#assassination

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zenith elm
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i have a chocolate cake for today

normal mist
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Hello hello

sick aspen
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Anyone done underpin as assassination lately and what build did you use?

wary pawn
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how is assa in particular and rogue in general looking for s3 raiding?

subtle tundra
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doesnt look

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watches...

royal lantern
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how are we supposed to know the future

runic hinge
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hard to tell, theres a lot of tuning to be done still

wary pawn
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hope its not awful :X only class i enjoy

red schooner
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It won't be awful

subtle tundra
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then play it

runic hinge
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if you're not rwf you can play whatever you want

subtle tundra
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rogue is never awful

red schooner
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They normally get all classes close enough to each other

red schooner
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I'll have you know

sick aspen
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none of you wonderful sinners have done underpin?

balmy condor
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you just take a raid build

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the fight is incredibly straight forward

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it's just long

quiet oar
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Oh yeah Underpin

royal lantern
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and make a keybind for the interact command

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cus clicking bombs is pain

sick aspen
# balmy condor you just take a raid build

ah fair nuff, just thought I'd check there wasn't some fatebound shennanagins since I think you were saying it was only good in single target or if that just applied to s3

balmy condor
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it's like 1% better right now

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and unplayable next patch

subtle tundra
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šŸ˜¤

sick aspen
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that sucks, sounded like you proposed some pretty reasonable fixes to make it not dead

night cipher
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anyone with a picture of the new tier pieces stats and values ? I want to budget stats and check off-tier piece thanks

red schooner
balmy condor
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wowhead's database has all the items

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but that seems

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really whack lmao

subtle tundra
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(gets some mythic ring first vault and makes everything planned irrelevant)

balmy condor
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I'm sure it's incredibly well thought out and they have accounted for reasonable things

subtle tundra
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much easier to make a flawless plan than just pressing 3 buttons to sim

runic hinge
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Much easier to feel craft and just equip ilvl and then whatever anywhere else

jade abyss
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Dont equip anything and raid naked o.o

night cipher
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Good help. Thanks. Must have some leftover poison in your coffees

bronze pike
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Outlaw is going crazy

red schooner
grim jay
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They saved you time

winged sun
normal mist
midnight mist
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i will reuse that ty

marsh fjord
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For next tier

normal mist
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Oh. Tbf it does indeed not matter yeah

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Since we like all stats + sim city

marsh fjord
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It doesnā€™t but responding like some people did was indeed giving a sour taste šŸ˜…

midnight mist
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stupid

normal mist
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Maybe it would matter more if he asked in outlaw or sub

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maybe

midnight mist
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@balmy condor ty for showing me the way king

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earnest remnant
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back when zac was 15

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ong

midnight mist
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Lol

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I was uh

earnest remnant
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13 mb

midnight mist
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21?

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Wtf I'm so old

earnest remnant
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damn u boomer ass

midnight mist
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I was clueless at 21 that's crazy

fresh kelp
midnight mist
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Yeee

earnest remnant
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ive still got 3 more years until its truly joever

red schooner
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I'm over 30, its already joever

midnight mist
drifting cloud
earnest remnant
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got too many issues to count with my body

red schooner
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I already had heart issues before 30, rip

subtle tundra
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@midnight mist are you happy with outlaw in next patch

midnight mist
# subtle tundra <@352916297262301194> are you happy with outlaw in next patch

It's worse than in s2, the st is very meh, the AOE is nothing to write home about, the prio is even worse than the st
But it's ok I have had worse outlaw seasons
Gameplay wise the new ks is legitimately worse than old one appart that it doesn't kill you
All the trickster awkwardness on basically every node is starting to get old and annoying
It's weirdly rng cause of 1 point in fth which doesn't feel good
But it's ok I think it's still my favorite outlaw iteration (if you ignore no acro)

subtle tundra
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wall of text alert

midnight mist
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you asked fuck you

jaunty sky
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zac do i play sub so i have to use my brain or do i stay assa for brain off bleed

subtle tundra
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you rude ass

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ill have you fingered

midnight mist
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Did you read then

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Did you enjoy the text

subtle tundra
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ill never enjoy anything outlaw related

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dumbass

midnight mist
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Wtfff

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Bro it was litteraly hand crafted for you only

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Custom made

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..

subtle tundra
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ok

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i didnt hate it

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so take that as a win

midnight mist
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Nice basegcat

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Thanks

midnight mist
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You do what you want

grim jay
iron carbon
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Hello boyz

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How are you going on this rainy day?

subtle tundra
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i wish it was rainy

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it is colder today! only 36 degrees

winged sun
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not bad its 40 here

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celcius

bronze pike
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Also same age

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Pog

iron carbon
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19Ā°c, only water falling down the sky

bronze pike
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I have a house and a dog and I still feel like I canā€™t function like a normal adult holy fuck

iron carbon
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28, owning my appartement and still living like a teenager

bronze pike
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I did notice

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Iā€™m more upsetti about grocery prices now a days

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Progress? Am I finally evolving into an adult?

red schooner
lean plover
bronze pike
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My rat dog

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Living potato dog

red schooner
bronze pike
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If this dog could play wow it would be a outlaw main

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I love her

red schooner
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I love her too, she's precious

bronze pike
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She 11

red schooner
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Still a baby

bronze pike
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Booble

midnight mist
# lean plover is the st/prio that bad even after buffs? thought it would improve

It's better than before of course, but outlaw has always been a spec that did very high St in keys, and rn it seems to be under instead of being ahead like every season
Even when outlaw is terrible like it was in s1, it still did the most st really
Prio gets worse cause ks is rng damage instead of on your target for some obscure reason

lean plover
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I see, thanks

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Is it bad st in raid too?

midnight mist
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No idea

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It's hard to jauge raid we haven't done any for like 5 weeks

velvet cairn
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like if a fight is with lots of uptime outlaw could be a good choice

normal mist
velvet cairn
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but idk above 1k is prob fine to do w/e u like and enjoy/is the best at

quiet oar
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Even 300+

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You can argue for Hall of Fame

