assassination

[red schooner]

So they can see what playing that spec does to people

[gaunt sigil]

Feral and Arms (if you can even count them) I loved

Every time I see a spec get a bleed buff I’m just like

Afflic if it’s casts weren’t 2 hours would be fire

I almost swapped Afflic going into TWW

[nova kelp]

I love affi

I love dot specs in general tbh

god I wish we were a dot spec

those were the days

[gaunt sigil]

Don’t tell Afflic isn’t mostly dots anymore

The game isn’t worth playing if I don’t have at least 2 dot specs to play

[royal lantern]

mate

there is no dot spec

[gaunt sigil]

That’s all I needed to hear

Ty blizzard

[royal lantern]

"dot spec" means "dots generate Ressources and make burst stronger" for everything for a good while now lol

[runic hinge]

Feral is

[royal lantern]

feral is bite spam lol

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah that’s why I stopped feral

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-cat-gif-27161697

[runic hinge]

Circle got me applying dots every two seconds

[gaunt sigil]

I hated Convoke rng too

Just pray you get 16 bites

Then dps go 📈

[quiet oar]

I feel like

[runic hinge]

They normalized it I’m pretty sure

[quiet oar]

Convoke was a real cool spell when the introduced it

But with time

It became a hated spell

[gaunt sigil]

Oh yeah, I liked it on resto lowkey for awhile

I lived for cat weaving

[royal lantern]

aka almost all covenant spells

[runic hinge]

Sbs. Still good

[quiet oar]

Classic ER was cool too

[red schooner]

Don't talk bad about bone spike

[royal lantern]

my favorite covenant spell situation, was the "visual rework" for them

where they changed ER and Sepsis, and even mentioned it as a part of their patchnotes

and then like 1month later they got removed from the game

[gaunt sigil]

I started in shadowlands so it’s good memories for me

[runic hinge]

[gaunt sigil]

A lot of people hated on SL but I think it’ll always hold a place in my heart

[red schooner]

I played levelling content and some solo endgame stuff in SL, it was alright

Necrolords were bros

[gaunt sigil]

I didn’t even raid until DF, within DFs I went from normal raiding to CE in 3 seasons and it was kinda a shock

[royal lantern]

SL was allright

the extreme hate on it is weird

[red schooner]

For story reasons its warranted

[royal lantern]

espacially when many people make it very obvious that they dont even know what they are talking about lol

[gaunt sigil]

I didn’t pay attention to story really, but I miss my little Kyrian Steward

My baby?-owl?-boy?

Idk what it was but it was cute

[royal lantern]

even there not really, cus sooooo many "complaints" are people making stuff up or simply skipping everything and complain about it then

dont get me wrong, its still not great, but everytime some idiot goes DAE JAILER PLANNED EVERYTHING XDDDDDDD i cringe on a painfull level

[warm vortex]

Oh come on man

I was gonna reply to tryran's but your bang on

Because i literally can't function without my ADHD meds XD

Not even just for wow, for life in general

[gaunt sigil]

I quit my adhd meds lmao

Been off for 8 years now somehow

Idk how I’ve managed that but I should prolly get back on them

[warm vortex]

Yea, for me i can't haha

[gaunt sigil]

I was on Concerta or somethin iirc

[warm vortex]

OMG NO SHOT

me to :D

Or well

I can't get back on it because it's in short af supply

[gaunt sigil]

I’d prolly try to get on adderall though if I got back on meds. That shit puts me to work

My BF is on it and I borrow it on especially bad days

[warm vortex]

Fair

Tbh for me

anything is far, far far better than nothing

[runic hinge]

I tried vyvanse in December but I did not like it so we’re unmedicated xd

[gaunt sigil]

I mean yeah I didn’t like meds cause I felt they turned me into a zombie but like Adderall makes me feel unstoppable. Work was so much easier and more bearable to focus on it with it.

Omg I think it was vyvanse I tried that literally felt like it was turning me into a different person when I took it

Worst experience on adhd meds ever

Maybe it was Ritalin though

Idk that was like 8-9 years ago

[warm vortex]

Honestly, i feel like when im off meds, i just do nothing
Like, can't focus, can't do any writing for clients/uni work
and i deffo aint touching my car while unmedicated

But when im n that shiz, i can think straigth

And im DEFFO not lifeguarding if i cant even focus on myself, let along other ppl

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah if I had Adderall when I was in HS I woulda kicked ass

Prolly woulda been more tempted to go to college but also like covid ruined my senior year and motivation

[bronze pike]

divine toll was and still iss cool

[gaunt sigil]

One of if not the coolest one

[bronze pike]

elysan decree

also cool

[gaunt sigil]

The bell sound and all the spells flying out is so satisfying

[bronze pike]

the hunt also cool

flag for rogue is cool with its og visual

[gaunt sigil]

I played decree build allllll the time especially with double leggo

[bronze pike]

it was fun af

[gaunt sigil]

I was a vengeance and fury main in SL

[bronze pike]

when it shot out 3 hammers at your main target

oh

ye

[gaunt sigil]

Though the infinite brand build on Havoc was funny

[bronze pike]

decree lego with bird guy, and sigil lego

made for

fucking

16 second cd decrees if proactive enough

[gaunt sigil]

80% of the damage being sinful brand was stupid

Yeah I miss Decree spam

[bronze pike]

made blizzard appologize

which is rare

[gaunt sigil]

I still love vengeance though

[warm vortex]

Tbh when i was playing Sl my brain still didn;'t funciton, and i was playing at like 8fps
So i barely remember the leggos

And covenant thingies

[gaunt sigil]

Vengeance is the only tank that I’ve always enjoyed almost every iteration of

Frot War is hype sometimes too

[bronze pike]

some of them are lackluster

like sepsis for rogue

some to strong to ever come back

like ashenhollow or that hunter one

some changed until its completely different

[gaunt sigil]

Ugh

[bronze pike]

like convoke

[static glacier]

shoutout shadowdust

[gaunt sigil]

Don’t even mention ashen

[bronze pike]

cracklaw was insane

[warm vortex]

Do you guys remember how you couldn't change them when it came out

[gaunt sigil]

