dumbass check not a dps check
nova kelp
Thats always funny. We are still dps players. Why do they think we would NOT ful...
there's a common thing that peeps want to do which is just tunnel, so the assumption is you're avoiding responsibility
we've spent so long in game with that being the obvious assumption that we don't consider "actually a log chaser WOULD want to crank on aoe if they had a chance"
midnight mist
big dude/boss hp
Ye we had the big dude dragged away and only ranged were hitting it and it worked fine on mythic test, it was dying
Were you guys having everyone swap to the big dude ?
red schooner
Also warlock in the raid, 'I also lose damage if I swap targets', REALLY? TO THE SAME EXTENT?
deep robin
Hi Guys, I was wondering if anyone could tell me about the best mythic+ build(12+) for assassination rogue 11.2?(BLEED OR HYBRID?)
normal mist
Cleave is a choice
pliant remnant
The best Mythic+ build for Assassination Rogue 11.2 is making a DK and picking Frost on the spec screen
balmy condor
Were you guys having everyone swap to the big dude ?
yah we were full blasting it to beat some timer I forget
deep robin
Is it okay to use the same build that we currently use in retail?
balmy condor
yes
normal mist
Most likely yes
balmy condor
nothing changed
pliant remnant
There's like no changes
normal mist
Is it okay to use the same build that we currently use in retail?
What do you currently use?
red schooner
I'm changing my death mark macro to use slot 14 instead of 13, just so I have a slight change
A bit of variety, ya'know
deep robin
What do you currently use?
M+ is using a bleeding build
normal mist
Yeah that's a good one
You can use it until pretty high,
You only really swap to another one when you start lacking ST damage
deep robin
Yeah, Thanks
scarlet orbit
I'm changing my death mark macro to use slot 14 instead of 13, just so I have a ...
After a accident where i did not use my trinket in reclears because i had it change slots my macro has both in it ^^
deep robin
Can you give me two of the best trinkets? now I'm wearing a Improvised Seaforium Pacemaker and an Araz.
normal mist
HoC / priory + passive trinket
deep robin
Does Araz suck?
normal mist
I don't remember which one araz is
deep robin
normal mist
But if it sims good for you and you don't have another one that's better, it's good enough
Oh, ptr
deep robin
oh, yes.
deep robin
No. Thanks for letting me know.
normal mist
I wonder if there's a Chinese wowhead
And if so, do they have different guide writers or if they just translate everything our writers do
balmy condor
as far as I'm aware they have a forum style thing going on
they have their own TCs
but the community as a whole is a lot more reliant on streamers
balmy condor
more parasocial following the r1 streamers than like random sims/guides
normal mist
So whatever a R1 says it's good it's then law?
midnight mist
I think it's funny how they have basically the same if not bigger community and streamer people etc and we kinda have no idea about it
normal mist
In a way
balmy condor
Yah
balmy condor
I think it's funny how they have basically the same if not bigger community and ...
I mean it’s also way more money comparatively
balmy condor
Their m+ teams won’t compete in mdi/great push because they’re just boosting and don’t care for the tournament stuff
midnight mist
But that's wow
balmy condor
Cause if they lose they get laughed at
midnight mist
Ye but that's just wow tho idk about streaming right
midnight mist
Or you mean I guess the 2 are closely related since streaming is the publicity
Advertisment
balmy condor
Ye
balmy condor
The cycle is get high up ranking -> stream boosts for visibility -> money comes in -> repeat
And you’re either big enough e-penis or big enough e-celebrity to be successful through rmt boosting
It’s very strange
balmy condor
It’s similar to our culture of like rank 1 keys = twitch views or you’re like tettles/dratnos/naguura who content farmed to celebrity status
Except instead of riding YouTube/twitch money
It’s rmt
spice surge
Bigger cock
So presumably some big cock assa streamer plays bleed because all the chinese logs use bleed
maiden sierra
It’s similar to our culture of like rank 1 keys = twitch views or you’re like te...