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depending also on how many days you raid

velvet cairn
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yeah as a first time hof enjoyer, we didnt really get any enrage tight timings so dmg is never the deciding factor

quiet oar
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And Rogue almost never is the tipping point

velvet cairn
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but like some fights eg mugzee early the execute from assa was prefered in my guild, same on oab

quiet oar
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But stuff like Affli/Destro instead of Demo on Stix/Bandit is a thing

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But Rogue almost never is the tipping point like i said

velvet cairn
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i think if your more comfortable and can do mechancis better on one spec better than others its surly the pick

quiet oar
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Yes

normal mist
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Me, a never mythic raider, agrees

quiet oar
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But you are a mythical Raider of my heart

normal mist
prisma cypress
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the whole question of whatā€™s ā€œviableā€ has become such a pet peeve of mine, as has people saying something ā€œdoesnā€™t matter unless youā€™re top [x]ā€

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thereā€™s whatā€™s optimal, and then there are varying degrees of suboptimal

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thatā€™s it

spice surge
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A lot of people use viable=optimal

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So its a bit oof

ocean ore
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hey there

viral axle
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hey im new to assa rogue and just wanted to ask something regarding thistle tea. when you get below 100 energy should i just afk in order not to proc a thistle tea and save it for my shiv

spice surge
viral axle
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okay thank you

iron carbon
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Classic hybrid / Bleeds perform the best in pug experience

ocean ore
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i have seeing a lot of top world rogues playing with it in raider io, the single target isnt trash? still worth use it?

royal lantern
iron carbon
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Are you a top world assa rogue playing with a team and with specific needs?

ocean ore
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not the one i link in first case

iron carbon
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Trust us brother

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So your question is weird ^^

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If top player use it, it's cause the ST isn't trash

royal lantern
iron carbon
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Bleeds is the go to

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Hybrid if you don't like bleeds / keys are hight enough to have a target living 20 sec after aplying dot

ocean ore
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i will go to it so

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haha

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just trying to understand

weary stump
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Play what you enjoy and do best rotationally on for pugs, the dh is gonna over pull and brick the key anyways

ocean ore
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saw that wierd build in a brazilian rogue

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xd

iron carbon
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!builds

prisma monolithBOT
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Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

  1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
  2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

  • Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
  • Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
  • Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
  • Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.
iron carbon
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Didn't want to look rude btw

ocean ore
iron carbon
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tl:dr
Bleeds good normal pulls and overall damages
Hybrid more or less same if targets live long enough and go higher on big pull
Cleave/Zeross (First you linked) big ST and bigger is the pull, bigger it deals damages

ocean ore
iron carbon
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I go hybrid in my own case

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Cuz I don't like bleeds

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And I play with a premade tank that bring lot of stuff on bosses

ocean ore
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some pugs are afraid to bring adds to bosses

iron carbon
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This game is so toxic, they don't want to test thing

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Or theyndon't trust others

pure moth
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I wish I had a pre made for this reason. Damage is just so inconsistent cuz pugging

iron carbon
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I wish i had 4 premades

prisma cypress
iron carbon
royal lantern
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its really rare that stuff is tuned so badly that you literally cant touch it outside of the absolute highest level of gameplay lol

prisma cypress
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but when you say not playable, what do you mean

royal lantern
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that your spec choice will actually make a difference bettwen managing something or not

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cus 99,9% of the time its not based on your spec/talent/whatever choice, but its people doing mistakes in general gameplay lol

prisma cypress
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i donā€™t think itā€™s ever happened

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that something is so bad that it single-handedly prevents your group from killing a boss even with optimal play from everyone involved

drifting cloud
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eh you can find some examples

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theyre just not super realistic

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like for example gl beating sludgefist enrage with 4 assa rogues before aura buffs

prisma cypress
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iā€™m not familiar with that example

earnest remnant
drifting cloud
hoary remnant
prisma cypress
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when did it happen?

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something being ā€œharderā€ with spec A than with spec B doesnā€™t mean spec A isnā€™t a viable option, it just means itā€™s not optimal

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most classes and specs in the game arenā€™t the optimal choice for any given boss

spring oar
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i really dont understand how to achieve decent ST dps with bleed build. Trying to keep energy > 150 leads to less dps than spamming envenom and that is still garbagte

spice surge
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Have adds ontop of the boss

prisma cypress
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you donā€™t do decent ST, thatā€™s normal

spice surge
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The 150 thing can pretty much be ignored, its only if you dont have shiv up, dont need to refresh bleeds or have darkest night up

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So its insanely rare

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But also even with the cleave FI build your ST is still not good

royal lantern
spice surge
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Assa just doesnt have good ST in keys unless you have funnel

midnight mist
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I mean it was ok in s2

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Def not like s1 st

spice surge
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Ye sure, its better than s1

marsh fjord
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Do you guys think with a premade next season doing 10s in the first week induction build is worth it or still bleed I think things are quite tanky

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And envenom is also buffed

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Iā€™m not to sure

hoary remnant
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If your running havoc and arcane play bleed

marsh fjord
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Brew/resto shaman/me/MM hunter/feral

spice surge
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From what i could tell theres pretty much no difference compared to now

marsh fjord
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Thats what we running

spice surge
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Ye CT does less, but garrote and rupture does more, so it kinda evens out regarding bleed vs not-bleed

marsh fjord
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Yeah I think I will just have to do see how longs things are living for

hoary remnant
marsh fjord
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both builds are fun to me

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I just like to be optimized

hoary remnant
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Best thing to do if you really wanna prepare

fresh kelp
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With a comp like that

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I think we died like 30 times to bosses in top and still timed it

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Bosses sometimes scary tho

marsh fjord
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Yeah I was thinking the same

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Thanks guys

normal mist
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You're welcome man

marsh fjord
normal mist
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Like they should

raw marlin
half tartan
stuck knoll
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Thatā€™s the difference of 1-3 ping so shrugFreg

half tartan
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I think I have spell queue at 250 which I thought spell queue eliminated this issue?

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Or is there some that you cannot do anything about, thats the real question.

Is my spell queueing incorrect and theres a player/setting issue? Or is there some level of loss that is unavoidable.

golden loom
earnest remnant
glad osprey
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For st in keys

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What should my rotation even look like?