That shit made me quit PvP for good

[bronze pike]

you could get back to back ERS with shadowdust

[bronze pike]

yes

it was horrible

[warm vortex]

That was great

[bronze pike]

sl was truly is

[warm vortex]

God SL was so shit

[bronze pike]

one of the expansions of allllll time

strill better than bfa tho

fuck bfa

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah, but that’s what I started playing the game on so I didn’t think much

[quiet oar]

REAL

FUCK BFA

PIECE OF SHIT ADDON

[gaunt sigil]

So I didn’t mind the not being able to switch

[bronze pike]

people like

bfa

i dont like

absolutely shit expansion

was the reason why half of shadowlands sucked dick too

[warm vortex]

"hey what if we made these 4 distinct zones"

oh that's actually kind of co-

"Well what if we make it so you had to take a flight path to all of them"

well-

"and what if we made 2 flashbang you when you enter"

[bronze pike]

real

[quiet oar]

Because of S3 after Corruption got fixed was fun for them

[gaunt sigil]

I played kyrian mostly cause it was cool and I was hardly managing to play norm raids so I didn’t really care

[quiet oar]

and they forgot the absolute agony BFA was

[bronze pike]

thats only after

the vender was added

[quiet oar]

Thats what i meant with fixed

[bronze pike]

and thats if your corruption was on the vender

in a biweekly swtich

:)

rets bis corruption was on the last vender before it reset back to the start

least to say

i was extremely mad

:)

[gaunt sigil]

Corruption was before my time

[bronze pike]

it was horrible

until you had your full decked out corrupted gear

[gaunt sigil]

I’ve heard

[bronze pike]

then it was insane

fucking fun af

having

[gaunt sigil]

But watching Nylotha? Rwf is what got me into retail

[bronze pike]

400% mastery

[gaunt sigil]

I was playing classic at the time

[bronze pike]

was insane

[warm vortex]

Corruption gear was the best and worst borrowed power bliz has ever added

worst by far, and best by far

[bronze pike]

nah

the best was essences

by a large margin

[gaunt sigil]

I don’t mind borrowed power ngl

[bronze pike]

borrowed power is fine when done well

essence was done wlel

the rank system gave a clear progression

and rank 4s being cosmetic was a great call

farmed 1mill honor for the rank 4 of the pvp essences

[stark matrix]

Brother

You aren’t actually serious

Can’t be

[bronze pike]

im very serious

[stark matrix]

Yeah man

[bronze pike]

when i finished

a week later

they nerfed the pvp achievement honor required

to like half or something i dont remember

[stark matrix]

Borrowed power that forces someone to spend 10s of hours in un-enjoyable content is great

[bronze pike]

i was healer at the time and i liked the giant time bubble external

??

[stark matrix]

I didn’t type anything unintelligible

[gaunt sigil]

What about the 2h leggo S3-4 DF. Just had to pray for your borrowed power

[bronze pike]

i mean

[stark matrix]

I’m fairly certain you can comprehend what I said

[bronze pike]

i dont think any of the essences took to long to get rank 3

the starter one needed you to get level 60 with your heart

which you were oding anyways cuase how azerite gear was designed

[grim jay]

Essences were really easy

[bronze pike]

vision of perfect aka mine

was kill king mechagon 4 times

[stark matrix]

There are people who spent a week grinding BoTE for R3 lmao

[normal mist]

Only the pvp one was boring

[stark matrix]

BoTE was a terrible acquisition if you don’t care for PvP and it happened to be good for you

[normal mist]

Yep

[bronze pike]

rank 3 was just like what

idk

at the time

[normal mist]

That's the only one I can complain about

[bronze pike]

50k honor?

ya thats valid tho

but i dont think outlaw used it

[normal mist]

Either 50 or 100

[bronze pike]

we used meme beam or something right?

[royal lantern]

so just like m+?

[bronze pike]

rank 4 was like

[royal lantern]

[bronze pike]

1mill

which i grinded with hyper autism

meme beam rank 3 was

"get thing from crest until you have 15 of that thing

and win

so again fairly easy

the only annoying one to me was the elemental dude

where you had to kill azhara alot of times

heroic gave you 4

and you needed to combine 36 of em to make rank 3

[stark matrix]

People who whine about m+ aren’t real people, but on a serious note I would love for m+ to not need to raid and for raiders to not have to m+

[royal lantern]

[stark matrix]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

If you like mythic raiding but you don’t like keys imo that’s a bit odd

[grim jay]

Idk its literally the same if you cry about pvp, m+, raid, delves or any part of the game

[gaunt sigil]

So real though

[grim jay]

They are nothing alike

[stark matrix]

And it’s likely influenced by the fact that personal responsibility is higher in keys

[gaunt sigil]

I felt kinda in between cause once I started pushing keys I realized how fucking stupid I was

[grim jay]

L take

[snow hamlet]

i am not

[stark matrix]

Both PvE content, both focus on clearing the content, both are intended to be the most difficult form of PvE content available the biggest differences are 5 man vs 20 man and a timer that punishes you for messing up in an infinitely scaling system

[normal mist]

Sounds like life

[stark matrix]

But again, I don’t think you should be forced to do it if you don’t enjoy it

[gaunt sigil]

Fuck this is too real especially as an American rn

[bronze pike]

i mean

[stark matrix]

The irony about this is your average mythic raider is also amoeba iq, actually probably worse lol

[bronze pike]

no one is forcing anyone to do any content they dont like

do yoru weekly keys if your a raider

fo heroic raids if you do high keys

the dps gain for mythic raiding trinkets is minimal if your not actually pushing to the peak of keys

[stark matrix]

If you don’t like keys but have a requirement to do them because you’re a raider you are being forced to do so

[grim jay]

Both require different skillsets

[bronze pike]

thats another thing

[stark matrix]

Even if it’s not a game mandate

[gaunt sigil]

My experience with raid vs keys is that a lot of mythic raiders are just trying to parse so much and that’s why they make mistakes cause they just worry about dps. A lot of the key players are just fucking brain dead

[bronze pike]

if your a world first raidcer then sure you have to do keys

[stark matrix]