Dr.atnos worked hard to farm dem views frfr
main bridge
Dratnos is pretty entertaining
he was originally popular because he made good dungeon routes
The Dratnos Expert Route™
golden loom
Dratty the goat
spice surge
The Dratnos Expert Route VS Yoda Easy Route
midnight mist
@balmy condor are these real ds vs coin sims for assa ? why does the pin say fatebound dead
main bridge
he's trying to gaslight the fatebound chads
prisma cypress
isn't "real sim" an oxymoron?
main bridge
Only if you take it literally. In this case real means “PTR sim ”
marble hemlock
I mean there is prolly people doing it aswell in the west
not probably. definitely.
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> are these real ds vs coin sims for assa ? why does the pin...
Are they real sims? No, they’re ptr sims with no updated apl on the first pass of fuu’s spreadsheet
Deathstalker tier is undertuned to hell though
So might be true
Fatebound is unplayable simple because of the cb timing fucking everything over
Even if the tier bonus itself is numerically fine
It’s not realistic that deathstalker stays so insanely weak, and it’s not realistic for people to play fatebound given the insane desyncing
4.6 is hilarious though
Big fan of that
Meanwhile there’s specs doing like 6.3
Really cool
red schooner
What you're saying is, we need to bully outlaw and steal trickster from them
midnight mist
Fatebound is unplayable simple because of the cb timing fucking everything over
how so, im a bit clueless
i just tought it turned assa in a 1min30 spec or smth
balmy condor
how so, im a bit clueless
Kingsbane is 0:45, cold blood is 0:52, deathmark is 1:30, vanish is 2:00
lavish wing
Kingsbane is 0:45, cold blood is 0:52, deathmark is 1:30, vanish is 2:00
Now all assa needs to fix everything is Dust 🤣
snow hamlet
its a 2min spec now lol
balmy condor
W sim
midnight mist
wsim
midnight mist
Kingsbane is 0:45, cold blood is 0:52, deathmark is 1:30, vanish is 2:00
obne sec
crude helm
sWim
golden loom
im trying to understand
U have to consume the 2 cb stacks for cd to start
balmy condor
It means nothing lines up
You either sack your cold blood, which makes it useless aside from opener
You hold your cold blood for deathmark, which I guess but then you lose casts
You hold Kingsbane for cold blood
In which case it’s back to 1:00 and 2:00
Which would also line up vanish
midnight mist
ye
balmy condor
Or you play destiny defined, which is not an option
Or you just accept that the tuning on deathstalker is arguably worse than the fatebound desyncing and everything is cancer and gonna change and just move on with life
Which is what I’m doing
midnight mist
but i mean in a scenario where it would sims better why wouldnt it be better, even if you do cringe desynced stuffs
i see
native turret
Tell me straight chief is it a reroll angle
balmy condor
And I’m waiting for blizzard to be serious with their game
red schooner
Or you play destiny defined, which is not an option
I don't get it because, hunters have a tier set that just gives them 90 second cooldowns without anything conditional attached to it
midnight mist
sure
golden loom
Well also fatebound in aoe is beyond dog
red schooner
So why does fate bound have the condition
golden loom
So ST sim for that when all raid fights have aoe
red schooner
At least then we could ignore cold blood
golden loom
Is kinda whatever
midnight mist
Did you also consider the fact fateboudn loses all it's st with additional adds whyspir
balmy condor
but i mean in a scenario where it would sims better why wouldnt it be better, ev...
It loses like 8% or some shit the moment any adds get involved
midnight mist
For outlaw we lose 20% prio in aoe
balmy condor
Yea
midnight mist
Ye right
balmy condor
It’s great tbh
midnight mist
Interesting hero talent
balmy condor
Good hero talent
midnight mist
And my spec st is going to be tuned around fatebound
balmy condor
Fucking ridiculous that we’re stuck with that rancid shit for a third season with 0 play rate
native turret
Fuck fatebound all my homies hate fatebound
balmy condor
But idk what else to do
hallow glade
So is the gain for fatebound 4pc actually 0% then?