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Is it worth to vanish and use ambushes or is that basically just the same as mutilate

coral ibex
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the same

glad osprey
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and also is CT worth it in st

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assuming not like last season but idk i havent been up to date

coral ibex
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i think thats in the guide

golden loom
glad osprey
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Yea i am playing the bleed build

golden loom
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next patch maybe not since CT is getting nerfed so who knows but atleast until then u should CT in ST

glad osprey
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And what about when to vanish

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is it just to reapply improved garrote during your cd

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or is it worth it to use ambush as a builder

golden loom
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nah ambush and mutilate are effectively the same button

spice spire
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Not worth to ambush as a builder

golden loom
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but u vanish during deathmark yeah

glad osprey
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yeah thats what i thought šŸ˜­

spice spire
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Can get real cute with dm and get the thicccccc executes

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With ma

glad osprey
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this is what im running

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iron wire instead of 2nd shiv because im crest farming and groups dont kick like a bunch of idiots

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my st feels horrid tho like actually horrid

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im playing a worse feral druid rn

spice spire
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Yeah essentially

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Feral good this tier

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We have good aoe but dog st in keys

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Good st in raid

glad osprey
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yea yea feral is going to be my main even next season but i kinda miss my rogue so i think im going to roll it as my main alt

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i had a lot of fun playing it last season

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its kinda changed tho like last season i dont remember the st being this bad in keys it IRKS me

spice spire
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It was pretty bad last season ngl

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Iā€™ve avoided warrior prison next tier so I live to rogue another tier

fallow canopy
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One of us

spice spire
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For now

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Idk how many tiers our warrior tank can be there the first five weeks (heā€™s usually just there every other week)

tight ginkgo
spice spire
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Fear absolved

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Surely they rework warrior going into midnights

tight ginkgo
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im sure they will and it will perform too good at adds on the first raid and then it will be deadge again time is a flat circle garf_sit

spice spire
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Iā€™m eventually going to be trapped in that hell unless we recruit a warrior (havenā€™t recruited since inception)

humble verge
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jesus christ, ive never sweat this much at the gym in a while garf_sit

royal lantern
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  • its what the average warrior plays like anyway
static glacier
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yo can we have a new sin pin just so I have some kinda feeling that things are happening

spice spire
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Havenā€™t had one in a week Damn

static glacier
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im suffering withdrawals here

visual sun
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next sin pin when prepatch to midnight hits

static glacier
royal lantern
real pike
coral ibex
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huge

spice spire
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Yw

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I got it in 3

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Lowkey pissed

tawny geyser
coral latch
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hey guys, is it a dps increase to remove the Darkest Night buff when stealthing in between packs ?
since i've noticed that if i carry the buff with me to the new pack, my marks doesn't proc on 5 combo points and i need a full 7 combo points attack to regain it

spice surge
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No, the crit and damage buff on the envenom is worth more

coral latch
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so we just build up to 7 and then send

spice surge
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Yes you always send a 7cp envenom when darkest night is up

coral latch
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Cool thanks mate!

runic hinge
spice spire
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Haha buddy Iā€™ll give you six

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šŸ˜¼

runic hinge
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6 what!

spice surge
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Dollars

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hes a generous man

runic hinge
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very

coral ibex
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runic hinge
glossy grove
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Arre there already tierlists for rogue speccs for n3ext season?

main bridge
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tierlists are not ever to be taken seriously, especially not while the PTR is still up

glossy grove
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alright

runic hinge
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Also like tuning isn't done or even close yet so any tier list you see is extremely wack

spice spire
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Donā€™t let them gaslight you I got the tier list ready,
Assassination is S+
Sub is B
Outlaw is F
Hope this helps

runic hinge
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outlaw F-

deep gyro
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Na outlaw is uninstall tier

spice spire
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Oh mb thanks boys

deep gyro
ember mural
humble verge
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we love outdpsing 30 ilvls under the mage

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pliant remnant
main bridge
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Yep thatā€™s frost for ya

winged quail
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frost mages are blacklisted from my keys, they are never human

runic hinge
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the bones

spice spire
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Stay woke

humble verge
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this key was a psf as well

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šŸ˜­

prisma cypress
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i like frost but itā€™s obsolete

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being the ā€œ2T cleave kingā€ isnā€™t a thing anymore when every class now does a bunch of cleave for free

static glacier
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frost does still have some funnel, good prio dmg in general

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mage just seems to have a lot of incompetent players on it that struggle to do dps

main bridge
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Clearly not everyone can grasp the acuity of portal magic

hearty seal
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ngl I'm not playing mage because I'm not smart enough to play mage well (survivability-wise) and I recognize that

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damage is fine, but having to actually think about survival rather than hitting Feint with Elusiveness and shuffling out of circles underfoot is too much

royal lantern
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bruh, if dmg happens in the next 30seconds, press barrier or mirror images

hearty seal
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sometimes that's not enough
meanwhile Feint is like
15 seconds CD and you can press it again if you somehow fuck that up
and evasion
and CLoS

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minmaxing alter time effectiveness will get me killed

waxen oyster
hearty seal
spice surge
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Or play not assassination

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Sub and outlaw are both significantly tankier than assa

hearty seal
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well, I already don't die as Assa (as long as I know what the mechs are, of course)

waxen oyster
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I mean

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AMS is just better than cloak

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in most scenarios

devout hazel
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whats the talents

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for ptr?

waxen oyster
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Changing talents would imply the spec got changes

hearty seal
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don't think anything changed

waxen oyster
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Your cds do a bit more

hearty seal
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like some numbers got shuffled around but they aren't gonna change builds AFAIK, and Assa set is just "gotta have two shiv charges, yep"

waxen oyster
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congrats

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doesnt the set bonus buff dry shivs even more

ruby birch
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Yo whatā€™s up poison dudes

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I know you guys got the ins at blizz balance team so when you hit them up for that seasonal assa buff, can you do a fellow rogue a favour and ask for like 4-5 more black powder buffs alongside your buffs

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Thanks so much guys

hearty seal
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what +% are we talking here

ruby birch
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The balance team will know, just a couple more of whatever % and it will finally replace eviscerate

hearty seal
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ok gotcha, 0.2% buff inc

loud light
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black powder in ST is the real goal

ruby birch
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Donā€™t say that out in public

shy axle
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just a small 50% bp buff for st usage pepe_chad

lean plover
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double it and give it to mage

zinc vale
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yo guys which rogue spec u think is better for raid