And tons of the best trinkets are from raid if you care about keys

[bronze pike]

if your in the top 100 sure that too

but like

very few people are in that bracket

and dont really need to do keys

just do your weeklys and be done

also end of the day

the game rewards you for playing the game

all aspects of it

which is better than having everything seperate

[stark matrix]

There’s a lot of overlap tbh, but it doesn’t necessarily translate

[bronze pike]

pvp is seperate from pve and it was in a decline since then

[gaunt sigil]

Honestly most of the time unless a trink is super super turbo op BiS than you can get by with A tier trinkets in mythic raids and vault keys, but if you are pushing keys I feel like gear starts to matter more and more

[bronze pike]

until it was finally murdered by the addition of solo shuffle

[subtle tundra]

mythic plussers are mentally ill and should be prescribed medication immediately

[gaunt sigil]

Unless you are pushing parses, and IO your gear doesn’t really matter ngl

[stark matrix]

Nah pvp died because it isn’t actually fully treated as its own thing

[bronze pike]

yes that helped its declien

but again ss just murdered arean team building in general

cause you que

get added to a team of random dipshits

and gg

idk im sure people have theyre reasons to want to seperate all aspects of the game keys and raiding but i dont think thats healthy for the game in general

just only for 1% of players that dont wnat to engage with other parts of the game

[gaunt sigil]

I bet if I told a psychiatrist that I played wow they’d put me on schizo meds and antidepressants

[bronze pike]

we shouldnt make sweeping design for that small of a player %

that would actively harm the playerbase as a whole

[stark matrix]

You really don’t need sweeping changes

[red schooner]

Where's raid+, I wanna see bosses with incrementally more numbers

[bronze pike]

seperating the 3 game modes

[red schooner]

Sure you killed Gally, but do you wanna try Gally +10?

[bronze pike]

is a big sweeping change

[gaunt sigil]

I think that’d lowkey be cool if it’s just for the clout and there is no extra gear

[red schooner]

Yeah for sure

[gaunt sigil]

Cause M+ raids would be guild killers otherwise lmao

[stark matrix]

You can implement some changes that don’t completely separate m+ and raid

[gaunt sigil]

I love infinitely scaling content as a skill expression. In any game you will have to min max to push the extremes so I don’t care if there is a meta once it gets to a certain key level

People just need to get out of the mindset that because the top 1% of players are playing a certain comp that they NEED that comp in a +5

[red schooner]

It'd be interesting to see how far the rwf guilds could push it. Maybe have a title/mount for highest raid+ in a season

[stark matrix]

Granted this example revolves around cartel chips becoming a staple in the future, but you could easily implement something like clear all 16s and it unlocks mythic raid items

[bronze pike]

i mean i still dont see a reason why

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah I think that would be really cool to really push players to the ultimate limit

[subtle tundra]

m+ is designed with infinite scaling in mind, raid isnt

[bronze pike]

i think dinars being locked on their own specifc game mode is fine

[subtle tundra]

errrrrrrrr i mean

miau

[red schooner]

Okay the varas reboot button worked

[bronze pike]

12 for key trinkets and cantrips

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah it’d need to buff the raids in such small increments otherwise it’d get out of control

[bronze pike]

mythic raid for raiding stuff

[stark matrix]

CE is a much much more insane time sync than +12s lmao

12s are literally day one of season content

[bronze pike]

[gaunt sigil]

Idk honestly, maybe this sounds egotistical but Mythic raids aren’t that hard

It’s just a time commitment check

[subtle tundra]

depends

[bronze pike]

depends heavily on the tier

mythic sotfo

[subtle tundra]

do you get CE week 3 or month 3 or month 6

[bronze pike]

fucked people hard

[subtle tundra]

completely different things

[bronze pike]

mythic crab was like

[stark matrix]

I don’t think they are either but the time commitment is the problem in the dinar system/if you want to focus on m+

[gaunt sigil]

Like rwf is a different story, but late in the tier I think many players are skilled enough to get CE they just don’t have the time

[stark matrix]

Even without dinars

[subtle tundra]

you would be surprised

[red schooner]

It'd just be fun to see, probably would be janky as hell

[bronze pike]

second to last boss levels of hard at first

hell heroic jailer

[stark matrix]

Items like Jastor and Eye are insane for keys

[bronze pike]

was fun and hand pre nerf

jailer

[subtle tundra]

the only reason that is true is cause of nerfs

[bronze pike]

was such a goated fight

holy fuck

[subtle tundra]

i can tell you for sure those people cant do the bosses even with 20% dmg buff full bis if they dont get nerfed, mechanically

[gaunt sigil]

Maybe it’s just cause I never really played outside my guild so I only played with CE grade players but it never really felt like often played with shit players.

[bronze pike]

i honestly think dinars should be like a meme season thing

[red schooner]

Its true, rfwl players are animals

[bronze pike]

if they do it again

they should keep it like

[red schooner]

Source: me

[bronze pike]

as is now

or

[stark matrix]

Yes because your average CE raider doesn’t care to put effort forward lmao

It’s why most of them hate keys

[bronze pike]

if they want to make the casual happy

they can make a nother resource

[subtle tundra]

average player needs to be breast fed gear otherwise they cry on forums

[bronze pike]

to turn your heroic dinar into a mythic one

maybe

like

idk

[gaunt sigil]

Actually mid writing this I realized that maybe I’m only thinking towards me quitting. In my old guilds when we were struggling on Heroic Raz there were some fucking shitters

[bronze pike]

kill last boss 6 times

[subtle tundra]

waaaah waaaah why do i have to do mythic raid to get mythic level dinar waaaah waaaaah

[bronze pike]

turn one of your dinars into am ythic one

[gaunt sigil]

Someone got kicked cause they played by clicking spells from their spellbook

Go to an RP server

[stark matrix]

I mean there is a version of this that’s actually legit imo

[subtle tundra]

no loot is the reward

[bronze pike]

nah

[royal lantern]

that take is always so weird for me cus like

most of the time its a normal 50/50 split bettwen Dungeon and raid trinkets being the best option

then we had this tier where legit all trinkets in the game sucked outside of 3-4, and it immediatly turns into "omg i always need to do raids for trinkets"

same with stuff like cantrip items, they tend to exists everywhere, but the SECOND there is one in the raid, all the "m+ mains" will complain about it like crazy