balmy condor
No obviously not
prisma cypress
Kingsbane is 0:45, cold blood is 0:52, deathmark is 1:30, vanish is 2:00
the good news is they line up again at the 78-minute mark
midnight mist
Imma convince solo to start an anti fatebound campaign like you did, it seems like the smart choice actually
coral ibex
maybe there's some enormous rework coming next expansion so they dont want to do anything
anyone want some of this cope? its pretty solid
native turret
maybe there's some enormous rework coming next expansion so they dont want to do...
great!
coral ibex
midnight mist
maybe there's some enormous rework coming next expansion so they dont want to do...
ye they started the rework in beta tww thats why nothing was done the whole expac
coral ibex
native turret
Will we even keep same trees next xpac
midnight mist
Xd
balmy condor
Imma convince solo to start an anti fatebound campaign like you did, it seems li...
I just don’t understand how people are looking at any sims, even if the apls are updated, and not laughing their ass off
wild thorn
hope not
red schooner
The fact that the goddamn kingsbane buff bug is still there is wild
coral ibex
hero talents confirmed for midnight
midnight mist
He doesn't know
coral ibex
and the one after that
snow hamlet
maybe there's some enormous rework coming next expansion so they dont want to do...
The last time I heard this was when bdk was constantly improving aura
balmy condor
The fact that the goddamn kingsbane buff bug is still there is wild
It sims without the bug :)
spice surge
Fucking ridiculous that we’re stuck with that rancid shit for a third season wit...
Fate intertwined is my favourite example of this, like it just actively grief itself
coral ibex
yea its called COPE BUDDY GET WITH IT
midnight mist
I just don’t understand how people are looking at any sims, even if the apls are...
Idk I just looked at the sim and wondered why you called it dead when it's 8% ahead, just needed an explanation
Cause like for outlaw
Idk
red schooner
It sims without the bug :)
midnight mist
We kinda are in a similar situation with fateboudn being 8% or so ahead
Except it's fateboudn
So
balmy condor
Yeah I mean it’s bugged pretty bad
midnight mist
Idk what to do really
balmy condor
But also deathstalker is just giga shit atm
Might be the weakest tier set in the game ngl
red schooner
How did they look at fatebound and go, 'yeah, this is fine'
midnight mist
how much is it cuh
native turret
Looks like we are getting some nice aura buffs boys
plush umbra
How did they look at fatebound and go, 'yeah, this is fine'
spoiler: they just didn't look at fatebound
balmy condor
Like 8-9% total i think
native turret
spice surge
Deathstalker 2+4 for sub is worse than trickster 2p
midnight mist
ye
prisma cypress
how many specs in the game actually use both sets of hero talents? (i have no idea, genuinely curious)
midnight mist
thats low
snow hamlet
Like 8-9% total i think
native turret
@prisma cypress fury and ele do i know.
balmy condor
But yeh
thick sigil
Isnt 2-set somewhat decent?
Except i guess you lose current 4-set, and current tier is so dog shit
balmy condor
I would assume fatebound sims ahead because of a mix of things
Deathstalker bad
Bugs not in sims
General bullshittery
The usual
balmy condor
Isnt 2-set somewhat decent?
Except i guess you lose current 4-set, and current t...