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sub or sin

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for science

normal mist
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What raid

zinc vale
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11.2 i mean

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next tier

cedar fiber
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With the Hybrid build in M+ we do not use CT on Single Target but hold up Garrote?

normal mist
cedar fiber
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merci

normal mist
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It's ptr

waxen oyster
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learn both

normal mist
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They keep buffing stuff

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And nerfing stuff

waxen oyster
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if you dont raid hof

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it doesnt matter

normal mist
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And so far all 3 specs seem to have good fights for them

zinc vale
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Aight ty

lethal arrow
runic hinge
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Thereā€™s damage amps on some of the bosses so I think itā€™s likely to be sub

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Take that

tight ginkgo
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there's an hp bar meaning that damage will be an important element to defeating a boss encounter

normal mist
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False

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What if you need to HEAL that hp bar?!

main bridge
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Hell yeah bring back Temple of Sethraliss

normal mist
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Or ICC

spice spire
main bridge
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Gotemmmmmm

normal mist
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You're too kind

grave osprey
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Or sanguine depths

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Loved that dungeon as outlaw

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Will it be bleed or hybrid build for m+ next season?

normal mist
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Pedro c'mon

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You know better

thorn thorn
granite island
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!shiv

prisma monolithBOT
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Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

full summit
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i havent played rogue since like week 1 of season 2 what has changed and whats the best spec? or are all 3 strong?

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I'm currently in sin and was thinking about playing it >:)

grave osprey
normal mist
grave osprey
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Excellent

normal mist
full summit
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im scared

balmy condor
full summit
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im scared for my life (im prob gonna cook)

balmy condor
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what are you scared of

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spec hasn't changed since dragonflight

full summit
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i havent played rogue in a fat minute, i switched to maining mw and dh all season

balmy condor
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but it's the same

full summit
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yeah but i might've lost my touch </3

thorn thorn
balmy condor
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that was dragonflight

normal mist
full summit
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i was scared for no reason

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im outdpsing a 655 udk at 625 :D

normal mist
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It's because he's shit

waxen oyster
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We need an m+ gulag channel

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when someone mentions m+

normal mist
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Or he's literally afk

royal lantern
thorn thorn
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Not a bad idea

waxen oyster
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Just

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dont invite mages

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or evokers

normal mist
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Or rogues with a bad tmog

waxen oyster
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I havent seen another rogue with a good tmog ingame

thorn thorn
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Just dont invite randos

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Play with friends

royal lantern
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its literally the leather "male human paladin in T2" omegalul

waxen oyster
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Yeah i hate the darkfuse coat nowadays

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I just got it while it was abuseable

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due to fomo

normal mist
#

I have 0 rep towards it

#

Didn't like a bit

buoyant herald
#

Also passively insulting my mogs smh

thorn thorn
#

As an evoker player you arent inviting other evokers

buoyant herald
#

True

#

Ainā€™t room in this town for the both of us šŸ”«šŸ”«šŸ”«

marsh fjord
#

last week

main bridge
#

everyone getting their matrix coat

buoyant herald
#

I got it before the last nerf but itā€™s hard to make an actual GOOD mog with it

royal lantern
buoyant herald
#

Thatā€™s not just boring nothing personnel kid hijinks

radiant pine
#

Yo, we getting some cool class tuning later today perhaps?

buoyant herald
#

Doubt

compact glacier
#

!guide

prisma monolithBOT
stark matrix
#

I feel like I can't get this spec to perform for me in raid at all

balmy condor
#

would need to see logs

stark matrix
#

Prolly get some decent ones to look over next week

#

I know there's some things that after some thought/self analysis I think would help improve it besides some obvious things that I know I messed up

waxen oyster
thorn thorn
bitter sphinx
#

Yeah y'all, am I missing something? How are garroting this much in AOE with a 6s CD?

image.png
#

Is there a CD reset I'm not aware of?

balmy condor
#

improved garrote

static glacier
#

It has no cd with imp gar

#

During subterfuge

balmy condor
#

even without subterfuge

bitter sphinx
#

ah ty

runic hinge
#

If youā€™re not pressing garrote 12 times in a row playing imp garrote and subterfuge why even play assa

clever sparrow
#

Whats best weapon enchant transmog on daggers?

pliant remnant
#

guys what is the best transmog of all time

#

correct answers only please

gritty laurel
#

for daggers, i've been enjoying the green version of the random number perforator from undermine

marsh fjord
pliant remnant
marsh fjord
#

@balmy condor Sorry for the ping but can you remember from what raid boss daggers dropped? i can't seem to find it and PTR is not accesable at the moment for me

balmy condor
marsh fjord
#

Thank you bud!

balmy condor
#

np

thorn thorn
spice sentinel
swift escarp
#

guys, am I missing out a lot by macro Shiv and Tea?

thorn thorn
#

No

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Life is easier that way and its a negligable difference

vale shore
#

add lemonade to the tea for a nice Arnold Palmer

#

then macro it to shiv and make it /say "Arnold Palmer Alert! Arnie Palmies in-bound!"

rancid wind
#

Is it generally better to put the mouseover garrote/rupture on another keybinding or can I use something like
#showtooltip /cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead][] Garrote

craggy crown
#

With the 6 second rule for garrote and rupture for pandemic passive, do you guys follow the same 6 second left to refresh with crimson tempest as well? Not really seeing a anything in writing about it on any guides!

spice surge
#

!pandemic

prisma monolithBOT
#

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

spice surge
#

Its not quite 6 seconds, a 7cp rupture pandemic as deathstalker is way longer

#

But again, its just leeway, you can refresh it at anytime and its fine

#

So same with crimson tempest, just 30% of the duration

sage basin
#

Crimson Tempest does have some snapshotting though so, that's something to be aware of, it does more damage when you initially casted it to hit 5 vs. recasting and it hit 1 target

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In that case, you'd let it expire

craggy crown
#

Is assas. gonna play very different next patch? Haven't looked much into PTR notes yet since I just started gearing my rogue up this week

spice surge
#

Literally no changes to gameplay

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And tierset doesnt change much

sage basin
#

No, hero talent cycle just goes a bit faster with tier but, rotation is the same

spice surge
#

A lot of the time you end up needing to use shiv with darkest night up anyway so you dont even use the 4p effect

#

The set is just kinda cheeks

marsh fjord
#

We only have also aura increases and i dont think anything will change it's to close to the patch.