[jaunty matrix]

[subtle tundra]

you shouldnt ever need the loot from the boss to kill the boss

[stark matrix]

Getting title is way harder than getting mythic gally

[bronze pike]

this btw

[royal lantern]

incredibely based holy shit

[jaunty matrix]

what's funny is that heroic is so easy these days you can clear it like that too

[royal lantern]

what a chad

[bronze pike]

both are boostable

so both are irrelevant

[stark matrix]

Yet you have to do 100hrs of prog to get gally

[jaunty matrix]

they need to make heroic a bit harder imo

[stark matrix]

Unless you wanna pay gold

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah nerfs make a huge difference that’s a good point

[bronze pike]

nah dial that back a bit

[jaunty matrix]

just a bit for the difficult to matter

[bronze pike]

heroic is not hard

but its not that easy either

we often forget

[jaunty matrix]

it is easy

[bronze pike]

only like

10% of the player base gets atoc

[jaunty matrix]

you can straight up ignore mechanics in heroic

[bronze pike]

its easy for us

[jaunty matrix]

with a little gear

[bronze pike]

because we have brains

and hands

[gaunt sigil]

We had no chance of killing mythic tindral early in the tier. We put so many pulls into that fucking chicken

[royal lantern]

title is not Killing mythix gally bro lol

title is like getting HoF

[bronze pike]

the majority of wow population does not that have

[stark matrix]

Uhhh sir, did you forget last tier? With Spymaster?

[gaunt sigil]

We relied on nerfs early in the tier

[royal lantern]

title and HoF are both the 0,1% lol

[jaunty matrix]

title is not even close to hof lol

[gaunt sigil]

Isn’t CE already like top 1%?

[stark matrix]

You’re missing the point

[jaunty matrix]

title and ce are more or less the same

hof is next level

[bronze pike]

yes

but title and hof are like

.1%

type shit

[gaunt sigil]

That blows my mind

[bronze pike]

yes breaking this down

[royal lantern]

uhh sir, did you forget last tier, with eggsac

or how Puzzlebox in DF was so broken that they had to emrgency nerf it all the time

[jaunty matrix]

you have the whole season to get title

[bronze pike]

often blows peoples mind

[jaunty matrix]

hof is the first 2 months

its not even close to difficulty

[royal lantern]

its reversed

[bronze pike]

but title always moves

[stark matrix]

Pushing keys to a certain level is harder than gally, yet you are completely locked out of some of the best items for that content unless you dedicate a very long time to it

[bronze pike]

depends

[royal lantern]

HoF is a race

[gaunt sigil]

Even when I was rank 94 Assa, I was fucking mind blown at the absolute skill chasm between me and the rwf guys

[bronze pike]

on how much people do

and push

[royal lantern]

Title is a Marathon

[gaunt sigil]

I M+’d with JPC in S3 2 times and he is just different

I couldn’t imagine

[stark matrix]

How about crit trinket from EP or the one from Aszhara lmao

[bronze pike]

mechagon bracers for fire mage

[stark matrix]

Raids almost always have big chase items that are just flat out better than m+ items

[royal lantern]

you are missing the point

you compare 2 things that can barely be compared in the first place

title and just getting CE is not something you can compare lol

[jaunty matrix]

as they should

m+ already gives so much

[royal lantern]

you mean the same expansion that had the mechagon wrists?

and rings?

[bronze pike]

like mechagon bracers is like

[stark matrix]

You absolutely can in the time commitment aspect of it to the reward that is given

[bronze pike]

fucking extremely bis than anythign from raid

and the mechagon rings

fuck those ring

you had to get lucky

not just 1 time

but 2 times

[royal lantern]

??? no

even in rewards you cant cus raids are absolutely dogshit in rewards while m+ drowns you in everything lol

[bronze pike]

in a pool of 4 rings

[jaunty matrix]

does anyone like that in s3 everyone will wear the exact same items in 3 slots ?

i dont like that

cloak, boots and ring

[bronze pike]

ring?

i know cloak and boots

[jaunty matrix]

final boss drops a ring that boosts cloak

like the boots

[bronze pike]

cloak is like the mandatory legendary but not leegedanry

WAIT WHAT>?

i didnt know this

plus emblishments

thats like

5 slots locked in

[jaunty matrix]

also everyone will want the boots and ring

[glass root]

I like how we playing a full expansion and not playing fatebound

[stark matrix]

Yeah man HoC, Eye, Pickmeup, Jug, Jastor, the cantrip weapons all suck

[royal lantern]

i mean, cloak is the "legendary" of the patch you get at the start

the boots rn are so weak that most specs dont use them

[royal lantern]

you literally do the shit i said not even 5min ago

holy fuck

m+ brains really deplete their braisn togheter with their keys

[bronze pike]

real

[jaunty matrix]

i expect blizz to mega buff the boots

since they made them to work with the cloak

[bronze pike]

mage still has to get mechagon bracers btw

[jaunty matrix]

so they must be used

[royal lantern]

problem is that the boots buff the cloak, and the cloak effect is kinda very weak

[bronze pike]

which is more of ag ain that other raid cantrips

[jaunty matrix]

cloak will also be buffed if its not good

or actually not

[bronze pike]

they are piss for tanks

[radiant raven]

I'll bet you 5 gold that they buff the cloak proc a day or two before the patch goes live

[stark matrix]

I’ve lost more brain cells waiting for people in raid to get basic mechanics obtaining CE the last couple of tiers than I ever have pushing IO lmao

[jaunty matrix]

because they said there will be no cloak drops in s3

so even if cloak is shit best you can do is craft one

[royal lantern]

no you cant

cus multiple raid mechanics need the cloak

[stark matrix]

Blizzard isn’t just going to leave it bad

[jaunty matrix]

oh

so its not just a stat stick ?

[radiant raven]

And the cloak has fully customisable stats anyway so a crafted cloak would be pointless

[stark matrix]

They’ve buffed every single borrowed power item this expansion

[jaunty matrix]

ye

[stark matrix]

It also has role based procs iirc

[jaunty matrix]

that's why i think they will definitely buff the boots

if they bad

[bronze pike]

this birb?

this is shit

like

[radiant raven]

If they buff the cloak then they don't need to buff the boots

[bronze pike]

your not gonna actively hunt for this unless yo uabsoltuely need it

like sark cloak from df

[jaunty matrix]

isn't most of the raid dmg cosmic ?