Which 2 set
thick sigil
New 2-set for DS
midnight mist
Also just to lighten your day a bit whispyr
Ulria sheet already stole the sims in fuu sheet so it's out there now
balmy condor
2pc is 50% bonus of 30% damage with a 33% uptime
midnight mist
Ye for his mega secret paywalled spreadsheet or whatever that everyone shares around
red schooner
I was really hopeful for fatebound changes this patch, the new tier set looked fun
crude helm
Don’t worry guys, we still have atrophic poison
native turret
Zac i been leaking that sheet in every discord every day
balmy condor
Ulria sheet already stole the sims in fuu sheet so it's out there now
Brilliant
Thank god we do this every fucking tier
coral ibex
does this spreadsheet suck your peanits or something why is it paywalled
thick sigil
2pc is 50% bonus of 30% damage with a 33% uptime
When you put it that way 😂
Fuck rogue man, if we didnt have banger transmog i would delete
prisma cypress
good thing i leveled my survival hunter over the weekend. poison dots and bleeds, plus Great Value grappling hook...best of both worlds imo
native turret
Its patreon or twitch sub. If you want it dm me idc
spice surge
I fucking love spreading misinformation
native turret
I'll give you it
native turret
Get your misinformation here
icy geyser
to fuu's spreadsheet
balmy condor
Yeah
coral ibex
!fuu
balmy condor
That’s what I said
icy geyser
lol
native turret
No one argued u
red schooner
Why pay for misinformation when I can lie to you for free
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
native turret
I believe it's bullshit
red schooner
He must be tired
He works hard
balmy condor
Ptr sims without updated apl and missing like 4 more tuning passes until things look remotely acceptable holy shit poggers
Yippie
hallow glade
I thought he had !fuu turned off here for a sec lol
fallow canopy
The bag needs to be had while its hot
prisma cypress
it's actually pronounced FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU
balmy condor
WoW community is actually my own personal hell don’t get jealous
native turret
Best to ignore them and tell em to eat your ass
prisma cypress
that's community leadership
somber sparrow
based on the spreadsheet can't wait to get buffed
midnight mist
Ty for answers whyspir you have been nice today I will unblock you
balmy condor
yes more spreadsheet please
native turret
Leak sheets more so blizz buffs us
hallow glade
We are all just evil tulpas in whispyrs head tormenting him
balmy condor
The forbidden spreadsheets of doom and misinformation
hallow kettle
how do I sim for PTR to look at numbers if I dont have a PTR character
native turret
Sim these
coral ibex
balmy condor
You don’t
red schooner
Just wait until we convert the doom into PowerPoint format
balmy condor
Please do not sim ptr
somber sparrow
fallow canopy
The forbidden spreadsheets of doom and misinformation
Where is the spreadsheet of bis lists related to stat weights?
hallow kettle
why not? isnt that what we're getting assuming no changes
balmy condor
native turret
Not one person wants my Amazon prime twitch sub spreadsheet for free? Get it while its hot
hallow glade
Gimme
somber sparrow
Not one person wants my Amazon prime twitch sub spreadsheet for free? Get it wh...
city planner plays
hallow glade
I need to doompost
red schooner
Not one person wants my Amazon prime twitch sub spreadsheet for free? Get it wh...
I'll lie to you with a PowerPoint presentation
For free
wild thorn
the butterfly effect
balmy condor
Public access to ptr sims and google sheets being free are top two worst things ever invented
On god
native turret
Im pretty sure murder is worse but those are close
wild thorn
Public access to internet is the worst invention
they be letting anyone on the internet
balmy condor
Im pretty sure murder is worse but those are close
I think I could make an argument here
native turret
Need to go back to only the military and the queen being on the internet
balmy condor
Cause like
Think about all the brain matter getting murdered by these ptr sheets
Add it up
Probably roughly 1 human
I’d say there’s a critical mass of how many people click a sheet
Where it kills off enough brain cells
To outweigh a murder
fallow canopy
Maybe its like fatebound and since its aoe the brain damage nerfs itself
native turret
That's the trick I got no brain matter. I just wait for you to tell me what to play
balmy condor
The spreadsheet-brain damage horizon
balmy condor
Maybe its like fatebound and since its aoe the brain damage nerfs itself
Interesting theory but I think it’s bugged, literal uncapped aoe atm
Please fix
balmy condor
I just noticed that when I swipe to the server list on my phone, the bottom bar is a completely different height
This day keeps getting worse
earnest remnant
The spreadsheet-brain damage horizon
so if i blindly follow ptr sims + random streamer tierlists, thats a double negative does it then become good?
native turret
I just noticed that when I swipe to the server list on my phone, the bottom bar ...
Unplayable
hallow glade
Are we cracking 4 mil with ds sub
balmy condor
so if i blindly follow ptr sims + random streamer tierlists, thats a double nega...