#

I really dont get why they gave us a longer shiv on a tier set šŸ˜„

#

makes no sense at all lol

sage basin
#

You think they know how to play rogue? When they showcased one button rotation still using Slice and Dice? Lol

marsh fjord
#

I dont think they know anything kekman

novel star
#

cause of the part where shiv increases ds dam

#

it is lazy tho

#

but whatev

spice surge
#

I mean the DS effects getting buffed is kinda cool

#

Moreso buffing the amplifiers being cool, rather than the flat damage part

marsh fjord
#

Yeah the DS effect is cool

#

the shiv however is so random lol

brazen pine
spice surge
#

Gear (in this case tier) buffing up talents or giving talents is imo very interesting and fun, like the legendary ring in legion that gave you a specific talent

#

Like having a trinket that buffed your right or left capstone talent(s) specifically would be way more interesting than Agi+mastery on-use effect or mastery+agi on-use effect

brazen pine
# pliant remnant guys what is the best transmog of all time

For me, Mythic Antorus without the helm and shoulders (and with the missing boots they finally put into the game,) or Bloodfang. But I am a bit of a traditionalist. Also the black trench coat as stated above. Everyone like to do their best Neo impression.

novel star
spice surge
novel star
#

hero talents getting a buff like what the tier gives is basically just an aura buff idk, thereā€™s no decisionmaking with hero talents so thereā€™s no ability for tier to impact a decision

#

abysmal dogshit

novel star
spice surge
#

Theyve "diablofied" other aspects of wow but this bit with somewhat more interesting gearing has seemingly eluded them

dusk palm
#

the wowhead ST build doesn't take subterfuge. does that mean if ambush isn't your first global, you just lose the fight

fresh kelp
#

it also doesnt take any talents that interact with stealth so you can freely vanish to apply it if you forget without losing much damage (i.e. essentially 0 except the loss from delaying cds a global or whatever)

frozen glacier
#

any one else up garfing they shit

snow hamlet
main bridge
thorn thorn
amber brook
haughty flicker
balmy condor
#

you press vanish1 and vanish off that

#

I see

#

I'm behind again

subtle kiln
keen spruce
real comet
#

!macros

#

!shiv

prisma monolithBOT
#

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

polar rampart
worthy rose
#

racial as a human would be hilarious

#

pop deathmark potion and human racial + trinket

#

waste of a gcd

elfin flame
amber brook
#

We love to remove stuns

novel star
royal lantern
bright tartan
red schooner
spice spire
quiet oar
raw marlin
#

Morning chat

quiet oar
#

Morning Chad

raw marlin
quiet oar
#

Real and true

#

You would be disturbed

raw marlin
#

well yeah but that is because i like the sound of silence when playing games on my own

#

But I am Indestructible, so I will not break even when my pugs stand Inside the fire šŸ˜‰

quiet oar
#

Playing in Pugs is like saying Hello to the Darkness, my friend

raw marlin
#

as an ex DH.. noone actually stands in the darkness, my friend

quiet oar
#

Thats because of the Decadence, they dont even value Help anymore

raw marlin
quiet oar
#

I mean depending where you live, they are American Idiots

raw marlin
#

I dont want to be an american idiot

#

honestly.. wake me up when september ends as I am going on Holiday

quiet oar
#

I hate to break it to you, but thinking Rogue will be meta next tier is like walking on Boulevard of Broken Dreams

raw marlin
#

well I am paranoid but rogue is mine so I tell you Mama, I'm coming home!

subtle tundra
quiet oar
#

Yeah im out of puns now

nova kelp
#

context - edited for release confirmation?

#

hopefully

#

oh shit, my dates were way off, it's feb or march, fuck me we're going to be waiting a while

quiet oar
#

Bro are you good

nova kelp
#

I thought the midnight reveal was so much sooner

#

so nah not really

#

big cry

quiet oar
#

Reveal is in August

#

at Gamescom

balmy condor
#

Just in time for 11.2 to be playable

#

Guides are due next week btw

#

What the fuck am I supposed to do about that

#

Half the specs are doing >6 mil

#

And the other half is doing <5 mil

#

????????

#

0 trinket tuning as well

#

Just btw

#

This patch is so fucked

brazen pine
#

IDK, just make it up.
I assume Blizzard will just adjust stuff to make it worthless approximately 30 seconds after they get posted.

balmy condor
#

Thatā€™s how this usually goes yeah

#

5 pieces of tier, reshi cloak and boots

brazen pine
#

The whole guide should just be "check the pins."

balmy condor
#

One on-use, one passive

#

And then just some crit/mast gear

nova kelp
#

yeah I'm not looking forward to this patch

balmy condor
#

If Iā€™m feeling myself Iā€™ll throw in a haste piece for fun

#

Copy paste rotation guide

#

Cause what the fuck am I supposed to do about that

#

Delete all mention of fatebound

#

Turn it in

#

Ggwp good patch

brazen pine
#

Sounds legit honestly.

nova kelp
#

bro you're going to get so many questsions about "optimsation of shiv"

quiet oar
#

Yeah im not hyped

#

about S3

#

coming in like 3 weeks

robust axle
#

Rogues in the bin, update guide to dead and gone

balmy condor
nova kelp
#

lol it won't stop peeps asking

#

although everyones probs going to gravitate to sub for a bit, realise they're not having fun and reroll hunter

balmy condor
#

ā€œHow do we dry shivā€
Hear me out right, insane tech, you justā€¦ press it with 1 stack HOLY which you couldā€™ve already done this patch HOLY itā€™s the same thing HOLY

brazen pine
#

Does it eat the Darkest Night, or just waste the shiv fast forwarding a charge of the deathstalkers mark?

balmy condor
#

It just doesnā€™t forward

#

I simmed it and it kinda didnā€™t matter all that much

brazen pine
#

Splitting hairs at that point. Just hit it at one an DN during the extended window.

balmy condor
#

If you eat a couple mark forwards here and there itā€™s like 0.3-0.4%

nova kelp
#

gross

balmy condor
#

Cause like just hitting it naturally youā€™re not going to troll it every shiv

nova kelp
#

even the only optimisation the set might give you some variance on is worth nothing

brazen pine
#

Makes sense.

nova kelp
#

this patch is big sad

balmy condor
#

and so like just ignoring it entirely youā€™re maybe missing like 2 forwards in 5 minutes

#

Which is

#

Not great

#

But also who cares

nova kelp
#

good thing that spriest got it's 43rd rework

brazen pine
#

Hey, I am swapping off my BDK to main Rogue. It definitely could be even worse.