[royal lantern]

cosmic dmg is like 80% of dmg types in the game

[jaunty matrix]

[royal lantern]

iirc cosmic is shadow+nature+light+fire?

[bronze pike]

yes but the until damage taken

kinda kills it

[bronze pike]

like its neat

sure you'll get it

but its not something people will be actively frothing in the mouth to get

[normal mist]

Cosmic damage is all the damage you don't understand.
"Why did I die there????" Cosmic damage!

[bronze pike]

unless they are degen pushing hard content day one

[royal lantern]

damm, arcane instead of fire

i was THIS close

[radiant raven]

Yee

[bronze pike]

like for rwf

the ring will be kinda useful

but not really

like cloak emblishment back indf

sporecloak

it exists

thats its only benefit

[radiant raven]

The way to remember it is it's the four distinct cosmic powers.

[stark matrix]

Free DR is free DR

[bronze pike]

i mean sure

but like

the damage prevent part has to be huge

cause

400k is nothing

[stark matrix]

Assuming you like the stats anyways

[bronze pike]

thats less than a auto

[stark matrix]

That’s 400k at 662

[radiant raven]

400k is really small when we're gonna have 15m+ hp as DPS

[bronze pike]

ya

i dont think

its gonna be huge

at 670+

or whatever the ilvl is

[stark matrix]

We already at 670+

[radiant raven]

I assume they mean the ring once it's 670+

Maybe at 732 or w/e it'll be one million HP

[royal lantern]

cant wait for another tUrBo bOoST and we end up with ilvl 820

[stark matrix]

Next raid gonna be like 680ish in normal no?

[royal lantern]

[radiant raven]

I WAS CLOSE

[bronze pike]

huge

1mil

big

[royal lantern]

ye smth like that

[bronze pike]

for when you have 15mill hp

as a tank

[radiant raven]

M0 Champ is 681, so yeah

[bronze pike]

this is useless to me

[radiant raven]

At 1/8

Heroic is.. 708 or something?

[bronze pike]

luckily as a vdh

these stats will make it bis

so its w/e for me

[radiant raven]

At least the cloak is pretty to wear, it looks cool

[stark matrix]

I mean 1m at what I assume will be us at 14m as dps is like 7-8% max hp

Not terrible

Not great

[bronze pike]

its like

it exists

not something people would beg to get unless doing world first content

[radiant raven]

It'll be a bonus

[stark matrix]

I beg just for the stats

[radiant raven]

terrible haste

[stark matrix]

Huge haste big stonks on warrior

[bronze pike]

ya you'll probably get more benefit from the stats than the proc

like wahst the rppm

is it also rng proc?

so sometimes you just get nothing

or is it a loop

that you get it again after 20 seconds past

[stark matrix]

Always procs when your cloak does it looks like

[bronze pike]

so its kinda extra shit then

[stark matrix]

Which as a tank specifically is like once every 4m kekw

[bronze pike]

Hoge

[stark matrix]

Jk that’s just the secondary effect of the proc for the cloak

Idk what the (r?)ppm of the normal cloak effect is

2 hasted ppm according to Wowhead

[bronze pike]

That’s so

Aids

Let it loop

So it can be useful

[radiant raven]

They're gonna buff it, 100%. Same as they buffed every other one of these.

[red schooner]

Do they need to buff it? I thought you needed it for certain raid mechanics?

Like we're stuck with it regardless

[radiant raven]

Yeah, it is, but the proc is medicore to downright bad.

Which is also the same for the DISC and also the Circlet before it.

[earnest pilot]

are sims broken with bleed build forced induction? it says its simming for 15% less in dungeon slice, but surely its more dmg no?

[lean plover]

bleed fi purpose is to meme on a +2 with a giga sudden demise

[red schooner]

Yeah but they wanted is to use the disc and circlet, we HAVE to use the cape

[radiant raven]

True

[red schooner]

Might be due to sudden demise not working in sims

[radiant raven]

But I still stand by it

[red schooner]

Its like, my water company is shit, but like I need water so, gotta use them.

[jaunty matrix]

do you need water tho ?

have you tried replacing water with beer

[red schooner]

Beer is expensive

Can't shower in beer

[quiet oar]

You can

Its called Golden Shower

google it

trust me bro

[red schooner]

No, I don't think I will

[quiet oar]

Your loss

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

[jaunty matrix]

[lusty kraken]

With the latest buffs, is MA back?

[lean plover]

Well they buffed ambush and mutilate, wouldnt that make vv stronger?

[normal mist]

Check the pins for a tldr

[golden loom]

My guess is that MA will still only ever be better on pure ST, as the cleave value from VV is big, and 99% of raid fights arent pure ST

And especially on some of these fights, having vanish for mark will be very useful

[brave comet]

i wonder if theres a stat distribution that could reduce the amount of RNG there is in our opener

[red schooner]

I'm just not giving up vanish, its too nice to have for marks

Unless MA is giga ahead I'll just stick to VV

[quiet oar]

No there isnt

[pulsar orbit]

just thought of something and now im concerned and cant find straight information about it lol
the 11.2 tier set bonuses effects are different for your hero talents selected
but idk if that actively changes or if you have to choose them when you make the piece
like theres no way they would make that a permanent choice and force you to farm the tier multiple times to play other specs right?
not in this day and age lol, i hope

[static glacier]

more than anything you'd just avoid any possible rng you can remove

[spice surge]

When you swap hero talents it changes

[pulsar orbit]

ok good

[spice surge]

Just like it does with specs for right now

[dense fox]

Good morning fellow Rogues. I hope today has found you and yours well. I am starting to "optimize" my gear, and I was wondering what would be the best "crafted" neck piece to make and with what stats/embelishments? Thank you guys!

[azure dirge]

Sims will tell you

[dense fox]

under the optimizer tab?