No then you just get double brain damage
native turret
Double brain damage is fine if u watch peetko
balmy condor
ive only got so much left to deal with
And if you do the ptr sims, and the streamer tier list, and you look up a google doc patch guide
You unlock brain damage cubed
fallow canopy
What about the paywalled sheets
earnest remnant
minmaxing
balmy condor
3 dimensional brain damage
earnest remnant
i like it
balmy condor
What about the paywalled sheets
Nah that’s not brain damage that’s brain sludge
Any rigid solid mass you once had rattling in your skull has dissolved into a goo at that point
native turret
Off topic
balmy condor
Imagine paying money to get told useless incorrect information, that’s fucking crazy
native turret
Did anyone watch fantastic four? Is it good
prisma cypress
he's not wrong
coral ibex
marvel andy moment
earnest remnant
Imagine paying money to get told useless incorrect information, that’s fucking c...
me being forced into subscribing for national tv
love the news
frfr
tight ginkgo
Any rigid solid mass you once had rattling in your skull has dissolved into a go...
better than 24/7 asmr
balmy condor
me being forced into subscribing for national tv
National tv has less propaganda than ptr sheets tbh so probably a better use of money regardless of the content
raw marlin
He still has MM in S? Isn’t that spec dead now
hallow glade
No lol
raw marlin
All I know for certain is just put ww monk at the bottom
hallow glade
They got a tiny nerf
raw marlin
As an ex monk main it’s always there
raw marlin
No lol
Oh well another ptr tier list said it’s shit now. So I saw that one first so Hunter shit now. Sorry
Please change your view point to Hunter shit too or we’ll argue
Thanks
hearty seal
what are we dooming about today bois
prisma cypress
i thought everyone was anticipating a MM nerf
balmy condor
Need a tier lists of ptr tier lists
raw marlin
what are we dooming about today bois
Tier lists
wild thorn
We need to stop dooming and start gooning
raw marlin
Need a tier lists of ptr tier lists
You are the one to do this 😂
wild thorn
make a spreadsheet out of tierlists
hearty seal
Tier lists
patch ain't out for a week yet, just take some copium
raw marlin
patch ain't out for a week yet, just take some copium
No. I follow tier lists blindly. I’ve already changed my main 57 times this week
hearty seal
(also Whispyr is very optimistic about DS set buffs, ohohoho)
hallow glade
Shiv now lasts 8s longer
raw marlin
Shiv is like slice n dice. It just gets used when you use envenom.
Also while we are at it. Envenom also uses all your others buffs everytime you use it.
Now rotation, just envenom.
hallow glade
assa already plays like that
tight ginkgo
Need a tier lists of ptr tier lists
here's a good one
prisma cypress
healers in the mud
hallow kettle
how are the 3 rogue specs fairing in pure ST ?
all the "tier lists" i see are all for aoe stuff
hallow glade
Mid at best subject to change
hallow kettle
oh i meant between the 3 are there any that pull ahead
hallow glade
Not at the moment
opaque geyser
How is assassinations playstyle? Does it flow well?
prisma cypress
i would say assassination's core rotation is very smooth
some people don't like it because it's more...deliberate
if you need to have a filler ability to spam, assa is not for you
acoustic sky
it's cool af, it's just frustrating to see how undertuned it is...
opaque geyser
Ok so there will be downtime?
half tartan
Sometimes it feels odd not hitting a hutton for 4-6 seconds.
golden loom
Ok so there will be downtime?
!design
prisma monolithBOT
Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.
Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.
prisma cypress
the upside is it really lets you devote more attention/brainpower to mechanics and things happening around you
that might sound weird but it's the truth
opaque geyser
Not used to downtime in a spec but that actually sounds fine. I tend to tunnel which I need to get in the habit of avoiding so being able to focus on mechanics is good
vocal basalt
Sorry if this has been covered, but is there a WA being created thats screams out you not to use shiv when the darkest night buff is up.
For next season obv.
bronze marsh
should be quite easy to add a condition to your existing shiv aura
prisma cypress
yeah that doesn't sound hard to create
bronze marsh
add a trigger for darkest night buff then desaturate or add a glow or something when the buff is present
main bridge
I thought you are supposed to shiv in DN to buff envenom
Or is that just changing in S3
vocal basalt
In season 3, the tier set makes it so when you use shiv it consumes a stack of deathstalkers mark
However, it can also consume your darkest night proc (as of now)
bronze marsh
wait it consumes DN for you guys