#

For the first time since before shadowlands I am not maining a tank.

balmy condor
#

Iā€™m gonna be dead honest, Iā€™ve done basically 0 theorycrafting for the patch

#

When the tier sets got implemented I checked like 3-4 things

nova kelp
#

like what is there to do though

#

nothing changed

balmy condor
#

And then shrugged and went ā€œaight well nothing changed, Iā€™ll wait for tuningā€

#

And then there was no tuning

#

So I just kept waiting

#

And now guides are due next Friday

#

And Iā€™m like

brazen pine
#

"But aura buff!"

balmy condor
#

?????

brazen pine
#

you legit should just copy paste from last patch and call it a day

#

see if anyone notices

nova kelp
#

just put like a
11.2 update
Nothing changed
click here to go to the old info

balmy condor
#

I gotta change the tier pages and stuff at least

#

Or else my copy editor will throw a fit

brazen pine
#

I mean, yeah. But the rest can be a control c, control v.

balmy condor
#

Yeh pretty much

#

At least itā€™s not a lot of work

nova kelp
#

no wait wait

#

we did get a kinda change

brazen pine
#

imp garrotte coming back?

nova kelp
#

we got the opposite of what basically everyone wants, less bleed, more big envenom

balmy condor
brazen pine
#

I was asking if that was the chage they were referring to

balmy condor
#

If you played no imp gar in m+, you would still play no imp gar

brazen pine
#

I'm a simple man who doesn't do above 15s. I play bleed build and zug.

balmy condor
#

and itā€™s not back in raid

red schooner
nova kelp
#

oh shit, that was one thing I was going to ask you actually whispyr
with them pushing us FURTHER into envenom are we sticking to VV?

red schooner
#

I can save vanishes for mark fuckery

balmy condor
#

VV on deathstalker is good cause of the mark buff

nova kelp
#

I thought for a bit there you were thinking that MA might be slightly better within the raid no?

#

maybe I misunderstood

balmy condor
#

And the mark buff is more buff mark shiv buff good higher mutilate and mutilate buff bigger and buff ambush too so buff and more buff and then mark more during shiv and more mark during shiv is more vv during shiv is more nature damage good buff yes

#

Makes sense?

nova kelp
#

fuck me, who am I kidding, I'm probably just going to be playing sub until we get whatever the "its 2 months in we should probably do the obligatory sin change now" patch

balmy condor
#

I think imp gar is probably ā€œplayableā€ the same way fatebound on sprocket is ā€œplayableā€

#

But the VV spatter actually cranks

#

Itā€™s pretty sleeper

brazen pine
#

I meant more for M+ bleed build

#

but I get ya

nova kelp
#

lol fb sprocket, that dream died for me quick smart

balmy condor
brazen pine
#

Yeah, I know

#

I just meant you might consider that point in some version of the cleave M+ build since the change to CT and the rebalancing of the dmg profile of abilities

#

Probably not, but you could

balmy condor
#

But yeah if for some insane reason you need some huge condensed burst window on a boss like the dragon on salhadougsdaledimmadome or whatever then maybe imp gar, but I highly doubt it

balmy condor
quiet oar
#

What is this Fatebound you talking about

balmy condor
#

Bleed stuff with sudden demise is way too good for non-title keys

quiet oar
#

afaik Sin has only one Hero Tree

balmy condor
#

True

brazen pine
#

Lemme just huff my copium that some day I will have enough talent points to take iron wire and not hate myself for it

balmy condor
#

Just take out double shiv

#

And then shiv on cd like a monster

#

And pissvibe in vault keys

brazen pine
#

yeah, that was about half my season to be fair

runic hinge
#

im always pissvibing pboy

brazen pine
#

That's my secret Cap.
I'm always pissvibing.

balmy condor
#

Am I cooked for putting hot sauce and garlic powder into ranch dressing for my chicken sandwich

runic hinge
#

that sounds good

brazen pine
#

negative

#

you are doing it correctly

runic hinge
#

I'd eat that

balmy condor
#

It always feels weird putting shit into my ranch but itā€™s a banger

#

My best friend irl works for Clorox so I always feel like Iā€™m vaguely insulting him for making a shit bland ranch

#

Some of that shit is crazy btw

shy heron
#

Is that a bleach joke I'm not getting or something

balmy condor
#

Like they make lavender scented air fresheners, but lavender is allergenic, so they have to make a fake, Non-allergenic lavender

livid folio
#

Is Blizzard done with tuning? Or why hasnt anything happened the last few days?!

balmy condor
#

And then it doesnā€™t aerosolize

#

So they have to add some other shit to make it aerosolize better

#

Shit is WILD

shy heron
#

Oh! Is that why lavender scented things all smell different and nothing like lavender?

balmy condor
#

YAH

balmy condor
#

Just so happens that this ptr cycle is atrocious in comparison to regular

#

They are REALLY behind

quiet oar
#

Because they started it late

#

right?

hoary remnant
red schooner
#

I wonder if they'll delay the patch at all

quiet oar
#

I doubt that

livid folio
#

Sure feels Like itā€¦

hoary remnant
red schooner
#

(I'm hoping they do cos I'm at a festival the weekend before season starts and I'm gonna be dead the week after)

quiet oar
#

AInt gonna happen

#

They announced the dates

balmy condor
#

they didn't start late, they've been behind on everything since the start of dragonflight and it keeps getting worse

red schooner
#

4 days of camping needs like 5 days of staring into the void to recover

quiet oar
#

Changing it would result in people having their Vacation on the wrong date

balmy condor
#

they have a strict 8 week patch cycle that they couldn't keep up with during dragonflight