[red schooner]

You can sim droptimiser, yeah

Should be an option for crafting under there

[balmy condor]

Or you can add it to top gear and use the + icon to recraft it into different stats

Which is by far easier and less cringe

[red schooner]

[balmy condor]

Droptimizer only lets you sim one stat at a time and it’ll sim all the crafted gear at once

[red schooner]

You mean I've been doing it the hard way this entire time

Wtf

[balmy condor]

So it makes comparing single items real shit

Top gear is much more efficient if you have specific gear to compare, like say which neck out of a set of crafted neck stats or a bunch of trinkets or some combination of multiple slots

Droptimizer is basically only useful if you’re wondering about drops from a given content

Like the best drops from mythic raid

Or from vault

Or all crafted items in totality

[dense fox]

thank you guys fo the info, it really helps

[red schooner]

I just sent 4 droptimisers going with different stat combos

[normal mist]

Just so we understand... Are you high ilvl at least?

If not, anything goes

[red schooner]

In my defence I never claimed to be a smart person

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s aids

[dense fox]

658

[normal mist]

Yeah literally does not matter

[balmy condor]

Clogging up raidbots servers with actual 45 min long sims for no reasons

[normal mist]

At that point just equip whatever higher ilvl items you get

[azure dirge]

I like to sim every roulette wheel

[red schooner]

The crafted ones only took like a minute or something like that

[balmy condor]

Oh maybe they optimized it

Running all crafted gear used to take a fucking eternity

[normal mist]

And craft a CRIT/Mastery neck/ring and that's good enough

[red schooner]

If it was 45 minutes I'd have gone 'yeah fuck that' and just slammed crit mastery

[balmy condor]

Seriallos looking at his fucking electricity bill from the amazon server farm

[dense fox]

very cool, thank you!

[red schooner]

But for 1 minute, I can just send that while the guilds crafting gremlin emerges from whatever cave he lives in

[balmy condor]

Ye

I remember one time seriallos DM’d me cause I was running a bunch of sims from a CL

[red schooner]

[balmy condor]

And I was responsible for a full 10% of all sims ran that day

[red schooner]

Only 10℅? We can go higher

[azure dirge]

[balmy condor]

I definitely could’ve

But he was like

Dawg you good?

And I was like yep just having to test my scripts

And he went yep seems reasonable carry on

[red schooner]

Making a mental note to increase your premium fees

[balmy condor]

Accounts flagged as TC’s used to get premium for free

Dunno if that’s true anymore

I pay my sub like a good moral upstanding tax payer

Maybe it was just for simc devs specifically or something idk

[spice surge]

Im just spamming my guilds account

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[spice surge]

Which is sometimes really annoying since i cant find a sim i did a while ago since somebody went hard on simming droptimizers for their 7th alt

and clogged up all of the history

[balmy condor]

See I don’t have that issue

Because I don’t have anything to sim on this spec

[spice surge]

They nerfed the stone trinket

[nova aspen]

[red schooner]

[balmy condor]

What if I just put it in the bis list anyway

Cause trinket tuning is gonna change another 35 times before the end of August anyway

Maybe

Idk

Given how shit this ptr cycle was maybe they just let the patch rot

Some half-assed tuning for the first two weeks and then abandon it

I have no evidence or anything to support it, but based purely off of vibes and feel I think they’re actually a full 4 weeks of development behind where they should be at this point in the patch cycle

Which sounds insane when you think about each patch cycle being 8 weeks

Being an entire half patch behind is giga yikes

[dense fox]

Odd the Droptimizer says the "healing" neck item is the best. lol Fractured gemstone Locket. lol

[spice surge]

High chance of this

[balmy condor]

Droptimizer doesn’t take the embellishment limit into account, so items that come pre-embellished very commonly will look insanely good

But in reality it would be a 3rd embellishment, and you can’t do that obviously

[dense fox]

I see, so take with a grain of salt

[balmy condor]

I would just ignore all the pre-embellished items entirely

None of them are good

Like in the case that you craft the pre-embellished neck, ring, or dagger

There is a neck, ring, or dagger craft with an optional embellishment that is better

So in the case that you don’t have 2 embellishments, you would just use something else anyway

[dense fox]

I see. Thank you

[normal mist]

You're welcome

[balmy condor]

No, you’re welcome

We’re welcome

Our welcome

[nova aspen]

garfield welcomes u

[balmy condor]

Royal do you know the gender of your wife’s parasite yet

[normal mist]

Yes

You'd know too

IF YOU READ STAFF CHAT!

(jk)

It's a baby girl

[balmy condor]

[normal mist]

Rng gods blessed me

[balmy condor]

Idk maybe I read that at some point and forgor

Have terrible memory

Congrats :3

[normal mist]

Me too honestly

But for some reason I remember that one random guy posting the same question twice during a week

Selective stupid memory

[normal mist]

She's going to be named Leonor, and I'm so hyped to have her outside of her current dungeon

[grim jay]

Based

[grim jay]

Nice name

[normal mist]

Thanks homie 🙏

[grim jay]

Not as nice as her dad tho

But she will get there

[royal lantern]

name allready taken

[normal mist]

Ahahahahaha

[royal lantern]

try out Leonor426

[grim jay]

Fourtwosix is her middlename

Confirmed

[normal mist]

I gotta get her a nickname before she even thinks about it

[grim jay]

Thats for the best

[normal mist]

LeNoir, done

[grim jay]

But you cant fuck up leonor

Just let her call herself something with her name

[grim jay]

Thats actually quite cool

Or LeNuit

[normal mist]

Ahahaha

[grim jay]

Destined to become a rogue

[normal mist]

LeNutz

[grim jay]

Dang mate

Its your daughter

[normal mist]

So I should in fact be the first one to bully her

Gotta have her raise some mental walls

[royal lantern]

its your duty as a Father to say embarassing things in front of other children

[normal mist]

Oh you bet

You fucking bet

[quiet oar]

Does she have a second name

So you can scream like ROYAL DANIEL FLUX

[red schooner]

Have you bought your socks and sandals as well?

[normal mist]

We've been thinking about it but Not yet

[normal mist]

... No

[lean plover]

Donr forget light brown shorts with tons of pockets for your tons of keys

[normal mist]

I REJECT THE CURSE

[lean plover]

No one escapes the curse, embrace your destiny

[red schooner]

Its either that or crocs

Make your choice

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warcraft-illidan-wow-warcraft-demon-hunter-gif-16106343549423428874

[lean plover]

Lmfao

[normal mist]

Can't I just be the cool dad that always just wears black

[lean plover]

No, thats reserved for uncles only

[normal mist]

Fuck

Spoiler: I don't have a single t shirt that isn't black

Yes I suffer during summer

[red schooner]

Same, all my shirts are band shirts

[normal mist]

Mine are mostly plain simple

[grim jay]

I have the exact same shirt for the gym 10 times

And its black

[normal mist]

Like a man

https://tenor.com/view/guy-posing-muscle-posing-man-wearing-headphones-muscles-gym-guy-gif-3115837089144571070

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-hogan-flex-flexes-flexing-wwe-gif-13189000

(rip brother)

[umbral sigil]

Anyone elses trinket/prepot macros break last night?

[prisma cypress]

prepot?

[umbral sigil]

tempered potion

[normal mist]

We haven't prepot since mop(?)

[umbral sigil]

I just call it a prepot because Im used to just calling it a prepot. Im asking if anyones tempered potion or trinket macros stopped working

[normal mist]

What isn't working, only the potion?

[umbral sigil]

potion and trinket werent firing

[pliant remnant]

postprepot

[umbral sigil]

a couple guildmates said the same in raid

[normal mist]

Copy paste the macro

And send a video of it not popping

[umbral sigil]

Welp, I dont have a video from last night but the same exact macro is working now so nvm i guess lol

I swear im not crazy, other people were saying they had to use their trinkets manually

[normal mist]

No worries

Good that it is working again

[umbral sigil]

[royal lantern]

yeha sure

not crazy

[red schooner]

No crazier than the rest of us

[royal lantern]

the voices told me im normal

[devout hazel]

yo guys 1 question

if i alredy do very high dps

where do i check lime high min max guides

[royal lantern]

wowhead

[devout hazel]

do we have a big excel or something where a rank 1 rogue put what to do in every situation?

[normal mist]

No

There's lorgs website

[devout hazel]

im just bored at work, and want to read

about my class rotation

[balmy condor]

The things you do is pray for fast kill time and carry 5 sales so you can pad adds

[devout hazel]

i just finde every guide, that are made for new players

[balmy condor]

I mean there’s really not much to it

[normal mist]

One of the hardest things to do in this game is doing your rotation + wasd

[balmy condor]

Like what kind of info are you looking for

[prisma cypress]

parse culture is a disease

[balmy condor]

It’s legit just pad and kill faster 99% of the time

And the other 1% of the time it’s like not greeding for uptime or having dogshit assignments

Like if you’re assigned a gaol on mug’zee, good fucking luck lmao

[devout hazel]

i have some questions

that i didnt know what to do in certain situation

[balmy condor]

Like which

[devout hazel]

when the whole pack in a m+ is at 10%, and tempest is like 2-4 seconds to end, it is worth to reapply another one at 2 or 3 combo points?

same question with any other rupture

[balmy condor]

No because 2 or 3 is less than 5

[devout hazel]

but crimson tempest it does not more damaga for combo points

it just have more time in it

[pliant remnant]

deathstalker's mark, brother

[devout hazel]

= more damage

[balmy condor]

Correct, all finishers do the same dps per combo point

[devout hazel]

but if the pack is about to die a 2 combo point tempest will apply for the time

the adds have yo die

it is that worth to do

or should i keep shuriken envenom

even with no tempest

sry bad english

im from south america

[balmy condor]

You shouldn’t reapply tempest if they’re not going to live 6-8 seconds

[devout hazel]

so in 10 15 percent

it will not be worth to reapply

[balmy condor]

Depends on what 10-15% is

[devout hazel]

in normal trash

[balmy condor]

That’s entirely dependent on your key and the other dps

[devout hazel]

yea it dependa i know

[balmy condor]

But sure whatever

[quiet oriole]

If the tank is doing his job you should rarely have to worry about low health trash. (Chain pulling)

[devout hazel]

the question is if i should reapply or not

[balmy condor]

This is kinda the most nothing min-max

[whole snow]

Is fatebound viable next season

[devout hazel]

you tell me its not worth if they are going to die in 6 seconds

[whole snow]

That spec is so cool! Flipping coins and doing cosmic damage!

[balmy condor]

Like you have sudden demise, technically it’s not worth but actually who cares

[balmy condor]

Definitely not in current state

[devout hazel]

but if in the moment i have 2 combo points and pack is about to die i should not apply it

and keep with shuriken + envenom

[balmy condor]

I feel like I just answered this

[nova aspen]

[main bridge]

[devout hazel]

another situation is, if one add is missing a rupture in a pack when i alredy got my 5 stack of the rupture buff in other targets

should i get that add with rupture, or i shouldn t care

[golden loom]

5 is max scent value

[balmy condor]

You can’t get more scent stacks and you have all the energy you need

What would you get out of another rupture

[devout hazel]

but rupture itself will not do a lot of damage if all the adds have it?

[deft shard]

Its not Orth with sudden death ?

[devout hazel]

it more adds with rupture in it

[balmy condor]

Yeah but you know what does more damage?

An envenom caustic spattering

[balmy condor]

No

[deft shard]

Okay

[whole snow]

Does anyone know why rogue has no patch notes for the entire expansion

[devout hazel]

if the tank is gathering pack i could take the time to do it, thats fine right?

[balmy condor]

Bruh

[golden loom]

perfectly balanced class with 0 issues

[devout hazel]

i ll do that to all adds, try to get garrote and rupture in the whole pack

before is all together

[main bridge]

It doesn’t have a lot but zero is false

[whole snow]

Can’t believe blizzard forgot to give the dev team true sight to see the stealth

[sterile swallow]

Cocoa you just made me double take on what discord I had open.

[whole snow]

What can I say I like rogue too

[balmy condor]

Sure I guess if the tank is gathering the adds and the adds are not in spatter range and you envenoming wouldn’t hit stuff and it’s 3:47 on a Wednesday and mercury is in retrograde and you’re wearing blue but it’s cloudy outside

Go for it

Dot stuff

Whatever

[sterile swallow]

Was just a “wait I thought I was on the rogue channels”. You can tell I agree with rogues being cool as well.