#

and every single patch they fall further and further behind

livid folio
#

Which was stupid to begin with

quiet oar
#

I mean

#

In Legion it worked

#

But Legion wasnt so overloaded

livid folio
#

Yeah well they had more people back in the day I suppose

quiet oar
#

and they probably had more people

hoary remnant
balmy condor
#

in legion it worked cause they had a full year of work pre-done because of hellfire citadel

runic hinge
#

legion also had more dev time at the start from stealing from wods dev time

quiet oar
#

True

balmy condor
#

hellfire citadel was deadass like a 60 week tier

runic hinge
#

with 0 other content

quiet oar
#

WE LOST SHATTRATH RAID FOR THAT

hoary remnant
#

Wow team is now bigger then its even been

balmy condor
#

but they said they're not doing long final tiers anymore

#

so they lost all that time between expansions

livid folio
subtle tundra
balmy condor
#

that's why amirdrassil was rushed, and then season 4 was garbage, and then war within launch got rushed, and then undermine was super rushed, and then now 11.2 is insano rushed

#

like every patch they just fall behind and behind and behind

quiet oar
#

Season 4

#

was really so bad

brazen pine
#

not to mention all the little random time gated events in the .5 and .7 patches

balmy condor
#

that's the new design yeh

#

it's fomo simulator

hoary remnant
#

Like I feel bad for lots of specs still having tiersets not working

red schooner
#

I hate it uglyassdog

brazen pine
#

gotta keep people on the sub hamster wheel

red schooner
#

Let me just no life what I need to do in a patch and then I can play other games while raid logging

balmy condor
#

fun fact, that was originally the goal with classic and stuff

livid folio
#

But at some point an Executive has to realize that they need to put the foot down and fix their shit right? RIGHT?`

balmy condor
#

but then classic blew up and they realized the overlap in playerbase isn't as much as they thought

quiet oar
red schooner
balmy condor
#

so now instead of having classic offset for players to play during downtime

#

they just have two games

livid folio
balmy condor
#

also reminder that we're getting legion remix later this year

#

what the fuck is that

hoary remnant
red schooner
livid folio
#

Gotta secure those shiny bags

balmy condor
hoary remnant
balmy condor
#

like the original idea was "we release classic, some oldheads come back and maybe get the itch for retail, and we just alternate patch cycles so there's always something to do in wow"

red schooner
#

Then there's SoD which is its own thing

balmy condor
#

and then they got retail players trying classic for a week and hating it

#

and the oldheads just perma play classic

#

so now they just have two playerbases to feed

royal lantern
#

the thing about classic that confuses me is more like

#

when do they "Stop"

#

like, when is it not "classic" anymore

red schooner
#

Classic shadowlands confirmed

royal lantern
#

is it suddenly legion even thought during legion the same guys said that its a bad modern game and they want the good old days back?

balmy condor
royal lantern
#

and then during legion its "BfA with fixed azerite stuff"?

balmy condor
#

if they just do a SoD thing or tweak classic

#

they can legit just re-release classic servers

#

ad nauseum

royal lantern
#

boomer brains man

red schooner
royal lantern
#

give them some nostalgia slop and they will throw money down your throat for the same thing 5x in a row

balmy condor
#

like what, we've had the first classic, the second classic, SoD, classic hardcore?

#

and then the anniversary classic?

red schooner
#

I love classic levelling, it scratches an itch in my brain

balmy condor
#

and legit each one of those releases has been an absolute banger

red schooner
#

I just don't care for the endgame so I hit 60 then relevel

brazen pine
#

I played vanilla 20 years ago when I was in high school. I am way happier with the game as it is now.

hoary remnant
#

I get classic hardcore Leveling

royal lantern
#

tried classic once out of boredoom, in not even 5min people where ranting about THE WOKES in general chat, and i left

#

did all that stuff when it was current content anyway

quiet oar
#

I really a special Place of people

red schooner
grim jay
red schooner
#

But sometimes I just wanna level a character in vanilla and vibe

quiet oar
#

It can be cozy yeah

royal lantern
runic hinge
#

idk how leveling by fearing for my life if i pull 2 mobs at once or having to drink after every mob is cozy but you do you

hoary remnant
brazen pine
#

Oh for sure.

royal lantern
#

and then when classic stuff got destroyed 3min after it released all the time, it immediatly turned into "uhm, actually everyone knows that raids where not the big thing, its about the LEVELING JOURNEY"

while they all spammed scarlet crusade dungeons 24/7 with mage masspulls lol

quiet oar
brazen pine
#

I was only commenting because some of us old heads are actually retail Andys. šŸ™‚

red schooner
royal lantern
hoary remnant
#

This game is for old people. Even the up incommers in the raid scene are like early 20 and in other games they are just teens

royal lantern
#

everyone that is not a teen is old for you? dracthyr_kek

#

thats a wild take tbh

hoary remnant
#

Over 30 for gaming is old

brazen pine
#

I legit beta tested this game.
I remember trying to level on Sargeras and Illidan on release when the game was like a powerpoint.

#

I am. Old.

quiet oar
#

Yes

brazen pine
#

Decrepit.

hoary remnant
#

When the game came out you can run it on xp now we are at 11 šŸ˜…šŸ˜…šŸ˜…

quiet oar
#

I know People

#

that are younger than this game

#

and play thsi game

royal lantern
# hoary remnant Over 30 for gaming is old

ngl, that always felt like Something league of legends players spewed around all the time because their brains go "esport = sport = most football players in their prime are in their early 20's = if you are not in your early 20's you are too old for competitive gaming"

#

with like, 0 facts behind it

royal lantern
brazen pine
#

Meanwhile half of them probably couldn't compete if you took away their adderall.

hoary remnant
odd creek
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
runic hinge
#

i feel like most of us who grew up with nintendos are now adults with pc's

quiet oar
#

I grew up mostly with PS2

#

Thats where i played on as kid

runic hinge
#

i mean yeah, for me the most part too

quiet oar
#

Need for Speed Most wanted

#

My goat

normal mist
#

I grew up with a PC since I was 4, and I was 4 in 1999

quiet oar
#

Imagine being in your thirties

#

couldnt be me, atleast for the next 2-3 years

normal mist
#

It's the same shit as being in your 20s

#

But your body hurts more when you wake up

quiet oar
gaunt sigil
#

I grew up on an original Xbox at 4 playing SSX tricky and NFS underground

quiet oar
#

You are not my real dad

brazen pine
#

Now this conversation is depressing.