[whole snow]

What is assassination but unholy with daggers

[oak jungle]

someone pay this man for his comedy act! @balmy condor 🤣

[sterile swallow]

Better combo points

[main bridge]

Do I rupture the adds if it’s also raining outside? I need maximum dps for my vault keys

[balmy condor]

I mean all of this is actually just so pointless

[golden loom]

classic assassination experience dot com

[devout hazel]

bruh

[balmy condor]

Spread improved garrote if you have improved garrote, get max scent, crimson tempest, pound town biggest baddest fucker in the pack with envenoms

It’s not hard

[tight ginkgo]

ackshually since we use daggers there are at least two points involved

QED not pointless

[whole snow]

Demolished

[tight ginkgo]

[normal mist]

Bunch of gamers in here

[pliant remnant]

Actually it's not pointless because bro has perfected every global he ever presses down to counting specific seconds and predicting all party members' future damage output in a given time span

He just needs to know

if he should press CT

!!!!!!!

[devout hazel]

its not a bad question because sometimes tank gather one pack of 5 targets, i get all the dots on them, and then i see another pack of 3 coming

i do not start to hit the pack, but i get the dots on the other 3

and then get back on the pack

is that ok or should i not give a fuck

and just hit the 5 pack

because i got all of my rupture stacks

on them

[balmy condor]

Like I get you’re trying to giga min max but you gotta understand the situations you’re proposing are:

1. Not where you’re going to be getting more damage from
2. Not happening frequently
3. Don’t have an obvious insane gain

[golden loom]

if you already have dots on first pack and ur already spattering a target there

u stick on it

cause the pack walking in will also get boomed

[spice spire]

No that’s for warriors

[balmy condor]

You bleed until you have max scent and then you bang envenoms

[golden loom]

instead of useless low dam dots

[balmy condor]

Don’t overthink it

No scent? Rupture

Scent? Envenom

[devout hazel]

kk

[balmy condor]

All problems solved

[devout hazel]

y

that was it

noted

[spice spire]

That seems a bit extreme

Why would I have sex with an envenom

[whole snow]

Ngl it’s gonna be interesting when they start reworking other classes to be ret paladin

They did it with DK this patch

Wonder when it happens to rogue

[spice spire]

🚫

[balmy condor]

Idk every now and then you gotta treat yourself to a lil jar of rat poison and pretend you’re a cat that got into the fancy feast ya know what I mean

[whole snow]

Make fan just divine storm

Easy

[spice spire]

No I don’t please explain

[deft shard]

I just vanish to re apply fast

[tight ginkgo]

my liason with envenom was the least toxic relationship of my life on god

[devout hazel]

thats what i do

but whyspyr told me to get only 5 rupture

and start blasting

[whole snow]

envenom
non toxic
Make it make sense

[deft shard]

And i take 2 vanish + silence garrot if i dont know the tank

[devout hazel]

another question in two targets should i reapply garrote 5 second before the other finishes, so my cooldown get backs to reapply to my main target

[balmy condor]

Okay so rat poison is poisonous right, so that’s a play on envenom and assassination rogue. But I’m describing how to eat it in order to add imagery, and the imagery is that of a cat with a lil tub of fancy feast, and fancy feast is wet cat food that’s super expensive, cats famously eat that shit up all messy style, but the name “fancy” feast kinda makes it sound like you’re sitting there at candle light in a nice restaurant just slowly enjoying your little thing of rat poison, and that’s where the fun part of the joke is, in this mental imagery you wove while reading

[deft shard]

Because they sont know how to play with rog..

[devout hazel]

you are saying that whispyr is wrong

[balmy condor]

Yeah you can, that’s in pandemic

So that’s fine

[devout hazel]

cool

[deft shard]

One time my dog was presumee to die because of hearhl problem. Her dumbass eat rat poison and that healed her?? So rat poison >>>

[balmy condor]

[devout hazel]

in single target we have a dot that applies with mutilate right

[balmy condor]

Did they throw up because of the rat poison or something

[devout hazel]

i dont remember the name

[balmy condor]

Doomblade yeah

[devout hazel]

but it ends every 5-6 seconds?

should i mutilate the second target also and then tab envenom the main target

to reapply that

[balmy condor]

Hell no

[devout hazel]

it was just something i notices i dont do that

[deft shard]

It was stomach problem, i dont remember very well but i think ut purified her stomach xd

[spice surge]

You should absolutely get rid of trash debuffs like doomblade

from your plater

Literally no reason to see those

[devout hazel]

why do i see rank 1 players do all the cds then double mutilate

instesd of building combo points before cds

to get more envenoms inside the vendetta and shiv

[spice surge]

They use envenom right before

Like you should

[devout hazel]

why is that?

[deft shard]

Because they got pi

[balmy condor]

Envenom before stacks Kingsbane faster

You want to start stacking Kingsbane as soon as possible

[lean plover]

whispyr are u okay? did you put rat poison in your coffee?

[balmy condor]

God I wish

[lean plover]

Papi whispyr sad, we all sad

[devout hazel]

kk so doing that is completely fine

[balmy condor]

I’m always sad

[balmy condor]

Doing what exactly

[lean plover]

thats because water doesnt sponsor you

[deft shard]

Sasuke??

[devout hazel]

doing the envenom right before sending cds

[balmy condor]

You should be doing that, yes

It’s a dps gain

Not doing it is a problem

[devout hazel]

in m+ talents when you dont have kingsbane, should i do what i said in the start

getting full combo points before my shiv

[balmy condor]

If you don’t have kingsbane you just skip the envenom

Cause there’s no point

[spice surge]

By the sounds of it you are vastly overcomplicating the spec in your head. Its literally keep 5 stacks up scent up > keep ct up > do the burst rotation like it says in the guides > slam envenoms onto the caustic target

[balmy condor]

You just go straight into CDs after getting bleeds up

[deft shard]

Isnt ir writed in your rotation/entry guide in wowhead anyway? I remember doint it because of that

[balmy condor]

Yes but apparently that’s just guide for noobs or something

[devout hazel]

i came here with other situation and keep asking questions

[balmy condor]

I don’t remember at this point this convo is a fever dream

[devout hazel]

disnt checked it again