#

As an old.

royal lantern
gaunt sigil
#

To be fair she gave it to her brother but

light grove
#

Do we have to refresh rupture/garrote on 2/3 target or just refresh on main target ?

gaunt sigil
#

Guys, I stopped playing mostly S3-S4 DF is it worth coming back to play to do mythic raiding?

red schooner
normal mist
# brazen pine As an old.

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normal mist
gaunt sigil
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Yeah the intent is to CE again

normal mist
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I mean, then coming back for raiding isn't really a question, it's a certainty

gaunt sigil
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I mostly quit cause my guild fucked me S4 DF and had hella issues with S1 early mythic raid prog.

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They had insane expectations going into TWW because we did well in awakened facepalm

red schooner
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Waiting for this to happen to the guild I'm in.

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Did good in Undermine because it was an easier raid

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Waiting for the implosion when we hit a wall kekdog

gaunt sigil
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I got to rank 94 Assa world in 10.2.5 and I wanna get back into top 100 and I feel like getting into a guild will be hell having not really played this expansion

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To be fair like no one played assa then but I still think I could do it again if I had a fair guild behind me too

nova kelp
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oh you quit the last time we were good

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lol

gaunt sigil
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I quit was raging a lot that season over assa with KB parries and downtime during KB

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KB isnā€™t as big anymore though right?

normal mist
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Also can't be parried anymore

nova kelp
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lol what's KB?

gaunt sigil
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I knew that, one of my fav former guild mates sent me a screenshot of the change cause I literally had a WA that would /yell when KB got parried tfw

normal mist
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Kb isn't as huge as it was no

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But still is a thing

nova kelp
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idk if this is a hot take or not
but shadow dance was more fun and cool to engage with as sin/outlaw than it's ever been on sub

gaunt sigil
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Donā€™t tell me we press CT in ST again though

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It was funny but awful to play

normal mist
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In m+ bleed build ya

nova kelp
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it's ok though, because you don't need to use kb at all in the bleed build

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lol

runic hinge
gaunt sigil
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I canā€™t not press KB guys

normal mist
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Bleed build it is

runic hinge
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Hybrid is like the same dps and same build as before

gaunt sigil
nova kelp
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it's pretty easy to not press a button you don't even have

gaunt sigil
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Itā€™s in my name HOLY

nova kelp
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some would argue even when we spec kb it barely matters

gaunt sigil
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Rip, honestly prolly for the best

nova kelp
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it's just a big non buffed envenom that takes a while to tick out

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lol

gaunt sigil
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Dragon tempered blades + KB was genuinely a mistake

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It was fun to hit HUGE KBs but it wasnā€™t healthy for the spec imo

royal lantern
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i mean, KB is no big deal anymore

nova kelp
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we got 30 mill envenoms though

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good news is they CAN be parried

normal kindle
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How s ROgue doing for S3 M+ and Raid ????

gaunt sigil
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Isnā€™t there Envenom clipping now

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I hardly played S1, I felt like they fixed some issues I had but not my main gripes

runic hinge
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Wdym clipping?

normal mist
gaunt sigil
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I ended up playing arms buhFlipExplode

normal mist
normal kindle
gaunt sigil
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The zug life is behind me though, I am not gonna be someone who RPs rogue by just never saying a word yesyesyes

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Yeah ttk

normal mist
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Doesn't matter, most of us don't care about tier list and they are fake :p

nova kelp
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bro, we're more zug life than ever atm

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wee can't even change target

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you literally have to bribe your raid group into working around our limited target switching ability atm

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so you can just zug zug more

red schooner
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Pick target, hit target, don't min Max just hit buttons

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We are pure zug kekdog

gaunt sigil
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Iā€™ve sorta-kinda kept up with the spec but not with the state of the game and raids

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Pure ST is tragic, we donā€™t even tab garrote or anything?

normal mist
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Depends

nova kelp
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you CAN snipe some ruptures on adds

royal lantern
# normal kindle are we like Mid Tier? as usual haha

seems like it

looks lime the same dance rogue has since SL

new tier comes out->sub is more or less the objective best option if you care about that because it can burst important adds down, assa is kinda allright but underwhelming->assa gets aura buffs ->everyone stops playing sub cus its sub

Outlaw eats glue and complains about target caps

nova kelp
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but even then it's just for a tiny bit more energy to zug the actual target with

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lol

gaunt sigil
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Man it used to always be worth to spam spread your dots whenever you could CatAngry_2

normal mist
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Still is

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On bleed build

nova kelp
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so that's actually the saving grace atm on sin

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bleed build is fucking banger

red schooner
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Sudden demise goes ham

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Also yeah I can pretend to be a dot class again which is nice

gaunt sigil
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Swag, I loved bleed build but when I last played the Zerocool build was all the rage in high keys and youā€™d just prio target

red schooner
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Yeah but like, if you're doing under 18s, just play bleed

nova kelp
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bleed build also kinda pisses me off though
it's super fun
but it tricks my guildies into rocking a sin alt, and then COMPLETELY NOT UNDERSTANDING any of my class complaints because of
"idk man I've been playing my rogue a bunch and it's super fun"

red schooner
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Cleave build is only worth it for the high keys

nova kelp
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I'm like fuck off dude, go play your 20 hours on rogue for more than a fucking day, come raid mythic with us instead of playing your ret

red schooner
gaunt sigil
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Yeah I was doing 27s and I had to play cleave all the time

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S3 DF 27s not modern 27s

royal lantern
nova kelp
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and I'm over here like "FUCKING WHAT CD?!"

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WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

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"at least it's a fairly simple spec though..."
MATE, ARE YOU TRYING TO MAKE ME QUIT THE FUCKING GAME?!

royal lantern
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outlaw is simple if you wanna stomp people in +7 keys

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but like

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you stomp them as a prot warrior that spams thunderclap on CD

nova kelp
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this mother fucker is doing 10s and world questing like "man outlaw go pew pew, idk why you don't have fun on class?...???"

red schooner
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Just direct them to the outlaw channel

gaunt sigil
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Bleed specs have always just clicked with me so I stick to bleed specs